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JFK ASSASSINATION - Ep. 363 - Ricardo Monkey Morales · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 3: and gentlemen, here we go?
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  Speaker 4: What is up? Everybody? Welcome in to the Lone Goming Podcast.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Rob Clark, the Triple B Big Bad Bob Rare
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  Speaker 4: form rob whatever you want to call me, tonight along
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  Speaker 4: with me, Joe Borelli, and tonight we got a special
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  Speaker 4: treat for you folks. We got a show all about
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  Speaker 4: Ricardo Morales Senior. And to do that, we also have
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  Speaker 4: here Ricardo Morales Junior, who we would be calling Rick
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  Speaker 4: as much like me, I don't like to be called Robert,
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  Speaker 4: jodahn't like to be called Joseph, and uh, we like
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  Speaker 4: making new friends here. So sometimes that's only when I'm
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  Speaker 4: mad at you, okay, yes, noted, when you need to
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  Speaker 4: be sternly reprimanded.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, which is which is quite quite often.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, quite often. So Joe, if you would please
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  Speaker 4: introduce our guests a little better than I just did.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, so, I'm just gonna bring them on right now.
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  Speaker 3: And this is mister Ricardo Morales and uh he is
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  Speaker 3: the son of Monkey Morales, who is also Ricardo Morales.
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  Speaker 3: Nava mav thank you.
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  Speaker 1: It's the Cuban thing where they give you everybody's name
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  Speaker 1: in the family, so he has Actually that's stupid thing
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  Speaker 1: that okay, sticky with forty three names.
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  Speaker 3: It is a running joke on the show, Rick that
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  Speaker 3: I must mispronounce everything and people find it hilarious so all,
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  Speaker 3: and usually we welcome all the people in, but we're
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  Speaker 3: going to kind of skip that tonight. But I just
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  Speaker 3: want to thank the Double B for his twenty dollars
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  Speaker 3: super jat, quit monkeying around, Welcome all to the best
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  Speaker 3: podcast ever. And I also want to congratulate the Double
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  Speaker 3: B on his engagement in the last air too.
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  Speaker 2: He's a big supporter of her show.
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  Speaker 1: Rick so cool.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, let's let's get into it. And I want
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  Speaker 3: to start off with a funny story. Sure, I first
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  Speaker 3: messaged you on Twitter on ex and when I did,
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  Speaker 3: I thought you were the son of David Murray. David yes, uh,
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  Speaker 3: And I had heard of Monkey Rob and another friend
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  Speaker 3: had had made fun of me for this. But the
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  Speaker 3: other friend said, although that would be a fascinating interview,
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  Speaker 3: and I think and conversation, and that's what we're going
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  Speaker 3: to have tonight. And yeah, I ordered your book that
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  Speaker 3: has come out.
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  Speaker 2: What date was it?
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  Speaker 3: September? September, the ninth of September. I was in Italy
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  Speaker 3: and when I came back, it was waiting for me.
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  Speaker 2: It is awesome.
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  Speaker 3: The true story of a mythic Cuban exile assassin Ci
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  Speaker 3: Operative FI informant, smuggler and dad. So there was no
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  Speaker 3: connection between your dad and David Moreles. Just to make
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  Speaker 3: it clear for the audience, I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Aware who David Morales is and I know that there's
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  Speaker 1: a very intriguing story there connected with the dayfk assassination.
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  Speaker 1: I've read that a little bit about him. But there
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  Speaker 1: is no connection in the family with him. Got it
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  Speaker 1: that I am that I am aware of I got
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  Speaker 1: I just want to say that because I don't know
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  Speaker 1: when they were in Cuba, those people, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if they ran into each other or not, you know, right,
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  Speaker 1: because my dad did have CIA connections wild in Cuba.
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  Speaker 1: So like Frank Sturgis said, John As you know those
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  Speaker 1: kind of people that were that were all fighting with
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  Speaker 1: Castro alongside of Castro. Yeah, so they could have, you know,
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  Speaker 1: known each other from.
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  Speaker 3: Them, and I think he did work with Operation forty
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  Speaker 3: at some point. But what why don't we start with
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  Speaker 3: your description of your dad.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, my dad was born in Cuba, the son of
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  Speaker 1: a federal judge under the Battista administration, and the while
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  Speaker 1: in school he was in a Jesuit school in high school,
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  Speaker 1: they figured out that he was he had an identic memory,
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  Speaker 1: so he could remember everything. He would like read a
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  Speaker 1: book and remember and then he would take the test
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  Speaker 1: and pass the test so he wouldn't have to do anything,
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  Speaker 1: so he could remember everything. So they put him in
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  Speaker 1: the military. That immediately send him to the military school
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  Speaker 1: so we could start learning military things. So they started
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  Speaker 1: training him in the military. This is all while Castro
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  Speaker 1: has just taken power and is trying to consolidate power
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  Speaker 1: in Cuba. So they start training him and you know,
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  Speaker 1: shooting explosives and all that stuff, and he spends a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of time doing that, and then at some
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  Speaker 1: point Castro regimes decides that his connection to the Baptista
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  Speaker 1: administration through his father being a judge, puts a target
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  Speaker 1: on my dad's back, and they send his partner at
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  Speaker 1: the time, who went by the name of Americano, which
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  Speaker 1: makes yeah, it's a weird thing, but his name was Americano,
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  Speaker 1: and they send them Anticano to go from away and
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  Speaker 1: kill him. But my dad finds out who his brother has.
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  Speaker 1: They've they've figured it out, and he beats them to
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  Speaker 1: my dad and tells him. So when the Medicano comes
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  Speaker 1: into her, my dad is the building. Then my Dad
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  Speaker 1: disarms him and shoots him and kills him, and they
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  Speaker 1: drive off and they drive to the Brazilian embassy, where
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  Speaker 1: he spends eighty two days in the Brazilian embassy seeking
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  Speaker 1: aside to get out of the country because they're castros
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  Speaker 1: trying to kill him. So that's the early stages in Cuba.
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  Speaker 1: At that point, after the two days, he leaves and
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  Speaker 1: goes to Miami. At that point, all our family's gone,
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  Speaker 1: all both sides of the family have gone through Miami already.
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  Speaker 1: He was, him and his brother were the last to
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  Speaker 1: leave Cuba from the family. He arrives in Miami, and
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  Speaker 1: when upon arrival in Miami, he's reed into the Cuban
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  Speaker 1: groups that are there because of his ability to make
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  Speaker 1: bombs and his ability to use and his g in
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  Speaker 1: Cuba gives him the gravitas to you know, a big
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  Speaker 1: figure that they can use, and so they recruit him
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  Speaker 1: into what becomes later on Op forty, which as a
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  Speaker 1: team of specialized agents, pilots, snipers, you know, whatever specialty
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  Speaker 1: they had for to form this group. And he begins training,
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  Speaker 1: gets more training and bomb making and whatnot, and that's
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  Speaker 1: where he is able to also acquire C four explosives,
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  Speaker 1: a different type of explosives that they're going to then
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  Speaker 1: use in the Cuban power groups in Miami to to
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  Speaker 1: do what they have to do to fight for the
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  Speaker 1: to regain power in Cuba. So he spends a lot
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  Speaker 1: of time in in Miami. In that time, they're they're
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  Speaker 1: they're just planting bombs everywhere. People are different groups.
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  Speaker 2: Your dad is demolitions expert, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He's a bomb maker, a sniper, you know. And he
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  Speaker 1: can he can take apart like he'll read a manual
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  Speaker 1: on a weapon, remember the instruction, and take it apart
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  Speaker 1: and put it back together. So his memory is.
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  Speaker 3: And weren't you told at a young age to look
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  Speaker 3: under taught at a young age.
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  Speaker 1: I figured I'd get that.
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  Speaker 2: Under the cars for car bombs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was about eleven years old, ten eleven years old,
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  Speaker 1: and we were shopping at he had come back from Venezuela.
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  Speaker 1: This is like this is like in the seventh so
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  Speaker 1: this we're jumping ahead a little bit in time. But he, uh,
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  Speaker 1: he took me shopping to the Omni. He had just
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  Speaker 1: come back from bed in one of his trips from
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  Speaker 1: being in Venezuela, and he was shopping at the Omni.
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  Speaker 1: It's a brand new mall in downtown Miami. It's beautiful
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  Speaker 1: and we shop and I'm having a great day. And
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  Speaker 1: then it's one of those covered parking, multi layer ramps,
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  Speaker 1: and as children do, they tend to run ahead of
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  Speaker 1: your parents towards the car when you see the car,
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  Speaker 1: most kids, and that's what I did. I try to
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  Speaker 1: get to the car quick. And then he yells you
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  Speaker 1: got to stop and look for a bomb. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: what the hell are we talking about? And he takes
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  Speaker 1: me and he puts me under the car with him,
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  Speaker 1: and he shows me you got to learn what the
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  Speaker 1: frame of the car looks like. You got to learn
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  Speaker 1: what fuel lines are supposed to look like, so that
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  Speaker 1: when you see something that doesn't belong under here that
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  Speaker 1: could kill us, you can figure it out and you'll
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  Speaker 1: see it. And he looked around and he said, all right,
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  Speaker 1: we can get in. We're good. And we got in
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, that was the day I figured, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: now it's deadly. You know. Until then I had heard
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  Speaker 1: bits and pieces as a young kid that he was
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  Speaker 1: in the government work and spy and all that, but
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  Speaker 1: I didn't put the if we could die today day
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  Speaker 1: till that day.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, that's a crazy thing to learn at eleven, that
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  Speaker 3: is for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So obviously, uh, Operation forty recruited him, right, uh correct,
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  Speaker 3: part of the part of the CIA training exiles.
