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OVERBOARD: HUSBAND CAUGHT ON TAPE, LYNETTE HOOKER LOST AT SEA · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Overboard in the Bahamas. As
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  Speaker 1: we all know by now, a loving mother and wife
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  Speaker 1: falls overboard on a sailing trip with her husband.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight, husband Brian Hooker.
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  Speaker 1: Caught on tape as his wife Lynette remains lost at sea.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Lynette Hooker falls overboard.
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  Speaker 1: My initial thought is if he could paddle to shore,
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  Speaker 1: why didn't he paddle to her and save her?
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  Speaker 3: And they were not able to find her in the
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  Speaker 3: water or anywhere else. A lot of people are questioning
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  Speaker 3: his story and have questioned his story because why would
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  Speaker 3: she not be wearing a personal flotation device or a
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  Speaker 3: life vest.
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  Speaker 4: She basically just bounced off the ding in the middle
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  Speaker 4: of a little blow like twenty some that winds that
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  Speaker 4: popped up and on a record half mile maybe tripped
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  Speaker 4: back to the dingey.
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  Speaker 5: And angle thing failed. Uh, every single thing. We weren't
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  Speaker 5: wearing mic jackets, pfcy. It was sundown and the sun
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  Speaker 5: set like basically ten minutes after she fell over. Dingy
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  Speaker 5: kill her with her because it wasn't clipped to anything
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  Speaker 5: or anybody, and she had the spare dingey key in
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  Speaker 5: her dry bag which was with her. Yeah, it was inflated.
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  Speaker 5: I mean inflated because it was folded.
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  Speaker 6: But the wind blew us apart so fast that I
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  Speaker 6: think I think she tried to swim back to the sailboat.
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  Speaker 5: Back to our sailboat, which was probably, I don't know,
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  Speaker 5: a thousand yards or something, but the ways was three
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  Speaker 5: foot and I was trying to ship the oars and
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  Speaker 5: one of the pens on the horse prot dropped over
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  Speaker 5: the side. And I was yelling for her the whole time.
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  Speaker 5: And I yelled to her at a lost or, and
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  Speaker 5: I threw the anchor out and anchored the dinghy and Jesse, Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I yelled. I couldn't see her anymore. It was the
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  Speaker 5: moon has not.
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  Speaker 1: Raisen yet, you are hearing. Husband. Brian Hooker caught on
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  Speaker 1: tape by a friend he called just so you know.
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  Speaker 1: He made the call from the Bahamas, which is a
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  Speaker 1: one party consent jurisdiction, to the friend in Saint Martin's,
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  Speaker 1: which is also a one party consent jurisdiction. Was that
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  Speaker 1: main to record a phone call. In many jurisdictions, both
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  Speaker 1: parties must consent to the recording of the caller and
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  Speaker 1: the call e not so in Bahamas and Saint Martin
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  Speaker 1: joining us in All Star panel. But first to Vanessa
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  Speaker 1: Waltz joining us. Vanessa is the star of Unmasked True
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  Speaker 1: Crime podcast and she obtained this sound and has shared
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  Speaker 1: it with us at Crime Stories. First of all, Vanessa,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us tonight. Where did you
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  Speaker 1: get the sound?
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  Speaker 7: So I put a video on my channel, and right
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  Speaker 7: after I had posted it, I got contacted by one
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  Speaker 7: of Brian's friends who said that he had talked to
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  Speaker 7: him the day after that she went missing and asked
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  Speaker 7: if I would talk to him about what happened and
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  Speaker 7: if I wanted the audio.
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  Speaker 1: And when you first listened to it, Vanessa Walsh, what
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  Speaker 1: was your reaction?
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  Speaker 8: The first thing I noticed?
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  Speaker 7: I was just struck with his tone, how unusually casual
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  Speaker 7: and matter of fact he was. It sounds like he's
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  Speaker 7: just talking about a normal day going to the grocery store.
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  Speaker 7: You know, where's the emotion and where's the urgency. His
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  Speaker 7: tone just doesn't match up with what's just occurred twenty
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  Speaker 7: four hours earlier.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're right, Vanessa Walsh, a very conversational, matter of fact,
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  Speaker 1: calm tone. This is as he a friend in Saint Martin,
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  Speaker 1: and why did the friend, Vanessa. Did the friend explain
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  Speaker 1: why he felt he or she felt they had to
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  Speaker 1: record the call.
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  Speaker 7: He did, and it was for the same reason. He
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  Speaker 7: was so disturbed by two things. Initially, one was the
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  Speaker 7: tone of his voice, just how nonchalant he was about
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  Speaker 7: the whole thing. And then the second thing that really
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  Speaker 7: alarmed them was he kept referring to Lynette in the
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  Speaker 7: past tense and at that point they decided they needed
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  Speaker 7: to document the call.
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  Speaker 1: I'm wondering if there's even more of the conversation, Vanessa,
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  Speaker 1: based on what you're saying before they thought, oh my goodness,
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  Speaker 1: we need to record this.
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  Speaker 8: I would like to know that too.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know the answer to that, but I would assume.
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  Speaker 1: So, guys, let's take another Listen. There's a lot to
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  Speaker 1: plow through, but I want to hear this again. Listen
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  Speaker 1: to husband Brian Hooker trying to explain what happened to
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  Speaker 1: wife Lynette.
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  Speaker 4: She basically just bounced off the dinghy in the middle
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  Speaker 4: of a little blow like twenty some not winds that
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  Speaker 4: popped up and on a precol half mile maybe tripped
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  Speaker 4: back to the dingey.
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  Speaker 5: And angle thing failed. Uh, every single thing. We weren't
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  Speaker 5: wearing my jackets, Pipsy. It was sundown and the sun
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  Speaker 5: set like basically ten minutes after she fell over. Dingy
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  Speaker 5: k over with her because it wasn't clipped to anything
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  Speaker 5: or anybody, and she had the spare dingey key in
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  Speaker 5: her dry bag which was with her. Yeah, it was inflated.
