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MONSTER-GRANNY Orders Hit on Son-in-Law GETS CUSHY NEW DIGS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Does this granny ever give up?
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  Speaker 1: No way, Donna Adelson.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, the granny convicted of having her son in law,
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  Speaker 2: Dan Markel murdered. Oh my stars, I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: she did it, but she got herself moved to a
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  Speaker 2: new prison closer to home to serve out her life
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  Speaker 2: sentence behind bars.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, Donna Adelson has moved to a new CI
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  Speaker 2: correctional institute closer to her home in South Florida. She
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  Speaker 2: was being held at the Florida Women's Reception Center, Marion County,
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  Speaker 2: but now she's moved to the Homestead Correctional Institute, Miami Dade.
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  Speaker 2: As you know, she was convicted a first degree murder, conspiracy, solicitation,
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  Speaker 2: and the murder of her son in law, Dan Markel.
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  Speaker 1: Let me just start with our friends at crime Online.
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  Speaker 3: Donna Adelson, the mother of recently convicted murderer Charlie Adelson,
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  Speaker 3: is caught by police trying to board a plane leaving
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  Speaker 3: Miami and heading to Vietnam. Her husband, Harvey is with
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  Speaker 3: her as police take her into custody, the latest person
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  Speaker 3: to be arrested in the murder for higher plot killing
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  Speaker 3: of Dan Markel. In charging documents and a warrant request,
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  Speaker 3: prosecutors noted that on recorded jail phone calls, Adelson discussed
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  Speaker 3: killing herself and leaving the country. Following Charlie Adelson's conviction,
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  Speaker 3: he is facing a mandatory life sentence. Three other people
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  Speaker 3: have also been convicted in Markel's murder. Donna and Harvey
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  Speaker 3: Adelson had one way tickets purchased for Vietnam. Vietnam has
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  Speaker 3: no extradition agreement with the United States.
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  Speaker 2: OKA understand this with me in an all star panel
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  Speaker 2: to make sense of what we know right now. But
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  Speaker 2: first two, Joel Waldman joining us out of this jurisdiction
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  Speaker 2: in Florida, host off surviving the survivor Joel the mother
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  Speaker 2: in law. First of all, who's Charlie Adelson. Charlie Adelson
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  Speaker 2: is the brother in law. And he's not just the
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  Speaker 2: brother in law. He's apparently a very well respected periodontist.
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  Speaker 2: This is the brother in law of the dead husband,
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  Speaker 2: the dad, Dan Markel, the law professor. So I want
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  Speaker 2: to first start with the mother in law trying to
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  Speaker 2: flee the jurisdiction to Vietnam. But this is just after
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  Speaker 2: her son is convicted in the murder. Let's just start.
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  Speaker 2: Why is the mother in law at the airport with
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  Speaker 2: her husband, Harvey the one way take it to Vietnam.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me how that whole thing went down?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, in a word, she didn't want to be arrested,
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  Speaker 4: and she knew that it was coming. What a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people don't know is that this happened over nine
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  Speaker 4: years ago, so they've been waiting for justice all these years.
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  Speaker 4: The two convicted hitmen are in prison, as.
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  Speaker 1: Is the middlewoman.
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  Speaker 4: But just to get back to your original question about
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  Speaker 4: Donna Adelson, it was on a Monday that Charlie Adelson,
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  Speaker 4: the ex brother in law, was convicted, and then exactly
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  Speaker 4: a week to the day, Donna Adelson is arrested at
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  Speaker 4: Miami International Airport. And what we found out since then
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  Speaker 4: is almost immediately after Charlie's conviction, Donna and her son
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  Speaker 4: Charlie were on the phone for thirty five hours that week.
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  Speaker 2: Good Lord in Heaven, thirty five hours In one way, guys,
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  Speaker 2: you're hearing Joel Waldman. He is a host of an
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  Speaker 2: incredible podcast, Surviving the survivor, Joel, don't.
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  Speaker 1: Lose any of those thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: Dave Ehrenberg is joining US Palm Beach County state attorney
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  Speaker 2: and friend of Dan Markel. Also with me Tamara Demco.
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  Speaker 2: I've got that she is a doctor A jd. An
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  Speaker 2: Rn She went to Harvard Law School. But aside from
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  Speaker 2: all of her education and her achievements, she's a close
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  Speaker 2: friend of the murder of victim Dan Markel. And again,
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  Speaker 2: this case is like my head is spinning around with
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  Speaker 2: all the ins and outs of this case. But to
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  Speaker 2: break it down, this law professor Dan Markel, young, attractive,
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  Speaker 2: devoted father.
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  Speaker 1: He goes out of town.
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  Speaker 2: He comes back, half the furniture is gone, and the
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  Speaker 2: children are gone, and he can't find the children. That
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  Speaker 2: starts a very acrimonious divorce with win Adel's son Okay
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  Speaker 2: as her mother that just got nabbed on a one
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  Speaker 2: way taken to Vietnam.
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  Speaker 1: Dragging along the father. What did he know, Harvey? Is
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  Speaker 1: he just along for the writer? Does he know anything?
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  Speaker 1: Long story short?
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  Speaker 2: David Ehrenberg, before I go to Tamara, Dave, I heard
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  Speaker 2: you say something that I researched intensely. You were describing
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  Speaker 2: Wendy's brother, the brother in law now convicted a murder,
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  Speaker 2: and you referred to him as the Maestro, and you
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  Speaker 2: mentioned he drives around town in his Ferrari and his
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  Speaker 2: name tag. I mean the license plate actually says the Maestro.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he is someone who's very self assured.
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  Speaker 1: That's one way to put it right.
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  Speaker 5: It was a book by Bob Woodward years ago about
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  Speaker 5: the Maestro I think it was Alan Greenspan and how
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  Speaker 5: he controlled the world's economy. This is how he sees
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  Speaker 5: himself in that same vein that he controls thing. So,
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  Speaker 5: you know, that's a pretty interesting piece of evidence to
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  Speaker 5: show that this guy self assured, to use the euphemism,
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  Speaker 5: is the kind of guy who would help plan a
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  Speaker 5: murder and think he could get away with it.
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  Speaker 1: Thinks he just as smarter than everybody in the room.
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  Speaker 1: What they can't read. That sign at the jail says
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  Speaker 1: this is being recorded hello, exactly.
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  Speaker 5: You know, he would so cocksure himself throughout the trial.
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  Speaker 5: The fact that he took the stand and spun this
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  Speaker 5: preposterous lie that he was the victim of extortion, which
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  Speaker 5: made no sense, and he believed he had won over
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  Speaker 5: at least one member of the jury, and so he
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  Speaker 5: was shocked. You uhould see the face when he walked
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  Speaker 5: in after a short deliberation, because he knew his goose
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  Speaker 5: was cooked, and.
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  Speaker 1: He just put his head down, like, I can't believe.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody has finally called me on my shrit He finally
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  Speaker 2: finally had to answer up that he arranged the hit.
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  Speaker 6: One wan't see address of your emergency.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, come exactly what happened?
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  Speaker 7: We heard it looked in the garage goal was up,
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  Speaker 7: and I thought the gentleman was backing out, and I
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  Speaker 7: went back to my house, but he never backed out.
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  Speaker 7: And I came back over and his wind his driver's
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  Speaker 7: side window is shattered, and he's moving his head around, but
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  Speaker 7: he's not responding. I've called his name. I asked what's
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  Speaker 7: going on? And I call his name, asking what's happening.
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  Speaker 7: He's not responding to that, but his head's kind of
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  Speaker 7: rolling around.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, is he conscious?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I can't tell.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, is he breathing?
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  Speaker 7: I can't tell that. I'm assuming he's breathing if he's
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  Speaker 7: moving his head around.
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  Speaker 6: Did you ever hear him talk or anything?
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  Speaker 7: No, Okay, he said he's sitting in the car right
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  Speaker 7: correct on the driver's seat.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my stars. When I hear about the execution style.
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  Speaker 2: Hit on a loving dad of two little boys, a
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  Speaker 2: loving dad devoted.
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  Speaker 1: To his children. When I hear that, it just pounds
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  Speaker 1: it in. He was alive.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't get shot and just die instantly. He was
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  Speaker 2: still trying to speak, He was still moving his head around.
