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Normally Podcast: The Impact of Trump on Domestic Policy · Normally

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Speaker 1: Hi, yeahs, and welcome back to normally the show with
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Speaker 1: normalist takes before the news gets weird. I'm Mary Catherine hamp.
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Speaker 2: I'm Carol Markoitz. I'm Mary Catherine. What an exciting weekend.
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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. There's a lot going on in the
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Speaker 1: new administration, which is not very old. There are nonetheless
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Speaker 1: results on both a domestic and a foreign relations front.
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Speaker 2: I'm not tired of winning yet.
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Speaker 1: Shall I start with domestic? President Trump traveled to two
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Speaker 1: disaster areas on the first Friday of his administration. He
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Speaker 1: had announced earlier he was going to go to LA
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Speaker 1: to check on the wildfires, which I appreciated. He added
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Speaker 1: a trip that he announced on inauguration Day, I believe,
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Speaker 1: to western North Carolina, which has been really like disappointingly
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Speaker 1: abandoned both in attention and resources since Helene fled the
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Speaker 1: whole place in September and October of twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 1: It's been a while out there.
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Speaker 2: Now, it's been a while.
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Speaker 1: It's been four months. And you know, I check back
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Speaker 1: in periodically because I'm from North Carolina. A lot of
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Speaker 1: media doesn't check back in, and I've talked to people
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Speaker 1: on the ground who are just saying there's no one here.
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Speaker 1: There's no one who cares, there's no one reporting on
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Speaker 1: it aside from local news. There's no one. There's no
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Speaker 1: one sending resources or people. And these are folks who
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Speaker 1: are doing daily work on the ground, so if there
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Speaker 1: were resources there, they would.
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Speaker 2: Be seeing them.
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Speaker 1: And there's just a total dearth. So Trump goes and
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Speaker 1: he speaks a bit, but he also does a thing
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Speaker 1: that I love that he does sometimes, which is he
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Speaker 1: gives the mic away, which is maybe counterintuitive for what
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Speaker 1: people think about Trump. He gives the mic away effectively
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Speaker 1: to several people who have suffered loss in this storm.
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Speaker 1: So let me just let's hear a little bit about
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Speaker 1: one of their stories.
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Speaker 3: There were like a lot of family members there that
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Speaker 3: passed away, like eleven of them, and there were people
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Speaker 3: out everywhere looking for their loved ones, and there were
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Speaker 3: dead bodies.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 3: My son's like, Mom, you're going to see things you
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Speaker 3: don't want to see. And so anyway, we got through
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Speaker 3: all that, but I stayed at our church in our
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Speaker 3: sound booth. My husband and I we just slept up
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Speaker 3: in the sound booth for a couple of months because
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Speaker 3: we didn't have power anything for about two months out there,
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Speaker 3: and then we have went back. I've been fighting with
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Speaker 3: FEMA since day one. Our community there's like thirty two homes.
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Speaker 3: We don't have a road in a bridge. We're driving
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Speaker 3: through our neighbor's property. You know. I went to EMS
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Speaker 3: and I said, look, my concern is if we have
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Speaker 3: a fire or we have an emergency out here, you
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Speaker 3: don't going to get to us. You can't get those
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Speaker 3: big trucks up here. And I've called and called and
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Speaker 3: called FEMA, and you know it's this happened on September
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Speaker 3: twenty seventh. That's four months ago. Well for us, today
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Speaker 3: is still September twenty seventh. You know, we haven't had HILP.
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Speaker 1: So that is not an atypical experience in western North Carolina.
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Speaker 1: At this point, he goes down there, he has the event.
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Speaker 1: Suddenly there's all this attention, and wouldn't you know it,
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Speaker 1: National News is covering it again. It's amazing, and the
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Speaker 1: Army Corps of Engineers speaking with and following the Twitter
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Speaker 1: accounts of those who I know on the ground, the
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Speaker 1: Army Corps of Engineers is everywhere clearing debris, getting roads ready,
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Speaker 1: doing things that private people had been doing private charities
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Speaker 1: and just regular guys with back hose, had been doing
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Speaker 1: for four months.