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  Speaker 5: I mean inflated because it was folded.
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  Speaker 6: But the wind blew us apart so fast that I
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  Speaker 6: think I think she tried.
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  Speaker 5: To swim back to the sailboat. Back to our sailboat,
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  Speaker 5: which was probably I don't know, a thousand yards or something,
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  Speaker 5: but the ways was three foot and I was trying
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  Speaker 5: to ship to oars and one of depends on the
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  Speaker 5: horse broken dropped over the side, and I was yelling
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  Speaker 5: for her the whole time. And I yelled to her
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  Speaker 5: that I lost the ar, and I threw the anchor
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  Speaker 5: out and anchored the dinghy and Jesse, yeah, I yelled.
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  Speaker 5: I couldn't see her anymore. It was the moon has
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  Speaker 5: not risen yet.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, what a series of unfortunate events. What a set
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  Speaker 1: of coincidences, A string of coincidences, as he says later
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  Speaker 1: on in the recordings Vanessa Walsh obtained unmasked True Crime,
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  Speaker 1: A cascade of failures. Wow, the cards were just stacked
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  Speaker 1: against them, or so he would have us believe to
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  Speaker 1: veteran tryal lawyer Eric Fattus, founder of Law Offices of
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  Speaker 1: Eric Fattus, what about it? Does that happen often with
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  Speaker 1: your clients? It's just one coincidence after the next, and
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  Speaker 1: somebody just ends up dead through no one's fault.
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  Speaker 9: You know, Nancy, Surely accidents happen, and these are circumstances
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  Speaker 9: that are not always foreseen and something with which a
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  Speaker 9: person may not have experience. And so when that crisis hits,
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  Speaker 9: not everyone knows what to do. They're not always thinking rashally,
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  Speaker 9: they're not always taking meaningful steps that we might expect
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  Speaker 9: them to take in order to address this emergency that
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  Speaker 9: has just befallen them. So, you know, while there are
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  Speaker 9: some coincidences here, I think that it's equally plausible that
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  Speaker 9: this was just a tragic accident and he didn't quite.
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  Speaker 8: Know what to do.
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  Speaker 9: And now we're left with the place where at presently.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, you said an accident. Let's just recap of all
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  Speaker 1: the coincidences that happened she bounced off the dinghy. I've
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  Speaker 1: never heard of a human bouncing ball, but his description
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of a little blow, which I guess
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  Speaker 1: means high winds twenty some odd winds that just popped
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  Speaker 1: up suddenly, almost immediately after they get into the Dinghey
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  Speaker 1: trying to sell back to their saw boat. Quote. Every
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  Speaker 1: single thing failed. These are veteran swimmers and boaters. They're
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  Speaker 1: on a four years sojourn. They sold everything they owned,
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  Speaker 1: they got rid of their home and took off, but
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  Speaker 1: they weren't wearing life jackets. It was sundown, no life jackets,
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  Speaker 1: and the sunset just ten minutes after she fell over.
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  Speaker 1: That's important because we're going to hear more about the
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  Speaker 1: conditions in his phone call. The dry bag that held
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  Speaker 1: the clip the Keell switch fell overboard too. It was
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  Speaker 1: with her, why because it's usually on a lanyard with
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  Speaker 1: the driver. She tried to swim back a veteran swimmer,
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  Speaker 1: but couldn't. The waves are now at three feet tall
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  Speaker 1: and uh oh, a pin on the ore broke and
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  Speaker 1: it dropped over the side. I hate when that happens,
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  Speaker 1: when your spouse is flailing to live and oopsie dropped
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  Speaker 1: the ore. Wait where did he say? He jumped into
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  Speaker 1: savor oak that's not in there now. Interesting. He threw
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  Speaker 1: out the anchor, but later on he says it was
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  Speaker 1: trapped under one of the cushions, and then the moon.
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  Speaker 1: It was the moon's fault. The moon had not risen.
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  Speaker 1: Two special guests, along with Vanessa Walts, joining us, Jordan Plintz,
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  Speaker 1: a neighbor of Lynette, and Brian Hooker. Back home. Jordan Plintz,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Jordan. You heard a
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  Speaker 1: defense attorney, Eric Fattus state that nobody would know what
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  Speaker 1: to do. But if you are a seasoned sailor, boater, swimmer,
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  Speaker 1: you do know what to do. My children are eagle
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  Speaker 1: scouts and they know what to do, and they've done it.
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  Speaker 1: My son, at age twelve, as a scout, jumped into
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  Speaker 1: the water and saved another boy's life. He knew what
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  Speaker 1: to do. Just to become a certified diver, I had
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  Speaker 1: to go through hours and hours months. It took me
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  Speaker 1: months to learn to dive and to train for safety issues.
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  Speaker 1: They knew what to do. He knew what to do. Jordan,
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  Speaker 1: what was your experience with them?
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  Speaker 10: Well, I think it's crazy. He's a marine for one,
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  Speaker 10: so he should be able to take life saving measures.
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  Speaker 10: But you know, with her swimming, even if the waves
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  Speaker 10: were three feet, she knows how to float, you know,
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  Speaker 10: you learn those things. You know how to swim here
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  Speaker 10: before you can walk, Like we are surrounded by fifty
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  Speaker 10: lakes and a fifty mile radius. Lynette knows how to swim.
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  Speaker 10: So Ryan too, considering he was in the military. It
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  Speaker 10: just doesn't make sense on why he waited so long
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  Speaker 10: to call or even report that she's missing, or he
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  Speaker 10: didn't even attempt to save her, like he he didn't
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  Speaker 10: want to Jeppard his own life. And if you love
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  Speaker 10: somebody so deeply, right, it doesn't matter, you try your best.
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  Speaker 10: And I just feel like a lot of it doesn't
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  Speaker 10: make sense to me in this scenario unless she got
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  Speaker 10: hurt to where she couldn't swim.
