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Ickey’s $17.5M Gamble 🚨 Top LT Prospects to Replace Ekwonu at #19" · C3 Panthers Podcast: Carolina Panthers

• 0:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Tony Darn, and not to it but to do it brother, let's row!
• 0:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: If this is the end of this podcast Wow, wow!
• 0:35
  [SPEAKER_05]: What's the deal, Panther fans?
• 0:37
  [SPEAKER_05]: Ikki's 17.5 million dollar gamble with a fifth year option and an injury that could prevent him from playing in 20, 26 all to get or 20, yeah, 20, 26 all together.
• 0:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's a serious injury, they say six to 12 months.
• 0:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: What will the Carolina Panthers do?
• 0:57
  [SPEAKER_05]: How will they get, will they get Ikki and insurance in the draft?
• 1:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: Will they look to free agency?
• 1:03
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's a lot on the line and the Panthers are spinning a ton on that offensive line.
• 1:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: Also tonight the blueprint Denver and Seattle hit in the NFC where a hit the championship games and those teams have followed a similar trajectory that the Carolina Panthers may be following themselves will be talking about the coaching care cell and more it's the C3 Panthers podcast brought to you by me Tony
• 1:32
  [SPEAKER_07]: Man, just it was in it's it's one week removed from, uh, you know, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh
• 1:51
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's defense, defense, defense, you need defense and, you know, when you look at what Seattle's done, like we can talk about the efficiency of their offense, but I think that that offense has like even if we look at the game against the Panthers, it was largely benefited from turnovers that left him with a short field and things like that, they had some incredibly
• 2:21
  [SPEAKER_07]: is what is putting them over the top, especially when you see how they dismantled the 49ers.
• 2:29
  [SPEAKER_07]: How holding that squad without kittled to six points is a wild notion.
• 2:35
  [SPEAKER_07]: And so we're going into this offseason, asking those questions, how do the panthers take the next step?
• 2:42
  [SPEAKER_07]: And I think at this point in time, we've got to get back to Panthers football, and we have to realize this draft has to be about making this defense reminiscent of what Panthers defenses have been in the past.
• 3:00
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• 3:11
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• 3:16
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• 3:46
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• 4:13
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• 4:20
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• 4:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: Let's go ahead and dive in.
• 4:22
  [SPEAKER_05]: I guess the way to think about this really is that the Carolina Panthers were on the precipice of being where
• 4:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: the Rams are today.
• 4:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, if you think about this, the blue like the Carolina Panthers lose by three at a heartbreaker at the end, 3431, it was a bit of sweet feeling for us.
• 4:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: Carolina fans watching the Rams play.
• 4:49
  [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to watching them go to the NFC Championship because you watch that Rams.
• 4:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: And Chicago game and you're thinking here is Caleb Williams turning the ball over three times the Rams doing this could this have been the Panthers boy I don't know if the Panthers could have pulled off what the Rams did at the last moment there But you're sitting there and maybe just maybe we could be
• 5:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: I could be taking this too far, just because it was one game away.
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: But maybe we're not as far as way as you think it was in grass.
• 5:25
  [SPEAKER_05]: So when we look to next year, we should be thinking of the context of how can the Carolina take their current cap space.
• 5:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: I got to check that current cap space number real quick because I had AI make that one for me.
• 5:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: That little graphic off of.
• 5:42
  [SPEAKER_05]: based on what over the cap had on their websites.
• 5:44
  [SPEAKER_05]: So I got it, I didn't have time to double check it.
• 5:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: We'll make sure the NFL will, will they, how will they use their cap space in free agency to build, right, to in a way that they can compete and be one of these teams that's playing in a championship game next year?
• 6:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: See, K, did you get a chance to watch that Ram's Denver game?
• 6:06
  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, no, I didn't get to watch the Rams.
• 6:08
  [SPEAKER_07]: Then I did get to watch the Rams Chicago games.
• 6:12
  [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you.
• 6:13
  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, but now it was, uh, it was an interesting game because, uh, again, what we saw was an offense that couldn't really get it going.
• 6:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, in an efficient and consistent way, in struggle, you know, for a large portion of the entire game, right?
• 6:32
  [SPEAKER_07]: And then when it came down to it, it was an interception, right?
• 6:36
  [SPEAKER_07]: That, in my opinion, sealed this game away.
• 6:39
  [SPEAKER_07]: And so you run into, you know, a bear's defense that's largely, you know, what I found to be weird going into and I felt like the bear's defense had all it had been like one of the best in the NFL.
• 6:52
  [SPEAKER_07]: And it turns out from a yards per game perspective, they aren't, but they are one of the best as far as taking the ball away.
• 7:00
  [SPEAKER_07]: And they weren't able to really do that in an effective way from what I could recall in this game.
• 7:08
  [SPEAKER_07]: And so I think really what this boiled down to was,
• 7:12
  [SPEAKER_07]: was that the Rams were just taking the ball away from Chicago because I don't feel like I saw the Rams just blowing it up on the offense.
• 7:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, he still have Matt Stafford throwing some dimes.
• 7:27
  [SPEAKER_07]: There were some ducks.
• 7:28
  [SPEAKER_07]: There was just really all around a weird game.
• 7:33
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, but I think that this entire weekend was filled with weird moments and weird games and, you know, having this game and then, you know, having the, the Patriots, you know, over Houston, that game where
• 7:50
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's you just five interceptions or something like that in the first half from CJ Straud.
• 7:56
  [SPEAKER_07]: Just so odd to see these things coming up and and then you go to Buffalo and you see Buffalo losing, you know, to Oh gosh, who did they lose to him or didn't, oh yeah, losing to Denver and in the second to last play of the entire game,
• 8:16
  [SPEAKER_07]: you know, bow next, break it in ankle, you know, and just he's out for the postseason.
• 8:21
  [SPEAKER_07]: And so it's such a weird postseason like, you know, it's the first that they talked about.
• 8:27
  [SPEAKER_07]: This is the weird stat.
• 8:28
  [SPEAKER_07]: Did you hear this stat about?
• 8:30
  [SPEAKER_07]: This is going to be the first AFC championship.
• 8:34
  [SPEAKER_07]: Since 2010 that didn't have New England or, I'm sorry, I didn't have Tom Brady or Mahomes.
• 8:44
  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, wow.
• 8:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: So just my homes, it's just been in all of these.
• 8:49
  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, no, because he wouldn't have, I guess my homes would have been in it the year that he was, that's interesting how that corresponds.
• 8:58
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 8:59
  [SPEAKER_05]: As he been in that many, that is a wild step.
• 9:03
  [SPEAKER_05]: Kind of recap in these, like we're looking around the NFL playoffs.
• 9:08
  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, you're looking at Chicago, dude.
• 9:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: And...
• 9:12
  [SPEAKER_05]: This guy's played.
• 9:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, yes, they turned the ball over, right?
• 9:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: They didn't have a perfect game, but Caleb Williams played out of his mind.
• 9:22
  [SPEAKER_05]: That team was playing on fire in a way, right?
• 9:25
  [SPEAKER_05]: Is that they really had an opportunity and win that game.
• 9:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I tell you,
• 9:30
  [SPEAKER_05]: That touchdown past that that got through.
• 9:32
  [SPEAKER_05]: That sent them over time.
• 9:35
  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
• 9:35
  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yes.
• 9:36
  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, that was just one of those ones.
• 9:38
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't even think he meant to throw it like as a, I think he was just trying to give his guy a chance, but like, well, he did it and there's no one, there's, there's like, I don't know how many people in the NFL can actually make that throw.
• 9:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: I tweeted out after that is that, uh,
• 9:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: those crazy combine throws that we saw with trade lands and Zach Wilson remember like there was that two year span where everybody wanted to see you throw eighty yards from your knees or whatever they're back in vogue after that Caleb Williams pass because that thing was insane trailing back he ran backwards like twenty five yards and threw it off his back foot
• 10:18
  [SPEAKER_07]: Just didn't, but radical, but like that wasn't incredible moment, but the problem with the K the Williams experience is he will have those heroics, but that exact same play is what you would tell him not to do the him that worked out there.
• 10:34
  [SPEAKER_07]: But like you see those crazy plays and he just throws it right to a defender.
• 10:39
  [SPEAKER_07]: Like it's it's such a weird moment because like you see these like moments of brilliance.
• 10:45
  [SPEAKER_07]: And I think you can argue the same with some of Bryce's throws where you're like, he know he can make the throw.
• 10:50
  [SPEAKER_07]: Right, the throw, the ability is not being questioned here because we've seen it and you see it with Caleb Williams.
• 10:57
  [SPEAKER_07]: But then you just have these like really dumb choices, you know, that he was making.
• 11:03
  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, same thing could be said with CJ Stroud, like that, that, that, that, that, one of that first, that second interception.
• 11:10
  [SPEAKER_07]: where he was like guy in his face and he just threw it in the air.
• 11:13
  [SPEAKER_07]: Like it was like he was trying to alley you put to some, I don't know, like it was such a weird decision from a guy on a big stage and you know, the only reason they stayed in that game as long as they did was because they decided to take the ball out of his hands.
• 11:31
  [SPEAKER_07]: It was, it was, it was, wow, Caleb, this is, you know, Sean McCree had a pretty good, you know, a point here.
• 11:40
  [SPEAKER_07]: He said Caleb and Stroud lost, lost their games, cost their teams, the loss.
• 11:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think Stroud more so.
• 11:47
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't, I won't go far that far.
• 11:49
  [SPEAKER_07]: I would say Caleb was, Caleb was also the reason they were in the overtime, right?
• 11:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I want to say, wasn't this one where somebody stopped running on the route a little bit,
• 12:00
  [SPEAKER_05]: and the guy made a play.
• 12:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: I can't remember if that was there's so many turtles.
• 12:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: I hear if you think about this, this is kind of wild.
• 12:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's for these being the best teams in the NFL.
• 12:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
• 12:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: And like the sharpest.
• 12:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: lights out is that there have been in some insanely sloppy games in the playoffs, whether it be strout last week, fumbleitis all day, the crazy four interceptions.
• 12:27
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I think you had a fumble to right is a five turnovers in that moment.
• 12:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: Then you had the Josh Allen fumble at the half,
• 12:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: It really, it kind of comes back to this is like, it's like, why the heck was Buffalo even doing that in the first place?
• 12:47
  [SPEAKER_05]: They should have just gone into the half.
• 12:49
  [SPEAKER_05]: They really didn't have the time.
• 12:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: And then Josh Allen is at this point as he were dressing to being like that first year Josh Allen or second year, remember when he made the playoffs and he looked like he was just like smoking meth and just like didn't know where he was at, run it, don't want to fall backwards and crap.
• 13:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: and then like if you go back let's see who else is what oh did you see what your your thoughts on how bad did the bills get screwed because i got i mean at what what world can you ever say that that defensive player got that interception unless that ball is balancing out of the dudes hands
• 13:30
  [SPEAKER_07]: see the argument here's the part of this that is tough.
• 13:35
  [SPEAKER_07]: If he hit the ground and neither one of them came away with the ball, they would have called it an incomplete pass.
• 13:42
  [SPEAKER_07]: And if that is if that's true, then it was never possessed by the actual offensive person.
• 13:50
  [SPEAKER_07]: And if that's like if if you can hold in it though.
• 13:54
  [SPEAKER_07]: But my point with that is, do you think that if he felt if that ball when he hit the ground pops out instead of it going into the defender's hands, you think if they ruled that as an incomplete catch, they would have had the ability to overturn it?
• 14:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know right like is that I see what you're saying is that that it may have it may have been a catch in a way, but it wasn't as clear of a it was rolling and holding control though.
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_05]: So I don't know.
• 14:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't feel like it just felt like Lauren is if anything, they should have called it in.
• 14:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, that I guess you can't call it incomplete.
• 14:33
  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, you have to ask her an intersection, right?
• 14:35
  [SPEAKER_07]: So that's the argument.
• 14:38
  [SPEAKER_07]: And again, I understand the frustration, because if I were a bills fan, I'd feel like every time we have a shot, it's like it's something that just screws us, right?
• 14:51
  [SPEAKER_07]: And so it does have, I mean, like I said, we've all kind of been in this situation where we've agreed that it felt like
• 15:00
  [SPEAKER_07]: It feels crappy to be on that side of the equation when you feel like your entire season is in jeopardy because of one call.
• 15:07
  [SPEAKER_07]: We had that happen in the Tampa game, where we had that, what was it?
• 15:17
  [SPEAKER_07]: past interference call right like that was just like it sucks to have a scenario where you feel like officiating is causing the the game to be ruled one way and basically you have no shot because of it but I just I don't know that one's not one of those that I came away from feeling like I 100% could or like I could see it being called either way and the fact that they call it one way or another you don't have a dog in the fight I just don't
• 15:43
  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.
• 15:44
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's going to be natural bias to have an opinion about it.
• 15:48
  [SPEAKER_07]: If you wanted one team who'll do it over the other, but if you went into it with an unbiased outlook, I think most people would agree that that did, there was a very close call.
• 16:00
  [SPEAKER_05]: I like this comment CJ A5o says seven says Bryce is rookie year his surrounding cast looks like strouts the last two weeks.
• 16:08
  [SPEAKER_05]: Look out, everyone talked about him one thing about that, too, is I man, look, the Texans had the greatest defense.
• 16:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, people are, I mean, sitting here talking like 85 bears defense, I heard some people talking about how good that was in the fact that they're like in somewhat in contention.
• 16:27
  [SPEAKER_05]: in that game for a while.
• 16:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, regardless, with despite, I mean, maybe to the half or something like that, despite all of these turnovers, and you do look at, you know, shroud, they tried to fix the line for them.
• 16:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: But Nico Collins out, I mean, it does remind you of kind of like a mile Sanders,
• 16:48
  [SPEAKER_05]: offense in a way without Nico Collins, but, you know, Straud is, he's made it to the playoffs three years in a row and has not really performed well yet.
• 16:58
  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it was a tough tough two weeks for him.
• 17:00
  [SPEAKER_05]: And the weather wasn't great, but Drake may continue to just do what's necessary.
• 17:08
  [SPEAKER_05]: to win.
• 17:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, new England at what point do we just start thinking new England is for real?
• 17:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, and it's boring.
• 17:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: It might not be exciting.
• 17:17
  [SPEAKER_05]: Put up a ton of points.
• 17:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: How bad is this for Denver?
• 17:22
  [SPEAKER_05]: Because I did not even know.
• 17:25
  [SPEAKER_05]: that a boat nicks have broke his ankle.
• 17:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: I had the game on.
• 17:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: I told you I'm fixing up the studio right now.
