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Mini: Toilet Paper · Why We Do What We Do

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to Why we Do what we Do? Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Why we Do what we Do? Mini.
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  Speaker 2: This is your host Abraham, and this is Shane. What's
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  Speaker 2: Up Buttholes?
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  Speaker 1: We are right Psychology Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: And this is a short form version of the of
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  Speaker 2: our regular discussions that we try and cram just a
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  Speaker 2: nice concise topic down into like a ten or fifteen
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  Speaker 2: minute discussion. And today we are talking about the history
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  Speaker 2: of toilet paper why we use toilet paper. So, because
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about toilet paper, I would like to issue
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  Speaker 2: a warning at the top of this episode. This may
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  Speaker 2: be somewhat skeatological. There will be discussions of poop and pea,
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  Speaker 2: which may result in some giggling and may also make
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  Speaker 2: people a little nauseous. I fear that's something you're not
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  Speaker 2: capable of hearing, but wanted to let you know up front.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Also, I don't think your boholes. I'm sorry I
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  Speaker 3: called you that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just it was, you know, in relation to our
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  Speaker 2: topic at hands today, Yeah, which, as I said, is
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  Speaker 2: a toilet paper absolutely so.
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  Speaker 3: Toilet paper or tpe or bathroom tissue is a fairly
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  Speaker 3: recent invention, even more recent as a product commercially produced
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  Speaker 3: for a sole purpose of cleaning your butt after defecation
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  Speaker 3: or your perennial area of urine. So it's a cleaning
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  Speaker 3: mechanism at this point.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, although this has become a critical staple in American culture,
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  Speaker 2: at least Americans were really not so quick to adopt
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  Speaker 2: toilet paper after it first became available, And now pretty
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  Speaker 2: much everyone in the United States uses toilet paper, while
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  Speaker 2: seventy percent of people around the rest of the world
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  Speaker 2: no longer use toilet paper, or maybe even never did.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, United States being contrarian per usual. So
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  Speaker 3: it shows up and we're like no, and then when
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  Speaker 3: everybody stops using it, we go yes. Right, this is
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  Speaker 3: almost a history of paper and a history of plumbing,
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  Speaker 3: so be prepared for that, but also a kind of
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  Speaker 3: history of puritanical rigidity and elitism, which is fun.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you wouldn't think there was so much about toilet paper,
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  Speaker 2: but there really is. Uh huh, a thing worth knowing,
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  Speaker 2: I think. Okay, So the question we're asking today, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to unpack in this mini is why do
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  Speaker 2: we clean ourselves in our nether regions with dry, rough
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  Speaker 2: paper after we do our business? And also why don't
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  Speaker 2: most people do this anymore. How did this product and
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  Speaker 2: practice evolve and then also fade away?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, so let's go ahead and get into some fun
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  Speaker 3: stuff about this. Toilet paper is usually a fairly soft
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  Speaker 3: manufactured paper in perforated squares that is four and a
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  Speaker 3: half inches or eleven point four centimeters wide and about
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  Speaker 3: seventy five feet or twenty three meters long, wrapped around
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  Speaker 3: a typically cardboard tube. Yes, that isn't the most specific
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  Speaker 3: description of toilet paper I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: Then you're welcome.
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  Speaker 2: We've got to define our terms, you know, of course. Now, okay,
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  Speaker 2: so why don't we use toilet paper? I'm actually going
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  Speaker 2: to spoil that right now, because there is a very
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  Speaker 2: specific reason that most animals that are not humans do
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  Speaker 2: not do any They don't use toilet paper. If they
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  Speaker 2: clean themselves at all, they do so in a different way.
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  Speaker 2: So this actually is due to the sort of shape
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  Speaker 2: and nature of human genitalia, including our anuses, and most
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  Speaker 2: anthropologists and I think biologists at this point believe it's
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  Speaker 2: also due to the fact that we carry an upright posture,
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  Speaker 2: which is fairly uncommon, and so because of this, because
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  Speaker 2: the way our genitals are arranged and how they look,
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  Speaker 2: how they're shaped, how they appear in our bodies, and
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  Speaker 2: because we walk upright, we have needed a way to
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  Speaker 2: clean ourselves after we evacuate our various waste disposal systems
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  Speaker 2: that is pooping and pean And so that's essentially why
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  Speaker 2: it's because the way our bodies are shaped, we are
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  Speaker 2: more prone to getting more dirty. Like most animals do
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  Speaker 2: not have butt cheeks that come around and like surround
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  Speaker 2: the anus as completely as ours do, or have their
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  Speaker 2: genitalia with the perennial urine area that is so close
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  Speaker 2: to the skin and sort of dribbles around a bit.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So this brings up toilet paper, and toilet paper
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  Speaker 3: itself is fairly recent, and so is paper. Paper is
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  Speaker 3: a fairly recent invention and as far as human history
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  Speaker 3: goes as well, So what have people been using for
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  Speaker 3: most of history?