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: Now, it's interesting that you bring up the specter of
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  Speaker 1: her getting hurt before she went into the water at
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  Speaker 1: Jordan Plants. Isn't it true that there were several occasions
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  Speaker 1: where Lynette Hooker would move out of her home with
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  Speaker 1: husband Brian and come and live in your mom's home
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  Speaker 1: for a period of time.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, there's just a couple of times that I knew of.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know anything before that. I've lived here since
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  Speaker 10: twenty eighteen, but Darlene would let me know that this
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  Speaker 10: is happening, and it's kind of like sad that they're
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  Speaker 10: bringing up the court case in twenty fifteen, trying to
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  Speaker 10: paint this picture against Lynette when she's the real victim here.
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  Speaker 10: We can't find her, you know, her body is missing.
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  Speaker 1: Jordan Onemore thing before we played more of husband Brian
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  Speaker 1: Hooker caught on tape. When I say, neighbor, you guys
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  Speaker 1: are right on the water, describe where you live and
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  Speaker 1: where the Hookers fit into this.
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  Speaker 10: There's fifty lakes in a fifty mile radius. They're all
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  Speaker 10: anywhere from six hundred to one thousand acre lakes. They're
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  Speaker 10: not small, you know, they have some depth to them.
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  Speaker 10: She lives across the street from me directly I can.
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  Speaker 10: I'm literally looking at her house right now, her mom's house.
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  Speaker 10: And truthfully, like we all grew up on this lake,
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  Speaker 10: Lynette grew up swimming around my parents and all that.
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  Speaker 10: They've been on this lake for a very long time,
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  Speaker 10: So you learn how to swim before you can walk. Here,
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  Speaker 10: you in as babies, because if you get out, you're
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  Speaker 10: gonna drown if you don't know how to swim, So
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  Speaker 10: you know, it just doesn't make a lot of sense
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  Speaker 10: unless there was foul play before something happened to her
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  Speaker 10: that she could not withstand swimming a half mile even
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  Speaker 10: a mile.
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  Speaker 2: She could do too.
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  Speaker 10: She was in good shape, and I don't even think
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  Speaker 10: drinking has anything. She could be probably tanked and still
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  Speaker 10: be okay.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I don't like, Jordan, I don't like
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned an earlier complaint made by Brian Hooker, the
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  Speaker 1: husband naming his wife now missing at see Lynette as
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  Speaker 1: the aggressor. I'd like to What I don't like is
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  Speaker 1: people painting Lynette. And I've seen this online. It's very hurtful.
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  Speaker 1: As they quote boozy broad people say they were both
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  Speaker 1: drunk in a story I once again a woman is
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  Speaker 1: being lined over what nothing. And in that prior incident
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  Speaker 1: where he claimed she was the aggressor, law enforcement refused
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  Speaker 1: to execute a warrant. They said there was insufficient evidence
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  Speaker 1: to state who was the aggressor and she would not
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  Speaker 1: say anything against the husband. That says so often the case.
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  Speaker 1: So somehow she's getting dragged through the mud, and she's
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  Speaker 1: the one potentially at the bottom of the ocean right now, exactly.
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  Speaker 10: It just it's sad that that had to surface that way.
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  Speaker 10: And you know, I just don't get it personally, because
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  Speaker 10: she is the victim here in this scenario. We still
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  Speaker 10: have not found her body. Her family is still suffering, right,
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  Speaker 10: and yet we're pulling up stuff from twenty fifteen to
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  Speaker 10: make her look bad.
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  Speaker 8: But realistically, she's.
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  Speaker 10: The one missing, she's the one in danger here wherever
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  Speaker 10: she is.
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  Speaker 1: To Brian Hooker caught on tape as found by Vanessa
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  Speaker 1: Walsh Unmasked Tree Crime. Let's listen.
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  Speaker 11: And the ways were doing their thing, and you know,
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  Speaker 11: you I saw her, I think twice.
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  Speaker 5: I threw her a flotation cushion that we used to
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  Speaker 5: sit on the dinghy, you know, right after she went in,
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  Speaker 5: but I didn't I couldn't tell if she got she
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  Speaker 5: got it or not.
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  Speaker 8: We've been looking for the cushion too, the search and
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  Speaker 8: rescue teams.
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  Speaker 5: How small a person is in two or three floaters
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  Speaker 5: and twenty five don wins. And so after an hour
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  Speaker 5: of calling her, I could have never heard her voice.
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  Speaker 5: And uh Powermo came by and I waved my flash
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  Speaker 5: night on my phone in the neighbor are so fasted,
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  Speaker 5: you know, they didn't even see it. And then as
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  Speaker 5: another one came by right behind it, sort of five
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  Speaker 5: minutes behind it, and I had grabbed the flares by
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  Speaker 5: then came I had two flares, and they didn't see
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  Speaker 5: the flares, I guess, and I.
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  Speaker 6: After and then I didn't know what to do.
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  Speaker 5: I was basically weare basically by the time I got
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  Speaker 5: the anchor set, I was probably a quarter to a
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  Speaker 5: half a mile away from her.
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  Speaker 1: More of those pesky coincidences that end up with Lynette
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  Speaker 1: Hooker gone. You know, it's another interesting thing. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you feel this way or not. Jordan Plantz,
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  Speaker 1: this is neighbor of Lynette and Brian Hooker. I recall
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  Speaker 1: I had been at work and the twins were they
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  Speaker 1: were little, they're now eighteen. They were about three, and
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  Speaker 1: we had had them in swim classes they were two,
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  Speaker 1: and I went to every single class and sat on
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  Speaker 1: the side ready to jump in. Of course I never
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  Speaker 1: needed to. They were with not one, but two instructors
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  Speaker 1: at the same time, one instructor to watch the other
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  Speaker 1: instructor watch the other instructor. But I had been at
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  Speaker 1: work at that time, I would have been at CNN's Hilm.
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  Speaker 1: I went straight to their swim class. It was only
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  Speaker 1: the second class they had ever had without me standing
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  Speaker 1: by watching. I got to the edge of the pool.
