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Islam, Hamas, and the Muslim Brotherhood · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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defending biblical Christianity.
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No topic off limits.
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And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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Hey, friends.
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Thanks so much for tuning in for subscribing, for sharing the show, and kick off the week.
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We are going to go back and talk about some basics on Islam, the Muslim Brotherhood,
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Sharia Law, things like that, that we haven't heard a lot about recently, because there hasn't
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been a big terrorist attack in America, primarily we pay more attention when something happens
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to us.
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But we've got to open up and be world view-minded, big picture-minded, and understand the ideology
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that is Islam.
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So I've got an expert guest on that today.
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I can't wait to talk to Tony Garoule.
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He's with us.
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He's the vice president of Radical Truth.
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He's a full-time supported missionary, ordained minister, speaker, and trainer.
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He hosts the Radical Truth TV show and podcast.
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He began his formal education in Christian apologetics in 2008, began studying Islam in
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2010, and his ministry work can be seen and heard on lots of platforms.
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That he was banned on Facebook in 2018, and then on Vimeo in 2020 after an episode
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called Lights Out when Islam rules America was uploaded to his channel.
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So Tony, Radical Truth, welcome to World View Matters, brother, good to see you.
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David, it's great to be with you and your audience.
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Hey, I'm so glad we reconnected here recently, because obviously important things to talk
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about in light of the Middle East and Israel and Biblically and prophetically, but let's
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go back today.
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And by the way, friends, we are going to have Tony on on Thursday as well.
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We're going to do a show on Palestine, Israel versus Palestine.
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We'll get into some history there where that came from.
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We'll talk about the Philistines.
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We'll talk about some Bible prophecy, but right now, Islam.
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Since 9-11, a lot of people have kind of lost interest, I guess, in what is still a potential
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and a very real threat in America with, I mean, look at Dearborn, Michigan.
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Look at places where the Muslim Brotherhood, even in our Congress, our government, you
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can talk about this whenever you want, but let's start with the basics of Islam right
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after you share about Radical Truth and, you know, how you came to be, who you are today
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and given you the voice that God's given you.
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Praise God.
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Yeah.
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Thanks so much, Dave, for having me as a guest once again.
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Sure.
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And I just, yeah, I want to talk about Radical Truth just a little bit, just for a couple
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of minutes.
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I want to let people know that we proclaim truth, share the gospel and expose Islam.
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Radical Truth existed before 9-11 as far as the founder and his studying of Islam way
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before 9-11.
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It started about 2010, though, as far as the ministry officially.
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Basically, what we do is we try to equip the average Christian to reach the average Muslim
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with the gospel.
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And Joe Kerry was the founder of Radical Truth and he had a master's degree in apologetics
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and he focused on Islam in particular.
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Originally, it was Mormonism, interestingly, but there's so many similarities between Mormonism
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and Islam.
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He kind of just crossed right into Islam, realizing the great need for Islam, especially
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after, as you mentioned, 9-11 and so many people wondering, what's this Islam thing?
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I mean, that's when obviously a ton of people that came interested in it.
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And it was that same way for many years.
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And Joe used to travel to country, East Coast, West Coast speaking in many churches, letting
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them know about Islam and how to reach your Muslim neighbor with the gospel.
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How do you reach your Muslim co-work with the gospel, your Muslim classmate, and so on?
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Because the average Muslim is really not an expert on Islam.
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In fact, only about 15% of Muslims in the world actually even understand Arabic.
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Now they will recite the Quran simply because they think that reciting it pleases a law.
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That's why they'll memorize it, that's why they'll recite it.
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They pray five times a day, hoping that they're good enough.
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They fast during the month of Ramadan, if they're devout, hoping to please a law with
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that, they give money to charity, which unfortunately a lot of that ends up funding terrorist groups.
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And sometime in their life, they try to make a trip to that black box in the middle of
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the Saudi Arabia, they have the black cube, which they circumambulate, and that's part
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of the Hajj pilgrimage.
