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Once-A-Week Podcast: When Should A Fight Be Stopped? · Big Dog Lukie Boxing Podcast

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SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the once a week podcast brought to you by you
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SPEAKER_00: and I'm monitoring my own podcast and another thing which isn't great.
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SPEAKER_00: Today I'm going to start off with the opening topic and I've ran through all
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SPEAKER_00: of my great questions I got this week.
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SPEAKER_00: A little down for the count,
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SPEAKER_00: a little physically, I wouldn't say sick, but just physically drained and tired.
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SPEAKER_00: So the once a week podcast is coming out a little earlier
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SPEAKER_00: because I don't really have a ton to do today and I'm just putting it out.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's what it is.
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SPEAKER_00: If you had extra questions, maybe we will get a, um,
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SPEAKER_00: A podcast later this week, a paywall podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: In theory, it should be a pretty good fight week.
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SPEAKER_00: So there more than likely will be a Friday podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'll take your best questions that day.
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SPEAKER_00: But I do think I got some very good ones.
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SPEAKER_00: So I don't think you'll feel cheated.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's start with my big topic.
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SPEAKER_00: And it is when is a stoppage too soon?
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SPEAKER_00: And it's a great and timely question because we saw possibly two examples of
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SPEAKER_00: when stoppages happen too soon.
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SPEAKER_00: But in two different
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SPEAKER_00: In the case of Fabio Wardley,
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SPEAKER_00: I think that after the fact,
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SPEAKER_00: my suspicions I had,
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SPEAKER_00: which I'm controversially, I don't love being right about boxing all the time.
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SPEAKER_00: I love the magic of boxing.
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SPEAKER_00: I love being wrong.
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SPEAKER_00: There's intrigue to that.
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SPEAKER_00: There's excitement around not always getting it right.
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SPEAKER_00: That's what keeps me coming back.
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SPEAKER_00: But with that fight, my suspicions were kind of confirmed.
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SPEAKER_00: And what I was worried about is,
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SPEAKER_00: Wardley, and I said this on the podcast, but Wardley had taken a lot of damage.
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SPEAKER_00: And then you come back to training camp more than likely a month and a half
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SPEAKER_00: to two months after the most brutal beating.
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SPEAKER_00: And there's physical effects, there's mental effects.
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SPEAKER_00: There's just a lot that weighs into coming back from a bad stoppage.
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SPEAKER_00: And then you're going in with the guy that Did it to you.
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SPEAKER_00: You probably started as good as you could have started in that fight.
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SPEAKER_00: And, you know,
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SPEAKER_00: now in the second fight,
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SPEAKER_00: the fight basically was over with the first right hand that Dubois landed and then
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SPEAKER_00: the fight just went downhill.
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SPEAKER_00: Looked like Oh,
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SPEAKER_00: my like second or third viewing of the fight that Wardley was just trying
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SPEAKER_00: to circle out right,
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SPEAKER_00: land a big right hand and Dubois was just patient, jab right hand catches him.
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SPEAKER_00: And then the fight's essentially over because Wardley's willingness to exchange was gone.
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SPEAKER_00: He was more so there just trying to ride out a storm and that storm was just too big.
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SPEAKER_00: It was like that movie, The Perfect Storm.
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SPEAKER_00: So in that instance, I saw a lot of people going, well, the towel came in too soon.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's like, that's,
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SPEAKER_00: I think with no,
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SPEAKER_00: No knowledge of the team,
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SPEAKER_00: but you have to think this fight was taken partially because of the large amount
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SPEAKER_00: of money that was on the table for Wardley.
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SPEAKER_00: And Wardley couldn't say no to it because it was such a big opportunity.
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SPEAKER_00: And the fighting spirit he has,
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SPEAKER_00: there's no way he's going to be like, okay,
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SPEAKER_00: there's this big sum of money and I can get my rematch with the guy that beat me.
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SPEAKER_00: And management and whatever helped decide that, right?
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SPEAKER_00: But if you're a trainer and Ben Davison and his team,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm sure you're confident you're going to win.
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SPEAKER_00: But in the back of your mind,
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SPEAKER_00: you're also probably thinking this dude just took a lot of punches in
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SPEAKER_00: the first fight.