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  Speaker 1: It was a big Olympic sized pool, and I heard
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  Speaker 1: my daughter's scream, mom help, mommy, mommy help. I had
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  Speaker 1: on my shoes, everything from work, from being on air,
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  Speaker 1: and jumped in and started swimming like that. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: she was fine, she was absolutely fine, Praise the Lord.
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  Speaker 1: But I wonder what kept him from jumping in and
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  Speaker 1: trying to save his wife.
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  Speaker 10: And that's what it doesn't make any sense to me,
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  Speaker 10: right like the bitterness. You could be or upset, but
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  Speaker 10: it almost seems like it was so premeditated, with the
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  Speaker 10: things that Lynette said to her family or friends, and
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  Speaker 10: then this actually happens, And you know, if he wanted
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  Speaker 10: to save her, I felt. I feel like he could have,
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  Speaker 10: and he didn't do what normal people would do if
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  Speaker 10: they deeply love or care for somebody, like if you
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  Speaker 10: wanted her to be here right now, especially with his
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  Speaker 10: background too, he could have swam her a half mile
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  Speaker 10: with the flotation device and held on to her if
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  Speaker 10: something didn't seriously happen, and it just there's so many
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  Speaker 10: questions I have, and it's just truly devastating. I feel
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  Speaker 10: so terrible for Lenna and the family. I just I
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  Speaker 10: don't know what else to say.
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  Speaker 1: Vanessa Walt's joining a star of Unmasked true crime podcast
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  Speaker 1: the sound that we just played, Vanessa, I'd like you
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  Speaker 1: to listen to it one more time along with defense
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  Speaker 1: attorney Eric Fattis. I got some points I want to
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  Speaker 1: bring back up to Vanessa Waltz from a Mastery Crime.
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  Speaker 11: Listen and the Ways were doing their thing, and you
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  Speaker 11: know you I saw her, I think twice. I threw
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  Speaker 11: her a flotation cushion that we used to sit on
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  Speaker 11: the dinghy, you know, right after she went in, but
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  Speaker 11: I didn't I couldn't tell if she got she got
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  Speaker 11: it or not.
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  Speaker 8: We've been looking for the cushion too. The search and
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  Speaker 8: rescue teams.
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  Speaker 5: How small a person is in two or three floaters
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  Speaker 5: and twenty five hour wins And so after an hour
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  Speaker 5: of calling her, I could have never heard her voice.
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  Speaker 7: And uh.
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  Speaker 5: Powerboa came by and I waved my flashlight on my
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  Speaker 5: phone in the night. Are so fast it, you know,
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  Speaker 5: they didn't even see you. And then as another one
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  Speaker 5: came by right behind it, sort of five minutes behind it,
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  Speaker 5: and I had I grabbed the flares by then I
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  Speaker 5: had two flares and they didn't see the flares, I guess,
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  Speaker 5: and I after and I didn't know what to do.
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: I was basically.
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: Later.
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: Basically by the time I got the anchor set, I
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: was probably a quarter.
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: To a half a mile away from her.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Wow, Vanessa Waltz, just so many things just happened to
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: go wrong. Wait, so two power boats come by, neither
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: one see him. He holds up his cell phone at
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: one the other one, he says, he set off two flares,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: But you pointed something out to me, very critical about
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: the equipment in his dinghy. What have you learned?
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, So, despite him saying that he did shoot off
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: those flares to get the attention of the second boat,
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: there were multiple reports that came out this weekend from
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: the Bahamian News saying that not only were none of
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: the emergency devices in the dinghy were utilized, but that
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: also included the flares, they were not deployed.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, I need to understand exactly what you're saying, guys.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Vanessa Walt with US star of Unmasked True crime reports
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: came out in the last seventy two hours stating that
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: the equipment, the life saving equipment in the dinghy was
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: not used. Did I hear that correctly, including the flares correct?
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: And when I talked to his friend, he was extremely
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: upset about that because, as you just heard, that was
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: specifically mentioned by him that he did set those off
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: to try to get help. But for whatever reason in
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: his version, they didn't see. But I looked them up
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: myself and they did report that the flares were not
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: used that were in the dinghy.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Janine Driver really he waved his cell phone at a
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: power boat going by.
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: Help me listen, Nancy.
• 22:08
  Speaker 12: There's a lot of what I call linguistic dimmer switches
• 22:12
  Speaker 12: happening here. The words he's using is like a dimmer
• 22:15
  Speaker 12: switch turning down the volume or turning down the light,
• 22:18
  Speaker 12: so we don't see what really is happening.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: You know. Another issue. Hold on, guys, this is Janine Driver.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: By the way, let me properly introduce her. She is
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: a body language expert CEO of the Body Language Institute,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: New York Times best selling author of you say more
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: than you think. And she's a host of podcast in
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: the driver's seat with Janine Driver. Okay, Janine, I've got
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: more I want to play for you. But Vanessa Walsh,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: isn't it true that at the pier where they had
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: gone to the restaurant and then they got in the dinghy?
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: According to Brian Hooker, I want to confirm eight that
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: they were ever at the restaurant. To start with that said,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: isn't there a no wake zone? I mean, in all
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: my experience diving, boating, fishing, swimming, there's a no wake
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: zone and it's strictly reforced.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: So they would have still.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Been in a no wake zone.
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: And you bring up a couple of good points because
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: we don't know if they actually ever went to dinner
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: that we're aware of. I'm sure investigators are diligently piecing
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: that together, but we actually don't know when the last
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: time Whenette was actually seen, or if they actually did
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: go to the inn for dinner and leave at that time.
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: I did learn through the friends that there were that
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: the people that more next door to the Hookers were
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: in that same area, in that same no wake zone
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: you're speaking of, heading the same direction at the same time,
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: and they did not report the same conditions. In fact,
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: they had their children and the dinghy and said that
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: they would have never had their children in the dinghy
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: if the conditions were poor and.
