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Hell and Gone Murder Line: Jarrod Green Part 2 · Hell and Gone: Murder Line

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Speaker 1: School of Humans.
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Speaker 2: On the last episode of Helen Gone Murder Line, I
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Speaker 2: discussed the case of Jared Green, a twenty year old
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Speaker 2: young man who went missing from Sarcy, Arkansas, on September thirtieth,
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four. We talked to Jared's sister, Shannon, who's
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Speaker 2: been fighting to get justice for her brother for almost
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Speaker 2: thirty years. She told me the pain that she and
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Speaker 2: her parents had gone through when they discovered that Jared
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Speaker 2: had developed a drug habit, and as he began to
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Speaker 2: descend further and further into methamphetamine addiction, he started hanging
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Speaker 2: out more and more with Brandon Wheeler and Robert Webb,
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Speaker 2: two guys he knew from high school. According to police,
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Speaker 2: Brandon and Robert were involved in drug dealing. They'd given
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Speaker 2: Jared a large quantity of meth Somehow, he ended up
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Speaker 2: owing Brandon and Robert a lot of money, somewhere between
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Speaker 2: seventy five hundred and eight thousand dollars. On September thirtieth,
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Speaker 2: Jared left home and met a friend at the Sarcey
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Speaker 2: Country Club. This friend told police that Jared got a
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Speaker 2: gun back from him and that he was scared that
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Speaker 2: night that he planned to meet with Brandon Wheeler and
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Speaker 2: smooth things over regarding this debt. After that night, Jared
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Speaker 2: Green disappeared. His abandoned car was found a few days
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Speaker 2: later at a Walmart supercenter. The keys were underneath the
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Speaker 2: front seat, the windows were rolled down. Jared Green's family
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Speaker 2: has never seen him since that day. It's been almost
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Speaker 2: thirty years, and Jared Green's family wants answers and justice.
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Speaker 2: I'm Catherine Townsend. Over the past five years of making
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Speaker 2: four four, six one four or five. Just a few
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Speaker 2: weeks after Jared Green went missing, police find out the
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Speaker 2: people he allegedly owed money to, Brandon Wheeler and Robert Webb,
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Speaker 2: have left town and that their rental house is caught
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Speaker 2: on fire. Fortunately the fire did not burn down the
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Speaker 2: entire house, but police later said that it looked like
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Speaker 2: someone poured accelerant in the garage. Clearly this seemed like arson,
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Speaker 2: but no charges were ever filed. Now police were trying
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Speaker 2: to track down Brandon Wheeler and Robert Webb, they talked
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Speaker 2: to another neighbor, a woman named Shelby Watson, who lived
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Speaker 2: next door to the house Brandon and Robert had been renting.
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Speaker 2: Shelby said she was in her late teens at the time.
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Speaker 2: She lived with her parents, and she started hanging out
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Speaker 2: at the guy's residence in August. Not surprisingly, because these
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Speaker 2: guys always had money and drugs, it seemed to have
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Speaker 2: become kind of a neighborhood party house. While she was
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Speaker 2: hanging out there, Shelby said she met a guy who
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Speaker 2: called himself Felix, and again, figuring out who these people
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Speaker 2: really are, who Felix really was, is part of the mystery.
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Speaker 2: Shelby said she and Felix kind of hit it off,
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Speaker 2: they became friends, but then, she said, in late September,
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Speaker 2: Felix disappeared. He had told her he lived in Tennessee,
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Speaker 2: so Shelby thought maybe he was moving back there. She
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Speaker 2: said that she got worried. She told police that Felix
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Speaker 2: owed Brandon something like ten thousand dollars, but unlike Jared Green,
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Speaker 2: Felix reappeared. When she asked him about the money, he said, basically,
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Speaker 2: don't worry about it, I've already paid it back. Shortly
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Speaker 2: after that, though, she said, Felix disappeared for good and
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Speaker 2: she never saw him after that. So what we have
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Speaker 2: are a lot of people dropping in and out of
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Speaker 2: that house, a lot of people who potentially owe Brandon
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Speaker 2: and Robert a lot of money, and who seemed to
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Speaker 2: mysteriously disappear. But police did reveal in the investigative file
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Speaker 2: that they have figured out Felix's real name, Barren Stafford. Honestly,
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Speaker 2: as an investigator, I know, as other listeners of this
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Speaker 2: podcast know, that I've had my problems with law enforcement
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Speaker 2: in the past. But the frustrating part is that the
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Speaker 2: bad police officers out there really make the job of
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Speaker 2: the good police officers, the ones who diligently are working
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Speaker 2: for justice, so much harder. And there was an investigator
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Speaker 2: in this case named Tim Webb. Looking back at his work,
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Speaker 2: at least the written notes it seems like he was
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Speaker 2: trying to track these people down. Tim Webb wanted to
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Speaker 2: find Baron Stafford, the guy who had been known as Felix.