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  Speaker 2: Professor Dan Markel, I had heard of him as being
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  Speaker 2: a renowned law professor, just crackling with legal intelligence, totally
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  Speaker 2: devoted to his family. Hearing that nimil one call and
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  Speaker 2: realizing that he's moving his head around trying to speak
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  Speaker 2: to a neighbor is excruciating. I've thought it through myself.
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  Speaker 2: Did the victim die immediately? Did they know what was
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  Speaker 2: happening to them? What were their last moments on earth?
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  Speaker 2: Was he thinking about his children while I ever see
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  Speaker 2: them again? Am I going to live or die?
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  Speaker 1: Let's listen to more of that nine to one one call.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna hear it just like the jury.
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  Speaker 5: So you're saying his head.
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  Speaker 7: Is bloody, now, yes, some bloody. I mean the window shattered.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know if he's tried to shoot himself. I
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  Speaker 7: don't know what the situation is it's.
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  Speaker 1: The driver's side window, correct, That's correct.
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  Speaker 7: He's still moving around, So who's alive?
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  Speaker 6: Okay?
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  Speaker 8: It looks like I should have an auscar coming up
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  Speaker 8: the roadway.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, well we need the mt.
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  Speaker 4: The officer's going to be there first.
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  Speaker 6: They're not going to come until we figure out what's
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  Speaker 6: going on. But they're on the way as well.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, we'd better be if this guy's got a shot.
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  Speaker 2: The state alleges she masterminded a paid hit on her
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  Speaker 2: own son in law. How and the hay did a
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  Speaker 2: mild mannered law professor end a dead execution style.
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  Speaker 1: In his own garage, in his own car.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he's pulling in home to see his children
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  Speaker 2: and his wife, and bam, he shot dead.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to this.
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  Speaker 9: Dan Markell comes home to find the house empty, his
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  Speaker 9: wife and two boys gone, and divorce papers left on
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  Speaker 9: a bed. Dan Markel describes the day as his pearl
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  Speaker 9: Harbor without warning, life as he knew it was gone
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  Speaker 9: for six weeks. Dan Markel says he doesn't know where
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  Speaker 9: his children are, much less as soon to be ex wife.
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  Speaker 9: Markel claims Aidolson is getting held from mother Donna Adelson
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  Speaker 9: and brother Charles Adelson keeping her location secret. Their divorce
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  Speaker 9: order is for them to share joint custody of the children.
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  Speaker 2: My stars, the whole family is in on keeping the children,
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  Speaker 2: the two little boys, away from daddy.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you.
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  Speaker 2: Something, Dave mac joining me along with Gig McKelvey. First
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  Speaker 2: of you, Dave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave mac.
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  Speaker 1: There was never an allegation.
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  Speaker 2: That Professor Markel the children, abuse the children, starve the children.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, if anything, he injulged them, He petted them
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  Speaker 2: too much.
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  Speaker 1: They were his mini means, he adored them.
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  Speaker 2: So the whole family gets in league with the wife,
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  Speaker 2: Wendy Adelson to hide the children from the dad.
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  Speaker 9: What is so shocking, Nancy that, Okay, the marriage is
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  Speaker 9: at that point where Wendy wants out. Now, you've got
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  Speaker 9: to remember that Wendy Adelson's family is all in South Florida,
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  Speaker 9: and that's where she wants to go with her children.
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  Speaker 9: We're talking an eight hour difference between where the where
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  Speaker 9: the Markel's live in the northern part of Florida, and
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  Speaker 9: where the Adolson family lives in southern Florida rather and
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  Speaker 9: when Wendy doesn't get that approval to move with. That's it,
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  Speaker 9: that's where everything begins, Nancy. They actually, I say they
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  Speaker 9: Alton family. You mentioned Dan Markel comes home to an
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  Speaker 9: empty house, right, Well, he had gone to a convention
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  Speaker 9: and he was like the keynote speaker at this big event.
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  Speaker 9: They made sure that he got the message that Wendy
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  Speaker 9: wanted a divorce right before he went on stage. They
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  Speaker 9: played it out perfectly, and there was some crowd of
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  Speaker 9: damaging him like that. It was amazing what they did
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  Speaker 9: to this man.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my stars, you know, hold on, Gigi, let me
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  Speaker 2: go to Eric Fattus really quickly. Guys, Eric Fattus, veteran
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  Speaker 2: trial lawyer or TV legal analyst, founding partner Varner Fattus,
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  Speaker 2: elite legal, former felony prosecutor. That's important, now, Defense attorney Eric,
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  Speaker 2: when you are about to go to trial, strike a jury,
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  Speaker 2: give a legal presentation in front of hundreds of lawyers
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  Speaker 2: who are going to be asked firing legal questions at you,
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  Speaker 2: you got to be sharp. It's like a Wimbledon tennis match.
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  Speaker 2: You can't miss a thing. I remember thinking in court,
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  Speaker 2: I'd be watching the witness and watching the jury.
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  Speaker 1: Watch the witness, watch the jury as questioning.
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  Speaker 2: We take place like a tennis match, because if you
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  Speaker 2: miss one word, one sentence, legal term, you're screwed.
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  Speaker 1: Anything could go wrong.
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  Speaker 2: And so right before he takes the stage in one
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  Speaker 2: of hundreds of lawyers, that's when he gets hit with
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  Speaker 2: the knees.
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  Speaker 1: Your wife wants a divorce, and.
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  Speaker 2: He comes home, the house is picked clean and screw
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  Speaker 2: the furniture. The children are gone. Oh I can't even
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  Speaker 2: imagine that fatness. You come home and your children are gone.
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  Speaker 2: That is what happened to him.
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  Speaker 10: Oh gosh, I mean, that is going to shake anybody have,
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  Speaker 10: let alone someone who is preparing for a big professional presentation.
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  Speaker 10: You got to be on your game. You've got to
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  Speaker 10: be listening. There are details you've got to take in.
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  Speaker 10: You got to make sure you don't miss anything. This
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  Speaker 10: is a high stakes presentation for him, and they did
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  Speaker 10: this in a couch related fashion, intentionally to shake him
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  Speaker 10: up as much as they could. And really, you know,
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  Speaker 10: his life is crashing in upon him immediately before he's
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  Speaker 10: about to give this kind of beach I mean, clearly
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  Speaker 10: problematic and shows some malice on their part.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to tell you something, fattest I don't
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  Speaker 2: know about you, but when I would go in to
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  Speaker 2: try case, I.
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  Speaker 1: Would wait until everyone was ready. And I had a
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  Speaker 1: reason for this. The jury. No, I wouldn't come in
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  Speaker 1: after the jury, that's rude. But I would wait till.
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  Speaker 2: The defense was in place, the defendant be it from
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  Speaker 2: jail around, bond was in place, everybody was seated. Why
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  Speaker 2: then I'd go in because I did not want them
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  Speaker 2: speaking to me and throwing off my concentration.
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  Speaker 1: Before I went and waited for the jury comme in,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want to think.
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  Speaker 2: About anything at all other than what I was about
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  Speaker 2: to do. Tunnel vision has to be that way, and
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  Speaker 2: I can just imagine him going to take the podium
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  Speaker 2: and going, hey, here's the divorce papers. Anyway, back to
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  Speaker 2: what happened to Gigi McKelvey, investigative journalist, host of podcasts,
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  Speaker 2: A hit podcast, Pretty Lies and Alibis gg. I want
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  Speaker 2: to get back, not from the speech that got totally ambushed.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get to the day he was murdered.
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  Speaker 2: So he's coming home and what he drives in does
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  Speaker 2: the garage, and the garage goes up and he goes
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  Speaker 2: into the garage.
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  Speaker 1: What happened then? Gigi well, we know that.
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  Speaker 11: Dan was on the phone with a special school that
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  Speaker 11: Wendy wanted to enroll their oldest son, and so he
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  Speaker 11: was actively talking to somebody as this happened. He told
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  Speaker 11: the person on the phone, there's someone unfamiliar to me
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  Speaker 11: in my driveway and he needed to see who that was.
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  Speaker 11: The person on the other end heard maybe a struggle,
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  Speaker 11: heard some loud noises and was asking you okay, and
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  Speaker 11: he could hear groans, and so he tried to call
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  Speaker 11: in text and no response. Obviously, so Gg McKelvey, isn't
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  Speaker 11: it true that the killer apparently followed markel into or
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  Speaker 11: up right behind him, basically trapping him in the garage.