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And every single Muslim in the world tries to go there at least once.
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But Islam is really a scale system.
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They think that if you do more good than bad, hopefully a law will let you in the paradise.
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And I say, hopefully, because even Mohammed didn't know where he would end up, and if
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Mohammed didn't know where he would end up, and he was the perfect Muslim of all time,
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how can any Muslim today actually know for sure where they're going to end up?
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They don't.
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And unfortunately, many Muslims do think that if you die in jihad, that's the only thing
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that will pretty much guarantee that you will enter paradise, because it pretty much does
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away with the scale system.
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So that's why we see terrorism throughout the world.
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And by themselves said, I have been made victorious through terror.
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So Dave, if Mohammed was victorious through terror, why should we be surprised when we
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see other Muslims emulating him throughout the world?
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Well, he's their example.
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And they a lot of them follow the traditions of Mohammed.
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I mean, aren't there different books?
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The Quran and the Hadith and the traditions of Mohammed, his life and his story.
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And you said something very interesting.
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I think I don't know if you used the word loyal followers, committed followers.
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Devout followers.
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Devout followers of Islam.
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Aren't there some conflicting verses in the Quran when it comes to jihad, for example,
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or violence?
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Does the Quran condone violence?
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Because there are some Muslims would say, no, maybe they're nominal Muslims, but there
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are people that are absolutely radicalized and they think, you know, they'll, you know,
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to heaven and the 10, or the 10 versions and whatever if they are a suicide bomber.
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So there's some very, there's some misunderstandings when it comes to even among Muslims, what
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the Quran teaches.
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Can you explain that please?
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Well, Dave, just like there are many nominal Christians in the world who have never
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actually repented and put their trust in Christ, there are many nominal Muslims as well.
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Any figure?
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Any, any figure?
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You can at least separate nominal Christians from born, again, believers who are indwelt
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by the Holy Spirit.
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In Islam, you have devout followers of Muhammad and you have people who aren't doing what
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Muhammad said to do, but no, no Muslim has the Holy Spirit in dwelling now.
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So the, the, the measuring rod for Islam is, are you doing what Muhammad said to do?
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So it doesn't matter what Islam teaches according to your Muslim neighbor.
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If your Muslim neighbor was born in America, loves American freedom would never want to
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live under Sharia, et cetera.
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Well, they are not the measuring rod for Islam.
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Muhammad is, and he, you know, he set the standard 1400 years ago according to tradition.
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So if Muhammad said, I've been made victorious through terror, and he's the perfect Muslim,
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and he says to do this, to do this, to do this, and to do that, if a Muslim's not doing
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what he said to do, that's not a good Muslim.
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No, Dave, one of the episodes of our show is called Good Muslims versus Bad Muslims, because
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many people have a misconception of what is a good Muslim and a bad Muslim, right?
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Yes, it's, it's, and we commonly say that a good Muslim is a bad Muslim and a bad Muslim
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is a good Muslim from a Christian perspective, because we don't want Muslims doing what Muhammad
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said to do, but doing what Muhammad said to do makes you a good Muslim quote-unquote
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by Islam standard.
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So what is Islam according to Muhammad?
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That's the main question.
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So a friend of mine who's a teacher, teacher, pastor, evangelist, and he, I think he grew
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up in Iraq, now he lives in Texas, he's put it this way, and I want to get your response,
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defining Islam, and I'm trying to remember exactly how he put it.
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He said, Islam is technically not a religion, they are very religious when it comes to works,
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but he said it's a sociopolitical system, an economic system that uses a deity to advance
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their ideology.
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What are your thoughts on that definition?
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I think it's accurate, but I think we'll be more accurate, especially for the uneducated
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person about Islam to understand, is it's a religio-political system, because there
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are religious aspects to Islam, and that's what the five pillars are.
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Okay.
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However, there's also political aspects of Islam.