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  Speaker 2: But he was not involved with the Bay of Pigs invasion. Correct,
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  Speaker 2: he was kind of the well he was.
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  Speaker 1: What happened with the Bay of What happened with the
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  Speaker 1: Bay of Pigs is that Op forty is the team
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  Speaker 1: that's supposed to go in after they've secured the beachheads
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  Speaker 1: and all that and game ground. Operation forty would then
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  Speaker 1: land in to go do sabotage and what so parachute parachute,
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  Speaker 1: Well they could parachute. It's because they got pilots, they
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  Speaker 1: got planes. You know, supposedly if we were getting the
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  Speaker 1: CIA assistance that we were supposed to get, there would
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  Speaker 1: have been either voting them then because they were like
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  Speaker 1: on those boats off shore, they were on land, so
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  Speaker 1: they were waiting for the invasion to succeed, get a
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  Speaker 1: beachhead and then like they did in Deed theay, you
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  Speaker 1: drop the paratroopers in land that are gonna go do
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  Speaker 1: the sabotaging and get stuff done ahead of the mass
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  Speaker 1: forces that are coming in. But when the when the
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  Speaker 1: mission fails, they never get sent in. So they just
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  Speaker 1: they got held back. So there there you can see
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  Speaker 1: in the papers of the battalions that were going in.
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  Speaker 1: First battalion going in, second battalion going in, and there's
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  Speaker 1: paperwork on who was supposed to go win. But they
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  Speaker 1: never since they lost. They never had any air cover
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  Speaker 1: or anything anyway, they were not gonna they were not
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  Speaker 1: gonna win. It was.
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  Speaker 2: Needless to say. They were very bitter over this.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yes, people they've trained with have been captured, killed.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, many killed. So that didn't that did that.
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  Speaker 1: That's what soured the relationship. That's one of the soured
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  Speaker 1: the relationship between the Cubans and the US government of
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  Speaker 1: John F. Kennedy at the time was because not only
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  Speaker 1: did okay, so they don't give us help, they didn't
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  Speaker 1: give help to them at the Bay of Tags. So
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  Speaker 1: then after that the Cuban missile crisis hits and they
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  Speaker 1: make an agreement, the Kennedy administration to remove the missiles
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  Speaker 1: in Turkey and never invade Cuba. That's always a little
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  Speaker 1: minor detail that's forgotten in the trade. To get the
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  Speaker 1: missiles out. That's why they never went back in. And
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  Speaker 1: it's sixty plus years in America's never invaded Cuba. Ninety
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  Speaker 1: miles off our shore. We'll go all around the world
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  Speaker 1: to kick somebody's ass, but we won't go ninety miles
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  Speaker 1: because we had an agreement. So that's what happened in JFK.
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  Speaker 1: That's what the Cubans were met about when they said
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  Speaker 1: that we will not invade Cuba. That was a straw.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that broke the camels back on the Cubans
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  Speaker 1: because they were still trying to get applying together to
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  Speaker 1: go back into Cuba and JFK saying we won't invade Cuba,
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  Speaker 1: but it's the end of Cuba for the people in
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  Speaker 1: Miami and the Cubans in the United States. So they're
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  Speaker 1: pissed off. So they're looking to the people that they
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  Speaker 1: work for in the CIA and they're like, if you
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  Speaker 1: need us, we're here. And then the possibility of plan
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  Speaker 1: is developed by somebody else and then bringing the Cubans
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  Speaker 1: in to do the work. Yeah, I don't know, but
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  Speaker 1: it's a very strong possibility. I know for sure that
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  Speaker 1: the Cubans were ready to that's all they talked about
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  Speaker 1: and they still do talk about, is that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Cubans were the ones that probably did shoot Kennedy.
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  Speaker 1: Just which one it was, nobody knows.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and let's let's slide over to New Orleans a
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  Speaker 4: little bit now, sure, because we're kind of staying in
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  Speaker 4: the time frame here after after you know, hooking up
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  Speaker 4: with the CIA in Miami and O forty, we slide
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  Speaker 4: over to Miami, I'm sorry, New Orleans, and we know
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  Speaker 4: that they're training Cuban exiles around Lake Pontre training at
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  Speaker 4: this time, right, and there's a whole lot of CD
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  Speaker 4: stuff going on in New Orleans, a whole lot of
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  Speaker 4: CD characters. But tell us a little bit about that
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  Speaker 4: and how and how your dad came to realize that
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  Speaker 4: Oswald was one of the persons that he was training there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he he, Well, he would take us shooting when
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  Speaker 1: we were young, since like the age of ten eleven
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  Speaker 1: when he started showing us how to find bombs and
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  Speaker 1: all that. So he would always take us out through
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  Speaker 1: the Everglades and teach us how to shoot, sniper training
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  Speaker 1: and all that stuff. In nineteen eighty two when I'm nineteen,
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  Speaker 1: he he's it's the last year of his life. He's
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  Speaker 1: left the witness protection program. He's been trying to sell
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  Speaker 1: a book about his life. He's got a publisher interested,
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  Speaker 1: so he's got it sold. He's been going on TV
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  Speaker 1: shows talking about everything he did in his life. He
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  Speaker 1: does magazine interviews and whatnot. Leaves witness protection. So he's
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  Speaker 1: got no protection whatsoever. So one day he shows up
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  Speaker 1: and he picks us up, which is what his mo
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  Speaker 1: o was always the same way. He would show up
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  Speaker 1: and out of the blue, he would just be like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we were shooting hoops or something. Boom, you look over
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  Speaker 1: and there you are standing by the car. Let's cool.
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  Speaker 1: So we'd hop in the car, we'd take us off shooting.
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  Speaker 1: So we were on the overglades working on sniper schools.
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  Speaker 1: And he says, guys, you know, I am out of
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  Speaker 1: witness protection. I got about three contracts out on me
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  Speaker 1: here in Miami, and I don't know if I'm long
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  Speaker 1: for the world. And I want you guys to know
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  Speaker 1: as much as I can tell you about your father,
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  Speaker 1: because I know that growing up you've heard everything. And
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  Speaker 1: so I was shooting, he was talking. I was I
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  Speaker 1: didn't have a good relationship with my dad at the time,
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  Speaker 1: So I to me, it was like fuck you know,
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  Speaker 1: fuck you you know, I just want to shoot you know.
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  Speaker 1: So my brother asked them, did you kill Kennedy? Because
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  Speaker 1: growing up as kids, we were accused of our father
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  Speaker 1: having been one of the ones that killed Kennedy growing up.
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  Speaker 1: And he says, I did not shoot J. F. Kennedy.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't me, but I was in Dallas the day
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  Speaker 1: of the shooting because I was sent there with my crew,
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  Speaker 1: my cleaning crew, and told just to go to Dallas
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  Speaker 1: and to go to the hotel, check in and wait
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  Speaker 1: for further instructions. So he says that's what he did.
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  Speaker 1: And then while they were in Dallas the assassination happens,
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  Speaker 1: they get a phone call that says go home because
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  Speaker 1: obviously the assassination had gone as plan, the president was dead.
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  Speaker 1: He believes that. He said he hinted at the fact
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  Speaker 1: that if the like they had failed or wounded him,
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  Speaker 1: then they would have been called in maybe to finish
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  Speaker 1: it off somewhere or kill the snipers. Who knows he wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: There was no it's very compartmentalized in that situation. He
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  Speaker 1: only gets the instructions for his crew that's all he had.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't have anything else. So that's uh where the
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  Speaker 1: part one of that story. And then the other one
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  Speaker 1: is after the assassination happens and he goes home, and
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  Speaker 1: he goes back home, he sees Oswalt's picture and they
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  Speaker 1: put it out on the paper in the national news
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  Speaker 1: and stuff, and he goes, oh, my god, that's the
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  Speaker 1: guy that was at the camp. That's one of the
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  Speaker 1: guys that we were training to help him improve in
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  Speaker 1: their sniper ability. Now a lot of people say Oswald
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  Speaker 1: was a marksman. Yeah, he was a marksman. He had
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  Speaker 1: a good grade in the marine for shooting. That grade
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  Speaker 1: is based on static targets.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we have covered this.
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  Speaker 3: He yeah, barely qualified for the middle category and then
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  Speaker 3: in his last test qualified for the lowest category.