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  Speaker 11: That's correct, pulled up to where he would not have
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  Speaker 11: been able to back out or move in any way
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  Speaker 11: or get out of his car without being face to
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  Speaker 11: face with somebody who was going to kill him.
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  Speaker 2: Ron Bateman joining me, former sheriff and Arundel County, Maryland,
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  Speaker 2: former homicide undercover, an narcotics detective, and author of a
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  Speaker 2: crime trilogy, Silent Blue Tears.
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  Speaker 1: Ron, this is a hit. There's no two ways about it.
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  Speaker 2: There's no sex attack, nothing is stolen, there's not a
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  Speaker 2: carjack nothing. They come up, bam right in the head
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  Speaker 2: and leave.
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  Speaker 1: That's a hit, that's an execution.
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  Speaker 8: Prema sure with malice, the forethought. Absolutely first degree murder
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  Speaker 8: one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: Now another thing, Dave mac joining me, Crime Stories, investigative reporter.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it true that.
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  Speaker 2: Just before he was murdered, Professor Markel was on the
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  Speaker 2: phone with the wife again basically the only person left
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  Speaker 2: standing that hasn't been formally accused of murder. They have
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  Speaker 2: been talking that whole morning, and Markel had left her
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  Speaker 2: a voicemail about wanting to talk about the boys, and
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  Speaker 2: she texted him his plans won't work. Then they argued
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  Speaker 2: about when Wendy could get the children. She was saying
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  Speaker 2: he could keep them a little bit longer and then
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  Speaker 2: he's dead. Isn't that the scenario they're arguing about the
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  Speaker 2: children that morning?
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  Speaker 9: It was a constant discussion between Dan Markel and Wendy
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  Speaker 9: about the children and about when Dan would have time
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  Speaker 9: with them, when he would see them, where he would
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  Speaker 9: see them was a big part of this geography really
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  Speaker 9: plays into this entire case. But yes, Nancy, she kept
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  Speaker 9: him on the phone and distracted all morning.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, guys again, Wendy Adelson has not been charged and
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  Speaker 1: has not.
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  Speaker 2: Been named as a person of interest in her ex
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  Speaker 2: husband's murder.
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  Speaker 1: She is a lawyer, a very good lawyer. She has
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  Speaker 1: not been named a POI or suspect. Okay, what more
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  Speaker 1: do we know? Listen?
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  Speaker 9: After the court prevents Wendy Adelson from moving to South
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  Speaker 9: Florida with the children, Adelson's mother, Donna, suggests the family
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  Speaker 9: offer Markel one million dollars to allow the children to
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  Speaker 9: relocate to South Florida. Donna and husband Harvey will contribute
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  Speaker 9: a third. Charlie Aedelson, Wendy's brother, will contribute a third.
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  Speaker 9: Wendy will pay a third. Donna Adelson also suggests telling
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  Speaker 9: Markel that Wendy Adelson is going to have the boys
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  Speaker 9: converted to Catholicism, Knowing Markell and his family are strict
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  Speaker 9: at Jewish faith. Donna Adelson believes the mere thought of
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  Speaker 9: his children being raised Catholic would convince him to let
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  Speaker 9: the boys move to Miami.
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  Speaker 2: Man talk about down and dirty to doctor Sherry Schwartz,
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  Speaker 2: joining us out of this jurisdiction, I might add forensic
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  Speaker 2: psychologists specializing in capital mitigation and victim advocacy. She has
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  Speaker 2: written multiple books, the one Unlike the Best Criminal Behavior
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  Speaker 2: and the other one where law and psychology intersect, Doctor Sherry,
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us, Doctor Sherry number one.
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  Speaker 2: They try to bribe Markell the mother he's on trial
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  Speaker 2: right now for having her son executed.
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  Speaker 1: The mother in law literally from the gates of Hell.
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  Speaker 1: Of course. Oh yeah, don't.
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  Speaker 2: Be fooled by that, right there. We'll just wait till
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: you hear what we found on those wiretaps. She's presumed
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: innocent until proven guilty. Doctor Sherry number one trying to
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: bribe Marcel, offering him a million dollars a cool.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Meal if he would let the boys.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Relocate from Tallahassee hours away to Miami.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: He's like, hell, no, I want to be with my children.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I don't even want this divorce.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Then, after the bribe didn't work, she allegedly decides to
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: torture him by telling him he is a devout and
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: strict Jew. They're going to tell him that they are
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: having the boys baptized and converted to Catholicism.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Don't you know he did a backflip.
• 20:49
  Speaker 12: Generally speaking, when you're talking about this level of cruelty
• 20:53
  Speaker 12: where it's very similar to characteristics that we see in
• 20:56
  Speaker 12: narcissistic parents. It's all about power, manipulation and control. And
• 21:02
  Speaker 12: when the person the target in this case, mister Markel,
• 21:05
  Speaker 12: doesn't go along with what the narcissist wants, there's a
• 21:09
  Speaker 12: state of narcissistic rage where they will engage in acts
• 21:12
  Speaker 12: of extreme cruelty, such as not just bribery, but threatening
• 21:17
  Speaker 12: that they're going.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: To convert the children to a different religion.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns is joining me, Chief Medical Examiner Terran County,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: that's Fort Worth. He is the esteemed lecturer at the
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Burnett School of Medicine that is at TCU, and he
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: is a star of a brand new hit podcast, Mayhem
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: in the Morgue.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, I want.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: You to hear the trajectory path of the bullet that
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: tore through.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Dan Markel's face. Listen.
• 21:50
  Speaker 9: The Florida criminal law professor was pulling into his driveway
• 21:53
  Speaker 9: and on his cell phone when he was fatally shot.
• 21:56
  Speaker 9: The killer was waiting for Markel outside his home in
• 21:58
  Speaker 9: Tallahassee's been him section then followed Markel into the garage.
• 22:02
  Speaker 9: When he opened it, Markel was shot in the side
• 22:05
  Speaker 9: of the head through the window of his car. The
• 22:07
  Speaker 9: bullet entered just beneath Markell's jawline.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Doctor Kenvill crowns, I'm having my hot tea, but I
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: think I need something a little stronger than that. Did
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: you hear what was just said that the bullet entered
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: just beneath Markel's jaw line. Now let's think this through.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: So he's driving on the left side of his vehicle,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: so it would have been the left jawline just below
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: it and rips through his face and neck.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: And he lived. He lived.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: He was trying to talk, say something to the neighbor
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: and his head was moving around. What happened? And how
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: long could he have endured that before he died?
• 22:51
  Speaker 13: So the gunshown wound of entrance going under his left
• 22:54
  Speaker 13: jawline would be you'd have in this area of your
• 22:58
  Speaker 13: neck the crowded our eat the jugular vein, but if
• 23:01
  Speaker 13: it's a little interior it may miss those, then continue
• 23:05
  Speaker 13: through into the mid section of his neck, which would
• 23:07
  Speaker 13: hit his trachea, his thyroid, and then continue out the
• 23:12
  Speaker 13: right side of his neck again possibly hitting the jugular
• 23:15
  Speaker 13: and crowded. If those two vessels are hit, he's going
• 23:18
  Speaker 13: to survive for minutes. If those two vessels are not hit,
• 23:21
  Speaker 13: he's going to sit there inhaling blood through his damage trachia,
• 23:26
  Speaker 13: unable to speak because the area could involve his vocal
• 23:30
  Speaker 13: cords and then sucking in blood and he could survive
• 23:34
  Speaker 13: for quite a while with that injury. But if it
• 23:39
  Speaker 13: hits the major vessels, he's.
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: Going to do.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: What did you say about sucking in blood?
• 23:44
  Speaker 13: So if he hits, if it hits the trachia area,
• 23:47
  Speaker 13: it'll it'll cause blood to go into the airway or
• 23:50
  Speaker 13: mainsteam bronchus and you'll be sucking in that blood, kind
• 23:54
  Speaker 13: of gasping in the blood. Not able to talk, but
• 23:57
  Speaker 13: just making a noise because your vocal cords or damage,
• 24:00
  Speaker 13: but you're sucking in the blood.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns, do you know what you're saying? Do
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: you ever think about it?