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Speaker 2: He said that he tried all the phone numbers that
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Speaker 2: he had for Baron Stafford but got no response. Then
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Speaker 2: he said he talked to Baron's brother, who told them
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Speaker 2: Baron was out of town and that Baron was not
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Speaker 2: coming back to Sercy. So now you have Brandon and
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Speaker 2: Robert who had both vanished without a trace, without police
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Speaker 2: ever talking to them, and now Baron Stafford was gone too.
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Speaker 2: And the reason that he wanted to find him was
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Speaker 2: because Tim Webb looked through the phone records for Brandon
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Speaker 2: and Robert's landline and he saw a lot of calls
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Speaker 2: between their rental house in North Little Rock and Baron
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Speaker 2: Stafford's house. In fact, the last call from Baron Stafford's
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Speaker 2: residence to Robert and Brandon's house was on October fourth,
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four, at ten thirty am. The calls continued
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Speaker 2: between Brandon and Robert to a residence in Nashville, Tennessee.
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Speaker 2: From reading through these notes, it seems like Tim Webb
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Speaker 2: developed a theory that Baron Stafford had gone to Nashville
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Speaker 2: and that he was staying with family there. This could
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Speaker 2: have been crucial because Tennessee was also somewhere where Jared
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Speaker 2: had gone in the past and mentioned to his family
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Speaker 2: that he could be going. In December, Tim Webb got
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Speaker 2: in touch with Metro Nashville Police. He asked for help
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Speaker 2: figuring out the location of his telephone number that Brandon
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Speaker 2: and Robert had been calling, and he did his due diligence.
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Speaker 2: He also called the phone company. Both the phone company
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Speaker 2: and Nashville Police confirmed that there was a phone number
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Speaker 2: on Berwick Trail in Nashville, Tennessee. They found the woman
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Speaker 2: that this phone belonged to. They identified or as a
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Speaker 2: woman named Sherry Dotson. And this is just another heartbreak
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Speaker 2: in my opinion, because Tim Webb asked for permission to
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Speaker 2: go to Nashville. He wanted to do surveillance on that house.
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Speaker 2: He wanted to see if Baron Stafford was at that
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Speaker 2: residence in Nashville. But his bosses told him basically to
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Speaker 2: forget it and to request that the Nashville Police Department
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Speaker 2: sent someone over, and the Nashville police seemed to kind
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Speaker 2: of blow Tim Webb off. I'm not blaming them. They
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Speaker 2: were really busy. I know that there's investigative red tape
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Speaker 2: people have to go through and administrative procedure, but it
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Speaker 2: seems crazy that for the sake of a five hour
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Speaker 2: drive they could not just let this officer, who clearly
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Speaker 2: cared about the case, ride over to Nashville and check
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Speaker 2: out this residence. This also, by the way, seems like
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Speaker 2: one of these cases where if someone like me or
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Speaker 2: another licensed private investigator was allowed to help police, perhaps
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Speaker 2: they could fill in some of those gaps. Unfortunately, Tim
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Speaker 2: Webbs seemed to hit a dead end. In the investigative notes,
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Speaker 2: police stated they did figure out that Robert Webb and
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Speaker 2: Brandon Wheeler were dealing large quantities of methamphetamine in Sirce
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Speaker 2: and White Counties. They said that an Arkansas State Police
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Speaker 2: investigator had actually tried to make a deal with Brandon
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Speaker 2: and Robert to try to make them confidential informants, but
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Speaker 2: it hadn't worked out. From Tim Webb's notes, it seems
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Speaker 2: like he was very frustrated that he could not go
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Speaker 2: to Nashville, that he got stonewalled, and that nothing happened.