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Speaker 2: Suddenly it's amazing. A change of president could really affect
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Speaker 2: a lot of things, even local things like that, which
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Speaker 2: we don't maybe expect. I love what he did in California,
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Speaker 2: and I think that him handing over the mic in
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Speaker 2: North Carolina is it's great. It's a real sea change
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Speaker 2: from what we had president who never spoke to media,
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Speaker 2: who didn't seem to know what was going on. And
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Speaker 2: this is the difference is here, and it's very very clear.
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Speaker 1: Well, and it speaks to you know, I am not
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Speaker 1: a person who wants to put all of my faith
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Speaker 1: in a political leader. However, leadership does matter when you
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Speaker 1: take control and you say these are my expectations, that
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Speaker 1: can change a lot on the ground, and it seems
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Speaker 1: to be doing so in North Carolina. Trump is also
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Speaker 1: sufficiently suspicious of FEMA that he's calling for a review
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Speaker 1: of exactly how FEMA works and whether it's worth having around.
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Speaker 1: In the meantime, a former Navy seal, Cameron Hamilton, is
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Speaker 1: the interim head of FEMA as this administration starts. But
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Speaker 1: Margaret Brennan was talking to jd Vance this weekend and
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Speaker 1: she had some thoughts on whether states can do emergency
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Speaker 1: management without FEMA, and maybe you, as you're from Florida,
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Speaker 1: have some thoughts on that. But here's Margaret Brennan and J.
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Speaker 1: D Vance talking about it.
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Speaker 4: You know, FEMA has specialized expertise that some of these
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Speaker 4: states just don't have. Oh Arsenal and I wish that
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Speaker 4: these states who are who are lower income states, the Mississippis,
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Speaker 4: the Kentucky's, the Alabamas be able to do this for
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Speaker 4: themselves without federal Well, the President, to be clear, is
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Speaker 4: not saying We're going to leave anybody behind. He's saying
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Speaker 4: that in the way that we administer these resources, some
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Speaker 4: of which is coming from the federal levels, some of
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Speaker 4: which is coming from the state.
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Speaker 1: Level, we've got to get the bureaucrats out of the
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Speaker 1: way and get the aid to the people who need
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Speaker 1: it most. How could they do it? Can I be clearer, Carol?
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Speaker 1: The federal government's expertise is in taking as much money
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Speaker 1: as possible from taxpayers and then sending it elsewhere. That's oliverertise. Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: I would love if FEMA were actually expert at helping
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Speaker 1: people in disasters, but it really doesn't look that way.
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Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, And look the local thing, it's like
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Speaker 2: the local governments can get the experts. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 2: when it's once every decade snowstorm hits Florida, bron de
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Speaker 2: Santis somehow finds the snowplows that nobody knew we had.
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Speaker 2: It's all possible. And I think that's like what the
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Speaker 2: difference between the left and the right have always been.
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Speaker 2: Has always been that the right believes that the individual
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Speaker 2: and the smaller government and the local can do it,
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Speaker 2: and the left thinks that only the federal government is
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Speaker 2: capable of it. But they've failed again and again and again.
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Speaker 2: So maybe let's give our way a shot. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And like, give the resources that you're otherwise holding
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Speaker 1: for FEMA to the people with the back hoes who
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Speaker 1: strolled up to their neighbor's houses and decided to clear
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Speaker 1: roads for four months.
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Speaker 3: That's right.
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Speaker 1: Let's give them the reins for a little while.
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Speaker 2: I don't see why not, really.
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Speaker 1: It is so frustrating. I do think emergency management is
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Speaker 1: one of those things that I've become like strangely passionate
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Speaker 1: about the last couple of years, because it seems like
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Speaker 1: something that if you just have a couple of smart
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Speaker 1: people who are thinking ahead a little bit, you can
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Speaker 1: really do wonders for citizens.
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Speaker 2: I love your passionate about it. I think we should
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Speaker 2: continue to talk about North Carolina and we will so.