• 17:32
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm painting doing some painting and getting some things ready.
• 17:35
  [SPEAKER_05]: So I would just had the game in the background working, you know, listening and watching and you know, turning my head stuff.
• 17:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I didn't even know that the dude was injured.
• 17:44
  [SPEAKER_05]: The next day I didn't find out till I just like opened Twitter and it was like,
• 17:49
  [SPEAKER_05]: were out for playoffs.
• 17:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: He got this guy went and I think it was, was that that was in an overtime when was it?
• 17:58
  [SPEAKER_05]: No, no, no.
• 18:01
  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, that was, uh, that was, uh, oh, no, yeah.
• 18:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was.
• 18:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: It was a number of times.
• 18:07
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah, it was, it was.
• 18:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: They went to overtime and then so
• 18:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: a run where I think he may have wrote that and go then it was next he had a big pass that was called for pass interference and rough in the passer and then he did victory formation or something like that and broken ankle.
• 18:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: So that's how I end with a statement, a statement, does that sound right?
• 18:38
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, a Jared system.
• 18:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: Stidom.
• 18:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: How bad is this
• 18:46
  [SPEAKER_07]: it's like I don't I don't even know what to equate this to.
• 18:51
  [SPEAKER_07]: This is like one of the most wild moment like if you going out of that game, I don't think anybody even realized that there was an issue in like you go from being like a really like on a high of a like highest of eyes, you know what I mean?
• 19:07
  [SPEAKER_07]: Like it's just it's such a weird
• 19:11
  [SPEAKER_07]: like transition you know what I mean I don't know like it's I like was the next day we got the news it's just such a I don't know man like it was a lot of dopamine not dopamine I know I could you I mean could you imagine being a Broncos fan right now because like just it's got to feel horrible to have that happen
• 19:35
  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, maybe they're not in that bad shape.
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_05]: The Stitham guys been with me with Sean Taitan before.
• 19:41
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and Sean Taitan.
• 19:42
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to express those.
• 19:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: I said, this is it was bone X run in the ball, setting up the field goal.
• 19:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: Should've just ran the running back.
• 19:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, for extra yards.
• 19:53
  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, like he did the handshake.
• 19:56
  [SPEAKER_05]: Went shook hands in the middle of the day.
• 19:58
  [SPEAKER_05]: This guy's ankle is broke.
• 19:59
  [SPEAKER_05]: That kind of stink.
• 20:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: Cavs says, still don't about to be the next Brady step in in, uh, we think this is going to be like, it's going to be one moment.
• 20:12
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, there.
• 20:13
  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, man.
• 20:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: That's all right.
• 20:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know that.
• 20:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: We'll see anything else about these games.
• 20:18
  [SPEAKER_05]: Seattle.
• 20:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: Let's go ahead and let's talk about this is what brings this, what brings me up to this.
• 20:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, trajectory.
• 20:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think that's spelled right.
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_05]: When I was thinking about this is I wanted to know when I was trying to get ready for the show is what.
• 20:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: What characteristics like I mentioned that the panthers were close to being.
• 20:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: Playing this Sunday or last Sunday, you know, and I mean, this chance against the bears.
• 20:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think the bears were really I'm surprised they didn't win.
• 20:53
  [SPEAKER_05]: I had them winning.
• 20:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: But like what can we learn?
• 20:58
  [SPEAKER_05]: from this, you know, what can we learn as a team as we try to grow into being one of these contenders, right?
• 21:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: And the teams that are on the list this year, which are really cool in so many ways, is it's not the usual suspects.
• 21:17
  [SPEAKER_05]: Right, right.
• 21:18
  [SPEAKER_05]: We're not like just like, oh, we got to patrick my homes or oh, you got it's a little different this year.
• 21:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: So you got the Rams and just go through the couple teams here, the four teams that are in the playoffs right now or playing in championship weekend.
• 21:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: Rams, C-Ox, Broncos, Patriots.
• 21:38
  [SPEAKER_05]: The Rams are probably the most, like I guess the toast of the town in this group, right?
• 21:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: And if you, I went and tracked there just last three years, 2023.
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: They were 10 and 7.
• 21:53
  [SPEAKER_05]: They lost in the wild card.
• 21:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: 2024.
• 21:56
  [SPEAKER_05]: They were 10 and 7.
• 21:57
  [SPEAKER_05]: They lost in the division round.
• 21:59
  [SPEAKER_05]: 2025, they're 12, 12 and 5.
• 22:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, great coach, great quarterback.
• 22:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: Seemingly, always kind of finding a way to, you know, keep players in development.
• 22:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: They don't spend a lot of money on their defense.
• 22:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: But they really focus on continuing to bolster those offensive weapons.
• 22:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's the outlier for the three, you know, out of the teams of whoa, of what the Carolina Panthers could be, a whole lightning system, just fell down.
• 22:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's the outlier.
• 22:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, and there goes the camera.
• 22:42
  [SPEAKER_05]: CK.
• 22:49
  [SPEAKER_05]: Holy cow, we're having, this is what you need like a commercial break.
• 22:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, that's the outlier.
• 22:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think we're more resemble the Seahawks of Procurs or the Patriots.
• 22:58
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I wouldn't put the Patriots in here.
• 23:00
  [SPEAKER_05]: They're their rocket ship.
• 23:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: They rocket ship to the top from being 4 and 13, 4 and 13, 2 years in a row.
• 23:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: And then flip in that number to 14 and 3.
• 23:12
  [SPEAKER_05]: right with this with a new coach and now with Drake May.
• 23:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think we were simple more of Denver or the Seahawks in a way.
• 23:25
  [SPEAKER_05]: So what do you think about that analysis?
• 23:27
  [SPEAKER_05]: Can we find any helpful trends?
• 23:33
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, I mean, I think that again, as I kind of go back to my initial
• 23:40
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think that this just illustrates how important defenses like I don't mean this to give a pass to any, you know, offense or anything like that, but I just think that historically we've known this as an organization, right, and that is that you having a good defense is is almost a requirement to be able to.
• 24:07
  [SPEAKER_07]: maintain a competitive edge in the league and in that's evidence in the field today.
• 24:12
  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I think
• 24:15
  [SPEAKER_07]: What you're noticing and the reason that you're not seeing like these, you know, these high powered offences that are carrying their entire team IE the bills into into the deep into the playoffs is because it's I think that that's not something that can realistically stay around for a long period of time.
• 24:40
  [SPEAKER_07]: So I do think you get something from this.
• 24:43
  [SPEAKER_07]: There is a blueprint to take from it and that is that Carolina Panthers had it right to begin with.
• 24:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, right now, I think if you look at these teams, the Broncos and the Seahawks are both in the top 10 and rushing defense of our total defense, right?
• 25:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: Like you said, is that you have to have really you have to be competent at one side of the ball and great at one side of the ball.
• 25:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: Right or a really good on both.
• 25:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: You can't be crappy can't be great on offense and crappy on defense.
• 25:17
  [SPEAKER_05]: You can't be great on defense and crappy on offense.
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: That's not going to get you that's and I'll get you wins.
• 25:22
  [SPEAKER_05]: It'll get you some things, but it won't get you deep like these guys are going.
• 25:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: right or want if we want to go to take that next step.
• 25:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: In fact, you can say that the Carolina Panthers have done that in some ways in their histories had really good defenses and then had a problem with the offensive side of the ball.
• 25:37
  [SPEAKER_05]: But you could say this year that the defense played exceptionally much better than it had and that the offensive time just kind of what not it did just disappeared at times.
• 25:47
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if I don't know how I would say
• 25:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, this one was better, right?
• 25:57
  [SPEAKER_05]: Hadn't been better.
• 25:59
  [SPEAKER_05]: but you have to be really great on one side of the ball offense or defense and then competent to good on the other side of the ball.
• 26:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: We really need to be really good on both sides of the ball and maybe elite on one.
• 26:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: Both of these defense, both of these teams have really found a way to build a complete team.
• 26:17
  [SPEAKER_05]: ZK, I mean, or or many ways is I mean, maybe Denver is still the one that's in the growth offensive model, right?
• 26:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: And that they're doing it so heavily
• 26:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: the rams in the seahawks is you've got really kind of complete teams there is both I mean look the seahawks defense is nasty it's straight nasty it's better it's better of in my opinion the better the two defenses that are going to be playing in the NFC championship it's better but the rams is really good too
• 26:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: but that man Sam Darnold has really gotten a done on the offensive side of the ball.
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: So they've both got veteran quarterbacks playing Carolina.
• 26:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, I think for me, just kind of looking at this is CK is that the Carolina has got to find a way to continue to get better against the run and generate more of a pass rush, right?
• 27:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's like this idea at the end of games.
• 27:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: Happening what happened to the Rams and I'm still not that assaulty about the defense as some other people are in that into that Rams game.
• 27:17
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think You're playing to stop the touchdown.
• 27:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: You didn't stop the touchdown.
• 27:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: You almost made the play but look is that these guys just walk down the field And The second area is good enough this year is very good this year.
• 27:32
  [SPEAKER_05]: So what what do you have to do?
• 27:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: You got to have some coverage linebackers, but really you got to find ways to get pressure without
• 27:40
  [SPEAKER_07]: Blitz and that's what Seattle does is they just send their four and they're just dominant and sometimes they get pressure with three or two like it is wild to me that like we have such a struggle to put any pressure on the defy on the quarterback when you see these other teams with like you know makeshift defensive lines that they've just somehow turned into
• 28:07
  [SPEAKER_07]: quality defense is like it's really it's it's a sight to behold like it's again it is the blueprint and I if we're not going to take anything from that that's shame on us we deserve to continue to lose if we're not going to you know utilize some of the same aspects of trying to build this team now the problem with that is when you think about like the Seattle and you know Houston and all that a lot of that came at the expense like their
• 28:37
  [SPEAKER_07]: happened in a large part because they got rid of people and they traded them away for assets.
• 28:47
  [SPEAKER_07]: And so, the Sean Watson.
• 28:51
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, that, that was a part of their rebuild, right?
• 28:54
  [SPEAKER_07]: You have the Sean Watson trade, you have, if you want to go over to Seattle, it's the trade from Russell Wilson, you know, that they got what two first round draft picks for that.
• 29:04
  [SPEAKER_07]: It, it may not like those draft picks, you know, may not be like something that come to mind is something that was an immediate impact on them.
• 29:14
  [SPEAKER_07]: But it'd be hard not to look at the fact that they had a both of them
• 29:21
  [SPEAKER_07]: benefited on a in a large part because they had made changes to the, they basically were set, they were sellers at one point.
• 29:30
  [SPEAKER_07]: We had an opportunity to be sellers, but when we did our value for those, those assets were significantly lower than any of us were happy to sell for its i.e.
• 29:41
  [SPEAKER_07]: christian McAfrey coming off of his injuries and then, you know, you look at Brian Burns
• 29:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: One of the things that you're seeing, though, and all of these teams, right, out of all the teams that are in the, at the end, right now, they all have elite coaches.
• 30:02
  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I hate Sean Payton.
• 30:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: I know he's a dick, but I mean, he's an elite coach.
• 30:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, somehow, I mean, he's an offensive guru, but they're always got a good damn defense.
• 30:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, Mike McDonald, I always assume it's Mike Mike Daniel, by the way, is just hired as Charger's offensive coordinator.
• 30:23
  [SPEAKER_05]: So all that in the chat.
• 30:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you for putting that up.
• 30:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: Chats always keep on us on top of the NFL Mike McDonald though.
• 30:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, this guy comes from Baltimore.
• 30:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: You know what?
• 30:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: Their defense has never really been the same since he left in a way.
• 30:38
  [SPEAKER_05]: You can see that.
• 30:38
  [SPEAKER_05]: Then he goes to Seattle.
• 30:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: He builds his powerhouse.
• 30:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: Somehow he wins with
• 30:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think a kubiac is a kubiac is a maybe an offensive coordinator watch him as being the name that people are interested in head coaching jobs right now.
• 30:53
  [SPEAKER_05]: How would they deal with that?
• 30:56
  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, Seattle, I think is a really close kind of model to build from and what they have is they've got power and the trenches on that defensive front.
• 31:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: What can Carolina specifically, as we finish out this topic, what as we have looked at what these teams are doing to win or what they've done in so many ways.
• 31:17
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 31:18
  [SPEAKER_05]: How does Carolina execute it, right?
• 31:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: Like what's the next step, right?
• 31:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: Because right now you've got a coach you're sticking with right you believe that I mean he's got wait I don't know right now if I'm ready to put him in a category of a Mike Raeble or anybody like that right now is he's got a lot to learn and improve.
• 31:35
  [SPEAKER_05]: So given the fact that our coach is going to have another year to improve CK we've got Bryce young now on the cheap is cheap ish.
• 31:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: Right, keep it on this contract, Carolina Panthers, I almost feel like this is they need to start making noise now or else you're going to get into the rut of what's next, it was extend by start over what do we do.
• 32:00
  [SPEAKER_05]: And we're like, how do the Carolina Panthers go from what they did this year and emulate some of these things again.
• 32:08
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's I think you have to maintain consistency in a lot of ways.
• 32:14
  [SPEAKER_07]: You've got to be able to be willing to move on from things that didn't work.
• 32:18
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, IE, the Rigo Dattle experience, even though we're going to look at his gear is ultimately a success.
• 32:25
  [SPEAKER_07]: The fact that we couldn't maintain that over time is certainly worthy of us at least acknowledging that maybe we need to do something differently on that front.
• 32:37
  [SPEAKER_07]: I, I have been saying and I just, I think, I don't know, I'm not going to be to that course.
• 32:45
  [SPEAKER_07]: I have an opinion that we need to move on from our defensive coordinator, even though we've already basically said we're moving forward with him as our defensive coordinator.
• 32:54
  [SPEAKER_07]: So I mean, I think that's going to be ultimately the step that we need to take for this defense to take that next next lunge into, you know, relevancy.
• 33:04
  [SPEAKER_07]: But man, I, outside, I think you just have to maintain consistency.
• 33:08
  [SPEAKER_07]: And again, I'm going to repeat something that I've been saying in nauseam since the off season, we have to play our starters in the preseason.
• 33:19
  [SPEAKER_07]: We cannot afford to, if anything, we saw this year.
• 33:22
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think you're starting out
• 33:28
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, the way that we did tells me that we need to make sure we get our our players comfortable with one another To place side by side and in the only way you're going to be able to do that effectively is to have them playing during preseason so that they can get real time snaps to get their timing down all of that right and
• 33:52
  [SPEAKER_07]: No more, we're not going into next year with this false narrative of who it's going to be our wide receiver one and wide receiver two.