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Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety five, Tim Webb tried again there's a
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Speaker 2: handwritten note in the case file saying, quote, on eight
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Speaker 2: three ninety five, I met with Chief Thomas in reference
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Speaker 2: to the information. I had to express my views on
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Speaker 2: follow up investigations, which might require some time and the
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Speaker 2: need for some assistance. Chief Thomas advised me I needed
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Speaker 2: to get with him on the thirty first for further instructions.
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Speaker 1: End quote.
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Speaker 2: Then there's another memo about Chief Thomas saying there would
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Speaker 2: be an investigator helping Tim Webb two days a week,
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Speaker 2: and then another note saying the investigator who had been
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Speaker 2: assigned was extremely busy on several other cases. So I'm
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Speaker 2: going to go back to Tim Webb's notes to some
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Speaker 2: of the very legitimate questions he was trying to answer
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Speaker 2: about this case. One of them involves the mysterious phone calls.
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Speaker 2: Remember there was a mysterious caller who called police and
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Speaker 2: identified himself as Jared Green's father. Shannon said this was
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Speaker 2: an impersonator that never happened. On October tenth, nineteen ninety four,
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Speaker 2: Jared Green's girlfriend Es told police that someone called her workplace.
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Speaker 2: They didn't identify themselves, but they told her this mystery
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Speaker 2: caller that Jared was okay. So I'm wondering who was
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Speaker 2: that person who was calling the police saying that they
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Speaker 2: were Jared's father, who called Jared's girlfriend's workplace and said
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Speaker 2: that they were Jared's friend. Was it the same person?
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Speaker 2: I want to understand more about that person and why
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Speaker 2: they were trying to mislead the investigation. And obviously I'm
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Speaker 2: also wondering the screaming red flag. What was the story
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Speaker 2: with Robert Webb and Brandon Wheeler. Why didn't the police
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Speaker 2: ever talk them after they left town. It turned out
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Speaker 2: the police did want to talk to Robert Webb, but
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Speaker 2: they couldn't because sometime in the summer of nineteen ninety five,
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Speaker 2: Robert Webb disappeared. Robert Webb went missing sometime in the
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Speaker 2: summer of nineteen ninety five. Again, the timeline here is
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Speaker 2: a little confusing. His mother later told police the last
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Speaker 2: time she heard from her son was on July fourth,
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five, and that no trace of him has
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Speaker 2: been seen since. His family said he would never drop
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Speaker 2: out of contact for that long. Robert's mother officially reported
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Speaker 2: Robert missing around ten months after Jared disappeared. According to Shannon,
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Speaker 2: people who know Jared had their own suspicions about what
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Speaker 2: might have happened to Robert Webb. In later court papers,
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Speaker 2: Robert Webb is described as Brandon Wheeler's roommate and best friend.
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Speaker 2: There's an excerpt from the investigator's reports that reads, an
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Speaker 2: investigator reported, during this time, the aforementioned individual, meaning Robert Webb,
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Speaker 2: was bragging he was a part of the disappearance of
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Speaker 2: Jared Green just before his own disappearance end quote. So
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Speaker 2: clearly police talk to people people who said they suspect
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Speaker 2: the same person or people who killed Jared Green might
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Speaker 2: be responsible for Robert Webb's death. Maybe they saw eliminating
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Speaker 2: him as collateral damage, just another brutal and violent way
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Speaker 2: to tie up loose sins. In nineteen ninety five, Sir
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Speaker 2: C Police, from reading through the case file, seemed to
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Speaker 2: be developing a theory, a theory that Brandon had something
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Speaker 2: to do with Jared's disappearance, but they had no real evidence.
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Speaker 2: Then there was another very strange twist in the case.
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Speaker 2: Shortly after that, investigators interviewed a man named Charles Langley.
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Speaker 2: Charles Langley was in prison doing time on an unrelated matter.
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Speaker 2: When police talked to him. Charles told police that Brandon
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Speaker 2: came to his house to try to sell some crystal meth,
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Speaker 2: and while he and a friend of his were there,
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Speaker 2: they quote asked me if I wanted to get rid
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Speaker 2: of someone for them, because he owed them seventy five
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Speaker 2: hundred dollars. The guy they wanted me to get rid
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Speaker 2: of was Green. Sometime later in December, they came to
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Speaker 2: my house again and said Jason Green. And he did
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Speaker 2: say Jason, though later Charles said he meant Jared was
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Speaker 2: no longer a problem, that he had been taken out
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Speaker 2: of the picture. They told me they had grabbed him
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Speaker 2: at the Walmart store and took care of him end quote.