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I mean when I.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Think about Markel, I immediately think about his two boys,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: because one day, whenever they can mentally and emotionally take it,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: they're going to find out the details about how their
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: dad died and they're going to have to find out
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: that their dad was sitting in his car, had been
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: arguing about how much he wanted to see them and
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: be in their lives and be the primary.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Caregiver, and then he ends up with.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: This horrendous injury, pain beyond excruciating to the neck and
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: the face, the head, and.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: He's sucking in his own blood.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, do you ever think about what you're saying
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: or is this like just a clinical announ for you?
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Well, of course I.
• 25:01
  Speaker 13: Think about what I'm saying, But the emotionality of thinking
• 25:05
  Speaker 13: about the individual's life outside of him, of the injuries
• 25:10
  Speaker 13: that I see at autopsy, I try not to think
• 25:13
  Speaker 13: about because if I get wrapped up in the emotion
• 25:15
  Speaker 13: of all of it, I wouldn't be able to do
• 25:17
  Speaker 13: my job. So in a way, yes, it's very clinical
• 25:19
  Speaker 13: to me. You ask me a question, I will give
• 25:22
  Speaker 13: you a clinical answer describing what's injured, not thinking about him,
• 25:26
  Speaker 13: his family, the pain and suffering, et cetera.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: After all the crying, the snotting, the hysterics, the drama
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: in the courtroom, this granny convicted of a hit on
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: her own son in law.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Wow okay. Caught en route to the Noam to avoid extradition.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Donna Adelson has just been moved to a cushy new
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: correctional institute closer to home in South Florida.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: According to officials.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: That would be Homestead, CI, Miami Dade County. It's my
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: understanding her daughter and the grandsons that she killed for
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: now live across the country, but this may make it
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: easier for her husband, who apparently was not part of
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: the murder plot, to come and visit.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: She may be closer to home, but Dan Markel's sons
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: will never share a happy holiday at home with their
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: dad thanks to her.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: The twelve member jury deliberated for approximately three hours before
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: returning a guilty verdict against Donna Adelson. She was found
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: guilty of first degree murder, conspiracy, and solicitation in Dan
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Markel's death. Adelson is the second member of her family
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: to be found guilty in this case. Charley was convicted
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: first to hired killers and to go between also sentenced.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Donna Adelson gasped aloud as the judge read the verdict.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Judge Stephen Everett told Adelson to control herself as she
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: started to cry, instructing her to not have any more
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: outburst in front of the jury. Ruth Markel, Dan's mother,
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: said in her impact statement that Donna Adelson is a curse.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Back to the facts of the case.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Tamara Demco, a very dear friend of Dan Markel's, was
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: living in Tallahassee when Dan was murdered. Tamara, I hardly
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: even know where to start, but why don't we start
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: with the day of the murder, what happened.
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: I did not find out about Jenny being shot until
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: he had already passed. So the nineteenth of July, I
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: received an email from a law school friend that said,
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: I just heard what happened to Dan. Are you okay?
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: And she knew that I was very close to Danny.
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: So I went to Facebook and I looked and I
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: saw the awful news and it was horrifying because he
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: was shot in broad daylight before noon on the eighteenth,
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: a Friday. I was working two miles down the road
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: while my dear friend was being murdered, and the thought
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: was just horrifying. It broke my heart to hear the news,
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: and it was very.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Devastating, Tamara, I think you'll agree with me. Women all
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: over the world only wish their husband would take the
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: children to school in the morning, do the school run.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I happened to love that's my favorite part.
• 28:43
  Speaker 8: Of the day.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: But be involved, play with the children, do something with
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: the children. And I mean, I got lucky because my
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: husband does. But so many women feel that it's all
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: on them. And here's a guy, your friend, Danny Marcel,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: who is fighting tooth and nail for his children. What
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: if anything, do you know about his battle with his
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: wife and his in laws over the children.
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: I think you're absolutely right, Nancy. Danny was just so
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: passionate for life, and he was most passionate about his boys.
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: He was a loyal friend, someone who would go out
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: of his way to see you and to support you,
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: and he was just a blessing to everyone he met.
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: But the boys were his life, and he would even
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: take time out of his schedule to go meet up
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: with the boys just for snack time. That's the kind
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: of dad he was. You'd also see them to sleep
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: at night and he would play with them. He was
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: just a wonderful, wonderful dad, and the boys deserved and
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: still deserved to know him and who he was. The
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: divorce was very contentious.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Well that's one way put up, Tamara. I mean, because
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: did I have those facts right that he goes he's
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: a professor.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: It is FSU correct. Danny Markel was a professor at FSU.
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: Florida State University, correct, and.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Was apparently in the academic world very well regarded.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: He was also devout.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Because Joel woman, I'm diverting away from Tamara, but I
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: want her answer.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Isn't it true that we find.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Out the mother in law, Donna Adelson, she quit work
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: and spent her whole life cultivating her three children like
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: they were hothouse plants, going to the right schools, going
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: to the right camps over the summer, getting this award
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: and that award, and the whole shebang.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: And I'm not detigrading that, I'm applauding that.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: But isn't it true that she tried to get Wendy
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: to bribe Danny with a million dollars to give up
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: the children, essentially let them move seven or eight hours
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: away to be close to her, the grandma. And then
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: when that didn't work, she wanted Wendy to threaten to
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: raise them as Catholics, yeah, and have them baptized and
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: they were devout Jews, thinking that would throw them over
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: the edge. And Wendy, to her credit on that well,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: ostensibly would not do it.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Didn't that happen?
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: Joel Waldman, Nancy, This just shows you how demented the matriarch,
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: Donna Adelson is.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: At the wedding.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: Obviously, prior to all the acrimony, Dan Markel, as he
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: just mentioned, was becoming more and more involved in his Judaism.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: He really wanted a kosher wedding.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: And lo and.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: Behold, at the wedding itself, they pulled all the kosher food.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: It was something that was perplexing to the Markelle family.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: They couldn't understand it. They had friends who are coming
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: who would only eat kosher food. And then as things
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: heated up, and as this to force got more than working.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Whoa whoa Joe?
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Wait, isn't this was this the big wedding with two
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: hundred guests in Boca Raton.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Yes, it is two hundred plus guests.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: And it was in the New York Times. You know
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: how hard it is to get your wedding. I did
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: not try, Jack, You don't look at me that way.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: I was lucky to get it in the making telegraph.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Oh and the headline was something like Grace Secretly Mary's
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: husband converts from that Baptist to methodist. Okay converts anyway,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Something to that effect was in some paper.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Long story short. It was so big it was in
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: the New York Times.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Lavish. Wait, this is the first I've heard that they
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: pulled the kosher food. Who pulled the kosher food?
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: This is the Adelson family. They pulled the kosher food.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: And all the guests there, you know, probably a good
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: portion would only eat kosher food. So there goes the
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: wedding meal for a lot of people.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: And I bet Markel threw a fit like nobody's business.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Nancy.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, Karen Stark's psychologist at karenstark dot com.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Karen with a C. Go Karen, go, go go the.
• 33:08
  Speaker 14: Mother in law.
• 33:09
  Speaker 15: They have given them a wonderful education, but there are
• 33:13
  Speaker 15: no good values of morality that we're talking about. They
• 33:18
  Speaker 15: didn't seem to get that at all. What an outrageous story.
• 33:22
  Speaker 15: You have guests who can.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Eat, Karen, you do know there's been a murder, so
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: let's not get too hung up on the wedding.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Although I agree with you that, I mean, I know.
• 33:37
  Speaker 15: Nance, but you know what, the thing that really gets
• 33:39
  Speaker 15: to me the most beside the murder are the children.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, I agree. Back to the children, thank you.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Let's get the ship right and bask out of the
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: weeds and back on the road.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: And since we're so much on the road and.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: We're out of the wage, Joel Waldman, isn't it also
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: true that there's a third sibling. You've got Wendy, who
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: was married to the murder victim, and to this day
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: everyone insists she knew nothing about the plot by her
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: mother and brother.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: To kill him.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: You got Wendy, you got the brother, Charlie, who's convicted
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: of hiring a hitman to kill his brother in law.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: And you've got a third sibling that was in love
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: with an Indian girl.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Who was Hindu, and the parents, the Adelsons, threw such
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: a fit he broke off married someone that they would accept.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: That marriage fell apart after a couple of years, and
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: he went back to his original first love and they're
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: together today.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Is that right, Joel Waltman?