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And if you have Muslims in the West, and this is, I always tell people, Muslims and
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the Constitution can be compatible, but Sharia is law, and the Constitution is not compatible.
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So you will have Muslims who say, oh, well, praying five times a day is Sharia.
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Yeah, that's true, but what I'm talking about is if you live in Saudi Arabia or Iran,
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you're under full Sharia, and this impacts the lives of both Muslims and non-Muslims.
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So let's put this way, full Sharia is not compatible with a Constitution and Bill of
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Rights, and we have a presentation called in billing the facts of Sharia, so people can
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learn more about that.
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But there are religious aspects of Islam, and if a Muslim follows those five pillars, then
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yeah, they can freely do that in America, I've said before.
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The law that bans Islam today can ban Christianity tomorrow.
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So the solution to Islam is not banning it.
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The greatest problem in the world is not radical Islam, it's nominal Christianity.
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We need Christians.
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We need Christians to go out and share the gospel with Muslims around them, because
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that's it.
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The gospel is the only hope that Muslims have.
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So we focus, huge focus of our ministry is just evangelism in general, because I received
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a gospel track from a total stranger 19 years ago, and my God's grace, look at what I'm
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doing for His glory now, so we just need a plant seeds for God's glory.
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We need a plant seeds with Muslims around us, but guess what, David, if you're not comfortable
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about doing evangelism in general, you probably aren't going to have a Muslim as number
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one on your list of people to reach out to.
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So we want to get people engaged in evangelism, and of course, Muslims, because that's the
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biggest unreached people group in the world.
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Yes, that's right.
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I want to go back to something you said.
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We've just got about two minutes before I've taken a very quick break with Tony Garouli
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at RadicalTruth.net.
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You mentioned the five pillars.
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There are some schools in America that were teaching children what the five pillars of
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Islam were.
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They don't teach the Bible or Bible prophecy in American public schools, but they'll teach
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mindfulness from Buddhism.
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They'll teach occultism, Harry Potter, witchcraft, but they won't teach the Bible.
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The five pillars of Islam, Tony, briefly go through them for us.
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So the first one is saying the shahada.
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And this is the main thing that a person must do in order to become a Muslim quote unquote.
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There's differing opinions on if you mean it or if you don't mean it.
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Just some people think, hey, just saying it makes you a Muslim, right?
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But so that's the first one.
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And then you also have praying five times a day.
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And Muslims will do this and hey, I mean, the Bible says pray without ceasing.
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So Christians can pray a lot more than five times a day.
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But Muslims pray five times a day thinking that's what a law requires of them.
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They also fast during the month of Ramadan, but it's really not fasting in a biblical sense.
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They aren't going without food because technically if it's nighttime, you can eat as much food
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as you want.
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So if you regularly eat 3,000 calories a day during the daytime and then during the month
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of Ramadan, you eat 9,000 calories at nights.
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But hey, as long as you don't eat during the daylight hours, you're good.
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That's why many Muslims actually gain weight during the month of Ramadan because of all
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the feasting that they're doing.
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So it's not really fasting in a biblical sense.
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But then also you have to give money to charity, which like I said, a lot of Muslims throughout
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the world, especially in the West, are well meaning with that.
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However, unfortunately, a lot of the money that Muslims give does end up funding jihadist
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groups, which obviously is not a good thing.
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And lastly, you have, which I mentioned previously, the trip to Saudi Arabia to Mecca in Saudi
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Arabia to do the Hajj, and this is the pilgrimage.
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And there are Muslims out there who think that if, you know, no matter how old you are,
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if you do the Hajj, there are Muslims who believe that that resets the scales as well.
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Whereas jihad or dying in jihad for the cause of Islam actually does away with the scale
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system.
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So it's a go gay.
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Do you want to reset the scales or do you want to do away with the scales?
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But even when a Muslim dies in jihad, there's still no 100% guarantee that a law is going
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to let them in a paradise because a law is capricious in arbitrary.
