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Critically Acclaimed #357 | Wuthering Heights, Good Luck Have Fun Don't Die, Goat, Crime 101, Nirvanna The Band The Show, The Movie, By Design, Cold Storage · Critically Acclaimed Network

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[SPEAKER_06]: Hello, and welcome back to critically claimed the movie review podcast where explosions My name is William Bibbiani.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I am a film critic guy right for the rap Everybody calls me bibbs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My name is Whitney Sybel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I see I'm a film critic I am a senior staff writer over slash film.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm back Baby from a business trip Is that a out of town for a couple of days there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm back and I saw a bunch of movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, I got to catch up almost immediately.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yay, it's been a hot minute since Whitney and I, we review a lot of movies, but it's been a while since we've been able to see the same movies.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I was like, yeah, divide and conquer a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, but this time we got like a couple of big movies that we're going to be able to, more than a couple, a trio of big movies.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So we're going to be able to share a thought side I have talked with Whitney about none of these.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So I have no idea if he is,
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[SPEAKER_06]: the right opinion or not.
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[SPEAKER_06]: My opinions are always right.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's true.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm kidding.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't believe in that shit.
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[SPEAKER_06]: My taste is impeccable.
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[SPEAKER_06]: There is no right opinion, but the question is, can you justify it?
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's the rest of the opinion and criticism.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, this week on critically claimed, you're going to be reviewing Emerald Finnell's Wuthering Heights.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the, I think it is the, somebody counted, I think it's like the 36th, 30 something, a proper English language film, live action film adaptation of weathering heights.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not counting all the TV renditions, all the international adaptations, all of the radio edition, it's really quite a popular book.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We're gonna be reviewing Gore Verbinski's new sci-fi comedy.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Good luck.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Have fun.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Don't die.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Which was shot at a local diner called norms.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It was so fascinating.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We're going to talk about that fun.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We're reviewing the new animated feature goat about a goat who wants to be the goat a basket ball player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess that's a roar ball player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to go into the differences in a little bit on that one too.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, we're going to be reviewing the new crime movie.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'll just give you the basics.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's called
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, the basics.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's crime 101.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's a little.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, it's got a big cast got Chris Hemzords, Mark Wahlberg, Holly Barry, Barry Kiggen, Nignulty.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We're reviewing the new.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think it's a Canadian comedy, Nirvana, the band, the show, the movie.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, it's based on Nirvana, the band, the show.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Which I'm unfamiliar with, you're going to have to fill me in.
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[SPEAKER_06]: A new
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm so sorry.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I missed this one.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's really up your alley.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to have to you're going to you're going to feel bad when that starts driving to and then lastly, there is a new sci-fi horror comedy co-starring Liam Neeson and Leslie manville based on a novel by David kept with a screenplay by David kept called cold storage.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I love David Cap, so I'm sorry I missed that one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I see.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He said him this, but when he hits, he hits hard.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And the last year he did the movie, he wrote the movie, Black Bag, which was one of the better, then it made my top 10, but it was one of the better thriller films, certainly of the year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's also directed a few thrillers that I'm very, very fond of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He did premium rush.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was David Cap joined.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He also did back in the 90s, a stir of echoes, the Kevin Mac and film.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Twitter, in fact, isn't bad either.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not great.
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[SPEAKER_06]: What's been awesome, doesn't it?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Just to Rebecca's kicks ass though.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Stir of Echoes is great.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It came out, it's a supernatural film about a guy with psychic powers in life.
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[SPEAKER_06]: No, he's hypnotized.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he gets psychic powers in life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, then he can see ghosts after that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: My point is, it came out like a couple of weeks after the six cents and nobody talked about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was swallowed up.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It was really good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was one of the great films of 99 that has overlooked by all the other great films from 99.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had to damn shit.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He didn't direct this one, but he did write it and we will be reviewing that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: However, the big film, the Biggie, the big honking film.
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... is is weathering heights that's right made that made quite a bit of a uh... i think international made like eighty-eighty eighty-something million it was uh... made a lot of money which is surprising for a literary adaptation in the old times here in new times now uh... i was just having a conversation about sort of the the evolving state of uh... pop media
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I said this actually in response to seeing goat, but it was a relief to see children's film that is an animated film, except for children, that did not fall back on the old dream work's mold of dropping in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: all kinds of like boomer and gen X friendly pop culture references.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was just telling a story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just telling a story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was using modern slang.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was using language of a younger generation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't trying to hook the older folks.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It wasn't making the assumption that old people don't want to see cartoons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, not just that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was moving past
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[SPEAKER_01]: A current generation's entertainment milieu.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was trying to give something new to a new generation, because it was made by younger people who don't give a damn about that stuff anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that means a lot of the driving force in Hollywood from the last 20 years or so, the
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we have to keep keep just just regurgitating all the cool shit we love from the late 70s through the mid 90s and the idea was the studio has felt it was easy to package those things because you didn't need to re-advertise a re- reclimitize people to those things every hour is new it's a million even if they hadn't seen a nightmare in on street they knew the name in a nightmare on street so they're going to see the remake of a nightmare on street right
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, if you did see the rebound, I don't know, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm straightened, I'm
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[SPEAKER_01]: The further back in time you go the sharper the memories of pop culture become rather than the opposite and the closer to the presence the more They get becomes interesting and it's because And it's just because of volume There's just so much more of it now and things don't really capture everyone's attention the way we don't have a monoculture We never when you lead did what we felt like we did for a long time
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[SPEAKER_01]: We do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not where we're used to look at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and there's, there's, there's a new place to go look for that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're just not in on it because we're old.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to disagree with you on this because what I mean by a monoculture isn't that there is a dominant culture.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, which we do have.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The young people in particular are going to TikTok and YouTube more than anything else.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe video games second.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And that is a dominant culture that, unfortunately, the old people who currently control the media, journalists and the people talking about culture aren't fully comprehending just how much the paradigm has changed.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But what we used to have, and I mean, like, 40 years ago was
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[SPEAKER_06]: There were only so many places to get the culture.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So like if you wanted to keep up with mainstream entertainment, and not like the cool weird bookstore that has like the weird books that you can't get anywhere else.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean like if you were watching TV, there were only so many networks.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Everyone saw the same shit.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Or if you didn't, it was because you were watching the other network at that time and everyone else saw that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Your options were more limited.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And even like record stores and things, they can only carry so many.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Now, you go to YouTube, Spotify, wherever you get your music.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They have a vast amount of history all at once.
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[SPEAKER_06]: There's no limit to what could be available, even though there are huge limits to what is.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So we don't have that monoculture, and that it is literally only coming from one or two spouts.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But we do have Nordomonic cultures, and I think we are seeing young people
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[SPEAKER_06]: We're seeing what they're actually interested in, and I think that's really exciting right now because we're not just spoon feeding them the same stuff we assumed for a while.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and I think if you had said three years ago,
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[SPEAKER_06]: there's gonna be a new adaptation of weathering heights and it's gonna be a gigantic smash box office hit.
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[SPEAKER_06]: People would have said you were mad because like, look at what happened to that version of Emma with on your tailor joy.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It was very well received.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Only made a small amount of money, came and went.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It has its fans, a lot of people didn't care.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I love that app too, but my point is that not a lot of people saw it in the grand scheme of things Whether I'm hiding on the other hand, and it's not like it's just Coasting on the star's coat tails like Margot Robbie's last three films before this didn't do great Yeah, she had a lawn that was Amsterdam like his mom.
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[SPEAKER_06]: She's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think she's incredibly talented Barbie is of course One of the most successful ways of all time, but her
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[SPEAKER_06]: being in the movie does not necessarily guarantee a box office.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Jacob Alordi, maybe he's hot right now.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's hard to say because Frankenstein was seen by a lot of people, but it wasn't a box office match because it was a Netflix film.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So we haven't really seen him necessarily proven at the box office per se, but he's a big star.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The thing that I'm actually genuinely surprised by more than anything else based on the people I've are talking about this movie, a handful of people seem to be fans, a lot of people are very critical of it, but a lot of people saw it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They saw it because they liked weathering heights.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Weathering heights is one of the, well, to bring it all around very quickly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The idea that weathering heights is the big hit is just sort of a, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: it's just another sign that the the pop IP notion is kind of gone or it's fading out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will I will be startled if the next Star Wars film like makes a billion dollars.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I, I, I, I feel like weathering heights.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, releasing a sext-up version of weathering heights on Valentine's Day, smart move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, on paper.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Good idea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Secondly, if you are an English-speaking student, it's likely that you had to read weathering heights in high school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was one of those things that was on every syllabus.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and it seems to keep staying on the syllabus.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and there's a turnover on that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And some of the classics are less well-read than they used to be, but yeah, weathering heights are still very,
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[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of people read that book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like everybody's like kind of familiar with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you remember it from high school.
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[SPEAKER_06]: What's weird is that we haven't had like a big adaptation of it in a long time.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Again, Drace Arnold had one in 2011, but that wasn't big.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That was
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was like a little tiny production.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like that version.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I like that version a lot too.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's one of the few that actually casts teeth clip as a person a color But then we had some major TV productions, but the really the one version of weathering heights everyone knows is from 1939.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's the one with a living a yeah That I forgot to play Kathy in that version.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was
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[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't become like a big star or anything, wasn't the time at that the time But yeah, she's not like as well known as Olivia But
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[SPEAKER_01]: To do it very great to give you a brief rundown to just remind you whether in heights It's about a Young girl and Kathy she's being raised in the country the weathering heights and well the ring is actually means windies Yeah, if they're on a tall hill and it's windy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's fuck yeah, and and she Merle over on Merle over on yeah, that is well known as Lord of the Liberty today, but huge of the thing
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, uh, and David Niven was the, uh, the, the, the, the handsome rich groom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but not the Lothario, very undeva niven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah, the Kathy's family takes in when he's still a young boy this boy named he cliff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's never really treated as one of the families, always treated as kind of like a servant or pet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as a boo, toorably.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he grows up to become this sort of bitter abuse, stable boy, that of course Kathy has the hots for, and he has the hots for her, but he's so bad at expressing herself and she's so scattered that their love goes kind of unspoken.
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[SPEAKER_06]: you get the impression that if nothing interrupted this they would have figured it out yeah but they're interrupted because uh a new rich family moves in at the manner next door and by that i mean five miles down the road uh but they're they're they're destitute they need money so Kathy feels
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is her her way to succeed is to marry rich.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So she has to go charm this fan some neighbor.
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[SPEAKER_06]: She ends up spraining her ankle over there and what happens when you spray any rakele, it's someone else's house.
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[SPEAKER_06]: You have to live there for five weeks.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's literally the only option.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So she stays there for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_06]: She falls in love with the guy or at least likes him a lot.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He desperately falls in love with her.
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[SPEAKER_06]: She comes back.
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[SPEAKER_06]: She's all stuck up now.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Heathcliff doesn't like any of this.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And she is.
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[SPEAKER_06]: She's right.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Why does it he think of like me anymore?
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[SPEAKER_06]: What's going on?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Wait a minute.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm totally but crazy and love with Josh But it's totally the same thing, but then the the neighbor asks Kathy to marry him and she's torn and while she is telling her servant
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[SPEAKER_06]: How why she is torn.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's like I know I should marry the rich guy.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He's nice I'm sure it'd be happy.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's smart thing to do if I married Heathcliff We'd be poor.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It'd be degrading and then Heathcliff over here's just that part and then runs off for five years And it comes rich and Mrs. the part five seconds later.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We're Kathy's like nah, but I love Heathcliff I'm gonna pick him
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[SPEAKER_06]: There's no tragic romance with good communication.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, there's never been one occasion I don't think there's ever been one the idea is yeah, that they never never really get to speak their level out or or consummate their relationship So So she marries the other guy and then she dies tragically
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[SPEAKER_06]: I am never really noticed that before until we started describing it just now, that this is the opening of the Princess Bride.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Except, Heathcliff didn't become the dread pirate Robert.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's, it's yeah, falling in love with the farm boy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's very similar actually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It goes back to 1847.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I just, I never really just had to rentally, the two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Emily Bronti kind of invented that argument, that romantic archetype.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or she stole it from the Princess Bride, which is based on a very old book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, when Goldman broke the book and like you ever read the book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's like in the 80s You wrote the gag in the book and the book is very meta as well.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Just like the movie The gag in the book is that when Goldman's father read him this book when he was a child Oh, and he tracked down the book well he tracked well what happens is he got the book as an adult and he gave it to his son to read him It's sign a hated it and he was really mad this book has everything.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's awesome And then he read it and it turns out that this ancient book
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[SPEAKER_06]: that it came from like this fictional country in Europe and has been passed down from generation to generation to that country is actually extremely dull and is dead cut out all the boring parts.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So the book when you're reading it is like all the cool parts and then he would whenever there was something boring he would just sort of briefly describe it and then there were like three chapters of buttercup trying on dresses and each dress was a metaphor for a European country.