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: That is one hundred percent correct. There is just such
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: thick irony here. And I have to say this because
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: the podcast is called Surviving the Survivor because my dear
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: mother is a Holocaust survivor, and this Jewish grandmother, Donna Adelson,
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: at one point threatened to have her own Jewish grandchildren
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: march down the streets in Nazi uniforms. Dan Markel was
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: too Jewish. Dan Markel was too Jewish, but Rob Aideolson
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: marrying a non Jewish woman, she was just beside herself.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: So they dug their noses into that relationship. Insisted that
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: Rob Adelson, the now estranged son of the Adelson family,
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: marry a Jewish woman. He did for a short time,
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: he was not in love, and then later he reconnects
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: with this Indian doctor, this woman, and now he is
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: happily married and completely disconnected from the Adelson family.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Dave Ehrenberg, I'm having a hard time believing what I'm hearing.
• 35:36
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it is.
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: Joel is one hundred percent correct. They are not going
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: to win Parents of the Year. There was an article
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: that came out from a supporter of the Adolsons, which
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: was a little suspicious because of the timing. It looks
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: like perhaps it was from a paid supporter, someone who
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: said he's known forever and they would never do something
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: like this. They Nancy Us of the piece, hadn't spoken
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: to the Eelsons in twenty five plus years, hadn't seen
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: them in more than twenty five years, So they don't
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: have a lot of defenders right now, Nancy. And the
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: big question is Donna is guilty? What's the next shoot
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: of ball? Because I don't think prosecutors will be done there.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: You mean, you believe prosecutors are going to go after
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: the father in law, Harvey Adelson, who was with Donna
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Adelson on his way to Vietnam. Didn't he go, hey,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: why are we going to Vietnam? I mean, or why
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: don't we have a one way ticket to Vietnam? We're
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: not coming home?
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: And you know what that is.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that and several of the phone calls that
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: are under suspicion.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Of course, the fans got in on this. Guys.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: We cannot sign off without talking about the bump, okay,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: which I'll get to. But his phone, Harvey Aiedelson's phone,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: took a lot of the phone calls.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Around the time of them. But you know what, let's
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: bring it home. Let's bring it home just a moment.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to our cut to the nine
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: to one one called listen to this.
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: Okay, what's going on with him?
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: The driver's side window is all bashed in and he's
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: got blood all over his head.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: To Tamara Demko, she is a doctor, she is a JD.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: She is an r N.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: She's a Harvard Law school classmate with Danny Markel, she's
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: known since nineteen ninety seven. Was at work a few
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: blocks away when Danny was murdered. When I think of this,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: I know he was brilliant. I know he's a Harvard lawgride.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I know he's a law professor, wrote all sorts of
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: very impressive works of legal acuity.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I know that.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: But a dad so involved, so full of life, it's
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: very hard for me to take in that his own
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: in laws would have him killed.
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: Very hard for me to wrap my mind around that too.
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: I actually grew up in the same town as the Adolphon's.
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: My family's home was a mile away from their home,
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: and I guess lectured for Wendy Adelson and her law
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: school classes. It was really something that I did not
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: want to consider as a possibility, and it's heartbreaking in
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: and of itself.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Samara, of course you were not on Charlie Adelson's The Maestro,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: But now that you were seeing the evidence unfold, what
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: do you think.
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: I think that there was a very concerted effort and
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: a long time planning. I believe the Adelson's or planners.
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: I'm very grateful for everyone who's worked hard for justice
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: in this case, and I firmly believe and hope that
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: justice will continue to happen and will continue to seek
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: it to the point where everyone involved is held accountable,
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: and that a callous disregard for life and the cold
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: calculation of the murder is not something that a self serving.
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: This kind of self serving, premeditated and heinous act should
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: never be viewed as inconsequential and repeated by anyone. And
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: that's the just kind of justice that I'm looking for.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Tamara Demko joining us, did you know Donna Adelson the
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: mother in law.
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: I had been to their home in Coral Springs. I
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: had also been to Wendy's home on Aqua Ridge. And yes,
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: I've met Donna several times. I have had drinks with her,
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: I've had dinner. I've gone to high holiday services with
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: the family as well.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Can you just tell me what she is like, what
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Harvey Aidolson is like, what Charlie Aielson is like.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: There are people, even when.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Confronted with the evidence and it's pretty strong evidence, including
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: fifty six thousand dollars in cash put in the go
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: between account. Charlie Adelson's girlfriend who hired her, who arranged
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: for her common law husband and his friend to do
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: the hit. Her account gets all this money poured into it,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: the hit men get money, and Charlie Adels said, hey,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Dave Erenberg and Joel Waldman, jump in if I've got
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: this wrong.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: There are a lot of meticulous facts in this case.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: But Charlie Adelson had a habit he whenever dealing with
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: cash would staple the money together.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: I've never seen that in my life. And they would
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: get cash stapled together? Is that right, Dave Ereinberg?
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: That is correct. It's like a fingerprint, you know. That
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: was a unique thing that only Charlie did. And and
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: for the defense lawyer, they had a problem. How do
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: you explain that the killers had in their possess to
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: these stapled stacks of bills? How do you explain it? Well, Charlie,
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: I think they built his defense around that where he
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: tried to explain it by saying that he was the
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: victim of an extortion plot and that's why he had
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: to pay the killers or else they would kill him
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: and his family. Of course, it didn't make any sense.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Then how come he's still alive?
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: Well, And that's and also thirn'd how extortion works where
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: the killers go and first murder your enemy, and then
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: they come back and they say, Okay, we've killed your enemy.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: Now we're going to kill you and your family unless
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: you pay up. Why not just skip ahead to just
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: say pay us or we're going to kill you in
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: your family. So none of this made any sense.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: He hated Dan Markel, correct, Charlie Aielsen hated Dan Markel.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: So that's theory is completely bast awkwards exactly.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: It made no sense and the jurors didn't buy it either.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Tomorrow, demco back to you, I was asking.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: You what were they like specifically Donna.
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: Donna seemed like an involved and loving mom. She was
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: great to have to chat conversations with, and she was
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: very proud of her children, very much involved with the
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: grandchildren as well. I think from the surface level, they
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: seemed like a normal family. If you were to go
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: to their home in Coral Springs, there are pictures up
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: on the wall of the kids. She spent a lot
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: of time supporting Wendy there was nothing abnormal on the surface.
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: I would say that Harvey. Harvey always came across as
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: a little bit more quiet, but certainly friendly, and Charlie
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: was very lively. He was always on the go and
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: enjoyed partying quite a bit.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Dave Ahremberg joining US Palm Beach County State attorney and
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: friend of Danny Marcel.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: He has been reading Charlie.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Charlie Adelson has been referred to as thinking he was
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: James Bond, but in fact he's a periodontist.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: What does that mean.