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Speaker 2: Also over the weekend, Donald Trump got into a bit
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Speaker 2: of a kerfuffle with Columbia. Apparently they loaded two planes
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Speaker 2: of Colombian illegal immigrants who had also committed crimes in
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Speaker 2: the United States and sent them back to Columbia, and
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Speaker 2: Columbia refused the planes, turning them back. Trump tweeted on
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Speaker 2: his truth social I don't really know how to refer
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Speaker 2: to that, he truthed, He said, I was just informed
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Speaker 2: that two repatriation flights from the United States with a
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Speaker 2: large number of illegal criminals were not allowed to land
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Speaker 2: in Columbia. This order was given by Columbia's socialist president,
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Speaker 2: Gustavo Petro, who was among who was already very unpopular
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Speaker 2: amongst his people. I love that Trump is, you know,
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Speaker 2: and nobody likes him.
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Speaker 1: No life. He likes that guy.
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Speaker 2: Petro's denial of these flights has jeopardized the national security
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Speaker 2: and public safety of the United States. So he directed
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Speaker 2: his administration to implement twenty five percent tariffs, travel ban
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Speaker 2: and immediate visa revocation. He's are sanctions on all party members,
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Speaker 2: et cetera, a bunch of stuff. Later that same day,
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Speaker 2: the Colombian president relented and said his problem wasn't with
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Speaker 2: receiving his own nationals back, which you know, I should
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Speaker 2: hope not. It was with the type of airplane used.
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Speaker 2: It was a military plane. That's ridiculous. He needed them
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Speaker 2: to travel in comfort. Really, that's the issue here, So
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Speaker 2: he sent his own plane. He also wrote a fifteen
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Speaker 2: hundred word, you know, manifesto that he posted on Twitter.
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Speaker 2: I'm very much not reading that, bro, but allegedly the
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Speaker 2: gist of it was I don't bend to this guy.
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Speaker 2: Though he did bend to this however. Yeah, so another
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Speaker 2: Trump win. I saw, you know, I saw American leftists
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Speaker 2: saying Trump should have just continued the Biden policy of
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Speaker 2: putting them on passenger jets and whatever. Fine, maybe that
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Speaker 2: Biden policy of sending back a legal immigrants was working.
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Speaker 2: I didn't see that work. But okay, whatever Trump kind
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Speaker 2: of decides to do, that's different than Biden. Right now,
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Speaker 2: I give him some leeway on it. If he thinks
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Speaker 2: that military flights are the better path to get these
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Speaker 2: people out of our country and into their own countries,
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Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. And so this idea that like, oh,
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Speaker 2: we put them on the wrong flights, like.
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Speaker 1: Spare me no same. Have you ever been put on
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Speaker 1: a flight for free in the American government?
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Speaker 2: Haven't?
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Speaker 1: No? I think this feels very much like the United
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Speaker 1: States of America has been watching a lot of reels
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Speaker 1: about how to set proper boundaries, and now we have
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Speaker 1: an actual boundary in the border, and one of our
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Speaker 1: boundaries is going to be Hey, if you're not going
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Speaker 1: to accept and repatriate the citizens who have come here illegally,
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Speaker 1: here are some of the things that we will do right, right,
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Speaker 1: because we have someone who's going to make good on
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Speaker 1: this promises now, because look, there's an old version of
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Speaker 1: me that one hundred percent would have been like, oh,
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Speaker 1: this is very rash. What are we doing the relations
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Speaker 1: between Columbia and the US. This is the sacred way
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Speaker 1: of doing things that we've always done. Things go through
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Speaker 1: the State Department, have a bunch of back and forth.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't work.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't work.
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Speaker 1: You get walked all over he truths. An hour later,
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Speaker 1: the problem solved. We didn't have to have a Blue
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Speaker 1: ribbon commission. We didn't have to stroke a bunch of egos.
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Speaker 1: Threat made this guy seems crazy. He might make good
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Speaker 1: on the threat. We're not messing with you, right.
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Speaker 2: If there was a gentler solution, somebody would have tried
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Speaker 2: it affect actively up until this point. The fact that
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Speaker 2: there wasn't and it didn't work, and none of this
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Speaker 2: had worked before, is why we have Donald Trump period.