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[SPEAKER_06]: You wouldn't get it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It doesn't make sense.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm skipping
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's great.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's great.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's great.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That was a joke, basically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kathy dies tragically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where most movies add adaptations of weathering heights and is with Kathy dying tragically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is really true.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It should be a spoiler if you think about it, but the book's nearly 20 years old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was written in 1847, 1837, something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 1840.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And again, we're assuming you've read it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But this is like assuming you understand the tragic ending of Romeo and Juliet.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We're sorry if you somehow missed it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but in the book that happens like about two thirds of the way through the story and also there's a big frame device we haven't mentioned because like a guy goes to weathering heights.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is the tale to him, telling the story and we cut back to the present, we learned that Kathy had a child with the rich guy before she died and Heathcloss also had a child and those two children have now grown up and are kind of sneaking around behind Heathcliffe's back to find romance themselves and it's kind of about this intergenerational redemption of the love they never actually got to consummate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that part is always left out at the end of the day.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I was trying to look into one maybe two adaptations of ever included that part.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like it's like a third of the book and it's the point of the book.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It is, it's all the context.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's the reason why we tell the story.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I don't know, I don't know who exactly was the one who first cut all that stuff out.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And did the princess bride version with all the quote unquote good stuff.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But they did that book dirty.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, thank you for that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But here's a deal.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That story between Kathy and Heathcliff with the forbidden love and the adultery and the scheming and the vengeance and the death.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Specifically, the uncompromated romance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a big part of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's extremely intense stuff.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And when you
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[SPEAKER_06]: when you really dig into the story, it's abundantly clear that Kathy is in great and heath cliff is kind of a monster.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They're both pretty awful people.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And there's a reason why they became such class, race, abuse, as if it part of the way women are treated differently.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's a society, all of these things contributed to it, but it still turned them into monsters.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And so while you may have a soulletious little thrill of like, oh, we'll never concentrate there a lot of that kind of thing.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's also for the betterment of society, they should not end up together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think the tragedy of weathering heights is the fact that they've been raised in such circumstances, that they don't have the emotional vocabulary to really communicate their feelings to one another openly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're living in such a repressed circumstances that they can't say these sorts of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is not until a generation passes that people are able to do that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Which is, in Denmark, really, to a lot of the literature.
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[SPEAKER_06]: As I say, the famous literature, we still read today of the era, Jane Austen's comedy of manners.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Everyone knows a lot to talk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No one's love to say something in front of her.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The age of the novel.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, the brontase sisters did similar stuff all the time.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I just can't talk about my wife in the attic.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, we could settle this whole thing right now.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I could be five pages long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see Emerald Fennel do a jane air.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but Emerald Fennel read weathering heights said I'm going to do a film adaptation of this but that unconsumated Relationship is going to be consummated on every room of the house, baby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going to consummate on the coffee table and carriages There's you
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kathy like flees out to the moors to sort of express her love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's out there masturbating Yeah, so Emerald Fennel just said let's just show that Yeah, so we have you know that and then of course he'll catch us her what happens?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What an awkward moment or is it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's sexy moment.
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[SPEAKER_06]: She's trying to like lay her in What's like one hand into like the intertwined like laces of her bodice and Lift her off the ground the Galori's got like at at least the foot on Margo's Six foot seven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a huge guy
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[SPEAKER_06]: can't enter a scene in this movie.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He has to like loom in from the background and the fog, like a morning Godzilla.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Like, it's really, really funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I leaned, I saw this with my wife, and I leaned in at one point and said, he's not a man, he's a horse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's like a romantic horse.
20:32
[SPEAKER_06]: There's man.
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[SPEAKER_06]: There's pony play in the movie.
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[SPEAKER_06]: There is pony play in the movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's one, yeah.
20:37
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a scene where our Margarrobe goes to see Heathcliff and it's like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he looks like a butterfly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like his barn attic bedroom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she pears through the cracks in the floor, and below is where the stables are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And two of the stable hands have snuck in there and they are trying on horses' vitals while they have sex.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And while she's peering,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Heathcliff who's six foot seven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a horseman anyway Lies on top of her and covers her mouth and then her eyes and says and wait until they're done Yeah, or he lets her go and that's someone's finish now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, who's about to say?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well
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[SPEAKER_06]: This just awakened 800 things in me, but I don't know if they'll said that when she was adapting it if you wrote the screenplay as well And I'm well for now, she did promising a woman.
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[SPEAKER_06]: She did salt burn.
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[SPEAKER_06]: She's big on solid justness For better works.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So we'll be seeing their fans as movies other critics.
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[SPEAKER_06]: She's got a a can Russell quality that I really admire that's fair I want to talk about the visuals in particular in a minute
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[SPEAKER_06]: but she said that when she was adapting it, she was adapting the version that she remembered reading when she was 14.
21:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like, because it felt that intense.
21:47
[SPEAKER_06]: It was actually, it was all the emotion, all the intense sexual awakening, everything that she wanted to see in the book, specifically when she was 14.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Is that a valid take?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Probably.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Is it necessarily a good take?
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm torn because there's a part of me,
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[SPEAKER_06]: That thinks I see what you're doing.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's kind of what George Lucas did with Star Wars, isn't it?
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[SPEAKER_06]: He took the stuff that he saw when he was younger, what he saw in it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He translated that to the modern cinematic scene.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And the whole other people would see it, too.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I see that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: On the other hand, I don't know, I don't know, 14-year-old Emerald Finnell would have gotten an A on that book report.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Because she's wildly changing the text and removing
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[SPEAKER_06]: anything that could even remotely qualify a subtext, and more than half the text.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, um, so she's she's really just a great forming it into something that's just you might as well have done something completely new that was inspired by weathering heights for all the weathering heights this is.
22:54
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's very very far from weathering heights and it it starts to stray from the story pretty quickly too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because like I said, we do still have the the rich neighbor who moves in next story is playing my um, shazad latif.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's very smitten, but there's the, Emerald Fennel is laying in a lot of all this extra, like sexual imagery.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Isabella character, who is the woman that Heathcliffe will end up with, who comes into town with the rich neighbor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In this one, she seems to be like a repressed,
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[SPEAKER_01]: like she's repressed her own her own sexuality and her own attraction to Kathy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as constantly talking about how much she loves in admirers and thinks Kathy's beautiful gives her a pop-up book with like flowers that are clearly vaginas and there's there's they're always talking about these like handsome mushrooms which are clearly penises.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's made dolls with with Kathy's own hair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah like you know the
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not really explored, there's a whole lot of notions of like sexual imagery kind of lurking around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that's not done to any effect other than to just remind the audience that sex is on the brain.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I think what they do with that character is really interesting because and I don't think it works, but it's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And this is not most certainly not in the novel.
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[SPEAKER_06]: In the novel, Heathcliffe treats that woman.
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[SPEAKER_06]: abysmaly, like abuseively.
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[SPEAKER_06]: She's in a horror movie, and in the world finale film, she's a willing participant, a participant, in full-time BDSM cake.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's a very different take.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That completely changes the entire meaning of that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And what that does, and I think that's very telling, is what that does is it takes all of the horrible things that Heathcliff does, and to an extent, the Kathy does.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And sex is it up, and makes it something that you're allowed to, if this is the case, if you're on the finish line.
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[SPEAKER_06]: If you're on the finish line, if this is your cake,
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[SPEAKER_06]: You might look at that relationship between Heathcliff and what's the character's name again?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Isabella.
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[SPEAKER_06]: You might be a look at that relationship and go, oh, it's got a heart.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's conceptual.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's specifically consensual.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: In this adaptation they say it out loud multiple times.
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[SPEAKER_06]: but that completely changes why we're here and what this means and ultimately what this ends up meaning is incredibly little.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I, for one, think that the absolute, and again, you can say like we've had a million different annotations of weathering highs, she's allowed to do a new one.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's necessarily making good, but she's allowed.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The part that I think is at best extremely misguided and at worst, super racist.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's not just that she white-washed Heathcliff.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's bogged standard, unfortunately.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's very few very few adaptations haven't done that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: She decided to cast two of the characters
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[SPEAKER_06]: with actors of Asian descent.
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[SPEAKER_06]: This has got Hong Chao as Kathy Servant, who is a very instrumental in a lot of the miscommunications in the plot.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And then, sorry, what was the actor's name again?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Who plays a lintin?
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Shazad Latif.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and Shazad Latif.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And these are both actors of Asian descent.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They're from very different countries, but Asian descent.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And both of those characters, more than any other characters,
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[SPEAKER_06]: Only exist to keep this beautiful white couple apart.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They're just hindrances.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They're just people ruining this perfect romance and we're at not for these two characters who Fidel went out of her way to cast as not white people.
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[SPEAKER_06]: This love story would have been great.
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[SPEAKER_06]: According to animal Fidel, and I would like to think
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[SPEAKER_06]: that that was unintentional, but think of the myriad of creative decisions you have to make around that without any kind of self reflection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Where you miss how that looks.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think that's really, really terrible.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But one thing I will say for this adaptation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck it looks good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really well designed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's clearly over-designed.
27:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, like part 2, like kind of stylized.
27:31
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a scene where I'm responsible for a great touchdown.
27:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the one of my favorite shots in the movie was we get to sort of discover the fate of the alcoholic father.
27:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm a form of room and there's like the walls are sort of melting into like all of the wine bottles that he's drained.
27:45
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's like a comical hand-sad at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_06]: There's one shot I won't remember what it is, but it's I think it might be the last shot we get.
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[SPEAKER_06]: of Heathcliff and Kathy in the same shot.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And if you look at his ankle, there's a little detail there.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That fucking haunts me.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Fuck, there's some amazing photography in this movie.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I think you need it because there's nothing else to it.
28:08
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really, really simple.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it starts going down this like really kind of twisted path, because that's deviated from the text.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Heathcliff comes back and he and Kathy actually get to start carrying on a fair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, this is new.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cracked it open.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like I don't like the ending for a fellow this time they get a yago and everybody Like they try to save the ending for we're weathering high Which if you're gonna do it, but you gotta have a point well you gotta have a point or keep going with it There was a moment where they suggested yet another
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[SPEAKER_01]: total departure from the text that would have taken the book in a whole new direction.
28:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And that they didn't follow through with that detail just shows that they were just kind of teasing us with all of these deviations.
28:54
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the time it gets to the end, we realize, wait a minute, there's no tragedy here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These people just suffered and died.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And no, it's frustrating how we go through all of this hugely melodramatic
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[SPEAKER_06]: Some of which is exciting to watch, some of which I find annoying in shallow and racist, but it's all very good looking and it's very hard to be bored.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And then when it all comes together, you realize nothing was said.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Nothing was like learned like by the, the fact that character is they learn nothing.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's a tragedy by the audience.
29:34
[SPEAKER_06]: Why are we here and I for a minute I thought I cracked it okay, because there is a scene at the beginning of this movie the very beginning of this movie where Kathy and the whole town's folk are looking at a hanging it's hanging day Oh, yeah, and a guy is a guy has been been hanged and as he is dead and everyone's
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[SPEAKER_06]: He's also like got out.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He's he's he's died and he's died with an erection and like a little boy's laughing at it and there's people making out and like it's like sex and death They're one of the same and that one scene.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's not something that kind of Well, sex and death are one of the same but sex and death are also entertaining the masses.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, right?
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[SPEAKER_06]: So
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[SPEAKER_06]: I feel like Emil Fennell is kind of making a point about that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: This is this what you want.
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[SPEAKER_06]: You pre-ent, sadistic motherfuckers.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But then she doesn't really have anything to say about that.
30:34
[SPEAKER_06]: She just does it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So, pointing it out doesn't make this more intelligent.
30:42
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, it's like, you call your shot, but then you're blunt.
30:46
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, yeah, you did it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It didn't get you anywhere.
30:54
[SPEAKER_06]: I feel like there's, give a little time, give a little distance.
30:58
[SPEAKER_06]: I know there are people who love weathering heights and a lot of people love weathering heights.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Are picking this movie to pieces.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Mostly, I think, in the right headspace, they're looking at the art of adaptation, why even bother making this movie if you're going to change this much.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Let's analyze the details that they don't come to all favorable conclusions.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think is not unreasonable, though.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It does start to feel like a dog pile, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're all wrong.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think you give it a little bit of distance and we're with just like this is just one of the weathering heights we have now.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think we'll at least be able to look at it as a glorious technical exercise because it's fucking pretty.
31:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's got great photography, it's not great production design.
31:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just
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[SPEAKER_01]: the cinematography is fantastic yeah these are really good visually sure yeah there songs by Charlie XCX on the soundtrack I don't know say yeah they kind of sort of modernize it a little bit it feels like this is aiming for like a good horny slumber party move and I think that's depressing horny I think I suppose so because it ends tragically what point do we end the slumber party like I think I think we just got to cut it off here
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, keep it going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's something like Romeo and Juliet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's also a slumber party move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that ends tragically as well.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but only like right at the end.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They're not all fucked up the entire way through.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I suppose so.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: No, that's that's not fair.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But it's more, it's, it's more, bad zormon is having fun with it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I guess it's my point.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But it's a good touchdown, either way.
32:23
[SPEAKER_06]: That's where I'm going to be on Juliette's.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Very much the progenitor of this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like this, however, is not ever going to transcend the slumber party.
32:33
[SPEAKER_01]: People are going to get together for some titters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to turn it off halfway through, because you've got all those sexiest stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And everything at the end is so bleak and tragic and doesn't really call a lesson to anything of interesting that it just sort of falls flat after a while.
32:47
[SPEAKER_06]: So Emerald Finnell,
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[SPEAKER_06]: cut most of weathering heights and the audience is going to cut most of her movie.
32:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to get the first quarter of weathering heights.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, let's move on.
33:05
[SPEAKER_06]: We've got another famous visual stylist back with a new film.
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[SPEAKER_06]: This is an original film this time.
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[SPEAKER_06]: This is called Good Luck Have Fun Don't Die.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It is the return
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[SPEAKER_01]: The last film, Gore Verbinsky made, was called Accure for Wellness, which I missed, was I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was his attempt to do sort of like a semi-serial hammer moving, where Dane DeHon played a character sort of like wandering around a creepy insane asylum, and was seeing all of these semi-serial images and it all connected to this big conspiracy as to who was being fed what drugs.
33:44
[SPEAKER_01]: You can tell Gorver Bensky has, I want to compare him to like Don Coskorelli and that he has a lot of big ideas that he doesn't quite know how to fit into movies.
33:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Don Coskorelli is much better at it, but his budgets are always too low for his idea.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Right, whoever means he never really has a terribly small budget.
