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Gustaf Broman Tried to Cross the Atlantic in a Canoe . . . Or Did He? · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: Yea, how often have you wondered what exactly is a
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  Speaker 1: milkshake duck? Welcome to the show, fellow ridiculous historians. And
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  Speaker 1: by the time this episode is over, you will know
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  Speaker 1: what a milkshake duck is. But I don't think we
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  Speaker 1: should spoil it just yet, you know, I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: I just learned it myself, Ben. Apparently it's part of
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  Speaker 1: his eyed guys, it's a very very current creation. And
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  Speaker 1: your noll, that's me. We are not milkshake ducks ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so. Neither of one would hope. Neither
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  Speaker 1: of course, is super producer Casey Pegram. When we were
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  Speaker 1: bandying this story about at first, I was a little
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  Speaker 1: concerned that it might be and I pitched part of this.
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  Speaker 1: I was a little concerned that it might be too
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  Speaker 1: close thematically to some things we had done fairly recently,
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  Speaker 1: like the one where the guy tried to start an
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  Speaker 1: island nation. Similar similar, similar, Um, Sorry, I have the
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  Speaker 1: tune to dark wing Ducks stuck in my head. But
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  Speaker 1: it's milkshake duck, shake duck. Let's get dangerous exactly. So
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  Speaker 1: our story begins with a fellow named Gustaff Bromancus, I
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  Speaker 1: like to call him Broman. So Gustaf Broman makes big news.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know a ton about his maybe his early life,
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  Speaker 1: but we do know when he popped in the eyes
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  Speaker 1: of the media, and that was in eighteen nine. He
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  Speaker 1: made a pretty astonishing and ambitious claim. He did. He claimed,
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  Speaker 1: or dare I say? He announced unequivocally that he would
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  Speaker 1: sail a thirteen foot long boat made from a cedar
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  Speaker 1: log across the Atlantic Ocean. This is big news, my friend,
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  Speaker 1: big popping news. He decreed it feeding frenzy. And remember,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the late eighteen hundreds, this is a time
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  Speaker 1: when these sorts of stunts are tremendously popular. Right, So
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  Speaker 1: he would ride this log, which he called the Gustaf
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  Speaker 1: Adolph the Second in honor, of course, the King of Sweden. Right,
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  Speaker 1: what else would you name a canoe? But here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: His plan seemed pretty ridiculous just just from the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: So here here's how he pitched his decree. He said,
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  Speaker 1: I am going to sail across the Atlantic in this
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  Speaker 1: amazing boat I've made from a cedar log. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: start in cous Bay, Oregon, which was then known as Marshfield,
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  Speaker 1: and then I'm going to sail down the coast to
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  Speaker 1: San Francisco. Notice the Atlantic is nowhere in the picture
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  Speaker 1: here yet. And then he says, then I'm gonna hop
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  Speaker 1: on a train with the boat and take the train
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  Speaker 1: across the country to New York. So he's got a
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  Speaker 1: thirteen footboat. How how is he transporting this thing? He's like,
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  Speaker 1: he's he's got a shipping container. He's taking it on
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  Speaker 1: the he's hitting the rails with it. So this this idea,
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  Speaker 1: it seems seems pretty weird, Like why wouldn't you just
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  Speaker 1: start in New York? Right? Yeah, it's almost as though
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  Speaker 1: he's got ulterior motives ben almost And this is where
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  Speaker 1: we learned a really weird phrase or a phrase that
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  Speaker 1: was unfamiliar to us. Do you remember that quote that
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  Speaker 1: was published about Gustav's journey, which said, I arrangement can
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  Speaker 1: be made with the old land railroads. Upon his arrival
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  Speaker 1: in San Francisco, he will place machinery in his boat
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  Speaker 1: or put around wheels, and by the use of napta
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  Speaker 1: or electricity around her, direct to New York by rail
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  Speaker 1: and then prepare for a trans atlantic voyage. I'm sorry, naptha, right,
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  Speaker 1: So what the heck is naptha. At first I was
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  Speaker 1: confused because there's a brand of laundry soap called Fell's Naptha,
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  Speaker 1: which is used for treating stains. But naptha is a
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  Speaker 1: flammable liquid hydrocarbon mixture. So it's it's like a fuel. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's a fuel, natural gas, petroleum distillates, distillation, cold tar,
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  Speaker 1: and pete, and in different areas and regions in different times,
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  Speaker 1: it could also just be a word for crude oil
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  Speaker 1: or refined products like kerosene. So let's amend this. On
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  Speaker 1: my part, he was riding the rails, but he was
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  Speaker 1: going to make his boat into a miniature train car
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  Speaker 1: that was part of his stick, so it would actually
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  Speaker 1: ride the rails itself on wheels. Yeah, I'd like to
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  Speaker 1: see that people have done that. There's a have some
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  Speaker 1: car stuff episodes in the back about like a rocket
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  Speaker 1: sled on rails and things of that nature. But what
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  Speaker 1: happened next? How did he get all this? How did
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  Speaker 1: he accomplish all these amazing things? Well, then he didn't.