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm from South Florida, and Joel and Tamrek would
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: say that's not that uncommon. He loved the fast life
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: with his ferrari and his fast women and his clubbing
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: lifestyle and drugs, and he was well known that he
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: was involved with steroids. And here was a guy who
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: was a nerd back in high school who then became
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: this wealthy, flashy, fast living guy who thought that he
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: could get away with murder. And that's the kind of
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: person who would commit this kind of crime because people said,
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: why do you think you could get away with it? Well,
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: when you're hopped up on steroids and you think that
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: you're smarter than everyone else. Yeah, you think you're above
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: the law and you wouldn't get caught. And it took
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: nine plus years for there to be justice for Charlie
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: and the FBI.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: God bless the FBI, God bless them. Look, I wasn't
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: fed for three years. I hate the federal government.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Except the irs. I love you. Please don't look.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: At me, Joel Waldman, could you please explain what I'm
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: talking about? As the bump, Charlie Adelson would never have
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: been convicted are murdering his brother in law over visitation
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: with Grandma, and Donna Adelson would not be in a
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: jail seale up in her seventies trying to flee to
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Vietnam right now if it hadn't been for wire taps
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: and shruptitious recordings. One of the most amazing ones that
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: actually worked, Joel Waldman. And I'm gonna hear from Robert
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Crispin and doctor Gorniac, renowned forensic pathologist. I want to
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: circle back to doctor Gorniac what Danny marcel experienceerienced. I
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: guess when the neighbor came up, he was still rolling
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: his head around and moving, which in my mind means
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: he was suffering after he was shot Joel Waldman. As
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: it's called the Bump. If Adelson's had kept their traps shut,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: they wouldn't be in jail right now. Tell me about
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: the bump as it is called.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: So the Bump is now an infamous FBI sting. So
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: the FEDS got involved once this case started to move
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: and they thought that the Adelsons were possibly involved. So
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: it's interesting you bring it up. I just did a
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: tour for my podcast to the location where the bump happened,
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: and it happened to take place right in front of
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: where the Adolsons were living.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: And it's an iconic, the iconic, the icon yeah, the
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: icon yes, yes.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: And it's a very lavish building. I think units started
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: around two million dollars.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: So whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa the icon condo, the unit
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: started two million dollars.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: That is correct, Nancy, Welcome to Miami. Yes, and it's
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: interesting this tour I did. I was curious to see
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: these different spots. So I also went by Charlie Adelson's.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Howsh wait a minute, did you video that I did.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: It's on my website on the YouTube channel.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Oh so we can see I can't wait to say this, Okay,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: go ahead.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So Charlie's house is nothing like what you would expect.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: It's sort of a rundown home right off the highway.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: And keep in mind, this is a guy who in
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: court admitted that he was making three and a half
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: million dollars a year between twenty fourteen and twenty eighteen.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: So that goes back to the James Bond question because
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: that is not really the salary of the periodontis. But
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: we do know through these wiretaps that he was illicitly
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: dealing steroids as well. But back to the bump. So
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: this bump happened right in front of this Icon building
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: in South Beach. It's a beautiful area. You can literally
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: this is what's so sad. You can literally take a
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: stone from where the bump happened and throw it and
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: hit the school that the two Markelle children attended. And
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: Donna was on her way to pick up her grandchildren.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: You mean, after they killed Danny Markel and move the
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: children down to South Florida, right, that's where they're going
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: to school.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: And change their name from Markel to Adelson. So these
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: two young boys have are gonna have a lot a
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: lot and Nancy, I know, you know this, you know firsthand,
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: a lot of grieving to deal with and a lot
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: of you know, understanding about what happened to their family
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: as they become these young teens that they.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Are now not only changed their last name from Markel
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: back to Adelson, the maiden name of the mom, but
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: took away the oldest son's middle.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Name, which had been the Hebrew name of Dan Markel's grandma.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Right, so all trace of Dan Markel has been removed
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: from their life.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: It's it's difficult to process, it really is. So this
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: you know, this bump happened literally across the street from
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: the school that they were attending at the time, and
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: ultimately when they got the you know that video and audio,
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: there's no doubt that that is, you know, a big
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: piece of evidence that influenced jurors. And then there's one
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: other piece of audio from a restaurant, the so called
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: Dulce Vita tapes that have the middle woman Katie mcbanawa
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: and Charlie Adelson talking. So it's a combination of this.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Not only has the gruesome Granny gotten a cushy you
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: living arrangement closer to home. Donna Adelson has now filed
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: a notice she is appealing pre trial and evidentiary rulings,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: as well as her guilty verdict and life sentence.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I warned you this was going to happen.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: She's got nothing to do behind bars except fester and
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: think about how she can get from behind bars. I
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: guarantee you she's not thinking about her murder victim Dan Markel,
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: or how this has affected her grandchildren, never having their
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: father in their life ever again.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: And this is why jurors heard from Adelson's oldest son,
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: doctor Robert Adelson, an ear nose and throat specialist. The
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: mother and son are estranged. He described his mother as
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: controlling and said she hated Dan Markel. Adelson, seventy five,
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: did not take the witness stand in her own defense.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: After the guilty verdict was read, Adelson shouted, oh my God,
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: breaking down in tears. The judge admonished Adelson to control herself,
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: then ordered the jury out, giving Adelson a two minute
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: break to collect herself.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: This is the trial of the monster in law, the
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: suspect who ordered the hit, according to prosecutors, to murder
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: her son in law. Because he would not let his
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: children move eight hours away to live.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Crime story.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: I wonder what's great after trying to brind him for
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: a million dollars, threaten to indoctrinate the boys in another religion,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: A plot unfold.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: I haven't even gotten to all the wire taps. You
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: know what. You're going to totally wig when you hear this.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: But let's take a step by step because it can
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: get complicated.
• 50:21
  Speaker 9: Listen, Charlie Aedelson, brother of Wendy Aedelson, uses his girlfriend
• 50:25
  Speaker 9: Katherine mcbanawah, to arrange a murder for hire, using the
• 50:29
  Speaker 9: father of her two children, Sigfredo Garcia, and his friend
• 50:32
  Speaker 9: Louis Rivera, to kill Dan Markel. The end result that
• 50:36
  Speaker 9: Wendy Aedelson can move her two children too South Florida
• 50:39
  Speaker 9: near her family. Exactly what happened when Dan Markell was killed?
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: What happened when you got to the driveway of Dan markll.
• 50:50
  Speaker 14: Weight behind him and jumped out, and show.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: How many times did Garcia shoot mister Mordell cole Blood
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: cold Blood.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Gig McKelvey joining US investigative journalist star of Pretty Lies
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: and Alibis podcast. Gigi's been on the case from the
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: very very beginning, Gig cold, what I mean? He just
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: rattled off, how many times you shoot him twice? He
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: doesn't care about the children, He doesn't care about Markel's family.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Devastated family twice. Okay, forget about that. Let me talk
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: to you about the plot. Let me understand. Wendy Adelson,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: the mother of the children, the one that got the divorce.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: The lawyer, Wendy Adelson's brother. He decides to intervene, and
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: he gets his girlfriend, Katherine Magbwana to.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Arrange a hit. And the hit men are.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: The father of her Sigfredo Garcia, and his friend Louise Rivera. Okay,
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: there is Catherine Magbonwa and the father of her children,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Sigfreda Garcia and his buddy Luis Rivera.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, tell me.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: How that whole thing went down, Gigi. And isn't it
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: quite the coincidence? Isn't it odd that everybody around Wendy
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Adelson is dropping like flies now her mother is on trial,
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: but she is unscathed. Neither person of interest or suspect.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Tell me how this whole thing went down with the
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: girlfriend with Charlie Adelson's girlfriend, Man, she must have been
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: a piece of work. Because when I think of hit man,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think, hey, I'll ask my husband.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: To get some of his low life friends to pull
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: off a hit.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: You know, they're not all as in priests and virgins, Gigi,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: birds of.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: A feather, you know the rest.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: So he thinks his girlfriend can arrange a murder and
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: guess what she does.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's essentially what happened.
• 53:00
  Speaker 11: And it was pretty soon after they started seeing each
• 53:03
  Speaker 11: other at Halloween party where they're getting in their car
• 53:07
  Speaker 11: to leave, and he just asked her, Hey, do you
• 53:09
  Speaker 11: know anybody that would hurt somebody? And she said yes
• 53:13
  Speaker 11: and left it there. And it wasn't until later on
• 53:16
  Speaker 11: when the relocation was a big issue with Donna, and
• 53:21
  Speaker 11: we're going to hear that on these wiretap calls as
• 53:24
  Speaker 11: this trial progresses.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: It was getting fever pitch.
• 53:27
  Speaker 11: I don't think Charlie cared where Wendy and the boys lived.
• 53:30
  Speaker 11: He's a playboy making millions of dollars every year, but
• 53:35
  Speaker 11: it was important to Donna. And as time went on
• 53:38
  Speaker 11: and Donna got more frantic and more obsessed with the
• 53:41
  Speaker 11: location issue, he finally went to her and said, we
• 53:44
  Speaker 11: need to get this done. That is when she went
• 53:47
  Speaker 11: to her baby daddy, Sigfredo Garcia, and proposed, would you
• 53:52
  Speaker 11: like to make some money to take care of somebody?
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: And he said yes.
• 53:56
  Speaker 11: After that he got his childhood friend Luis Rivera, who
• 54:00
  Speaker 11: was the leader of the Miami sector of the Latin Kings,
• 54:04
  Speaker 11: to come along as a ride along essentially, and that's
• 54:08
  Speaker 11: where the plot started.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: So Charlie Adelson aka the Maestro, who is Wendy Adolson?
• 54:17
  Speaker 14: Ah?
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: There he is?
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: What a fine figure of a man, vanity plate maestro?
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Okay whatever?
