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  Speaker 1: It's the reform.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight, Andrew Mountbatten Windsor arrested by police. But where is
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  Speaker 2: this ex wife hiding? Is Fergie the next thing danger
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  Speaker 2: from the law. I'll talk to the author of a
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  Speaker 2: book who predicted Andrew's shocking fall.
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  Speaker 1: Also tonight, a Muslim.
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  Speaker 2: Senator from Afghanistan tells Pauline Hansen to leave Australia.
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell Pauline Hanson that if she doesn't like how
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  Speaker 3: things are here in Australia, then she can really pack
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  Speaker 3: her bags and go to the US and continue being
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  Speaker 3: best buds with Trump.
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  Speaker 2: And who are we really importing with this mass immigration?
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  Speaker 2: A premier tells one nation voters are the people to
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  Speaker 2: wipe our backsides. But first, the isis bride scandal is
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  Speaker 2: killing the Abanzi government. It's not just the lies the
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  Speaker 2: government told you. No, we're not helping to bring back
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  Speaker 2: these eleven women who join the Islamic State. No, we're
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  Speaker 2: not bringing back their children as well. It's the naivety
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  Speaker 2: even now about radical Islam, about the danger. These eleven
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  Speaker 2: women are coming back from one of the two camps
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  Speaker 2: in Syria housing Islamic State women since the collapse of
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  Speaker 2: their color fate. Here is one such isis woman not
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  Speaker 2: an Australian, from the bigger of the two camps.
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  Speaker 4: You have the own last minum.
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  Speaker 2: And here again children from that same camp, not the
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  Speaker 2: Australian one, stoning an American reporter.
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  Speaker 4: Many of the children appear to be extremely radical. They're
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  Speaker 4: all saying one day, I hope to kill you. One
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  Speaker 4: day I want to slit your throat. The longer we stayed,
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  Speaker 4: the more aggressive the children became. Are here come the stones,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to move to another Yeah, as we left,
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  Speaker 4: they made sure we got the message.
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  Speaker 2: And here as a child, not an Australian. Also not
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  Speaker 2: from the same camp as Australians are in threatening another
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  Speaker 2: Western reporter. Now, look, maybe these Australian women and Australian
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  Speaker 2: children trying to come back are much nicer than those
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  Speaker 2: of Islamic state.
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  Speaker 1: Women and children have just shown you.
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  Speaker 2: Or maybe they're shaped by the same culture of extremism
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  Speaker 2: and violence. Who knows, but I would guess that most
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  Speaker 2: Australanids would back the plans reveal today. Be the Opposition
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  Speaker 2: leader Angus Taylor to shut the door, to make it
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  Speaker 2: a crime, to facilitate the return of these Islamic State
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  Speaker 2: women up to ten years jail. Now that is a
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  Speaker 2: challenge in the Albanezi government, which says it doesn't want
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  Speaker 2: these women back, isn't helping them come home, it says,
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  Speaker 2: it seems to work a lot in secret to help
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  Speaker 2: them do just that.
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  Speaker 5: Labor has done everything except drive these people to the
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  Speaker 5: airport to support them returning to Australia. They have had
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  Speaker 5: secret meetings on repatriation and Tony Burke has been part
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  Speaker 5: of those meetings. There have been DNA tests done, they've
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  Speaker 5: been passports issued. Only one technical exclusion order has been
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  Speaker 5: issued to Tony Burke's mate is involved in assisting the repatriation,
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  Speaker 5: and Labor has been spending months preparing for these returns.
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  Speaker 2: Now, picking up on that last example from the lisad
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  Speaker 2: Angus Taylor head of all the help diss governors indeed
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  Speaker 2: given to these Islamic state women and including the man
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  Speaker 2: who's trying to bring them home, a friend of and
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  Speaker 2: fundraiser for immigration Mians to Tony Burke, the New South
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  Speaker 2: Wales premiere today confirmed that the Albanizi government had indeed
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  Speaker 2: he'd been talking to the States four months about preparing
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  Speaker 2: for the return of these people even had plans on
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  Speaker 2: how to fight the radicalization of those children.
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  Speaker 6: New South Wales government would educate them and we would
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  Speaker 6: make sure that they were safe, and we would make
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  Speaker 6: sure that they were within an organization or a group,
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  Speaker 6: or an education or a school that had Australian values.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure that's as reassuring as Chrismans meant that
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  Speaker 2: to sound, because I think it raises serious issues what
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  Speaker 2: he just said. I mean, he suggests thing without openly
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  Speaker 2: saying it, that the returning children from the culture had
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  Speaker 2: just showed you will be put into state schools, which
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  Speaker 2: ones yours? But it did seem to hint that they
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  Speaker 2: would not be going to Muslim schools, or at least
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  Speaker 2: schools that don't have Australian values.
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  Speaker 1: And again you've got to.
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  Speaker 2: Ask which schools does he mean that don't have Australian
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  Speaker 2: values and why aents funding them. In fact, just today
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  Speaker 2: we learned that a board director of the taxpayer funded
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  Speaker 2: Malakfad Islamic School in Sydney attended events organized by the
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  Speaker 2: radical Hisbutia as a speaker and has now stepped down
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  Speaker 2: after Sky News as Carolyn Marcus uncovered a video he
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  Speaker 2: posted of armed Hamas terrorists accompanied by a prayer in
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  Speaker 2: Arabic asking Allah to help them gain victory and to
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  Speaker 2: catch the necks of their enemies and make their shots
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  Speaker 2: hit the target. Now, the man's lawyers say, oh no,
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  Speaker 2: it's not a mus supporter, and that prayer had nothing
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  Speaker 2: to do with the fighters. By the way, that same
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  Speaker 2: school had a kafir wearing teacher convicted of assaulting a
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  Speaker 2: man trying to counter a pro Palestinian protest. Now, the
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  Speaker 2: return of these Islamic state women after the slaughter of
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  Speaker 2: Jews at Bondai by allegedly Islamic state supporters, the return
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  Speaker 2: of these women and their children must force us to
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  Speaker 2: discuss such things and discuss so many other issues that
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  Speaker 2: our governments are preferred to bury. Now that includes, of course,
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  Speaker 2: Muslim immigration, the issue raised by One Nation leader Pauline Hansen. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we have this problem with Islamic state women
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  Speaker 2: essentially because we did let them in the first place,
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  Speaker 2: or their parents or their grandparents. We let them immigrate here.
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  Speaker 2: We also let the elder of the two alleged Bondai killers,
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  Speaker 2: the father, we let him in from India. And the
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  Speaker 2: problem here isn't just with the immigrants who then turned
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  Speaker 2: into radical Islamic preachers and terrorists. I mean, you just
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  Speaker 2: look right now, this desperate search meanwhile going on for
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  Speaker 2: a grandfather kidnapped in Sydney the case of mistaken identities.