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Speaker 2: At first this would seem to be a potentially groundbreaking
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Speaker 2: moment in the case, but as with so many things
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Speaker 2: in this case, it was not all it was cracked
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Speaker 2: up to be, because later, when another investigator interviewed Charles
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Speaker 2: in two thousand, Charles recanted his entire statement. He straight
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Speaker 2: up said he had been lying to get a reduced sentence,
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Speaker 2: and he said that when he gave this information to investigators,
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Speaker 2: he was just repeating these third hand rumors. He said
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Speaker 2: he didn't know Brandon and Robert. He said that his
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Speaker 2: statement had been quote an attempt to shorten my stay
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Speaker 2: or possibly even keep me from going to prison, but
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Speaker 2: most of which was a lie end quote. This is
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Speaker 2: why it's so important for investigators to ask more detailed questions.
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Speaker 2: Charles had no information that he couldn't have heard through
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Speaker 2: local rumors. In fact, as we mentioned before, this information
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Speaker 2: appears to be pretty unbelievable because I think it's very
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Speaker 2: unlikely that the Walmart parking lot was the primary crime
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Speaker 2: scene where Jared was attacked. I think it's far more
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Speaker 2: likely that car was driven there. But that's the kind
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Speaker 2: of thing that if you're just hearing stuff based on
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Speaker 2: local rumor, you know a car was found in the
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Speaker 2: Walmart lot, you could just repeat to investigators as a
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Speaker 2: plausible story. On December thirty first, two thousand, Baron Stafford,
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Speaker 2: who police still had not talked to, spoke to his
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Speaker 2: cousin who was also his pastor. The pastor would later
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Speaker 2: tell police Baron said he knew vital information about two
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Speaker 2: different murders. He meant Robert Webb and Jared Green, and
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Speaker 2: shortly after that, on New Year's Eve two thousand, Baron
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Speaker 2: Stafford reportedly took his own life. After that, Jared Green's
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Speaker 2: case went cold for years, but then in two thousand
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Speaker 2: and six, there was another shocking twist because that was
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Speaker 2: the year that an officer in Portland, Oregon, pulled a
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Speaker 2: car over for a routine traffic stop. There were two
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Speaker 2: men in the car. According to an incident report, the
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Speaker 2: officer noticed crack cocaine in the car, and then during
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Speaker 2: the stop, he saw one of these men throw something
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Speaker 2: outside the window a few feet away. It was something
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Speaker 2: black and metal. The officer saw that it was a handgun.
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Speaker 2: After police arrested the two men, they tracked down the
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Speaker 2: gun serial number, and that gun and that serial number
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Speaker 2: were traced back to Circe, Arkansas, and to Jared Green.
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Speaker 2: So how did the gun show up in Oregon after
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Speaker 2: all those years, Shannon says she has never gotten an
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Speaker 2: answer to that question. In December of two thousand and eight,
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Speaker 2: according to the Daily Citizen, detectives searched the grounds of
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Speaker 2: an old well on a property on Pine Canyon Road
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Speaker 2: off Highway thirty six near Circe after they got a
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Speaker 2: tip that Jared's body might be in a well in
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Speaker 2: this old house. But no trace of Jared was found there,
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Speaker 2: just another heartbreak for his family. In twenty sixteen, police
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Speaker 2: did another search. They went to a rural property acting
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Speaker 2: on information of a confidential informant. They were looking near
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Speaker 2: a deer stand in some woods and at that spot
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Speaker 2: cadaverdogs alerted. Later, the pond was drained, no human remains
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Speaker 2: were found. Police consulted the prosecuting attorney named Rebecca Reed McCoy.
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Speaker 2: After she reviewed the evidence and saw that the dog
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Speaker 2: had alerted, she signed an arrest affidavit for Brandon Wheeler.
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Speaker 2: So just a few months later, in twenty seventeen, Shannon
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Speaker 2: Green said her family got mind blowing news. They found
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Speaker 2: out Brandon Wheeler had been arrested and authorities were planning
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Speaker 2: to charge him with Jared's murder and abuse of a corpse.