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: So how is he making so much money? Hand over fishgg?
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: How much money are we talking about? What did you
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: do for a living?
• 54:32
  Speaker 11: He's a periodontist, so that's a dental surgeon. Harvey, the
• 54:36
  Speaker 11: father was only a dentist and owned the Adolson Institute,
• 54:40
  Speaker 11: which is their family dental practice. But Charlie would also
• 54:44
  Speaker 11: travel around South Florida and do day work at these
• 54:47
  Speaker 11: other dental offices and he got paid a lot of money.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Also, the family preferred.
• 54:53
  Speaker 11: Cash payments as opposed to credit card payments. Charlie was
• 54:57
  Speaker 11: notorious for having a safe with stacks of one hundred
• 55:02
  Speaker 11: bills in there. But Charlie, yeah, he was driving around
• 55:06
  Speaker 11: supercars he had a boat throwing money out left and right, and.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: He had to meet with a supercar.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: The last thing I want is a man pulling up
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: in an expensive car. I mean a guy pulls up
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: in a Lamborghini.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: I'm like, bye bye. You know what that means to me?
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: That means he's having a.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: Midlife crisis, or he feels like he's got to have
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: a really expensive car to impress people, because obviously his
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: personality and intellect don't cut it. So not interested. My
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: husband drives a beat up SUV.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Beat up, totally beat up, and he doesn't care.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: That's what I like about him. So this guy, what
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: kind of car is a supercar? Charlie Adelson? I believe
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: he had a Lamborghini. If I recall correctly.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: It must have been why I said Lamborghini.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, I could just see him driving up now the
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: strip in Miami in his Lamborghini Maestro on his vanity.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: So who's doctor Bubner? B B N E R Who?
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Dave Mac? Who's doctor Bubner? I noticed that you, Dave
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Mac keep talking about doctor Bubner, and I'm wondering why
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: he just love to say Bubner?
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Who is that?
• 56:26
  Speaker 9: Doctor Bubner is a Miami doctor who is a breast
• 56:32
  Speaker 9: augmentation specialist, and he refers to himself first as doctor Bubner,
• 56:38
  Speaker 9: and then of course his patients are so happy with
• 56:41
  Speaker 9: the results that they in turn call him doctor Bubner and.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Uh, okay, great, what does he have to do with
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: this case?
• 56:48
  Speaker 9: He's like the missing link in the Dan Markel murder mystery,
• 56:53
  Speaker 9: if you want to call it. That the prosecutors that
• 56:56
  Speaker 9: were investigating the case, they actually were able to high
• 57:01
  Speaker 9: end doctor Bubner between Katherine macbanawa and Charlie Adelson, and
• 57:10
  Speaker 9: that he did Katherine Macbanawa's breast augmentation surgery as part
• 57:17
  Speaker 9: of the payment she got from Charlie Adelson for helping.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: Star's wait stop stop stop stop stop place play speak
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: no more?
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Are you hearing this, fattus?
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: I assume, fattus, you've seen the series of moodies called
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: The Apple Dumpling Gang. Okay, Scott don Nott's and others
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: in it. Yeah, you need to see that. I shout
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: it to the children. But I think the title says
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: it all. So the go between Katherine mcbanoa, who set
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: up the hit for Charlie Adelson for his mother, or
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: the monster in law got paid with a.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: Breast lift implants.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: I'm so happy right now because that's not hard to trace, right,
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: he paid her with knee bress a and me.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Right right, Nancy.
• 58:09
  Speaker 10: But the key there is Charlie paid her. Charlie paid her,
• 58:13
  Speaker 10: not not Donna. It's not Donna fronting the bill for
• 58:16
  Speaker 10: this new press. And so what we're talking about is
• 58:19
  Speaker 10: is certainly this uh you know, copt of folks who are.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Conspiring with one another.
• 58:24
  Speaker 10: And then we have Donna Adelson, who, according to the fence,
• 58:27
  Speaker 10: is just kind of a protective grandma, protective.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Mother tried the million dollar bribe. Did you not hear
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: you need to turn up your hearing aids?
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Did you not hear? GJ.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: McKelvey just say, Charlie Aielson didn't give a flying fig
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: where those boys lived. He only did it because his
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: mother drove him insane to do it. He doesn't care.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: He didn't have a dog in that fight and no
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: skin in the game. He did it because his mother
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: would not leave him alone. He didn't care about the boys.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: But to say that that pause this murder for higher
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: plot is a logical leap that I'm not sure the
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: evidence has supported yet. And so you know, I just
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: think that's a bit of a stretch.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: The prosecutor.
• 59:11
  Speaker 10: They've already got their pound of flesh with the four
• 59:13
  Speaker 10: other convictions, and in defense of saying leave.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: This okay, wait a.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Minute, you're talking about the conviction of the brother, the playboy,
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: Lamborghini Brother aka Maestro, the girlfriend with the breastlift, Katherine
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: may Banoi, the hit man, and his gang cohort.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Those four have been convicted.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: None of them care about where the boys live. The
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: only one that cares is Donna eight oldson. Catherine mcbanoi
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: testifies under oath about how Charlie Adelson couldn't take a
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: link without Mommy saying okay, you can go.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: So this was like a regular part of the way
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: this worked.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 9: Whenever this conversation came out, he yes, we consult his
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 9: mother and come back.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 14: And speak to you, and Jack is an.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 9: Investigators use an undercover agent to make contact with Donna Adelson.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 9: The agent hands Donna Adelson a press release of Markel's murder,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 9: asks Adelson for five thousand dollars, and provides a phone number.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 9: Investigators intercepted called Donna Adelson makes to Charlie, asking him
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 9: to meet with her. About paperwork hand delivered to her
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 9: outside her condo. Charlie asks if it involves him, and
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 9: Donna says probably both of us. Donna says she doesn't
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 9: want to discuss this on the phone. Investigators continue to
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 9: intercept calls. This time Charlie tells mom not to talk
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 9: about things in the apartment. Adelson asked his mother what
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 9: the letter asked for. Donna says this TV is probably
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 9: about five. Charlie asks if they ask for five thousand dollars.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 9: Donna Adelson responds affirmatively. Adlson calls Katherine mag Banawa and
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 9: explains someone approached his mother regarding her son and his
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 9: ex girlfriend and asking for money. Investigators record Adolson saying
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 9: to mac Baniwa, my mom doesn't know these guys. He says,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 9: paying someone off is not an admission of guilt. Conversations
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 9: continue between Charlie Aedelson, Donna Adelson, Katherine Macbanawa, and see
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 9: Fredo Garcia, all monitored by investigators.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: You know Eric Fattus's worst nightmare is a wire tab
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: hey or.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: An undercover agent.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: Eric Fattus, did you hear that an undercover agent approaches.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Adolson on the street.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: He's got a press release or an article about Markel's
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: murder and says, hey, you owe me five thousand dollars.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: I have info on you and your son.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: What does she do? John? Call police? She calls her
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: son and goes, don't talk on the phone and.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Makes us some crazy jargon to tell him a bribe
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: of five thousand.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Dollars she has just been put to her, and they go.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Don't when somebody says don't talk on the phone, you
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: know it's something bad, or don't put it in writing,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: you don't want to leave a trail, And that's what
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: she says.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 10: Well, hey, what it could be. It sounds a little
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 10: bit like entrapman. It sounds a little bit like government overreach.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 10: It sounds a little bit like Charlie Edelson was involved
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 10: in some misdeeds and the government's trying to rope in
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 10: somebody who did not have any direct involvement.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Look, the mother may have known.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 10: That Charlie Adamson did what he did and may have
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 10: wanted to talk with him about that.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: None of that is criminal.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 10: And the fact that she says, oh, it involves both
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 10: of us, Well, she's the one who received the document
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 10: and received the bump, which was this surreptitious encounter, and
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 10: so hey, look, you know, calling your son to talk
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 10: about it.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: Is not crime.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: You know what when you say things like Ron Bateman
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: come out, you know.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: Let's school Eric Fattis.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: If it's possible Bateman, former sheriff, author, homicide undercover.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: You name it Bateman. When I hear the.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: Words don't talk on the phone or don't talk in
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: the apartment, why not talk in your apartment?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: If some guy I don't know literally bump sent to
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: me on the.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: Street and tries to extract five grand from me, I'm
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: calling police.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: But neither one of them call police. In fact, they
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: don't talk on the phone all that started.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 8: Let me talk about that for one second.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: I've been in those positions.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 8: I have been the undercover guy.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: I have been the hit.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 8: Guy for a relationship that went bad. And I was
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 8: the guy on the phone during the undercover call in
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 8: this case with a wife. And it is so funny
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 8: and being undercovered narcotics detector for a long time and
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 8: got into this role as a hit man.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: People always talk.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 8: On the phone. They try to talk in code, and
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 8: I was talking in code to this one particular lady.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 8: It's just so funny. They are not as diabolical with