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  Speaker 2: Say please, His kidnappers are believed to be in a
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  Speaker 2: gang war with the extremely violent Alamedin crime family originally
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  Speaker 2: from Lebanon and Syria. You've got to ask what have
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  Speaker 2: our leaders done, who do they let in and why?
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  Speaker 2: And why did the Albanizer government learn from all this
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  Speaker 2: and instead give three thousand Palestinians from terrorists run Gaza
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  Speaker 2: tourist visas to come here with minimal initial security checks.
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  Speaker 2: And why is the government helped despite its denils the
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  Speaker 2: return of these Islamic state women. Even today, Anthony Albanezi
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  Speaker 2: was rubbishing the opposition's proposal to criminalize helping terrorists or
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  Speaker 2: people from terrorist groups returned to Australia.
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  Speaker 7: More than forty people came, including fighters on their watch.
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  Speaker 1: That's just gas lighting.
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  Speaker 2: It's true some fighters returned under Tony Abod and Malcolm
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  Speaker 2: Turnbull's governments. It's true, but that is precisely why new
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  Speaker 2: laws were then passed that declared terrorist's areas and criminalize
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  Speaker 2: going there. And now we've learned that even tougher laws
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  Speaker 2: are needed. So why is the Albanzer government refusing to
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  Speaker 2: say yes? And many Australians clearly feel threatened by the
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  Speaker 2: Islamic state women, but also threatened by Muslim immigration generally.
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  Speaker 2: So this attack on Pauline Hansen by Muslim senator Fatima
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  Speaker 2: Payment born in Afghanistan was done.
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell Pauline Hanson that if she doesn't like how
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  Speaker 3: things are here in Australia, then she can really pack
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  Speaker 3: her bags and go to the US and continue being
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  Speaker 3: best buds with Trump.
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  Speaker 2: An Afghan refugee telling a nationalist who was born right
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  Speaker 2: here in Australia that she Hansen should leave to make
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  Speaker 2: room for more Fatima Payments. And how about the double
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  Speaker 2: standards here? You remember when Hanson, the One Nation leader,
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  Speaker 2: suggested that another Muslim senator, the Greens marine Ferruki, might
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  Speaker 2: also be happier overseas after attacking thee as well as
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  Speaker 2: our country is racist. Hanson told the Pakistan born Farruki,
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  Speaker 2: your attitude discuss is clear. You're not happy, so pack
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  Speaker 2: your bags and pee off back to Pakistan. Now for that,
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  Speaker 2: Hanson was actually found guilty of racism. Can you believe
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  Speaker 2: she's appealed and she's now waiting for the Federal Court's decision.
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  Speaker 2: But do you think Payman will face court for telling
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  Speaker 2: Hanson to leave her own country?
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  Speaker 1: As if Joining me and.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, former Victorian Liberal President and Michael Danby, former
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  Speaker 2: Federal Labor politician and chairman of the Joint Standing Committee
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  Speaker 2: on Foreign Affairs, Defense and Trade, Michael Danby the Opposition
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  Speaker 2: says banned people helping people from a declared terrorist hotspot
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  Speaker 2: or members of terrorist group returned to Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Is that a good idea or is it too cruel
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  Speaker 1: to the children?
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  Speaker 8: Well, I'm not worried about the cruelty to the children,
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  Speaker 8: as I'm worried about the threats to Australians. A eighteen
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  Speaker 8: year old was killed after stabbing two police officers and
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  Speaker 8: in dev Hills in twenty fourteen. In twenty fifteen, a
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  Speaker 8: fifteen year old stabbed to death an accountant leaving the
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  Speaker 8: Paramatntic Police headquarters and then he was shot to death.
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  Speaker 8: And we all remember only too recently a young man
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  Speaker 8: in Sydney stabbed an Armenian bishop in the eye sorry,
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  Speaker 8: he was an Assyrian bishop in the eye. Now I
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  Speaker 8: want to know Tony Burke and Elbow are any of
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  Speaker 8: this cohort boys fourteen to eighteen, against whom even Mark
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  Speaker 8: dreyfus reintroduced counter terrorist legislation. Come on, this is serious stuff.
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  Speaker 8: After Bondai, these two don't seem to get it.
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  Speaker 1: Michael Crowger, do these people seem together?
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  Speaker 9: No, they don't. And Andrew on the point of cruelty,
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  Speaker 9: you can't separate the mothers from the children. You can't
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  Speaker 9: bring the children here without father and without a mother,
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  Speaker 9: against their will, their miners. I mean, so they've got
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  Speaker 9: to stay with the mother. Who's the cruel person. I'll
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  Speaker 9: tell you the cruel person is Andrew. The mother. The
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  Speaker 9: mother who's gone to that country, gone to Syria to
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  Speaker 9: support Islamic State, married an Islamic State fighter, and then
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  Speaker 9: having joined the caliphate, has had the audacity, the indecency
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  Speaker 9: to bring those kids into the world in that environment,
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  Speaker 9: knowing that those children were going to be brought up
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  Speaker 9: under a caliphate. That was the intention of these women.
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  Speaker 9: So if anyone's to blame for cruelty to the children,
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  Speaker 9: it's the mother. It's the mother and the father, it's
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  Speaker 9: not the Australian government, it's not the government of Syria.
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  Speaker 9: But Andrew, what we're seeing here is this government is
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  Speaker 9: doing everything they possibly can to bring these Asis brides
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  Speaker 9: to Australia and as we're seeing from the polling, the
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  Speaker 9: public have had enough.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned polling Michael Craig and Michael Danby another shock,
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  Speaker 2: this one from Roy Morgan, are crucially taken between last Monday,
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  Speaker 2: when Paul and Hanson that night asked how you could
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  Speaker 2: tell the good Muslim and last Thursday, when Hanson was
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  Speaker 2: being damned everywhere in the media as a racist.
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  Speaker 1: For saying so.
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  Speaker 2: The result in New South Wales, according to the Roy
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  Speaker 2: Morgan Pole, is shocked. To add to all the other shots.
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  Speaker 2: One nation leads with thirty percent of the primary vote,
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  Speaker 2: ahead of the Labor government on twenty five and the
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  Speaker 2: coalition trailing badly at nineteen.
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  Speaker 8: Your response, it's counterintuitive, Andrew, toward everyone in Ultimo and
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  Speaker 8: the ABC and the Sydney Morning Herald think. So people
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  Speaker 8: see there's violence, they see the street violence, they see
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  Speaker 8: these people coming in from Syria, they don't want them.
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  Speaker 8: And Labor voters as well as many Liberal voters shift
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  Speaker 8: their vote to One Nation. I don't know whether the
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  Speaker 8: government doesn't get the politics of this either, apart from
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  Speaker 8: the ethics and safety issues.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting we had a similar We've had similar
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  Speaker 2: results in South Australia, which is facing an.