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  Speaker 1: My and he just didn't. It was what they call
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  Speaker 1: a fool's Errand it was almost as though, no, it
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  Speaker 1: was as though he never really intended on having success
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  Speaker 1: any of these because you, like you said earlier, it
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  Speaker 1: seems a little like he's going around is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: something to get to something else, right, And uh, why
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  Speaker 1: do it this way? It just seems utterly wrong headed.
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  Speaker 1: And it was, and he had no intention of completing
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  Speaker 1: this mission right. Four thousand people reportedly came to watch
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  Speaker 1: him attempt to sail down the coast again into San Francisco. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: His ship, which was pretty impractical, was immediately blown into
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  Speaker 1: a sand bar far enough from sure that nobody could
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  Speaker 1: get close enough to ask him what was going on.
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  Speaker 1: And he just kind of hung out there for a while.
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  Speaker 1: He was out of reach, he was out of reach
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  Speaker 1: from any assistance. And then finally, luckily the tides were
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  Speaker 1: on his side and they kind of got him moving again.
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  Speaker 1: The tides got him moving again, and on March four
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  Speaker 1: teenth of he arrived in San Francisco aboard the steamer Arcada.
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  Speaker 1: Not on not on the Gustaf Adolph. No, it was
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  Speaker 1: in the cargo. Really, Yeah, why, I don't know, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. It's it's a little it's a little suspicious.
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  Speaker 1: So the l A Times reported that the captain of
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  Speaker 1: the steamer had taken Gustaf Roman aboard to prevent him
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  Speaker 1: from drowning as his boat capsized over and over and
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  Speaker 1: over again. We're getting some of this info from a
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  Speaker 1: fantastic article on slate dot com called Meet Gustav Broman,
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  Speaker 1: the nineteenth century man who attempted to cross the Atlantic
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  Speaker 1: in a log boat by Matthew Decim And there's some
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  Speaker 1: great exerts from reporting from the time, And there's a
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  Speaker 1: really good ape he have mine, We're gonna get do
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  Speaker 1: in a little bit. That just makes me fills me
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  Speaker 1: with with joy. But here's a little exert from the
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  Speaker 1: San Francisco call peace. Um, they were not feeling Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Broman's boat situation or his what do you call somebody
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  Speaker 1: that makes boat boat a shipwright? A shipwrights? Is that
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  Speaker 1: what it is? A shipwright? Between a ship and a boat.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's the good question. I would say, this is
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  Speaker 1: more of a boat. Yeah, well, let's give him some cred.
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  Speaker 1: Let's come a boat, right, a boat right? Um. They
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  Speaker 1: took issue with his boat right teeing skills and had
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  Speaker 1: this to say, the craft fitted with contrivances never before
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  Speaker 1: seen on land or sea, and having more depth than
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  Speaker 1: beam is about as safe for passenger services a bailiff. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: they said, they laughed. Not content with the natural crankiness.
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  Speaker 1: Consequent upon its unshiplike construction, the architect has riveted brass
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  Speaker 1: chain plates and other articles to the rail and deck absurd,
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  Speaker 1: which further raises her center of gravity, making her an
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  Speaker 1: elegant and graceful capsizer. If it is safe to say
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  Speaker 1: that the bold navigator will navigate his uncanny and an
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  Speaker 1: interesting craft into some fake museum, they are really giving
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  Speaker 1: it to him here, and it would be proven that
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  Speaker 1: she was designed not for ocean travel but for the
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  Speaker 1: midway nickel trade. And they had a good laugh. So
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  Speaker 1: you ad libbed a lot of that. But I really
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  Speaker 1: appreciate how you were going from Matt Barry at the
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  Speaker 1: beginning to think, yeah, um, that's a true description, Like
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  Speaker 1: that's that's we have to emphasize that. You can you
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  Speaker 1: can feel the snark on the San Francisco call, but
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  Speaker 1: everything they're saying about this log boat is absolutely accurate.