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  Speaker 1: And that's a static target. They're shooting, they're not. My
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  Speaker 1: dad had Pulley systems set up so you could. You'd
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  Speaker 1: have to shoot like a master sniper has to put
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  Speaker 1: a volley on two spots to be considered a master
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  Speaker 1: sniper within a certain amount of time. That's what he
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  Speaker 1: was training us. So we would send four down range,
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  Speaker 1: four down range with a second in between the four
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  Speaker 1: down ranges that you had to put all four on target.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what we were training, and that's what he
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  Speaker 1: was doing, training snipers on moving targets, because if you
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  Speaker 1: want to kill somebody in a car, that's how you
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  Speaker 1: do it. So it's not just learning how to shoot
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  Speaker 1: a static target. So he said that based on what
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: he saw that he couldn't have done it because he
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: didn't have the ability. And two he missed the first shot,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: which was the easiest shot in our opinion, to then
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: go with your heart beating old action, he's not. He's not.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: He has a slow his heart rate, he doesn't know
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: how to do any of that stuff. And then you're
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: going to put two on target perfect shots. It's just
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: bewildering to think of somebody with that lack of talent
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: to be able to do that. That's what he said.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: So and as a shooter myself, I find it hard
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: to believe that he put two on target. I think
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: he took the first shot missed. He could have been
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: a patsy in the way of let him shoot. We
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: know he's going to try to Maybe they knew he
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: was going to try to kill the president, so they
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: let him shoot. But they put a back up down
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: range and he shot the first shot. Second maybe he
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: hits them with the second shot, gets lucky, but that
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: third shot doesn't come from the back.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: In my opinion, I completely agree with you, and I
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: know Rob Tuss as well.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I quote from the book.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Rick told his dad what his teacher said regarding lehr
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: vy Oswalt Ricardo snorted, he could never have made that shot.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: I saw him shoot at the camp.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: And do we know the raam that he was at
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: the camp and.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Didn't tell us. Yeah, he didn't tell us dates or times,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: but it seemed to be months before the shooting, because
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: it didn't seem that that he connected a plan to
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: kill Kennedy. He didn't mention it, like you know, we
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: were training him to kill somebody, you know, Like so,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was way early, but it
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: was in that year, in that year for sure. Yeah.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, And another thing I have marked here from
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: your JFK chapter in the book. As Rick grew, his
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: questions about the whole JFK thing morphed into questions about
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: the whole JFK situation, time with his father was less
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: and less frequent, especially when he took some job for
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: the Venezuelan government, but didn't stop talking about JFK, and
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Ricardo kept moving past the subject ancient history. He'd say,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: like dinosaurs. Later, Ricardo would be more open to the discussion,
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: recounting the story of seeing Oswalt, who stood out as
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: one of a handful only a handful of Americans at
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: the CIA camp, as one of the more experienced operatives
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: and better shots in the group of mostly Cubans. Morales
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: assisted with some of the marksman training. He recalled Oswalt
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: as one of the trainees that needed guidance. Morales later
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: stunned upon the newspaper image of Oswalt as the man
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: arrested for the assassination.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: Did your father ever mention Lauren Hall at all?
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: No. The only people that he mentioned to me were
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Frank Sturgis, that he was one of his handlers, and
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: the other ci A was a gentleman by the name
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: of sant Janis who was also a CIA handler for
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: the Cubans. Those are his two CIA handlers that he
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: told us that he worked for. I see those, yeah,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: And I think the Frank Sturgis connection is is it's
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: straight down the middle of the barrel. On that one.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: You know, he's got the Hount connection with the Frank
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Sturgis connection, Watergate connection, the Cubans that work for him,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: So it all lines up pretty in my I mean,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: of all the of all this, the theories that that
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: that are out there, I think the hot Sturgists and
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: them hiring the Cubans on behalf of whoever. Because I mean,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: like I've said before, when we say did the CIA
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: kill Kennedy, it's a very very broad question. It doesn't
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: have to be yeah, it's It doesn't have to be
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: the head of the CIA is. I think a memo
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: bound kill Kennedy. It could be two agents on their
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: own that are sick and tired of the bullshit, have
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: somebody willing to do the job. And then you got
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: to big bank roll a guy who wants to you know,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: the industrial war machine that wants to get rid of
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Kennedy so they can go into Vietnam. They can go
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: into fight Communism out there and make money off wars.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: That's what was going on at the time. The military
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: wanted to go into Vietnam because it's a money maker.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Kennedy was trying to fight going into Vietnam, so you
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: can get rid of them and you and you appease
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: the Cubans and you get rid of Kennedy, and you
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: can go to Vietnam. And that's what ended up happening.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: After the Kennedy gets killed, we go to Vietnam.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I agree. It's like a very nuanced question.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: And I get all the time to the CIA from
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: people from Layman right that don't study this.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: They go, did the CIA kill Jfka. I'm like, well,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: are you talking about exiles.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: That were trying CIA?
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Are you talking about a couple of random case officers.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Are you talking about.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: You know, Alan Dulls running the operation from the farm,
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: which Rob and I are definitely don't just subscribe to
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: It's it's it's it's very very It's an easy question,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: but not an easy one to answer.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The problem is that everybody's waiting for this magical
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: piece of paper to show up that says kill Kennedy.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: You know, it's not going to show up. The CIA
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: greatest burnback operation you've ever seen in your life. So
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: any CIA agents and that were working in this, they
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: burned everything. They didn't leave paperwork behind, trickle stuff that
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: they didn't know about. Is coming out slowly here and there.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: That connects. Yeah, there was a CIA monitoring OSMA. Looks
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: like it from the Joe Nitis file that just came out.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Looks like somebody was reading his nail for the CIA.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: So it was obvious that the CIA knew who he
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: was and was watching him, which makes use which is
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: illegal because that they're not supposed to be working on
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: American soil. So what's going on that they're working on
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: American soil on American product. That's fbijurisdiction, not CIA jurisdiction.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: So the only way they're involved is they're involved because
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: they're inside the planning.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: So and I'm glad you brought that up because on
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: the show, a lot and Robo will attest to this.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: We talk about the interagency conflicts, right and the rivalries,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: but we've also been talking recently about the inter group
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: rivalry from the groups and organizations of Cuban exiles, whether
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: it's a cr RE, the CRC. What was the one
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: year Uncle was involved in Cuban power?
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: There was, Yeah, there was multiple. There was a couple
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: of Cuban power groups, so they were called the same name.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: And then you had Alpha sixty six. You had Omega
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: seven and then you had the forty people, so yeah,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: what's yeah? Everybody there was a yeah. As we like
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: to say in Spanish that the three letter agencies groups.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Everybody always gives himself three letters, so it's the thing.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: So you have all these groups that are that are
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: trying to forment problems with Cuba and whoever's doing business
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: with Cuba out of Miami. So this is early upon
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: his arrival in the early sixties. My dad has, my
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: dad goes and this is a crazy story. So my
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: dad and my uncle, my mother's brother is also working
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: as in a Cuban power group, him and my grandfather
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: on my mother's side, they're also revolutionaries. So on this
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: one night they go bomb. He goes, my dad goes
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: to place a bomb in this uh I think it
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: was an American establishment, but it was late at night.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: They wait till it's closed, so there's no body count.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: My dad puts an envelope under the door with an
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: explosive device, and his views is long because he wants
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: to wait till later at night. Then my uncle shows up,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: not aware my dad's group is bombing, and they're gonna
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: bomb the same place on the same night, and he
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: sets a short fuse and it blows up and it
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: activates my Dad's bomb and they it ruins everything. And
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: then they find a trace print, one trace print from
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: my dad. So the FEDS bring my dad in and
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: my dad says, Hi, how are you doing. He goes, Oh,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: it's the monkey, you know. So he goes, I'm here
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: for you, guys. I'm the one that's going to help
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: you figure out what's going on in Miami because I
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: have access to all the Cuban groups. They all come
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: to me for the explosives. I have the C four,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I have everything I need. I got the weapons, So
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: use me to help you guys keep these Cuban groups
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: from causing because what was going on was they were
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: trying to kill people. And see some of them were
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: willing to kill innocent people, sink inititionships and cause damage,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: and the FEDS and my dad were on that's going
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: to cause a war. You're going to start a war,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: and they were trying. He just wanted to avoid a war,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: so he went to work for the FEDS, basically picking
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: and choosing which groups he would give bombs that worked,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: or he would give duds to other ones. And then
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: blame them for screwing up how he placed the bomb
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: and whatnot.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: So if he didn't support the mission personally, he would
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: give them a dud bomb, which is.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: What happened to doctor That's what happened to doctor Bosh.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: My dad didn't believe that doctor Bosh was a good
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: man at heart. That he wanted he wanted to become
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: president of Cuba, and that was his motive for being
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: in these Cuban power groups. And my dad knew him
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: from Cuba, and the reputation was that he wasn't going
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: to be a good meant to be a president of Cuba.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: So he just he made him feel like he was
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: working for him and then thwarted him almost at every
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: opportunity that he could. And and Bosh ends up going
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: to jail because of my dad turning him in because
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: they were able all the information that he gets. That's
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: the first time Bosh gets in trouble because of my
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: dad in Miami, which he gets in trouble again in
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Venezuela later on. So that's what my dad's doing. He's
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: running the city as to who gets a good bomb,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: who gets a bad bomb, who's fighting the right way?