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Speaker 1: Well, and here's another thing. You established when you do
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Speaker 1: that one time, as I know with parenting, if you
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Speaker 1: if you if something is established as a as a standard,
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Speaker 1: the other folks who observe you, the younger kids create
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Speaker 1: this standard, will then know that that is the standard. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and maybe you don't have to do that in the future.
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Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, That's that's really what it's all about. Also,
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Speaker 2: if I was put on an uncomfortable flight home or wherever,
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Speaker 2: and then I had to fly back and then only
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Speaker 2: to be put on a more comfortable flight, I would
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Speaker 2: not enjoy that. If I already landing, like, let me
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Speaker 2: land on this uncomfortable flight. I'm good.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the whole thing sounds like nonsense about the
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Speaker 1: type of plane.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it totally sounds like nonsense.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody likes that guy anyway.
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Speaker 2: Nobody likes him, So why are we even listening to
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Speaker 2: what he has to say?
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I do I like I am much
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Speaker 1: like you. I'll give I give leeway partly because I
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Speaker 1: am starved for effective leadership. Yeah, you're not as starved
12:07
Speaker 1: because you live in Oh that's not true. I'm a
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Speaker 1: big governor here too, but it is because of my
12:11
Speaker 1: proximity to DC get I get very right exposed to
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Speaker 1: the worst of leaders.
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Speaker 2: You and I are not huge maga people. Which is
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Speaker 2: funny because we were on a show recently and like together.
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Speaker 2: We were on askajew podcast and some of the comments
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Speaker 2: were like, oh my god, these two trumpers.
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Speaker 1: That's right.
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Speaker 2: It's like in a room of anti trumpers, you and
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Speaker 2: I are big trumpers, yes, but in a room of
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Speaker 2: like hardcore trumpers, you and I are like moderate trumpers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. As I've told you, I like to be optimistic
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Speaker 1: at the beginning of an administration, and I was optimistic
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Speaker 1: or tried to be at the beginning of the Biden administration.
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Speaker 1: So if I'm a sucker. I'm a bipartisan sucker, but
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Speaker 1: I think it's good practice to attempt to be open
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Speaker 1: minded at the beginning of administration. Yeah, and frankly, Trump's
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Speaker 1: out there arguing with Karen Bass about how come people
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Speaker 1: can't clean up their property starting today, and suddenly it
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Speaker 1: changes the game exactly.
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Speaker 2: We like to see competence, and it doesn't matter if
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Speaker 2: we like or don't like or whatever the person. If
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden had been competent, I would have enjoyed that
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Speaker 2: that didn't happen. We'll be right back on normally.
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Speaker 1: We were from the ever present executive who's.
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Speaker 2: Been to his values and competence, to.
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Speaker 1: The absent executive that we had in office before Trump.
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Speaker 1: And there's new news out, a little scoop that the
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Speaker 1: ACLU sent a list of quote, nonviolent drug offenders for
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Speaker 1: clemency over to President Biden at the end of his term,
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Speaker 1: and wouldn't you know it, President Biden totally with it,
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Speaker 1: signed all those folks out. They were really good to everyone,
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Speaker 1: despite the fact that one of them killed an eight
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Speaker 1: year old boy and his mother because they were going
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Speaker 1: to testify against him in Connecticut. Is that wrong? Adrianne Peeler.
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Speaker 1: He was serving a twenty year state prison sentence for
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Speaker 1: a murder conspiracy in the nineteen ninety nine shootings of
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Speaker 1: Leroy BJ Brown and his mother Karen Clark in Bridgeport,
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Speaker 1: killings that shocked the city and led to improvements in
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Speaker 1: state witness protection. The state had to create a new
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Speaker 1: program to protect people after this. Biden let clemency as
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Speaker 1: of I think July Biden didn't know he did.