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  Speaker 1: Election next month.
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  Speaker 2: Interestingly too, the Liberal senator Alexandtik, of the party's right wing,
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  Speaker 2: has been filmed meeting One Nation's latest star candidate, Cory Bernardi,
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  Speaker 2: is standing in the South Australian election this afternoon. Is
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  Speaker 2: that a hint that One Nation might get another start
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  Speaker 2: deffection as well? Do you think, Michael Kroger.
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  Speaker 9: I don't think so. And very clearly they didn't.
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  Speaker 1: They weren't worried.
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  Speaker 9: About being photographed them and it's not as if they
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  Speaker 9: went to someone's home and had a private meeting. They're
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  Speaker 9: in a very public place there in Adelaide. So I
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  Speaker 9: don't think so, Andrew. But to go back to that
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  Speaker 9: poll Andrew that you're just talking about with Michael Danby,
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  Speaker 9: you look at that One Nation VDE of thirty. Now
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  Speaker 9: the twenty twenty three state election in New South Wales,
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  Speaker 9: One Nation got less than two percent. They've gone from
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  Speaker 9: two to thirty. Mins has gone down twelve and the
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  Speaker 9: Coalition have gone down sixteen. Min's has gone from thirty
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  Speaker 9: seven to twenty five and we've gone thirty five to
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  Speaker 9: nineteen twenty eight percent increase in the one Nation vote.
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  Speaker 9: Despite how good Min's has been over a long period
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  Speaker 9: of time on the question of Jewish hatred in New
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  Speaker 9: South Wales, what this tells you is this a large
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  Speaker 9: bulk of the electorate, including a very large number of
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  Speaker 9: labor voters, blue collar labor voters, are sick of mass migration.
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  Speaker 9: They're sick of what's happening in New South Wales. They're
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  Speaker 9: sick of Isis brides, They're sick of terrorism. They're obviously
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  Speaker 9: discussed and appalled by the master of Jews on the
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  Speaker 9: streets in Sydney. They're appalled by these disgraceful, you know,
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  Speaker 9: pro Palestinian anti Jewish demonstrations at the Opera House, the
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  Speaker 9: Lakember mosques, that set hate preachers. I mean, they've just
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  Speaker 9: had enough. The public have had enough. And even though
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  Speaker 9: they're saying to Chris means you've been great on all
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  Speaker 9: these other issues, the change in Australian society that is
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  Speaker 9: happening because of mass immigration, those voters are saying call
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  Speaker 9: me a racist, call me whatever you I don't care.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care.
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  Speaker 9: Our country is at risk here and they're going to
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  Speaker 9: vote for one nation in very large numbers because of
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  Speaker 9: mass migration and the fallout from Islamic terrorism.
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  Speaker 1: Mather Dan, I think it.
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  Speaker 2: Could be summed up by the fact that I think
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  Speaker 2: a lot of Australians are now feeling that their home
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  Speaker 2: has been turned into a hotel with all sorts of people,
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  Speaker 2: and too many of them coming in and demanding changes
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  Speaker 2: to the furniture, changes to the wallpaper, changes to the decorps,
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  Speaker 2: like they own the joint. And people are losing a
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  Speaker 2: sense of control or even familiarity with their country has
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  Speaker 2: become a stranger to them. Now do you think I'm
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  Speaker 2: exaggerating here? I mean, you see when I used to
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  Speaker 2: warn that this was in case happening, the ABC was
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  Speaker 2: denouncing me as a.
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  Speaker 1: Racist, etc.
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  Speaker 2: But I think now we are seeing this sentiment happening
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  Speaker 2: as in live time, you know, we seeing it right
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  Speaker 2: now in these polls.
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  Speaker 8: Well, the average Ossie is in a mug after Bondai.
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  Speaker 8: These issues have been crystallized for them. They may have
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  Speaker 8: been a bit arcane. The Middle East might have been
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  Speaker 8: a bit too far away. You were never a racist, Andrew.
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  Speaker 8: You're a person who had disagreements with government policy and
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  Speaker 8: people should have argued on the basis of that. And
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  Speaker 8: I think that the amazing votes for one Nation will
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  Speaker 8: come back. A label will go back in New South Wales,
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  Speaker 8: but it'll be amazing in South Australia. For a few
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  Speaker 8: weeks we have a South Australian Labor government re elected
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  Speaker 8: versus a one nation opposition.
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  Speaker 2: Just quickly, I need to know we're all focused on
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  Speaker 2: immigration and the Islamic State Brads. In the meantime, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the economy is going backwards, Michael Kroger. As you know,
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  Speaker 2: Australians are getting poorer. I thought it was fascinating. Treasurer
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  Speaker 2: Jim Charmers has just got a rocket from a giant
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  Speaker 2: of the labor movement, former ACTU Secretary Bill Kelty, who's
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  Speaker 2: told a Senate inquiry into the capital the gains tax
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  Speaker 2: discount the Charmers seems keen to cut that it might
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  Speaker 2: just be another cash gram. And then Kelty really got
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  Speaker 2: stuck in saying over the five years, the tax paid
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  Speaker 2: by working people without deduction is growing in real terms
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  Speaker 2: while their real incomes are barely moving or falling. It
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  Speaker 2: is working people who are paying disproportionately for the increases
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  Speaker 2: in expenditure. So when you've got even Bill Kelty saying
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  Speaker 2: working people are getting poorer under this labor government because
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  Speaker 2: Charmers is spending too much, I mean, look, I know
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  Speaker 2: many Australians won't know who Bill Kelty is, but I
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  Speaker 2: wonder how Charmers will take that.
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  Speaker 9: Well Andrew, if they don't know who or keilty as,
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  Speaker 9: they should look up their history. I mean, this guy
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  Speaker 9: is a giant of labor politics and union politics. Jim
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  Speaker 9: Chalmers is not his not his toenail, so he should
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  Speaker 9: listen to Kelty. Kelty is another one that actually points
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  Speaker 9: out that if you mess with increase government expenditure it
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  Speaker 9: can be inflationary. We've been through this absurd argument in
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  Speaker 9: recent weeks. Did the governor say this, did Charming? I mean,
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  Speaker 9: for God's sake, massive increases in government expenditure are inflationary
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  Speaker 9: and that's what's happening in this country. And Kelty's pointed
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  Speaker 9: that out. The problem is that Charmers is two week
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  Speaker 9: I've always said this, this guy is two weeks. He's
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  Speaker 9: a pretty boy.
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  Speaker 1: Treasurer.
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  Speaker 9: He's two weak to take on his own constituency by
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  Speaker 9: drawing back government expenditure to the historic levels twenty four
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  Speaker 9: to twenty five percent of GDP, not twenty seven percent plus.