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Who's not fighting the right way. And in the meanwhile,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: my uncle's still bombing for one of the Cuban power
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: groups and he goes out to California and he blows
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: up in their Canada office that's closed. Like I said,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: there were never any body count there was never any
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: collateral damage. But they catch them. Yeah, but they catch him,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: and they caught my uncle, and then my uncle goes
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: and and my uncle's refuses help. He refuses help. My
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: uncle's motto is the revolutionaries ribbons are jail or death.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I'm not you know, I don't want a special treatment
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: because my fellows aren't getting special treatment. So he did
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: like close to twenty years in jail for the bombing.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: So but he refused help. He was and he's still
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: the same way. He's still a revolutionary. He's still speaking.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: And didn't he escape, Yeah.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: That's yeah, he escapes. At one point he escapes from jail.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: They got him on a work camp. By then, he's
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: been in jail for like eighteen years. And I show
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: up at my aunt's house and he's sitting on her
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: couch and I'm like, what's going on. He goes, Oh,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I got out early release. Let me go. So we
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: went outside playing tennis and all that good stuff. And
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, four days go by and
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: I go, where's hector at him? They say, oh, he
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: went back to jail. He was like, he escaped. I
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: didn't know. I was like thirteen, so that was clueless.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: So yeah, he got arrested for the bombing and escape,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: but then he gave him an extra year.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: He gave Yeah. Man, these Cubans in Miami in the nineteen.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Sixties and after they were cowboys, soldiers of fortune, intelligence
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: assets and agents, and they lived like scarface type of lives.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: And we're gonna get into some of this.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Paula Jane, one of our biggest channel supporters, said he
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: was in witness protection trying to sell his memoirs. And
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: I think she means at the time he died in
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: nineteen eighty two. We will get there, Paula, we will
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: get there.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: And James Smith, who at CIA was in direct command
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: of Operation forty.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Well, depends where. It depends where and when they were.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: When they were in the Congo it was ripped. Rip
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Robertson was the CIA in control of the forty team
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: because they were in after round when they were in Miami.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: My understanding is.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: That it's jam wave.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Jam way and now and then sant Janis and Frank
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Sturgis are running the people.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: Didn't all these Cumans find their way into the deepest
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: heart of Africa in the.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because what was going on was there was a
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: civil war going on in the Congo. And I don't
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: know if you remember the movie. There's a movie, old
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: movie called The Wild Geese where they show all these
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: militaries coming in, the Belgians, the British, they all go
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: in there to save their people in the in the Congo, it.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Was the Belgian. It was the Belgian Congo at the
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Belgian Congo.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: That's right, and they were fighting. The Congolese were fighting.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: But what happened was Castro had been sending soldiers to
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: the Congo to help them fight. So OP forty sent
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Cubans to the Congo to help fight the Cubans that
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: were fighting in the Congo so they could kill each other.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: So the O forty team goes to the Congo and
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: there's fighting going on that they haven't seen any fighting.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: And then there is an urgent call for a mission
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: to go to a village where some missionaries, locals and
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: from all countries, some from the US were being held
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: by the UH, by the by the rebels. It up
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: here now, yeah, and they were they were being held
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: and they were looking for somebody to go in, and
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: the Belgians said, nope, not our people were not going in.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: The British didn't want to go in. And then they
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: went to Rip and they asked them ripped to the
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Cubans while to go in, and Rip said, the Cubans
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: are dying to kill people out here, so they're they're
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: ready to go. So they asked them to go and
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: they sent them in. So they went into this village.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: They shot their way in. My dad was riding on
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: the back of the machine a jeep with the fifty
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: machine gun. He was running that and he took up
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: a fifty cow and he took a shot to the back.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: He took a slug to the back, but he kept shooting.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: They made it into the village. Some of the people
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: had been killed already, but they were able to rescue,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: you know, quite a few people and take them back.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: And they fought their way back out and they made
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: it back to the camp. So they ended up rescuing
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: some reason locals.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: Yes, and this is the picture. I guess it was
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: published on November twenty fourth, nineteen sixty four, but it
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: might have been taken on November twenty second, sixty four.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: That is speculation. Your dad is number eight in the
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: middle here, Ricardo Morales, and you have number five here
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: as William Rip Robertson, and number two mister hefe Renee Garcia,
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: who was one of the pilots at the Bay of
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Pigs who was promised umbrella air cover. Yep, right, once
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: once the brigade landed.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: It makes total sense.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: Now, yeah, one name associate him with a lot of
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: this stuff going on in the Congo. It jumped out
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: to me, is, of course, Frank Bartez. Francis Bartez.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: M Yeah. I don't know much about his story. I
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: know about a couple of more on there. I know
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Orlando Garcia. I ended up in Venezuela, part of the
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: CIA team. A lot of these people, like some of
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: these people end up going to Venezuela eventually and all
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: over South America.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: Right, Bartes was in New Orleans.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, that's right now, I know. Yeah, I
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: don't know anything else on him. I've heard the name,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: but I don't know any personal stories about him. I
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: know the guy doing the right number nine is uh
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: uh was a CIA agent after the Congo, Yes, and
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: he was. He was also a pilot. There's another photo.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I sent it to you. It's
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: just them two together hanging out.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Yes, I have a couple, but I just think it's
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: interesting to point out that they are kind of mocking
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: JFK being the umbrella man of course on the side
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: of Daley Plaza. I think that was symbolic. And I
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: think you know, I have you seen the picture of
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Rick Robertson allegedly and Dealey Plaza. I'm sure you have.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Uh looking at the picture, it's not raining, so.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: No, so it seems to me to be mocking.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see, I have these two.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's looks two. That's my dad and the number
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: nine one is his name?
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Your dad on the left here.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's on the left. And then the guy with
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: the blowing the smoke that was number nine right next
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: to the woman in the group figure. Then that's my
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: dad in Cuba when he was getting married to my
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: mom at the courthouse when he was like twenty years old. Yeah,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: he's a good he's already a he's already a Jesus
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: agent at that point.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: So wow, at twenty, that's crazy.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: That's twenty yeah, insane. And that's the talk with the
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: machine gun on the back. With that they drove into
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: into Stanleyville. That's in the congo.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: And oh, this is in the congo. And which one
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: is your father?
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: The one with the machine gun mounting in He's the one, yeah,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: and I fact he's the one with the gun, always.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Got it, got it. And on the left, I don't
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: know if this is Harper's magazine or no.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: That's a personal family picture. Okay, I've shared it. I've
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: shared it a lot, but it's my I have a
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: my dad's friend took the picture and so we know
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: where it came from.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I'll give you the names.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Do you want. I'll give you those two names because
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: they're kind of important names there. But they're all three
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: of them are OP forty. So on the left, far left,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I can't tell you because they're twins. So the bookends
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: are twins. Those are the Via very Day brothers, File
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: and George. We have very Day Op forty, very very
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: implicated and uh rafile is very inflicated in the JFK
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: assassination probabilities, and he might have been one of his stipers.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: If you pull him up and you look at his profile,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: you'll see he he ends up dying in a mysterious
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: boat explosion in eighty two, the same year my dad died,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: but before my dad. But that's and the one that's
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: in the from the second from the right is Carlos Casada.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: He was the biggest drug dealer in Miami before the
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Colombians came in. He was the biggest. Uh him. He's
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: one of the guys that Scarface is basically based on.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Right, So when before the Colombians came in and Escobar
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: and the Median cartel, it was really the Cubans that
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: were running the drug first marijuana, which your dad was
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: arrested for, and then later cocaine.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: But yeah, they were. They were getting their cocaine from Bolivia.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: It wasn't coming from from Colombia at the time. Columbia
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: doesn't start to get big to it and too closer
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: to the late seventies. So he uh they were again,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: but this is he has that connection to Bolivia and
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: they have that because of his time in Venezuela before
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: the before.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: That, yeah, yeah, and I want to talk about his
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: time in Venezuela. But after this picture, uh coll Morowski.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: This was his lawyer. Am I current wrong?