• 34:00
  [SPEAKER_07]: We know it's poker and we know it's a team act and we don't have to ask those questions.
• 34:06
  [SPEAKER_07]: So now that we have those, those things you figured out, we can start to really build the other part of this team, which in my opinion is the it's going to start with our linebacking core personally.
• 34:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: you're listening to the C3 Panthers podcast right now we're looking ahead though as we talk about what the Carolina Panthers need to emulate some of the characteristics that have proven to get some of the you get these teams like Denver Broncos or the Seattle Seahawks into the their championship games.
• 34:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: There is a hiccup in this that we'll be talking about later in the show so stick around to find out how Ikki
• 34:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: How much does this set back the growth of a team that has really been trying to improve on the offensive side of the ball improve that front the front the offensive line in an effort to keep Bryce give him time to progress time to develop they've then invested a lot of offensive weapons and into into this core this unit.
• 35:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: And they now need like a J.
• 35:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: Rock stick city said, it's time to load up the defense.
• 35:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: You're going to have to put that type of investment so much into the defensive side of the ball.
• 35:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: How do they care a line of Panthers?
• 35:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: How are they going to deal with Ikyu Kwaner's injury given the fact that they've picked up his fifth year option and they're paying something like 30% of their offensive line or their cap to the offensive line with potential needs at center.
• 35:44
  [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
• 35:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: So how can the Carolina Panthers continue to grow and meet all these needs as they are a lot of needs?
• 35:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: Go.
• 35:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: You mentioned this is the need for a new defensive coordinator in your mind is Jiro Everos taking a lot of heat is that he last year had the worst defense in NFL history and subbiocentric and it was that the players it was injury and you didn't have enough players to execute.
• 36:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: This is a weird graphic.
• 36:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: I know guys that whipped it together too quick, because it got an old picture of Evo in it.
• 36:22
  [SPEAKER_05]: But if you're looking around the league right now, Todd Bowles is fired as an entire staff.
• 36:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: He's rebuilding.
• 36:27
  [SPEAKER_05]: The Atlanta Falcons just hired Kevin Stefansky, who is two-time coach of the year.
• 36:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: But it's Euro Evo is right now as interviewing for head coaching jobs.
• 36:38
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think for certainly interviewed with the Las Vegas Raiders, he might have more than one interview.
• 36:44
  [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe they don't have to fire MCK maybe gets a job as a head coach.
• 36:48
  [SPEAKER_07]: That's that's been what I've been saying like that's what I wanted to say just now when I brought it up.
• 36:54
  [SPEAKER_07]: We're not going to be getting rid of him but I really hope somebody tries to steal him.
• 36:59
  [SPEAKER_07]: And here's the deal.
• 37:00
  [SPEAKER_07]: I am not going to be one of these revisionist history guys.
• 37:03
  [SPEAKER_07]: He's going to go back and say that you know if he go turns out to be a really good head coach that I made a mistake or anything like that.
• 37:10
  [SPEAKER_07]: the experiment regarding Evaro is done in my mind.
• 37:14
  [SPEAKER_07]: He has not at any point been a game changer.
• 37:17
  [SPEAKER_07]: We have had more questions and answers from this defense for most of his time here.
• 37:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: Everybody's going to argue that we were 19 or 20th in the league in this, you know, 31st in the league and you know, stop and third rate, third down conversions from opposing teams.
• 37:36
  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, he had three years to build this thing out the way he wanted to, and the fact that we're not a top half of the league type of a defense by any I test that you can put out there is just enough evidence for me to say we need to move on from him.
• 37:53
  [SPEAKER_07]: He can go out there and kill it as a head coach and heck maybe he's going to be that type of guy who can build a team and get people to rally for him as a head coach, but as a defensive coordinator, he's not getting a done and he hasn't in three years.
• 38:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: This is according to Adam Shepher, the Raiders have completed a second interview with Panther's defensive coordinator, Juro Evaro.
• 38:12
  [SPEAKER_05]: The team has complied with the really real after interviewing Evaro and former Dolphins coach, Mike Medango, who is now headed to the Chargers.
• 38:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: So they're now allowed to hire their coach that they've made, I guess they've interviewed more than one candidate.
• 38:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: They've had a minority candidate, but they got to, he's got two interviews with the
• 38:35
  [SPEAKER_05]: Right now, according to this story, Everos caught a coordinated two top 10 defenses first with the Broncos in 2022 and then with the Panthers in 2023, if you go by the yards allowed metric.
• 38:47
  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, while he care a lot, I finished at the bottom of the league defensively in 2024 ever a helped turn the unit around finish 16 in yards and 15 and points allowed in 2025.
• 38:58
  [SPEAKER_05]: He's worked for the 49ers, Packers and Rams in the past.
• 39:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: The Raiders also have offensive coordinator Joe Brady to interview Broncos, coordinator,
• 39:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: Seahawks offensive coordinator, Clint Kubieck, Rams offensive coordinator, Mike LaFluer, Chargers defensive coordinator, Jesse Mentor, there's a big names on here.
• 39:27
  [SPEAKER_05]: Offensive going Matt and Maggie, I think here, I don't know what will the Raiders do is, like I mean, they've really been floundering and talk about a team that's what only been to the playoffs once in 20 years or something like that.
• 39:42
  [SPEAKER_05]: Joe Brady.
• 39:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: You think who's got a who's got the greatest who's a a frontrunner ahead of a vero when you can put names like Joe Brady, Vance Joseph, and that's say Clint Kubeyak.
• 39:59
  [SPEAKER_05]: That's a Clint Kubeyak, maybe.
• 40:01
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, maybe.
• 40:02
  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, the problem is they're going to have, I think there's people who are saying, at least a buddy of mine says that Kubeyak may be going to Buffalo.
• 40:10
  [SPEAKER_07]: But I don't know as far as what is going to be the Joe Brady experience, I keep it 100 here, if you want to.
• 40:25
  [SPEAKER_07]: But Joe Brady could just inherit the kingdom there and bills, you know, bills mafia, right?
• 40:32
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, Sean McDerman out.
• 40:34
  [SPEAKER_07]: Has McDerman been a part of head coaching interviews yet?
• 40:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: I have not seen his name pop up yet, I mean, he just got fired what yesterday.
• 40:44
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, my mind said right now is this.
• 40:48
  [SPEAKER_07]: He got, was he yesterday?
• 40:49
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I might have been yesterday.
• 40:51
  [SPEAKER_07]: My mind said right now is this.
• 40:54
  [SPEAKER_07]: If somebody hires ever, I'm cool with bringing the garment back to Charlotte.
• 41:01
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, I think I know his defenses have been, you know, difficult in the playoffs, but my mind has always been that his issues in the playoffs has been consistently not having the players on his team.
• 41:15
  [SPEAKER_07]: Like he's had a lot of injury issues that is defense is maintained and you know from again a couple of bills fans they said that they think that what you know the word on the street is he had a meeting with the the owners and being
• 41:33
  [SPEAKER_07]: Brandon Bean about why they, you know, what's causing them not to be a Super Bowl like progressing and what his issues are with the roster and from what I've heard is that didn't go over very well with the ownership and with Brandon Bean.
• 41:49
  [SPEAKER_07]: So that was a heavy contributor is to why they ended up, you know, letting him go.
• 41:56
  [SPEAKER_07]: Which is kind of crazy to me, but, you know, the
• 41:59
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think I always look at these Uber successful franchises that are so tired of winning, that they just fire guys that consistently get them into the playoffs and even when they shouldn't be after injuries and all that stuff.
• 42:16
  [SPEAKER_07]: So you have like the bills getting red of the of McDermott.
• 42:20
  [SPEAKER_07]: You have horrible and then you have Mike Tomlin stepping down.
• 42:25
  [SPEAKER_07]: Which you know in my mind was a pressure related if I had to guess.
• 42:31
  [SPEAKER_07]: So man, I'll see man.
• 42:32
  [SPEAKER_07]: I would be fine with McDermott coming here.
• 42:34
  [SPEAKER_07]: If we can get Everrow to you know, somehow we would another team.
• 42:38
  [SPEAKER_07]: Like I just want Tapper to just throw some money over at the Raiders and say,
• 42:43
  [SPEAKER_07]: He's a really good candidate.
• 42:45
  [SPEAKER_07]: You should take him and we'll actually give you a draft pick to take him.
• 42:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: No, kid.
• 42:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I'll get in with that being said, if if ever a word to leave, I just put up a poll in the chat.
• 42:58
  [SPEAKER_05]: Would you who would you want a defensive coordinator?
• 43:00
  [SPEAKER_05]: As a Carolina little speculation, just a couple of moments on this.
• 43:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: If ever, it takes the head coaching job, who would you want to lead the Panther's defense?
• 43:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: I added McDermott on the fly to the poll list, Christian Parker Eagles pass game coordinator.
• 43:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: He was formerly with the Broncos as well to rotate Jones, Vikings, DB coach, Jonathan Gannon, Anthony Weaver, among top names, right there.
• 43:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: So you guys go ahead and participate in that poll.
• 43:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: Don't forget to call in for the cat calls.
• 43:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: The numbers two, five, two, two, two, eight, 50, 98.
• 43:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: That's two, five, two, two, two, eight, 50, 98.
• 43:37
  [SPEAKER_05]: Just finish up our discussion on these head coaches.
• 43:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: Let's just move to real quickly.
• 43:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: Your thoughts on Kevin Stephansky taking over in the dolphins.
• 43:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: And how does that help them grow?
• 43:49
  [SPEAKER_05]: And what do you think about that higher?
• 43:51
  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, I, I, I really wonder, I feel like at a outside of Buffalo now and outside of the Ravens, I feel like that was got that has to have been one of the more appealing locations.
• 44:07
  [SPEAKER_07]: for a head coach to go.
• 44:09
  [SPEAKER_07]: You have such a fire power, like such a explosive option as far as a explosive offense rather, and then the defense is also fairly good.
• 44:22
  [SPEAKER_07]: You put a good coach there.
• 44:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think the Falcons have a real shot at being something special.
• 44:27
  [SPEAKER_07]: Right, and I hate that by the way, I don't want that to be the case.
• 44:30
  [SPEAKER_07]: I just think that when you look at what they have on their team, it would be naive to assume that they couldn't possibly put it together.
• 44:38
  [SPEAKER_07]: And to have them hires to fanski so quick to me, it's just a weird, I don't think this to fanski is a horrible coach, but
• 44:50
  [SPEAKER_07]: I just, you're, you're hiring.
• 44:52
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's like us hiring in my opinion and other sounds ridiculous, but it's like us hiring Frank Reich.
• 44:58
  [SPEAKER_07]: You're hiring a failed head coach.
• 45:01
  [SPEAKER_07]: He did not, he did not work.
• 45:02
  [SPEAKER_07]: They had everything at their disposal in the Browns two or three years ago.
• 45:08
  [SPEAKER_07]: Like if they were being talked about as being like one of those look at, look at the Browns.
• 45:12
  [SPEAKER_07]: They're the guys.
• 45:13
  [SPEAKER_07]: They're the team to look.
• 45:13
  [SPEAKER_07]: You keep your eyes on.
• 45:15
  [SPEAKER_07]: They're an up and coming team.
• 45:16
  [SPEAKER_07]: To where they have everybody wanting to leave.
• 45:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's a good, or I think that's the logical initial reaction to the higher, right?
• 45:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: And it's just think it's like, all right, he's been two time head coach of the year, but like that feels like in the distance past, the Browns have really felt like a mess, and not just a mess as in like look is they really have lacked kind of institutional direction,
• 45:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: So I think on the face, that's the thing is like, man, it's why you take this guy who just really has been ultimately on the struggle buzz and put in him.
• 46:00
  [SPEAKER_05]: So quickly Matt Ryan, president of football operations, this is the selection.
• 46:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: He went out and got Stephansky.
• 46:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: And he believed it's up in there.
• 46:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I think there's a couple of things that go into, and I'm not like a Cleveland Browns expert by any means on what's been going on.
• 46:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: But I think there has been a real divide between the front office and the coaching staff on what they've wanted to do, right?
• 46:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: It was unclear as the fanski I think in his maybe his rookie year as a coach.
• 46:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: It was early.
• 46:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: First or second year with Baker Mayfield go to the playoffs.
• 46:38
  [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
• 46:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: That was defense key.
• 46:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: That's when he won Coach of the year.
• 46:42
  [SPEAKER_05]: It was unclear.
• 46:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: They immediately, you know, what the organization felt like they just got to the playoffs.
• 46:48
  [SPEAKER_05]: They hadn't had that playoff taste.
• 46:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: And so I mean, so long.
• 46:53
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
• 46:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: that they saw that they had this defense that was rocking and rolling and they thought, man, we're just one piece of way.
• 46:58
  [SPEAKER_05]: They fell into that and they went and traded a crap ton of assets and paid a crap ton of money to just Sean Watson.
• 47:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: So how much was the Kevin's defense game involved with that was he a guy that
• 47:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: you know, believed in what they were doing and with Baker Mayfield and how they could progress that way was he bang in the table for the Sean Watson and you know what is not the picks CK that seemingly was so problematic for the Browns, but it's how much money they sunk in the Sean Watson.
• 47:32
  [SPEAKER_05]: And you might have the money as an owner, but if that's going to kill your cap, and then the guy played like ass, and then has continually to continue to get her and play like ass, then they had this problem, right?
• 47:47
  [SPEAKER_05]: So they're almost resetting there.
• 47:49
  [SPEAKER_05]: The fanski though, it's like he did
• 47:59
  [SPEAKER_05]: this past year, where they didn't get a quarter back, they got two quarterbacks.
• 48:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: They didn't know what they were doing.
• 48:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: They had no idea, what is this Gabriel still in Gabriel?
• 48:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think I was listening to believe in Falcons and they've got Michael Turner up there.
• 48:18
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's like I think it's two former players if we get the other one, we should know.
• 48:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: And but he said, the one of the guys was really, again, he said the barbershop hates this defense keep it.
• 48:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: But because they don't like the Sanders, well, what's the on skin name again?
• 48:37
  [SPEAKER_05]: There should there a Sanders situation.
• 48:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: And how reluctant he was and how he started dealing Gabriel over it.
• 48:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: And they made the joke that this guy,
• 48:47
  [SPEAKER_05]: doesn't like this black quarterback and whatever, forever, forever, whatever reasons seemed personal to a degree.
• 48:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: And that was coming to coach in the blackest city in America.
• 48:57
  [SPEAKER_05]: They described it as, uh, so Stephanski on the face, but Michael Turner was into this pick.