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  Speaker 9: And that's why this country. One of the reasons his
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  Speaker 9: country is in a mess and working people paying because
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  Speaker 9: inflation is higher than wage growth and that hurts the
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  Speaker 9: working poor. And that's what saying, And of course he's
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  Speaker 9: absolutely right.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, he led the challenge to turn that around
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  Speaker 2: under the hawk Keating government. Michael Kroger Michael Danby, thank
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  Speaker 2: you very much to you both. After the break, the
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister says the families of people killed in the
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Bondou massacre are generous to him. A new documentary suggests
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  Speaker 2: his dreaming. There's many reasons one nation support has exploded
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  Speaker 2: in the past nine months. I mean the immigration obviously
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  Speaker 2: is one, but another I'm convinced is the bondo massacre
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  Speaker 2: of Jews in early December. Now that horror for many Australians.
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  Speaker 2: This is just because of obviously mass murder on our
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  Speaker 2: own beaches, but also it is linked to immigration, and
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  Speaker 2: it is linked to the feeling that many Astralians now
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  Speaker 2: seem to have that is this country no longer feels
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  Speaker 2: like it's not the Australia they were raised. Then now
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  Speaker 2: you look at this graphic tracking one nation's rise, if
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  Speaker 2: anything is even faster after this massacre, and that's certainly
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  Speaker 2: when Labour support the top line in red suddenly fell
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  Speaker 2: as well. And I think a lot of those voters,
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  Speaker 2: a number of them would have gone to.
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  Speaker 1: One nation too.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: That massacre shot so many of us and also exposed
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: a massive failure of leadership from the Prime Minister, I mean,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: doing so little to fight anti Semitism, in fact encouraging
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: it with his over the top attacks on Israel. That's
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: why Anthony Albinizi was bootsed loudly at Bondo by mourners there.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: The Prime Ministers asked about that by Andrew Clenel on
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: his show yesterday, and the PM just brushed it off.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Did that hurt you personally? Oh, look.
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: Occurred from a small number of people who were there
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: that evening. Overwhelmingly what mattered to me was when I
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: sat down in the land rooms of families who had
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: loved ones killed on December fourteen, They were worn, they
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: were generous.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: But after my show tomorrow night, We are going to
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: run Sherry Markson's extraordinary documentary on the Bundeou massacre, and
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I don't see the survivors being quite so forgiving of
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: their prime minister at all, Like the family of one
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: of the dead, of rabbi who'd warned Albanize something deadly
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: was brewing this anti Semitism. Here's part of that documentary.
• 21:50
  Speaker 10: Many of those present at the Kannaka festival had taken
• 21:53
  Speaker 10: it upon themselves to fight for action. Rabbi Elie Schlanger
• 21:59
  Speaker 10: had even written to Prime Minister Anthony Alberesi just three
• 22:03
  Speaker 10: months earlier to accuse him of betraying the Jewish people
• 22:07
  Speaker 10: over Palestinian recognition. How worried was he about the antisemitism crisis.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: He was very worried.
• 22:17
  Speaker 11: Yeah, he wrote a letter Albinizi. He was on his
• 22:23
  Speaker 11: Facebook and yeah he was. He was definitely expressive about
• 22:29
  Speaker 11: his concerns. He didn't keep it quiet.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Joining me is Shari Marx and Shari, great to see you. Thanks.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: It's extraordinary, isn't it.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: A rabbi warning the Prime minister of exactly the kind
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: of hatred that then cost him his life, and you
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: interview relatives of victims who also feel betrayed. But to
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: listen to the Prime Minister, it's all as if he's
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: been forgiven, is he.
• 22:55
  Speaker 10: Well the comment that Albanzi made to Andrew Colonel that
• 22:58
  Speaker 10: you just played there, that he went to the private
• 23:01
  Speaker 10: homes and it was a different story. Well, Andrew, I'll
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: tell you what happened. When he had a private meeting
• 23:07
  Speaker 10: with the family of Rabbi Elie Schlanger right after he
• 23:11
  Speaker 10: was killed at Bondi. His niece, Rabbi Shlanger's niece said
• 23:16
  Speaker 10: to the Prime Minister at this private meeting, did you
• 23:19
  Speaker 10: read the letter my uncle sent you? And Albanize said no,
• 23:24
  Speaker 10: he had no idea about the letter, so she slid
• 23:26
  Speaker 10: it across the table to him. She said, read it
• 23:28
  Speaker 10: out loud. This is the courage that the niece of
• 23:31
  Speaker 10: Rabbi Elie Schlanger had who was killed at Bondy. And
• 23:35
  Speaker 10: ALBANIZI didn't read it out loud. He read it quietly,
• 23:38
  Speaker 10: so he can claimed publicly to Clonel that he had
• 23:41
  Speaker 10: this incredibly warm reception. That's not the truth, Andrew, That's
• 23:46
  Speaker 10: not what happened the families and I didn't bring this up, Andrew.
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: You know my feelings on this. But I went into
• 23:53
  Speaker 10: this documentary just intending to retell the story of Bondy
• 23:58
  Speaker 10: and three quarters the large part of the documentary is
• 24:02
  Speaker 10: retelling what happened on December fourteen at Bondi in minute
• 24:07
  Speaker 10: by minute, gripping detail, more comprehensive than anything any other
• 24:11
  Speaker 10: media outlet has come close to doing. But then what
• 24:16
  Speaker 10: emerged was most of the people I were interviewing said,
• 24:20
  Speaker 10: we were raising this, we were worried about this. We'd
• 24:22
  Speaker 10: written to the Prime Minister Andrew. Another mum as well,
• 24:25
  Speaker 10: Sammy Cogan. I'm going to play her clip on my
• 24:28
  Speaker 10: show later. She also had written to the Prime Minister.
• 24:31
  Speaker 10: Hers was a year before. So people were worried about this,
• 24:34
  Speaker 10: and they are angry at the Prime Minister for his
• 24:37
  Speaker 10: lack of action, which many of them believe, including Matilda's parents,
• 24:42
  Speaker 10: is responsible for what happened at BONDI.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: What was it you.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Wanted us to know when you were making this documentary, Sherry.
• 24:54
  Speaker 10: Look, I didn't want these stories to be forgotten, Andrew.
• 24:57
  Speaker 10: I mean, we know after the Holocaust how important it
• 25:01
  Speaker 10: was to record the stories for posterity of what happened,
• 25:05
  Speaker 10: and I didn't want this to be forgotten. You know
• 25:08
  Speaker 10: how quickly the news cycle moves on. I mean already
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: now it feels like Australia has just moved on from
• 25:14
  Speaker 10: this deadly terror attack. So it is incredibly important, crucial
• 25:20
  Speaker 10: to properly record what happened that day at Bondi and
• 25:24
  Speaker 10: the lead up to the massacre as well. But also
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: five days after the terror attack, it was very clear
• 25:32
  Speaker 10: that I was interviewing so many people and I was
• 25:34
  Speaker 10: starting to piece together the stories and how they were
• 25:37
  Speaker 10: all interwoven. And so that's what's so powerful about this
• 25:42
  Speaker 10: documentary because we've got fifty seven people on camera. We
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: interviewed fifty seven witnesses, survivors, heroes, victims and the family
• 25:53
  Speaker 10: members of people killed. There's nothing else like this. It
• 25:57
  Speaker 10: is very powerful, it's incredible to watch. It is sad.