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SPEAKER_00: And if this fight starts to get out of control,
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SPEAKER_00: what was the criticism with Davison in the first fight was,
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SPEAKER_00: oh, he threw the towel in too soon.
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SPEAKER_00: In the second fight, now he, or he threw it in too late.
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SPEAKER_00: In the second fight, oh, he threw it in too soon.
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SPEAKER_00: We got to pick which way it is, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Because in the first fight,
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SPEAKER_00: I think Davison Gave him every benefit of the doubt because he had always kind
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SPEAKER_00: of rallied back late and then it was too much.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think that beating kind of changed hardly for the rest of his career.
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SPEAKER_00: For this fight,
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SPEAKER_00: he gave him no benefit of the doubt because it just simply looked like a tired,
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SPEAKER_00: older fighter who was exhausted from a brutal first fight.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm not mad at it, but I feel as though people expected a fight that wasn't going to happen.
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SPEAKER_00: And that comes down to like, you know, physical bodies are different, you know, people, people.
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SPEAKER_00: Respond to punches differently.
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SPEAKER_00: And there is a fatigue coming off of these huge fights that sets into your body and
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SPEAKER_00: a depression and all different types of things.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think that people were too willing to just be like,
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SPEAKER_00: dude, the first fight was a good fight.
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SPEAKER_00: This is this rematch is going to be electric.
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SPEAKER_00: And what happened is Dubois is just a bad matchup.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think it comes down to what I brought brought up is Even
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SPEAKER_00: when Dubois loses focus,
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SPEAKER_00: his big thing is he has a really good jab and he jabs under duress and he has
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SPEAKER_00: a really good right hand.
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SPEAKER_00: He has limitations,
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SPEAKER_00: but that's kind of his thing is that he jabs with you and throws a right hand.
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SPEAKER_00: And, you know, Wardley kind of thrives in chaos when guys go away from fundamentals.
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SPEAKER_00: So I wasn't mad at that stoppage and I honestly wasn't mad at
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SPEAKER_00: the Erlam Hadjabij stoppage either, which came at the last second.
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SPEAKER_00: With Fendora,
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SPEAKER_00: because after the seventh round,
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SPEAKER_00: it felt inevitable that Fendora was going to win the fight.
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SPEAKER_00: Now it was just a moral victory.
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SPEAKER_00: And it always feels like when a guy that you've never heard of fights
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SPEAKER_00: a highly ranked fighter and you assume that the fight's going
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SPEAKER_00: to be like just dominant and it's going to be an easy win,
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SPEAKER_00: that the fight always turns out to be some bullcrap.
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SPEAKER_00: Just how it always feels like it goes.
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SPEAKER_00: And, you know, that frustration to me...
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SPEAKER_00: And that experience, right?
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SPEAKER_00: I sort of expected this to be a 12-round decision.
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SPEAKER_00: And by all accounts, it could have been.
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SPEAKER_00: But I also think that it's the emotion of the moment and fighters being fighters
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SPEAKER_00: where they wanted I wanted to see the guy that lasted every bit of the fight,
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SPEAKER_00: except for one second,
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SPEAKER_00: get the fighters nod of he made it all the way to the final bell.
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SPEAKER_00: And there is something to that.
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SPEAKER_00: And I get that there's financial benefits that can come with that and other things.
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SPEAKER_00: But I think the other thing that no one talks about with Thomas Taylor,
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SPEAKER_00: and I get the frustration because it was a very emotional finish.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like he gets dropped,
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SPEAKER_00: he gets to his feet,
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SPEAKER_00: Taylor makes a split second decision and says, okay, you're not good.
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SPEAKER_00: It kind of felt like a letdown that he should have given him that,
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SPEAKER_00: okay, you lost unanimous decision as opposed to a knockout in the very last second.
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SPEAKER_00: One thing that I'll say is Thomas Taylor's job is to look at the fighter void of context.
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SPEAKER_00: You have to look at what's going on in that very second and assess it
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SPEAKER_00: without saying, okay, the fight's over, this and that.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm not in the ring.
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SPEAKER_00: So for all we know, That could have been the right decision.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think we just live in an era where emotions are high.
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SPEAKER_00: It was, you know,
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SPEAKER_00: I think that Fendora,
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SPEAKER_00: it was a disappointing performance for him because obviously
7:26
SPEAKER_00: when you fight someone who's not critically acclaimed,
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SPEAKER_00: it's probably going to be a hard fight for you nine times out of ten.