• 49:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: Because he believed this is that like that that organization was like was pulling in different directions and that's the fanski has shown that he can be a no nonsense guy and they thought that Rahim Morris was too easy on the players and that he is a brilliant offensive mind or very capable offensive mind and that Ryan recognizes that capability.
• 49:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: But then I forgot about this is where Stephansky ended up blowing up to get his head coach and job.
• 49:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: His coach, his quarterback at the time was Kirk Cousins, and Minnesota, that's where Stephansky back in what 2019 or whatever, something like to that effect.
• 49:47
  [SPEAKER_05]: So, I don't think Stephansky is a scary hire.
• 49:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: I do think he gives you a pretty solid floor, though, if you're at Lano.
• 49:55
  [SPEAKER_07]: Sure, and I could see that have you seen, you know, your your bastard son was asking in the chat if you had seen the what Baker had been saying,
• 50:05
  [SPEAKER_07]: He was really into, I have, there was a reporter talking about the hire and it said Falcons, Kevin Stephansky had a dumpster fire quarterback in Cleveland.
• 50:16
  [SPEAKER_07]: Baker may have filled in to Sean Watson failed what started a chain reaction to 11 other starters.
• 50:22
  [SPEAKER_07]: The cubic shooter Sanders closed out last season with seven starts and then Baker responded, failed as quite the reach pal still waiting on a text and call from him after I got
• 50:35
  [SPEAKER_05]: that's not a good so that doesn't really implied that's to fansky wasn't involved or in on that wants to move so the care a lot of Panthers that I guess we're still going to be looking around to see what the Tampa Bay buckhamers how they reload at land of the good spots of the first of the fansky being an offensive coach see if they've got the vision
• 51:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: they've got receipt with Drake London.
• 51:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: They've got some, they got pieces to work with for him to build an offense.
• 51:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: The question will be, how do they deal with the Michael Pinnock's junior?
• 51:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: His injury will he come back and be able to start?
• 51:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: Or will they?
• 51:17
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's the Fanski want to try to roll with the veteran.
• 51:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: Kirk Cousins, who won his last four games, took them on a four game win in streak.
• 51:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: uh... remorse that was fire before that four-day went and street right he was fired at Thanksgiving they just didn't tell them yet the fanski taken over in it land a tide bull's got to retool will ever grow be hired and will that be a blessing in disguise for the carolina panthers as they didn't will have to scramble to find a defensive coordinator c.k.
• 51:48
  [SPEAKER_05]: brought up a great name and shun big dermat exiled when he just bounces back and forth between buffalo
• 51:56
  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, and he gets hired again as a head coach and buffalo or he comes here.
• 52:00
  [SPEAKER_05]: How about Sean McDermott comes here?
• 52:02
  [SPEAKER_05]: What a storyline this would be defensive coach repills the defense.
• 52:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: Dave Canales in the offense, flounder.
• 52:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: The Panthers fire Dave Canales and promote Sean McDermott think of what a turn of events that could be in three years.
• 52:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: What if that was this storyline?
• 52:22
  [SPEAKER_05]: I know that's a wild one, but hey, we're just here in the offseason speculating the numbers two, five, two, two, eight, fifty, ninety eight.
• 52:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's two, five, two, two, eight, fifty, ninety eight.
• 52:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: When it comes to those coaches, let me see if I got anything else on Stephanski that I want to talk about.
• 52:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: The Giants get harbour.
• 52:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: Giants got them.
• 52:45
  [SPEAKER_07]: He got harbour all quick, like they most offered him him part ownership in the team or something because like that has quickly as he went over there was wild.
• 52:54
  [SPEAKER_07]: Now he is getting, you know, they might be the best worst team in the NFL.
• 53:00
  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, when you think about how their defensive line had been playing there, um, you know, they, they, they need some stability at quarterback and if Dart can be the guy, I think that's going to be positive, but I think his, um, his, you know, unwillingness to, uh, you know, shy away from contact might be a shortened career for him.
• 53:22
  [SPEAKER_07]: But they have some real pieces coming in, you know, with, you know, obviously they had all year, they lost what's the space.
• 53:33
  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.
• 53:36
  [SPEAKER_07]: The wide receiver was really good.
• 53:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, the giant?
• 53:41
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, they're, like, he was like set records his rookie year.
• 53:45
  [SPEAKER_07]: I can't, why can't I not make something?
• 53:50
  [SPEAKER_07]: I can't remember.
• 53:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: I lost that cool running back.
• 53:53
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that dude is a leak neighbors Yeah, I lost neighbors.
• 53:58
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and who was the running back?
• 54:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we've scat a boot.
• 54:03
  [SPEAKER_05]: Scat a boot.
• 54:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: Well done.
• 54:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: Well done.
• 54:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: Is that yeah, I mean, is it look.
• 54:08
  [SPEAKER_05]: He's got a defense that's got some real horses on it too.
• 54:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, look, can you believe Brian Barnes had 17 sacks.
• 54:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: Harba.
• 54:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: I like how we call them the New York football giants.
• 54:18
  [SPEAKER_05]: He said, in his interviews, like that's what my dad said they were called.
• 54:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: That's what we're going with.
• 54:23
  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, that talk about getting a head coach that can bring stability in and maybe find a way to stabilize this, you know, crazy thing.
• 54:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: Stephanski Harba, who else if any other coaching news that has broken, Sean McDerman out will be watching who the bills will Joe Brady would Joe Brady find a job with the Raiders will he be promoted in Buffalo.
• 54:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I mean, there's a lot of jobs still out on the table.
• 54:53
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think the Cardinals have to find somebody.
• 54:56
  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, who else Tennessee, I don't know if let's see what's the coaching tracker will do that.
• 55:03
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'll pull that up, but before we do that, or while I do that, let's get it and jump into the call CK.
• 55:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: We're taking your cat calls, the numbers two, five, two, two, two, eight, 50, 90, it would love for you to be a part of the show.
• 55:17
  [SPEAKER_05]: Let us know what your thoughts are on these coach, on the coaching care cell and still to come.
• 55:23
  [SPEAKER_05]: Ikki Aquana, injury, what does it mean for the cat?
• 55:25
  [SPEAKER_05]: What does it mean for the Carolina Panthers draft?
• 55:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: Will they have to find some insurance and free agency?
• 55:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: Let's go to these cat calls.
• 55:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: So what do your thoughts on cat calling?
• 55:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's pretty sh**t. They shouldn't do that to somebody.
• 55:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: And how do that make you feel?
• 55:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Very uncomfortable.
• 55:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: How do you think cat calling makes the person feel?
• 55:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: It feels good like...
• 55:43
  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
• 56:01
  [SPEAKER_13]: It's only done, prayers up for the one and only coated light.
• 56:07
  [SPEAKER_13]: What up y'all?
• 56:07
  [SPEAKER_13]: It's the hope that the chicken and real quick definitely keep in coating like an up prayers, man.
• 56:13
  [SPEAKER_13]: I heard what he said at the last show that y'all had, man.
• 56:19
  [SPEAKER_13]: So definitely plant warm, but I, man, I just want to kick this call off real quick because CJ's try out, now look.
• 56:29
  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm not the one to hate, okay?
• 56:31
  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm not the one to hate.
• 56:33
  [SPEAKER_13]: I like Bryce Young and CJ Stroud, but man, people that have been talking about, you know, we should have picked CJ Stroud of a Bryce Young.
• 56:43
  [SPEAKER_13]: Look y'all, sometimes a little bit of patience, man.
• 56:46
  [SPEAKER_13]: These are still young players, and it shows that game with CJ Stroud in the playoffs.
• 56:52
  [SPEAKER_13]: I know they both made it.
• 56:54
  [SPEAKER_13]: I know CJ made it one game after,
• 56:56
  [SPEAKER_13]: man eight in a section I think or eight turnovers in the playoffs man that's crazy so I'm just out of that narrative man just let these guys play out you know what I'm saying but eight college football is over it's time to start talking about the draft baby who got a guy man middle line back our office of line you know give me your thoughts on that but I got to say this man
• 57:24
  [SPEAKER_13]: Talk to you, talk with the alternative football action baby.
• 57:29
  [SPEAKER_13]: Go fish.
• 57:30
  [SPEAKER_13]: Go fish.
• 57:31
  [SPEAKER_13]: Let's go a number love for John D. Man doing this thing, you know what I'm saying?
• 57:36
  [SPEAKER_13]: But a man, this I hope, Dylan, I hope everybody's like that, you know, staying hopeful, but y'all keep counting.
• 57:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: Thanks for the call.
• 57:44
  [SPEAKER_05]: That's the hope dealer right there is talking about CJ Strauss just to two really bad games in the playoffs.
• 57:49
  [SPEAKER_05]: The CK is defense really made it happen for him and kept it around for that Steelers game was unable to overcome it that story lines between Bryce Young and CJ Strauss are inevitably intertwined because of the trade up the two the two quarterbacks to interest.
• 58:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: They are less intertwined on this show now where we don't have Cody, Effielite, because I find like I can like both, I don't have to, I think that price had a big game.
• 58:22
  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, he played, he's like, is this is kind of the it factor if we go back to where the wide price young was drafted.
• 58:30
  [SPEAKER_05]: Right, is that you're, you drafted because what it seemed like is the floor was lower, maybe the ceiling wasn't as high because of the physical attributes of Bryce Young.
• 58:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: But you got a guy that you thought was just so football intelligence and the leadership qualities.
• 58:48
  [SPEAKER_05]: He was, and while his game doesn't have physical intangibles in a sense, right?
• 58:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: As I guess, like he has some elite.
• 58:56
  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, he's athletic, he's proved to be remarkably durable.
• 59:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: He can make the throw, but it's not like he is cam blowing over people and doing Josh Allen stuff or can.
• 59:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: But one thing that is is that I felt like Bryce Young was largely drafted because there was an intangible it factor to him.
• 59:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that was in big moments on big stages and we see him overcoming a lot.
• 59:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: We saw him play a heck of a game and in the playoffs for the Carolina Panthers.
• 59:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: And now on the other hand, we've seen CJ Straud have a really rocket ship start to his career.
• 59:37
  [SPEAKER_05]: Consistent enough dealt with some injuries this year, but in the big stage at the big moments, has had some problems.
• 59:45
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
• 59:46
  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I think it's, uh,
• 59:48
  [SPEAKER_07]: it's we go back to you hear a lot of the same things that you know people were myself included saying that you know was going against the right young many of his years of you know he didn't have a Nico Collins out there his offensive line was just letting everybody through and all of those things are 100% true and I'm willing to give him grace in those moments.
• 1:00:13
  [SPEAKER_07]: As long as those same people are willing to give Bryce this same benefit of the doubt, when things have failed him, and it is your right, it is going to be a constant reminder, you know, I think in my opinion, I think in this year, I mean, obviously we only have one game to go off of, but.
• 1:00:32
  [SPEAKER_07]: I feel like Bryce Young outperformed many quarterbacks in his first debut in the quarterback in Realman.
• 1:00:43
  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know, man.
• 1:00:44
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think that it was a bit of a shock to me to see CJ Stroud have the struggles he did.
• 1:00:53
  [SPEAKER_07]: Not again, like the thing is it's not just one week.
• 1:01:02
  [SPEAKER_07]: but it was in spite of C.J.
• 1:01:06
  [SPEAKER_07]: Sherald, not because of him, and so I think that it is still, there is a reality that we have to talk about and that is that he didn't have his best guys out there.
• 1:01:19
  [SPEAKER_07]: Name me the guy, do you remember any other wide receivers names that were out there?
• 1:01:24
  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, no, I mean, the loss is tied in, loss is tied in, you had, I mean, you, you already went into it with your backup running back and Nick Chub having to take a the bulk of the carry throughout the year and then that didn't end up not working out, you know, long terms of their down to their third string running back in the play off like a undrafted free agent or right ramp, but the argument about stroud is.
• 1:01:50
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's been the hard part and this is hard to argue.
• 1:01:54
  [SPEAKER_07]: The part about Charlottes' tough is like he has done the opposite of Bryce.
• 1:01:59
  [SPEAKER_07]: He's gotten worse every year, not better.
• 1:02:03
  [SPEAKER_07]: And Bryce's consistently gotten better each year.
• 1:02:05
  [SPEAKER_07]: Now it's not a man like, yeah, it's not like he's going from, you know, he was going from one of the worst quarterbacks in the entire history of the NFL to being like, you know, a guy that you would be comfortable starting on your team if you're star quarterback we're out, right?
• 1:02:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: And if that progress continues, he'll be the star quarterback but right now he's not.
• 1:02:27
  [SPEAKER_07]: And so I think that, I don't know, I think that
• 1:02:33
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, that is an interesting, you know, a curve to see CJ Straug going on, because like he looked, he looked scared.
• 1:02:43
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, and he like it's it's it's such a wild transition to see him go where he was to like now it's just like it feels like he's afraid like he was like.
• 1:02:54
  [SPEAKER_07]: Like we talk about Bryce's feet, not getting like him getting happy feet.
• 1:02:58
  [SPEAKER_07]: Like CJ Strauss's happy feet has been, was next level.
• 1:03:03
  [SPEAKER_07]: Like it was like I was watching somebody who was just definitely afraid of any contact.
• 1:03:09
  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.
• 1:03:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think, you know, I'm not ultimately concerned about them and like that, or I don't think the text and need to be like, oh, are we, do we, do we have the right guy?
• 1:03:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think you're at that point.
• 1:03:22
  [SPEAKER_05]: Right, do you think it's interesting that, like you said, is the trajectory is they're kind of like two ships passing in the night right now.
• 1:03:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 1:03:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: In a sense, is that at least on the face, I think it's being, it's kind of being a, it's like hyperbolic and a little just these two back-to-back games.
• 1:03:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it had a fumble loss, like all season or one, all season.
• 1:03:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to retimes in the snaps, which is crazy.
• 1:03:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think it was, was it three or five?
• 1:03:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: I thought it was just a fumble.
• 1:03:44
  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, man.
• 1:03:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 1:03:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: But then he had these four, I mean, he's had two just shitty games at big moments.
• 1:03:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think what exacerbates it for the Texans.
• 1:03:53
  [SPEAKER_05]: is that like they thought after that year one is like man is like he's walking around Houston.
• 1:03:59
  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, yeah, out on earth.
• 1:04:02
  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, now you have the question with with CJ Stroud like
• 1:04:06
  [SPEAKER_07]: Like nobody's arguing that Bryce County is not going to get an extension this off season right we're going to be getting a fifth year option.
• 1:04:12
  [SPEAKER_07]: They're going to let him play out his fourth year and we'll see how this year goes before they make that choice CJ Stroud having the like having his first year be the way that it was.