• 23:57
  Speaker 11: The ways were doing their thing. And you know, I
• 24:00
  Speaker 11: saw her, I think twice.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: I threw her a flirtation cushion that we used to
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: sit on the Deani. You know, right after she went in,
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: a powermo came by and I waved my flash night
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: on my phone. The nave are so fast it you know,
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: I didn't even see you.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Guys, we are listening to the husband Brian Hooker caught
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: on tape, and I want to circle back to their
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: neighbor back home in the States. Joining us is a
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: very special guest, Jordan Plintz. Jordan, what do you make
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: of what he's saying and that portion of his phone call.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: He's got the phone in his hand in his hand.
• 24:44
  Speaker 10: And it's obviously working because he's using the light. So
• 24:47
  Speaker 10: why wouldn't you just call the coastguard? You can google
• 24:50
  Speaker 10: that quicker than waving and then hitting flares. I should say,
• 24:58
  Speaker 10: it doesn't make any sense to me. Why if his
• 25:00
  Speaker 10: phone was working in charge, why didn't you just call
• 25:03
  Speaker 10: the coastguard? They could have been right then and there,
• 25:05
  Speaker 10: Art Faddis.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: You're the criminal defense attorney. You're the one who wins
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: all those cases in court. Why didn't he just make
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: a phone call? He yelled at her for an hour
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: when he could have just dialed nine to one one
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, Nancy. Two things.
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: You know, a phone's capacity to have the flashlight activated
• 25:28
  Speaker 9: is not the same as the phone being able to
• 25:30
  Speaker 9: have connectivity, you know, in the middle of a large
• 25:32
  Speaker 9: choppy body of water, you know, a drifted sea.
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: Those are two different things.
• 25:36
  Speaker 9: Just when it comes to the flares, you know, we
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: don't know exactly how many flares this dingy had on it.
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: We don't know if a person could have brought additional flares,
• 25:44
  Speaker 9: discharge them, and then the remnants of that discharge was
• 25:48
  Speaker 9: no longer on the dinghy. So I think I think
• 25:50
  Speaker 9: it's important to explore all plausible explanations in this and
• 25:54
  Speaker 9: I think that's hopefully what law enforcements do it.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Let's see the map that Vanessa given. It was originally
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: provided by the husband, Brian Hooker, trying to explain what happened,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: because look at that it's not out in the middle
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: of open Sea, it's between those two little islands. Look
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: look at that. He's not out at open sea, you know.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: And Eric Fattis, you did bring up a really good point.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: And let me go to Vanessa Walsh on this. Did
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I know he said he shot off two flares that,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: amazingly nobody saw in that small body of water, that
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: small stretch there, nobody saw the flares. Other reports state
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: that have emerged and say the last thirty six hours
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: that the flares were still on the boat. Could there
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: have been more flares? Did he say he had two
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: flares and he used them or that he just simply
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: used two flares and there were others he didn't use.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: And if he didn't use them, why didn't he use them?
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: Great question? And if I recall correctly, I mean it's possible,
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: of course. But if I recall correctly, I believe he
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: does say in the audio that he had two flares.
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: They had actually he has another excuse for that, that
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: they had slipped and he finally got to them and
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: then he lit the flares. I believe he does say
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: that in the audio, but I would have to double check.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Auchie I hate when that happens, don't you, Eric Fattis,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: when your client speaks voluntarily to friends and blows his defense.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I had two flares and I shot them, and then
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: there they are sitting on his boat.
• 27:33
  Speaker 9: Well, from a purely legal perspective, you know, I would
• 27:36
  Speaker 9: certainly advise him to stop making statements. What's going to
• 27:39
  Speaker 9: happen is exactly what's happening today. Those statements are going
• 27:42
  Speaker 9: to be picked apart. They're going to be compared to
• 27:44
  Speaker 9: objective evidence to see if they corroborate those statements or
• 27:48
  Speaker 9: refute them. And so it's certainly not his best legal
• 27:51
  Speaker 9: interest to be doing this. But on the other hand,
• 27:53
  Speaker 9: if a person was completely innocent and their wife had
• 27:55
  Speaker 9: fallen overboard, it wouldn't be unusual for them to be
• 27:58
  Speaker 9: discussing that, voicing you know what happened. So, you know,
• 28:03
  Speaker 9: is this behavior consistent with someone who's innocent or not?
• 28:06
  Speaker 9: I think there are multiple interpretations of that.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Curious. The US Coast Guard requires three flares minimum for
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: vessels under sixteenth fate. Going forward, let's listen to more
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: of Brian Hooker on tape.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: At that point, I was slightly closer to something which
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: has a few houses on it, and I decided I
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: had to go get help, but I could not get
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: to the island flood paddle and the type. The type
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: carried me right the first house and then the second house,
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: and I ended up drifting and paddle many hours until
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: I landed on Marsh Islands about four miles away. I
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: think a key was not attached to me, you know.
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: So when we were around trying to get back in
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: the boat and some of the sun was falling when
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: it thought it was a magnet key, you know, for
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: the electric motor. It was a cascade of failures. And
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: there's fun thing I'm never going to forget myself for.
• 29:08
  Speaker 13: And then so this happened like Saturday night, airing all
• 29:12
  Speaker 13: day at a place called Tahiti Beach, and they did
• 29:15
  Speaker 13: have a beach part that pulls up on a barge,
• 29:18
  Speaker 13: and you know, we hit the next stop. It stayed
• 29:22
  Speaker 13: too long, we left too dark, all kinds of no
• 29:26
  Speaker 13: life jackets.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: I had the two that you stuff, you know under
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: the seat, say nobody ever wears for coastguard purposes, but
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: we used to wear these life jackets all We had
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: these other ones all the time.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Vanessa Waltz I thought. He originally said they left in
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: daylight hours, and that was then about ten minutes it
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: began to get dark. Now he's saying a cascade of
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: failures caused Lynette to be lost at sea, including the
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: fact that they left the restaurant too dark, that it
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: was dark when they left.
• 30:01
  Speaker 8: Right, It's more like.