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's correct, that's one of his lawyers.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Called Morales a real life James Bond. He's been on
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: every side, there's been. Everything he does is for a reason.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: He's got a master plan. He's the consummate professional. You
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: think that a guy as professionals he is. How is
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: he going to get into a bar fight? He was
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: never unprotected, he was never without the gun. And we'll
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: get to that. But yeah, I think your dad had
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: a comment, like a famous quote that says.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, I don't, I don't know.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: I'm yes, say yeah exactly, that's I don't.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't don't play to win the game. I
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: play to stay in the game. You're not gonna win
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: that you're gonna win. It's eventually you'll die and you'll
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: move on. That'll keep going, So you're not So I
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: don't play to win. I play to stay in the game.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Was his nom.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But you know, as we will get into he
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: did die pretty young.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, forty three, Yeah, all this happens in twenty years.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: So twenty one gets married, G two forty three dies.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: So you're compressing all the Cuba, Miami, all the Congo,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: all Venezuela, and then back to Miami and Europe in
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: a short a short life.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to ask you a question. This is
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: a photograph that was taken allegedly in the nightclub in
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: Mexico City on January twenty second.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Sixty three.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: It is believed that the men of the photos for
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: all members of Operation forty. Closest to the camera on
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: the left is Felix Rodriguez, who I believe still lot.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Next to him, Goss and Barry Seal being the Escobar pilot. Yep,
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Tosh Plumbly is attending to hide his face.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: So the right, I'm in contact with Plumbly. I've had
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: two conversations lately with him. Oh really, Yeah, he's still around.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: You might want to get him on your show. I
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: get it. He's still around and sitt and he's got
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: a book coming out, so put it out, put down.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: He's got a book coming out, so that's going to
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: be very intrigued.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: I spoke, I spoke to him about that.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: So the man's got a picture of him on a
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: tank in Cuba, in Santa Ana, Cuba, fighting with Castro. Man,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: it's just he's got He's got the story from the
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: from fighting with Castro to working with the CIA, all
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: of that Cuba stuff. He knows it all. He has
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: all the information.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's interesting.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I forgot the name.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: You'll find it, Yeah, we definitely will.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Uh this is the name of all the Cubanos in
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: al Congo.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is where I saw Francisco Bartez. That jumps
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: out to me. Poor he bring a jumps out to me.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: As possibly related to Carlos.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that might be Carlo's brother or uncle, wouldn't surprise me.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: And there's an Escadero Escadero. I can't even say it Escuadero,
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: not Tony Nester Escadero, but Orlando Lamirez Escadero.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: Related.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's basically the whole team, don't I don't think
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: they were all there at the same time. I think
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: they were like and they went.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: In waves, like a rotation, right.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Like a rotation correct, And and your dad, you.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Know, the Congo at that time, you know, like you mentioned,
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: the exiles went on missions that no one else wanted
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: to go on. He had some serious PSD up until
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: his death about his time in the Congo.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Correct, because they there was a lot of the death
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: that he saw when they were in Trying to say
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: that there were bodies all over the streets. They were
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: also problems with the Congolese had a you know, like
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: the type of voodoo medicine stuff like that, So there
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: was cannibalism that was going on at the time. There
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: was sacrifices that they were doing because they would do voodoo.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: They were They went through one town and the people
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: were hiding and there was like there's one of those
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: like a chief war priest dude walking through the streets
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: trying to do a saca, you know, one of those
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: sacrificial dances or whatever. So they were dealing with that
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: kind of death. There wasn't just shooting people and killing people.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: He saw. They saw a lot of He came back
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: a change name. That's what everybody in the family that
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: I talked to for the book said that when he
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: came back from the Congo, he was not the same
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: guy that went to the Congo. He came back a
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: changed man. I think it made him like numb to
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: the feelings.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean PTSD is no, you know, not serious thing.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: And it's funny because I'm going to bring up how
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: Monkey Morales got his nickname and because he went into
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: a village after it was pretty much slaughtered, and there
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: was one girl that survived, and he put her on
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: his shoulders yep, right, kind of like a monkey does.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: And he was carrying on.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: His back and he and for like four or five
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: days she was attached to him. So he was always
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: carrying her around the camp on his back. And one
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: of the Cubans, in a joking matter, says, oh, there
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: comes a monkey. He goes. It looked like he had
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: a you know, it's racist. I'm I'm just telling the
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: story and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna change it.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: But that's basically.
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: He was always clambing on ship, right right.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah a monkey? Yeah yeah, well some people do you
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: know how it is nowadays. So I just because somebody says,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, look you look like you carry here
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: comes the monkey, it's you know, it's kind of an
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: insult to somebody. So but that's the truth. I'm not
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: gonna change it to make him look better or worse
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: or anything. It's what we it's what it is. But
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: he did it for it was a good thing that
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: he was doing. So yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: So so let's go now to the nineteen sixties in
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: the Congo, right. I think he's there sixty four or
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: sixty five ish, sure, and then at some point closer
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: to nineteen seventy, maybe he goes to Venezuela.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Correct me from go.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: He goes Yeah, he goes back to Miami first. So
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: he goes back to Miami first, and he meets up
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: with Louis Posaala. Louis Posada is a CIA operative, very
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: famous everybody knows. And we'll get further into Posada into
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: the Venezuela story. So Bosala had been working for Lefty
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Rosenthal helping bomb places. So Bosala have been assigned to
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: go to Venezuela and take over the Decet, the spy
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: agency in Venezuela. So he took off to Venezuela. But
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: before he took off, he gave Lefty my dad's number
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: to UH so that he can have a bomber that
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: he would use. So Lefty hires my dad. They meet
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: and they have a good conversation and he says all right,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: and my left he starts hiring my dad to place
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: bombs in different places in Miami. Now you got to
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: realize that this time in Miami, there's so many bombs
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: going off that the newspaper has created like a baseball
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: box score sheet of you know how many this day,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: these many bombings at these places, three bombs on Thursday
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: four and they're tragging it like so many and you
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: can still look those up. So but Rosie, Lefty Rosenthal
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: wants a bookie operation shut down because somebody's running it
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: without permission. So he sends me He tells them, I
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: just want to knock down the wall. I don't want
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: it to kill anybody. I don't want anybody hurt. We
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: just are sending messages. So that's so my dad does.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: He goes, he scopes out the store clowns I believe
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: it was, and he finds the way. He goes inside
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: and he recon orders the place and he figures out
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: and he puts a bomb and it blows up and
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: knocks down the wall and it doesn't hurt anybody. So
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: that's the first message that he sends with him with Lefty,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: and then Lefty hires him for two or three more bombings,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: but one of them turns out to be a cop
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: who wants to bomb another cops house to send a message.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: And when they find out that's what they did, my
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: dad says, enough of this, because you guys are now
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: we have an agreement with the cops, so they're not
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: gonna do anything to us. But if you kill a cop,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: And he didn't know that he was working for another cop,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: so at that point, when he found out it was
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: cop against cop, he ton'd left the No more of
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: this unless it's for you and the business the mafia.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: I don't want to. I'm not getting involved in local
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: City of Miami politics and stuff like that. So then
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: he uh, he does a bombing of a boat and
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: a car outside of the rival's house. I think the
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: guy had stolen his girlfriend. It's basically like the movie
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Casino where his girlfriend is cheating on him and whatnot
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: and the guy who stole his wife.
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and by the way, and by the way, uh
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: what the rosenh Thall is based on the Robert de
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: Niro character in Casina Cross for People that are.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Nowhere, Yeah, and he had lost his girlfriend and the
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: guy who stole his girlfriend had a place in Miami,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: and the boat was named after his girlfriend, so he
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: wanted the boat blown up. So my dad jumped in
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: the river with a rebreather, went under the water and
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: put the boat under, the bomb under the boat, and
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: then he went in and put a bomb under the
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: car and threw the boat up and brew the car up.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: So the guy got the message and let the girl go.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: He didn't stay with the girl any longer. So those
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: were the kind of things. And then there's one more
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I can give you. It's the famous Murph the Surf
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: story where Murph the Surf steals the Star of India
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: and a bunch of diamonds and emeralds from the I
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: think it's in New York, the Museum of Natural History
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: at the time. Time. And so there's a guy who's
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: fencing me and left. He brings my dad with him
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: to go meet the fence and the fence. Something happens
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: between Leftian and the fence, and I doesn't like what's
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: going on, so my dad pulls out the gun and
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: shoots the guy in the eye, and the guy doesn't die,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: but he doesn't press charges. When they ask him we
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: shot you, he doesn't say we shot him. My dad
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: is the one later on admits to the shooting in
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: an interview that he gives later on before he dies.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: So that's what he was doing for Lefty. He was
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: left He's hitman or a Lefties bomber. That's happening for
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: a couple of years, and then Lefty leaves for Vegas.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: And when he leaves for Vegas, my dad gets a
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: job offer from Posada in Venezuela to become the second
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: in command of the Venezuelan Secret Police, which is a
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: decet DIIP. They're basically like our CIA, but for them locally,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: they're an FBI CIA type of agency. And my dad
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: is in control of all the airports. That's one of
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: his major responsibilities. So he's in control of the airports
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: of Venezuela. Anybody coming in and coming out, he deals
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: with all that stuff. So in the beginning of Venezuela,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: what they're doing is the CIA has planted all these
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: people in powerful positions, even the vice president, which my
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: dad says in the interview, he goes, I recruited the
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: vice president of Venezuela who became a CIA operative. Also
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: because this Venezuela at the time wanted to be able
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: to control that region of the world where they were
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: at they have they still have problems with their neighbors
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: and Guyana and stuff like that that they're trying to
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: take land and because of trich with oil. So they
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: made an agreement with the CIA to allow the CIA
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: to come into Venezuela because they were running it anyway.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: It's my dad Basalah. All those people are Venezuela as
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: the Venezuela they were coming, the Americans were coming in
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: and at the same time Israel sent the Mosad because
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: what was happening is they were trying to find Nazis
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: in Venezuela. So Mostat comes in and trains my dad
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: and a couple of other agents because they want to
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: send them out into the field to try to find
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: doctor Mangdela and other Nazis. And you can't really sending
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Mosad agents to You can send some, but they don't