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of difficult to tell, Like because we know
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  Speaker 2: people have needed to wipe because of sort of as
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  Speaker 2: I said, as our bodies are shaped, right, but because
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  Speaker 2: toilet paper is so new in human history, and we'll
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  Speaker 2: talk about that, it's like, well, if we have to
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  Speaker 2: use it, what have people been doing? Well, it is
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  Speaker 2: difficult to tell because for one, people weren't keeping detailed
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  Speaker 2: records of how they cleaned up after pooping. Also, they
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  Speaker 2: didn't have paper, so they weren't really keeping detailed records
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  Speaker 2: at all. And for another thing, what people could or
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  Speaker 2: did use was almost certainly organic and would pretty easily
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  Speaker 2: break down very rapidly and decompose, which meant it left
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  Speaker 2: little or no trace of its use. However, historians and
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  Speaker 2: anthropologists believe that what people most likely used was kind
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  Speaker 2: of anything that was around, depending on where they were
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  Speaker 2: geographically and what was around them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so a couple examples were things like moss, grass, leaves, snow,
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  Speaker 3: which seems like that would hurt. I did not want
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  Speaker 3: to put an ice cube on my butt.
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  Speaker 2: They well, and it gets worse because some people might
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  Speaker 2: have used sand. Definitely, people used water. They might sort
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  Speaker 2: of put themselves in, like a running body of water
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  Speaker 2: or something. Sure, and then in the warmer climates where
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  Speaker 2: there were coconuts, it was very common for people to
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  Speaker 2: use coconut fibers, or they.
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  Speaker 3: Could use hay, cotton or linens, but those were for
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  Speaker 3: the wealthy or literally anything similar that we didn't mention
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  Speaker 3: anything that meets any of the criteria. That we just
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  Speaker 3: talked about could have been used. I'm surprised you didn't
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  Speaker 3: drop a Sylvester Stallone demolition Man joke and hear about
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  Speaker 3: the shells.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, seashells is another thing that came up. I forgot
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  Speaker 2: to put on the list. But I actually have never
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  Speaker 2: seen Demolition Man. I'm ashamed.
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  Speaker 1: So no, you don't need to see it.
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  Speaker 3: It's not very good. But basically, Sylvester Stillan wakes up
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  Speaker 3: as a cop in the future and like Sandra Bullock,
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  Speaker 3: has to explain to him that there are three seashells
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  Speaker 3: that are used to wipe butts, but doesn't never explain
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  Speaker 3: it how like it's done, just goes there, you go,
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  Speaker 3: like there's no toilet paper in the future.
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  Speaker 2: I found some evidence that Greeks actually used rocks to
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  Speaker 2: scrape themselves. As a matter of fact, they may have
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  Speaker 2: been chiseled rocks. Yeah, and historians believe that the Greeks
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  Speaker 2: may have carved the names of their enemies into the
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  Speaker 2: rocks that they used to scrape their poop, because those
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  Speaker 2: are the kind of people that Greeks were.
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  Speaker 3: Oh man, I just you know, I love that period
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  Speaker 3: of history where like the Greeks and the Romans, like
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  Speaker 3: everybody was just sarcastic.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: It might have been the Greeks or might I forget
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  Speaker 3: where it was, but it was somewhere on that time
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  Speaker 3: or in that era where like the first dick joke
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  Speaker 3: was carved onto a wall like it was graffiti. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: I do remember this, and it's like at that time,
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  Speaker 3: it's just like, man, what a great what a great time.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, not a great time, because it's probably really
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  Speaker 3: terrible to live at that time because you're spending your
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  Speaker 3: butt with rocks. But I mean, you know, it's nice
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  Speaker 3: that a group of people had such a great sense
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  Speaker 3: of humor.