• 1:04:24
  [SPEAKER_07]: I would be interested to see if the Texans are, because I mean, like, he was on the trajectory, like he should have been signed after this year, like to an extension.
• 1:04:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: Like, yeah, he was going to just work here.
• 1:04:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: He was going to get the Trevor Lawrence treatment based and even better or more deserved because of that first year.
• 1:04:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: And three playoff births.
• 1:04:47
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think this is like, I think that
• 1:04:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, they might be interested in fifth year option to potentially franchise tag or fifth year option and let's negotiate the deal as we see a little bit more.
• 1:05:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 1:05:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, but you know, you have these two players and really if you're if you're building the model that teams are trying to like they have to deal with and you pick a quarterback, you're getting the you like to have the window of development, you're bad team because you're picking number one.
• 1:05:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: And usually you're trying to load up to surround those guys in years three, four, and five with players where they can become, yeah, they're going to be good quarterbacks you're hoping they don't have to be kind of think of like Tom Brady's career, right?
• 1:05:32
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's like he said his early in his when he starts playing, it's the team around him that allows him to slowly come along.
• 1:05:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, then it's year 6, 7, 8, 9, but those guys now the cycles changed.
• 1:05:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: And if you are the dude, you're going to have to now work with teams.
• 1:05:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, a team that has to reallocate their cat.
• 1:05:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe kid gets you the best wide-outs and all of this all the time.
• 1:05:57
  [SPEAKER_05]: And right now, Bryce Young and CJ Straud are on teams that are trying to take advantage of rookie contracts and build around them.
• 1:06:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: The Texans have had a much better time of doing it because of that Sean Watson trade.
• 1:06:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe, and not having to give up assets like the Carolina Panthers did to have to move to number one.
• 1:06:17
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think that, you know, as a Panthers fan when we look at these two, it's easy to be optimistic.
• 1:06:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's like we're heartened by the performance of Bryce Young.
• 1:06:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: We're heartened by the performance and the growth of the team.
• 1:06:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: If you're the Texans,
• 1:06:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: A Texan fan, you're not heartening at all.
• 1:06:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: You're fucking pissed right now.
• 1:06:37
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you're pissed because you built this elite defense.
• 1:06:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: You thought you had this quarterback.
• 1:06:42
  [SPEAKER_05]: And he's actually going backwards while everybody else is walking forward.
• 1:06:46
  [SPEAKER_07]: And dude, if you don't think that defense is about to get gutted, you were at a, like that defense, like this was the year they had.
• 1:06:54
  [SPEAKER_07]: Like this was their opportunity.
• 1:06:57
  [SPEAKER_07]: When you hear people talking about it, like, you know, as watching,
• 1:07:00
  [SPEAKER_07]: Ocho, Siko, and Club Shashay or whatever it is, right?
• 1:07:07
  [SPEAKER_07]: And like they were talking about that defense, they have a lot of pieces that are going into, that we're in, this was their contract year.
• 1:07:16
  [SPEAKER_07]: and they were by and large the best defense like that like we talk about you know CJ shroud was out for a couple of games.
• 1:07:25
  [SPEAKER_07]: Davis Mills came in and the other defense was kept them going like their defense was I'm not gonna say the sole reason but was like the primary reason they stayed competitive as a team and so now like that that's going to change this year.
• 1:07:45
  [SPEAKER_07]: go Ryan's can do a repeat and like not maybe hope, but like we can expect that he'll get some guys out there playing at a high level again.
• 1:07:53
  [SPEAKER_07]: But like this was this was the opportunity.
• 1:07:57
  [SPEAKER_07]: And if you're if you're Texas fan, you're absolutely looking at this and you're like CJ Straout is buying large the reason we didn't because I mean if they made it next week they're going to the Super Bowl.
• 1:08:09
  [SPEAKER_07]: Right, whoever won that game against the Pats and the Texans was going to, it's going to make like that without a bonus.
• 1:08:17
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, without a bonus in there.
• 1:08:19
  [SPEAKER_07]: I just, I don't know that I trust that that team.
• 1:08:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: And so to have CJ shroud be the reason they didn't make it to the Super Bowl is, it's going to be a sour taste and a lot of people's mouths.
• 1:08:31
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's not even like, it's like,
• 1:08:33
  [SPEAKER_07]: Panthers fans can argue about the Cam Newton, you know, fumble situation and jumping on it or not jumping on it, but we can also make a lot of, you know, I wouldn't think excuses.
• 1:08:46
  [SPEAKER_07]: There's not a single text in fans going to make an excuse for CJ Stroud.
• 1:08:53
  [SPEAKER_05]: You had to wonder if there's Texan podcasters out there go and should the Texans be thinking about starting Davis Mills with the Texans be farther along if they had started Davis Mills right I mean I got imagine having the guts to go on a podcast and say that or you know that's kind of a it's a good little I mean we should send that Steven A Smith see how he does with that let's go back to the cat calls the numbers two five two two two eight fifty
• 1:09:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, y'all seen the news and everything, and I'm going to keep this short, simple and serious.
• 1:09:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: You see that Sean's not going to get a fire, but no flow pills, and I don't know what y'all are talking about this evening, and I know I'm the first call that's going to say this, but bring him back to Carolina as the DC police, police, let double e-go, I don't care you guys.
• 1:09:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: biologist contract or whatever or he gets hired operators or whoever man bring Sean back to care of a lot of and a my opinion who be the top 10 defenses and pepper I know you want to do this three four like the still as the Pittsburgh still is it one and three four and the man Sean comes back go back to the four three please please please please I can really see this happen in y'all
• 1:10:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I could see this happening and if we get that decision then I'd down the system at either come here or max cross me, oh my god, that would be something even though we saw was here.
• 1:10:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: We had the master of defense for the Panthers that was with Keith Lee, none of our linebackers that were Keith Lee for still.
• 1:10:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: We saw him coming back, I'm telling him that we would be something, I swear we would
• 1:10:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think a lot of a lot of people saying that he's going to take the piss work, stealers, hate coaching jobs.
• 1:10:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: But, uh, days with all the money that you get paid this bubble fucking to come back to Carolina as our 10% coordinator.
• 1:11:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Please, man, because that, that will put a smile on my bad face.
• 1:11:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: give me a sauce on that y'all, keep telling us.
• 1:11:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: What do you think the optics, you know, if you're as agent, if you're Sean McDermott, you're coming from a, I mean, just a incredible run.
• 1:11:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: Let me see what they're, I wonder how many winning seasons the bills have had.
• 1:11:26
  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, if he's not hired as a head coach, like, let's let's be real about something like that.
• 1:11:32
  [SPEAKER_07]: Something that's a problem, like he'd went in there to a team that has not been to the playoffs in like, we're not talking about just like years.
• 1:11:41
  [SPEAKER_07]: We're talking about decades.
• 1:11:43
  [SPEAKER_07]: He came in there and they were able to, he was able to turn it around.
• 1:11:46
  [SPEAKER_07]: Now, you know, he was able to get, you know, a generational quarterback in there.
• 1:11:52
  [SPEAKER_07]: I agree with that.
• 1:11:53
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, right.
• 1:11:55
  [SPEAKER_07]: Physicality and development was.
• 1:11:56
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I mean, I know that there's pieces to this that are, you know, we have to take into consideration, but at the end of the day, dude, like if you're not, like if you're not, if you're one of the people that are looking for a head coach and he's not on the top of the list of people that you're interested in interviewing,
• 1:12:18
  [SPEAKER_07]: I really don't know what you're doing, like, seriously.
• 1:12:21
  [SPEAKER_07]: I really don't.
• 1:12:23
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm starting to, uh, over, uh, the bills, and 2017 started with a nine and seven, uh, rookie season as a kid coach.
• 1:12:38
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think that was Josh Allen's rookie year maybe not entirely sure they lost in the wild card playoff sticker this they hadn't been to a playoff win since 1999 they go in 2017 to there then they go six and ten to following here but then they go ten and six
• 1:12:59
  [SPEAKER_05]: wild card law, uh, wild card to the Texans and overtime loss.
• 1:13:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: Why is it say lost?
• 1:13:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, because they're, uh, they finish first in 2020, 13 and three.
• 1:13:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, they won divisional playoffs and lost to the chiefs and the AFC championship.
• 1:13:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: Finish first again.
• 1:13:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: They finished first.
• 1:13:22
  [SPEAKER_05]: 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 years in row.
• 1:13:27
  [SPEAKER_05]: Say, we'll off 13, 3, 11, 6, 13, 3, 11, 6, 13, and 4.
• 1:13:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: This year, finished 12 and 5.
• 1:13:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: But what I was asking is, what do you think the optics are as a guy who's coming out of that think of this is like, I'm kind of surprised that the team did it there then there's this guy idea.
• 1:13:44
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's like a fire and Marty shot and hammer back in the day when he finished like 14 and two and they lost the same.
• 1:13:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: This is like to fire and Marty shot and hammer is you just don't think he can get you over.
• 1:13:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: Somehow there's something missing to just get that final.
• 1:13:59
  [SPEAKER_05]: Barst of of whatever success.
• 1:14:03
  [SPEAKER_05]: With the obviously, like you're coming, if you're Sean McDermott, you're marking yourself as this is look at my resume dude.
• 1:14:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: Look at my resume.
• 1:14:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: You can say Josh Allen, but look at what we did there.
• 1:14:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I am a guy who has a better resume than any of these other duty interview.
• 1:14:18
  [SPEAKER_05]: And if he goes into a DC role, doesn't that kind of like do something to like wouldn't be better for him just take a year off?
• 1:14:29
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I mean, you wouldn't argue, yes, I mean, but it also depends upon what he's looking for.
• 1:14:36
  [SPEAKER_07]: But I mean, yeah, I think I think you're going to do, he would take the frable approach, right?
• 1:14:40
  [SPEAKER_07]: You're going to take it way for your opportunity that's going to be the better option.
• 1:14:43
  [SPEAKER_07]: And it worked out well for variable.
• 1:14:46
  [SPEAKER_07]: So I could see that being a situation that McDermott doesn't take a roll like that.
• 1:14:52
  [SPEAKER_07]: So I mean, that's a fair point.
• 1:14:54
  [SPEAKER_07]: I also don't know how much I'm
• 1:14:59
  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I, I, it's always going to be a pipe during that we're going to be going able to be able to even obtain a McDermott again anyway.
• 1:15:09
  [SPEAKER_07]: So no matter what, I think we're coming out this with like a bit of a, you know, we're not, we're, we're, we're already kind of handcuffs.
• 1:15:16
  [SPEAKER_07]: So if he does take the year, maybe we have a really bad year and we get rid of a canalice and maybe he comes to care a lot of things.
• 1:15:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe let's go back to the calls.
• 1:15:29
  [SPEAKER_09]: of a question for you should they still call it college fortfall student athletes or should they call it junior professional football pay to play because the national champion Indiana Hoosiers happy for them average age of their players on their roster 23 years old the quarterback of the necklace Miami hurricanes e-graduated college two years ago decided 10 classes again paid like four million dollars the quarterback
• 1:15:58
  [SPEAKER_09]: Six years ago he's going on a seventh year and he's going to stay in school and play for the Oregon ducks because we're going to give him $60 million dollars so he will not go into the NFL draft you know he'd be a first on draft choice And here are players moving around in the transfer portal and moving up to the highest bitter getting paid So what's your thought this college football really college?
• 1:16:20
  [SPEAKER_09]: What's more anymore?
• 1:16:21
  [SPEAKER_09]: And it's just going to be better or worse for the game Thank you gentlemen.
• 1:16:24
  [SPEAKER_09]: Bye bye
• 1:16:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, big shout out.
• 1:16:27
  [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you for the call.
• 1:16:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: Also, a super shout out to D till for the $5 super chat.
• 1:16:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you for your support and the show says get my German out of y'all's heads.
• 1:16:42
  [SPEAKER_05]: He get the head coach job.
• 1:16:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's not happening.
• 1:16:44
  [SPEAKER_05]: I agree.
• 1:16:44
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's like a man.
• 1:16:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 1:16:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: Is I think it would be a travesty, like I mean, why would he not get hired?
• 1:16:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's like a horrible S type move is like, man, I just shouldn't have gotten fired in this case, I do think that if you are.
• 1:17:00
  [SPEAKER_05]: Sean McDermott you're not taking a T.C.
• 1:17:03
  [SPEAKER_05]: and just like, oh, it's better for my family and this and that you're either taking time away.
• 1:17:08
  [SPEAKER_05]: You don't want to deal with your brand to get mixed up into somebody else or you just get washed into a coordinator role.
• 1:17:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe coming to do that if there's not a lot of interest going forward for some of us are reason.
• 1:17:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think, well, the caller that we're going, so I agree with you is that that's not going to happen, but
• 1:17:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, it probably being more likely for Sean McDermott to be the future head coach of the Carolina Panthers than to him be a defensive coordinator in Panthers future, right?
• 1:17:38
  [SPEAKER_05]: Like the odds have to be more in favor of that than they are for defensive coordinator.
• 1:17:43
  [SPEAKER_07]: The only argument would be that you could say that he goes backwards is if he really just did not enjoy his time as a head coach.
• 1:17:52
  [SPEAKER_07]: right you know that would be that would be the only thing i see but at that point in time are you gonna enjoy being a coach of any capacity
• 1:17:59
  [SPEAKER_07]: Like are you going to, are you better off just taking that generational wealth that you've, you know, basically found yourself with and just letting yourself enjoy the rest of your life and not worrying about it?
• 1:18:13
  [SPEAKER_07]: Or is, if legacy is really important to you, then yeah, you're probably going to hold off for that head coaching position.
• 1:18:19
  [SPEAKER_07]: But I agree.
• 1:18:20
  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm dropping back to a divots and coordinator.
• 1:18:22
  [SPEAKER_07]: is going to be a slim chance all together.
• 1:18:27
  [SPEAKER_07]: But listen, it's panther strands.
• 1:18:29
  [SPEAKER_07]: We can always hope and pray and just like we would like to see Luke come back and some capacity in a coaching role or something to get these guys right.
• 1:18:38
  [SPEAKER_07]: But those are all pipe dreams, those are things that are not likely to happen and if they if they ever did, we're all going to be ecstatic, but when we bring it up, it's intended to be out of just the sheer excitement that that would bring it similar to what we talked about.
• 1:18:53
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, when when when when Matt rule came and took over the team and then we were halfway through that one year and Sam Donald ended up, you know, getting hurt if I'm not mistaken.
• 1:19:04
  [SPEAKER_07]: And so we brought back Cam Newton.
• 1:19:06
  [SPEAKER_07]: This was like the most unprecedented thing.