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: speak Spanish stand out. So they wanted to train these
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Cubanans that were working for the CIA. So he received
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: all this Mozad training at that time, and they were
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: looking for Mengo, but they never found Mego. Mengal ends
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: up dying while swimming of a heart attack or something in
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: South America. But he was close, he was close, they
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: were close to finding him, but he never He receives
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: a medal from Gold in my Ear, just a thank
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: you metal for participating with the Masad and helping the
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Massad on the Nazis. So it was like a medal
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: of appreciation, a medal of danger from Masad right from yeah,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: from Gold in my Ear through Mozart.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Which is crazy to think, like, as we've gone through
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: your dad's career, here here he is in the seventies
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: in Venezuela hunting Nazis that have fled to South America.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: It's yeah, and they're in charge of the drug trade
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: because what's going on is in Bolivia the people people
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: that are selling the cocaine are the descendants of those
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Nazis that came over. They have all the money and
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: the power. So that's one of the reasons they're hunting
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: the Nazis because the cocaine is coming from Bolivia through
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Venezuela to the United States, and then weapons are going
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: back through Venezuela because my dad controls the airport, so
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: he's allowed, he allows the passage and the US is
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: sending guns to Chile and all those countries to stir
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: up problems and try to overthrow those those governments. That's
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: where all the weapons smuggling begins. That later on turns
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: into Iran Contra and a couple of years after my
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: dad dies, But the beginning of it all starts through
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Venezuela because they have all these agents that are that
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: are working for them in Venezuela.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: That is a crazy story.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: So uh, let me well, we haven't even got to
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: the plane in Venezuela. Yeah, yes, let's knock off Venezuela.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well, please please explain the situation, all right.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: So, while while he's in Venezuela where and they're doing
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: all that, there has been a plan in place by
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Cuban power and different Cuban organizations c or du Cordu
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: is one of them. Bosh is involved in the original
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: planning and conversation about attacking Cuban targets and maybe attacking
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: their airplane because Cuba was using three airliners they had
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: leased from the British that were Air Canada planes that
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: were DC tens I believe at the time, and they
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: had three of them and they were using those to
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: ferry troops to the Congo. Those are the planes that
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: they used, and they also used them for their bureaucrats
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: and their leaders and whatnot to travel from places.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: So, so Castro Cubans were fighting anti Castro Cubans in Africa.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Right right, and that's how they were using those planes.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: So they there was only one plane left that they
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: were using that was in service, and the Cuban that
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: were in Venezuela, the anti Castros wanted to blow that
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: plane up, but they wanted to blow it up on
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: the ground. Was the original plan. So at a certain
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: point the plan goes into operations somehow. Orlando Bosh is
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: trying to get to Chile because his wife, his new wife,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: is from Chile and he wants to retire. He's an
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: old man and he looks for help to get to
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Chile and he comes to a guy that is connected
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: with my dad, and my dad offers him, sure, come
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: to Venezuela and I'll take care of you, and he
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: put him away once, but he goes ahead and trusted
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: him again and my dad puts him up in his apartment.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: He's staying at the in Rocas at the Hilton and
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Bosh is living with my father in the same place,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: which makes no sense whatsoever, because I don't know how
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: he trusted him. But at that point the bombers come
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: to my dad. My dad says, go to the explosives
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: rooms and just take whatever you want. So they take
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: the C four explosive with him and they build a bomb.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: And while the plane lands in Barbados and is leaving
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Barbados and they plant the bomb. Now, the plane was late.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: There's a timing issue with the plane's arrival and departure.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: Time is one of the problems that could have caused
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: the bomb to go off in the air as opposed
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: to on the ground. Because the guy cleaning the plane
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: pretended to be ground crews planted the bomb and it
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: was supposed to go off like no time later, so
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: there'd be no people on the plane. Just blow it
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: up on the ground. We don't care about the people.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: But then something turns up later, which is that five
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: North Koreans bor died that plane in Barbados.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Delegates right.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, from the government coming to meet with the Cuban government.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: And this is the exact time that they become nuclear
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: in North Korea. So did somebody give an order to
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: change when the timer so that it would blow up
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: in the air and kill all the communists and those
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: five North Koreans, or the guy who set the timer
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: fuck up and and it went too late, he put
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: the time around too long, and the plane took off
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: before Nobody knows. But the result of it is that
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: my dad arrests Orlando bosh And and they get arrest Posada,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: they arrest the two guys that planted the bomb. They
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: all get arrested. My dad doesn't get arrested. Then Venezuela
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: starts denying that these people even work for the government,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: even though they've been working for the government there for
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: like four years already. And so you've got this this
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: plane that's been killed. Seventy three people die, and they
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: arrest all these three people. My dad finds his way
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: back to the US. They take them in, they give
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: them a deposition, ask them questions, and after the deposition
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: is over, they just let them go. They don't even
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: arrest them for they don't they don't care. You know,
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: it's like he's got the CIA connection. They know, they
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: know what happened. Let him go and he walks, but
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: he's blown. Yeah, but he's cut. But but he's blown,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: and from that moment on he had to figure out
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: a way to get back to the US. He was blown.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: They were not they're not acknowledging that he works for
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: the CIA, but as well as not acknowledging that he
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: worked for them, So he's out of it. He's burned.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: He has no work for for the government. So that's
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: when he goes back to his Cuban friends that are
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: now the biggest drug dealers in Miami and says, I
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: have a lot to offer you, and they say, yeah,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: we would like you to join our our team, and
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: he joins the cocaine trade and pot trade first, and
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: then the cocaine trade.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: Wow wow, And uh, could you tell us the story
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: of when the prosecution called him as a witness for
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: for sure?
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: For sure? That's the TikTok. Yeah, yeah, there's there's this
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: the largest case, the largest cocaine case ever. What happens
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: is my dad. Somebody snitches on my dad that he's
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: hauling that marri on his shipment and the cops arrest
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: him and he gets pissed off at them because there
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: was a crew that he was working for. Somebody had
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: snitched on him. He beats the marijuana case, gets out
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: and says, fuck you, I'm going to snitch on you
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: guys now. So he went to the cop to the
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: Feds that he knew, and he said, I can get
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: you the biggest cocaine ring in Miami. Sure, So they
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: go and they hide a listening device in a wall
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: clock and it's called the TikTok's case because you can
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: hear the clock going tick talk the whole time in
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: the in the recordings. So they arrest I think it's
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: like thirty people in this ring, you know, and a
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: lot of them are his friends.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: Right, former former Bay of Pigs, former.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Bay of Pigs. Yeah, a lot friends from Cuba. Forty
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: team members, you know, a lot of people that he knew.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: So he gives you know, he goes and he gives
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: a da what he's going to tell him, and he
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: gives them all that stuff. And then when they go
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: to court on the first day of court, he walks
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: into court, walks over to the prosecution table the defense
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: table where the defendants are at, and he salutes them.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: A few of them salute back, a few of them
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: stand up, they start hugging. They start saying hi to
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: each other. They're giving each other love, and the district
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: attorney freaks out because she doesn't. She thinks, wow, he's flipped.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: He's not gonna talk about it, and she she she
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: doesn't ask him any questions when he's on the stand.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: She's like afraid to say anything. So she says, I'm
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: not gonna ask any questions of this witness. And then
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: the other one's the prosecutor, goes, we don't have any
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: you know, the defense prosecutor, we don't have any questions either,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: and they throw the case out. The case gets dismissed,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: and nobody goes.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: You can't have cross if you don't direct.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So he got the cold place flushed, got everybody.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: Everybody got off. Some of the people like yeah. Carlos
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Casale ended up losing some money, but the government had
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: to return four hundred thousand dollars to him because at
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: the time there were no four fiture laws, so it's
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: not like now where they catch you as a dirgey
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: and they take your house or cars and everything. Back then,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: the only thing they got him for was kom taxivasion,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: so he had to pay what he owed in taxes
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: for the amount of money that they found that he had,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: but couldn't prove how he had gotten the money, so
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: they couldn't take it away. So he ends up getting
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: four hundred thousand dollars paid back to him. So they
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: you know, they came out okay from the from the situation.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: And my dad was put into witness protection because of
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: that case because there was they wanted him dead at
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: the time, right, So that's what happens with that case. Yeah,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: that's how he gets it throw.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: So he went to witness protection late seventies ish, yeah,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: no eighty yeah, late seventy I would say closer to
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: eighty any one. And then he leaves witness protection.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's frustrated. He can't live that life. I mean,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: he's never been a guy who's had a job and
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: no juice, no excitement, you know, you gotta have excitement.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: And he leaves and that's when he comes back to
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Miami without winness protection as I said earlier, and he
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: picks him up one day and takes a shoe right right,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: So that's how he gets back to Miami. But when
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: he gets back to Miami, there's people looking for him
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: to kill it.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: Contracts out of him. Yeah, and and and one thing
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: I noticed about your dad and one thing I noticed
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: and like, listening to all these former Special Forces guys
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: on YouTube, there are adrenaline junkies. Oh right, yeah, I
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: think that's exactly what what your father was. And oh yeah,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: I believe he hit the bottle hard and other things
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: every yeah, you know.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, at the end, he was doing drugs. Yeah, he
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: was out. He was he had nothing to h to
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: drain that, all that that he had inside of him
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: that he wanted to do, he had no outlet for it.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: So then the booze and the drugs that he's selling
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: takes over, and then you lose a step, you know,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: you lose a step. You're not a sharp as you
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: as you were before, and things start to happen, and
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: that's what it catches up to him.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: Right, So, your dad is killed in nineteen eighty two
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: in a bar fight, a gunfight allegedly. At this time,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: he was kind of doing his mini book tour. He
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: was trying to sell his life story. And I just
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: want to get your thoughts on was this bar fight.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: I guess the guy who shot him was an off
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: duty cop or something, right, an.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: Off duty Cuban cop from Cuba. He wasn't a Miami cop.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: He had been a cop. And if there's a I
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: can tell you the story, and it's gonna it's a
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: little convoluted because there's a lot of players involved, but
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: I'll give you the So my dad that day, my
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: dad that day started drinking early, and him had a friend,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: a guy friend, and a girl that he knew and
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: that a lot of people knew.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: Didn't he sell her ex husband?