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  Speaker 1: It's just more tickled by the very haughty, taughty nature
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  Speaker 1: of the sick burns. Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, that's what
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  Speaker 1: I mean, That's what I'm saying, Like snarky, and they
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  Speaker 1: have that one line in the end from that excerpt
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  Speaker 1: says she was designed not for ocean travel, but for
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  Speaker 1: the midway nickel trade. And they were right that this
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  Speaker 1: boat seemed designed for something else, but they didn't know
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  Speaker 1: what the actual scheme was. You see, Goostaf Broman again
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  Speaker 1: his real name, as far as we know, was sort
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  Speaker 1: of already a celebrity, just not eboting circles. He was
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  Speaker 1: a celebrity to law enforcement. Police across California knew about
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  Speaker 1: this guy. And as soon as his boat made the
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  Speaker 1: news is what is his elegant capsizing boat? Law enforcement
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  Speaker 1: contacted reporters and gave them the hitherto unknown full details
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  Speaker 1: of Broman's life story. And this is where it gets
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  Speaker 1: stranger and stranger. We mentioned that earlier ap wire headline,
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  Speaker 1: which is which is beautiful a Russian Finn. He is
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  Speaker 1: a funny kind of finny cussus finny cuss, but there
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  Speaker 1: is a method in his cussedness, for with all his
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  Speaker 1: evil doings, he always comes out on top. So this
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  Speaker 1: is where we learned about gooseta Off Broman and his
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  Speaker 1: rap sheet that was like a mile off. Yeah yeah, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: So so you want to walk through some of these examples. Boy, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: a funny kind of finny cuss. Indeed, so apparently he
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  Speaker 1: was known all over California for running a series of
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  Speaker 1: varying degrees of bonkers scams. And I'm laughing, But like
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  Speaker 1: one of them, particular, is really cold blooded, right, Ben, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: one is definitely not. It'll look. We are often tempted
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  Speaker 1: to paint hilarious cartoonish con artists as what they are,
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  Speaker 1: you know, buffoons, but we have to remember that a
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  Speaker 1: lot of these people are cold blooded, right, So this
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  Speaker 1: is a reptilian thing. Gustav Broman makes his law enforcement
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  Speaker 1: debut in San Pedro, Los Angeles County. He is arrested
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  Speaker 1: for or he had a hotel keeper arrested for robbing
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  Speaker 1: him a hundred dollars. But then and later in court,
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  Speaker 1: it was proved there was nothing more than a blackmailing
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  Speaker 1: scheme that Broman had come up with to try to
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  Speaker 1: extort money from the hotel. Uh. He ended up getting
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  Speaker 1: caught essentially sleeping around with several women and citizens when
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  Speaker 1: they found out about his deceptive nature, literally tarred and
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  Speaker 1: feathered him and drove him out of town. People really
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  Speaker 1: did that Yeah, people did that. That's amazing. So not
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  Speaker 1: only was he a cuss, he was also a leech. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: he was both a cuss and electris cuss, a lectris
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  Speaker 1: cuss or a custard letch right, a cuss rous letch. No,
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  Speaker 1: we're just churchifying words at this point. But I like,
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  Speaker 1: I like cuss rus. It's like a filthy susceros. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So so this this, although it may sound endearing because
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  Speaker 1: there's that instant karma that hits him. Uh, this doesn't
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  Speaker 1: really illustrate the true nature of this guy's behavior. The
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  Speaker 1: real reptilian stuff occurs in Santa Cruz, where he and
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  Speaker 1: his brother lived in what was described as a shanty. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and there's a some outdated language in this one. The
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  Speaker 1: ap refers to his brother as an imbecile, which today
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  Speaker 1: would obviously be considered a pretty nasty pejorative. At the
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  Speaker 1: time was like, it was actually a medical diagnosis. I believe, right,
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  Speaker 1: it is correct for somebody with developmental disabilities have a
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  Speaker 1: fair way of uh saying him, that's a very fair
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  Speaker 1: way of putting. It comes from the Latin word imbecillas,
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  Speaker 1: meaning weak or weak minded, and at the time it
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  Speaker 1: included people at NIQ between twenty six and fifty according
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  Speaker 1: to the testing methods they used. It's right, and I
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  Speaker 1: believe there was even a time where people that were
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  Speaker 1: categorized as that were sterilized. There was forced sterilization of
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  Speaker 1: folks that were classified as being of lower i Q.
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  Speaker 1: It was a whole thing. Yeah, And if you have
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  Speaker 1: the morbid interest in this, we can break it down
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  Speaker 1: for you. At the time when people use this, uh,
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  Speaker 1: this sort of terminology as a description of cognitive ability,
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  Speaker 1: because they saw imbecile was in between idiot and moron.