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Speaker 2: In twenty seventeen, Shannon Green and her family learned that
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Speaker 2: Brandon Wheeler, the man they had long suspected of being
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Speaker 2: involved in her brother Jared's disappearance, had been arrested and charged.
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Speaker 2: Brandon was arrested in Ohio and eventually extradited to Arkansas.
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Speaker 2: He was questioned by police and released on bail. Then,
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Speaker 2: in November of twenty seventeen, in another complete reversal, the
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Speaker 2: prosecutor decided to not move forward with the charges against
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Speaker 2: Brandon Wheeler. Now at the time, she said this was
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Speaker 2: because quote, additional evidence is expected to be recovered and
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Speaker 2: DNA testing would not be completed within the timeframe set
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Speaker 2: by the court end quote. What she actually meant was
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Speaker 2: that she was facing a situation of having to prosecute
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Speaker 2: Brandon Wheeler on a no body homicide. Just reading between
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Speaker 2: the lines, although this is just a guess on my part,
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Speaker 2: it seems as though the prosecutor decided to roll the dice,
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Speaker 2: thought that evidence would be found when the cadaver dogs
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Speaker 2: alerted and after they drained that pond, but draining the
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Speaker 2: pond failed to secure any additional evidence. In the end,
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Speaker 2: the charges against Brandon Wheeler were dismissed with prejudiced, which
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Speaker 2: means if additional evidence ever surfaces, they can be refiled.
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Speaker 2: If the prosecutor had gone forward with the charges then lost.
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Speaker 2: Of course, Brandon Wheeler could not be retried based on
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Speaker 2: the double jeopardy rule, so he was suing individual officers
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Speaker 2: and also the entire police department. He sued the officers
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Speaker 2: in their individual and in their official capacities. You can
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Speaker 2: look up the lawsuit online and We're going to provide
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Speaker 2: a link to the judgment in our source list at
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Speaker 2: the end of the episode. In a nutshell, Brandon Wheeler
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Speaker 2: and his attorneys argued that Brandon Wheeler should never have
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Speaker 2: been arrested and detained on that evidence. They said the
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Speaker 2: officers who wrote up the arrest affidavit indicated in that
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Speaker 2: affidavit that the cadaver doogs had alerted, but they left
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Speaker 2: out the part about no evidence of a body or
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Speaker 2: any remains being found. Brandon's lawyers also said that the
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Speaker 2: Circe police officers mentioned this confession they had gotten from
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Speaker 2: Charles Langley that they knew that later he'd recandidate, but
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Speaker 2: they didn't mention that in their affidavit either. And there
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Speaker 2: were other problems that Brandon Wheeler's legal team claimed that
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Speaker 2: they found in the affidavit. They claimed it was completely misleading.
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Speaker 2: When I talked to Shannon, she discussed the toll that
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Speaker 2: this lawsuit had on the investigation because she says, for
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Speaker 2: the two years that Brandon's lawsuit dragged out, the investigation stopped.
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Speaker 2: Now Brandon Wheeler, by the way, claims he has no
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Speaker 2: involvement in Jared's death. This arrest was completely unjustified. He
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Speaker 2: says he's suffered lost wages and severe mental anguish as
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Speaker 2: a result of being stuck in Arkansas. He said he
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Speaker 2: was subject to unreasonable seizure, that officers violated his fourth
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Speaker 2: and fourteenth Amendments, and that they subjected him to cruel
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Speaker 2: and unusual punishment and excessive bail. He also, by the way,
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Speaker 2: alleges intentional infliction of emotional distress, and this lawsuit is
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Speaker 2: still playing out. In twenty twenty, the United States District
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Speaker 2: Court for the Eastern District of Arkansas sided with Brandon Wheeler.
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Speaker 2: The court found that once you took what his attorneys
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Speaker 2: called misleading statements out of that arrest affidavit, that those
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Speaker 2: officers did not have probable cause to arrest Brandon Wheeler,
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Speaker 2: and the Court of Appeals affirmed that decision in twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty one. I have so many questions about this lawsuit,
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Speaker 2: the way everything played out. I still find myself wondering
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Speaker 2: why did they arrest Brandon Wheeler in that moment. Apparently
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Speaker 2: they thought they did have enough to move forward with
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Speaker 2: a no body homicide. Unfortunately, they miscalculated. And there's more
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Speaker 2: bad news for Shannon's family because the judge ruled that
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Speaker 2: Brandon's interview with the police could not be admitted as evidence.