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  Speaker 2: I guess the audio equivalent of scraping your butt with
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  Speaker 2: rocks is listening to ads. So, as we said, these
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  Speaker 2: are the tools that people have been using to clean themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Now this did, I guess you could say evolve. It
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  Speaker 2: gets worse considerably for a while, it changed. So there's
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  Speaker 2: that ancient Romans used this sponge like material.
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  Speaker 1: It was a sponge.
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  Speaker 2: They basically stuck it on the end of a long
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  Speaker 2: stick and they called this a xylospongium or maybe just
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  Speaker 2: Xilo's spongeum. And as we've talked about in the past,
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  Speaker 2: the Romans would have these large, open public toilets, so
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  Speaker 2: it's basically a room with ten to twenty people who
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  Speaker 2: would sit down and do their business and sort of
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  Speaker 2: talk with each other while they were doing their business
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  Speaker 2: in these restrooms, and they would use these Xilo spongeums
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  Speaker 2: to wipe themselves after they had finished doing their business.
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  Speaker 2: Then after they were done, they would rinse it in
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  Speaker 2: a solution of water, salt, and vinegar and leave that
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  Speaker 2: very same sponge for the next person to come in.
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  Speaker 2: And that means that when you came in there, you
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  Speaker 2: were using the same sponge that a thousand people had
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  Speaker 2: used before you. Now, sure, if you were very wealthy,
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  Speaker 2: you might have your own personal silo spongeum, but most
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  Speaker 2: people did not. The overwhelming majority of people were sharing
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  Speaker 2: their Xilo sponge ems.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, as you're thinking about that, you're
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  Speaker 3: probably going, well, that's that's gross. And if it sounds
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  Speaker 3: dangerously unhygienic, it likely was, and it likely contributed to
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  Speaker 3: a lot of disease spreads. So you were not wrong
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  Speaker 3: in thinking or believing that that was probably problematic.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, looking at how much we have to talk about already,
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  Speaker 2: I think I need to pick up the pace a
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  Speaker 2: little bit, so let's burn through. These monarchs in England
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  Speaker 2: had a special appointed position called.
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  Speaker 1: The groom of the stool.
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  Speaker 2: There was a sort of equivalent for queens, but this
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  Speaker 2: was mostly for kings, and this was someone who helped
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  Speaker 2: the royalty and their toilet time activities.
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  Speaker 1: Now they may have helped with wiping.
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  Speaker 2: It seems like they probably didn't, but we don't know
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  Speaker 2: for sure, but they were at least responsible for ensuring
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  Speaker 2: that the royalty person had linen or cotton for wiping
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  Speaker 2: themselves afterward. And although this sounds like a horrible job
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  Speaker 2: that no one would want, it was actually a fairly
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  Speaker 2: coveted position, as the groom of the stool would have
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  Speaker 2: a lot of like private time with the royalty and
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  Speaker 2: they might be able to both hear their thoughts as
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  Speaker 2: well as give them ideas. So people might actually pay
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  Speaker 2: the groom of the stool to try and coax the
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  Speaker 2: royalty towards some position they wanted them to take on something,
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  Speaker 2: and so that was a fairly lucrative position to have.
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  Speaker 2: Oh and interesting, this practice of groom of the stool
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  Speaker 2: lasted until it lasted for more than five hundred years,
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  Speaker 2: ending as recently as nineteen oh one, has barely been
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  Speaker 2: more than a century since this position.
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  Speaker 3: I think about that for a second. Nineteen oh one
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  Speaker 3: and then just a few years later World War one
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  Speaker 3: was happening.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is how recently they had attendance with them
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  Speaker 2: in the bathroom.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, wow, what a time Human beings is so interesting.
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  Speaker 3: So in America people mostly used discarted corn cobs to
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  Speaker 3: do their wiping, at least initially, and in the Chinese
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  Speaker 3: invented paper during the Han dynasty and one oh five CE. However,
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  Speaker 3: paper was made by hand and was very expensive.