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  Speaker 1: So an idiot was n Q of zero to twenty five,
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  Speaker 1: imbecile fifty, and moron was fifty one to seventy. So
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  Speaker 1: these were these pejoratives have very specific meanings, yeah, for sure. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And again they were more or less like d S,
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  Speaker 1: M level UM diagnoses or you know terms anyway. Um.
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  Speaker 1: So Gustav's brother was in that was that in the
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  Speaker 1: middle category of what you discussion. So he was certainly
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  Speaker 1: not someone that could fully take care of himself, and
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  Speaker 1: his brother really took advantage of that and in the
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  Speaker 1: most ungodly awful way you could possibly imagine. Yes, he
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  Speaker 1: committed he quite possibly we have to say that he
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  Speaker 1: quite possibly committed fratricide. He took out two insurance policies
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  Speaker 1: on his brother's life, one four or five thousand dollars
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  Speaker 1: and the other four three thousand dollars. And let's let's
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  Speaker 1: go to a handy inflation calculator here, just to see
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  Speaker 1: how much money that actually was. All right, casey, if
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  Speaker 1: we could have that handy dandy inflation calculator, sound que please,
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  Speaker 1: so people know it's working and we're not just making
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  Speaker 1: this up hand perfect three thousand dollars in the eighteen
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  Speaker 1: nineties would equal a little bit more than eighty six
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars, and five thousand dollars would equal around one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and forty three thousand dollars, almost one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: forty four thousand. So these were significant amounts of money.
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  Speaker 1: And took these two insurance policies out on his brother's life.
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  Speaker 1: And then what happened not a month later, Yeah, the
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  Speaker 1: shanty burned to the ground with the brother inside, and
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  Speaker 1: he was also burned to the ground. The insurance companies
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  Speaker 1: say this is sketchy. Yeah, of course it was. It's
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  Speaker 1: never it's it's always a red flag when you take
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  Speaker 1: an insurance policy on someone. Then a month later they
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  Speaker 1: die in a tragic accident. That's that's not a good
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  Speaker 1: look for And so the insurance companies say, we're not
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  Speaker 1: gonna pay. This is ridiculous. The cops arrest Broman and
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  Speaker 1: he has charged with arson and murder, and it does
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  Speaker 1: go to trial. Yeah, and um, there's a woman at
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  Speaker 1: the trial who, um really reads him the Riot Act
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  Speaker 1: and gives a very strongly worded testimony against him. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but he received a new trial and she kind of
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  Speaker 1: changed her tune a little bit, almost as though she
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  Speaker 1: were coerced or arm twisted in some way. Ben, is
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  Speaker 1: that is that what you're thinking? Or turned? You know,
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  Speaker 1: you can flip is what they call it in the mob,
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  Speaker 1: right right, Nobody ever went broke betting on other people's
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  Speaker 1: moral failings, you know what I mean. So he was discharged,
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  Speaker 1: he got the insurance money, and then afterwards they learned
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  Speaker 1: that the changed her testimony because he had promised to
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  Speaker 1: give her a large a large lumpus scratch a piece, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: a big if she would not testify against him on
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  Speaker 1: that when that second go round, and then he I
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  Speaker 1: guess maybe he cleaned up his act a little bit
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  Speaker 1: null because he moved to San Francisco and decided he
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  Speaker 1: was going to be a decent man. He was. He
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  Speaker 1: was a wealthy man at this point, right, he got
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  Speaker 1: those uh, those insurance pay that's true. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, it wasn't it wasn't like a millionaire money,
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  Speaker 1: but enough to start a new life in new in
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  Speaker 1: a new town, sure at that time. Yeah, So he
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  Speaker 1: met a nice lady. He met a nice, nice woman.