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Speaker 2: So Shannon and her family only saw five minutes of
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Speaker 2: that video interview in the pre trial hearing. So now
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Speaker 2: we're wondering what else did Brandon Wheeler say in that interview.
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Speaker 2: We may never know. Brandon Wheeler has left the state
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Speaker 2: of Arkansas, and I'm sure he's hired a legal team.
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Speaker 2: I wonder have police lost their only chance at getting
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Speaker 2: Brandon Wheeler or is it possible to get more evidence later.
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Speaker 2: It seems like over the years, Jared's case has had
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Speaker 2: investigators who cared about it. Shannon told me that Jared's
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Speaker 2: case actually became this notorious unsolved case in Sirce, and
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Speaker 2: that when new recruits would join the police force, a
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Speaker 2: detective would sort of present Jared's case as a challenge
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Speaker 2: that the rookies could try to solve.
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Speaker 1: They just basically used to try that case out and
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Speaker 1: give it to the new guy and just say, here,
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Speaker 1: see you can do anything with this. But anytime they
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Speaker 1: got close. What I was told by the last investigators
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Speaker 1: in the case, well that anytime they got close to something,
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Speaker 1: when they started finding things like, hey, I really want
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Speaker 1: to go talk to this person. Their boss who's not
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Speaker 1: there anymore, was like, no, just give them a call
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Speaker 1: and then have somebody else do it like they would.
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Speaker 1: They could never go actually do any investigation outside of
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Speaker 1: like our local area.
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Speaker 2: The case is also complicated by the fact that so
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Speaker 2: many people connected with it have either died or disappeared.
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Speaker 2: As we mentioned earlier, Robert Webb vanished in July of
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five. He's presumed to be dead. Some people
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Speaker 2: out there have a theory that Robert Webb faked his
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Speaker 2: own death to escape the heat, but his family insists
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Speaker 2: that would be completely out of character. He would never
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Speaker 2: do that, and there's been literally no sign of life
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Speaker 2: since nineteen ninety five. We know that Baron Stafford, who
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Speaker 2: went by the name Felix, reportedly took his own life
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Speaker 2: in two thousand. Shannon says that she is not given up.
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Speaker 2: She says that in twenty twenty three, she hoped to
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Speaker 2: have additional private dog teams who would volunteer to investigate.
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Speaker 2: She also said she hoped that now that the lawsuit
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Speaker 2: has mostly played out, that some of the investigators who
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Speaker 2: were so devoted to Jared's case would get some additional resources.
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Speaker 2: She said so far that it hasn't happened.
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Speaker 1: We had two dog teams that were lined up that
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Speaker 1: were willing to search, but for some reason, there has
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Speaker 1: been a stop. So the original investigating officer, who is
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Speaker 1: awesome and I have nothing but respect for he was
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Speaker 1: like put on patrol after that mess with Wheeler when
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Speaker 1: they sued. But then he was moved back into CID
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Speaker 1: and he got promoted and now he's leading a team
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Speaker 1: of investigators. And so I thought when that happened and
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Speaker 1: he had these additional resources, that they were going to make,
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Speaker 1: you know, really be able to dedicate time to Jared's case.
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Speaker 1: But that has not been the case. And I don't
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Speaker 1: know why. I haven't really been able to talk to them.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if this because there is a new
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Speaker 1: police chief and so maybe he's restricting their you know,
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Speaker 1: my access to them. Like it's not that people aren't
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Speaker 1: letting me talk to them, it's just like I really
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Speaker 1: hoped that with this, with this edition, of these three
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Speaker 1: or four other people, that do get some progress.
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Speaker 2: So what can we do next? What needs to happen now?
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Speaker 2: There were four key locations Shannon said needed to be
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Speaker 2: searched they've searched one, but there's still three more to go.
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Speaker 2: She's hoping to get a dog team out there and
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Speaker 2: keep searching that land. Shannon continues to be the advocate
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Speaker 2: for her brother. She said she's not giving up hope.