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[SPEAKER_06]: In fact, this is actually one of the smaller budgeted movies and it's and it's his indie But it still has everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's still cost like $20 million.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's more than that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Gore, Gore Verbenski What year was he born?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is vital.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was born in 1964.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's 61 years old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is a gen X or thrown through and this is a gen X text.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, boy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it actually is about how it's a very much kids these days tax very much
34:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's actually incredibly exciting to watch, and I think a lot of it is successful.
34:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I can tell this is the kind of movie I would have been obsessed with, I had seen it when I was 18.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It feels like it's got a Donnie Darkoish quality, where it's clearly made with a lot of skill, the cast is great, a lot of images you're not going to forget.
34:50
[SPEAKER_06]: When you get older, you're going to realize there's not as much to it as the movie claims, but it seems to be angry at the right things, and so it's easy to be on its side.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The plot, I'll simply buy this as much as I can.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Sam Rockwell is a time traveler, or so he says,
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[SPEAKER_06]: uh... the norms on last year again here in uh... here in hollywood norm's not used to be a pretty big chain of of like just old classy like nineteen sixties type diners in Los Angeles we only have do we have now it's like two stollers and not just the one norm so we want to use to be some they used to be at least through for they were great there were reliable you could always get a good cup of coffee in a hamstate for breakfast and it was great um... but we still have one bit of a local icon uh... and uh... same rock ball walks in
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[SPEAKER_06]: It bounces to everybody that he is a time traveler from the future, and he is here to prevent an AI apocalypse.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And he doesn't know exactly, but he does know that somewhere in this norms, on this night, there is a specific combination of people who can team up and save the world within the next hour.
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[SPEAKER_06]: and the room is full of bunch of weirdos.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And he has said, listen, I've done this about 117 times.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I've tried almost every, there's millions of combinations, but I've tried a lot of different combinations.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you for raising your hand, sir.
36:21
[SPEAKER_06]: You have never been useful.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Just put it down.
36:24
[SPEAKER_06]: You mean, well, put it down.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm sick, I can't work with you anymore.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Like it's hilarious.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, he assembles his team.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They include Zazibites, Haley Lieritzredsen, Michael Painjia, Watson, Jim Jamal, Greg Cast, and they embark into the night.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They are being hunted by the cops.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They're being hunted by mercenaries and pig masks.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And periodically throughout the film, we get these extended flashbacks to the main all of the norms characters backstory.
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[SPEAKER_06]: uh... and all of them have basically been living in their own black mirror episode yeah and there i think those vignettes are revealing more about the movie than the main plot definitely a lot is almost a joke honestly like uh... michael pania and zazzy beats are both high school teachers
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[SPEAKER_06]: And they've started to notice that not only all the kids are on the cell phones these days, but Micropania makes a mistake of touching one of their cell phones, and they all turn towards him like zombies.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They all activate.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they started this like pulsating shape appears on all of their phones and they start chasing them like zombies.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've been mind-wanked.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
37:37
[SPEAKER_06]: Juno Temple has a really, really freaky one in which she has a child who dies in a school shooting.
37:44
[SPEAKER_06]: But it turns out that for rich people, not that big a deal.
37:48
[SPEAKER_01]: You can go to this clinic across town, and they can clone your dead child.
37:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you can't afford it, you can subsidize it.
37:57
[SPEAKER_06]: But once a day, your child will give you an ad.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
38:01
[SPEAKER_06]: When you want to eat, I would like an apple berry crumble drink.
38:04
[SPEAKER_01]: It only has 75 calories.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love the sun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that they, in order to reconstruct a whole person and this very AI kind of away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just give us like, one of these 12 prompts, and we'll base the entire personality around that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's also like some other insidious things that aren't fully explained until the end.
38:23
[SPEAKER_06]: And all of these things are somehow interconnected in the way that isn't necessarily easy to predict.
38:27
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's do it.
38:28
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
38:28
[SPEAKER_01]: The, the Juno Temple sequence though is my favorite in the movie.
38:31
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good thing because it's actually really bleak.
38:33
[SPEAKER_01]: They talk about how some parents have cloned their child and then lost the clone in his shooting.
38:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
38:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And they've cloned their children so much now.
38:41
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just sort of doing it for fun.
38:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
38:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, this, we made her eight feet tall this time.
38:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And now she has this weird like personality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: problem that we programed into it just to get us just having fun with it now.
38:53
[SPEAKER_06]: And which is a great commentary on how we have dehumanized our youths.
38:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Ironically, this movie is doing as well.
39:01
[SPEAKER_06]: There are no, but the youths to speak of, to stick up for themselves.
39:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there is one youth character.
39:08
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the Haley, Haley, Haley Richardson character.
39:10
[SPEAKER_01]: But she's not the youth.
39:10
[SPEAKER_01]: She's just like 25.
39:11
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, she's not that young.
39:13
[SPEAKER_06]: She's not one of the people's amplified by their phones.
39:18
[SPEAKER_06]: The movie is very, very angry at how much time we spend on our phones.
39:22
[SPEAKER_06]: This movie is very angry about how much we are outsourcing our thoughts and our morality.
39:29
[SPEAKER_06]: And just giving everything away to AI at the cost of our souls and eventually our lives and all of society.
39:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And all of those aspects.
39:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on board with, I agree with, and I appreciate that someone like Gore Verbinski is really trying to make this totally bonkers science fiction adventure with those points behind it.
39:56
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the malls are evil man.
39:59
[SPEAKER_01]: They're putting tentacles into your brain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And here's a movie about them literally putting tentacles into your brain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of that stuff is pretty cool.
40:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like Gorvor Benzki, even when he's making shit like the lone ranger, has a snack for constructing these really elaborate
40:17
[SPEAKER_01]: interconnected action sequences and stories that are frustratingly opaque, but admirable in their ambition.
40:28
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, he never, I don't think he's ever phoned anything in.
40:31
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I always better in the image.
40:33
[SPEAKER_06]: Sometimes for a lot worse, but he drives really hard.
40:36
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's hammering it so hard.
40:39
[SPEAKER_01]: It becomes a little insufferable, especially right at the beginning when the Sam Rockwell character, also a Jen Axeer, points to all of these people, scolds them, and then tells them about music stores.
40:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
40:51
[SPEAKER_01]: The fuck?
40:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait a minute, I...
40:55
[SPEAKER_01]: The Whitney write this I was born if I had written this as like a teenager and had seen what was going on, then I would have written some crap on that So it's it's really ham-fisted.
41:08
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really obvious.
41:09
[SPEAKER_01]: It's way on the nose
41:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it's too long way too long.
41:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but it has so much fascinating stuff in it that I kind of admire this shabby thing.
41:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
41:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So by the time when we see like there's a monster at the end, I'm not going to describe the monster to you.
41:27
[SPEAKER_06]: There's like a kind of monster thing.
41:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the monster thing.
41:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the monster.
41:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Haven't seen that one before.
41:31
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh shit, this is, yeah, I have the problem with the ending that I'll be honest.
41:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I have a problem with that, though, because it broadcasts what has already happened in the movie.
41:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
41:43
[SPEAKER_01]: A monster shows up and there's no logical reason for it to have shown up.
41:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, other than to explain a twist that comes later.
41:50
[SPEAKER_06]: But the twist, there's multiple twists in the movie.
41:57
[SPEAKER_06]: There's at least one twist.
41:59
[SPEAKER_06]: that is telegraphed so early that and the movie seems to forget that it telegraphed it and really doesn't want to deal with the implications of that because it keeps going on about the plot as if a we don't know and b that didn't happen.
42:17
[SPEAKER_06]: It's counting ironically it's it's chastising us for a low attention spans and counting on our low attention spans.
42:24
[SPEAKER_06]: which is not a great combo.
42:26
[SPEAKER_06]: And I find the conclusion of the film to be honestly a little lazy.
42:34
[SPEAKER_06]: I think and not, and I guess this would be definition of lazy, but you know, not necessarily well developed.
42:42
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
42:42
[SPEAKER_06]: There's definitely something there, but you're not actually engaging with what you've literally just done.
42:48
[SPEAKER_06]: Hmm.
42:48
[SPEAKER_06]: There's also one scene I don't like in this movie and I don't wanna,
42:54
[SPEAKER_06]: I know this is something that I'm very aware of and it means a lot to me and I don't want to say that this necessarily destroys the whole film, but boy to this fucking scene fucking rub me the wrong way and I'll just it's a scene where a character I won't say who or and what context but a character has started engaging with virtual reality like one of those meta headsets and they have decided
43:19
[SPEAKER_06]: that they don't like the real world anymore and they want to live in virtual reality full-time.
43:25
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
43:25
[SPEAKER_06]: And when they tell this to somebody, this person that's like you're being brainwashed, this is terrible, you're not engaging with reality, this is wrong and you're wrong for doing it.
43:34
[SPEAKER_06]: And the word that the person who has been brainwashed uses to describe switching from reality to virtual reality, multiple times transitioning.
43:44
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, that's a little unfortunate.
43:45
[SPEAKER_01]: That is, that is, I didn't pick up on that one.
43:47
[SPEAKER_06]: No, no, I picked up on that right away and I winced.
43:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh, no, you didn't.
43:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Because even, it's probably just unfortunate words.
43:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope so.
43:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we're gonna be kids making any kind of combo.
43:58
[SPEAKER_01]: But here's the thing.
44:00
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not necessarily saying Garver Benzki was making a comment.
44:03
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe he was, but maybe he wasn't, maybe he was just oblivious.
44:06
[SPEAKER_06]: If he was that sucked, that sucked and it's in the text unfortunately now, so it's still fucking sucks regardless of intentionality, but I will say this.
44:14
[SPEAKER_06]: If that wasn't mistake, if that wasn't accident, maybe it wasn't an ad-lib that wound up in the film because that was the best take, yeah, who can say?
44:23
[SPEAKER_06]: What I will say is this.
44:26
[SPEAKER_06]: That was the take that they used.
44:29
[SPEAKER_06]: If it was in the script, they kept it in the script.
44:32
[SPEAKER_06]: They filmed it, they edited it, they went through the sound design, nobody brought it up, nobody brought it, they didn't 80, are it?
44:39
[SPEAKER_06]: Any number of people could have brought up the context of that and what that evokes, what that allegory,
44:49
[SPEAKER_06]: evokes because specifically of that terminology in the real world and what you are saying about unfortunately trans people, or at least what could be interpreted as what you're saying about trans people, any number of people could have said something, either nobody did and I'm disappointed in all of them, or some of them did and they weren't listened to in which case some people knew and were fine with it, or some people were afraid to say something and that doesn't speak
45:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think it might be the first thing.
45:20
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe you can be disappointed with everybody.
45:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, this, I'm, given the tone and sort of very loose nature of this film story, it feels very sloppy.
45:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
45:32
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is probably a sloppy detail.
45:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope to God that's not some sort of commentary on trans people.
45:38
[SPEAKER_06]: I've been burned by this before where there's here's a problematic element of a story.
45:42
[SPEAKER_06]: I want this movie to work.
45:45
[SPEAKER_06]: I want to like the movie.
45:47
[SPEAKER_06]: I want to assume that the filmmaker met well and give them some credit.
45:51
[SPEAKER_06]: And then years later we find out, no, that's exactly what they meant.
45:53
[SPEAKER_06]: So I'm not inclined to just wave that away.
45:57
[SPEAKER_06]: What I will say is it's one scene, it's only like two lines.
46:02
[SPEAKER_06]: So, it might not necessarily ruin the movie.
46:05
[SPEAKER_06]: For me, at the very least, it ruins that scene, and it makes me question some things about the movie, that I would rather have not done.
46:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Apart from that one word selection, though, was there anything else to indicate that there's some sort of trans commentary?
46:21
[SPEAKER_06]: Not specifically, no, and I think that's why, but here's the thing, the movie touches on a lot of stuff, doesn't it?
46:25
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's saying it's all interconnected by the downfall of society.
46:29
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so I think including that in the tapestry even allegorically or accidentally sucks and I think it is my responsibility as a critic to point out something that sucks
46:39
[SPEAKER_06]: Does the whole movie suck?
46:41
[SPEAKER_06]: No, I don't think the whole movie sucks, but I do think that if you're sensitive to that kind of stuff like me You might want to know it's in there Yeah, so that at the very least when it happens you were like, well, that fucking sucked But then maybe you can move on and enjoy the rest or maybe that pisses you off so much You don't want to watch it.
46:56
[SPEAKER_06]: That's totally fair too.
46:57
[SPEAKER_06]: You get to make that call, but as a critic I feel it's worth pointing out because
47:02
[SPEAKER_06]: I had a physical visual reaction to when that happened in that movie and I think that's worth noting.
47:08
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, let's move on.
47:11
[SPEAKER_06]: I was moving on too up to, this is supposed to be a happy occasion.
47:14
[SPEAKER_06]: It's on parent argue.
47:17
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
47:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say it's such a minor part of that movie though.
47:23
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
47:24
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't necessarily think it ruins the whole movie, but it does, it's like you're eating like a delicious meal and then
47:34
[SPEAKER_06]: One bite of your cheeseburger had aluminum foil in it.
47:37
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like fair.
47:38
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, I'm gonna mention that there was aluminum foil in there.
47:41
[SPEAKER_06]: That's not necessarily ruin the cheeseburger, but something went wrong.
47:44
[SPEAKER_06]: We're gonna move on.
47:45
[SPEAKER_06]: But on a much happier note, there was a new CG animated movie called Goat.
47:50
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
47:51
[SPEAKER_06]: It seems to have been inspired by a dad joke of some kind.
47:55
[SPEAKER_06]: Goat, of course, refers to the greatest of all time.
47:58
[SPEAKER_06]: There's I check this.
48:00
[SPEAKER_06]: There's some dispute over where exactly that acronym began.