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Speaker 2: That, right, Yeah, he had no idea. This guy was
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Speaker 2: serving on federal drug charges until twenty thirty three, and
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Speaker 2: so I think that that was what they saw, the
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Speaker 2: drug charge. This lie that it's all these people smoked
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Speaker 2: a little weed. It's never that. It's never, oh, they
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Speaker 2: you know, did a little drugs. I'm actually very soft
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Speaker 2: on drug decriminalization. You know, you want to use drugs
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Speaker 2: and you don't commit any other crimes, like, you know,
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Speaker 2: go with ja as people say. But look, this is
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Speaker 2: a totally different story. And the thing is it again
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Speaker 2: exposes that we didn't have a president for a long
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Speaker 2: time and who was running the country. We just have
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Speaker 2: no idea.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the basically this story is an admission that oops,
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Speaker 1: his staff didn't check this particular thing well enough, and it's.
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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you know, and now a double murderers out
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Speaker 2: on the street.
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Speaker 1: It's like, and here's the thing. The president does have
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Speaker 1: sweeping pardon powers, right you really it's very hard to
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Speaker 1: argue against any of them. But the president's staff doesn't
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Speaker 1: have sweeping power. Yeah, and the president's staff doesn't have
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Speaker 1: a lot of powers that they were probably using for
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Speaker 1: the past four years. And the fact that that's not
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Speaker 1: the largest scandal of my lifetime is something else.
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Speaker 2: Do you think we're going to get books that actually
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Speaker 2: tell what really happened? Because I think the first book
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Speaker 2: to do that will be a giant bestseller. So they
16:19
Speaker 2: all have to be kind of racing to the publisher
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Speaker 2: right now, don't they, one would think.
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Speaker 1: I guess the question for those in media who had
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Speaker 1: access to this is a how much they exposed the
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Speaker 1: fact that they knew about it, because those who had
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Speaker 1: greatest access for sure knew what was happening and scoffed
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Speaker 1: at the rest of us with no access, who nonetheless
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Speaker 1: somehow spotted president wasn't totally with it. So they have
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Speaker 1: to figure out how much they're going to tell on themselves.
16:46
Speaker 1: Then they have to figure out how much that's going
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Speaker 1: to trash the brand of the Democrats, which is their
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Speaker 1: preferred party and which is currently already quite trashed.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's the question. Do they do that? Do
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Speaker 2: they go for it? I still think yes, I still
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Speaker 2: think that book, at least one person is going to
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Speaker 2: tell the inside story of what happened and who was responsible,
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Speaker 2: And of course they're going to say that they had
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Speaker 2: nothing to do with any of that. But you know,
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Speaker 2: then the second book, the second book, we'll tell their story.
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Speaker 2: So yes, we'll get there.
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Speaker 1: Mmmm, we'll learn things at some point.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, now it can be told. We're going to
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Speaker 2: take a short break and come right back with normally.
17:29
Speaker 2: The other story from this weekend is the ci A
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Speaker 2: now thinks that COVID leaked from a lab in Wuhan, China.
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Speaker 1: No kidding, Yeah, I know. Is this the fourth federal
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Speaker 1: agency to come to this conclusion? I think right? And
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Speaker 1: now now that we're five years on, it's.
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Speaker 2: Amazing, It really is amazing. It's it's another now it
17:55
Speaker 2: can be told story where you were not allowed to
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Speaker 2: say that that. That's what the last four years, more
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Speaker 2: than anything I'll remember about the Biden administration was you
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Speaker 2: were not allowed to say things that we all knew
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Speaker 2: to be true, and this was one of them. It
18:10
Speaker 2: was actually John Stewart made this great line. You know,
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Speaker 2: if there was a chocolate spill in Hershey, Pennsylvania, like
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Speaker 2: we don't know who did it, we.