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: A cascade of inconsistencies, because that was one of the
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: first things I caught when I was listening to this,
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: and one of the things I talked to his friend about,
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: because he did say that they stayed too long, they
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: stayed too dark. But at the same time, in the
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: same audio, he says that Lynette fell overboard ten minutes
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: before sundown, so there's still would have been an adequate
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: light and he would have been able to see her
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: in the.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Water sundown at seven twenty seven pm. Later on, he
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: blames the moon for not coming up for several hours.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: It rose at ten oh five pm. Back to Janine, Driver,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: body language expert and CEO Body Language Institute, What about it? Janane?
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: Well, where to begin?
• 30:42
  Speaker 12: Just because someone is talking to law enforcement, or talking
• 30:45
  Speaker 12: even more so to the media, doesn't mean they're telling
• 30:49
  Speaker 12: the truth. See in our world, my world of detecting deception.
• 30:52
  Speaker 12: Nancy liars try to convince us of something truthful people convey.
• 30:58
  Speaker 8: So let's start there.
• 30:59
  Speaker 12: Second, if we just listened to that clip you heard
• 31:02
  Speaker 12: a second ago Nancy and listener at home, he said,
• 31:05
  Speaker 12: you know twice, and then the words, and then you
• 31:09
  Speaker 12: might as well say and once upon a time, and
• 31:12
  Speaker 12: then means you're skipping information.
• 31:15
  Speaker 8: And then well, what happened here?
• 31:17
  Speaker 12: It's like YadA YadA YadA from Seinfeld back in the day.
• 31:20
  Speaker 12: He also said, I decided, listen, Nancy people, I decided
• 31:24
  Speaker 12: to do keto and lose one hundred pounds at New
• 31:27
  Speaker 12: Year's five years ago.
• 31:28
  Speaker 8: It never happened.
• 31:29
  Speaker 12: Decided does not mean we executed on our decisions. So
• 31:33
  Speaker 12: when someone think about the New Year's resolutions, I decided
• 31:36
  Speaker 12: to quit smoking. I decided to do this. There's three
• 31:39
  Speaker 12: stages of decision making, research, reasoning, result. Decided happens in
• 31:44
  Speaker 12: that middle stage. It does not mean I executed on it.
• 31:47
  Speaker 12: You asked someone, hey, do you do drugs? I decided
• 31:49
  Speaker 12: ten years ago not to do drugs. Doesn't mean you're
• 31:52
  Speaker 12: not currently doing drugs. You're not answering the question. So
• 31:54
  Speaker 12: him deciding something means nothing. I want to know did
• 31:57
  Speaker 12: he execute on getting her help? That's not what it
• 32:00
  Speaker 12: seems to be. With his language, he does start stop sentences.
• 32:03
  Speaker 12: When there's start stop sentences, it's the person saying, wait
• 32:07
  Speaker 12: a minute, I.
• 32:08
  Speaker 8: Need to turn here.
• 32:09
  Speaker 12: He also becomes a magician, like the magician says, what look,
• 32:13
  Speaker 12: what's happening over here? So you don't see that I'm
• 32:16
  Speaker 12: pulling this magic rabbit out of this hat. He says,
• 32:20
  Speaker 12: what we used to wear life jackets all the time.
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: I mean when we used to have them. We have
• 32:24
  Speaker 8: them all the time. This is smoke screening.
• 32:26
  Speaker 12: Liars will often spend more time telling us things that
• 32:30
  Speaker 12: were truthful, and then the actual incident gets really small
• 32:35
  Speaker 12: and tiny. In other statements here, Nancy, he says the
• 32:38
  Speaker 12: word basically. Basically, if you're vegan and you go to
• 32:41
  Speaker 12: a restaurant and he said, hey, I'm vegan. I want
• 32:44
  Speaker 12: to make sure.
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: This meal has no meat in it, no eggs in it, and.
• 32:47
  Speaker 12: The waiter says to you, well, basically there's.
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: No meat or eggs in your meal. Would you check
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: the box? Okay, I'll order that.
• 32:54
  Speaker 12: Then no basically means there's more to the story here.
• 32:59
  Speaker 12: You're either pregnant or you're not pregnant. Right, Basically I'm
• 33:02
  Speaker 12: not pregnant. Basically you're not. I remember I went on
• 33:06
  Speaker 12: a ride years ago in Universal Studios and I was
• 33:09
  Speaker 12: in Florida, and I was pregnant, and they were pushing
• 33:12
  Speaker 12: the lock on pretty tightly, and the guy goes, hey,
• 33:16
  Speaker 12: I gotta make this tighter. I go, no, but I'm pregnant.
• 33:17
  Speaker 12: He's well, if you're pregnant, you can't be on this ride. Well, basically,
• 33:20
  Speaker 12: I'm not pregnant.
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: I literally said it because I wanted to go on
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: the ride.
• 33:24
  Speaker 12: I've been on the ride ten other times earlier, so
• 33:26
  Speaker 12: I knew i'd be okay. So I say, pay attention
• 33:29
  Speaker 12: to this linguistic dimmer switches. When someone says, basically, we
• 33:34
  Speaker 12: used to see here Johnny Depsek's wife, he ever heard
• 33:37
  Speaker 12: say kinda, I say, anytime you hear this kind of
• 33:40
  Speaker 12: there's more to find.
• 33:41
  Speaker 8: These are all linguistic dimmer.
• 33:43
  Speaker 12: Switches, So we don't pay attention to what is important here.
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: By the way, one last word Nancy.
• 33:50
  Speaker 12: Just she basically just hit her head on the dinghy
• 33:54
  Speaker 12: or whatever it is.
• 33:55
  Speaker 8: Just is a minimizing word.
• 33:58
  Speaker 12: So when someone says says, I'm just an accountant, I'm
• 34:02
  Speaker 12: just a body language expert. I'm minimizing my value. When
• 34:06
  Speaker 12: someone in a case like this says just they're minimizing.