48:04
[SPEAKER_06]: A lot of people think it began with Mahamad Ali And certainly he's probably the one who popularized it, but it didn't really become standard nomenclature until like then late 90s early 2000s But the greatest of all time is often used to describe people in sports
48:18
[SPEAKER_06]: and in this particular anthropomorphic talking animal movie, the person who wants to be the goat is a literal goat.
48:27
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, where it is utopia type situation, it is an anthropomorphic animal world.
48:33
[SPEAKER_06]: And in this particular anthropomorphic animal world, there is a caste system and unlike utopia, where the caste system was carnivores in herbivores, which made a lot of sense.
48:47
[SPEAKER_06]: it's between big animals and small animals, which also makes sense if you think about it.
48:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Some animals when playing sports would have natural advantages just because of their size.
48:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wait class.
49:00
[SPEAKER_01]: We have weight classes.
49:01
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so you don't expect a feather weight.
49:03
[SPEAKER_06]: The feather weight champion of the world probably won't fight the heavyweight champion of the world.
49:07
[SPEAKER_06]: There's a weight class issue there.
49:10
[SPEAKER_06]: But this is also just a social thing, and the idea is that smalls can't play ball, so there's goat who is a medium at most.
49:20
[SPEAKER_06]: And he says that a lot.
49:21
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not a small amount of medium.
49:23
[SPEAKER_06]: He wants to be the greatest basketball player.
49:27
[SPEAKER_06]: They call it roar ball because it's subtle differences, but it's mostly basketball.
49:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Basketball played in like Mario World biomes.
49:36
[SPEAKER_01]: There's like an ice world and a fire world.
49:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
49:38
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like they're playing in the danger room from X-Men.
49:41
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
49:41
[SPEAKER_06]: See me.
49:43
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh, but there is he, no small has ever been played professional role and so we think he doesn't have a shot.
49:52
[SPEAKER_06]: And then at the beginning of the movie, towards being near the movie and they don't really good job of showing just like how like this character is like really at his lowest.
50:00
[SPEAKER_06]: He's just been kicked out of his apartment, his mom is dead, he has no money, he's like living in like a shitty place with his friends, he's at his lowest he can possibly get.
50:13
[SPEAKER_06]: at the local warball, right?
50:15
[SPEAKER_06]: It's even hard to say, warball, warball, yeah.
50:18
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm a sense they'd basketball and give a fuck.
50:22
[SPEAKER_06]: at the local basketball court there is a very famous basketball playing horse like the bad boy of the basketball realm than his rodman type if you will.
50:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Who has the cutest name, main attraction.
50:35
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the horse's name.
50:37
[SPEAKER_06]: That's really good.
50:38
[SPEAKER_06]: But he, I guess as a publicity stunt or something or just to make myself feel better, is challenging all the locals, anyway, who can stay in the ring with me in a very same-ramey spider-man kind of
50:48
[SPEAKER_06]: And of course nobody can and then our hero the goat says I'll do it and the guy just like ha ha ha ha and our hero By being talented
51:00
[SPEAKER_06]: And genuinely, while he uses his diminutive size to his advantage is able to score a couple of points.
51:08
[SPEAKER_06]: He doesn't win, but he's able to score a couple of points and that really knocks this celebrity down a peg.
51:15
[SPEAKER_06]: And of course, everyone films it on their phones, so it becomes a viral sensation, and now the worst basketball team in the league needs a novelty act to put butts in seed, so they say we're going to hire the goat.
51:27
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
51:28
[SPEAKER_06]: But unfortunately, the team is very divided and the best player on the team arguably the best basketball player in the world, even though they've ever been a team player, so they've never taken home a trophy, is a giant Panther played by Gabrielle Union.
51:43
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
51:43
[SPEAKER_06]: Awesome.
51:45
[SPEAKER_06]: I appreciate that roleball is just just a co-ed sport.
51:48
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a go-it's sport, it's a go-it's sport, herbivores, and carnivores both play, and there are apparently no rules about saying a smaller player.
51:57
[SPEAKER_06]: can't join in as well.
51:58
[SPEAKER_06]: It's just considered probably not a good idea.
52:02
[SPEAKER_06]: I appreciate just how completely yeah this movie argues that everyone should be allowed to play professional sports.
52:10
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah and I think that's a really important message right now.
52:12
[SPEAKER_06]: And I think that's really great.
52:14
[SPEAKER_06]: But it ends up which we're about this movie and I was surprised to discover it.
52:19
[SPEAKER_06]: It's an underdog story.
52:21
[SPEAKER_06]: Undergoats story.
52:22
[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's it's a very standard sports movie plot.
52:26
[SPEAKER_01]: He joins the joins the team.
52:29
[SPEAKER_01]: The team doesn't has a star player who's really cocky doesn't know how to be a team player and they slowly learn.
52:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, through, um, working together that they work, they would be able to play better if they learn to work together as a team.
52:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
52:40
[SPEAKER_01]: That's something an air bud.
52:42
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's, it's, it's an every sport movie.
52:44
[SPEAKER_06]: But it's, it's got a very going my way quality to it.
52:46
[SPEAKER_06]: It's kind of storytelling because the hero has nothing to learn.
52:50
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he has to teach.
52:52
[SPEAKER_01]: It's exactly the, he has to teach us hero how to be, it's morally fourth right as he is.
52:59
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, he has to, you have to reclaim your love of the game and remember that this isn't all about you.
53:03
[SPEAKER_06]: So ultimately, the real hard of the story.
53:06
[SPEAKER_06]: his Gabrielle unions character jet filmor is the name of it.
53:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they all have human name is by the one What would you what would it what would it name be now?
53:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm here now Well, I mean, but what is a what is the cat?
53:18
[SPEAKER_01]: The goat is named will Harris, but they call him Billy early in the film There we go.
53:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I got it kind of makes sense.
53:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but yeah, there's there's an ostrich.
53:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Her name is Olivia Burke
53:29
[SPEAKER_01]: What's an ostrich name?
53:31
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
53:31
[SPEAKER_06]: I understand like if a dog, we understand like, fight-out is a dog name.
53:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's an ostrich name.
53:36
[SPEAKER_01]: They call it like, feathers eggington.
53:38
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they could have given her like a funny animal name.
53:41
[SPEAKER_06]: You don't think that's a little on the nose?
53:44
[SPEAKER_01]: You could have been on those.
53:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Excuse me, you don't think that's a little on the beat?
53:47
[SPEAKER_01]: See they could have colored, you know, Finky, Biki, Biki McGraw, whatever they they don't do that no they don't have them human names and I I thought that was kind of cute Yeah, I also like in talking animal movies when they do animal stuff.
54:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so there's there's a great bit where we get to see jet film or the Panther character getting out of bed and she stretches like a cast like oh god
54:10
[SPEAKER_06]: There's a really good bit where she's like watching like TV or like on her phone or something and like on their sides her paws are making biscuits.
54:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
54:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she puts in some head phones at one point.
54:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, whatever Flicks on her music and it's like a meowing cat record.
54:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's kind of cute.
54:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
54:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I like a little date details like that.
54:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh fun.
54:27
[SPEAKER_01]: The design of this movie is fantastic.
54:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Really good.
54:30
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's unique I look at something like Zutopia and I guess I can't speak to Zutopia.
54:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It's making billions of dollars, but I feel I found it very bland
54:39
[SPEAKER_06]: It's very clean, it's very Disney, it's just basically we want everything to be easy to look at and be easy to read and that's not so bad but it is what it is.
54:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Disney is all throughout their history, you know, a century character design hasn't really changed all that much.
54:54
[SPEAKER_01]: It's never super different from the one that came before it.
54:57
[SPEAKER_01]: They tried to do it occasionally and those movies fail.
55:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at something like chicken little or meet the Robinson's, whether they're really trying to do different kinds of character designs.
55:05
[SPEAKER_01]: They then they dinosaur.
55:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Dinosaurs was very different.
55:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Then they go back to something like frozen, where they're just doing the same old, you know, big eye princess designs and just in CG this time.
55:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it makes a billion.
55:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Go get more inspired by Rango.
55:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Go has Rango is reminded of the most recent Ninja Turtles film where everything is like a exaggerated and it's really appealing kind of a way.
55:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the atmosphere of it.
55:29
[SPEAKER_01]: The city feels like it's just sort of like snaking through the hills and the jungles.
55:34
[SPEAKER_06]: They're like, they're like, in a, I forget it's like a vine linder, a vine town or something like that.
55:37
[SPEAKER_06]: And vines are literally crawling over everything.
55:40
[SPEAKER_06]: And a way that feels like it's not just like humans built this and we took over.
55:44
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like we really is built out of nature and that's very cold.
55:48
[SPEAKER_06]: Everything looks.
55:50
[SPEAKER_06]: very well thought out but also very interesting this is movie that wants you to be interested in fact i was actually really worried i saw the post i thought sorry saw the trailer for this couple of times before i saw the movie and i was unimpressed by the trailer the trailer of course is not the movie and i tried to disregard and even avoid trailers as much as possible but you know it was in front of the movie i was watching so we have to absorb it
56:13
[SPEAKER_06]: The trailer made this movie look like visual chaos.
56:17
[SPEAKER_06]: It was actually, a part of me wasn't looking forward to it because it's like the trailer zooms and strategies.
56:21
[SPEAKER_06]: A lot of fast cutting and because all the world was hyper detail, then everything was really exaggerated and the color scheme is sometimes skewing in the bunch of browns, which I'm not a huge fan of in animation, but it can work I guess.
56:37
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, I was worried it would just not read visually, but the actual film itself is much more mature and it's storytelling that it's still big.
56:47
[SPEAKER_06]: It's all broad.
56:48
[SPEAKER_06]: It's still silly.
56:49
[SPEAKER_06]: It's still full of really electrifying weird sports animations.
56:55
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that would look really fun to watch, but it's it's it's clearer than the trailer bit it seem.
57:00
[SPEAKER_06]: And so that's okay.
57:01
[SPEAKER_06]: That made me feel a lot a lot better when I was watching.
57:03
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, this is actually good.
57:08
[SPEAKER_06]: never judge a film by a strailer no which is ironic because that's what they want you to do but they always want you to judge it favorably it's not necessarily telling what the movie is and that's only what the movie's gonna look like even you just get the gist of it and hope for the best and in this case the movie showed me it's really good yeah and and like I was saying earlier i i'm so relieved that this seems to be made by a new generation of filmmakers
57:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you were talking to the wrong guy with the answer that.
57:38
[SPEAKER_01]: It's definitely also voiced the giraffe character.
57:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
57:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Steph Curry also didn't sing but his character sang a cover of Don't Dream.
57:46
[SPEAKER_01]: It's over, which is the credit house song that they play during the down moment where everything looks like it's worse.
57:54
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
57:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
57:57
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of my wife's favorites.
57:59
[SPEAKER_01]: So it came on.
57:59
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, hey, no.
58:02
[SPEAKER_06]: Hey now.
58:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, no.
58:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, no.
58:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, no.
58:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Dream it's over.
58:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Great song.
58:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the competitive dragon a lot the god of dragon was so damn funny Yeah Really voice fired fucking care voice by Nick Kroll Yeah, but it like gives him this weird kind of voice like I I deserve is anybody sitting there just by skin Yeah, I don't get that character.
58:22
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't understand that character But there's a consistency to it anyway that I knew that like is okay.
58:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say it I like that.
58:27
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, Kroll gets that care That's what I believe and I don't think I think my hat on that and I can just enjoy but
58:34
[SPEAKER_06]: That's there's a phrase we call it a cloud cuckoo lander Okay, just a character who's just fucking weird for the sake of weird That is one of the all-time best cloud cuckoo landers.
58:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen it a long time and I tend to love those characters Yeah, I always wish the movie is about them because they're way more interesting than the protagonist who has like Some shit figure out or has to go through a journey.
58:56
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like go with the cookie guys.
58:58
[SPEAKER_01]: He's figured it out on me
59:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I forgot what I was going to say.
59:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that the, um, this is not reliant on our knowledge or love of any kind of previous media, that it's not extending from IP, that it's not reliant on our familiarity with certain kinds of basketball terms.
59:19
[SPEAKER_01]: It takes place in a fantasy universe.
59:21
[SPEAKER_01]: The story is the only thing that's going to be familiar, but sports movies are clichés for a reason.
59:27
[SPEAKER_01]: They tend to work.
59:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
59:29
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about direct competition.
59:31
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a crowd somewhere structure a lot of the dramatically.
59:34
[SPEAKER_01]: It's easy to do because it is about direct competition.
59:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about the same people making these journeys, but it all culminates in a big triumph.
59:41
[SPEAKER_01]: If it's you're filming it excitingly and off and you're filming it with interesting characters, it's going to work.
59:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
59:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And it works in goat.
59:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I really enjoyed goat.
59:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what have won it?
59:51
[SPEAKER_01]: What a treat.
59:51
[SPEAKER_06]: Honestly, because again, I thought the trailer made it look quite bad, but yeah, that's really good.
59:57
[SPEAKER_06]: making them a trailer making something look quite bad.
59:59
[SPEAKER_06]: I was genuinely unimpressed by the previews for Crime 101.
1:00:04
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like crime movie 101.
1:00:07
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like right.
1:00:08
[SPEAKER_01]: That seemed like the audience tried to go for like the the most basic crime plot.
1:00:12
[SPEAKER_06]: Like the trailer was like Chris Hemsworth is a really great thief and Mark Ruffalo was trying to catch him and Holly Barry is in it.
1:00:21
[SPEAKER_06]: for some reason, and it just felt like it was like, it's like, we saw heat, but we didn't understand heat, so we're just trying to do it here.
1:00:28
[SPEAKER_06]: And to be fair, that's kind of true, but the movie is better than that.
1:00:31
[SPEAKER_06]: I'll give it credit.
1:00:32
[SPEAKER_06]: I was surprised to discover that the title, Crime 101, has nothing to do with a 101-classing college.
1:00:40
[SPEAKER_06]: It's the 101 Freeway.