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Speaker 1: Wouldn't be confused about where that came from. Yes, no,
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Speaker 1: I remember this is one of my one of my
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Speaker 1: first twenty twenty feelings of looking around and going so
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Speaker 1: everyone going crazy, like there's a so there's a coronavirus
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Speaker 1: lab where they do experiments with coronavirus there, But you're
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Speaker 1: telling me it came from somewhere totally different and much
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Speaker 1: more innocent. Okay, the headlines on these. Drew Holden is
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Speaker 1: always good at pulling these together. From twenty twenty, Senator
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Speaker 1: Tom Cotton repeats fringe theory of coronavirus origins. Scientists have
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Speaker 1: dismissed suggestions that the Chinese government was behind the outbreak,
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Speaker 1: but it's the kind of tale that gains track among
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Speaker 1: those who see China as a threat. Yeah, okay, York,
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Speaker 1: can we do that? New York Times this week, CIA
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Speaker 1: now favors lableak theory to explain COVID's origins. A new
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Speaker 1: analysis that began under the Biden administration is released by
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Speaker 1: the CIA's new director, John Ratcliffe. Thank you, John, who
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Speaker 1: wants the agency to get off the sidelines in the debate. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Truth is good, transparency is good. Yeah, we're getting so
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Speaker 1: much more transparency during this administration already.
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, and I love that obviously, but it is
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Speaker 2: galling how many years they made us think that we
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Speaker 2: were the crazy ones and the racist ones. The whole
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Speaker 2: thing was the lab leak theory was racist. But some
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Speaker 2: guy ate a bat in a wet market in China
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Speaker 2: and that's how COVID started. Yeah, that's not racist. Somehow
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Speaker 2: it didn't even make sense, Like, how did that not racist?
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Speaker 2: That's so much more racist.
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Speaker 1: No, and China, because of this lag time, China has
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Speaker 1: yet to pay a price. Were having done this to
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Speaker 1: all of us. They prevented many people from getting ready
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Speaker 1: in ways that would have been helpful, and then we
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Speaker 1: went and did the damn Olympics there like it just yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's been a ride. Yeah, and we lied for years.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and they lied to us about so many
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Speaker 2: different things. I mean, just remember the early videos of
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Speaker 2: people like falling over and dying in China from COVID,
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Speaker 2: and they led us to believe it was a completely
20:28
Speaker 2: different virus than it was. It just all around, China's
20:32
Speaker 2: not our friend, and the fact that we were forced
20:34
Speaker 2: to pretend that they didn't do this thing that we
20:36
Speaker 2: all obviously knew that they did was again.
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Speaker 1: Galling amazing stuff. Yeah, I think we wanted to correct
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Speaker 1: one thing for the record, lest new fake news be made.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's cut off that fake news. There was
20:50
Speaker 2: a story that Ice came to a Chicago public school
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Speaker 2: and all these people were like, we're not going to
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Speaker 2: stand for you coming into our schools and taking the
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Speaker 2: children out. And let me tell you, the Chicago Ice
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Speaker 2: story was very popular on the Brooklyn boards that I'm
21:09
Speaker 2: still on because they were all going to form like
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Speaker 2: a chain outside their own schools and not let Ice in.
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Speaker 2: Turned out, it wasn't Ice. It was Secret Service who
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Speaker 2: came to the school looking for somebody who had made
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Speaker 2: a threat.
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Speaker 1: So that sounds legit and like the normal way of
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Speaker 1: doing things. This is one of the things that I
21:33
Speaker 1: think it's important for people like us to do, which
21:37
Speaker 1: is there are going to be freakouts. Oh yeah, and look,
21:41
Speaker 1: there's sweeping change happening in a lot of ways, and
21:44
Speaker 1: that makes many of the people who report on the
21:47
Speaker 1: federal government and the federal government very uncomfortable. And so
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Speaker 1: there are going to be people who lose it or
21:53
Speaker 1: misreport things and make something out of nothing. And look,
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Speaker 1: when there are problems, we should talk about it, Sure
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Speaker 1: we will. There's fake stuff. We should say, hey, that
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Speaker 1: one's not real, guys, and it shouldn't be turned into
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Speaker 1: a symbol of the Trump administration when it's the Secret
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Speaker 1: Service job not right.
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Speaker 2: Fake story gets spread and people get very concensed about
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Speaker 2: it and think that you know something that is happening
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Speaker 2: that just plainly is not. And again, these people are
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Speaker 2: the ones who think that they are not susceptible to
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Speaker 2: fake news. They think that where are the suckers falling
22:37
Speaker 2: for all the fake news everywhere?
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Speaker 1: That's all that we do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, perhaps check yourself is the message here. Thanks for
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