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  Speaker 2: So it was probably not put on rolls, right, it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't on rolls, And because it was so expensive, the
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  Speaker 2: emperor was using paper to clean himself, and so what
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  Speaker 2: he ordered specifically was a three by five foot which
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  Speaker 2: was ninety one centimeters by one hundred and fifty two
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  Speaker 2: centimeters sheet to wipe and clean himself. So he had
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  Speaker 2: this like lowcase size larger than that actually, like almost
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  Speaker 2: a blanket sized piece of paper to wipe himself.
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  Speaker 3: Oh man, that's wild. So paper was too expensive to
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  Speaker 3: be used commonly to wipe oneself, like we just established.
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  Speaker 3: Until Johannes Gutenberg invented the printing press, and the demand
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  Speaker 3: for paper drastically increased, so once it was easily available,
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  Speaker 3: it was all over the place.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then paper manufacturing became automated and was made in
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  Speaker 2: factories and could be made much more cheaply. And so
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  Speaker 2: at that point we then start having things like newspapers
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  Speaker 2: and zines, although at the time they were more like
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  Speaker 2: marketing catalogs. And once these started being widely available, they
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  Speaker 2: were basically cheap or even free to obtain, like Series
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  Speaker 2: and Roebuck just basically gave way catalogs of their things.
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  Speaker 2: And again they were trying to recruit sales, and so
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  Speaker 2: it was very easy for people to obtain and so
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  Speaker 2: people use this as their wipe being implement and added
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  Speaker 2: bonus they could read it first while they were doing
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  Speaker 2: their business and then wipe themselves with it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, in eighteen fifty seven, the first commercially designed
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  Speaker 3: toilet paper was developed by a man named Joseph Gayety Gayety,
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  Speaker 3: I imagine that's how I would, I believe sell yah
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  Speaker 3: and appeared in the United States drug stores. So this
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  Speaker 3: wacky new invention was called quote medicid paper for the
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  Speaker 3: water closet and it had five hundred sheets, and it
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  Speaker 3: sold for fifty cents.
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  Speaker 2: However, this was, as we said, eighteen fifty seven, and
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  Speaker 2: the prudish Americans could not fathom buy in something that
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  Speaker 2: was publicly declaring itself as use for something as disgraceful
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  Speaker 2: and as private as your restroom time. Also, they were
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  Speaker 2: already using these free catalogs that they could read and
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  Speaker 2: wipe themselves, so why would they pay for paper? And
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  Speaker 2: thus it actually took a long time for toilet paper
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  Speaker 2: to really start to catch on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Further, at this point, people were mostly still doing their
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  Speaker 3: business and holes in the ground or buckets or any
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  Speaker 3: other empty receptacle that they'd commonly throw in the nearby
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  Speaker 3: fresh water supply. By the way, they'd empty that bucket
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  Speaker 3: into whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah what should have been drinking water.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, not good until people started inventing a way to
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  Speaker 3: move water around more.
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  Speaker 2: Easily, which leads us to indoor plumbing. And once indoor
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  Speaker 2: plumbing started becoming common, newspapers, book pages, and catalogs would
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  Speaker 2: pretty drastically clog up the new plumbing system and really
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  Speaker 2: could not be used for wiping in systems where plumbing existed.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so while most people didn't have plumbing in their homes. Homes,
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  Speaker 3: toilet paper was reserved for fancy hotels and wealthy people,
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  Speaker 3: so of course it was for the upper echelon of folks.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, which happened. I mean it had kind of been
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  Speaker 2: the case all the way, you know, up to this point. Yeah, Now,
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  Speaker 2: in eighteen seventy nine, Clarence and Edward Scott started buying paper,
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  Speaker 2: and they were just buying these these huge amounts of
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  Speaker 2: paper in bulk, and then they would package it in
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  Speaker 2: their brand and sell it to hotels as used for
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  Speaker 2: toileting and wiping and that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: So this is Scott toilet paper.
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  Speaker 3: Will the King's got somebody wiping his butt over in England?
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  Speaker 3: Americans got to figure it out, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, They're still wiping their butts until for another
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  Speaker 3: twenty two years now, in nineteen oh two, they started
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  Speaker 3: manufacturing their own toilet paper, Scott toilet Paper, to be
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  Speaker 3: sold to the wealthy and businesses.