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He can do whatever he wants because his main attribute is his will.
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That's why Muslims say insha'Allah or insha'Allah.
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That means if Allah wills, I'll be there tomorrow insha'Allah.
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If Allah wills, I'll be there tomorrow, that kind of thing.
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So we've got to move on.
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Real quick, we'll take a break.
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We'll come back.
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We'll talk a little more about this.
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It is a religion of works.
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We'll contrast it with biblical Christianity and talk to you guys a little bit more about
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the background of Islam.
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We'll get into the Muslim brotherhood.
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A lot of people are very confused about that.
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So Tony, before we get to the Muslim brotherhood, you mentioned there are similarities between
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Islam and Mormonism.
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Do you want to touch on a few of those because Mormonism is such a popular religion?
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Just briefly, Dave.
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So I do definitely want to let people know more about Muhammad.
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But yes, so we've done a couple of shows years past.
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We did a show comparing a Muslim trying to work their way to the temple and comparing
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that to the Hajj that Muslims try to get to in their life.
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But more interestingly, there's probably over 20 similarities between Muhammad and Joseph
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Smith.
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There's so many similarities between Islam and Mormonism that there are many scholars who
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consider Islam mid evil Mormonism.
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Imagine that.
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And you figure both Muhammad and Joseph Smith control the diet of their followers.
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They both put men over women.
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They both were visited by an angel claiming that whatever was before them was corrupt.
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And this is the fix, the fix all, right?
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There's a ton of similarities between them.
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And what's very interesting though is the major difference.
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And this is a problem because even if you take Christianity out of the equation, if Islam
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is true, Mormonism falls.
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And if Mormonism is true, Islam is false.
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Why is that the case?
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It's because according to Islam, which came way earlier than Mormonism, Muhammad was
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the last and final prophet.
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According to Mormonism, Joseph Smith was a prophet.
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So again, you take Christianity out of the equation, they can't both be right, but again,
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there's so many similarities between the two.
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Okay.
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Muhammad.
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He was a violent warrior.
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He also had a, I believe it was a nine year old wife.
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Can you tell us a little bit about his background and the traditions that good Muslims are supposed
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to follow?
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Yeah.
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What we want to do is we want to look at Muhammad's relationship and kind of like the evolution
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of his life because in the early years, it was really about religious teaching and preaching.
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And he lived in Mecca and at that time, it was a polytheistic society.
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The black cube, the Kaaba that you people see in Saudi Arabia today, you know, many,
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many years ago, before the time of Muhammad, supposedly that was a place of idol worship
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and that's box, that black cube that you see held a bunch of different idols and people
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from those areas would travel there in order to worship their idol.
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So it was a polytheistic society.
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And Muhammad, after, after supposedly having a visitation from the angel Gabriel, which,
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if you look at the account, it's more of a demonic experience, especially because the fact
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that he wanted to go commit suicide after the fact, which isn't a biblical angelical
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encounter.
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But after that, he started preaching monotheism.
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And all of a sudden, the Jews, you know, didn't have any problem with him because, oh,
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here's another monotheist where the Jews were monotheists.
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However, the problem that Muhammad had is the more supposed revelations that he had
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and the more that he spoke, the Jews started to realize more and more.
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Wait, this guy isn't, you know, a prophet.
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He's not, he's not sounding the way that he wants us.
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He doesn't, the person in the prophet that he is trying to make himself out to be, he
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isn't that.
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And they started realizing that he isn't the man that he claims to be, that he wasn't,
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wasn't a prophet and so on.
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That started disputes, obviously, between Muhammad and the Jews.
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And when the Jews rejected Muhammad, Muhammad rejected the Jews.
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The problem for the Jews is that he gained more and more followers, more and more power.
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And he became a, not just a religious teacher, but a military leader and a political leader.
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And he drove out the Bonucanuka tribe, he drove out the bottom of the, the dear tribe.