1:00:42
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, no kidding.
1:00:43
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's a very very much an LA film.
1:00:46
[SPEAKER_06]: I wish it had something to say about LA because it kind of doesn't But it is very very committed to using LA's backdrop just like a good luck.
1:00:56
[SPEAKER_06]: I found out.
1:00:57
[UNKNOWN]: Bye
1:00:57
[SPEAKER_01]: very true reach all those more uh uh there's more iconography in crime 101 okay uh but uh uh crime 101 so there there there needs to be a hitchcock sequence in an LA crime movie where they're climbing up the gigantic green dress wearing violin player that you can see from the 101 uh interchange around uh downtown LA
1:01:18
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's big murals, you know, with the, I mean, I guess that player needs to be cool.
1:01:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Just rather than climbing up on, probably more or the Hollywood side, or Hollywood side.
1:01:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, obviously.
1:01:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Clim up those murals.
1:01:29
[SPEAKER_01]: That'd be fun.
1:01:29
[SPEAKER_01]: L.A. people would love that.
1:01:30
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, we do have great murals.
1:01:32
[SPEAKER_06]: You're a real great murals here, that's true.
1:01:35
[SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, the plot, such as it is, it's not a great plot.
1:01:39
[SPEAKER_06]: Cripsems worth his professional thief.
1:01:42
[SPEAKER_06]: He is such a great thief.
1:01:44
[SPEAKER_06]: that even though he has been striking all throughout Los Angeles for years, the only thing that connects his crimes, the only way you know that those were done by the same guy is because all of those crimes left zero evidence.
1:01:59
[SPEAKER_06]: Mark Ruffalo plays a cop who has noticed this and thinks that there's a serial thief out there and he's like, we gotta catch this thief.
1:02:08
[SPEAKER_06]: And I do appreciate there's a scene where he's saying, we gotta catch this thief and his boss is like,
1:02:13
[SPEAKER_06]: I do not care because here's the deal every time this let's assume this is your right We're we're catching other guys for these crimes like you don't un-solve a case You already convicted these people you're screwing us over by Bruce Delayless and I thought that was Very fitting this sort of casual police corruption
1:02:38
[SPEAKER_06]: I'll be a Mark Rufflow as on his trail, Chris Hemsworth is a very reserved but socially shy guy who has been committing all these crimes he wants to make enough money that he never has to worry about his safety ever again, and when a crime goes
1:02:54
[SPEAKER_06]: A little rod could have been worse, but it goes a little wrong at the beginning.
1:02:58
[SPEAKER_06]: He starts getting rattled and he actually cancels a heist.
1:03:02
[SPEAKER_06]: He was going to pull for Nick Nolty.
1:03:04
[SPEAKER_06]: Nick Nolty says, I'm still going to do the heist.
1:03:06
[SPEAKER_06]: So he gets very kick in to do it and very kick in is not a professional.
1:03:10
[SPEAKER_06]: He fucks it up real bad.
1:03:13
[SPEAKER_06]: He's he's he's he's great in playing a fucking like rogue actor in the movie.
1:03:19
[SPEAKER_06]: He just like, I don't know what the fuck that guy's going to do, but it's probably not good.
1:03:24
[SPEAKER_06]: He, uh, Cresemster is also, um, it falls in love with a regular, like a civilian type lady, uh, played by, um, oh, who was in, um, the Bob Dylan movie, what we got at Barbaro?
1:03:44
[SPEAKER_06]: Monica Barbaro.
1:03:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah, I think Barbaro helped me John by us.
1:03:49
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, help me please I'm floundering here.
1:03:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're a bad.
1:03:53
[SPEAKER_01]: It was gonna react.
1:03:54
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, so I know it's Barbaro something Barbaro Monica Barbaro.
1:04:01
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, I was right.
1:04:02
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
1:04:03
[SPEAKER_06]: God
1:04:04
[SPEAKER_06]: trying to be nuts.
1:04:04
[SPEAKER_06]: I was like looking at you still.
1:04:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, me.
1:04:07
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, and so that's very, very much the, uh, Robert DeNiro subplot and he where he's having a relationship, um, but she doesn't know he's a thief.
1:04:18
[SPEAKER_06]: Holly Barry is in it for a while and she plays an insurance investigator who is being screwed over by her sexist company and eventually we're going to see that Chris Hemzworth wants to use her, uh, to give him insight information so he can pull a big heist.
1:04:32
[SPEAKER_06]: Guys, hold moving.
1:04:33
[SPEAKER_06]: It doesn't have a lot of propulsion to it.
1:04:36
[SPEAKER_06]: There's not like really much of a ticking clock.
1:04:39
[SPEAKER_06]: The heaven's worth wants to raise the money, kind of just because he wants a lot of money.
1:04:44
[SPEAKER_06]: Not at a greed.
1:04:46
[SPEAKER_06]: We do find out that like, it's frustrating because I think all the actors in this movie are really good, especially Mark Rafflow.
1:04:54
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, Mark Rafflow is doing, he's doing Columbus.
1:04:58
[SPEAKER_06]: Right now he doesn't have the coat, but he has like the shitty car and he has like the sort of the the physical mannerisms, the way he like grubs his head like a little bit.
1:05:10
[SPEAKER_06]: His character isn't as good as detective, which is actually a little inconsistent because we're supposed to believe that he's like obsessed with catching this guy, but then we also find out he has like the lowest clearance rate of any detective.
1:05:20
[SPEAKER_06]: So being being obsessed over this case feels add a character for him and then ever really justify why he cares so much considering he barely doesn't most of the time That's not very well developed But Chris Hansworth character is Just weird hard to track doesn't really feel very interesting
1:05:41
[SPEAKER_06]: until very late in the movie without spelling it out.
1:05:48
[SPEAKER_06]: He reveals something about why he wants all this money.
1:05:53
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
1:05:54
[SPEAKER_06]: Again, it's vague, but it suggests something really, really terrible happened to him in his childhood.
1:06:01
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
1:06:01
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's one of the reasons why he is now very obsessive, compulsive, extremely socially shy and sexually naive, and I'm like, I'm reading this, and I'm like, I'm
1:06:12
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, you should have told us that a long time ago because that makes his character more sympathetic and more interesting and more understandable.
1:06:24
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, but instead you keep these important details that would have kept us engaged and invested in what's going on.
1:06:36
[SPEAKER_06]: You kept that as the twist.
1:06:38
[SPEAKER_06]: Don't give a shit.
1:06:39
[SPEAKER_06]: About the actual twist on the plot.
1:06:41
[SPEAKER_06]: Give us the character.
1:06:42
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:06:42
[SPEAKER_06]: Introduce.
1:06:43
[SPEAKER_06]: It's okay.
1:06:44
[SPEAKER_06]: You want to face and feel it a little later fine.
1:06:46
[SPEAKER_06]: You want to hint at a little harder.
1:06:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you've got to go away with that, but well, I haven't worked as much as I've snitched the last lost in the plot that you don't get the character bit until a little bit later.
1:06:56
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
1:06:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
1:06:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
1:06:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
1:06:57
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's easier.
1:06:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:06:57
[SPEAKER_06]: We've sent so much signs with him's worth and even Monica Barbara was like, I don't get you.
1:07:01
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm like, I don't either Monica.
1:07:04
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't get him.
1:07:05
[SPEAKER_06]: And now I finally do.
1:07:05
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm like, I really wish you told me that earlier.
1:07:10
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not very well thought out, but I will say this.
1:07:14
[SPEAKER_06]: This movie is really impressively photographed.
1:07:18
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, like it's very well executed.
1:07:21
[SPEAKER_06]: It's based on a done Winslow novella, I'm unfamiliar with it, but that might be worth a lot, some people who's famous author.
1:07:30
[SPEAKER_06]: Plot-wise, it's not very interesting, it does not have very propulsive, but it is directed with Panache.
1:07:38
[SPEAKER_06]: There's a slickness to it, there's interesting camera angles, there's a really, really good, just sort of professional quality to it that I miss.
1:07:49
[SPEAKER_06]: Like there's a bit in the movie where,
1:07:53
[SPEAKER_06]: Hemmsworth and Ruffalo finally get a scene together.
1:07:56
[SPEAKER_06]: And Ruffalo mentions that Chris Hemmsworth's mentioned Steve McQueen.
1:08:02
[SPEAKER_06]: and ruffalo's like I'm surprised kids people your age even know who Steve McQueen was who like yeah fucking love bullet and I'm like that's what this movie is going for it's going for that bullet kind of steely steely mature confident not any huge rush but pushing things forward perspective and if the script were better it could have pulled that off the direction is there the script is unfortunately not as good so it's not a washing pack overall it's pretty good
1:08:31
[SPEAKER_06]: But it's one of the situations where I feel like I need to talk about what doesn't work, not because it's a bad movie and I need to warn you away, but because someone needs to point out how close this got to grade.
1:08:43
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
1:08:43
[SPEAKER_06]: This could have been great.
1:08:45
[SPEAKER_06]: If you had...
1:08:47
[SPEAKER_06]: Really, really dug into the characters.
1:08:50
[SPEAKER_06]: There is one scene with Chris Hemsworth and Barry Kiggen where they have any sort of conversation.
1:08:57
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's nothing is happening.
1:08:59
[SPEAKER_06]: These are two characters who obviously have a lot of parallels in their lives.
1:09:02
[SPEAKER_06]: And you could have had, wouldn't have been the same, obviously.
1:09:06
[SPEAKER_06]: But you could have had that Al Pacino, Robert DeNiro conversation between them.
1:09:11
[SPEAKER_06]: And he, you could have had that.
1:09:12
[SPEAKER_06]: You could have had that between Hemsworth and Rufflo.
1:09:13
[SPEAKER_06]: You're just not digging into the meat of it.
1:09:17
[SPEAKER_06]: You're just hoping that style and general crime miss crime 101, if you will, well, just carry you through.
1:09:28
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:09:28
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's not a great script, but it is solidly directed and overall if you like crime movies, it's not bad.
1:09:34
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
1:09:35
[SPEAKER_06]: I really want you to, I've heard.
1:09:38
[SPEAKER_06]: I heard nothing about it, and then I started to hear little trickles, okay.
1:09:42
[SPEAKER_06]: People saying this movie is really, really great.
1:09:44
[SPEAKER_06]: And now a lot of people I know have seen it and say it's wonderful.
1:09:47
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm curious if you would agree.
1:09:49
[SPEAKER_06]: What is Nirvana the Band The Show The Movie?
1:09:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Nirvana the band to show the movie is based on a TV series, so as I said earlier, called Nirvana the band to the show.
1:10:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it is about these two loser guys.
1:10:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, one of them is a very talented musician.
1:10:07
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a pianist.
1:10:09
[SPEAKER_01]: He's played by James Carroll.
1:10:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And these guys kind of play versions of themselves in this show.
1:10:14
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like this mockumentary style gorilla handheld camera works.
1:10:18
[SPEAKER_06]: It's an interesting kind of fake band.
1:10:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and they call themselves Nirvana, but to distinguish themselves from the better, the better known Nirvana, they call themselves Nirvana, the band.
1:10:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, also, it has three ends in it.
1:10:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Two ends.
1:10:34
[SPEAKER_01]: No, three.
1:10:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, three, and I are V-A-N-N-A, Nirvana, yeah.
1:10:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Three ends.
1:10:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:10:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is the movie based on Nirvana, the band, the show.
1:10:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
1:10:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So Nirvana band, the show, the movie.
1:10:50
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a very wonderfully strange movie.
1:10:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Yay!
1:10:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Made on a shoe strand.
1:10:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is made for like $2 million right.
1:10:58
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's made years after they debut of this show.
1:11:03
[SPEAKER_01]: The show has been on and off since like 2008.
1:11:04
[SPEAKER_01]: This is still on now.
1:11:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it might still be on.
1:11:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd have to look into the actual run of the TV series.
1:11:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I was not aware of the TV series before this movie.
1:11:13
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's Canadian, right?
1:11:14
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Canadian.
1:11:14
[SPEAKER_06]: It hasn't really made its way down.
1:11:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And in fact, this is a very Canada forward movie.
1:11:19
[SPEAKER_01]: takes place in Toronto.
1:11:20
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a big, big sequence of many sequences.
1:11:23
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, they're all the CN to our in Toronto.
1:11:27
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, there's a sequence right at the beginning where the thinker of the pair, Matt Johnson, who also directed the film, says I have a great idea for a way to their goal in life is to get a gig at this little club in Toronto called the
1:11:44
[SPEAKER_01]: And they figure like, they don't know how to go about getting a gig in the ordinary way.
1:11:49
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't know how to get an agent.
1:11:50
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't know how to go into the club and say, hey, are you looking for me?
1:11:53
[SPEAKER_06]: Is it like, is it like CBGBs?
1:11:55
[SPEAKER_06]: Is it like a famous club where a lot of cool bands got started?
1:11:57
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just random fun.
1:11:58
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just some random club.
1:12:00
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the one they focused on.
1:12:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And they've been focusing on it for 17 years.
1:12:06
[SPEAKER_01]: They've not been able to get a gig, they don't play songs, but the Mad Johnson character keeps on thinking of these schemes, these like high-end schemes on how they can get a gig, and they decide, wait a minute, if we jump off the CN Tower into the nearby Blue Jays Stadium, and we parachute in there, we skydive into the stadium, then everyone will say, wow, what a cool band, and we'll say, yeah, come see us at the Riverley, and the Riverley will have to book us.
1:12:36
[SPEAKER_01]: right.
1:12:38
[SPEAKER_01]: They go to the top of the sea and tower.
1:12:40
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't have permits to do this.
1:12:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh no.
1:12:42
[SPEAKER_01]: They actually, there's a scene of them going to, and there's some documentary footage of them actually interacting with people.