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: You probably need a tissue a couple of times if
• 26:06
  Speaker 10: like me, you do get emotional. But the family, so
• 26:09
  Speaker 10: many family members of people killed were part of this documentary.
• 26:13
  Speaker 10: They want Australians to know what happened.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: SHERRYE.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I'll say in public what I say to you privately.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: A number of times I've really admired how you've kept
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: your focus, kept to some extent your impartiality where that
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: has been necessary in the face of something You've warned
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: against yourself for quite some time. You've seen people you
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: know being massacred for being Jewish as you are. You've
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: thrown yourself into this, into writing a book and all
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: that you mentioned the tears.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: How are you coping with this? Because it must.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Come a time in the quietness when you have nothing
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: else to do, when you think about this.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: It must be overwhelming for you.
• 27:00
  Speaker 10: I'm not alone in that, Andrew. The entire Jewish community
• 27:04
  Speaker 10: has been crippled by this massacre. And you know, we
• 27:08
  Speaker 10: had the summer holidays, the Christmas period, New Year's Eve,
• 27:11
  Speaker 10: and there were so many times I was there with
• 27:14
  Speaker 10: my children at the beach or you know, one of
• 27:16
  Speaker 10: those times when you're meant to be happy and celebrating,
• 27:20
  Speaker 10: and my mind was stuck on the night of December fourteen,
• 27:24
  Speaker 10: that Sunday night, when I went straight to Bondi after
• 27:27
  Speaker 10: the attack to report and to interview people who were
• 27:31
  Speaker 10: literally coming off the Karniker festival. The doctor who told
• 27:36
  Speaker 10: us live on air that a ten year old girl
• 27:39
  Speaker 10: had been shot. Now I know Matilda's parents so well,
• 27:42
  Speaker 10: and I feel like I know Matilda's so well, even
• 27:45
  Speaker 10: though I never met her, And I have to say
• 27:48
  Speaker 10: that it feels like all day, every day, Matilda's there
• 27:51
  Speaker 10: in my mind with me. And because I can't get
• 27:56
  Speaker 10: over that a ten year old girl was gunned down
• 27:59
  Speaker 10: at BONDI just the injustice of that, and then you
• 28:02
  Speaker 10: think that our authorities didn't do enough for her. And
• 28:05
  Speaker 10: when I interviewed her father and her mom, Michael and Valentina,
• 28:09
  Speaker 10: and Michael said, Andrew, I said to them, do you
• 28:12
  Speaker 10: think the Albanezy government is partly responsible for what happened
• 28:17
  Speaker 10: to your daughter to Matilda? And Michael said to me,
• 28:20
  Speaker 10: he interrupted me, he said, not partly, they're responsible. They're responsible.
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: I mean, I'm devastated, and I'm not alone. The whole
• 28:30
  Speaker 10: Jewish community is, and not just the Jewish community, but
• 28:32
  Speaker 10: you are, Andrew, Chris Kenny is. So many people here
• 28:35
  Speaker 10: at Sky, so many of our viewers, they hate what
• 28:38
  Speaker 10: is happening to this kind.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: You make a good point. You make a good point.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I don't want this ghetto wise as a Jewish thing.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: It affects us all. It affects us all. And I
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: urge people to watch your documentary tomorrow thank you for
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: your time.
• 28:55
  Speaker 10: Thank you Andrew.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: After the break, have you been calm about all these
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: skilled the migrants the government tells you we're bringing in
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: a premier blows the whistle. Now it's not just mass
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: immigration and hate preachers, making so many strands feel that
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: the country is out of the control, it's divided, it's
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: under assault. This is also this new obsession with race politics,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: you know, and seeing racism everywhere, and government's funded of course,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: like this example from a couple of years ago, the
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: taxpayer funded ABC promoting a book by a taxpayer funded
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Sydney professor and three co authors called Unsettling Colonial Automobilities,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: which if you hadn't guessed, it's claiming that cars are
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: a weapon of colonialism, a tool of racist violence, and
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: used the fine aborigin is for driving and registered vehicles.
• 29:48
  Speaker 12: This idea that we criminalize Aboriginal people in their car
• 29:52
  Speaker 12: is part of the colonial system. You know, you can't
• 29:55
  Speaker 12: drive and be free as an Aboriginal person cars or
• 30:00
  Speaker 12: so colonial because the police use cars to chase Aboriginal people.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: But above all, there is immigration now running at more
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: than four times the level of the nineteen nineties, four
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: times and a couple of years ago more than seven
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: times that level.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Now we're told by.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: The immigration mister Tony Burker, don't worry. You know, there's
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of skilled immigrants we're bringing in here, and
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: that is our big focus.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: That's what you're told well on the weekend.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: So the strays Premiere Pittum and an Alska splew the whistle.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: When you try to persuade one nation supporter, it's the
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: back mass immigration. And so that the people we're bringing
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: in included people one nation voters would need just to
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: wipe their backsides.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: My message to one nation voters is.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: Who's going to feed you and bathe you and wipe
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: your bum when you're ninety.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Join me.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Elisa Godard, former foreign correspondent, founder of Adoni Media, sky
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: News host The Nikodi Georgio at Leasta the way Melanauskus
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: the scribes, we're actually importing an underclass. You know, people
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: will just hold a spoon to your mouth or paper
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: to your bottom. I mean, this doesn't sound like a
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: healthy basis for mass immigration and integration.
• 31:18
  Speaker 13: Andrew watching that, you kind of think you said the
• 31:20
  Speaker 13: quiet bit out loud, because when you break it down,
• 31:25
  Speaker 13: that's thinking exactly what he said. It's about people who
• 31:27
  Speaker 13: are there to wipe your bottom. So it's demeaning to
• 31:30
  Speaker 13: the people who he is meant to be out their respecting,
• 31:32
  Speaker 13: which is the five hundred and fifty thousand people around
• 31:35
  Speaker 13: this country who work in aged care, And it is
• 31:38
  Speaker 13: an insult to the immigrants who are coming into this country.
• 31:41
  Speaker 13: If we're meant to be bringing people in who are
• 31:43
  Speaker 13: skilled workers, and Tony Burker is all about we're bringing
• 31:45
  Speaker 13: people who are going to make this country a better place, well,
• 31:48
  Speaker 13: then you can't be out there demeaning the workers who
• 31:51
  Speaker 13: are going into aged care and saying well, basically our
• 31:54
  Speaker 13: policy is that all we want people coming into is
• 31:57
  Speaker 13: do these low paid jobs that Australians don't want to do.