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There's a lot of so
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: her uh, her first husband killed somebody and then he
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: killed him and her husband. So, yes, he had killed
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: one of her husbands. Because the other husband, the other
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: ex husband, is part owner of the club where he
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: ends up getting killed at. So that gives you a
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: connection with her and the bar that he ends up
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: going to. So at some point in the evening, she
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: starts asking, let's go to Cherry's in keep this game,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: which is the name of the bar, and it's called
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: Rogers on the Green, and then the bar is called Cherry's,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: so as a restaurant in a bar, and she's bugging
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: my dad and my dad saying no, this comes from
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: the third person that was in the room that night
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: until the shooting. And then eventually he gets tired of
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: her asking let's go to and says, all right, okay,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: let's go. So they go to Cherries. They go to Cherries,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: they walk in. The owner of Cherries is Roger Novo
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: and Jan Sid who's not there that night, but one
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: Sid is Nancy Sid, the woman and my dad with
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: ex husband, So you've got that ex husband. Also, my
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: dad is also a witness and a case against him
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: for tax evasion, so there's another reason for that guy.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: I want them dead. Orlando Torres, who is the shooter
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: that kills my dad, works for One Sid as a
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: bodyguard and works for Roger as a bouncer at the club.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: So it's you're one. You're walking into a situation that
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: he my dad doesn't know Orlando Torres. He knows Roger.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: So Roger and my dad begin to talk and argue
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: about something whatever, and my dad goes to leave, and
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: it's because Nancy doesn't want to pay for the drinks
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: because their ex husband owns half the bar. So somebody
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: says that somebody called my dad a faggot also on
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: the way out, so my dad goes back in by himself.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Nancy stays outside and the other guy stays outside. They
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: don't go back in, and while he's in there, he's
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: arguing with Roger, so it appears that he's face to
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: face with Roger, and at some point somebody pulls out
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: a gun. My Dad's got a gun in his ankle holster,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: but he never makes it to the ankle holster. He
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: bends down and Orlando Torres had come up behind him
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: and put a bullet in the back of his head.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: He never saw it coming. So Roger had a gun
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: on him also that night, So my dad was probably
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: worried about Roger pulling out a gun and might have
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: gone for his gun, because if my dad had gone
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: there to kill Roger, that makes no sense. If my
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: dad wants to kill Roger Novo, he just appears, Roger
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Novo just disappears, so the guy shoots my dad. The
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: cases of Clusterfuck from the beginning with the cops. The
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: cops show up. They tell that people tell him it
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: was a bar fight, says, and it's in the paper
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: with the life that Morales has left. If they're telling
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: me it's a barfight, I'm happy with that I can
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: live with that because how many people wanted him, which
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Also, so they he's killed
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: and we find out. We go to the hospital the
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: next day and you know, we say guard goodbyes and whatnot.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Our uncle tells us my dad's brother, Rolando Morales.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: Tells us not so revolutionary, correct.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, also a revolutionary back in Cuba. Yes, he was
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: supposed to be in the Bay of Pigs and he
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: had an appendicitis attack and they had to ship him
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: out off the boat and take him to a hospital
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: on the main lane, so he didn't get the land.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: So but so he tells us to go about our lives.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: He doesn't want us because my brother was a marine,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: so he's a little headstrong. And I'm out on the
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: streets already being a bad guy, you know, trying to
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: follow in my father's footsteps at the time. And he
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: tells us to just go about our lives, and so
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: we do. And two years passed by and I get
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: a call, living in Palmeech County at the time, and
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: I get a call and all the call says is
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: go buy the local news from Miami and hangs up
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: on me. And I'm like, okay, so I go down.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: I'm in Palmi, so I have to get the herald
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: in the local news. Roger Novo found dead out in
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: West Day dumping in the swamp out there, and nobody
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: knew who had killed Roger. And it turns out later on,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: when my uncle is dying, he confesses on his bedside
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: to his family, to the family and to a priest,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: because they called the priest because he was his last rights,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: and he confessed that he was the one that killed
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: Roger in retaliation for right. And people would ask why Roger,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: Roger didn't shoot you that Orlando Torres did. My uncle
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: made a decision which person involved in that What we
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: figure was a coordinated plan to get him there and
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: have a fight with him so we could shoot him,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: so they could shoot him, which one would hurt the most.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: Orlando Torres was an outsider, He wasn't loved, He was
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: a hired one guy went off. Roger Novo met Moore
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: in that situation because that was the main protagonist. So
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: that's why he killed Roger instead of killing that was.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: Roger related to the other Novo brothers at all, No
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: I know, it was kind of uh snitched to the
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: FBI Italiate bombing.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's ah, that's one of the bombings that my
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: dad knows about because it was dealing with the Chileans
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: that were trying to to uh overthrow the government and
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: get Pinochet in. Then the c i A was down
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: there messing Chile up and and they killed uh, the
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: the ambassador, I think it was the ambassador, Orlando LeTellier.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: They killed them with a bomb. That's where I believe
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: the other guys from the outboard team might come into
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: play the Verdes and then they might be involved in
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: that one. I'm not one hundred percent sure, but they're
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: involved in the bomb.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: Yes, these were related and.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: Those, Yeah, but there it's a differential.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: Retaliation for that maybe for him.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, that was a different one. Yeah.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I asked uh.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: A couple of people if they had any questions for you,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: and UH one of the questions is, uh, do you
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: love the Lone Gum and podcast?
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: Of course that would be yes. So I'm not even
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: gonna make you answer that.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: Uh who did who did your father think was behind
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: the plan? So I just want to give this background,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: and I don't say this very often. I'm almost certain
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: the shooters, not Oswalt of JFK, were Cuban exiles that
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: were living that cowboy life, going on raids, risking their lives.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. Obviously, if I could
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: solve the case, I'd be happy to do. You share
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: that belief, and what did your father think? And what
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: do you think? And then we got a little to
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: what your father thought earlier.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I said, I believe that my father that
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: the Cubans had had it with Kennedy and we're itching
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: to get rid of them because he had given up Cuba.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: So I feel that somebody that was handling the Cubans
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: at the time knew that they were willing to do it,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: and then they had somebody hatch to plan. I don't
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: know if it was how far up it goes, I
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: don't know. I tend to lean to lean towards the
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: Hunt and Sturge's gang because they had more dealings with
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: Cubans and most of the other ones. And there's that
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: Hunt stuff that's you know, it's pretty mysterious with his
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: wife dying and uh, the money and all that stuff
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: that came out in Watergate, and that you know, that
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: plane that crashes when she leaves her husband mysteriously and
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: she has like a hundred couple of hundred grand on her.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: If you watch the show, the Watergate show the Plumbers,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: I think it was called it out on HBO, it
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: has that story in it. So based on those that
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: from what I've heard and all the stories, I would say, rogue,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: rogue c I a with rogue Cubans and then powerful
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: people with money, easy to do.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: Right and and of course Rip Robertson comes to mind.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: Right whether he was in the right, whether he was
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: in deally or not, he was definitely He was one
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  Speaker 3: of the only two Americans to land during the Bay
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: of Pigs with.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: Uh Grace the Lynch, I believe the other almost And.
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  Speaker 1: There were a lot of Cubans in Dallas that day.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: It was almost the biggest king in the city.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't want to I don't want to speak
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: for rob but but we believe A vital Santiago was
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: the dark complexed man next to the umbrella man.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I came wrong, So yeah,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: of course.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: Santiago, yes, So so I want to get your thoughts.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw a couple Cuban organizations out there, and
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: just give me your thoughts and and kind of what
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: your dad might have thought about them.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: The d r E big in the news these days.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: Right, Nothing, I got nothing on d r E for
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: you man, because he didn't talk about it.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: So CRC, what does that standard?
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: Revolutionary Revolutionary Congress Council council? Right, yeah, yeah, bunch of
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: those those people were just like propagandists, is what what
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: he said of those organizations. They weren't. They were propaganda.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: They weren't doers.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: They weren't doers. They were the doers don't show up
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: on street corners, Yeah, to be to be seen, you
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? No, Uh, nobody that'sn't walking and
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: out of those buildings to be photographed and seen like that.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, no, I agree.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: And we've been kind of talking about the different grifts
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: these certain uh Cubans had in their different organizations, how
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: they were uh, how they had differentiating levels of commitment
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: towards military action, towards marching in the street, taking money
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: or propaganda this or that. Was there one your dad
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: favored any more than the other.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: Or.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: Like, I don't think my dad had a preference He
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: just didn't want the Cubans that were in Miami that
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: he didn't want them to do something stupid that would
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: end up blowing the thing out of proportion. That was
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: his whole mo for that, for dealing with the Cubans
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: in Miami. It was just keep them like. There's a
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: there's a time where Boss's organization, the Cuban Power Group,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: wants to sink a Polish freighter with a bazuka. So
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: my dad gets a practice round for the bazukah which
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: is blue, and he paints a green so it looks
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: like a Jenuine round and gives them that round. They go,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: they shoot the bazuka and hit the round hits the
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: side of the boat, but it doesn't explode, and they're like,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: what's going on. It's like it must have been a dud.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm getting it from this group. So
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: maybe this group is bad and they're feeding this bad stuff.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: And that's how he kept it rolling along. So he
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: said in his mind, he's like, I'm not gonna let
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: you think that Polish freighter with innocent people on board,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: just to start a war, you know, just to start problems.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: That's not how he figured it should be done. He
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: wanted it done a big American lead or you know,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: Cubans going back and a big invasion. That's what he
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: That's what everybody thought eventually was gonna happen. And then
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: when it doesn't happen, that's when they all get mad.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: You don't want a bunch of crazy, mad Cubans coming
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: after you, man.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: Right, I would not.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Robb, do you have Do you have
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: anything else?