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And then it was the Bonucariza tribe where if you look at the earliest biography of Muhammad,
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it talks about how he had about 700 of them beheaded in one day.
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Now that's like the low number, you know, their numbers are higher than that.
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But you figure, that's from the biography of Muhammad, okay?
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But what other Islamic sources do we have that talk about Muhammad?
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We have the Quran, which mentions him really, only a handful of times.
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However, what commands does the, does the Quran supposedly give to Muhammad?
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And in chapter nine, verse 29, Muhammad said, fight those among the people of the book.
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The Jews and Christians who do not believe in a law nor the last day,
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no forbid what a law and his messenger have forbidden nor embraced the religion of truth
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until they paid the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.
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So this is one of the last chapters of the Quran telling him commanding people to fight the Jews.
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Now, if someone says, oh, well, that's just for them in their time.
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No, that is a prescriptive verse to his followers.
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It's not a deescripted verse like we find in the Old Testament,
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violence and that kind of stuff, right?
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So in addition to the Quran, we have the Hadith, which I think you mentioned before,
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the things that Muhammad said and did.
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Now, in there in Sahih Al-Buhari, volume four, book 52, Hadith 220,
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Muhammad said, I have been made victorious with terror.
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Also, in volume four, book 52, Hadith 177, listen to this, Dave,
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Muhammad said, the last hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews
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and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say, oh, Muslim,
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there's a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.
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So Islamic Jew hatred began with Muhammad himself.
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And if a Muslim tries to be a good Muslim and so far as they try to emulate Muhammad,
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no surprise, there's been Islamic Jew hatred throughout the years.
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It's very interesting. You mentioned, you know, it talks about the people of the book.
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And we have to recognize something.
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We're seeing all this focus in the Middle East on Israel and the Hamas attacked Israel,
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but Christians are on that list of their enemies because it says subdued the people of the book.
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And doesn't the word Islam mean submission? Can you explain that, Tony?
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It does, Dave. It means submission does not mean peace.
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And what does peace mean according to Islam?
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Well, when the whole world is under Islamic law,
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then the whole world is under what's called a Dar al-Aslam,
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which means the whole world is under peace, quote unquote.
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So Islam defines peace differently than we do in the West,
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just like they define justice, freedom, human rights, they define everything differently.
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So like the leftists in the West is defined differently than the anyway.
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Now you don't know why they get us along so well.
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Yeah. You know what?
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We're going to talk about on Thursday with you when we do a follow-up program.
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Some of the articles on your website, we're going to talk about some of the,
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well, the squad members and some of the people in our own government that are a pro-Palestinian,
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that are, and that the anti-Semitism that's growing should be very concerning in a country like
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America. But Tony, we've got about six minutes left.
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Let's talk about the Muslim Brotherhood because that kind of is off the radar right now,
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and that group and that organization, and it's in our own government.
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Can you give us a rundown of the Muslim Brotherhood, please?
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Yeah. Well, when that caliphate that I had mentioned that Muhammad started,
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Dave, that continued all the way until 1924.
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A lot of people aren't aware of that.
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The Ottoman Empire was the end of the caliphate that was originally established with Muhammad
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himself. That fell in 1924, four years later in 1928, Hassan Al-Bana, who lived in Egypt,
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started the Al-Quan Al-Muslamin, which is the Muslim Brotherhood.
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And rather than carrying guns, they were wearing suits. But guess what? The guys wearing suits,
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the Islamists who are not, again, don't just focus on the religious aspects of Islam,
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but the political aspect. That's how I define an Islamist, a Muslim who focuses on both the religious
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and political aspects. They're hard at work in the West, and here's the thing. We have a chart,
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but I have in a lot of our presentations, the side-by-side chart is Llamist groups,
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which would include the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Jihadist groups. They both hate Israel
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in the West. They both want the world under Sharia. However, where the Islamist groups are not
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focused on armed struggle, the Jihadists obviously are. And while the Jihadists are very impatient,
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and that's why they're out there fighting, the Islamists are very patient, and they're willing
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to go with a hundred-year plan if it takes that long. But the Muslim Brotherhood, the Muslim Brotherhood,
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yes, they came about in 1928. The Palestinian Hamas is the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood.