• 1:19:09
  [SPEAKER_07]: We all were hoping that something like that would happen, but nobody thought it was actually going to happen.
• 1:19:15
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
• 1:19:15
  [SPEAKER_07]: And it did happen.
• 1:19:16
  [SPEAKER_07]: And that's what I would look at this as maybe not to the same level of excitement.
• 1:19:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: on a like it's not likely to happen, but I tell you what our numbers are going to be through the roof on the podcast the moment it does.
• 1:19:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think it'd be awesome, and we got to get with we got a team up with a sports gambling site and like a not a fantasy football but like a sports gambling site because we just got on a cool odds predictor is you could
• 1:19:49
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's like 10 to 1 being the Panthers quarterback code head coach before 20 30 and then you could be like 100 to 1 that he'd be their defensive coordinator before 20 35 right I mean so the odds would be like that back to the calls the the caller brought up a CK Indiana goes from the bottom of the barrels and national championships.
• 1:20:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: uh... code it leaves out a bama next segment as the head coach is a why the heck would you do this he's like i basically i think i can and he went did it and uh... you talked about the average age but talking about the state of college football and i think this call originated from this clip uh... this is what course and back from my amy former uh...
• 1:20:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: quarterback for the Georgia Bulldogs being asked about class.
• 1:20:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did you have class yesterday?
• 1:20:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: If so, what class?
• 1:20:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I know there was a pep rally on campus.
• 1:20:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: What has it been like being you as a student this week, particularly yesterday?
• 1:20:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, no class.
• 1:20:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: I graduated two years ago.
• 1:20:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: So, um, obviously, uh, did you have that, uh, uh, uh, the idea that, you know, athletes are not simultaneously taking classes.
• 1:21:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think the other thing is, is that, I mean, that's always probably been part of the scenario, right, because of your eligibility when you finish some guys, you know, or leave them early.
• 1:21:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: But, you know, it's the incentive was to get the heck out of college as fast as you can to go get money, get real money, even though he's in college.
• 1:21:23
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you're making more money in college.
• 1:21:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: These guys are making 10 times the amount of money that he's going to make in the NFL.
• 1:21:30
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think, because right now is like he's really valuable.
• 1:21:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: these guys are really valuable to this larger system of college football man you're going to consolidate it and NFL people stick around for multiple years beyond and the idea of you getting a big payday he's getting a big payday right now these guys at these different schools yeah I think college I don't even know to the to the collar though is that there's always been an element
• 1:22:02
  [SPEAKER_05]: that college football was semi-pro or forceful that they're breaking in all of these billions.
• 1:22:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: Players weren't getting this big cut, but it was still about money.
• 1:22:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: Pow, you know,
• 1:22:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: it was there was a real dynamic of money power in the background all along and I all just said here we're taking back the curtain guess what this is what it's all about and uh who knows i mean i i think that college football we don't know what direction it's going we don't but i'll leave the color with this decay
• 1:22:38
  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, peace games.
• 1:22:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: You remember what we watch any of those.
• 1:22:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: I haven't know is a good.
• 1:22:42
  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
• 1:22:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 1:22:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
• 1:22:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
• 1:22:44
  [SPEAKER_05]: I just went back and watched part of the first season.
• 1:22:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: Not like, uh, but I live in Greenland with Carolina home of peace games too.
• 1:22:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
• 1:22:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: And you have Mr.
• 1:22:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: Beast, who is always doing how can we take money and make y'all so interested in the pursuit of money or the reward of money that you'll watch my video to where I'll make more money than I spent.
• 1:23:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: I can spend a ludicrous amount of money.
• 1:23:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: If I make ludicrous amounts, what if Mr.
• 1:23:17
  [SPEAKER_05]: Beast personally funds East Carolina football program as a donor with the idea of work I'm going to take this and I give you five years of the most or two years maybe even if you just to two years I will make sure you have more and I own money and anybody
• 1:23:38
  [SPEAKER_05]: And see if we can make East Carolina university, college national champions in two years think of and like Mr.
• 1:23:48
  [SPEAKER_05]: Beast has to do press conferences like he has to be like he's like I'm taking a problem.
• 1:23:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to do some real I'm a we're going to take this as far as we can.
• 1:23:57
  [SPEAKER_05]: Pull back the curtain Mr.
• 1:24:00
  [SPEAKER_05]: Beast bring C3 along for the party.
• 1:24:03
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm here in Greenville waiting for you change my life so mad at the beast games dude and once I watch him like you idiots just passed a million dollars because you don't want to make your you know your friends with these people shut up.
• 1:24:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: All right, let's go back to the coast.
• 1:24:21
  [SPEAKER_10]: Hey guys, the girl, I'll make some power to enjoy the blind cancer.
• 1:24:25
  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I'm calling on the pick on the security lab.
• 1:24:28
  [SPEAKER_10]: DJ Stroud was straight apps.
• 1:24:31
  [SPEAKER_10]: The second way I'm gaming a row.
• 1:24:35
  [SPEAKER_10]: OK, let's just call it when it is.
• 1:24:38
  [SPEAKER_10]: Straight apps for a second play off gaming a row.
• 1:24:43
  [SPEAKER_10]: It's not like, I mean, I'm not saying
• 1:24:49
  [SPEAKER_10]: and he didn't do anything to get them there.
• 1:24:53
  [SPEAKER_10]: But, what, man, Davis Reynolds didn't want to do it.
• 1:24:58
  [SPEAKER_10]: But they went on that research and when Davis Reynolds was a little bit of an infecingious shroud because when he went out.
• 1:25:07
  [SPEAKER_10]: And I was like, I hope she did.
• 1:25:09
  [SPEAKER_10]: Don't come back as I enjoy listening to people talk about this team with Davis Reynolds because they were good.
• 1:25:17
  [SPEAKER_10]: He was the reason they famously had the number two pick instead of the number one.
• 1:25:24
  [SPEAKER_10]: And we say their assets from dirt are, no, and they were, because guess what?
• 1:25:30
  [SPEAKER_10]: They wanted Bryce Young.
• 1:25:32
  [SPEAKER_10]: Y'all remember they wanted Bryce Young.
• 1:25:35
  [SPEAKER_10]: And he wanted Bryce.
• 1:25:38
  [SPEAKER_10]: Well, we got Bryce.
• 1:25:42
  [SPEAKER_10]: Bryce Young is actually beaten.
• 1:25:47
  [SPEAKER_10]: Uh, Rice Young played better on the playoff than CJ Stroud, except for his rookie year.
• 1:25:54
  [SPEAKER_10]: So, yeah, let's take our victory lap, guys.
• 1:26:01
  [SPEAKER_10]: Anyway,
• 1:26:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: going back to the coaching care cell.
• 1:26:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: We talked a little bit at the beginning of the show on Kevin Stephanski becoming the Atlanta head coach and some of the Jim Harbaugh going to the New York football giants.
• 1:26:23
  [SPEAKER_05]: There's still a lot of moves to be made in this NFL landscape of head coach and just a real quick run through the Tampa Bay Buckebiers or higher in a special Danny Smith as special teams coordinator.
• 1:26:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: All the Tennessee Titans made their head coach
• 1:26:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: looks like the head the Tennessee Titans are going to be head hiring head coach Robert Sala or that he is the 49ers defensive coordinators their next head coach or Tennessee is expected to hire Robert Sala the 49ers defensive coordinators their next head coach my amy has hired Jeff halfly packers defensive coordinator is their next head coach and as acquired their general manager
• 1:27:08
  [SPEAKER_05]: Offensive Detroit got their offensive coordinator and Drew Pet Singh who was the Cardinals offence of coordinator for last three season in Atlanta failed to import jobs with Kevin Stephanski and President football operations Matt Ryan John Harbaugh to the New York football giants the commanders have gotten offensive coordinator David Below.
• 1:27:37
  [SPEAKER_07]: going back was he with the commanders maybe no he wasn't one point out if he was this year or not, but I mean he did get hired to the commanders as their offensive coordinator like three maybe they fired him and yeah went and got what's his name former writer Clinton or oh gosh what does this guy yeah the guy from the cardinals yeah
• 1:28:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, so head said those are the most no.
• 1:28:08
  [SPEAKER_05]: This is notable high rings around the block and still some movement may be made.
• 1:28:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: We'll be watching this series.
• 1:28:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, Cliff King's Mary.
• 1:28:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: We'll be watching to see Will Agiro Everrow get some interest is got two interviews from the Las Vegas Raiders, but kind of a long shot or an outlier.
• 1:28:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: for an opportunity to become head coach.
• 1:28:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: But it may happen.
• 1:28:30
  [SPEAKER_05]: How would the Carolina Panthers respond at the defensive coordinator?
• 1:28:32
  [SPEAKER_05]: Let's go down.
• 1:28:33
  [SPEAKER_07]: I really hope, I really hope somebody gives them a chance.
• 1:28:35
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think the dude, like, it's hard.
• 1:28:39
  [SPEAKER_07]: He's worked hard his entire life.
• 1:28:41
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think he's got the players.
• 1:28:43
  [SPEAKER_07]: He's earned his way into the position that he's in right now.
• 1:28:47
  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, he's somehow swayed to two different coaching staffs
• 1:28:55
  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean for very good reason.
• 1:28:58
  [SPEAKER_07]: I really think the dude deserves an opportunity.
• 1:29:01
  [SPEAKER_07]: Nils, let's call up Oakland or Las Vegas rather than this guy's the dude.
• 1:29:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's bug.
• 1:29:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: See what you got there.
• 1:29:08
  [SPEAKER_05]: He runs the three four.
• 1:29:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: He runs the three four.
• 1:29:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: Be a good fit for you.
• 1:29:12
  [SPEAKER_07]: I would go up there and kill with what they have.
• 1:29:14
  [SPEAKER_07]: That's the problem.
• 1:29:15
  [SPEAKER_07]: He would go up there and just unleash your defense.
• 1:29:18
  [SPEAKER_05]: Everybody be like, oh, you guys don't junk about ever.
• 1:29:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: Next call.
• 1:29:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: Two left.
• 1:29:23
  [SPEAKER_11]: Hey, hey, hey, hey, did you know who the fuck it is?
• 1:29:28
  [SPEAKER_11]: We're so boy, it's a boy car!
• 1:29:31
  [SPEAKER_11]: Who was Gucci with my boys?
• 1:29:34
  [SPEAKER_11]: Who was Gucci with your coat, relax?
• 1:29:36
  [SPEAKER_11]: Who was Gucci with your secrets?
• 1:29:38
  [SPEAKER_11]: And who was Gucci with my white Italian brother?
• 1:29:42
  [SPEAKER_11]: Let's get into it.
• 1:29:44
  [SPEAKER_12]: A lot of you motherfuckers have a lot of explaining to you.
• 1:29:48
  [SPEAKER_12]: A lot of you motherfuckers have a lot.
• 1:29:53
  [SPEAKER_12]: explained to do.
• 1:29:57
  [SPEAKER_12]: As of right now, there's maybe one QB that's better than brushing this graph so far.
• 1:30:08
  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm not saying C-day, C-day shroud, C-day strad.
• 1:30:14
  [SPEAKER_12]: You know, that's not crucified year one of
• 1:30:19
  [SPEAKER_12]: King Bryce, 10-year, okay, I know I got crucified and Bryce runs year two, 10-year, and Carolina.
• 1:30:29
  [SPEAKER_12]: Shit, hell, I even got crucified in his third year, even though he took us to the plough, now I'll know about to be working the year, fetish out of the first player with five-plus intersections and five-plus bundles in a single postseason.
• 1:30:50
  [SPEAKER_12]: just fans and to take you ages uh... this is just really just showing a lot of people wrote uh... just so-called panther fans is just the end of pushing the narrative push it is just broke a lot of you motherfuckers have a lot of explaining to you all that noodle arm the motherfuckers that kappa said we don't have a vertical passing game
• 1:31:18
  [SPEAKER_12]: Bryce Young got the number one deep ball.
• 1:31:20
  [SPEAKER_12]: He's the number one deep ball specialist in the entire NFL.
• 1:31:23
  [SPEAKER_12]: It's just like, but when I come in here, I listen to some motherfuckers of C3 and just motherfuckers.
• 1:31:32
  [SPEAKER_12]: It's just a particular, just a empathic ace and just question these big genders and these dare to do it.
• 1:31:37
  [SPEAKER_12]: It just aren't true, man.
• 1:31:38
  [SPEAKER_12]: It's just, it's just, it's just wild, man.
• 1:31:42
  [SPEAKER_12]: I haven't called in for a while, bro.
• 1:31:44
  [SPEAKER_12]: I, I, I, I let it play out.
• 1:31:48
  [SPEAKER_12]: I let my fuckers look completely stupid, but nevertheless, we won the NFC South now is going to be a rookie of your co-creator breakout year, a lot of just great defensive pieces on the defensive side of the ball.
• 1:32:06
  [SPEAKER_12]: My widest time, but I got one more call, I'm calling back.
• 1:32:12
  [SPEAKER_05]: All right, let's say we'll just finish out with G, baby, and we got one last segment
• 1:32:17
  [SPEAKER_12]: It's just it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's
• 1:32:41
  [SPEAKER_12]: I don't look at a lot of motherfuckers sideways.
• 1:32:44
  [SPEAKER_12]: I really do, because a lot of motherfuckers just don't know ball, just don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
• 1:32:49
  [SPEAKER_12]: But nevertheless, he's arrowy, narrow, just finished the second interview with the Las Vegas Raiders.
• 1:32:57
  [SPEAKER_12]: I have an inkling.
• 1:32:59
  [SPEAKER_12]: I have a great feeling that he will be the head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders, which means we will get those two extra.
• 1:33:08
  [SPEAKER_12]: third round pick that will give us three third round picks that was much needed with that being said we need to bring some German back to Carolina and bring that fourth 3D defense back to Carolina.
• 1:33:23
  [SPEAKER_12]: That would make a lot of people happy including myself because the fourth 3D defense needs to be back to Carolina as far as players that need to be signed.
• 1:33:31
  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm a really happy that we didn't trade for $300 last season because we would have had to trade a boatload of pics, and I'm Oregoning companies did the right thing, they were patient, they understand where you're in a true rebuff, now we have enough money and ammunition to go find a $300, but put them on the edge alongside of Nick Scoring, and then you got principally coming off of the bench.
• 1:34:00
  [SPEAKER_12]: There's a few particular online lectures that I would love to carry on on a passage to pick.
• 1:34:08
  [SPEAKER_12]: Anthony Hill Jr., Sony Stiles, I think I'll park you into the company.
• 1:34:16
  [SPEAKER_12]: There's a lot of water, so this is a deep wide receiver class as well.