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  Speaker 1: She was named you will hear alternately described as Mrs
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  Speaker 1: Lee Roy or simply Mrs Roy. She was both a
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  Speaker 1: widow and wealthy, the old Mary, the wealthy widow scam
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  Speaker 1: on to one W W, which is the origin of
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  Speaker 1: the I R S tax form, the W two. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: is that true? Probably? Maybe? Okay, I'm going to choose
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  Speaker 1: to believe that because that's what I do. So what happened,
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  Speaker 1: what happened, Well, what happened was he uh, he put
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  Speaker 1: a ring on it on Mrs Leroy, a quite a big,
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  Speaker 1: big old rock, very valuable diamond ring. So things look
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  Speaker 1: to be, um, you know, optimistic trending towards perhaps a
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  Speaker 1: happy ending. If we want to believe in the inherent
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  Speaker 1: goodness of all people. You mean the idea that people change,
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  Speaker 1: that people can change for the better. Right, what is
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  Speaker 1: it you always say, Ben, people don't really change that
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  Speaker 1: it's become more people. We say people change, and that's true,
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  Speaker 1: but it's a misnomer. As time goes on, we become
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  Speaker 1: more concentrated versions of ourselves. Yeah, it seems like it
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  Speaker 1: was happening with our boy, our boy Broman here. Possibly
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  Speaker 1: the police did not believe that he had turned over
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  Speaker 1: a new leaf. They had heard that Broman was back
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  Speaker 1: in town. They're like, we got our on you, Broman,
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  Speaker 1: because this is the time, this is the time in
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  Speaker 1: American history where you could actually have someone go into
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  Speaker 1: a town and then one of the towns people say,
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  Speaker 1: you got a lot of nerves showing your face around here,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I don't know if that
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  Speaker 1: still happens in the US anymore. It's probably where the
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  Speaker 1: expression get right out of town came from. We should
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  Speaker 1: bring that back. That's good. I like to use it
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  Speaker 1: from time to time, you know what, I think it fits.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's really well, you know, But I only
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  Speaker 1: use it in anger when I want someone to literally
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  Speaker 1: leave town forever. But I say it in kind of
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  Speaker 1: a funny way. So they're they're typically confused. They're probably
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  Speaker 1: getting mixed message, get right out of town, and then
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  Speaker 1: they go look and I'm like, no, go, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want you here. Well, I hope you don't have too
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  Speaker 1: many of those situations. Man, it sounds like real, real
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  Speaker 1: weird Larry David moment. And I am flushed with enemies. Sir,
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  Speaker 1: you're flushed with enemies. Well, then you might have something
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  Speaker 1: in common with Broman. I hope none of your enemies
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  Speaker 1: are in law enforcement. It they they say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we know what you're doing. You have a lot of
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  Speaker 1: noise coming back here, and we don't have anything on
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  Speaker 1: you yet, but we know how you operate, Gustav, so
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  Speaker 1: we strongly advise you to leave the state. Don't make
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  Speaker 1: this ugly. Yeah, you're right, then, he he was definitely
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  Speaker 1: flushed with enemies. It looks almost as though he never
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  Speaker 1: met a man or a woman, uh that he didn't
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  Speaker 1: turn into an enemy as it turns as As it
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  Speaker 1: turns out, the the woman from Santa Cruz, who herself
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  Speaker 1: not a particularly law abiding citizens, she flouted the law,
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  Speaker 1: flipped her testimony in exchange for ill gotten blood money.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: You know, from the cold blooded burning alive of a
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: person with a developmental disability. She was going to take
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: that money and run with it. Um. But hey, surprise, surprise,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: she got her instant karma too, and he didn't pay.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Could could have told her that was coming, not exactly
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: a sha balon. So she came a gun informed, didn't
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: she been? And he knew, he knew that the cops
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: are on the way. Uh. This, this angry person from
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Santa Cruz was threatening to kill him, and if she
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: really wanted to burn down the house, she could also
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: take him to jail for witness tampering, um, knowing that
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: she would get charged with perjury. So he took He
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: took the famous advice that so many sketchy people have received,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: were given to one another throughout the years, and he
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: high tailed it from Mexico. He went south of the border.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: He went down south to get out of the heat,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, wait for it to die down,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: and there he would remain ben for a year's time.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know why I'm talking like.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I think it's from the AP report that we read
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: in the old timey language. I'm just kind of like
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: lapsing into that a little bit, yes time, And there
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: he took his constitutional indeed, well the better part of
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: four seasons, yes time. And as the season has passed
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: and he dissipated, so b been salid fourth yet again
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: for These States United, mopping his brow against the heat
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: of the Mexican son. Yes, yes, And so he returned
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: to California. He was next heard of in Sacramento, Sacramento,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: which is the state capital of California. There we go,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: can we get a correct answer game show? That's perfect?
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: How about? How about? How about can I get a
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: little round of applause? Do a little pat on the back?