1:12:47
[SPEAKER_01]: So they go to a store and they say, hey, if we needed to cut through a safety hardest could be used.
1:12:53
[SPEAKER_01]: This, this tool at the hardware store.
1:12:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And the guy says, don't do that.
1:12:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I could have this guy's not an actor as like a don't do that.
1:13:02
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, well, I mean, but we could do that and he's like, I'm a libertarian You can do whatever you want, but I don't advise There's some fun like and interact with them But probably like they go up there.
1:13:13
[SPEAKER_01]: They actually do cut through like in real life through their safety cables and actually jump off the sea An hour with parachutes on that was all like they actually did that like Jack the actors themselves actually did that
1:13:25
[SPEAKER_06]: That's not advisable.
1:13:27
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
1:13:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And it doesn't work.
1:13:31
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't work.
1:13:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's bad weather.
1:13:32
[SPEAKER_01]: They close the stadium because it's covered and they just land on top.
1:13:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, oh, shoot.
1:13:39
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the introduction to this movie.
1:13:42
[UNKNOWN]: OK.
1:13:42
[SPEAKER_01]: After that goes a rye, the jamema carol character starts to have some doubts about what he's been doing with the last 17 years of his life.
1:13:49
[SPEAKER_01]: He's trying to get these wacky schemes with his best friend.
1:13:52
[SPEAKER_01]: It says, and he decides to get like go to an open mic and item Ottawa.
1:13:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to start over.
1:13:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, the Johnson character says, wait a minute, if we claim to be from the future, and like he's coming up with a clear scheme, and we can set up our RVs if it's like the time machine from back to the future, because we love back to the future, and we can travel back in time, he comes up with this really elaborate plan, and he takes with him a bottle of orbits.
1:14:20
[SPEAKER_01]: which is a huge plot point in this movie.
1:14:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember Orbits?
1:14:22
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, God, I remember Orbits.
1:14:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was for sale for like two months in 1999.
1:14:26
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it was a glass bottle with like a fruit drink in it and it had little, it's like Boba.
1:14:32
[SPEAKER_06]: It was like Boba, wasn't Boba because it was suspended.
1:14:35
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:14:35
[SPEAKER_06]: And like it would actually even load in the road.
1:14:37
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and it looked neat.
1:14:39
[SPEAKER_06]: It looked like a cartoon drink.
1:14:41
[SPEAKER_06]: And I never had any, but I just recently watched a YouTube video of a guy who tried to remake the recipe and he said it was great.
1:14:50
[SPEAKER_01]: The flavor was too candy like I did have some orbits back in the day.
1:14:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I got it at a 99 cent store after it already been discontinued And only if only a few months passed the expiration No, it was it was still hadn't been actually still hadn't expired yet, but in order to get those gelatin balls to float in the orbits They had to make the density of the drink the same as the gelatin kind of viscous.
1:15:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it was like drinking.
1:15:14
[SPEAKER_01]: It was too syrupy for me
1:15:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I was too syrupy for most people, which is white fail.
1:15:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember juice squeezes?
1:15:20
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not about squeeze.
1:15:21
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, before we squeeze, it's regret.
1:15:26
[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about squeeze.
1:15:26
[SPEAKER_01]: It's recently on one of our podcasts.
1:15:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember which one.
1:15:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I just liked squeeze in them.
1:15:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:15:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:15:32
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a soft plastic squeeze models that you could not refill a recycle.
1:15:35
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
1:15:36
[SPEAKER_06]: I didn't grasp.
1:15:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
1:15:38
[SPEAKER_01]: He has a bottle of orbits.
1:15:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And while he's building this sort of fake time machine, he spills into his fake flux capacitor, which turns the RV into a real time machine, and they travel back in time to 2008.
1:15:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
1:15:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a $2 million film.
1:15:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how they recreated 2008, also, they go to meet their younger selves and there's footage of them in the present, interacting with their past selves, clearly filmed in 2008.
1:16:09
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is a long-term project that they have been planted in a long time.
1:16:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, this is like, boy, is that actually true?
1:16:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it is, because I don't know how they could affect any of that.
1:16:21
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, you work around the footage, you got, I, wow.
1:16:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I am well done again, but they're going that far with this
1:16:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, all right, so you're impressed.
1:16:34
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm impressed and because it's so wild and ambitious, I'm actually like getting on board with this stuff.
1:16:42
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, they're not content to rest on that.
1:16:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So they start getting into back to the future parallel.
1:16:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Time lines and the climax is the same as back to the future where they have to connect something to create an electrical current in the right spot at the right time.
1:17:01
[SPEAKER_01]: It's clearly a love letter to Toronto because they're just wandering around the streets of Toronto.
1:17:05
[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to sort of pay homage to the ridiculousness of the Toronto streets.
1:17:14
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not seeing that this was in production for for seven zane years.
1:17:18
[SPEAKER_06]: It was shot over the course of 200 days with a crew between four and eight people.
1:17:21
[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds about right.
1:17:22
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks, it looks it and oh, it also, their camera man goes back in time.
1:17:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the reason I suspect they had to,
1:17:32
[SPEAKER_01]: they cut this with footage they shot many years ago is because there's a sequence where they say we got to go out in the street and get help now that we've gone back in time to the year 2008 and they say well what about our camera man look at that thing he's carrying they don't have those things in 2008 it's like just grab that old camera and they suddenly shift to 2008 your camera technology so i think they did that so it could match with the camera technology they shot the initial footage that makes fun with i i just like absolutely
1:18:00
[SPEAKER_06]: So they did a lot of like stunts in like real life, right?
1:18:02
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:18:03
[SPEAKER_06]: And this isn't the opening stunt you talked about.
1:18:05
[SPEAKER_06]: But apparently they did one big stunt.
1:18:06
[SPEAKER_06]: They said that in order to do stuff in public without permits and not get arrested, you plan it around other stuff.
1:18:12
[SPEAKER_06]: So there's chaos.
1:18:12
[SPEAKER_06]: So they shot one of their doing stunts during the air.
1:18:14
[SPEAKER_01]: During the air is tour.
1:18:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Tarot Taylor Swift was in Toronto at that time.
1:18:18
[SPEAKER_06]: That's fucking great.
1:18:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And they could just be caught a cookie and people would would not.
1:18:22
[SPEAKER_06]: That's not that's not the weirdest thing
1:18:24
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a wonderful bit where, like in the middle of the climax, they're just out in the streets and they're just filming without permits.
1:18:31
[SPEAKER_01]: So people are passing by and like filming them and looking in the laughing.
1:18:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, no, no, I got to do it.
1:18:35
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, come over here, help me stranger off of the street that we're going to rope into our movie.
1:18:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And they get this French tourist.
1:18:43
[SPEAKER_01]: She comes over.
1:18:43
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, hold this for me.
1:18:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you, are you visiting from out of town?
1:18:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm from France.
1:18:48
[SPEAKER_01]: French Canada or France.
1:18:51
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we're from France.
1:18:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's that's pretty cool.
1:18:53
[SPEAKER_01]: You speak English.
1:18:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Not a lot.
1:18:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay They left all that and ready
1:18:59
[SPEAKER_01]: There's this weird sweet earnestness to kind of how shabby this is, how they're clearly just shooting on a shoe string, trying to tell a really big story with like eight people.
1:19:10
[SPEAKER_01]: It can be done!
1:19:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah!
1:19:12
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it helped that they had like a little bit of cult cloud behind whatever fame the TV series had.
1:19:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:19:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how recognized these two guys would have been on the streets of Toronto.
1:19:24
[SPEAKER_01]: You do see a lot of security guards floating around.
1:19:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they're floating around They're asking suspicious questions, but this is Canada.
1:19:33
[SPEAKER_01]: These aren't American security guards We're gonna talk you to the ground.
1:19:35
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like when they're sneaking up those little wire Clippers up into the top of the sea and tower They say oh, I need those because look my pants are like really torn and if I get a threat I need to cut it off and so we actually get to see like and his face is blurred out the security Guard just saying this guy's got some clippers can can he bring them up?
1:19:52
[SPEAKER_01]: What does he need them for?
1:19:54
[SPEAKER_01]: He says it's a clipper's pants.
1:19:57
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's fine Like you could tell these guys are just bored They don't deal with a lot of violence and the filmmakers are not up to anything on tour Oh, I think they're in college, but like yeah, you know, I was I was talking about this I was thinking about the the stunt quality and like doing a live doing for in a real people without pervince or without any expectation and Thinking about AI
1:20:19
[SPEAKER_06]: And like some people are like, oh, you can't do stuff like this with you.
1:20:22
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't do stuff like this with you.
1:20:23
[SPEAKER_06]: But like, people are, there was that clip that came out earlier like a week ago or something.
1:20:29
[SPEAKER_06]: And it was an AI video of Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt fistfighting.
1:20:33
[SPEAKER_06]: And it looked like shit, but Brad and Thomas were realistic enough, but the filmmaking was terrible, the fight choreography was terrible, the bass sounds were weird, we were not a focus, we're not a focus, there was no creative visionary thing like that, but like people are like, oh, this is gonna be the end of us all, and I'm like, you can't...
1:20:55
[SPEAKER_06]: do this with these guys are doing in AI because the fact that you're really doing it is part of it.
1:21:04
[SPEAKER_06]: I was thinking about like even even like back in the eighties this was important like Jackie Chan made a big part of his career showing his face in a stun because he wanted to prove he was doing normally you get a stun guy to do it and it's wise to do so those guys know what they're doing but Jackie Chan's like if I'm going to do it myself
1:21:21
[SPEAKER_06]: I won't be able to know that we risked the star and often the director's life to just get it a little shot of a guy jumping off building.
1:21:31
[SPEAKER_06]: I want you to know that we really did it because that is the selling point.
1:21:36
[SPEAKER_06]: Anyone get the twin reasons, like a lot of things that like were cool in action movies in the 80s are ho-hum now because we know it's cool that the character did it but it's no longer cool that the movie did it.
1:21:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I've said this before, something I've always liked, I will
1:21:53
[SPEAKER_01]: likely enjoy an action movie that was made for a million dollars in the streets of a city in northern California.
1:22:02
[SPEAKER_01]: More than a $200 million CGI spectacular because the guys shooting out in the desert really blew up that car.
1:22:13
[SPEAKER_01]: They really jumped a car over something.
1:22:15
[SPEAKER_01]: They actually had to hire somebody who was going to put his life at risk.
1:22:18
[SPEAKER_01]: jumping a motorcycle over something.
1:22:20
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not the risk necessarily that I'm being drawn to, but the fact that they actually did it, and I'm actually watching a real car blow up.
1:22:28
[SPEAKER_01]: These scenes are kind of telling the story of its own making, and I find that really intriguing.
1:22:32
[SPEAKER_06]: Right, because if you see something cool happen in a movie, you want to imagine that that actually happened as opposed to, I just watched an animated thing which can be fine.
1:22:42
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but there's an extra thrill, you know?
1:22:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I want to have one real.
1:22:45
[SPEAKER_01]: What I see could have been there.
1:22:46
[SPEAKER_01]: When I see a, you know, cars flying through the air and CG because there's some monster with psychic powers throwing them all around.
1:22:54
[SPEAKER_01]: And an intellectual level, I see that's kind of exciting.
1:22:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:22:57
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's not because I, I know it's faked.
1:23:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:23:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Nirvana, the band, the show, the movie is pointedly not faked.
1:23:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:23:08
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's just,
1:23:16
[SPEAKER_06]: Great.
1:23:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so yeah, I had a great time.
1:23:18
[SPEAKER_06]: That's awesome.
1:23:18
[SPEAKER_06]: I got to take this out.
1:23:19
[SPEAKER_06]: All right moving on.
1:23:20
[SPEAKER_06]: I got two more movies.
1:23:23
[SPEAKER_06]: I Love I also love the movie, but I love the way this movie explains itself and it's called the buy design It's written and directed by a full-making demand a cramer And It is about a woman who swaps bodies with a chair and I want to read you the Wikipedia summary of this movie
1:23:47
[SPEAKER_06]: A woman swaps bodies with a chair that's it.
1:23:52
[SPEAKER_06]: That's the movie.
1:23:53
[SPEAKER_06]: There's more to it than that, but not much.
1:23:55
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, it's an extremely stylized movie.
1:23:58
[SPEAKER_06]: It feels like, um, did you ever see, I know I'm pretty sure you did.
1:24:03
[SPEAKER_06]: Did you ever see the big picture?
1:24:05
[SPEAKER_06]: But Kevin Bacon actually haven't seen the bass.
1:24:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
1:24:07
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they picture fun movie Kevin Bacon plays a I was like in the late 80s Kevin Bacon plays a film student Just graduated.
1:24:15
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean wants to make an art house movie and he tries to sell this movie He'll like one-on-a-word out of film school trying to sell this movie around town with every pitch meeting
1:24:25
[SPEAKER_06]: And the movie gets more and more commercial.
1:24:28
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
1:24:29
[SPEAKER_06]: It's about three people who go to a cabin and they celebrate and they talk about their...
1:24:34
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like the player.
1:24:35
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they talk about their emotions and it's all done in black and white and the producer's like, stop you right there.
1:24:40
[SPEAKER_06]: You can't do black and white.
1:24:42
[SPEAKER_06]: They don't even make cameras that do that anymore.
1:24:45
[SPEAKER_06]: And in first off, that was bullshit.
1:24:46
[SPEAKER_06]: But secondly, that was just like, it's inatimate.
1:24:49
[SPEAKER_06]: We don't do black and white.
1:24:50
[SPEAKER_06]: So now the movie's in color.
1:24:51
[SPEAKER_06]: And then all of a sudden it moves from,
1:24:53
[SPEAKER_06]: a cabin to the beach and everyone's in bikinis and now all of a sudden the bikinis are ghosts and then they just get worse and worse and worse.
1:25:00
[SPEAKER_06]: But the movie has this really fun, only semi-untrue idea of what film-student art house movies were in like the late 80s and 90s,
1:25:18
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, it just bizarre concoctions.
1:25:21
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like whatever movie Steve Bushemi was trying to make and living in oblivion, that's like by design.
1:25:27
[SPEAKER_04]: The movement.
1:25:29
[SPEAKER_06]: All right everything is hyper stylized Juliet Lewis lives in an apartment where like she has a fireplace But she just puts a lamp in there and it's like everything is really just stark and very pretty But very unlived in and all feels like a set in like a local theater production made with a little bit of Panache
1:25:50
[SPEAKER_06]: Juliet Lewis, Samantha, Mathis, and Robin Tunney, I love them.
1:25:56
[SPEAKER_06]: Great trio.
1:25:57
[SPEAKER_06]: Great to have them in board.
1:25:58
[SPEAKER_06]: They are their middle age women, they're all friends, and they have lunch together.
1:26:03
[SPEAKER_06]: And Juliet Lewis feels always like she's kind of on the out of that threesome because she makes less money than the other two and they're a little bit domineering.
1:26:14
[SPEAKER_06]: They decide to go shopping for a chair.
1:26:19
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, so they go to a chair store and the chair store and you've been to a chair store.
1:26:23
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a big empty room with a chair on the middle.
1:26:27
[SPEAKER_06]: Now one single chair, it's about a, it's about two dozen completely different random chairs, just positioned at all different angles with no rhyme or reason.
1:26:36
[SPEAKER_06]: And you're just supposed to wander around and go, hmm, look at that chair and they're not finding any chairs that they like.
1:26:42
[SPEAKER_06]: And then finally, Julie at Louis sees a chair.
1:26:45
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
1:26:46
[SPEAKER_06]: damn it's a good chair.
1:26:48
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
1:26:48
[SPEAKER_06]: It's really just a good chair.
1:26:52
[SPEAKER_06]: It's wood.
1:26:53
[SPEAKER_06]: It's got arms.
1:26:55
[SPEAKER_06]: You can sit in it.
1:26:56
[SPEAKER_06]: Everything feels symmetrical.
1:26:59
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know enough about chairs.
1:27:00
[SPEAKER_06]: I know if this is a particularly good chair or not, but it's a nice chair.
1:27:04
[SPEAKER_06]: And when she hears what Samantha Mathis and Robin Tunney are saying about the chair, Julia Lewis realizes, I need that chair.
1:27:13
[SPEAKER_06]: I need to have that chair because no one talks about me that way and at least I'll have a product that people envy, but she's not sure if she can make it work with her budget so she's asked, what time do you open the morning?
1:27:27
[SPEAKER_06]: I'll figure it out by that.
1:27:28
[SPEAKER_06]: She goes at 11 a.m. Dammit, the chair is already sold, darn, and now she can't have that chair and she asks, can I just have a minute,
1:27:40
[SPEAKER_06]: with the chair and the sales person's like, you know, anything weird, right?
1:27:45
[SPEAKER_06]: She's like, no, okay, good.
1:27:47
[SPEAKER_06]: And then Julia Lewis sits behind the chair and hugs the chair and wishes she was the chair.
1:27:54
[SPEAKER_06]: And then she's the chair.
1:27:58
[SPEAKER_06]: The chair does not move.
1:28:00
[SPEAKER_06]: The chair is just a chair, but now Julia Lewis is in there or so we're told.
1:28:04
[SPEAKER_06]: Meanwhile, Julia Lewis's body is presumably
1:28:11
[SPEAKER_06]: She's just limp on the floor, and everyone's like, what do we do with her now?
1:28:15
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
1:28:16
[SPEAKER_06]: Robin, Tony, and Samantha, Matt's like, are you okay?
1:28:18
[SPEAKER_06]: We should take her home.
1:28:19
[SPEAKER_06]: They take her home.
1:28:20
[SPEAKER_06]: They still have conversations with her, but they just think she's a really good listener now.
1:28:25
[SPEAKER_06]: And they start like, everyone starts liking her better this way.
1:28:28
[SPEAKER_00]: She's a chair.
1:28:29
[SPEAKER_06]: Because she's a chair, and everyone's just like, you know you're right.
1:28:32
[SPEAKER_06]: we do talk too much.
1:28:34
[SPEAKER_06]: We should be more comfortable with silence.
1:28:35
[SPEAKER_06]: It's thank you, right?
1:28:37
[SPEAKER_06]: This has been really life-changing for me.
1:28:39
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a Marina Brahmavitch, the artist's present, which is just sitting there and not talking to you.
1:28:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:28:45
[SPEAKER_06]: It's in a cross from our, and that's the exhibit.
1:28:47
[SPEAKER_06]: Meanwhile, Julia Lewis, the chair, has been purchased by a woman who has bought the chair for her soon to be ex-boyfriend.
1:28:56
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe he has been a little hazy on that
1:29:00
[SPEAKER_06]: And he doesn't have anything else except this chair.
1:29:03
[SPEAKER_06]: And he starts to really love this chair.
1:29:05
[SPEAKER_06]: When he goes to dinner parties, he brings his own chair.
1:29:07
[SPEAKER_06]: I think people are like, wow, that's a really good chair.
1:29:10
[SPEAKER_06]: Can I sit in this chair?
1:29:11
[SPEAKER_06]: And he's like, no.
1:29:12
[SPEAKER_06]: And they try to pull him off of the chair.
1:29:14
[SPEAKER_06]: Because everyone wants the chair.
1:29:15
[SPEAKER_06]: The point of the movie is, I think, too fold.
1:29:19
[SPEAKER_06]: But predominantly, it's predominantly, it is about the fucked-up way in which society values or devalues women.
1:29:29
[SPEAKER_06]: as objects as property or something to be desired as something that where we're designability is important part of it's something to be pursued it's something that that makes you better but the irony of course is that by removing all all such concerns and just sort of existing ironically happiness is more within someone's reach.
1:29:57
[SPEAKER_06]: It's kind of on the nose.
1:29:58
[SPEAKER_06]: There's a really kind of fucked up subplot with Clifton Collins, where he tries to do something really terrible, but the fact that she's not reacting makes him get really self-reflective.
1:30:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
1:30:09
[SPEAKER_06]: And a way that's clearly like, it's fucked up, but we know it's fucked up and it's challenging and we're going somewhere with this, but it is darker than the rest of the movie for a minute.
1:30:18
[SPEAKER_06]: So you should be aware that that's coming, but
1:30:22
[SPEAKER_06]: And one more thing, one of the last performances of Udo Kier, he's the guy who designed the chair.
1:30:27
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, he's great, of course he's a Udo Kier.
1:30:30
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a very artsy, fartsy watch.
1:30:36
[SPEAKER_06]: And that is not a bad thing.
1:30:37
[SPEAKER_06]: That is a neutral thing.
1:30:39
[SPEAKER_01]: But you should know that this is like, I know we use the term, it has farting.
1:30:43
[SPEAKER_01]: It artsy, fartsy is meant to be a bit of a disparage amount.
1:30:46
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I don't know.
1:30:46
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm trying to think of a better word but that really conveys what I'm trying to get at.
1:30:50
[SPEAKER_06]: I feel like film school is gonna do it for some people but not others.
1:30:53
[SPEAKER_06]: And I don't mean film school as an amateurish or naive.
1:30:57
[SPEAKER_06]: Just a very particular mannered aesthetic.
1:31:01
[SPEAKER_06]: But it is all about conveying meaning.
1:31:05
[SPEAKER_06]: through a certain amount of fakeness, and I respected admire that, I think there's movie has a definite vibe, I think there's movie has something to say, I do think it's saying the same thing over and over again and probably would have been better as a short.
1:31:23
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a pretty stretched thing as a movie.
1:31:25
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not going to lie, but it's always fun to see Julia Lewis and Robin Toney.
1:31:30
[SPEAKER_06]: It's an anthem, Mathis, Melanie Griffith plays the narrator.
1:31:33
[SPEAKER_06]: She's really, you know, doing her job well.
1:31:36
[SPEAKER_06]: There's a lot to like about it, but only if you like very particular artsy films.
1:31:43
[SPEAKER_06]: If not, this movie will be annoying or boring.
1:31:48
[SPEAKER_06]: And that sucks.
1:31:49
[SPEAKER_06]: If you think that if you feel like maybe you went into this kind of movie, you should check it out.
1:31:54
[SPEAKER_06]: Just know, this is what it is on purpose.
1:31:56
[SPEAKER_06]: This isn't because it's bad.
1:31:58
[SPEAKER_06]: It's because it's avant-garde.
1:32:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:32:03
[SPEAKER_01]: But enjoy.
1:32:03
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
1:32:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:32:04
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a good thing to be.
1:32:05
[SPEAKER_06]: But it's not for everybody.
1:32:06
[SPEAKER_06]: So I feel like it's worth describing.
1:32:08
[SPEAKER_06]: And then lastly, there's a movie called Cold Storage.
1:32:13
[SPEAKER_06]: Which stars hold on?
1:32:14
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know these young people's names Jo Kiri from Stranger Things.
1:32:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's one of the stranger things.
1:32:19
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and Georgina Campbell Who has she was in something I like hang on Okay, no Why didn't like barbarian, but she was she was good in barbarian.
1:32:30
[SPEAKER_06]: She was an influencer.
1:32:30
[SPEAKER_06]: I love the influencer.
1:32:31
[SPEAKER_06]: She was good Okay, yeah some last year
1:32:35
[SPEAKER_06]: They work at a storage facility, you know, your storage facility, you like buy a big, like, you know, locker or like sort of garage type area.
1:32:45
[SPEAKER_06]: But anything you want in there, and so I was in the lambs, they put a severed head, because you got to put it somewhere.
1:32:52
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't just leave those things lying around.
1:32:55
[SPEAKER_06]: No, and it's kind of a boring job.
1:32:57
[SPEAKER_06]: You just sort of sit in there every once in a while.
1:32:58
[SPEAKER_06]: You let people enter their locker.
1:33:00
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:33:00
[SPEAKER_06]: The thing is, this particular storage facility,
1:33:04
[SPEAKER_06]: used to be a government storage facility, and when the government abandoned it, they also abandoned a lot of stuff there, including a killer space fungus that has been in cold storage this whole time.
1:33:18
[SPEAKER_06]: And they believed that based on the technology that they had, this thing would be functionally frozen forever and they never have to worry about and they could just leave it there.
1:33:27
[SPEAKER_06]: It's bad planning, but it's US government so I buy it.
1:33:30
[SPEAKER_06]: And then at some point, they say, like, listen, the only thing that could possibly go wrong is if climate change was real and it messed up with all, like, the local, uh, uh, temperature and the, and the water system and everything like that, that's the only way anything could go wrong.
1:33:48
[SPEAKER_06]: And Lee and Mason's like, mm-hmm.
1:33:50
[SPEAKER_06]: So these two, the two use,
1:33:54
[SPEAKER_06]: uh... uh... uh... stranger things in dardina Campbell uh... they ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
1:34:23
[SPEAKER_06]: Hulk and like a couple of the Marvel characters and then it was Emma Stone and poor things and the quote was poor things.
1:34:30
[SPEAKER_06]: I need you to distract Kang Just being recruited.
1:34:35
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, as poor things.
1:34:36
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you Anyway, stranger things no relation to poor things
1:34:43
[SPEAKER_06]: They they find this fungus and you'd think they would be the ones to unleash it, but it turns out that was going to happen anyway So the first act and kind of the whole idea of an inciting incident or kind of thrown out the window But the fungus gets out.
1:34:57
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a space fungus.
1:34:58
[SPEAKER_06]: It infects people and it causes them to walk around like zombies It wants to infect other people and they like explode into spores
1:35:07
[SPEAKER_06]: And if these spores get out, it's like the thing, humanities doomed within a certain amount of time.
1:35:13
[SPEAKER_06]: So they call the government for help, the government calls Liam Neeson, who comes in at a retirement along with Leslie Manville, to solve the problem.
1:35:21
[SPEAKER_06]: But we're not sure for a long time if they're going to solve the problem by saving stranger things in Georgina Campbell or by just nuking the whole site.
1:35:30
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, it's got a very return of the Living Dead vibe to it.
1:35:33
[SPEAKER_06]: And that they clearly saw Return of the Living Dead, but they couldn't capture the town.
1:35:38
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, okay.
1:35:39
[SPEAKER_06]: Cool storage is a hard movie to hate.
1:35:42
[SPEAKER_06]: It is really nothing wrong with it.
1:35:46
[SPEAKER_06]: It just not particularly good at it, either.
1:35:50
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, that's a good thing.
1:35:50
[SPEAKER_06]: It's very iconic.
1:35:52
[SPEAKER_06]: It probably could have used a bit more urgency.
1:35:54
[SPEAKER_06]: Like all of like, it's like that, it's kind of like a 90s indie work comedy vibe.
1:35:59
[SPEAKER_06]: But in order for that to work, you need everyone to just sort of be bored and hanging out all the time.
1:36:05
[SPEAKER_06]: but it's also a killer space zombie movie and that needs emergency.
1:36:09
[SPEAKER_06]: So the urgency is ruining the chill comedy vibes you've got with the kids and the chill comedy vibes is making all of like the sci-fi stuff a little less exciting.
1:36:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it all just kind of, it's a delicate balance, and it's like if we could do like genre comedy blends well, we'd be doing them all the time.
1:36:32
[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that they're so rare is just proof that it's their difficult to think to wrangle.
1:36:37
[SPEAKER_06]: Like I want, there should be like,
1:36:40
[SPEAKER_06]: in like the basement of every movie studio you should there's like an alchemist right and it's like okay i need uh i need a draft i need uh some tremors and i'm going to need a lot of night of the uh sorry i'm not highly ready to return to the living dead and uh a heaping portion of mole rats that's what i need can we can we can you condense all of that and then i can just like
1:37:07
[SPEAKER_06]: a beast of the film stock in it.
1:37:09
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is, it's such a pity that we only have one Joe Dante.
1:37:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it sounds like that's what they're going for.
1:37:17
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going for Dante kind of, yeah.
1:37:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Like flippant genre comedy where the genre stuff is taken relatively seriously and that's a natural threat, but the ultimate tone is one that's like a little bit satirical.
1:37:29
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:37:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Joe Dante was a master of that.
1:37:31
[SPEAKER_06]: Joe Dante was an existently good at it.
1:37:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what he did.
1:37:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of, I guess, fell out of fashion after a while.
1:37:36
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, it was very rarely a huge hit, unfortunately.
1:37:39
[SPEAKER_06]: People liked it.
1:37:41
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think it did really well on home video, but like without that, people just didn't go see his movies and draws very often.
1:37:48
[SPEAKER_06]: Gremlins being a huge exception.
1:37:51
[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, it's unfortunate because that can be really, really great.
1:37:56
[SPEAKER_06]: And the Johnny Campbell directed this.
1:37:57
[SPEAKER_06]: He's done a lot of TV that a couple of really good episodes of Dr. Who.
1:38:00
[SPEAKER_06]: He did the Vincent Vengoth episode of Dr. Who, which is a classic.
1:38:06
[SPEAKER_06]: I think part of it is the material is a really awkward mishmash of two genres that don't actually blend that well together, so if you're gonna connect them, you need to really know what makes both of them work, and we don't, but the movie is still likeable, like it's not hard to watch, but it feels like, I feel less like, I feel less like, I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I
1:38:30
[SPEAKER_06]: a really good sci-fi horror comedy that was like written by David Cap and stars all these cool young stars and it's not Leslie Manville in it.
1:38:37
[SPEAKER_06]: Vanessa Redgrave shows up.
1:38:39
[SPEAKER_06]: What?
1:38:40
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:38:40
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
1:38:42
[SPEAKER_06]: For reasons which are pretty fucking tacked on, it feels like we were just able to get her.
1:38:46
[SPEAKER_06]: So we came up with a couple of scenes to give her.
1:38:51
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, Kudos for you.
1:38:54
[SPEAKER_06]: If I find out Vanessa Redgrave was available, I'd find a way to shove her in my project as well.
1:38:58
[SPEAKER_06]: But like,
1:38:59
[SPEAKER_06]: kind of fucking random, where was I going with this?
1:39:04
[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, no, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's just okay.
1:39:09
[SPEAKER_06]: This is like, let me, let me, let me open this one.
1:39:11
[SPEAKER_06]: If this was a sci-fi channel original movie, if that was the level we were dealing with here, like this was on in between three headed shark attack and mansquito, and cold storage was right in the middle, it would compare very favorably, even if it had no big stars.
1:39:29
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, because this is a very watchable afternoon on a Saturday.
1:39:33
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:39:34
[SPEAKER_06]: anything above that, any context above that, it's a little bit of a let down, but again, hard to dislike.
1:39:41
[SPEAKER_06]: All that know.
1:39:44
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's time to review movies on our critically acclaimed scale.
1:39:46
[SPEAKER_06]: We do this at the end of every episode, because sometimes we give sort of mixed bad reviews and we want people to know where we actually stand.
1:39:53
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
1:39:54
[SPEAKER_06]: So we review movies on a scale of C- to C plus, where C- is the lowest grade of movie can get with two historical exceptions.
1:40:03
[SPEAKER_06]: But C- is below average, these are movies that we do and I recommend.
1:40:07
[SPEAKER_06]: for whatever reason.
1:40:09
[SPEAKER_06]: C is an average movie.
1:40:11
[SPEAKER_06]: These are movies that are just okay, or maybe better for one audience and another, or maybe just some good and some bad and then all average is out.
1:40:18
[SPEAKER_06]: And then C plus is an above average movie.
1:40:20
[SPEAKER_06]: These are movies that we genuinely recommend, whether we simply like them or had a lot of fun, or thought they were genuinely brilliant.
1:40:27
[SPEAKER_06]: On that note, cold storage, a low C. Okay.
1:40:30
[SPEAKER_06]: This is one of those ones where when I was putting it into Rotten Tomatoes, because Rotten Tomatoes is a binary system.
1:40:35
[SPEAKER_06]: It's only better good.
1:40:37
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:40:38
[SPEAKER_06]: I was like, it's really right in the fucking middle.
1:40:42
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, it's like, it's fine.
1:40:44
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:40:45
[SPEAKER_06]: But it's not particularly good, and I ended up having to sort of well, there's scale down because Rotten Tomatoes considers like half like a 50% bad.
1:40:53
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:40:53
[SPEAKER_06]: So I had to give it a bad, but it's not bad.
1:40:56
[SPEAKER_06]: This is not very good.
1:40:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, uh, a movie can do can have all of the right ideas and still do it poorly.
1:41:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it's this all of everything you're describing sounds like it could work great.
1:41:10
[SPEAKER_01]: But if, if you do it, bad, but they don't do it bad.
1:41:15
[SPEAKER_06]: They just do it mediocrely.
1:41:18
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's mediocrely.
1:41:20
[SPEAKER_06]: you say tomato and so do I.
1:41:23
[SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, moving on, by design, it's kind of hard to, like, judge, just in general, it kind of defies that kind of categorization.
1:41:33
[SPEAKER_06]: So I'm going to give it a high scene.
1:41:35
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
1:41:35
[SPEAKER_06]: I think fans of art house cinema who like this kind of arch allegorical pretentious kind of style, pretentious is not a derogatory, it's just descriptive.
1:41:46
[SPEAKER_06]: If you like that, I think you're going to really, really love this,
1:41:50
[SPEAKER_06]: Mike get into it, but you might also just Rejected completely because it's so different.
1:41:56
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:41:56
[SPEAKER_06]: So I think it's putting in the middle of his fair.
1:41:59
[SPEAKER_06]: Nirvana the band the show the movie.
1:42:01
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm giving us a C-ploss.
1:42:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is it is so genuine and refreshing to see such striking guerrilla filmmaking still making it to big screens.
1:42:10
[SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
1:42:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, these little movies that are made from by of
1:42:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Filmmakers with Acumption are where our current future is.
1:42:20
[SPEAKER_01]: These are the kinds of things we have to look to.
1:42:22
[SPEAKER_06]: Well again, as I was saying though, I think AI makes these kinds of things more exciting, where you can say like, we're actually did it.
1:42:30
[SPEAKER_06]: That's the selling point.
1:42:32
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:42:33
[SPEAKER_06]: That's where we can fight it.
1:42:34
[SPEAKER_06]: And you can do that on a low budget even.
1:42:35
[SPEAKER_06]: I love that.
1:42:36
[SPEAKER_06]: Crime 101.
1:42:38
[SPEAKER_06]: I see.
1:42:39
[SPEAKER_06]: Like there's good stuff in it, Mark Ruffalo is really, really great.
1:42:42
[SPEAKER_06]: It looks great, certainly not hard to watch, but it also isn't really about much, and it withholds too much of the good stuff character wise to keep you truly invested in it, but it's not bad.
1:42:54
[SPEAKER_06]: It just could have been great, and it didn't get there.
1:42:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Goat.
1:43:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Goat C++, resounding on reserve C++.
1:43:04
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a satisfying sports story.
1:43:06
[SPEAKER_01]: It is great character animation.
1:43:08
[SPEAKER_01]: It's great characters.
1:43:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the way the interact.
1:43:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the progression of the tale.
1:43:13
[SPEAKER_01]: It's old-fashioned storytelling, but it's storytelling.
1:43:17
[SPEAKER_01]: It still works.
1:43:18
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'm way beyond this.
1:43:19
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, honestly, see plus no real notes.
1:43:23
[SPEAKER_06]: Honestly, like everything it does, you're right.
1:43:24
[SPEAKER_06]: The story is a little familiar.
1:43:26
[SPEAKER_06]: Hey, it's a kid's movie.
1:43:27
[SPEAKER_06]: We'd be it's a sports movie.
1:43:28
[SPEAKER_06]: These are not Dutch ones.
1:43:29
[SPEAKER_06]: These are just descriptors.
1:43:30
[SPEAKER_06]: And yeah, really memorable characters, exciting, dynamic, visual style and character design and
1:43:43
[SPEAKER_06]: Good luck.
1:43:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Have fun.
1:43:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't die.
1:43:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to give it a see.
1:43:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I like I said, if I had seen this as a young man, I would have bought it on VHS and watched it multiple times to sort of grooving till these weird sort of anti-technology messages.
1:43:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like a lot of this film is super muddled.
1:44:02
[SPEAKER_01]: It's overwritten and underwritten at the same time.
1:44:05
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's too much fascinating stuff for me to ignore it entirely.
1:44:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I like to the little vignettes and the flashbacks.
1:44:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I ultimately agree with the whole message, but it doesn't really hamfisted away.
1:44:17
[SPEAKER_01]: So it falls down in a lot of vital ways, but that's not going to discount the fact that I was intrigued and enjoyed myself throughout.
1:44:24
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I'm going to give it a see as well.
1:44:26
[SPEAKER_06]: I think there's a lot of things that work really great about it.
1:44:29
[SPEAKER_06]: There's a lot of wonderful imagination.
1:44:30
[SPEAKER_06]: The cast is really good.
1:44:31
[SPEAKER_06]: There's a couple of really memorable sequences.
1:44:35
[SPEAKER_06]: And again, I'm on board with the general message, although I think the one scene I talked about where they equated.
1:44:42
[SPEAKER_06]: Transitioning to something extremely negative, which is at best a huge Any responsible oversight and at worst gross and if I thought it was intentional I would be given this to see minus But I also think that the it ultimately doesn't tie together very well.
1:44:58
[SPEAKER_06]: I think the plots Kind of crap actually When it all comes together when all the cards are on the table you realize one then
1:45:07
[SPEAKER_06]: None of this made sense actually, so that brings it down a little, but it's made with such exuberance in the cast is really good that it's not a wash.
1:45:15
[SPEAKER_06]: So I'm going to need to see as well.
1:45:17
[SPEAKER_06]: And lastly, weathering heights.
1:45:19
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm actually curious we're going to go on this.
1:45:21
[SPEAKER_06]: Just feel like we we both talked about pros and negatives and it's like it's
1:45:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I do, I'm going to give it a high C-minus, I think if I can do it, you of course you can.
1:45:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just because I admire what Emerald Fennel was trying to do, I think it is a gorgeous film to look at, Margot Robbins and Jacoba Lourdy are...
1:45:40
[SPEAKER_01]: section up the screen very well and if you just want to see a sexy uh... very aggressively sexy version of weathering heights this is the one for you uh... but it's not in the service of much beyond just titillating you for a couple of scenes it doesn't even seem to have much of a message uh... it doesn't seem to understand that caffeine heath cliff might be terrible characters
1:46:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, except in a couple of scenes, I feel like it does, yeah, like I said before, it doesn't go here No, I think it's very juvenile and I realize it's kind of partly on purpose.
1:46:11
[SPEAKER_06]: It's kind of the yeah point of purpose But I don't think that makes it better.
1:46:14
[SPEAKER_06]: I think Ultimately, if you're going to have such a dramatically different take on such classical familiar still respectable material
1:46:28
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, there needs to be reason to do it and it is up to the filmmaker and the film to prove that it was worth doing.
1:46:35
[SPEAKER_06]: And I don't think I will for now.
1:46:36
[SPEAKER_06]: Does it.
1:46:38
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
1:46:38
[SPEAKER_06]: I think it is so wonderfully well film that it is not a complete wash, but ultimately it's in service of so little that I am also forced to give it a high C minus.
1:46:47
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
1:46:47
[SPEAKER_06]: I think it is here's here's what I think.
1:46:50
[SPEAKER_06]: I feel like.
1:46:51
[SPEAKER_06]: Remember when Thriller came out the music video and it was like a little mini movie and it was like 15 minutes long and It was just so ambitious that you just kind of had to respect it.
1:47:05
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah
1:47:06
[SPEAKER_06]: If this was a 15 minute, weathering heights inspired music video.
1:47:11
[SPEAKER_06]: There you go.
1:47:12
[SPEAKER_06]: This would be one of the greatest music videos of all time.
1:47:16
[SPEAKER_06]: That's a good way to do that.
1:47:17
[SPEAKER_06]: That's what the music video would have.
1:47:20
[SPEAKER_06]: Every image was striking and it told the story and it was okay if the story was wildly over the top.
1:47:28
[SPEAKER_06]: If this was much shorter, this could have been a truly epic music experience or short film.
1:47:36
[SPEAKER_06]: As a feature, she has ripped so much of the actual weight of this movie away.
1:47:42
[SPEAKER_06]: So much of the depth in the material that it's extremely shallow.
1:47:48
[SPEAKER_06]: And I think in a newsletter, I wrote for the critically acclaimed, I said, you
1:47:54
[SPEAKER_06]: She's gilding the lily because she killed the lily.
1:47:59
[SPEAKER_06]: That's the only thing you can do now is gild it.
1:48:01
[SPEAKER_06]: You can't let it live.
1:48:03
[SPEAKER_06]: And I feel like that's what's going on here.
1:48:05
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's so much wonderful craft in service of crap.
1:48:08
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:48:09
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm frustrated because so much talent obviously went into it.
1:48:12
[SPEAKER_06]: But that is it for critically claimed.
1:48:14
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1:48:15
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1:48:16
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1:48:22
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1:48:25
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1:48:31
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1:48:35
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1:48:37
[SPEAKER_06]: These are films that are going to be featured, highlighted at the Academy Awards, but for the most part, very few people have seen them.
1:48:45
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1:48:47
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1:49:00
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1:49:01
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