• 1:34:21
  [SPEAKER_12]: Voice is the hot season, it's mock draft time, it is definitely draft time.
• 1:34:30
  [SPEAKER_12]: Um, deaf and hover, um, see the, uh, see they shout, but the mother fucker that has the highest chance of assessing us, the team, uh, the cold, the bloody killer, the clutch knicker, the dude that's your fucking C U B, Bryce Christopher fucking young, you don't support any sense.
• 1:35:01
  [SPEAKER_12]: my time, but I love you well.
• 1:35:03
  [SPEAKER_12]: I hope you're doing good.
• 1:35:04
  [SPEAKER_12]: I hope you do well.
• 1:35:05
  [SPEAKER_12]: She can't use well.
• 1:35:06
  [SPEAKER_12]: I love you.
• 1:35:07
  [SPEAKER_12]: I love you guys.
• 1:35:08
  [SPEAKER_12]: Hey, y'all take care.
• 1:35:09
  [SPEAKER_12]: Y'all know who it is.
• 1:35:10
  [SPEAKER_12]: See you later.
• 1:35:11
  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm out.
• 1:35:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just,
• 1:35:22
  [SPEAKER_05]: is the kind of genesis of this show is looking or I guess the one content thing going forward specifically and like looking at what this answer team has to deal with in the immediate off-season going forward comes back to a major injury suffered by a Kim Akwana in the final game of the season.
• 1:35:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: ruptured, patella, patella tendon happened just like six plays into the game for, for Iki, right?
• 1:35:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: And this is going to bring up some major questions or at least this definitely complicates the matter, right?
• 1:36:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: Because this is a long, it's a difficult recovery six to 12 months.
• 1:36:08
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'll talk a little bit about what Jimmy Graham said when he had to go through this,
• 1:36:12
  [SPEAKER_05]: and you're talking about a big body type.
• 1:36:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe you don't need the explosiveness and things to the level of a receiver.
• 1:36:18
  [SPEAKER_05]: So maybe this is a shorter.
• 1:36:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: We don't know.
• 1:36:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: We'll see how long this is.
• 1:36:22
  [SPEAKER_05]: But at the very best case scenario, Ikki is going to be questionable to be starting at the beginning of the 2026 season.
• 1:36:30
  [SPEAKER_05]: There's a question if he would and it could play at all in 2026.
• 1:36:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: The real financial hiccup here is that Iggy's fifth year options, 17 million dollars fully guaranteed.
• 1:36:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: And this was with an offensive line that already accounts a massive portion of the Carolina Panthers financial obligations at 140.
• 1:36:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: 345 million and you've got Robert Hunt, a big giant price tag or feature of that offensive line also paddling an injury way mainly came back hopefully he'll be full strength.
• 1:37:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: but you also got to think this cave maze Austin Corbett both pending free agents.
• 1:37:27
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 1:37:27
  [SPEAKER_05]: And Carolina's gonna have some questions to do.
• 1:37:30
  [SPEAKER_05]: Do questions facing them at offensive line?
• 1:37:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: How do they do this?
• 1:37:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: What is the way that you keep purchase?
• 1:37:37
  [SPEAKER_05]: What, it keep insurance?
• 1:37:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: Are you purchasing CK?
• 1:37:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: How do you think that the Carolina Panthers, how much is this a really giant piece to the Panthers puzzle?
• 1:37:50
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think it's a big piece to the puzzle because it brings up a midway through the season.
• 1:38:00
  [SPEAKER_07]: we knew we needed to design a key.
• 1:38:02
  [SPEAKER_07]: We are geniuses for not doing it at this point.
• 1:38:06
  [SPEAKER_07]: Could you imagine us having found out that we just paid a key like top five left tackle money?
• 1:38:13
  [SPEAKER_07]: He had the last three games that he did at the season where he was just getting pushed around and bullied again.
• 1:38:19
  [SPEAKER_07]: Only to find out that he gets injured to where he might not even be able to play
• 1:38:27
  [SPEAKER_07]: like I listen there's not many things that I'm that I would I would say that you know I can see divinity in but I'm telling you has a Panthers fan if you don't look at this and think man thank God that Dan Morgan didn't jump the gun on that decision and signed him to a long-term contract before this injury
• 1:38:47
  [SPEAKER_07]: The answer to your question is, yeah, it does bring up a mass of question.
• 1:38:51
  [SPEAKER_07]: It is going to inevitably be about whether we think we need to put somebody in there that can handle the starting role temporarily with the expectation that you're going to bring a key upon you back.
• 1:39:04
  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, or are you really just planning for life after you're after Iki?
• 1:39:08
  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, and at this point in time, I don't really know that there's a lot of people convincing me that we're not planning for life after Iki right now.
• 1:39:16
  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, I think you really have to keep that, like this is a significant injury.
• 1:39:21
  [SPEAKER_07]: And the worst possible time for this young man.
• 1:39:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I mean it's it's and it sucks because like he is a he grew up a Panthers fan and that's always like like we wanted it to be a really happy ending and you know we wanted him to be able to get the the the the star treatment get the money from his hometown team and everything but realistically speaking it's he's been a good left tackle he hasn't been a liability
• 1:39:51
  [SPEAKER_07]: been a big part of why there has been some big problems in this offense on occasion.
• 1:39:56
  [SPEAKER_07]: And so I don't know, man, I really don't know what the answer is here.
• 1:40:01
  [SPEAKER_07]: I'll just tell you what.
• 1:40:02
  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm just very happy that I'm not in the shoes of Dan Morgan trying to figure this all out.
• 1:40:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, heart goes out to a chemical quantity is going to have to battle what Jimmy Graham described he said if you want to if this is something you want to beat you have to work harder than you've ever worked in your entire life no matter what anyone tells you about the recovery from this surgery is how he phrased it from this injury.
• 1:40:25
  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, a really my heart goes out to a chemical quantity because not only were you secured in that fifth year option is that you were entering negotiations for what will be, what all players, top players, the goal is to get that first big contract and hopefully find a pathway to getting a second big contract or more contracts, having a long, you know, this is the first goal in a great career is to, to achieving and getting paid.
• 1:40:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: And then it's just about longevity and how you continue to grow.
• 1:40:57
  [SPEAKER_05]: For Kimmel Quander, this is really problematic because the Carolina Panthers, while they are able, you know, they're going to give them the 17-5, is that they're not in a hurry now to negotiate an extension.
• 1:41:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: Right, and so that is this is a money of this is a giant money loss likely for Kim Aquano.
• 1:41:17
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, because if he comes back to the Panthers, I'm telling you he's not getting like he's not getting what he was worth halfway through this season.
• 1:41:24
  [SPEAKER_07]: They're going to see.
• 1:41:25
  [SPEAKER_07]: They're going to need to see them play.
• 1:41:27
  [SPEAKER_07]: They're going to fight.
• 1:41:27
  [SPEAKER_07]: He's going to get the Austin Corbett treatment where they give them, they bring them back for one year and let him prove it like to approve it deal.
• 1:41:35
  [SPEAKER_07]: And if, you know, that may cost us in the long run, but I mean, heck, they might, they might sign them on a home town discount coming off of an injury deal.
• 1:41:45
  [SPEAKER_07]: And
• 1:41:45
  [SPEAKER_07]: you know, I don't know that I'd be proud if he was if he was paid top half of the league web tackle money and they extended them for a three year thing.
• 1:41:53
  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't think I'd be upset by it because it does like I'd like the stability that he offers.
• 1:41:58
  [SPEAKER_07]: He's not fantastic.
• 1:42:00
  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm not going to sit here and say that he deserves top five money.
• 1:42:03
  [SPEAKER_07]: But, you know, it would be nice to have that stability on the left side with things starting to kind of mesh with this offense.
• 1:42:12
  [SPEAKER_07]: They're, you know, throughout this season as inconsistent as people are going to, you know, point out.
• 1:42:17
  [SPEAKER_07]: But I'm not opposed to bringing them back, but I just don't think that we're doing it in a significant, you know, with a significant amount of money.
• 1:42:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'll get to what I think we could have him with a chemical and a good bad and ugly with the Carolina Panthers.
• 1:42:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: But first starting out is how do the Carolina Panthers respond to this and go in forward is, and for me, it's hard to believe, C. K. that, Dan Morgan, who came in and his first top, his first priority was to fix this offensive line, paid the money to do it.
• 1:42:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: He is yet to draft an offensive lineman.
• 1:42:59
  [SPEAKER_05]: Dan Morgan, I don't think he's driving offence with one of my period.
• 1:43:02
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not sure.
• 1:43:02
  [SPEAKER_05]: I have to check that.
• 1:43:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: Dan Morgan, I do not believe is ready to let go of an improved offensive line showing how how required it is for the pay at there's offense to generate a good run game also to continue to find get the most out of Bryce Young that they're going to be able to get to go and forward.
• 1:43:22
  [SPEAKER_05]: I cannot believe that he just goes into this season saying I hope we can patch work it.
• 1:43:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: until it gets back.
• 1:43:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think that would be a rise because the timeline would be the pressure on that timeline for it to work would be impossible.
• 1:43:38
  [SPEAKER_05]: So I think now he has to make a, it's going to be a very important decision to care a lot of Panthers piecemeal this patchwork this through free agency.
• 1:43:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: Do you go out there and try to get a, you know, a bigger name, something like to the effect of Rashid Walker from the Packers, you know, 26 year old starting caliber and you're going this is we got to get some but something and we just hope it works out with it.
• 1:44:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: Or do I mean, or do the Carolina Panthers high up now dip into the draft and try to get somebody that they can then have a Brady Christians and and then compete with the idea that maybe this top pick at left tackle will go ahead and step in and we'll have to deal with that come a corner component later.
• 1:44:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: So I think that's the first question which one how do the Panthers do this do they go there's three possible ways right now is you go into free agency and you get somebody just a guy.
• 1:44:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: that you're going to try to make it work and then maybe if he comes back the following year and you're back to having a strong offensive line.
• 1:44:42
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think you can go into free agency and get a high end guy and just say, we've got to keep this wall.
• 1:44:48
  [SPEAKER_05]: And then there is the option of going into the draft.
• 1:44:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: CK, I think the final thing is, which one of those options do you see in your first
• 1:45:05
  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't see us investing free agent money on a left tackle in a significant way as expensive as a offensive line is already in the fact that he's going to be eating up so much of that campus space.
• 1:45:17
  [SPEAKER_07]: I know that sounds like, you know, with what his total is going to be, it's not going to be crazy, but it's still so significant enough to where we need to.
• 1:45:25
  [SPEAKER_07]: you know, be mindful of it.
• 1:45:27
  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, so I don't think I think the thing you are worried about is going to be reality.
• 1:45:34
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think we're going to be going into this with a third string left tackle that they see as being a potential to do something good.
• 1:45:43
  [SPEAKER_07]: With maybe a, uh, you know, bringing back a Brady Kristen Center, you know, Austin Corbett or something like that to just try to give yourself a little bit more depth at the position.
• 1:45:55
  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I mean, he was he was a pretty decent backup for us.
• 1:46:05
  [SPEAKER_07]: So I'm not I'm not going to be mad if that word would be the case.
• 1:46:08
  [SPEAKER_07]: But I think your fear is what's going to be reality.
• 1:46:11
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think this will be a. I don't want to say patchwork, but I think they will start over at the left tackle position with the expectation that they're still going to try I think they'll still try to sign a quantum.
• 1:46:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: to a longer term deal, but they probably aren't going to give him the money that he's wouldn't, he's going to want.
• 1:46:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: If that's the KCK and that's how the Panthers have to progress going forward, then I want the Carolina Panthers to consider drafting a left tackle with just number 19 pick and go ahead and maybe you're going to be in a draft where other place, I don't know enough about the board and where what kind of caliber tackle, but if you could get a tackle,
• 1:46:48
  [SPEAKER_05]: that could be or a player that will hope be a tackle, but at the worst could be a good guard or something to that effect.
• 1:46:56
  [SPEAKER_05]: If you get that and you're able to replenish the offensive line in a long calibrated way, like a sustainable way.
• 1:47:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: So when you do have to deal with the backends of Robert Hunt's contract, Damien Lewis contract, right, is that you have this.
• 1:47:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: And then the question, I'd like to see this pan out.
• 1:47:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: So you go out, you find a way to sign an instrument or you get
• 1:47:18
  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, serviceable, you draft a guy in the first round with the idea is like, hey, he can study under this guy and imagine if he's good enough to play and start then you're even better, but you don't have this immediate like he's got to start from day one because it's not a number one pick is not top five pick.
• 1:47:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: You're talking about a middle of the pack first round pick and then what if a corner comes back maybe not this year, but next year.
• 1:47:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: And what if you're in a situation where you go, hey, I mean, obviously the injury is unfortunate.
• 1:47:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: We want you to be a part of the team.
• 1:47:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe play a couple of games in the back into this season that maybe suggested that you were training the right direction or something to that effect.
• 1:48:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: And then you think about life after Taylor Moton.
• 1:48:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 1:48:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe get in a corner at right.
• 1:48:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: tackle or maybe you're putting him back at left tackle and then moving your new pick, your high pick to the right side.
• 1:48:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: You have to find a way to continue to build, like as we can't just have a complete overhaul of the offensive line.
• 1:48:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: You've got to start now retooling it as you go along.
• 1:48:25
  [SPEAKER_05]: So you're on a panther's have a ton to face on that CK and this is actually a very pivotal moment for the continued growth of Bryce Young and potentially this offense.
• 1:48:35
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I mean, it's I don't think your approach is a wrong either.
• 1:48:39
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think I think there's going to be multi.
• 1:48:41
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think you're going to have to really look at the landscape of things as they're making their choices because like you're right.
• 1:48:46
  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know enough about the quality of candidate in the draft when it comes to left tackle.
• 1:48:52
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but I'll tell you this.
• 1:48:54
  [SPEAKER_07]: My opinion we need to stop.
• 1:48:59
  [SPEAKER_07]: on the offense.
• 1:49:00
  [SPEAKER_07]: We need to focus on this.
• 1:49:02
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, and we.
• 1:49:03
  [SPEAKER_07]: That first draft that round one pick asks to go to the defense.
• 1:49:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: Like what if you just allocate your free agent money to defense.
• 1:49:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: And then you go or stack it around defense.
• 1:49:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: Would you okay?
• 1:49:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: Be okay with that is like, hey, we're going to go out there and try to get a big name and free agency.
• 1:49:22
  [SPEAKER_05]: So we can you know accelerate that and pad the defense
• 1:49:28
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, maybe but I also think the problem I have is like we're going to have a lot of people that let me let me be generous here we have some mouths to feed.