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Sound it? Now? It's fine, do any of that stuff, thanks, Casey.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: So Broman has returned, and he's been living in Sacramento.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: He had been visiting the house of a woman whose
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: last name was Brown, and he went to the chief
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: of police with a story, and he said, look, I
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: know we have a history, but I am coming to
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: you as a victim. Chief. I've been robbed. I've been
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: robbed of eight grand You gotta help me, Yeah, eight
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: big ones and some other colloquialisms for a thousand dollars
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: eight uh oh. In some writing. It would be a myle,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't make sense spoken. Yeah, uh, acre, we
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: could make some up. Um similinas there you go. Yeah,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: isn't similina the stuff that's in pasta? Yeah, there's also
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: similina flower. Yeah, that's why. That's that's what it is.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: That's the flower that's that makes the pasta. Let's we
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: should keep going. I have a question for you. Yes,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: what's the point of different pasta shapes? Oh? Some of
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: them hold sauces better in different ways, because it's really
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: it's like surface area. I've always been wondering that. Thank you, man,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: that's what I That's what I heard. I'm also just
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: making this up, and I want to come clean with everybody.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know if W two stands for wealthy widow. Um,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: right to your local I R S Agent and ask them. Yeah,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: they'll they'll they'll be they'll get right back to you,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I'm sure, and tell them we tell them, tell them
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: it's a matter of national security. Man, we're really we're
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: really dog paddling on this one, are we been? Well? Wait? Wait,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: got Broman? Broman though this is an interesting turn, right.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: He goes to the cops. He of all people, what
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: why would he do that? Because he said he got
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: robbed of eight Semlino's large But this man's on the
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Belo list at every sheriff's office from Tijuana to San Louis, episbo.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: It's speaking of like different times. Not only to do
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: the officers agreed to investigate this house with him, but
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: they let him come along as they execute the search warrant.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: That's not done. That's not normal. Now, I couldn't do that.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think they would do that. It was a
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: different time. It was a different time. So what happens
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: when they go in there, Well, the detectives searched detectives, officers,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to call him. They they searched the
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: premises and they found twenty bucks in gold, which it's
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: it's kind of a lot if you do the inflation thing.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: What's that about? Two d bucks? Just I'm just don't
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: just spit ball in it here. You want to do
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: it for real? Oh yeah, let's do it for real
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: and not so twenty dollars in again around the eight
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: nineties would be five hundred and seventy five dollars six cents. Okay,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: So so you know a decent little hall um, and
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: he roman told them that he this was something he
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: did because he's like, he's like the crazy old lady
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: that keeps all our money in a mattress, only he
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: keeps his under the carpet or h didn't beneath the
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: floorboards because of experience. Right, well, he'd been robbed. I
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: wonder why, he said, Oh see, you believe me now,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I got robbed once before, and since then, I always
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: mocked my coin, meaning what like like he writes his
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: name on it, like he maybe puts a specific scratch
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: on it so you can see that I got dimsies
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: that those are mine, which I hate touching change so much.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Would you consider a gold piece change though? I would
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: probably have to just suck it up. Didn't touch it,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: put it in your mouth? No, no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. If well, uh no, he told the officer
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: to look behind the mirror, and then the officer found
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: a diamond ring. The police said, okay, wait, started interpt.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Did he have to tell the officers this is definitely
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: my coin because this is what the marketing looks like. Yeah,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: he did that, Okay, I'm with you. Now I'm back
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: I'm back in it because that proved he was associated, right,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: But the police, for some reason still did not believe
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: he was on the up and up, and they said,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: you know what, I think he's I don't know what
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: he's getting up to, but he's up to something. By gum,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, did he really think he was gonna like
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: bamboozle some actual police officers to help him rob somebody's house.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Doesn't that seem kind of seem like what's going on here?