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SPEAKER_00: Because, you know, where's your motivation for a guy like this?
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SPEAKER_00: You're not going to get the credit.
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SPEAKER_00: It felt like the first half of the fight was fairly even.
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SPEAKER_00: Then Fundora just decided to win the fight.
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SPEAKER_00: He's like, okay, I'm going to break you down.
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SPEAKER_00: The guy, Ermel, fought as good as he could.
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SPEAKER_00: And then Fundora takes that second half.
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SPEAKER_00: It was kind of like the Gervonta Davis versus Frank Martin.
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SPEAKER_00: Tank fought him with his B game for the first half of the fight.
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SPEAKER_00: And then he turned it up and then wins the fight, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So in that fight, now we're talking about the stoppage is too late or is too soon.
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SPEAKER_00: Once again,
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SPEAKER_00: but it's the final second of the fight and it's less about the outcome and more so
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SPEAKER_00: about I wanted to see this guy get like an honorary victory.
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SPEAKER_00: He made it all the rounds.
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SPEAKER_00: And...
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SPEAKER_00: I think that that's also tricky because in this sport,
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SPEAKER_00: there are those moments, right,
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SPEAKER_00: for notable insiders,
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SPEAKER_00: where you do want to see someone,
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SPEAKER_00: okay, he went the rounds, that's impressive, that's like a victory in and of itself.
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SPEAKER_00: But we don't want to lose the point that Ermel was losing every minute of the fight
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SPEAKER_00: after round seven, that he wasn't competitive enough.
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SPEAKER_00: And that the referee's job is to protect the fighter.
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SPEAKER_00: And I get that the bell had rung and the fight was over, theoretically.
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SPEAKER_00: But I also feel like this is an era
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SPEAKER_00: where people are just too comfortable just saying stuff and not thinking about
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SPEAKER_00: if they were in that position,
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SPEAKER_00: how would you assess it given the criteria put forth for you to be a professional?
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, another one.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's go into my questions this week.
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SPEAKER_00: It starts with a viral barbecue and boxing or boxing and barbecue.
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SPEAKER_00: I forget which way it goes.
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SPEAKER_00: They've built a pretty strong social media following.
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SPEAKER_00: Shout out to those guys.
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SPEAKER_00: I think I've met them.
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SPEAKER_00: I met one of them that runs the account.
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SPEAKER_00: He asked Diego Pacheco about like some Kobe Bryant quote backstage after
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SPEAKER_00: an indifferent Kevin Saggio performance.
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SPEAKER_00: But they've interviewed Britton Harden.
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SPEAKER_00: I believe his name is Britton Harden.
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SPEAKER_00: That'd be terrible.
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SPEAKER_00: A DAZN executive.
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SPEAKER_00: And he's been kind of like the North American face of DAZN where he does interviews and talks.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think he, if I remember right, he comes from OTX Boxing.
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SPEAKER_00: And OTX Boxing faced some criticism because it was like they did these kind of like and one.
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SPEAKER_00: And I guess maybe and one evolved into what OTX was.
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SPEAKER_00: But it was like, we're showing up to your gym and don't get embarrassed.
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SPEAKER_00: And it kind of like...
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SPEAKER_00: It felt like outsider boxing, if we're going to be honest.
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SPEAKER_00: So the criticism I would have had of OTX boxing was it didn't feel like
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SPEAKER_00: a lifelong boxing practitioner's vision of boxing.
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SPEAKER_00: It felt like someone coming from another sport being like, okay, man, don't get embarrassed.
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SPEAKER_00: Don't get humiliated.
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SPEAKER_00: We're going to bring the cameras to this gym.
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SPEAKER_00: And if you don't got it, you're going to get put on the internet.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think that the point that was missed with those type of videos
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SPEAKER_00: and why they didn't even take off very well,
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SPEAKER_00: at least to hardcore enthusiasts, is boxing is humiliating.
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SPEAKER_00: And everyone gets humiliated in boxing and everyone has bad days.
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SPEAKER_00: And if you live it,
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SPEAKER_00: you have to learn how to help people grow and fight through the humiliation
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SPEAKER_00: and fight weather these storms.