• 1:49:39
  [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
• 1:49:39
  [SPEAKER_07]: We have, we have Jalen Coker coming.
• 1:49:42
  [SPEAKER_07]: He's a restricted free agent, meaning that we are, we have the rights to the first offer.
• 1:49:47
  [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
• 1:49:47
  [SPEAKER_07]: And so if, if, you know, we can, we're going to have to sign him when we're going to have to pay him now.
• 1:49:54
  [SPEAKER_07]: It doesn't mean that he's going to be coming out of your asking for like top 10 wide receiver money, but he's going to be costing more than it costs than he is now.
• 1:50:02
  [SPEAKER_07]: Mike Jack after the year he has you best, you best believe we better be trying to lock him up.
• 1:50:08
  [SPEAKER_07]: into something.
• 1:50:09
  [SPEAKER_07]: The problem is that now all of a sudden my Jack's number has rippled.
• 1:50:14
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know what I mean?
• 1:50:15
  [SPEAKER_07]: Like it's we're no longer talking about getting Mike Jack on a on a friendly deal.
• 1:50:20
  [SPEAKER_07]: Like Mike Jack is 100% going to be an expensive re-signing.
• 1:50:24
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think we got him back to two years when we signed him.
• 1:50:27
  [SPEAKER_07]: So we technically don't have to.
• 1:50:29
  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't want to.
• 1:50:30
  [SPEAKER_07]: If I'm not mistaken, I could be wrong and that's
• 1:50:37
  [SPEAKER_07]: the you don't want to go into the offseason next year without him locked up especially if he has another killer year next year which in my opinion after our draft after we traded for him last year and that his 2024 year was phenomenal in my opinion and for what we got what we got him for.
• 1:50:55
  [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
• 1:50:56
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this is insane because you got Mike Jackson signed a two-year deal this past year 2025 for seven million is guaranteed a ten and a half million dollar contract.
• 1:51:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: This guy's making five million is making ten million with the Panthers for playing that you got him through next year.
• 1:51:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: You know he's going to be oh Mike Jackson's sitting out
• 1:51:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: trying to get a contract.
• 1:51:22
  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, thank you for that.
• 1:51:24
  [SPEAKER_07]: That is a very good question.
• 1:51:26
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's right.
• 1:51:28
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
• 1:51:29
  [SPEAKER_07]: No, I don't think he'd demand a trade.
• 1:51:30
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think he, uh, if I had to guess, I think he enjoys playing in this all in this defense.
• 1:51:36
  [SPEAKER_07]: And I think he, I think he and J.C. Horn have a good chemistry.
• 1:51:39
  [SPEAKER_07]: feel appreciated by fans here.
• 1:51:42
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I think he he feels appreciated and he probably feels appreciated by the office for trading of trading for him from Seattle.
• 1:51:51
  [SPEAKER_07]: He doesn't bring this back.
• 1:51:54
  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, but I mean, he's like, he's like the epitome of a panther in my opinion, right?
• 1:51:59
  [SPEAKER_07]: Like he came in here, kind of, you know, low expectations blew it out of the water.
• 1:52:05
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think in his first year, came back on a prove it to your deal and then he proved it year one.
• 1:52:11
  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, and even when he was facing his, his hardest, like, like, when he was faced with things that he really needed to work on improving, the dude worked his tail off to improve it.
• 1:52:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: like he is the definition of of of keep pounding.
• 1:52:26
  [SPEAKER_07]: And in my opinion, like that's that's priority number one.
• 1:52:30
  [SPEAKER_07]: We got a lock him up beyond this year behind me, you know, just up in 2026 season.
• 1:52:35
  [SPEAKER_07]: And in reward him for, you know, what he's done.
• 1:52:38
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think he had as it, you know, again, for what he had as far as he gear, I think his contract was fair.
• 1:52:44
  [SPEAKER_07]: But I just don't know that we're going to have the money and free agency, everybody expects
• 1:52:49
  [SPEAKER_05]: it was a steal.
• 1:52:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: This is a steal of a deal and if I'm Mike Jackson, you better be re getting something done because we would be, I would be talking about sitting out or doing some forcing some hand because that is such a discount bargain for what an important piece he is and he has played.
• 1:53:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: If not, if he doesn't do that and he just because like I'm such a team guy, I don't even care if I'm not getting paid at all.
• 1:53:12
  [SPEAKER_05]: You know that mug is going to ball out this year
• 1:53:17
  [SPEAKER_05]: for money after that if he says that I can't I will be the following interesting story to follow is Mike Jackson
• 1:53:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: And does that contract just stick or is this does it become a sticky point of the Carolina Panthers off season.
• 1:53:35
  [SPEAKER_05]: CK is that's for early for I guess what we can cover for tonight like a man that's fun good talks there we got one final part to ice and fools up so then it's great been hanging out and we miss a miss Cody lack but he'll be back in the future we hope.
• 1:53:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: And uh, but it's been great hanging out with you guys in the chat as well as my man CK guys make sure you smash that thumbs up button Subscribe keep us off season.
• 1:54:02
  [SPEAKER_05]: There's are the drags of the season, but we're still gonna keep Pound in here so make sure that you keep having that light button and telling be a friend telephoren.
• 1:54:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: CK one Final segment where we ice some fools up.
• 1:54:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: That's where we tell someone to ice up tough and up to get it together Let's ice some fools
• 1:54:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it's our, it's our homage to Steve Smith where we tell someone to ice up, toughen up to get it together.
• 1:54:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: Everyone is fair game football, non football.
• 1:54:38
  [SPEAKER_05]: Let's go.
• 1:54:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to start with just some fun, uh, where I guess I don't know if they're fun or not, but I just put Martin a couple of tweets that highlight for, um,
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  [SPEAKER_05]: my ice up pick.
• 1:54:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: The first one goes with this is a saw this video on and I like started to think in my dumb.
• 1:55:00
  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
• 1:55:00
  [SPEAKER_05]: And when I thought that is, I was like, in my missing something here, like, how is this video on the internet?
• 1:55:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: Or what this is?
• 1:55:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I like didn't turn on the sound.
• 1:55:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: I was in a place.
• 1:55:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think I can use the sound.
• 1:55:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: But if for people
• 1:55:18
  [SPEAKER_05]: socket is same as a double socket wrench type the old school, and he's putting on top of the gas in the break pedal like right behind the break pedals top of the board.
• 1:55:38
  [SPEAKER_05]: So I watched this video and I'm like,
• 1:55:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: What kind of idiot is this dude?
• 1:55:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I'm like this guy's an idiot.
• 1:55:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: And then I'm like, am I an idiot?
• 1:55:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: Because there's no way.
• 1:55:48
  [SPEAKER_05]: And then I'll just, you know, then immediately, this only went on for like one second though, right?
• 1:55:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: Before I just said, in the comments, this guy does this video.
• 1:56:02
  [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe it's the same dude.
• 1:56:03
  [SPEAKER_05]: Like, what is this?
• 1:56:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: Is he pranking us all?
• 1:56:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: This looks like a same car.
• 1:56:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: Something.
• 1:56:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: Because that's it.
• 1:56:08
  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, it doesn't work.
• 1:56:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: So I set up to this video.
• 1:56:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: I set up to me thinking about this video.
• 1:56:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I set up, I'm a mad at myself for watching this.
• 1:56:18
  [SPEAKER_05]: And now talking about it.
• 1:56:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: This is a long on the podcast.
• 1:56:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: See, do you have an ice up pickup for us before I hit the next week?
• 1:56:26
  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, so I am going to, um, go ahead and hit the next one.
• 1:56:32
  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to, I'm thinking if I want to do the one that I want to do or not.
• 1:56:35
  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
• 1:56:35
  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, I just real quick is so the, the Greenland thing is I woke up.
• 1:56:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I don't even I just open Twitter and I was like, and again, getting lost in the internet is should I be thinking about this.
• 1:56:49
  [SPEAKER_05]: And it was like, and I don't trust any picture on the internet now or any new, but the first thing I saw was that things have, I guess, re-escalated.
• 1:56:58
  [SPEAKER_05]: escalating should I say for Greenland and that Donald Trump opposed to this picture of him putting a flag.
• 1:57:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: I was like that can't be on truth social Like and it was him and JD Vance.
• 1:57:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: I was like this looks so yeah, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna fall for this I'm not gonna fall for this but then there's this other tweak going around that they're looking at maps in the in the oval office I like this is whatever.
• 1:57:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
• 1:57:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, this is going on.
• 1:57:22
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what to believe and then I see this video.
• 1:57:25
  [SPEAKER_05]: It says
• 1:57:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: that people in Greenland are trolling Americans in this on TikTok acting like they're addicted to fentanyl.
• 1:57:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: And it says bringing American culture to Greenland, this is they think of the worst that that was them throwing us that was like, what I said to all of that, all right, see, okay, what do you got worse?
• 1:57:55
  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, you know, I'm going to, so obviously everything going up on in Minneapolis and
• 1:58:00
  [SPEAKER_07]: That's just a wild stuff going on there.
• 1:58:04
  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm not even going to issue an opinion on whether this should be something or not, but they had, there was a protest going on that during worshiping, like it was a Baptist church that they ended up interrupting their worship because a guy apparently goes there that's a part of ICE.
• 1:58:26
  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, and so they went into this church and erupted the worship service and all of that.
• 1:58:31
  [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
• 1:58:32
  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, and it was their right to protest when in all reality.
• 1:58:36
  [SPEAKER_07]: There wasn't that there's an actual law against interrupting.
• 1:58:39
  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, let's just gather.
• 1:58:41
  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, no.
• 1:58:42
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's the same law that's being used to prevent people, you know, churches from going and protesting outside of abortion clinics.
• 1:58:55
  [SPEAKER_07]: To basically, you know, charge these protesters with a crime of going and interrupting a religious service, because they're protesting it, right, or just one gentleman.
• 1:59:08
  [SPEAKER_07]: And by the way, like the videos or cringes can be like.
• 1:59:12
  [SPEAKER_07]: come on now let's be real about some things like that's you did nothing but hurt your own calls and that like nobody changed their opinion about what you did because that you went and erupted a church service like nobody if anything you just cause people to recoil it what you're doing and realize.
• 1:59:29
  [SPEAKER_07]: I'll maybe there is one side of this that is less of a, you know, really not thinking about things logically it's the dumbest thing I've ever seen.
• 1:59:38
  [SPEAKER_07]: But nonetheless, Don Lemon is going there with them as a journalist and, you know, they say journalist quote unquote, but he was really like.
• 1:59:48
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, almost advocating for these people to go into this church and things like that.
• 1:59:53
  [SPEAKER_07]: And so basically, he's now being, I don't know if he's being charged or if he's just being investigated or this crime, he might have been charged for it.
• 2:00:01
  [SPEAKER_07]: And I just because he's doing this and he's admitting that he's doing these things and on the internet, he's like,
• 2:00:07
  [SPEAKER_07]: very like even the mayor of Minneapolis saying some of the things that he said to insight like hatred versus, you know, against our, you know, basically demanding federal agents not come into his city like he's not a part of America, some capacity.
• 2:00:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: And so I don't know, I just did hear in thing that if you're going to
• 2:00:28
  [SPEAKER_07]: argue, if you're going, if you're a real job or your real thought as I want to change something, your first thought shouldn't be, let's go and erupt a church service.
• 2:00:40
  [SPEAKER_07]: like get my mind like that's that's where people who it's a safe space it's always been like even in movies like vampires can't go into a church right it's in even in the most like basic way of looking at things like even when you think about the church in Gaza right that got bomb like Israel got its most heat from anybody in the world because they bomb the church.
• 2:01:04
  [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
• 2:01:05
  [SPEAKER_07]: The last place you want to be trying to, you know, stand up for your, your, what you believe in is that a church.
• 2:01:11
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's so stupid.
• 2:01:13
  [SPEAKER_07]: And so to those, those protesters, I say, I said, I said, do I think they deserve to be prosecuted?
• 2:01:20
  [SPEAKER_07]: Probably not.
• 2:01:21
  [SPEAKER_07]: I wouldn't say that.
• 2:01:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't think that, you know,
• 2:01:26
  [SPEAKER_07]: They did that in the, with the mindset that they're going to be, you know, trying to create violence or anything like that.
• 2:01:33
  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't think that they deserve to have some permanent criminal record that there's going to have to follow them for the rest of their life.
• 2:01:40
  [SPEAKER_07]: But yeah.
• 2:01:42
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna just finish off with their just a fun one.
• 2:01:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: This is because I wanted to laugh That's just made me gaggle because I'm stupid and I'm just a dumb kid, but at heart still But I'm not gonna pull it.
• 2:01:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: Let's see.
• 2:01:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think it's got any music Oh, it does I can't play the music because we'll they'll get us, but this is like so that magic music There's this kids in front of this cake.
• 2:02:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: It says 21.
• 2:02:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's got chronic extra.
• 2:02:08
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's holding the little cigarette
• 2:02:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: This is all a pose video right here of this kid tried to At like his 12 year old birthday was to anyone it made me hear right there.
• 2:02:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: I said that kid is I believe he has a cool 21st birthday ahead of him.
• 2:02:32
  [SPEAKER_05]: That's the C3 Panthers podcast.
• 2:02:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh no CK real quick your picks Seattle or I think Seattle is gonna I think they're gonna
• 2:02:42
  [SPEAKER_05]: that that I just don't trust for the rams against that defense that they've been struggling so much over last month but still find a way to win is that this one I don't know what the picks he can just think is you look at both teams are pretty evenly matched you know but I think you got a little bit better you may you got a better quarterback for the rams and you got just a
• 2:03:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, so I think my head, um, wants to pick, it picks the Rams.
• 2:03:12
  [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm going to pick the Rams based on logic when I do feel like man, it really feels like gosh, so yeah, it will might be the team this year.
• 2:03:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, so with, you know, I kind of think Seattle's going to win, but I'm still going to pick the Rams here.
• 2:03:27
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm going to pick the Patriots.
• 2:03:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, I think I want to pick the Patriots, potentially with Botanix, even if Botanix was starting at quarterback.
• 2:03:36
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I think I agree.
• 2:03:37
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think the pay, I think the pay treats are going to win as well.
• 2:03:42
  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
• 2:03:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: That's the C3 Panthers podcast brought to you by us.
• 2:03:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: My name's Tony Dunn, that's CK.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you for being a part of the show.
• 2:03:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: And we'll see you next.
• 2:03:53
  [SPEAKER_05]: We'll be here next Tuesday.
• 2:03:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: Tuesday night, 9 PM.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Yep.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: See you soon.