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: So he's a real bold fellawist whom so an officer
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: came from Sacramento to obtain his record at the at
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: the request of at request of the police. And remember
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Mrs Lee Roy or Mrs Roy the widow on Vallejo Street,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: she gets subpoenaed. She didn't ask for any of this,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Ben not. She's just a wealthy widow caught miss Man's crossfire.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: You know, it's not right, it's not right. So it
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: turns out Broman had the widow arrested for stealing the
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: diamond ring that he gave her. I'm sorry all classes
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: adding insult to injury with what a D what a
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: giant D. Yeah, And the judge was like, lady you know,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: this is this is this is tough. This is tough
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: all around. You should Roman arrested for perjury, so you know,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: she swore out a warrant, but apparently it was never
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: solved and the case in Sacramento was dismissed. Back to
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: the top of the story, I'm a little confused about
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: what he had to gain from this whole log jam
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: in situation. Ah, there's an answer, there's an answer. Okay.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: So I was confused too, because it was like, I
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: don't quite his schemes seem to become more and more ridiculous,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: you know, increasingly circuitous. I always mocked my coin, my
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: cod I p on all of them. Right, it's a
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: it's it's very strange. It's like Tommy Wizo and the spoons,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: you know. But here is the theory. The theory comes
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: from a guy named Detective Anthony, who was one of
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: the many law enforcement officials familiar with Broman's escapades. This
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: detective believes that Broman had purposely made a terribly, terribly
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: substandard boat because he wanted it to look like the
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: kind of thing that would easily sink, because he was
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: planning on the boat to be found bottom up in
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: some beach, and uh, he was going to essentially commit
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: pseudo side our favorite if the word for faking one's death.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Detective Anthony specifically says Broman will probably have his life
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: ensured for a big sum and after the boat has found,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: a confederate will apply for the insurance money and he
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: and Broman will share it at his my belief from
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: my knowledge of this man. Question, sorry, I keep asking,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: it's important. Why do this so conspicuously? Why make a
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: big show of it so he can have aunch of
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: witnesses that makes no sense, witnesses to his sad demise. Okay,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I guess that makes a lot. So it's like, oh, uh,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: four thousand people really did see him do it, And
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: now now we see why he was going to sail
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: down the coast to San Francisco first, and it made
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: up this cockamami story about what he was going to
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: do by turning his boat into a rail car. He
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: had no intention of doing that. He wanted somewhere but
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: tween uh Marshfield and San Francisco for his boat. He
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: wanted to disappear and have his boat wash up on
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: a remote area. You gotta give this guy at least
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: a little bit of credit for his massive massive that's
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: just so so massive. That's probably what kept capsizing the boat,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: quite possibly, quite possibly. So, how does Detective Anthony's theory
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: measure up up? It measures measures what happened? What happened? Well, yeah,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: he had a fifteen thousand dollars in life insurance policy
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: that he took out on himself from the United States
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Accident Insurance Association. When when, when up, upon discovering this
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: whole scheme, promptly canceled his policy. Probably good business move
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: to do that. Surely this guy's reputation for insurance fraud
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: or at least his like. Because here's the thing, even
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: when you get paid out for insurre en policies, doesn't
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: that make it harder to get insured again? I guess
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: he insured his brother before though, But what a series
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: of red flags? You think? Well, that's the that's the
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: tough thing. Um. There's a great book called Playing Dead
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: which details the ways in which people can attempt to
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: fake their deaths. And the thing that gets most people
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: caught is when they attempt to receive some kind of
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: money from an insurance agency or a will. Because to
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: do that you have to have someone you can trust
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: who is able to collect for you, and they don't
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: really have any compelling reason to hold up their side
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: of the bargain, you know what I mean. It's also very,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: very difficult to fake your death. Just in case you're wondering,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: what can I, in this modern age do to make
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: my life more interesting, don't try to. Don't try to
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: fake your death. So that maybe a lieu of a
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: comic book recommendation, we could just do a book recommendation.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: You read books playing dead. I read a Plaine Dead,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: A Journey through the World of Death Fraud by Elizabeth Greenwood.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Weren't we going to maybe have an opportunity to interview
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: miss Greenwood? We did? We did stuff they don't want
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: you to know. Huh yeah, never quite happened. It was
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: that was that was our fault. I think I think
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: we were the ones who dropped the ball. And now
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: it's like sort of like forgetting someone's name and then
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: knowing them for years and then having to find it.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: It's too late. You can't ask them any We can
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: follow I can follow up with the email thread from
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I have an idea, what's your idea? Let's do it
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: for this show like a fresh start. There we go,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: and let's pretend to be different people about that. What's
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: your what's your alter ego of choice lately? Oh man,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it. On nex Powers astronaut
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: with a secret, that's a go to Yeah, nex powers
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: a secret. My mine is Neil Braun, Neil Braun Braun.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: There we go. I'm a I'm a German attache. Nice,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: I like it, or maybe i'll be Swedish. Nice, nice,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: well done. I have been using the alias Casey Pegram
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: for quite some time, and I'm sorry about that. Casey.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I did have to stop. I don't know which one
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: of us it was, but the the heat got pretty
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: bad at jfk. Oh boy, Yeah, you've sullied my good name.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I think you sullied my fantastic alias Casey. Or maybe
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: there's a third Casey Pegram out there. There is, I've
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: seen him on Google. What Yeah, oh that's the one.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Then I was just having fun at a at an Applebee's.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Do you like Applebe's too? Ah? Yeah, you know, I'll
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: go to a Applebee's. What's their signature appetizer? Chicken? Crispers chicken? Yes,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: some kind of chicken thing. We have to ask Paul.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Paul deck in Mission controlled decand is a huge fan
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: of the Applebee's because apparently when you're there your family, No,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: that's olive guards. What are you at Applebee's. It's your
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: friendly neighborhood grill. There you go, there you go. And
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: by the way, I love the Monzarelli sticks. Monzrelli sticks
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: are usually you can't really mess up Monzarelli sticks. I've
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: seen it happen. It's not it can happen, they've but
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: they do a good job of it over at the Bees.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: You like their at the Bees. So what you're saying
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: is they have a nice crispy exterior and a nice soft,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: gooey into and they're not so hot that they burned
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: the roof of your mouth, and they're evenly cook and
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: are they are seasoned? Well, yeah, all the above. So
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: one time, this this has nothing to do with the
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: story of We're done right. We're basically now we're just
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: talking other chain restaurants. We're bringing some other restaurants. Well,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: I wanted this thing about Applebee's for a long time.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I thought Paul was just pretending to like it, But
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: he's serious. We were on a video shoot one day,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: and Casey, were you at that one? Absolutely? I was.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: So we were on a video shoot one day years back,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: and I think I was I was fuel producing or something.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I said, Okay, well we've we've wrapped this up. This
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: is a great shoot. It's time. It's time to grab lunch.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: And we jokingly suggested to Paul that there was an
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Applebee's nearby. He lost his mind and he had this
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: this shining almost no bowl childlike glee. I looked at
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: it more as the look of a madman. It's very similar,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: kind of eyes glazed over, weird. Rict just smile and
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: we went and I think his his joy, his jubilation
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: was contagious. So if you ever want to make Paul
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: deck and stay or apparently Casey pegroom's, then just uh,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: send us some send us some Applebee's tickets, is that
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: the right one? Gift cards or something good cards keep
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: and buy those that your friendly neighborhood Kroger, CVS even Yeah,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: or you could just leave us a review on your
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: podcast app of choice. Yeah, please do it, and don't
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: don't don't be too harsh on us for this little
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: rambling tangent of an ending of the episode. We don't
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: do it that often. I don't think we're having a
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: good time. We're at the very end of the year
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: and the end of our ropes. And there are so
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: many there are so many casual dining restaurants that we
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: didn't get to mention. What about bob Evans. Was that
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: the one that's that's like only in like Pennsylvania, maybe
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Canada and stuff. Yeah, they're us. Slogan is everybody is
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: somebody at bob Evans. Oh that's you know. The it's
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: also very like, yeah, it's we're all. We're all people.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: We're all here at bob Evans. Have some pancakes. It's
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: a mistakesistential. Yeah, we are. We are punchy as can
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: be today. I love it. The universe is chaotic and
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: meaningless at bob Evans. Bob Evans ben Um. We gotta
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: get out of Yeah, you know what, this is the No,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: it's not sure we're gonna record, so it's true. Yeah,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: this is the third. This is the Christmas episode. If
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: you want to plug that. Oh, Casey says, it's Christmas.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, very popular holidays, very popular holiday, uh, you know,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: celebrated by the religious and the secular alike, especially in
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: the US, especially in the U S. So um, happy holidays,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, whatever you want to call it. To you
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: and yours, hope you are having a wonderful time on
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: one more or a bit round the sun. And as
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: you look back onen, we hope you find it more
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: full of fond memories than unpleasant ones. We hope that you,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: regardless of your personal beliefs, get some get some quality
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: time in with your family. If you have that favorite
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: movie watch, or you have that favorite board game or
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: that family tradition, get together and play it. Yeah, Happy holidays, Uh,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: all the best from all of us to all of you.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Should all acquaintance be forgot on days of old Langston
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: lengths lengths sign Gustaf Roman. There you go, oh oh,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: before we go this is we had to actually travel
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: back in time. We actually never even explained what the
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: milk shaped duck was. Right to make this correction because uh,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: and that was I had explicitly promised that it was
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: the first sentence of the show of So to explain
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: what a milkshakeed duck is, we have to give a
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: shout out to a winter feed called a very pixelated
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: boat Christmas and this No Noel, you said you had
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: never heard of this before. Now I only heard of
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: it like the other day. Super producer Casey Pegram turned
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: me onto it, and I think you know what, Casey,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: if you're okay with it, could you read the tweet
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: that gave us the phrase milkshake duck. Yeah. So this
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: is a tweet originally tweeted out June twelve, and it
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: has already kind of entered the Internet lexicon as like
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: shorthand for this phenomenon. So it says, the whole Internet
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: loves milkshake duck, a lovely duck that drinks milkshakes. Five
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: seconds later, we regret to inform you the duck is racist.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: So Gustaf Broman in that case, in this sense, is
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: a milkshake duck because he was, for a very brief time,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: this American hero