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 8: their planning of a murder like people think they should be.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 8: I had Maryland's first life without parole case ever happened,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 8: and it was a contract murder involving a wife and
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 8: a husband. Totally different case where I was the undercover hitman.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 8: But again, it's just so funny how just things just
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 8: crumple down. And the worst thing that you can have
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 8: in any kind of crime is another person. And if
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 8: there's another person, which in this case there are several,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 8: they'll altern on each other, which obviously in this case
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 8: they have what I call in this case, and I
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 8: don't know if I've coined this I it's my own
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 8: thing or not, but it's relationship terrorism, like that bomb
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 8: that was dropped on the husband before he went for
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 8: the speaking engagement. And then these guys here, the Garcia
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 8: and Rivera. I mean, come on, you think there's no
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 8: ring cameras across the street or at the front of
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 8: the house. I mean, come on, it's just just it's
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 8: so And now.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: It culminates from the hitmen to the breastlift.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: As payment for setting up the hit, to.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: The son, the brother Charlie Adelson, to the mother Donna Adelson.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: Now the only one unscathed is Wendy Adelson, and all
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: of this, according to prosecutors, was for her.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: She says she knew nothing of it.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: And speaking of Donna Adelson, she came this close, this
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: close to getting out of the country and going to
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: a non extradition jurisdiction, specifically the Nam caught at the airport.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: Listen, this is a sweetheart.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 14: Let's go just get away, just get away somewhere so
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 14: we could have it.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: Times to think.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 10: Okay, So your testimony is that you weren't trying to
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 10: go to Vietnam because you wouldn't be able to be
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 10: extradited from there.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 14: So my husband actually had said, you know, we've been
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 14: to Vietnam before with friends, we were on vacation, and
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 14: it really was like a place of peace. And so
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 14: he said, if we go to an noun extradition country,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 14: then if the law enforcement decided that they wanted to
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 14: arrest you or maybe whatever both he said, then he said,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 14: we won't be sitting in a foreign prison waiting months
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 14: to go back. We could buy a ticket and we
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 14: could go home. And my understanding was that I could
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 14: go home and I could turn myself in if that's
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 14: what they wanted.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how it typically does not work.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: You go to a non extradition country and then when
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: the cops want to arrest you just come home. Okay.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: That is what we call in the law flight as
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: evidence of guilt. You leave the scene of the crime,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: or you leave before you can get caught. Everyone is
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: wondering what else was heard on those tapped phone calls
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: to gg McKelvey. We have been listening to Ellie on
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: the stand now going on two days.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: What did they say?
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 11: They pretty much went through a couple of calls, initially
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 11: about Wendy, and I think what the prosecution was trying
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 11: to do was show that Donna was complaining about relationships
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 11: and jobs that Wendy had chosen, and she was having
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 11: Charlie do her bidding for her. You need to talk
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 11: to your sister, talker out of this, you need to
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 11: talk her into this. So I think the first couple
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 11: of calls that's what that was for. Then we get
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 11: into those bump calls that we've been talking about, where
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 11: there's panic.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: You know, Donna's not wanting to say much.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 11: Charlie notoriously repeats himself in these wiretap calls. But it's
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 11: what we're hearing is the absence of the question, which,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 11: ex Girlfriend, what is five thousand dollars? Why is this
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 11: random guy handing me some article about Dan on the street?
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: What is going on?
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 11: No police called nothing at all except that phone call
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 11: right after that, Charlie, we need to have dinner. This
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 11: involves the two of us. The TV was about five
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 11: and they have determined over the course of these wiretaps,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 11: TV is code for murder.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 9: Jeffery Lecash was dating Wendy Aedelson around the time of
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 9: Dan's murder and says he felt like he was being
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 9: framed as the possible killer. Lacas says Wendy pushed for
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 9: details about an upcoming trip to Atlanta on July eighteenth,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 9: when he was leaving direction of travel. Turns out the
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 9: killers rented a are similar in color and style to
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 9: La Cass gray Nissan Sentra and travel in the same
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 9: direction as La Cass as they head out of town.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 9: He also notes he had plans to travel that route
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 9: the same morning in June twenty fourteen that the hitman
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 9: arrived in Tallahassee. During their first attempt to kill Markel.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 9: JJ mccalveny, joining US investigative journalist. So Wendy Adelson's boyfriend.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: Thought her family, including her, was trying to set him
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: up to take the fall for the murder.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 11: Absolutely, and he told a story that would support that.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 11: He and Wendy actually were on a break at her request.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 11: She had just got back from a ten weeks day
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 11: in Miami, and they met up and she said, look,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 11: you know, I really just want some days alone. And
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 11: this is at the time that the actual murder happened.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 11: They met up one last time and as they're going
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 11: to their car, she turns and asks him about his
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 11: that was happening the next day, Hey, what would cause
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 11: you not to go on your trip? Which way are
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 11: you going? And he thought it was odd, and so
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 11: he goes on about his day and come to find
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 11: out both times, the first attempt that happened in June,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 11: that law enforcement did not know about, in fact, until
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 11: Luis Rivera told them in his profer they were int
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 11: a car very similar to Jeff Lacass's. And I don't
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 11: think it's much of a coincidence that on two separate
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 11: trips in two separate months, when the killers are in town,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 11: that's when jeff lacass scheduled to go out. He would
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 11: have taken a route that would have went very near
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 11: Dan Markel's house about the same time that the two
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 11: hitmen would have been fleeing the area after the shooting.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 11: I absolutely think they tried to set Jeff up because
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 11: it would be easy. He disliked Dan because he adopted
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 11: the adlesim way of thinking about Dan at the time
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 11: he was with Wendy.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: That's what you do.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 11: Sometimes when you're in relationships. So it could have been
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 11: the perfect storm for him. But thank goodness, he was
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 11: able to prove more.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: Isn't there other than brainwashing?
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: The boyfriend Dave mac I'm interested, I'm curious about a conversation.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: According to the boyfriend, Jeffrey Lacasse. He says, Wendy Adelson,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: the mom of the boys, Dan Markel's wife that wanted
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: the divorce and moved the boys away. Wendy Adelson, according
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: to Lacas, says, and I'm reading it verbatim. Can I
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: tell you something confidentially? Last summer, my brother looked into
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: all options possible to take care of the Danny Markel problem,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: including hiring a hitman, and it would cost about fifteen
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars. Okay. Then there was a question is this
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: some kind of joke Charlie made? And the boyfriend says,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: this was no joke.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 9: Jeff Lecash actually has already testified Nancy, and he broke
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 9: this all out Georgia Kaplman when the prosecutors actually was
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 9: able to bring this out of him, and she even
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 9: went back to, what was this a joke? Kind of
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 9: like how Charlie blew off the TV as a divorce
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 9: president kind of thing as a joke, and he was like, no,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 9: this is not a joke, because think about it in context, Nancy,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 9: You've got Wendy Adels and volunteering that Charlie came up
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 9: with a plan and it would cost fifteen grand. That's
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 9: beyond joking.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: That's not an off handed comment.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 9: That is a very firm I got to get this
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 9: off my chest kind of thing.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: And she did, you know what, And I don't care
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: how angry I get at my husband. If someone said, hey,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a TV as a divorce present,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: it's cheaper than a hit man, they would get a
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: total knuckles sandwich. Okay, But according to what the boyfriend
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: says this was no Joe. And let me remind everyone,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: Wendy Adelson has not been charged. She is not a
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: person of interest in the murder grus. Granny Donna Adelson
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: will not go away. In the last day, She's gotten
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: a transfer to a Miami Dade see I correctional institution
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: closer to home. Not only that, she vows to appeal
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: evidentiary hearings, pre trial motions and her guilty verdict and
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: her life sentence. Woman go away, go think about Dan Markel.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend.