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New Rules for HPD/ICE in Houston; Miller and GOP Attack Texas Constitution; Cuba Perseveres - TPN 4/12/26 · The People's News

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  Speaker 1: It's the week of April twelfth, twenty twenty six, and
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  Speaker 1: this is what's on the people's news. Houston City Hall
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  Speaker 1: approves new restrictions on Houston PDE working with ICE. Islamophobia
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  Speaker 1: is real and on display in Texas. The US and
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  Speaker 1: Iran agree for a two week ceasefire, but the Strait
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  Speaker 1: of Hormuz is still closed. More bad news for illegal immigrants.
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  Speaker 1: If the administration has its way, travel to Cuba. Now
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  Speaker 1: it's possible, and now at the time, Hip Hop Pioneer
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  Speaker 1: passes on to the wheels of Steel in the sky.
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  Speaker 1: All that and more on the People's News. I'm Steve Gallington.
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  Speaker 1: This is the people's News, and the People's News starts now.
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  Speaker 1: Houston Mayor John Whitmyer has in recent months it's been
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  Speaker 1: criticized for aligning the city police force with Immigration and
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  Speaker 1: Customs Enforcement, better known as ICE. This week, Houston City
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  Speaker 1: Council voted to change the policies on how HPDE coordinates
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  Speaker 1: with ICE. The ordinance, introduced by council members Alejandra Salinas,
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  Speaker 1: Abby Cayman, and Edward Pollard, was supported by more than
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  Speaker 1: fifty prominent legal, labor, faith and community organizations. Representing tens
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  Speaker 1: of thousands of Houston families. The ordinance will end the
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  Speaker 1: thirty minute waiting rule, cutting down on unnecessary detention and
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  Speaker 1: exposure to ICE during routine stops. It will reinforce constitutional
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  Speaker 1: protections making clear that stops must end when their lawful
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  Speaker 1: purpose ends, not when ICE arrives, and add transparency through
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  Speaker 1: regular public reporting on HPD's interactions with ICE. The policy
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  Speaker 1: that was in place prior to this ordinance was if
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  Speaker 1: a Houston Police officer was to pull over someone on
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  Speaker 1: a non criminal administers of warrant, they were to call ICE.
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  Speaker 1: ICE had thirty minutes to respond after the call. Houston
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  Speaker 1: City Council voted on Tuesday to change the policy twelve
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  Speaker 1: to four, but Friday, HPD Chief of Police No Ideas
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  Speaker 1: sent out a directive saying that officers are to continue
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  Speaker 1: with a thirty minute rule. HPD Executive Chief Thomas Harden
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  Speaker 1: wrote in the email that the new ordinance will need
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  Speaker 1: some adjustments. This comes after a month long fight to
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  Speaker 1: change the policies, with the city working with Ice. City
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  Speaker 1: Council Member at Large District Iour Alejandra Salinas has this
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  Speaker 1: to say after the vote at the Houston City Council.
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  Speaker 2: So today the Houston City Council voted overwhelmingly twelve to
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  Speaker 2: five to pass an ordinance that was proposed by myself
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  Speaker 2: and my Colleagues's council member came in and pollered to
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  Speaker 2: provide more clarity on how HPD cooperates with ICE. The
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  Speaker 2: ordinance has changed two policies for the city. The first,
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  Speaker 2: it eliminates atd's current policy of waiting up to thirty
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  Speaker 2: minutes for ICE to arrive and replaces that with effectively
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  Speaker 2: the fourth Amendment, which says that once the lawful purpose
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  Speaker 2: of the stop ends, the individual has to be let go.
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  Speaker 2: We cannot wait around for ICE for up thirty minutes.
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  Speaker 2: The second piece of the ordinance is rebuilding rebuilding trust
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  Speaker 2: through transparency by having quarterly public reports from the Houston
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  Speaker 2: Police Department about how often they are contacting, ized, the
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  Speaker 2: stops in which they're contacting, ized, the length of the stops,
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  Speaker 2: and whether custody is being handed over to ICE. This
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  Speaker 2: is public reporting that other jurisdictions already do, and it
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  Speaker 2: allows us to understand how our tax dollars are being
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  Speaker 2: used to support ICE operations.
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  Speaker 3: It is going to be affected by the states the
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  Speaker 3: state probably is not for this. As far as I know,
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  Speaker 3: the Texas Governor wanted every city to cooperate with ICE
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  Speaker 3: on every form of that ICE wants, so to speak,
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  Speaker 3: coming into the communities.
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  Speaker 2: Well, under under state law, no city is allowed to
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  Speaker 2: prohibit cooperation with ICE, So we are not prohibiting cooperation
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  Speaker 2: with ICE. All this ordinance is doing is saying that
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  Speaker 2: we're going to follow the Fourth Amendment and we're going
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  Speaker 2: to have public transparency about how often HPD contacts ICE,
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  Speaker 2: and in terms of the Governor and the Attorney General.
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  Speaker 2: Several other Texas jurisdictions have already adopted these policies and
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  Speaker 2: much more, including provision in my original ordinance that would
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  Speaker 2: have given officers discretion to call on administrative warrants. That's
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  Speaker 2: the policy that's been adopted by Bear County and Austin.
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  Speaker 2: Dallas has taken it even farther, and the city attorney
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  Speaker 2: deemed that part of our ordinance unlawful, so we could
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  Speaker 2: not vote on it today, but we plan to continue
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  Speaker 2: to fight and push forward on that. But those cities
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  Speaker 2: have passed those those past changed their policies without issue,
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  Speaker 2: so there's no reason why Houston can't do the same, No.
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  Speaker 3: And it was it was a It was changed because
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people, a lot of organizations pitching the
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  Speaker 3: Latino community, was saying it was racial profiling for the
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  Speaker 3: most part.
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  Speaker 4: When you want to call ices because I'm a brown.
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  Speaker 2: Person, yeah, I can't speak to the reasons why HPD
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  Speaker 2: is calling ice beyond what their policy is set for it.
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  Speaker 2: But now that we will have public reporting, we will
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  Speaker 2: know exactly why those calls are being made.
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  Speaker 4: What is the police chief saying about all this, You'll.
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  Speaker 2: Have to ask him. But I believe that the police
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  Speaker 2: chief wants to follow the law. We have now changed
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  Speaker 2: the law in the city of Houston, and I have
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  Speaker 2: no doubt that the police chief will implement it appropriately.
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  Speaker 4: And when and when this is supposed to go in effect.
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  Speaker 2: When immediately immediately, So I hope the ordinance requires quarterly
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  Speaker 2: reports by the Houston Police Department. I would hope and
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  Speaker 2: expect that they released the first report immediately.
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  Speaker 1: There is no time period set right now on how
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  Speaker 1: long it will take for the new policy we put
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  Speaker 1: in place. The HPD chief has not stated when. Also,
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  Speaker 1: the state Attorney General might weigh in as well. Islamophobia
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  Speaker 1: has taken Texas and other states by storm. Texas officials
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  Speaker 1: Republicans have passed laws banning Sharia law in the state
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  Speaker 1: even though there is no proof of it existing anywhere,
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  Speaker 1: kind of like voter fraud. They also denied a Muslim
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  Speaker 1: community from being built. Also, Muslim schools were excluded from
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  Speaker 1: the state's voucher program care. The Council on American Islamic
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  Speaker 1: Relations were set to be added to the terrorist list
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  Speaker 1: by Texas Republican Governor Greg Abbott, even though it's a
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  Speaker 1: civil rights group. In addition, Railroad Commissioner candidate Bo French
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  Speaker 1: is calling for the deportation of Muslims in the state.
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  Speaker 1: Shaima Zaian with a Council on American Islamic Relations, spoke
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  Speaker 1: during a rally on the Capitol Mall outside the Barbara
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  Speaker 1: Jordan State Office Building, where the State Board of Education meets. Parents, educators,
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  Speaker 1: and community members gathered to oppose proposed changes to the
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  Speaker 1: state social studies curriculum known as the Texas Essential Knowledge
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  Speaker 1: and Skills Ortiques. Two board members, Brandon Hall, a Baptist
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  Speaker 1: pastor from rural North Texas, and Julie Pickren, a small
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  Speaker 1: business owner and home school mom, walked out of the
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  Speaker 1: meeting We talked to Shamiah Risby, who is a civic
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  Speaker 1: engagement organizer with CARE, so.
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  Speaker 5: I can first talk actually about what you actually epic
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  Speaker 5: or epic city, and I know they don't go by
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  Speaker 5: epic city, but like at this point, you know, in
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  Speaker 5: the news, they've been called that because the developers have
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  Speaker 5: connections with the Moss, but they're not, you know, they're
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  Speaker 5: not part of the leadership. They're not making decisions on
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  Speaker 5: behalf of the mosque. These are two separate entities at.
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  Speaker 6: The end of the day.
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  Speaker 5: But in the planned community, just like you know we
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  Speaker 5: have Christian plan communities around churches, there's also Jewish plan
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  Speaker 5: communities as well. The biggest thing I want to emphasize
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  Speaker 5: is that while it is you know, being planned by
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  Speaker 5: a development that is owned by Muslims, it is not
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  Speaker 5: it was ever planning to exclude anyone, and they made
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  Speaker 5: it very clear that everyone was welcome and they would
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  Speaker 5: have an opportunity to you know, be to live there.
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  Speaker 5: Their rights would not be enproached upon. It would just
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  Speaker 5: be also a place for you know, like a Muslim
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  Speaker 5: a plant community where you know, for some's going to
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  Speaker 5: live near the Moss, they'd have a mosque nearby them
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  Speaker 5: if be accessible as well as like other resources.
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  Speaker 3: But once again, it.
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  Speaker 5: Wasn't never it was never meant to undermine the rule
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  Speaker 5: of law or like try to implement another foreign law
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  Speaker 5: or anything.
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  Speaker 4: I say that because different groups are praising what's going on.
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  Speaker 7: As far as this field mongering of Shahara law coming
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  Speaker 7: to Texas. That's been, that's what's been, that's what's been
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  Speaker 7: classed on to rights across the state.
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  Speaker 5: So what I can also say, let me let's be honest, right, like,
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  Speaker 5: the only law that can be followed in the United
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  Speaker 5: States is the Constitution.
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  Speaker 6: The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. At
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  Speaker 6: any moment.
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  Speaker 5: When anyone, regardless of faith, whether.
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  Speaker 6: Muslim or non Muslim, breaks the law, they are subject
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  Speaker 6: to the courts. They are subject to there.
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  Speaker 5: Are repercussions, right like, no one is no one is
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  Speaker 5: above the law.
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  Speaker 6: And you know, a few years.
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  Speaker 5: Ago, Oklahoma tried to do something very similar, like or
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  Speaker 5: twenty almost twenty years ago, passing an anti Sharia phil
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  Speaker 5: and even though it passed and I think the governor
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  Speaker 5: assigned it, it went to the courts, and the courts
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  Speaker 5: has said that this is you know, sorry, can you
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  Speaker 5: hear me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's constitutional something mistaken.
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  Speaker 6: Yes exactly, they're like, it's not, it is unconstitutional.
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  Speaker 4: And also like once again, the US Constitution is.
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  Speaker 6: The supreme law of the land.
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  Speaker 5: There is no evidence of sharia law being practiced a
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  Speaker 5: like any foreign legal system being practiced that and if
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  Speaker 5: it were, it was, again it would the US Constitution
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  Speaker 5: already exists. That's the supreme law of the land. We've
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  Speaker 5: been that's been made clear over centuries by the Supreme courts,
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  Speaker 5: by you know, our law enforcement. So if anyone were
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  Speaker 5: to break the law, they would face sp percussions right
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  Speaker 5: like it is, there are are reprocussions in place. So
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  Speaker 5: this boogeyman of like a foreign law being practiced is
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  Speaker 5: very much a boogieman.
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  Speaker 6: And then you know, specifically, what people.
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  Speaker 5: Are really focusing on when it comes to like.
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  Speaker 6: Quote sharia law is they're like the criminal.
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  Speaker 5: Courts practice of it, what they've seen in other countries,
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  Speaker 5: or what they've heard about in like back in the
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  Speaker 5: day when certain countries have implemented it within their legal system.
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  Speaker 5: But the reality is like sharia law, I mean, sharia
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  Speaker 5: law first off, is like redundant because like sharia does
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  Speaker 5: mean law.
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  Speaker 6: So It's like you're kind of saying chai ti.
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  Speaker 4: When you say Sharia law, because.
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  Speaker 5: You're just saying the same thing but in a different word.
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  Speaker 5: Sharia really is just like a code of ract, like
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  Speaker 5: like a code of practice of the code of ethics
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  Speaker 5: that Muslims are like that Muslims follows, so like praying
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  Speaker 5: five times a day, fasting, giving charity, respecting your neighbor,
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  Speaker 5: that's part of Sharia, right, So you know, there's like
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  Speaker 5: a big misunderstanding of what Sharia is.
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  Speaker 6: But also they see, you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, the pulling out of context of certain situations in
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  Speaker 5: like in Muslim dominated countries or countries that claim to
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  Speaker 5: be Muslim governments but are actually not practicing Islam but
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  Speaker 5: rather you know, doing very suppressive stuff like inside.
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  Speaker 6: The Arabian government, the UAE government.
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  Speaker 5: But under the gods of Islam, but they're not, like
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  Speaker 5: you know, they they're definitely invalidating the Quran.
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  Speaker 6: As they're doing these things.
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  Speaker 5: And then on top of that, under like Shariah, one
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  Speaker 5: of the big actually tendants is that the whatever, whatever government,
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  Speaker 5: whatever land you live on, you.
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  Speaker 8: Are required to follow those rules first and foremost, and.
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  Speaker 5: Specifically when it relates to like the ethics part of it,
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  Speaker 5: like we don't you can't practice any other law, Like it's.
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  Speaker 6: Said that in any neighbors, any country.
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  Speaker 8: Who was back in the day when you know, Islam
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  Speaker 8: was founded and Sharia was you know, being discussed and
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  Speaker 8: stuff like, there were you know, different empires, different governments,
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  Speaker 8: dif colonizations that weren't Muslim, that were a Christian, that
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  Speaker 8: were Jewish, et cetera, that were without religion or religion
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  Speaker 8: and there were.
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  Speaker 5: Muslims that lived in those entities. So they've followed the
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  Speaker 5: law of the land like that has always been a
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  Speaker 5: part of it. So it's like once again this the
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  Speaker 5: fear mongering because it is before in concept that people
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  Speaker 5: don't understand.
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  Speaker 6: It's easy to make it.
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  Speaker 5: Into something that it's not because right then to the
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  Speaker 5: day people don't understand it. So and then like you know,
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  Speaker 5: the Islamophobia industry is one that is very very like
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  Speaker 5: you know, there's evidence you can go look on the
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  Speaker 5: care website or a samophobia dot org where it's documented
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  Speaker 5: that it's all phobias Like actually it's a multimillion dollar industry.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of sorry and just explain that please.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, So, like there are different groups, right, so now
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  Speaker 5: we're seeing just like the Rare foundation that's whole like
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  Speaker 5: goal is to you know, in their eyes, to like
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  Speaker 5: end the Slamic extremism. But if you read any of
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  Speaker 5: the stuff that they talk about, sorry I'm getting gasp
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  Speaker 5: a little loud, it is going above and beyond that.
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  Speaker 5: Like it's not even talk about extremism about everyone. I'm
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  Speaker 5: talking about your Muslims just breathing and existing. So like
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  Speaker 5: they're funded by different groups. I'm trying to remember the
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  Speaker 5: names I can, but like if you book, you'll see,
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  Speaker 5: like I'm checking calophobia dot org and those those you
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  Speaker 5: have the resources on there with more information about exactly
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  Speaker 5: what I'm talking about in terms of like how exactly
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  Speaker 5: there are entities that exist, you know, to push this
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  Speaker 5: kind of propaganda and they get money from it.
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  Speaker 7: What what what kind of you know what I was saying,
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  Speaker 7: in the Middle East, seven times something happens.
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  Speaker 9: We have all these attacks on the Muslims, a mosque,
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  Speaker 9: on the Muslim organizations, and differat has that been happening?
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  Speaker 9: And yeah, yeah that increased.
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  Speaker 6: The No, that definitely has.
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  Speaker 5: Like we've won an emails from you know, random accounts
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  Speaker 5: from extremist folks saying that, like, you know, you're religious
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  Speaker 5: and enemies are gonna die.
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  Speaker 6: We went like d ms on our.
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  Speaker 5: Instagram accounts or Facebook accounts.
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  Speaker 6: Saying this very similar things.
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  Speaker 5: Even on Facebook posts, like on captions or in commons,
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  Speaker 5: there will be very you know, vile threatening things being said.
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  Speaker 6: So it's been yes, there's.
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  Speaker 4: Been definitely hasn't been attached personal attach.
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  Speaker 6: Also, well, yes, yeah, we've been.
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  Speaker 5: I mean then we've been personally attacked, like if you
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  Speaker 5: go look on the Rare Foundation, they've written hit pieces
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  Speaker 5: on me, They've they've written hit pieces on like other
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  Speaker 5: Muslim leaders, even you know, with the same Board of Education.
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  Speaker 5: We've been engaged in the advocacy regarding a fair and
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  Speaker 5: balance you know, for as pay for a fair and
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  Speaker 5: balanced curriculum because right now the Texas standards that they're
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  Speaker 5: considering are incredibly biased towards one faith over others, and
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  Speaker 5: it really blurs the line between the separation of church
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  Speaker 5: and state. So you know, what we've been asking for,
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  Speaker 5: what we've been going to the years is testifying asking
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  Speaker 5: like you please make it more balanced, more nuanced. Can
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  Speaker 5: you please talk to more experts because it's been you know,
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  Speaker 5: brought to light that the groups that have written this
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  Speaker 5: curriculum are behind it, are ideological, let's say Texas Pellic
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  Speaker 5: Quality Foundation.
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  Speaker 6: So you know, we've been testifying.
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  Speaker 5: They're in our care leaders for one shame as the
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  Speaker 5: she's our care Austin operation manager. She's been testifying there
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  Speaker 5: and then as like as few members at least two
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  Speaker 5: of them have been coming after her directly and calling
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  Speaker 5: her a terrorist. And every time you jumps to the
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  Speaker 5: quodium takes the terrorist who thinks she should be deported
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  Speaker 5: and just really.
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  Speaker 6: Vile things, and there are.
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  Speaker 7: Have the effected, I mean, because we haven't they haven't
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  Speaker 7: had the Palestinian movement here in the protests against Israel
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  Speaker 7: and that they have been doing, but they kind of
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  Speaker 7: they kind of they kind of squashed that because of
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  Speaker 7: threats of from a from a Devin there on down
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  Speaker 7: up to the President saying that people are protesting, the
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  Speaker 7: protesting for the Palestinians are terrorists and so and great
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  Speaker 7: in threatening people with taking them out of school and
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  Speaker 7: all types of stuff, scholarships.
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  Speaker 5: And very anti First Amendment at its for.
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  Speaker 6: What we're seeing happening.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, it's been like there's definitely been as continued right, Yes,
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  Speaker 5: like you're right, it's had. There have been attests to
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  Speaker 5: squash it, right, especially in our public schools, and you know,
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  Speaker 5: there's laws that have been passed, like the in the
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  Speaker 5: last legislative session send It built three two six, which
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  Speaker 5: adopts the IHR A definition of anti semitism. And that
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  Speaker 5: definition is infamously known for conslating the critism of the
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  Speaker 5: State of Israel with the anti semitism. So you know
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  Speaker 5: now that that definition is part of it's been implemented
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  Speaker 5: as part of the disciplinary code in k through higher education.
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  Speaker 6: So you know, it's become.
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  Speaker 5: Even more difficult for like students to speak up without
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  Speaker 5: being afraid that they're going to be called anti semitic
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  Speaker 5: when your anti sysystem is real and yet that should
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  Speaker 5: be addressed. But we're seeing that anti actually semiticism isn't
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  Speaker 5: being addressed. Rather any criticism of the State of Israel
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  Speaker 5: is being taken as anti semitism. And yes, therefore students
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  Speaker 5: are being you know, penalized, punished or sim word, but
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  Speaker 5: like suspended, expelled, pulled out, just really afraid to do
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  Speaker 5: as much because of the repercussions they're seeing. And then
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  Speaker 5: also with the campus.
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  Speaker 6: Protests, right, right.
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  Speaker 5: Greg Abbott had done on ute campus, calling DPS on
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  Speaker 5: students exercising. The person I met right protesting. There were
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  Speaker 5: no encampments like you know, nothing being brought up and
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  Speaker 5: even the like, there was no violence protests at all.
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  Speaker 5: Everyone's peacefully, you're chanting, marching, and immediately they were met
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  Speaker 5: with violenced by the state government.
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  Speaker 6: And I think it starts to.
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  Speaker 5: Show exactly how how entrenched our government is. What they
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  Speaker 5: foreign and see as opposed to representing the interests of
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  Speaker 5: the people of Texas. From all across the aisle, I've
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  Speaker 5: talked to people, like when I was at the SBO
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  Speaker 5: we hearing the other day, I talked to people, you
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  Speaker 5: know who are in the far right, and you know,
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: we could see on everything, but actually many of them
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: had agreed, like I don't like what our government is doing.
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: I don't like that they're working with Israeli government to
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: create more wars.
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: We don't like Israeli government.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: We don't agree with them.
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: It's not America first.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: So you know that the tide is definitely shifting. It's
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: becoming more critical across the political spectrum, and you know,
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: it's becoming more and more obvious that there is the
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: accountability to measure and for a foreign government, and we
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: rather give them like for example, our current you know,
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: Controller Kelly Hancock get sent over like two billions in
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: bond particiap billions in bond for Israel and that that
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: money could have been used by invested in our public
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: school's invested intil like very different infrastructures, But.
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: No, it's being sent over to a foreign entity.
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: And we haven't seen any economics, like any real big
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: economics benefits from it. So really it's like it feels
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: like our government has sold itself to the Israeli government,
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: to the top one percent that also have to be
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: very Zionist and anti Muslims. So yeah, we're just you know,
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: we're seeing a lot of hip hox seeds and just
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: like inability to follow like you know, like the laws
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: being approached upon by as the very government that's supposed
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: to be upholding the law.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: That was Shamia Risby with Care, who spoke to the
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Texas Education Board on the new State curriculum on Social Studies.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Care can be contacted at Kerhuston dot com. That's c
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Ai R. Houston put together. The board has until June
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: to come up with final revisions to the curriculum. When
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: a criminal is in the White House, you get a
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: criminal administration, and that criminal Donald Trump attracts the worst
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: corrupt and criminal elements into his administration, which brings us
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: to Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller, who is continuing
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: his campaign against immigrants. He blocked green cards for immigrants
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: needing financial assistance, push for third world countries to accept
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: immigrants awaiting court dates that home countries refuse to take.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Now his latest target, he is talking to Republican Texas
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: lawmakers to end public education for undocumented citizens, in direct
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: violation of the Texas Constitution, which clearly states that public
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: education is a right for all Texans. We talked to
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Katelyncoln Goldfinch, immigration attorney, an owner and CEO of Lincoln
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Goldfinch Law in Austin about the risks to Texans in
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Miller's ideas.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: One of the key members of this is Stephen Miller,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: who is now the White House Chief of Staff, and
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: he has even more victorial ways that he wants to
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: He wants to try to attack immigrants, and one they
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: would have said prisons, is that he's trying in education
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: funding for undocumented children, which correctly I form wrong. That
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: was the right of anybody to go to the public school.
• 20:31
  Speaker 10: That's correct. There's a Supreme Court decision called Siler versus
• 20:35
  Speaker 10: Doe which holds that any child in the United States
• 20:38
  Speaker 10: and off of the United States, regardless of immigration status,
• 20:42
  Speaker 10: can attend public school, and that is long standing precedent,
• 20:46
  Speaker 10: and it is one of the areas of focus of
• 20:50
  Speaker 10: Stephen Miller, who has somewhat shifted his campaign against immigrants
• 20:55
  Speaker 10: in the United States, and he's a senior advisor to
• 20:59
  Speaker 10: the present So what's important about that is that it's
• 21:03
  Speaker 10: not a cabinet level position that requires confirmation by the Senate.
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: So he's very.
• 21:08
  Speaker 10: Behind the scenes and impacts a lot of policies. He's
• 21:13
  Speaker 10: an architect of a lot of policies, and in the
• 21:16
  Speaker 10: first year he was behind a lot of the strong
• 21:19
  Speaker 10: crackdown that we saw that ultimately led to the murders
• 21:22
  Speaker 10: of Renegud and alex Pretty And when now all of
• 21:26
  Speaker 10: that occurred, he sort of shifted tactics. And so he
• 21:29
  Speaker 10: has a similar focus on changing the racial makeup of
• 21:36
  Speaker 10: the United States and targeting the immigrant community, but the
• 21:39
  Speaker 10: ways that he is intending to do that now are
• 21:43
  Speaker 10: slightly different. It's less of a you know, in your
• 21:47
  Speaker 10: face round up with flash grenades and tear gas, and
• 21:51
  Speaker 10: it's more of a attack immigrants in the ways that
• 21:54
  Speaker 10: they live their lives, like attending public school, being able
• 21:58
  Speaker 10: to open bank accounts, have credit cards, you know, just
• 22:02
  Speaker 10: live a normal life. Those are the ways that Steven
• 22:05
  Speaker 10: Miller is planning to go after immigrants.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Now, well, it's kind of beyond me to think that
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: it can get even worser for immigrants or undocumented immigrants
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: in this country, especially in Texas. How is it that
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: he has this He has no experience really an immigration
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: law am I correct on that?
• 22:25
  Speaker 10: Well, he's not an immigration lawyer, but he is obsessed
• 22:28
  Speaker 10: with hurting immigrants, and he spent his time during the
• 22:31
  Speaker 10: Biden administration planning and preparing for another Trump administration, and
• 22:37
  Speaker 10: so he entered the White House with a playbook. And
• 22:40
  Speaker 10: I would say it's actually the contrary is true about
• 22:44
  Speaker 10: Stephen Miller. I think he actually has quite a strong
• 22:47
  Speaker 10: grasp on immigration laws and uses them for an evil purpose.
• 22:52
  Speaker 10: Someone with an understanding like that of the Immigration and
• 22:54
  Speaker 10: Nationality Act, who actually wanted to improve the lives of
• 22:57
  Speaker 10: immigrants could do so many positive things, but the same
• 23:01
  Speaker 10: is true for someone who wants to hurt people, and
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: that is Steven Miller.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and not even now that he's coming, he's coming
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: to different states and trying to trying to get enforcedment
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: even even harder for investment children for the most part.
• 23:15
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean that is one of that is one
• 23:17
  Speaker 10: of his new tactics is to go through the states.
• 23:20
  Speaker 10: And you know where we are in Texas, everyone the
• 23:23
  Speaker 10: leadership of the state of Texas is gleeful in their
• 23:26
  Speaker 10: support of Trump and Stephen Miller, and so things like
• 23:31
  Speaker 10: you know, Greg Abbott turning all of the DPS troopers
• 23:34
  Speaker 10: into essentially immigration agents who arrest thousands of immigrants on
• 23:38
  Speaker 10: protectual traffic stops and disappear them from their families is
• 23:43
  Speaker 10: a push of Stephen Miller. And so he's going into
• 23:46
  Speaker 10: the states and saying, what else can we do? Can
• 23:48
  Speaker 10: we take away housing? Can we take away occupational licenses
• 23:52
  Speaker 10: so that plumbers and electricians, h vac people, construction workers
• 23:57
  Speaker 10: who would require license can no longer have these jobs.
• 24:00
  Speaker 10: Can we you know, shut down bank accounts. Can we
• 24:02
  Speaker 10: take away credit cards? Can we keep immigrant who would
• 24:05
  Speaker 10: otherwise qualify for green cards from getting them? Because we
• 24:09
  Speaker 10: think that they are going to need public assistant, you know,
• 24:13
  Speaker 10: And he's going into the states and getting these ultra
• 24:15
  Speaker 10: conservative states like the State of Texas to pass state laws,
• 24:20
  Speaker 10: and that is that is a tactic that he's utilizing,
• 24:23
  Speaker 10: and I'm sorry to say that. You know, there's a
• 24:25
  Speaker 10: lot of opportunity for him. There are a lot of
• 24:27
  Speaker 10: states that are willing to play ball in that way.
• 24:31
  Speaker 10: And that's another reason why the election coming up is
• 24:35
  Speaker 10: going to be one of the most important ones of
• 24:36
  Speaker 10: our lifetime.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: One thing also that just that was just given the
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: green light is to deport immigrants or undocumented immigrants to
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: third third countries, namely the Democratic Republic Congo. And that's
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: going to divide families even harder because you know, if
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: I or lawyers, if I want to see my client,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: I have to follow away to all the way to
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: the Congo go to see my client.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Hi.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Is that you know any cases now or is depending
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: that that's going to affect I know, it's gonna affect
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: a lot of people if they get the if they
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: start using this on a lot on higher basis.
• 25:15
  Speaker 10: Well, we are averaging close to one hundred thousand people detained.
• 25:18
  Speaker 10: It used to be down to forty thousand, and then
• 25:20
  Speaker 10: early in the Trump administration that doubled and they're only
• 25:22
  Speaker 10: climbing that number, so you could say close to one
• 25:25
  Speaker 10: hundred thousand people could eventually be impacted by what they
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: call third country removals, which is what you're talking about,
• 25:31
  Speaker 10: deportations of people to countries that they don't know, have
• 25:34
  Speaker 10: never been to, in many instances, don't speak the language.
• 25:38
  Speaker 10: And that is definitely a push of Stephen Miller. And
• 25:41
  Speaker 10: you know, the big reason for that is, I mean efficiency.
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: A lot of these people are from countries who won't
• 25:45
  Speaker 10: receive their people back. But a lot of what Stephen
• 25:49
  Speaker 10: Miller does is meant to be punishing and a deterrent effect.
• 25:53
  Speaker 10: It's meant to send a message to immigrants that if
• 25:55
  Speaker 10: you come here, we will support you to some dangerous
• 25:59
  Speaker 10: country that you've never been to. And there's federal litigation
• 26:03
  Speaker 10: about the third country removals that you know, it's changing
• 26:06
  Speaker 10: and morphing a lot. I think the question about whether
• 26:09
  Speaker 10: this is illegal is not ultimately settled, but in the meantime,
• 26:12
  Speaker 10: and this is another tactic of Miller, they push the
• 26:15
  Speaker 10: boundaries of what is legal and they do illegal things
• 26:18
  Speaker 10: until the federal courts step in and say you can't
• 26:22
  Speaker 10: do that anymore. It's illegal. And in the meantime, thousands
• 26:26
  Speaker 10: of people have been harmed, and they've done that repeatedly,
• 26:29
  Speaker 10: and they're doing that again with the third country removals.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: And they slow down on trying to and try to
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: when they have when they when they're caught, they really
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: kind of slow their feet on trying to correct the
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: correct the situations, hoping that the course may or a
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: higher court may ruin their favor.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: That's what I've seen.
• 26:48
  Speaker 10: Yeah, they don't like to be told what to do
• 26:50
  Speaker 10: by the courts, and so they'll resist orders of judges
• 26:55
  Speaker 10: for sure, and definitely appeal. You know, and the majority
• 27:01
  Speaker 10: of federal litigation has not gone the way if the
• 27:04
  Speaker 10: Trump administration. The last time I checked the percentages, that was,
• 27:08
  Speaker 10: you know, close to ninety percent of federal decisions of
• 27:12
  Speaker 10: these sort of boundary pushing policies were decided against the
• 27:16
  Speaker 10: Trump administration. So they're they're losing the overall game in
• 27:22
  Speaker 10: federal court, but they've won a lot of battles and
• 27:24
  Speaker 10: they've hurt a lot of people in the meantime.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: But public public funding, we just passed the voucher program.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Is this is going along in Texas now hasn't worked
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: in a lot of places, but Texas is still one
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: of those places. Is that the valuer program is supposed
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: to be a big thing. How is that going to
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: affect immigrants because of public funding? They're getting public dollars
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: and vouchers, but that was that money is still going
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: to be able to be had by.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Undocumented workers or their family members.
• 27:57
  Speaker 10: You know, that's like a question, Richard. I don't know
• 27:59
  Speaker 10: the answer to the citizenship requirements of the voucher programming.
• 28:03
  Speaker 10: Probably legally immigrant children, undocumented immigrant children would qualify for
• 28:09
  Speaker 10: voucher money because it's part of the public education system,
• 28:13
  Speaker 10: but I don't know that that's been fully tested. I mean,
• 28:16
  Speaker 10: what I would say about vouchers is that this is
• 28:19
  Speaker 10: a direct idea from Project twenty twenty five. From Project
• 28:23
  Speaker 10: twenty twenty.
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: Five pushes for what they call.
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: Educational spending accounts, which is the same thing as vouchers,
• 28:30
  Speaker 10: and the idea is to allow Christian nationalists to control
• 28:35
  Speaker 10: the education of children in this country. And that's why
• 28:40
  Speaker 10: ultimately Texas passed the voucher system, and the result of
• 28:43
  Speaker 10: that is an erosion of the public school system and
• 28:47
  Speaker 10: funding for the public school system, and the people who
• 28:50
  Speaker 10: are most harmed by an erosion of the public school
• 28:53
  Speaker 10: system are disenfranchised and low income communities, which often not
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: all but often overlaps with immigrant and especially in documented
• 29:04
  Speaker 10: immigrant community. So I would say the voucher program has
• 29:08
  Speaker 10: you know, maybe not a direct but a very close
• 29:11
  Speaker 10: to direct impact on the education of immigrant children in
• 29:15
  Speaker 10: Texas definitely.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: And also Miller Millias are asking for state and local
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: enforcement of officers to go out and treat pretty much
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: through immigration law. So that means does that mean that
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: their budget is going to increase paid for by the
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: federal government to do these extra work, and even hospitals
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: to do the same, because the hospitals are now being
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: being targeted as far as funding goes, if you don't
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: cooperate with us, we will cut your funding. So is
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: extra money or extra funding going to these hospitals and local.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: Communities for police communities.
• 29:49
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that's those are two different issues related to funding.
• 29:53
  Speaker 10: So local law enforcement enacting immigration laws is another one
• 29:57
  Speaker 10: of these efforts. Of course, a project twenty twenty five
• 30:00
  Speaker 10: and Steven Miller and it's you know, Texas has been
• 30:03
  Speaker 10: ground zero for that. I'm an immigration lawyer in Texas
• 30:06
  Speaker 10: and I've been tracking the numbers of the detained cases
• 30:09
  Speaker 10: we've received, and more than half of the people who
• 30:11
  Speaker 10: have called us in the last year were picked up
• 30:14
  Speaker 10: by DPS after a traffic stop. So it's the main
• 30:17
  Speaker 10: way that people immigrants in Texas are getting detained. And
• 30:21
  Speaker 10: there is federal money that flows to the agencies that
• 30:26
  Speaker 10: enact these two eighty seven g agreements. The fuds do
• 30:31
  Speaker 10: pay money, but not enough. Most of the local law
• 30:34
  Speaker 10: enforcement leadership who weighs in on this stuff say, we
• 30:37
  Speaker 10: don't actually have the resources and the funding, and any
• 30:40
  Speaker 10: grants that we might get would not cover it. There's
• 30:43
  Speaker 10: pretty strong resistance for the most part by local law enforcement. Now,
• 30:47
  Speaker 10: the other question about hospital funding is different. You know,
• 30:51
  Speaker 10: healthcare funding can be really complicated, especially when you talk
• 30:54
  Speaker 10: about Medicare and Medicaid and all of that from the
• 30:58
  Speaker 10: federal to the state. But what's happening in the state
• 31:01
  Speaker 10: of Texas mostly is a crackdown on information and a surveillance,
• 31:06
  Speaker 10: an attempt at surveiling people who are getting medical care
• 31:11
  Speaker 10: in the state of Texas, and that can look like
• 31:13
  Speaker 10: Greg Abbas executive order directing hospitals that receive any type
• 31:18
  Speaker 10: of public funding to ask every patient about their immigration
• 31:22
  Speaker 10: status without informing those patients that they don't have to answer.
• 31:25
  Speaker 10: So there's a lot of pushback and resistance to immigrants
• 31:29
  Speaker 10: receiving health care. But I think it's important to note
• 31:31
  Speaker 10: that every economic study of any respectable organization has found
• 31:39
  Speaker 10: that despite the fact that immigrants who are undocumented can
• 31:43
  Speaker 10: go to public school and can receive emergency healthcare, that
• 31:46
  Speaker 10: they are benefit to the economy at every level of government,
• 31:51
  Speaker 10: at local level, at the city level, the county level,
• 31:54
  Speaker 10: the state level, the federal level. And so I just
• 31:57
  Speaker 10: want to caution anybody listening and think like, oh, well,
• 32:01
  Speaker 10: maybe this stuff is reasonable because immigrants are taking resources.
• 32:04
  Speaker 10: Immigrants pay property taxes whether they rent our own, They
• 32:08
  Speaker 10: pay sales tax, which is the primary vehicle for taxation
• 32:11
  Speaker 10: in the state of Texas. They pay employment taxes, and
• 32:15
  Speaker 10: many of them pay into the Social Security system without
• 32:17
  Speaker 10: ever taking that money out upon retirement. So ultimately, immigrants
• 32:21
  Speaker 10: pay more in taxes than they receive. And that is
• 32:24
  Speaker 10: street data and statistics.
• 32:26
  Speaker 11: It's not for.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Someone that was Kate Lincoln Goldfinch, immigration attorney and owner
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: and CEO of Lincoln Goldfinch Law in Austin, Texas.
• 32:36
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• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. The ceasefire in the Middle East as
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: of Friday, is hanging on by the thinnest of threads.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Israeli missiles still are falling in Lebanon as well as
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Hesibal of firing back, and Iran continues to keep a
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: lid on the Strait of hor moves. With Iran and
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: the United States facing off again and with no results
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: from JD Vance's negotiations with Iran, what happens now? We
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: talk to Professor Alan Sanders, who's an attorney, former Time
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Magazine senior reporter, and professor emeritus of political science at
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Saint Peter's University in Jersey City.
• 33:44
  Speaker 12: Well, right now, we have a temporary ceasefire, and it's
• 33:47
  Speaker 12: a fragile cy Spire hostilities haven't quite stopped. There are
• 33:50
  Speaker 12: reports of ongoing hostilities.
• 33:52
  Speaker 13: So it's not.
• 33:52
  Speaker 12: Clear when this ceasefire will fully go into effect, but
• 33:56
  Speaker 12: presumably it will. But what we really don't know is
• 34:00
  Speaker 12: what the positions of each side really is. There're going't
• 34:03
  Speaker 12: to be negotiations that start on Friday. Right now, we
• 34:06
  Speaker 12: have basically a PR assessment by it both sides and
• 34:10
  Speaker 12: making PR announcements about what they want in a deal,
• 34:13
  Speaker 12: what there is in the deal.
• 34:15
  Speaker 13: But I wouldn't go by whatever the headlines and.
• 34:17
  Speaker 12: The pr'll actually say. I think you really have to
• 34:20
  Speaker 12: look at the underlying power dynamics of how this war
• 34:24
  Speaker 12: has gone and how it is likely to go in
• 34:27
  Speaker 12: the future if it's resumed. That's what you really need
• 34:30
  Speaker 12: to know about the Middle East, the underlying power dynamics,
• 34:32
  Speaker 12: And we don't know that right now. Have they changed
• 34:34
  Speaker 12: and to whose advantage have they changed? If they have changed,
• 34:37
  Speaker 12: we won't know that for a while until we know that. Really,
• 34:41
  Speaker 12: what you hear from pundits and what you hear from
• 34:43
  Speaker 12: the PR people for both sides, and really what you
• 34:46
  Speaker 12: hear from members of Congress as well, doesn't count very much.
• 34:50
  Speaker 12: People are using their talking points and that's what they're
• 34:54
  Speaker 12: proclaiming to the world. But you really have to know
• 34:57
  Speaker 12: what happened, and for that we'll have away for some
• 35:00
  Speaker 12: assessment military assessment from the people who do that.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: The dark horse and all this is Israel who said.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: That this new fifteen point tend has nothing to do
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: with them.
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: They will not.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: They will continue to attacks.
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: On Lebanon on southern levelone, that is, and and they
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: can continue attacking Iran. So if they keep doing this,
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: it's going to delibrate the seats fire, just like they
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: have to think Gazza.
• 35:23
  Speaker 12: Well who no, but you know it takes two sides.
• 35:25
  Speaker 12: Has Belah and Hamas can continued to attack against Israel's
• 35:29
  Speaker 12: It's not just Israel that's continued to attack.
• 35:31
  Speaker 13: There have been on both sides.
• 35:32
  Speaker 12: So and the issues there are slightly different from the
• 35:37
  Speaker 12: issues of the war in Irando. Obviously they are related
• 35:41
  Speaker 12: the deal. And again we don't know what the deal
• 35:45
  Speaker 12: actually says, but there are reports that say that it
• 35:47
  Speaker 12: does not cover Israel's conflict with Hasbelah and Hamas and
• 35:52
  Speaker 12: all the other terrorist groups that have targeted Israel since
• 35:55
  Speaker 12: time immemorial. So we don't know for sure whether that's true,
• 35:59
  Speaker 12: but the reports are that it does not cover that
• 36:01
  Speaker 12: part of the conflict. Again, there are reports that say
• 36:03
  Speaker 12: the contrary. So what you really have right now that
• 36:05
  Speaker 12: I say is everybody's talking points are out there, the
• 36:09
  Speaker 12: pr is out there. But what the actual deal is,
• 36:13
  Speaker 12: if there is a deal, and what deal will be
• 36:16
  Speaker 12: once there are negotiations that go on is anyone's guests.
• 36:19
  Speaker 13: So right now we're kind of in a no man's land.
• 36:21
  Speaker 12: It seems to be that most of the conflict has stopped,
• 36:25
  Speaker 12: at least temporarily. We don't know what exactly is the
• 36:28
  Speaker 12: situation with the Straits of Hormuz. Are they open, are
• 36:32
  Speaker 12: they not open, or a they're going to be opened
• 36:33
  Speaker 12: under certain conditions.
• 36:35
  Speaker 13: We're in a really.
• 36:36
  Speaker 12: Gray area right now, and we'll need really some days
• 36:38
  Speaker 12: to figure out what's going on.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: And when when will they be open?
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: Because the fifteen Algaeerra was important today, the fifteen point Planet,
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: it was stated that from the Algazeera was stating that
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: it said that the straits will be opened immediately.
• 36:55
  Speaker 12: Well, even if the straits are open immediately, that the
• 36:57
  Speaker 12: oil prices are going to go down terribly fast either
• 37:01
  Speaker 12: because let's understand that during the course of this conflict,
• 37:04
  Speaker 12: oil facilities and petroleum facilities have been hit in around
• 37:08
  Speaker 12: and they've been hit also in the other Arab states
• 37:11
  Speaker 12: by Terran, So there's we need some assessment of what
• 37:15
  Speaker 12: has actually been damaged and how serious is it damage
• 37:18
  Speaker 12: to the oil infrastructure of the Gulf region. So even
• 37:21
  Speaker 12: infistrates we're open tomorrow, it doesn't mean that the price
• 37:24
  Speaker 12: of oil would go down or that oil shippment through
• 37:27
  Speaker 12: the state of Foremus would resume to what it was
• 37:29
  Speaker 12: before the war. So again we're in this no man's
• 37:33
  Speaker 12: land where people are making all kinds of pronouncements, but
• 37:36
  Speaker 12: we don't really know what the underlying facts are or
• 37:39
  Speaker 12: what the underlying power dynamics are of this conflict right now?
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: Are they going to continue? Even in the sting was open,
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: the US was saying that they.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Could they could ship oil to the European countries just
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: as fast as the straight at the Little East releasing
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: countries can the tire and et cetera.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Is that possible or is this talking?
• 38:02
  Speaker 12: Well, I think right now it's really just talking. If
• 38:04
  Speaker 12: you really want to solve the oil crisis, you know,
• 38:07
  Speaker 12: which has been exacerbated by the Straits of foremones.
• 38:10
  Speaker 13: What you really want to do is go towards renewable energy.
• 38:13
  Speaker 12: And you know, get out of the dependence of oil
• 38:18
  Speaker 12: from the Middle East. Now that's something that the president,
• 38:20
  Speaker 12: President Trump has not done. He's actually tried to shut
• 38:23
  Speaker 12: down as much as possible alternative sources of energy, which
• 38:26
  Speaker 12: really does not serve the US strategic interest very much.
• 38:30
  Speaker 12: We need to get away from oil, both because of
• 38:32
  Speaker 12: its polluting effects and its effect on climate change, but
• 38:35
  Speaker 12: we also need to move away from it because why
• 38:37
  Speaker 12: do we need to rely on that part of the
• 38:39
  Speaker 12: world for energy needs when there are other sources that
• 38:41
  Speaker 12: could be developed that would remove our dependence on this
• 38:44
  Speaker 12: very violatile region. Somebody needs to talk to the president
• 38:47
  Speaker 12: and explain to him that it would be in the
• 38:49
  Speaker 12: US strategic interest to really stop relying on the Straits
• 38:52
  Speaker 12: of Homus and the oil that goes through there.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Were you surprised last night when when it was a
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: seasfire or you already bought it, you know something was
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: in the mix.
• 39:03
  Speaker 13: No, I was not surprised.
• 39:04
  Speaker 12: I mean, what could not have been surprised if the
• 39:06
  Speaker 12: conflict had gone on either. The point is it's very
• 39:08
  Speaker 12: hard to determine any truthfulness in the president's statements in
• 39:12
  Speaker 12: recent days, particularly in recent days, it's the credibility of
• 39:16
  Speaker 12: the president, the credibility of his administration on a whole
• 39:18
  Speaker 12: host of issues, including this conflict, is at an all
• 39:21
  Speaker 12: time low.
• 39:22
  Speaker 13: So was I surprised that he backed down.
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: No?
• 39:25
  Speaker 12: Would I have been surprised if he continued. No, because
• 39:27
  Speaker 12: it's very hard to know what the president really thinks
• 39:29
  Speaker 12: and what his administration really believes, since the statements about
• 39:33
  Speaker 12: this war have been contradictory from the outset, but that
• 39:35
  Speaker 12: has been true about a whole host of issues, not
• 39:38
  Speaker 12: just this conflict. The credibility of the administration is really
• 39:41
  Speaker 12: at an all time low. And really what you really
• 39:44
  Speaker 12: need to pay attention is to what he actually does
• 39:46
  Speaker 12: and what his cabinet actually does, not what they say.
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: When looked at this beforehand, when we looked at I
• 39:56
  Speaker 7: mean we looked at this beforehand, and it was funny
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: because somebody should have could have told the president or
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: his staff that, you know, the straits.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Were there, and Iran, Iran has A has a tight
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: knit on that little little canal that goes through and
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: also only one ship at a time.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: Why wasn't that picked up as far as the intelligence
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: earlier on, that's.
• 40:17
  Speaker 13: A good question. I think it was picked up by intelligence.
• 40:19
  Speaker 12: I think the intelligence people know the importance, strategic importance
• 40:22
  Speaker 12: of the Strait of hor Moos.
• 40:23
  Speaker 13: It's not clear that the.
• 40:24
  Speaker 12: Presence or his political advisors know or understand that fully. Clearly,
• 40:28
  Speaker 12: the Straits of horor Moves is the leverage point that
• 40:31
  Speaker 12: Iran has over the world, not just the United States,
• 40:34
  Speaker 12: but over the world. And any look at any military
• 40:37
  Speaker 12: action against Iran would have looked at what is the
• 40:40
  Speaker 12: Strait of horror Moves going to look like during and
• 40:43
  Speaker 12: after a military conflict? What will Iran do there? What
• 40:46
  Speaker 12: are the possibilities for it to sabotage shipment through the
• 40:49
  Speaker 12: Strait of horor Moves. That's a well known, uh threat,
• 40:54
  Speaker 12: well known situation, I should say, and I'm sure the
• 40:57
  Speaker 12: intelligent people knew that. It's not clear to me that
• 41:00
  Speaker 12: the president or his political advisors fully understood the leverage
• 41:04
  Speaker 12: point that Iran has over those straits.
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: And I keep hearing regime change and if nothing else
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: has made the regime even stronger.
• 41:13
  Speaker 12: Well, we don't know that because are talking points from
• 41:16
  Speaker 12: a lot of people. You really look at, why are
• 41:17
  Speaker 12: the underlying political dynamics. I mean, yes, the Ayatola regime
• 41:22
  Speaker 12: is still there, how strong is it? What parts of
• 41:25
  Speaker 12: it have been weakened? What are its intelligence capacity? Why
• 41:28
  Speaker 12: are the projection powers across the region? We don't know that.
• 41:33
  Speaker 12: Has there been regime change, no, not in the sense
• 41:36
  Speaker 12: that we have a democratic state of Iran. But what
• 41:39
  Speaker 12: we really need to assess it not so much do
• 41:41
  Speaker 12: we have a different opposition group and control there, but
• 41:44
  Speaker 12: what are the power dynamics. What are the power capacities
• 41:47
  Speaker 12: of that regime, both over its own people and also
• 41:50
  Speaker 12: in projecting that power across the region across the world.
• 41:53
  Speaker 12: And again, we don't know that, and anybody who tells
• 41:56
  Speaker 12: you that we know what that is is really to
• 42:00
  Speaker 12: relying on a talking point that needs to be really
• 42:02
  Speaker 12: assessed critically. And I would hope that the intelligence people
• 42:05
  Speaker 12: in the United States and the intelligence people around the world,
• 42:08
  Speaker 12: in all the countries that are affected by Iranian terrorism
• 42:11
  Speaker 12: would do that analysis and understand what are the power
• 42:14
  Speaker 12: projections of the regimes such as it is, because again,
• 42:18
  Speaker 12: Iran is not just a regime that influences the Middle East.
• 42:24
  Speaker 12: It influences countries around the world because of its oil
• 42:27
  Speaker 12: and because of its terrorist proxies.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: That was Professor Alan Sanders. He is an attorney, former
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Time Magazine senior reporter, and Professor Emeritas of Political Science
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: at Saint Peter's University in Jersey City. Cuba has been
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: under sanctions and blockades from the United States for almost
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: seventy years. Recently, that blockade has been strengthened by the
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: US cutting off all oil to the country. Countries doing
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: business with Cuba have been forced to cut ties with
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: the island or face high tariffs and other barriers. In
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: spite of all of this, Cuban's on the island. They
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: are surviving. The travel industry there is still open and
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: people are coming back to the island. We talked to
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Sarah Ragaza with the Cuban Adventures, a Cuban tour operator.
• 43:17
  Speaker 11: My name is Sarah Arazaga and I work with Cuban Adventures,
• 43:20
  Speaker 11: a Cuba tour operator.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: Right we hear.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: We hear on other channels about Cuba being the country's
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: falling apart and is say it's not a not a
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: place to go, It's gonna you know, the administration now
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: wants the regime change.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: What did you see when you down.
• 43:50
  Speaker 11: I mean, Cuba have been struggling for years, particularly since
• 43:54
  Speaker 11: the COVID pandemic. So in terms of like is every
• 44:00
  Speaker 11: falling apart, Yes, Cuba is going through a pretty horrific
• 44:04
  Speaker 11: economic crisis, an energy crisis, and yes, the US has
• 44:09
  Speaker 11: been particularly aggressive during the Trump administration in trying to
• 44:16
  Speaker 11: essentially force the regime change in Cuba. But for a traveler,
• 44:22
  Speaker 11: for a visitor with some know how, it's not significantly
• 44:26
  Speaker 11: different because what you see in the news is telling
• 44:29
  Speaker 11: only one side of the story, and that's all the
• 44:34
  Speaker 11: doom and gloom stuff. But what it's not really communicating
• 44:39
  Speaker 11: is that there's a whole like private sector that's popped
• 44:45
  Speaker 11: up in Cuba in the recent years. And that private
• 44:47
  Speaker 11: sector not only it not only serves the Cuban people,
• 44:52
  Speaker 11: but it serves tourism as well, and it's actually very
• 44:55
  Speaker 11: important to the private sector's survival that Cuba has some tourism.
• 45:00
  Speaker 11: So going there personally, I mean, as long as you
• 45:04
  Speaker 11: know what you're doing, it's not like it's still really enjoyable,
• 45:08
  Speaker 11: Like I ate at really good restaurants. I did a
• 45:12
  Speaker 11: couple of day tours that were really fascinating. The people
• 45:17
  Speaker 11: there were so welcoming and really kind, but they definitely
• 45:23
  Speaker 11: want people to come. Even I talked to a few
• 45:26
  Speaker 11: people who don't work with tourists, and I said, like,
• 45:30
  Speaker 11: what do you think should people come right now? Or
• 45:34
  Speaker 11: you know, is that making life harder for the locals
• 45:38
  Speaker 11: in some way? And they were like, no, like tell
• 45:40
  Speaker 11: them to come, tell them to experience this. And you know,
• 45:44
  Speaker 11: a couple of places, well, most of the places I went.
• 45:48
  Speaker 11: When I would leave, they would say, please tell people
• 45:51
  Speaker 11: to come, because what we're talking about now is hotels
• 45:55
  Speaker 11: at like six percent or less. Capacity. Now, I wouldn't
• 45:59
  Speaker 11: necessarily recommend staying in hotels when there's a lot of
• 46:03
  Speaker 11: like private accommodations that go directly more directly to the
• 46:10
  Speaker 11: Cuban people. But either way, I think, as long again,
• 46:16
  Speaker 11: as long as you know what you're doing, Cuba is
• 46:19
  Speaker 11: still a really wonderful place to visit. And I've had
• 46:21
  Speaker 11: such a great time.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: What do you mean by you say know what you're doing?
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: And I don't understand that one.
• 46:27
  Speaker 11: Okay, okay, Yeah, So in regards to the blackouts, it
• 46:35
  Speaker 11: depends on where you stay, right because Cuba has been
• 46:37
  Speaker 11: experiencing blackouts again, at least for the last four years longer,
• 46:41
  Speaker 11: but they've gotten really bad in the last four years.
• 46:45
  Speaker 11: But the difference now is that now they're affecting Havana,
• 46:49
  Speaker 11: whereas before it wasn't affecting Havana. But in the provinces
• 46:54
  Speaker 11: people have been dealing with this, so they've already adapted,
• 46:58
  Speaker 11: they've already got alternate sources of power. Well, now that
• 47:01
  Speaker 11: Havana is experiencing it too, they're starting to adapt. They're
• 47:05
  Speaker 11: starting to get solar and generators and things like that.
• 47:09
  Speaker 11: And so depending on where you stay, if you're really
• 47:14
  Speaker 11: worried about the power situation, number one, you could stay
• 47:17
  Speaker 11: in Old Havana or in a place where the circuits
• 47:19
  Speaker 11: are underground excuse me, and the the causes will be
• 47:23
  Speaker 11: able to tell you, you know, the places you stay
• 47:27
  Speaker 11: will be able to tell you, you know, what the power
• 47:30
  Speaker 11: situation is like. But aside from that, if you're in
• 47:34
  Speaker 11: a place, so for example, outside of Old Havanah and Vidada,
• 47:38
  Speaker 11: which is another popular tourist neighborhood, you you just you know,
• 47:45
  Speaker 11: ask them if they have a generator or battery backup,
• 47:48
  Speaker 11: because with that it's really not a big deal. You have,
• 47:52
  Speaker 11: you know, power to run the fans and and you
• 47:56
  Speaker 11: know lighting sources, and I would bring my own lighting
• 48:00
  Speaker 11: source just in case, but that doesn't take up very
• 48:03
  Speaker 11: much room in your luggage, and you could always donate
• 48:06
  Speaker 11: it at the end of the trip, which is a
• 48:07
  Speaker 11: really nice thing to do. In terms of food, I
• 48:11
  Speaker 11: mean all these things you see in the news. You
• 48:15
  Speaker 11: know there's no food in Cuba. That's completely not true.
• 48:19
  Speaker 11: There is food in Cuba, it's just too expensive for
• 48:23
  Speaker 11: most Cubans to afford. And also the Cubans who are
• 48:30
  Speaker 11: dependent on the government, those are the ones that don't
• 48:33
  Speaker 11: have enough food because the government doesn't have money and
• 48:38
  Speaker 11: so it cannot provide for its citizens, which is why,
• 48:42
  Speaker 11: you know, the private sector has become so important. So
• 48:45
  Speaker 11: the private sector, there's like tons of restaurants. There's actually more,
• 48:50
  Speaker 11: there's more to buy these states than I've ever seen before.
• 48:55
  Speaker 11: Like it actually blows my mind sometimes how much is available.
• 49:01
  Speaker 11: The restaurants are fantastic. Again, you might want to like
• 49:04
  Speaker 11: ask for, you know, recommendation somewhere to eat, but you
• 49:08
  Speaker 11: can find like international standard restaurants not just of Cuban food,
• 49:13
  Speaker 11: but of like different kinds of food around the world,
• 49:16
  Speaker 11: Middle Eastern food, Chinese food, all kinds of options available
• 49:22
  Speaker 11: and really good quality. And these places tend to run
• 49:26
  Speaker 11: off of again, alternative power supplies, so even when the
• 49:30
  Speaker 11: power is out, you're still out there eating in restaurants.
• 49:34
  Speaker 11: In terms of entertainment, yes, that has somewhat been affected,
• 49:38
  Speaker 11: like museums may not be open as many hours as
• 49:42
  Speaker 11: they were before, But it's really not that big of
• 49:45
  Speaker 11: a deal. I think for anybody who wants to go
• 49:47
  Speaker 11: to Cuba or or who has always wanted to go
• 49:50
  Speaker 11: to Cuba, now it's actually as good a time as any.
• 49:54
  Speaker 11: I mean, I think that people, oh, go ahead.
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: I was just saying, because.
• 50:04
  Speaker 7: What would be the difference because they always was told that,
• 50:08
  Speaker 7: you know, you need to go to Cuba right now
• 50:10
  Speaker 7: before the change, and I think the change they're talking
• 50:13
  Speaker 7: about is when but the still ran the country?
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: Is that what they?
• 50:19
  Speaker 13: Yeah?
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: So oh yeah?
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: And also the who's running the business?
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: I'm hearing the private business are being funded by the US.
• 50:32
  Speaker 11: The private businesses are usually getting their funding by Cubans
• 50:36
  Speaker 11: in the daspora, so they're usually the majority of the
• 50:40
  Speaker 11: money is usually coming from people who live outside of
• 50:45
  Speaker 11: Cuba who are sending money to their families or probably
• 50:49
  Speaker 11: there's some you know some companies that are investing in
• 50:52
  Speaker 11: Cuban businesses. But the impression I get, well, I can't
• 50:56
  Speaker 11: say for certain. The impression I get is the majority
• 50:58
  Speaker 11: of it is coming uh from people outside of the
• 51:03
  Speaker 11: country supporting, you know, their their endeavors of their loved ones.
• 51:10
  Speaker 11: So it's not it's not it's not generating the income
• 51:13
  Speaker 11: for these businesses or the Sorry, the the investments for
• 51:18
  Speaker 11: these businesses is not generally coming domestically. It's coming from outside,
• 51:22
  Speaker 11: not necessarily the US government, although the US government is
• 51:26
  Speaker 11: definitely supportive of these private businesses, which if I might say, like,
• 51:34
  Speaker 11: oh go ahead, no, go ahead, go ahead, sorry, I
• 51:38
  Speaker 11: would say, you know how people have always been afraid
• 51:41
  Speaker 11: to go to Cuba because they're afraid that it's not legal.
• 51:44
  Speaker 11: And by people, I mean you know people living in
• 51:46
  Speaker 11: the US. They've always been afraid to visit because they
• 51:50
  Speaker 11: think it's not legal. I would actually say, now is
• 51:53
  Speaker 11: the time when it's been more legal than ever, not
• 51:56
  Speaker 11: because the laws have changed, but because Rubio Marco Rubia,
• 52:00
  Speaker 11: the Secretive State who's in charge of the whole Cuba policy,
• 52:04
  Speaker 11: he has very like vocally shown his support for the
• 52:10
  Speaker 11: private sector in Cuba. And that's what the legal tourism
• 52:16
  Speaker 11: from the US, that's what that's the sector that it supports.
• 52:21
  Speaker 11: So you have essentially been given confirmation that yes, it's
• 52:25
  Speaker 11: okay to go to Cuba and travel under the general
• 52:28
  Speaker 11: license for support for the Cuban people, and you know,
• 52:31
  Speaker 11: stay in these privately owned accommodations and eat in these
• 52:33
  Speaker 11: privately owned restaurants, and hire you know, privately owned or
• 52:37
  Speaker 11: higher guides who are you know, essentially working in the
• 52:40
  Speaker 11: private sector. And you can do all of these things,
• 52:44
  Speaker 11: which makes for a really fun vacation and an also
• 52:47
  Speaker 11: really educational experience. And you can have comfort now that
• 52:52
  Speaker 11: you're one hundred percent doing what the US has allowed,
• 52:56
  Speaker 11: because as long as you're supporting this sector, this is
• 52:59
  Speaker 11: the sector that the US would like to protect and
• 53:02
  Speaker 11: to grow, which is why, as you know, as antagonistic
• 53:07
  Speaker 11: as things have gotten between the US and Cuba, you
• 53:10
  Speaker 11: have not seen the US eliminate the commercial flights like
• 53:14
  Speaker 11: they did in Trump's first term. You have not seen
• 53:18
  Speaker 11: them change the laws of legal travel. You know, essentially
• 53:25
  Speaker 11: since Trump's first term that support for the Cuban people
• 53:28
  Speaker 11: general License has been around and virtually untouched. So I
• 53:34
  Speaker 11: think in terms of legality. Now is probably the best
• 53:37
  Speaker 11: time to go in terms of like what you were
• 53:39
  Speaker 11: mentioning before about how people are saying go to Cuba
• 53:43
  Speaker 11: before it changes. Well, right now, Cuba, in my opinion,
• 53:47
  Speaker 11: has reached a point where it has to change. Not
• 53:51
  Speaker 11: only is it under this immense pressure from the United States,
• 53:55
  Speaker 11: but also from within. The people are very dissatisfied with
• 54:00
  Speaker 11: their government. So the Cuban government it can't stay. It
• 54:08
  Speaker 11: hasn't done what it needs to do to protect its citizens,
• 54:13
  Speaker 11: and now people are fed up. So yeah, I do
• 54:17
  Speaker 11: see that there's going to have to be a big,
• 54:19
  Speaker 11: huge change in the Cuban government structure. Whatever that is,
• 54:26
  Speaker 11: I don't know, but there's gonna be some chang And
• 54:32
  Speaker 11: if you talk to people in Cuba, buy and large
• 54:34
  Speaker 11: what they told me, like almost everybody said this, like
• 54:38
  Speaker 11: whatever happens just needs to happen now, and hopefully it
• 54:42
  Speaker 11: will be for the best. But they can't live in
• 54:44
  Speaker 11: this like you know, purgatory where they don't know what's happening.
• 54:50
  Speaker 11: They can't move on. It's a really hard place to be.
• 54:54
  Speaker 11: And that's why, you know, I think that this period
• 54:57
  Speaker 11: is you know, one of the hardest things Huban history,
• 55:01
  Speaker 11: just because there's this uncertainty that and that's what that's
• 55:05
  Speaker 11: what's really doing people in in terms of their emotional state,
• 55:10
  Speaker 11: in terms of their ability to survive.
• 55:15
  Speaker 7: When you talk about how to get there now, I mean,
• 55:17
  Speaker 7: is is it basically now just get on a plane
• 55:20
  Speaker 7: and go with Cubo.
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: You still got to get a visa or something.
• 55:24
  Speaker 11: Yeah, so Cuba requires a visa no matter what country
• 55:28
  Speaker 11: you're from. Pretty much all you know you have to
• 55:30
  Speaker 11: get a visa, but it's so easy. You do it online.
• 55:33
  Speaker 11: They email you in number, and then when you fill
• 55:35
  Speaker 11: in the Custins and Immigration form, which you can do
• 55:40
  Speaker 11: starting at six days before you arrive. When you fill
• 55:44
  Speaker 11: that form in, you validate your visa and then it's
• 55:47
  Speaker 11: just one QR code that you have to bring. So
• 55:50
  Speaker 11: it costs the visa depending on how you purchase it.
• 55:53
  Speaker 11: It costs anywhere from thirty to one hundred dollars and
• 55:59
  Speaker 11: you'll have it in a minute. So if you wanted
• 56:01
  Speaker 11: to go to Cuba tomorrow, you could do that. And
• 56:06
  Speaker 11: then for the flights, the airlines that are still serving
• 56:11
  Speaker 11: Cuba are American Airlines, Delta Airlines, and Southwest. So if
• 56:17
  Speaker 11: you're flying any of those airlines, you're going to have
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  Speaker 11: to go through Florida. Southwest flies from Tampa, American and
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  Speaker 11: Delta fly through Miami. But if you're in California, for example,
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  Speaker 11: you have the option also to go via Mexico if
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  Speaker 11: that's the itinerary that works best for you. But you
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  Speaker 11: can fly, you know, you can fly on commercial US airlines,
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  Speaker 11: you can fly on you know, other airlines. Unfortunately, Canada
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  Speaker 11: has canceled all of their flights to Cuba essentially, so
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  Speaker 11: Canada is not an option right now. That's the fuel situation.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that was Sarah or Agaza with Cuban Adventures, a
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