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Speaker 2: Shannon said she needs people to come forward. She is
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Speaker 2: begging anyone who knew her brother Jared or had any
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Speaker 2: kind of interaction with him, no matter how small, to
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Speaker 2: please come forward because you never know which piece of
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Speaker 2: information will be key to cracking this case.
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Speaker 1: We need someone to break their silence. We know people
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Speaker 1: are withholding information. I think that there are people that
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Speaker 1: have information about what happened that night that will not
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Speaker 1: share an offer effect. But I believe that Rob Webb's
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Speaker 1: family and sister knows something about what happened. He's the
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Speaker 1: guy that went missing about nine months after Jared, who
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Speaker 1: was supposedly Wheeler's best friend, and Wheeler ac feel like
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Speaker 1: he didn't know who he was either. And it's no
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Speaker 1: coin to me that these guys both you know, disappeared.
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Speaker 1: Now there is speculation that you know, Webb is not
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Speaker 1: really he didn't die, that he you know, just changed
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Speaker 1: his identity and moved on. But we have no proof
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Speaker 1: of that. We just know that he hasn't been seen,
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Speaker 1: So I think someone needs to break their silence, right,
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Speaker 1: Someone needs to have courage and come forward.
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Speaker 2: Shannon and her family have just announced a new twenty
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Speaker 2: five thousand dollars reward for any information that could help
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Speaker 2: lead to locating her brother Jared's remains. We still need
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Speaker 2: to fill in blanks of a timeline from September thirtieth,
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four. People have come forward to tell Shannon
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Speaker 2: they saw Jared Green at Walmart that night. We know
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Speaker 2: that he went out, that he met his friend Jason
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Speaker 2: at the country club, and he called his girlfriend after that.
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Speaker 2: It's a mystery. We don't even know for sure if
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Speaker 2: the person or people who saw Jared at Walmart that
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Speaker 2: night really I saw him that night, or we're remembering
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Speaker 2: another night. So much time has passed, Shannon said she
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Speaker 2: used to use the slogan justice for Jared. She said,
26:14
Speaker 2: even though she does dream of getting justice for her
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Speaker 2: brother and of the person or people who killed him
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Speaker 2: being held responsible, the main thing she wants to know
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Speaker 2: is where Jared's remains are so that she and her
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Speaker 2: family can find some measure of peace.
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Speaker 1: Nobody is trying to charge anybody with drug charges. Nobody
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Speaker 1: cares about that. And I've tried to stress that on
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Speaker 1: my Facebook page a lot because I want people to
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Speaker 1: understand we're looking for Jared's remains. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: we will ever get justice for him, but we can
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Speaker 1: give him the burial he deserves and the closure for
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Speaker 1: us to put him to rest. And that's really all
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Speaker 1: we want is just to know where he's at and
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Speaker 1: bring him home. And what I don't this is the
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Speaker 1: part that you know, there's a lot of this that
27:03
Speaker 1: it's sickening, but I don't under and why if someone
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Speaker 1: had to kill him, why they didn't just leave him
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Speaker 1: where he could be found, because then we would at
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Speaker 1: least know, and then I wouldn't still be, you know,
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Speaker 1: forcing myself on the world to try to tell Jared's
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Speaker 1: story to try to find his remains. Because if people
27:21
Speaker 1: are afraid or they were involved and they don't want
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Speaker 1: this to keep cropping up, and all they have to
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Speaker 1: do is come forward, yeah and say here's the information
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Speaker 1: I have, I will share it. Nobody's going to jail
27:33
Speaker 1: for the only charge that could possibly be applied would
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Speaker 1: be a murder charge. And if you didn't kill him,
27:41
Speaker 1: then there's nothing, no reason why they shouldn't come forward
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Speaker 1: to say what they know.
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Speaker 2: So please, if you know anything, think about if this
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Speaker 2: was your brother, your sister, your parents lying awake at night,
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Speaker 2: agonizing over what happened to their child, wondering if they
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Speaker 2: could still be out there. Shannon Green just wants to
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Speaker 2: bring her little brother Jared home. I'm Catherine Townsend. This
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Speaker 2: a production of School of Humans and iHeart Podcasts. It's
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Speaker 2: written and narrated by me Catherine Townsend and produced by
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Speaker 2: Gabby Watts. Music is by Ben Solee and this episode
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