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: So?
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: I think we pretty much cover everything. Is there anything
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: that you wanted to talk about, Rick that we didn't
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: get into?
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Did we miss I think we got into. I don't
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: know if you missed anything trying to think.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: To be crammed into you know, such a short Oh
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: I know, yeah. I mean not only is it book worthy,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: it's movie worthy, you know.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, Yeah. I went on that pod on Rob
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: Ryaners podcast as JFK one that he did, and I'm
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: on episode like eight or something of it, and I
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: was talking with Ryan or on like we are now.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: We were doing the interview, and halfway through the conversation,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: He's like, man, this is a movie, and I'm like,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: don't you make movies?
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: Rob?
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, what are you telling me that it's a
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: movie for you know. So I'm hoping he reads it
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: and I get a callback from him.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: But there in.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: Listen, There's one more thing I want to add because
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of people, this subject is very controversial to people.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: So I this story. I did not want to tell
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: his story. This story I held back from my own family.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: So when I leave Miami and leave the drug trade,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: and I got married woman, and I had two kids,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: and I leave Miami because I don't want to raise
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: my children in Miami and I want to leave the
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: drug trade, and they did. I left it all. I
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: got a job and I've lived a good life ever since,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: and I've raised two beautiful children. I'm still married thirty
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: four years now. So I got out of it. But
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: I didn't tell them. They never knew anything about their
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: grandfather's life story. Wow, I did not want to talk
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: about this. Then one day on Twitter, Robin Farzad writes
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: a book called Hotel Scarface, which a lot of my
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: dad's life is in that book, and my kid sees
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: it on Twitter. He goes Grandpa's on Twitter and they're
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: going to write a book, And he said, a book,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: and you haven't told us anything, and I'm like, man
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: killed me, dude. And at that point, YEP, I had
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: to tell them everything. And then they're like, oh my god,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: freaking out, you know. And I'm like and then people
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: people start calling for interviews and podcasts because Robin did
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: a podcast that I went on here, so he asked
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: me to go, and I went on and told the story.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: And then I even withheld the JFK stuff because I
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: didn't want to talk about it because it only brings
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: out Hey, you know, it seems to only bring out
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: hate from other people. And I'll give you the perfect
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: example is the ass close Case Posner who thinks he
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: knows freaking everything right. So the other day the Daily
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: Mail put out a story, my story about the book,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: and he comes out on Twitter, this has been debunked,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah, And I'm like, who debunked it?
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: You did, But i mean, how do you know where
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: do you know where Oswald was every day of his life? No,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: you weren't even there. You don't have a paper trail.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: Just because you don't think it happened doesn't mean it's
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: case closed. I'm like, you're the biggest idiot out here
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: who refuses any new information. So I didn't even bring
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: up the JFK. I brought it up to a friend
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: of mine who works at MSNBC, and I said, if
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: the first Trump administration was supposed to release it, they
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: did it. I said, all right, I'm gonna hang on.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: I gave Biden a chance to release it. He didn't
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: release it. Then I went to my friend at NBC
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: and I went, all right, I can't take this anymore.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: I got to give you what I have so that
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: somebody will it'll shake something up, hopefully. And that's when
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: I said the JFK part of the story, because I
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: was like, the story that my dad's life is already enough.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: I didn't need to add it, and it was only
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: going to bring me, you know, garbage and return. Twitter
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: people are just you're this, You're that, You're that, You're
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: a fucking liar this, And I'm sitting there going grow,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: don't read the comments and get out the nets. But
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: the only reason I did it was because they weren't
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: releasing the files. And then finally now the files start
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: coming out, but you're not going to find those papers
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: have been sanitized over sixty years. If you think you
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: know there's there's kernels here and there that are coming
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: out there show deception, show you know, cover up of this,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: not admitting to this. So, but I don't think we'll
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: ever get the what we need. They're all dead, how
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: long they've waited on purpose. So I just wanted that
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: to be to be understood. The story. I didn't even
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: want to tell my dad's story. I was hiding from that.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: It's not something that I thought was a great story
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: to raise your children on, you know what I mean.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: So I wanted to raise my children without them knowing
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: that my son, damn you dad, you mean my dad
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: is a spy scarface, And I can't tell my high
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: school buddies. I would have been the coolest kid in school,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: you know. I'm like, that's why I didn't tell you.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: That's why I didn't tell you, man, because it's not wasn't.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: So I head for forty years from that story till
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: it was forced upon me, and then I did the
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: book for my kids as their legacy left to them
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: by their grandfather. I'm sixty two years old. I'm not
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: doing anything. I'm retired. I'm sitting in my recliner and
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: I'm just going just to make taking care of my family.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: So the book is my legacy, my dad's legacy for
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: his grandchildren, and that's the way I look at it.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: So that's the story of why Monkey Morales was written
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: and how it all came about.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: That's awesome. Well, Rick, like I said, it's a fascinating book. Joe,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: hold it up one more time. Yeah, it's Monkey Morales.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: The link where you can purchase us off Amazon is
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: actually in the description. It'll take you there real quick.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: And also we have a link to.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: You go to Monkey Morals dot com.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we have a link to your website as well
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: down there that has a lot more information than about
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: Monkey Morales and the book.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 6: And Rick, thank you so much for joining his man.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 6: We had a bland Oh, I had a blast. My
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 6: pleasure man. Anytime and we'll get talk. I'll get you
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 6: toss bums into you.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: Guys. I think you've got a conversation with the man.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: He knows David Morales. He knows about David Morales. So
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: because he's Jayway, he's jaywad Way, so.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: That would definitely be interesting.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: And I do thank you for finally coming out to
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: tell your story.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: I know, even though I might have messaged you by.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: Mistake, under false pretenses. I'm glad I did because I
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: learned a lot about your father and uh and and
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: the book is fantastic from what I've read. And I
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: really appreciate your time.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: We I know, our our thanks, our audience definitely appreciates it.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: And thank you again.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: Not a problem, had a great time, guys.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: Thanks.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: We'll see you all right, man, take care, I'll send
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: you out.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: But there he folks. Mccardo Morales Junior. The book is
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: Monkey Morales And I can't remember the subtitle, Joe, you
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: got it in front of you.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: It's alone the true story of a mythic Cuban exile assassin,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: CIA operative, FBI informants, smuggler and dad, which he was
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: all of those things. Fascinating dude, and.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: You know, not a not someone that I was extremely
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: familiar with, like a couple of years ago.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know if he was involved in
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: the assassination. I don't, you know. I'm not a big
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: subscriber to like the backup team type of thing, but
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: I mean it's hard to discount based on his uh.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: Dallas to sit in a hotel room and not clean
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: up anything.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: Right right, Yeah, yeah, well, well they definitely made up
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: for it in the congo. I think he said he
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: had hundreds of kills and gave him pt SD his
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: father until until he died.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: So yeah, that's a bad place to be in the
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: middle of.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 7: After Yeah, and at that time, it's it's crazy with
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 7: that photo too, almost a year to the day or
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 7: two after the assassination with the umbrella mocking the umbrella
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 7: coverage of the bay of pigs, which I think was
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 7: the goal of that picture.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: Crazy stuff, man, I enjoyed it.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: So yep, that's gonna be us for this night. Stay
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: tuned in the near future. We have a book review
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: headed your way here in a couple of days, and
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: we'll be back next Wednesday for the members only show. Yeah,
• 1:26:52
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• 1:26:54
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• 1:26:58
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• 1:26:59
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• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: Hype use the hype button. Yes, we had our most
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: hypes last episode.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, whatever that means. I don't even know what hype is,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 4: but hype the shit out of it.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: They masked me out, bro, they said, you can hype anymore.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we can't hype our own hypeness through Joe's Berner account.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: I vote both of them said, you can't hype anymore,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: You've hiped too much.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, So thank you guys. I hope that was interesting.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: We have a great questions and comments in the show.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: We appreciate it. I think we were up over fifty
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 4: people here live at one point. I'm still kicking it
• 1:27:44
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• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: all over the place. We'd appreciate it. And uh, check
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: out Monkey Morales if you enjoyed the interview. The book
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 4: is great, Joe's got it, and who knows when might
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: do a book review on it here soon. You never know,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: you never know, you never know.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: But I think his dad represents a lot of what
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: the Cuban exiles we study ended up doing and and
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: their lives. There's a lot of similarities.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: So yep, all right, Joe, grab the damn dog. Let
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: me call Dino over here, Dino one of yours in here, sir,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: bring your people, it's me all damn.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: She's not coming. She's smart.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: All right, we'll just answer without it. The greatest lies
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: are told in the name of truth, the greatest crimes
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 4: are committed in the name of justice.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: The quotation is Jim Garrison's.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: If we love you folks, I see you soon on
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: the book review and next Wednesday night on the members
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: only and next Friday back on the lab.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, thank you everyone for joining in. We love you all,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: and yeah, we will definitely see us soon.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: Until then, peace,