• 34:10
  Speaker 12: What how you just banged your she just banged her
• 34:13
  Speaker 12: head on a booie. Basically, we've got a lot of
• 34:16
  Speaker 12: hotspots here. I think that at the end of the day,
• 34:19
  Speaker 12: this is gonna be a story we're gonna talk about
• 34:21
  Speaker 12: and analyzing my class and certainly on your programs for many,
• 34:24
  Speaker 12: many years to come.
• 34:25
  Speaker 8: I'll be calling back to this story ten years from now.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, Jordan plants. So many things went wrong. I
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: guess fate. We can blame fate Jordan, because after two
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: flares he said that he ignited. Nobody saw them, nobody
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: saw his phone flash. Night suddenly the blue, even though
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: they were just leaving a no wake zone. The waves
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: suddenly towered to three feet in those maps, and they
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: are his maps that he Brian Hooker provided some only
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: seven feet deep. I mean, everything went wrong. He couldn't
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: find the life jacket, she wasn't wearing the life jacket.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: The anchor got tangled up, his or broke. So many
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: things just seem to go wrong. It's kind of hard
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: to believe. It's fantastical.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 35:22
  Speaker 10: I mean we also too, being born on the lake,
• 35:25
  Speaker 10: like we are taught ways to handle situations, right, And
• 35:29
  Speaker 10: I just think it's weird that he did not call
• 35:32
  Speaker 10: the coastguard. She doesn't need a life jacket if she's
• 35:35
  Speaker 10: only half mile away, so we can just throw that
• 35:38
  Speaker 10: out out.
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: Of the way.
• 35:39
  Speaker 10: And the fact that he made it four miles away
• 35:43
  Speaker 10: on his dinghy but couldn't make it a half mile
• 35:45
  Speaker 10: to his sailboat, that doesn't make any sense. Why would
• 35:49
  Speaker 10: you paddle away from the sailboat. Why are you paddling
• 35:52
  Speaker 10: towards shore? And even then, why are you walking to
• 35:55
  Speaker 10: people's houses to tell people?
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: Why wouldn't you just call?
• 35:59
  Speaker 10: I mean, I just looked up on my phone to
• 36:01
  Speaker 10: see if I can find the coast Guard number, and
• 36:03
  Speaker 10: it took me two seconds. So he could at least
• 36:06
  Speaker 10: called somebody, a family member, to say call and that
• 36:09
  Speaker 10: Lynette just fell over. I need I need help.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Guys. More of Brian Hooker on tape. Listen.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: I can't explain, I can't explain laughing to us, you know,
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: I threw the dingy out as an anchor out last
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: instead of first, because the dinghy was all tangled up
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: in the bottom. It was underneath of another cushion, and
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: I was just trying to get to her and I
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: was going to row. But it is ridiculous to think
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: you can row of dinghy, especially a fiberglass dinghy against
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: the land and two foot to three foot swells. Explain it,
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: you know, I just know that I hate this voted
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: and she doesn't come back. I'm never getting on this phone.
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: I'm going to sell this go here. Every single thing
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: that's good on it came from her. Every cute idea
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: and awesome idea I just picked, but she really creates.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: And we're still don't were life jackets, and we could
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: have got run over, you know, in the dark ark
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: by these somebody's behind me and drivers are crazy and
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: they wouldn't see his stupid headlight headlamp instead of a
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: dan light. And we just kind of take all these
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: little things for granted because almost all the time it works,
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: and it did not. There's a lot of it didn't work.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: I guess that word was that there was an island
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: in the way of me drifting out to sea, and
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: I landed on it and then you know, somehow got
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: to shoreboard.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Vanessa Walt joining a star up Unmasked True crime podcast.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Interesting how the only thing that went right was to
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: save his life.
• 38:03
  Speaker 7: That's exactly what I was just going to say. The
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: one thing that went right, thank god, you know, was
• 38:09
  Speaker 7: that he got to that island. And I guess we're
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: just to believe that this six foot four ex marine
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: with probably extensive water safety and water rescue training, that
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  Speaker 7: all he did during this whole ordeal was throw a
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  Speaker 7: cushion to her and then stand in the dinghy for
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  Speaker 7: an hour and call for her. Because that's about all
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  Speaker 7: he says on that audio that he actually did.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Eric fattis veteran defense attorney joining us out of
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  Speaker 1: the Denver jurisdiction. Eric, it's fisher cut bait time. They've
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  Speaker 1: either got to charge him or let him go unless
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: they asked for another extension. Remember in Aruba, how when
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  Speaker 1: Natalie Holloway went missing translation was murdered by Yourn van
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  Speaker 1: der Slute, they would arrest vander Slut and the Calpo
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  Speaker 1: brothers and then release them, and then re arrest them
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  Speaker 1: and release them. It went on and on and on
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  Speaker 1: while the case went cold. So in this jurisdiction of
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  Speaker 1: the Bahamas, they can arrest you and when it gets
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  Speaker 1: time where they have to let you go, they can
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  Speaker 1: renew the information. But they're at a deadline now they've
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  Speaker 1: got to do something. In the US, once you're arrested,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: there is literally a clock ticking before you have to
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  Speaker 1: appear before a magistrate and you're told with what you
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: were charged and a lot of other information, or the
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: case is thrown out if those procedures are violated. So
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  Speaker 1: they've got to do something one way or the other.
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  Speaker 9: They do, and you know, it's really based on the
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  Speaker 9: principle that when something suspicious happens, you can detain someone.
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  Speaker 9: Law enforcement can detain them, They can even arrest them
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  Speaker 9: and the Bahamas and try to question them, but we
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  Speaker 9: can just holl them indefinitely, especially if law enforcement has
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  Speaker 9: not acquired the requisite evidence they would need to bring
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  Speaker 9: a charge and pursue a prosecution. So that judgment call
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  Speaker 9: is coming up very swift, and these authorities are going
• 40:01
  Speaker 9: to have to make a decision, Hey, do we think
• 40:03
  Speaker 9: we have enough to really go after this guy or not?
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  Speaker 9: Or are we going to renew our request to detain
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  Speaker 9: him longer, so we can hopefully that meet that threshold.
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  Speaker 9: So I'm sure those discussions are happening literally as we speak.
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  Speaker 1: Jordan Plants, neighbor ofblin At and Brian Hooker's back home
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: in the US. Jordan, what do you make of texts
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  Speaker 1: that have been unearthed where she was texting stating that
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: she was leaving him.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, I believe when she says that she's going
• 40:35
  Speaker 10: to leave, but who's to say that he didn't uncover
• 40:38
  Speaker 10: those texts? And then that frustrated him because she's speaking
• 40:41
  Speaker 10: out or reaching out, saying hey, like this is not working,
• 40:45
  Speaker 10: and then what it turns into something like this. You know,
• 40:50
  Speaker 10: it's just sad because this could have been probably prevented,
• 40:54
  Speaker 10: and you know, she could still be here and the
• 40:57
  Speaker 10: family wouldn't be mourning the loss. So it's pretty devastating
• 41:02
  Speaker 10: to hear too.
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  Speaker 1: Janine Driver, I'd like to hear your response on that
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: last sound that we played of Brian Hooker caught on
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  Speaker 1: tape and his story about what happened to Lynette.
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  Speaker 12: Well, let's start with I can't explain what happened to us.
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  Speaker 12: Two times he said in that statement, Nancy. Two times
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  Speaker 12: I can't explain what happened to us. We hear this
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  Speaker 12: a lot. We heard something very.
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  Speaker 8: Similar with a guy that staged a hate.
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  Speaker 12: Crime over in Chicago named Jesse Smullett.
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  Speaker 8: I can't explain what happened to us. Yeah, guess what.
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  Speaker 12: The brain doesn't want us to lie, so it will
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  Speaker 12: come out in words if we pay attention. I was
• 41:41
  Speaker 12: going to row, all right, so we're looking at tense changes.
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  Speaker 8: So he was going to do it.
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  Speaker 12: I was trying. I was going to try. Try means fail.
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  Speaker 12: We know that from Star Wars with R two D
• 41:50
  Speaker 12: two back in the day. Everybody knows try means fail.
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  Speaker 12: If I say, try to catch this dollar, try to
• 41:54
  Speaker 12: catch it, and you catch it, you failed because you
• 41:57
  Speaker 12: need to try to catch it.
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  Speaker 8: I don't want you to actually catch it. I just know.
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  Speaker 8: So we hear just again, that minimizing word. That minimizing work. Hey, Nancy,
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  Speaker 8: can I ask you just a few questions? I don't
• 42:08
  Speaker 8: need to say just. I can say Nancy, can I
• 42:10
  Speaker 8: ask you a few questions?
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  Speaker 12: When I add just, I'm saying I'm uncomfortable with what
• 42:15
  Speaker 12: I'm talking about here. I'm minimizing the ask that's coming
• 42:19
  Speaker 12: and kind of I told you earlier. Linguistic dimmer switches
• 42:23
  Speaker 12: are basically kind of I said with Amber heard she
• 42:27
  Speaker 12: said he kind of did this. He kind of put
• 42:29
  Speaker 12: me on a table and kind of did this to
• 42:31
  Speaker 12: my body, and he, I say, kind of pushed me
• 42:33
  Speaker 12: down the stairs when there's a kind of there's more
• 42:35
  Speaker 12: to find a so kind of take these little things
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  Speaker 12: for granted.
• 42:38
  Speaker 8: Oh and just what else He's going to sell the boat?
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  Speaker 8: So what is this guy doing.
• 42:43
  Speaker 12: He's telling us, I'm gonna if we can't find her,
• 42:45
  Speaker 12: I'm going to sell this boat. Yeah, no, kid, And
• 42:47
  Speaker 12: you're selling the boat, bro, because you don't want them
• 42:49
  Speaker 12: looking all around the boat. So when this boat goes
• 42:52
  Speaker 12: all of a sudden for sale in the next two weeks,
• 42:55
  Speaker 12: don't be surprised that you saw it coming. See, when
• 42:57
  Speaker 12: people are going to do something, oftentimes they'll let us know.
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  Speaker 12: They'll give us a little sneak peek, they throw the
• 43:04
  Speaker 12: bait at us. And so right here, I think he's
• 43:06
  Speaker 12: telling us, don't be surprised when this boat gets sold
• 43:08
  Speaker 12: really quickly.
• 43:09
  Speaker 8: He wants to get out of the boat situation.
• 43:11
  Speaker 12: So a lot of suspicious behavior and words here, and
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  Speaker 12: I think it's indicative of a lot of cases we've
• 43:19
  Speaker 12: talked about here before.
• 43:21
  Speaker 8: Listen, you're innocent until proven guilty. Let's see what happens
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  Speaker 8: right now.
• 43:24
  Speaker 12: He's not doing a really good job of saying to
• 43:27
  Speaker 12: people like you and me and people who can spot deception,
• 43:31
  Speaker 12: that this is a truthful person.
• 43:33
  Speaker 8: There's more to the story here.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Of course, at this juncture, he is innocent until proven guilty.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: He has not been formally charged, and her death, her
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: body has not been found. A lot happening right now
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: as a deadline looms. To Vanessa Walt, star of Unmasked
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: True Crime, what is your takeaway of these recordings?
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  Speaker 7: My biggest takeaway from his audio is that all of
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: these little things might seem small when you just look
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: at them and singularly, but I think that when you
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: put it all together, it pants a pretty compelling picture
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: that just it doesn't fully line up.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about Lynette
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Hooker's disappearance, please dial two four two three hundred eight
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: four seven seven repeat two four two three hundred eight
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: four seven seven. Let's stop and remember a real American hero,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Deputy Sheriff jose On Hell DeLeon, Warren County sheriff's North Carolina,
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  Speaker 1: just twenty four, killed in a vehicle crash responding to
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: a damrell a domestic relation violence call. Survived by his
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: loving partner Anna and son Kingsley, who is sentenced to
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: life without his father. American hero Deputy Sheriff jose On
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  Speaker 1: Hell DeLeon. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.