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Now, we will talk about that in the next episode that we do, but that's important for people to know,
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because here in America, we can see the Islamization of America take place. And in our,
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in my presentation, called Lights Out, we talk about the four major areas of American society
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they're being Islamized, which are education, immigration, government, and churches. And all you
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got to do is look to the UK and other countries in Europe, and even Canada, for that matter,
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to see what will happen here if we allow it to. And again, keep this in mind. The goal of Islam
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is to have the entire world under Islamic law, and nothing's going to stop them,
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other than the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. And that's why we need to be sharing that with every
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Muslim around us. Education, immigration, government, and churches. That last one should concern us.
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Yep. That there's a tolerance, I guess you could call it, toward Islam, if we really understand
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what Islam is. Tony, so over on RadicalTruth.net, you can watch the Muslim Brotherhood origins and
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identity and agenda. That's available, correct? That's available on all the video platforms that
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were on. But yes, the RadicalTruths.net's the main website. You get all the links to the
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audio and video platforms from there. We're on YouTube, Bitshoot, Breitian, Rumble, Odyssey,
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as far as the video. And then we're on, I think at least 14 different podcast platforms.
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Great. And the one we're going to talk about on Thursday, the big one, we're going to talk about
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Palestine. We're going to talk about Israel or Palestine. Talk about some of the biblical history
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and world history there. Let's see, we've got, gosh, just I knew it would go by fast, Tony,
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we've got two or three minutes. Do you want to talk about some some key beliefs, contrasting
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Islam with Christianity or finish up a little bit more in the Muslim Brotherhood, whatever you'd
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like to do? Well, a couple of things, Dave. The, if you go take a world religion class, you're
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going to learn about Judaism, then there was Christianity, then there was Islam. According
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to the Islamic worldview, it's the exact opposite. According to Islam, Adam was a Muslim,
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Abraham was a Muslim, Moses was a Muslim, even Jesus was a Muslim. Jesus, in addition to being a
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Muslim, was not the son of God. Yes, he was a prophet, but he did not die in a cross. If he didn't
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die in a cross, obviously, he writes from the dead either. And according to Islam, Jesus is coming
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back, but he's coming back to destroy Christianity. And you mentioned earlier, Dave, that is the people
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the book referring to the Jews and the Christians, there's an old Islamic proverb that after Saturday
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comes Sunday, Saturdays and reference to Jews, because it's the Sabbath, and Sunday is referring
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to Christians, because it's the Lord's day, the day that the Lord Jesus Christ rose from the dead
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in glory. And again, that's the story that we needed to share with all Muslims around us.
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After Saturday comes Sunday, there's so the Christians are, they're coming. They're next.
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They're next. Exactly. So that's a very important point to take away here with
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Tony Guerrilla, radical truth.net. I wish we had more time to talk about Ishmael and Isaac.
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Maybe we can pick that up a little bit on Thursday, but we are going to talk about Israel and
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Palestine. Tony, I appreciate your work. It's so great to reconnect again after a while and
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just appreciate what you do, brother. So people check out radicaltruth.net. We will talk to you in
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a few days. Thanks so much, Dave. God bless you. You bet. All right, guys, tomorrow, let's see,
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we've got two guests and they are with frontline harvest ministry. They are based in Green Bay,
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Wisconsin. And they disciple. They evangelize. They equip women. And they minister to women coming
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out of prison, helping them, of course, with the gospel and discipleship, but also helping them
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kind of get going, get their lives back going again. So that's Sarah Christensen and Shante
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Watkins. That's tomorrow on World View Matters. Thank you for your support and for sharing the show.
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God bless you. And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.