• 32:00
  Speaker 13: If you listen to the South Australian.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Premier and also Deniker, it's the underclass side of it.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: You know that here are people that would you know,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: if that's what they do, that would be very low
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: paid jobs and it's a demeaning job.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: If you listen to the South Australian Premiere.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a way that we're going
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: to foster an integrated society, bringing in essentially a class
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: of servants.
• 32:27
  Speaker 14: No, I mean it's basically saying we're importing slaves into
• 32:30
  Speaker 14: the country. It almost has racial undertones, to be quite
• 32:33
  Speaker 14: honest with you, Andrew. Look, the reality is, and I
• 32:37
  Speaker 14: completely disagree with what Peter Malanowskis said. I think that
• 32:40
  Speaker 14: those comments are just stupid and they do demean a workforce.
• 32:43
  Speaker 14: I mean, if there's an issue with the age care sector,
• 32:45
  Speaker 14: then we need to look at reforming the age care sector.
• 32:47
  Speaker 14: But the problem is is that we don't need more
• 32:49
  Speaker 14: Uber drivers, we don't need more delivery drivers, we don't
• 32:53
  Speaker 14: need more taxi drivers. It's about bringing other kind of
• 32:56
  Speaker 14: migrants into this country. But when I first heard his comments,
• 32:59
  Speaker 14: my initial thought was this is exactly why we cannot
• 33:03
  Speaker 14: have a proper debate in this country about migration, and
• 33:06
  Speaker 14: goodness me knows we need it because you've got politicians
• 33:10
  Speaker 14: who do not know what to say. They are falling
• 33:13
  Speaker 14: over themselves like Peter Malanowskis has. When you think about it,
• 33:17
  Speaker 14: really it is one nation that are setting the agenda
• 33:20
  Speaker 14: on this, saying well, we need to reduce the number
• 33:22
  Speaker 14: of people coming into this country. We also need to
• 33:24
  Speaker 14: figure out the value system and the quality of migrants
• 33:27
  Speaker 14: that are coming into this country. So that was my
• 33:29
  Speaker 14: initial thought when I heard Peter Malanowskus's comments. Migration Andrew
• 33:34
  Speaker 14: isn't acute vote driving issue. And I'm sure that just
• 33:38
  Speaker 14: like in other parts of the country, South Australia is
• 33:40
  Speaker 14: the same. They've got a housing crisis, Labor's not meeting
• 33:42
  Speaker 14: any of its housing targets, rents are going up, there's
• 33:44
  Speaker 14: a cost of living crisis. He's not exactly selling it,
• 33:48
  Speaker 14: is he He's not exactly selling selling migration. He's doing
• 33:51
  Speaker 14: the exact opposite. So again it's an acute drive vote
• 33:55
  Speaker 14: driving issue, but no politician seems to be able to
• 33:57
  Speaker 14: handle it other than One Nation.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of that, then Elisa at One Nation support,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: it's the most amazing political phenomenon I've seen for I
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: don't know how long how it's gone from very low
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: to leading in some states. I know that it's a
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: protest signal to tell a polse of this. We do
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: not know how it's actually going to transfer into seats
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: in parliament. I've got my doubts, But how do you
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: explain this, like I say, explosion of support for One
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Nation Andrew.
• 34:33
  Speaker 13: I think it's what Danika said, they're hearing from Pauline Hanson.
• 34:36
  Speaker 13: Well she's been saying it now for twenty seven plus years,
• 34:38
  Speaker 13: but they're hearing from her exactly how they're feeling. They're
• 34:41
  Speaker 13: watching what is happening in Australia. They're watching the so
• 34:44
  Speaker 13: called shame we're meant to have about being Australians and
• 34:47
  Speaker 13: it's not our land, it's not our home. And she
• 34:49
  Speaker 13: is saying what they are thinking. And I think that
• 34:51
  Speaker 13: is why people are turning to one nation. And what
• 34:54
  Speaker 13: I know is that there's all the members they've had,
• 34:56
  Speaker 13: new members they've had signed up. I think they're averaging
• 34:58
  Speaker 13: around two thousand new members every ten days. So put
• 35:01
  Speaker 13: that into perspective, seventy nine percent of those have never
• 35:05
  Speaker 13: been a member of a political party. So it's not
• 35:08
  Speaker 13: about necessarily stealing. Yes, they are stealing votes from the
• 35:11
  Speaker 13: Coalition and Labor and other parties, but they're actually enlivening
• 35:14
  Speaker 13: a whole new base which haven't been motivated before to
• 35:18
  Speaker 13: even be interested in politics because they're seeing what is
• 35:21
  Speaker 13: happening to this country and they're finally seeing a politician
• 35:24
  Speaker 13: out there who's saying what they think.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But Danika, I'm hearing people say, you know, commentators,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: a couple in them.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I've got in mind. One I mentioned in my column today.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Suggests me, oh, this is just populism, like there's somehow
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: a sin to listen to the populace.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I always thought, well, you know, the.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Essence of democracy was vox popular that you listen to
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: the public. Apparently that's a sin, and Hansen is the
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: chief sinner. I mean, do you understand this, this fear
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: that she is actually talking about issues that appealed to
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: so many voters.
• 36:03
  Speaker 14: No, that's just the usual narrative from the left, Andrew,
• 36:06
  Speaker 14: they're the ones that are scared. Okay, the majority of Australians,
• 36:09
  Speaker 14: I believe, are starting to wake up, and if you
• 36:10
  Speaker 14: look at the latest polling, it suggests exactly that. In
• 36:14
  Speaker 14: my view, what's happened here is Australia has changed, particularly
• 36:17
  Speaker 14: over the last two years. Since October seven, twenty twenty three.
• 36:20
  Speaker 14: We've got anti Semitism running rife, we've got flags of
• 36:22
  Speaker 14: terror groups being waived, we've got hate preachers elated over
• 36:25
  Speaker 14: the attacks, and it all culminated in the Bondai terrorist attack,
• 36:29
  Speaker 14: the largest terrorist attack on home soil, where fifteen people
• 36:32
  Speaker 14: were murdered in cold Blood. Now, who has been the constant,
• 36:35
  Speaker 14: who's been the constant warning about radical Islam, warning about
• 36:38
  Speaker 14: the dangers of mass migration from the day that she
• 36:40
  Speaker 14: was put into the Parliament. It's Pauline Hanson. And there
• 36:43
  Speaker 14: is a blueprint over in the UK, but Nigel Farage
• 36:47
  Speaker 14: on the exact same trajectory. People trust him because he's
• 36:51
  Speaker 14: been talking about mass migration his entire career. People trust
• 36:54
  Speaker 14: Pauline Hansen because she's been talking about mass migration her
• 36:57
  Speaker 14: entire career. I think all that's happened is the face
• 37:00
  Speaker 14: of Australia has changed and we've got voters waking up
• 37:03
  Speaker 14: that the only person, the only constant out of all
• 37:06
  Speaker 14: of this has been Pauline Hanson, and the major parties
• 37:09
  Speaker 14: haven't caught up to that.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: I just wonder, Lisa, when I was listening to that,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: I was getting an image of Pauline Hanson's sort of
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: like the family so fair. I mean, may not be
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: necessarily only that she says what is now you know,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: something that a lot of people are responding to. But
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: the mere fact that she is a constant, she is
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: like you know, the art that comes around for decades
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: now and it's a familiarity, something constant in a world
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: of far too much change that people are responding.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: To as well.
• 37:44
  Speaker 13: And the other thing, Andrew is the more that the
• 37:46
  Speaker 13: establishment attack Pauline Hanson, particularly now that she's growing in
• 37:50
  Speaker 13: the polls and she has got that membership base that
• 37:52
  Speaker 13: is growing, I think it will help push her along
• 37:55
  Speaker 13: even further. So as much as Labor and even the
• 37:57
  Speaker 13: Colors you want to say she's a protest party, Labour
• 38:00
  Speaker 13: want to attack her on every front, and every lefty
• 38:02
  Speaker 13: in the world will go after her. I actually think
• 38:04
  Speaker 13: that will embolden her. As long as she can continue
• 38:07
  Speaker 13: to be as resilient as she has, I think we'll
• 38:09
  Speaker 13: continue to see that this membership base grow and the
• 38:12
  Speaker 13: real test will be what happens by election.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look and the South straight election. I agree, the
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: air could go to the balloon very quickly if that doesn't,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: if the one nation voters don't turn up. Lisa god
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Dnika di Georgio, thank you very much to you both.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: After the break, Andrew Manbada Windsor was arrested by police.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: The whole world knows that now. But when's Fernie hiding?
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Is she in trouble as well. I'll talk to the
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: author of the book that actually predicted and spelled out
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: their grift. You know, first scene that the man formerly
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: known as Prince Andrew would be finally and totally destroyed
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: for being a sleeze, a man who slept with a
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: teenager seventeen year old to him by his friend, convicted
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, now dead. But that is not why
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: he's now plastered all over the world's newspapers looking absolutely
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  Speaker 2: shocked and shattered after being arrested. No, he's been arrested
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  Speaker 2: for misconducting public office involving suspected financial crimes, which is
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  Speaker 2: exactly the downfall that was predicted last year by Andrew
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  Speaker 2: Lowney in his latest book, The Rise and Fall of
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  Speaker 2: the House of York. Now you might recall that Andrew
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Lowney on My show last year said, yes, the attention
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: was on Andrew Batten Windsor's sex scandals, claims that it
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  Speaker 2: slept with a thousand women. That was in the book too,
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  Speaker 2: But the biggest story was how he mysteriously got so rich.
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  Speaker 2: The biggest story was his abusive office. And Andrew Lowney
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  Speaker 2: joins me again Andrew, thank you so much for your time. Well,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: I've got to say you were absolutely right on the money.
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  Speaker 2: What specifically a police investigator, Well.
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  Speaker 15: They're looking into misconduct in public office. Clear is a
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  Speaker 15: lot of evidence, particularly now from the dump of Epstein material,
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  Speaker 15: which kind of backs up, as you say, kindly, what
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  Speaker 15: I've found in my research. I don't think that this
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  Speaker 15: precludes an investigation into sex trafficking. And I think we've
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  Speaker 15: also getting a new idea, a new era, and I'll
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  Speaker 15: predict this to you, and that's national security. One of
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  Speaker 15: the problems was that Andrew was also leaking defense and
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  Speaker 15: military secrets. That's now been hinted at by officials in Whitehall.
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  Speaker 15: It's certainly what I found in my research and couldn't
• 40:36
  Speaker 15: put in for all sorts of legal reasons. And in fact,
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  Speaker 15: I've now got access to various reports, this is one
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  Speaker 15: of them here from American intelligence showing that he was
• 40:49
  Speaker 15: had been basically subdumed by by Russian intelligence. So this
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  Speaker 15: story is getting bigger and bigger, and I'm afraid Andrew
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  Speaker 15: is getting into deeper and deeper waters.
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  Speaker 1: Russian intelligence.
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  Speaker 2: Now goly, gosh, well, you know there were there already
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  Speaker 2: been hints that suggestions that Jeffrey Epstein was being funded
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  Speaker 2: by in some way used by Russia as well.
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  Speaker 1: So goodness knows where this is going to go.
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  Speaker 2: How much more apart from that, do you think it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be used against it? Because your book has
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: countless examples about Bada Windsor using his position as a
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  Speaker 2: trade envoy in particular for Britain, taxpayer funded and a
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  Speaker 2: royal to make money. Apart from the Russian angle, apart
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  Speaker 2: from the defense secrets, what else do you expect?
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  Speaker 15: Yes, well, I mean I think you know these leagues
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  Speaker 15: and the things that I found, and there's a lot
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  Speaker 15: of mature I can now put in which was taken
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  Speaker 15: out for legal reasons or because people didn't believe it.
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  Speaker 15: But he was shoehorning in meetings for some of his
• 41:51
  Speaker 15: business associates, asking ambassadors to fix these meetings. He was
• 41:56
  Speaker 15: bringing people, including his daughters. Jeffrey Epstein. Another's point mine
• 42:01
  Speaker 15: he had called David Stern, who was inserted into his entourage,
• 42:04
  Speaker 15: all doing business really on his behalf. He was even
• 42:09
  Speaker 15: basically yeah, he was in a whole series of things
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  Speaker 15: which were really about lining his own pockets rather than
• 42:17
  Speaker 15: actually supporting British trade efforts, including in places like Afghanistan,
• 42:23
  Speaker 15: where of course British troops that had died and only
• 42:26
  Speaker 15: very recently.
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  Speaker 1: And Kazakhstan as well. For some reason.
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  Speaker 2: Now in your book, you devote some time to his
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: ex wife, Sarah Ferguson, and I just wonder whether she's
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: in danger as a world class grifter as well, because
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: the emails of Jeffrey Epstein show her acting absolutely appallingly
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  Speaker 2: and not just something, you know, the sensational stuff, helping
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  Speaker 2: his set up meetings between that pedophile and her own
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  Speaker 2: god daughter for Heaven's sake, and also her own daughters,
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  Speaker 2: and telling Epstein of another woman that you may marry
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  Speaker 2: her two she's single, she has a great body. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: we'll marry me and then we'll employ her. But then
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: again there's the financial links, with one email from Epstein
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  Speaker 2: saying he's supported her financially for fifteen years. Andrew, what
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  Speaker 2: did she do for him in return?
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  Speaker 15: Well, Sarah Ferguson gave Epstein the sort of entree into
• 43:22
  Speaker 15: Andrew and into the royal family. But who knows. I mean,
• 43:26
  Speaker 15: there's still a lot more to come out. But you're
• 43:27
  Speaker 15: absolutely right, Sarah, Ferguson is a material witness to the
• 43:31
  Speaker 15: sex trafficking, to what was going on in Epstein's home.
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  Speaker 15: She was often a regular visitor there and she should
• 43:37
  Speaker 15: certainly be testifying to the Senate. But there's also HMRC
• 43:41
  Speaker 15: Her Majesty's revenue Customs should be looking at her the
• 43:44
  Speaker 15: company's act. I think she broke the charitable laws that
• 43:48
  Speaker 15: are charitable things that she brought, broke running her charities.
• 43:52
  Speaker 15: So I think she's definitely worth investigation as well, and
• 43:55
  Speaker 15: she should certainly be questioned about the misconduct and public
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  Speaker 15: office as his daughters who accompanied him on many of
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  Speaker 15: these trips and used these trips to like to basically
• 44:05
  Speaker 15: get contacts which are now exploiting themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, just gets worse and worse. Where is Sarah Ferguson now?
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  Speaker 1: Do you know?
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  Speaker 2: Because I've read reports that she's in the United Arab
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  Speaker 2: Emirates and broke. I've also read reports that she spent
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: a month at a luxury Swiss resort that costs twenty
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: five thousand dollars a day, and it's a resort that
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: she has promoted before.
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  Speaker 14: Here she is to thank you in deep gratitude for
• 44:33
  Speaker 14: giving me a safe Harbor in the storms of life.
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  Speaker 15: He often get these trips for free. He could I
• 44:40
  Speaker 15: think Sarah do that? Well, people are mad. People were
• 44:45
  Speaker 15: upgrading her, giving her free free vis I mean until
• 44:48
  Speaker 15: pretty recently, and in some ways you think that the
• 44:51
  Speaker 15: SPA has got an enormous amount of publicity because of
• 44:54
  Speaker 15: her visit there. So I mean there's probably some method
• 44:57
  Speaker 15: in their madness. But yeah, she's in the Middle East.
• 45:00
  Speaker 15: It's the one place where she still carries some sort
• 45:02
  Speaker 15: of respect, and she's busy trying to get money off
• 45:06
  Speaker 15: fires rulers there. Andrew. That was one of the problems
• 45:10
  Speaker 15: when Andrew was a trade end boy. He was trying
• 45:11
  Speaker 15: to sell his house and catch money off them.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: How could they still have respect for her over there?
• 45:20
  Speaker 15: Well, I mean some of them don't have the greatest reputation.
• 45:24
  Speaker 15: One of their great friends MBS chops up journalists. So
• 45:27
  Speaker 15: Sarah fogus and a small beer compared to some of
• 45:29
  Speaker 15: these people.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, but Nastley. What now for the royal family.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think the king is done as well
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: as could be expected in divorcing himself, kicking from his brother,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: kicking me out of that royal lodge, saying the law
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: must take its course. We've seen also Prince William giving
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: the absolute coldness of cold shoulders to his uncle. Hell
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: much of this stink is going to surround the Royal
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: family or do you think people will say, Look, every
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: family has got one of them, and fortunately the Royals
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: do as well.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 15: I think the problem for the Royal family is that
• 46:13
  Speaker 15: they've known about the Andrew problem for years. They actually
• 46:16
  Speaker 15: shut it down. I mean people were complaining to the
• 46:20
  Speaker 15: Palace about Andrew's behavior, I mean former heads of the
• 46:23
  Speaker 15: Foreign Office, intelligence officers bringing them details of bribes, etc.
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  Speaker 15: And they did nothing. They tried to close the story down.
• 46:30
  Speaker 15: There were legal threats and denials, all sorts of things
• 46:34
  Speaker 15: were done. Pressure was put on people saying they wouldn't
• 46:36
  Speaker 15: give access to them the Royal family for interviews. So
• 46:39
  Speaker 15: it's now been shown that the King was warned about
• 46:42
  Speaker 15: his brother six years ago and did nothing. And I
• 46:46
  Speaker 15: think they clearly didn't expect the Epstein dump of material
• 46:49
  Speaker 15: which has kind of caught them. But I think there
• 46:51
  Speaker 15: are increasing calls that Charles is compromised by this scandal
• 46:56
  Speaker 15: that hit. The only way out is for him to
• 46:58
  Speaker 15: abdicate and to pass it on to William, who is
• 47:02
  Speaker 15: so far been seen to be completely clean and has
• 47:04
  Speaker 15: been pushing for Andrew to be dealt with for years.
• 47:07
  Speaker 15: So this crisis is actually getting bigger and clearly there's
• 47:11
  Speaker 15: a big attempt at the moment to save the king.
• 47:14
  Speaker 15: But even very respected commentators like David Dimbleby here who
• 47:20
  Speaker 15: commentated on Royal occasions, is very critical about the royal family.
• 47:23
  Speaker 15: They certainly need to, I think, introduce more transparency and
• 47:29
  Speaker 15: accountability if they are to survive.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: That is fascinating.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: What do you think the king's motive was loyalty to
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: his brother or attempt to minimize damage to the royalty.
• 47:46
  Speaker 15: I think it was the latter. I mean, I mean
• 47:48
  Speaker 15: there have been lots and lots of scandals which have
• 47:50
  Speaker 15: been hidden over the years and never come out, and
• 47:53
  Speaker 15: that seems to be their preferred way of operating. If
• 47:56
  Speaker 15: they can shut something down, then that's what they'll do.
• 48:00
  Speaker 15: But unfortunately they've been caught out because of these Epstein leaks.
• 48:04
  Speaker 15: I think without them they would have been fine. I mean,
• 48:06
  Speaker 15: no one was calling for investigations after my book came
• 48:09
  Speaker 15: out in August or Orwin Virginia, but Jeffrey's book came
• 48:11
  Speaker 15: out later and we have had a steady drip feed
• 48:16
  Speaker 15: of pretty awful allegations against andro Action now for fifteen
• 48:20
  Speaker 15: years in the press. So this isn't new. And I
• 48:24
  Speaker 15: think this is a crisis of their own making. If
• 48:26
  Speaker 15: they'd actually addressed they could have marginalized much much earlier.
• 48:31
  Speaker 15: Also that there actually were until the seventy inventing.
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  Speaker 1: You did warn, You did warn.
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  Speaker 2: And I advised people to urge people to read your book,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: The Horizon Fall in the House of York. Thank you
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  Speaker 2: so much for your generous time. Appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: That's it for me, coming up now, Sherry Maxon. Good Night,