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  Speaker 2: Now Scott toilet Paper, because they were the first ones
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  Speaker 2: to start doing this, they became the number one selling
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  Speaker 2: brand of toilet paper in the whole world. And what
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  Speaker 2: happened is people would go to these fancy, luxurious hotels
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  Speaker 2: and they would want that toilet paper for themselves, and
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  Speaker 2: so they would go out and they would start buying
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  Speaker 2: Scott toilet paper also.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then in nineteen thirty five, toilet paper manufacturers
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  Speaker 3: started calling their TP their toilet paper splinter free to
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  Speaker 3: emphasize comfort, but also could you imagine getting a splinter?
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  Speaker 2: I was just like, hold on, hold on, hold on,
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  Speaker 2: you're now I mean this has been around since for
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  Speaker 2: at this point, like sixty.
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  Speaker 3: Years, yeah, fifteen, ten years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so at this point you're now calling this
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  Speaker 2: splinter free. What was going on with toilet paper that
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  Speaker 2: was happening? Yeah, Like, oh my god, you know how
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  Speaker 2: many splinters I would need to get from toilet paper
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  Speaker 2: before I stopped using it all together?
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  Speaker 1: One?
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 1: Exactly?
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  Speaker 3: One?
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  Speaker 1: Exactly?
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 1: That is more than enough?
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, it was it Actually, there wasn't much of a
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  Speaker 2: difference in the toilet paper, but they were just trying
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  Speaker 2: to emphasize that it was really comfortable. That's still just
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  Speaker 2: a very weird thing to use. Like, now your coca
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  Speaker 2: cola comes without poison. I'm like, wait, what, well.
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  Speaker 3: What was I doing before? So in the US TV
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  Speaker 3: companies would still not allow advertisers to call their product
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  Speaker 3: toilet paper until the nineteen seventies. Instead, it was called
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  Speaker 3: bathroom tissue, which is why you'll still see the name
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  Speaker 3: today because of the hilariously stupid rigidity of conservative Americans.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think it was like in the what
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  Speaker 3: in the sixties or seventies the first toilet flushing on
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  Speaker 3: TV happened, like they would not a lot of toilets
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  Speaker 3: to flush on TV.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, that's pretty recent, Like we're talking again, just
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  Speaker 2: like fifty years ago. Yeah, you could only call it
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  Speaker 2: bathroom tissue or you could not advertise with that. Although
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  Speaker 2: it is now a staple in American homes, it hasn't
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  Speaker 2: even been a full century yet that this has been around,
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  Speaker 2: and so again, this is now a staple in American homes.
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  Speaker 2: Most people around the world have switched to using bidet toilets,
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  Speaker 2: and if you're not familiar with those, Essentially what they
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  Speaker 2: do is they just shoot a small stream of water
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  Speaker 2: into your nether region from the toilet, and it comes
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  Speaker 2: from a fresh water supply. It's not shooting water that's
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  Speaker 2: already in the toilet. It's like a set up to
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  Speaker 2: its own line and that uses that to basically spray
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  Speaker 2: down your anus or vagina or penis or whatever you
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  Speaker 2: are using there and to wash it off that way.
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  Speaker 2: And it's actually generally considered to be both more hygienic
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  Speaker 2: and better for the environment.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So they don't require a single use disposal product
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  Speaker 3: to be manufactured using by using wood pulp, which means
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  Speaker 3: from trees planted or harvested from forests and grown using
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  Speaker 3: tons of water. It's not wrapped in plastic, and it's
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  Speaker 3: not shipped to a location, only be flushed down a
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  Speaker 3: sewage system that must be regulated and monitored. The only
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  Speaker 3: requirement is a little extra water and using substantially less
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  Speaker 3: than is used to grow farmed trees, or less than
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  Speaker 3: the damage that's caused by the deforestation while harvesting trees.
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  Speaker 3: And they're also very thorough so like it ends up
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  Speaker 3: working out overall, like it's a net gain.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, that's why people use toilet paper. That's why
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  Speaker 2: most people don't use toilet paper anymore. The days are
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  Speaker 2: cheaper and more hygienic and better for the environment. And
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  Speaker 2: so that's the history of toilet paper. Is there anything
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  Speaker 2: you like to add or anything that I missed before
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  Speaker 2: I wrap this up. Stay clean, Stay clean.
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  Speaker 1: That was Why we do what we do Mini, and
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  Speaker 1: we are out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you've been listening to Why We Do What We Do.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for listening, and we hope you have an awesome
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