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SPEAKER_00: And that type of content just kind of...
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SPEAKER_00: First off,
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SPEAKER_00: if you own a boxing gym,
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SPEAKER_00: the number one rule is you don't let the clients spar because more
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SPEAKER_00: than likely they'll never come back again, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So that type of content,
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SPEAKER_00: I think,
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SPEAKER_00: initially rubbed old school guys the wrong way because it just looked goofy
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SPEAKER_00: because we understand the sentiment.
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SPEAKER_00: And I shouldn't say we because I'm maybe not an old school guy,
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SPEAKER_00: but the sentiment, I get it, right?
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SPEAKER_00: The sentiment is, you know, fight your best.
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SPEAKER_00: And if you're not on,
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SPEAKER_00: here's some candid video showing a guy get beat up because he didn't have his
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SPEAKER_00: A game.
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SPEAKER_00: I get it.
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SPEAKER_00: The thing that most people don't get is that happens every day in the gym
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SPEAKER_00: and we don't talk about it because there's kind of like a code of dignity
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SPEAKER_00: in boxing amongst kind of like what I'd call the real guys where you don't talk
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SPEAKER_00: about it.
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SPEAKER_00: We all know who's getting the better of the work amongst everybody, at least in my region.
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SPEAKER_00: I know who's doing real good in the gym because everyone tells everybody,
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SPEAKER_00: but we don't broadcast it because there's a level of respect.
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SPEAKER_00: And at some points,
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SPEAKER_00: those guys that are struggling actually get better and become the guys
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SPEAKER_00: and you don't broadcast it.
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SPEAKER_00: So that was initially a weird entry point.
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SPEAKER_00: And then I saw like this viral clip about Tapping into fighters' interests.
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SPEAKER_00: And I don't disagree with it, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So I think the clip the executive said,
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SPEAKER_00: Harden said,
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SPEAKER_00: about some boxers might be surfers into rock music and we won't play into that.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's an interesting thing, right?
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SPEAKER_00: I'm actually into that.
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SPEAKER_00: I like writing stories.
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SPEAKER_00: I like...
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SPEAKER_00: Portraits on boxers.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think that what makes a boxer a boxer is a really interesting
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SPEAKER_00: and important fabric for the sport.
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SPEAKER_00: That being said,
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SPEAKER_00: I think the concern and why this question was brought up to me goes back to
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SPEAKER_00: that initial OTX sparring stuff,
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SPEAKER_00: which is, I think for every hardcore boxing fan, talent should always lead, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So we should always go, The platform is here to put on the best representations of TV fights.
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SPEAKER_00: And then from the best representations of TV fights,
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SPEAKER_00: those that excel, maybe we'll find out where they go.
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SPEAKER_00: And it feels like with OTX, there was the, what outfit are you wearing coming into the arena?
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SPEAKER_00: And there was a lot of cross-marketing stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: And boxing fans are a very hardcore niche enthusiast.
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SPEAKER_00: And I can't help,
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SPEAKER_00: I watched a Vice video about Jim Cornette talking about the Black Scorpion
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SPEAKER_00: and Jim Hurd being the WCW guy.
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SPEAKER_00: And I know I'm not a big wrestling guy, but I like those 80s, 90s kind of folklore stories.
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SPEAKER_00: And it almost feels like,
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SPEAKER_00: and I'm sure Harden's a real boxing guy,
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SPEAKER_00: but it feels like when corporate Kind of suit people come into boxing,
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SPEAKER_00: they miss a little bit of the point.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think the fear is, I think Britton is a boxing guy.
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SPEAKER_00: I think he's learned the boxing business, probably did a couple of fights or whatever and stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: Is the concern is this is something that really matters to a lot of people.
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SPEAKER_00: And that the fans want some ownership and equity in the sport.
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SPEAKER_00: And they want it also to be the sport.
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SPEAKER_00: They don't always want it to be dressed up or dolled up as,
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SPEAKER_00: hey, look, this guy's relevant in other industries.
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SPEAKER_00: I think that that video in this question being brought up to me was about
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SPEAKER_00: the concerns around, can boxing just be boxing?
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SPEAKER_00: Can we just get good products and good fights?
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SPEAKER_00: Do we have to always...
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SPEAKER_00: And I think with DAZN having such a stronghold on the industry along
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SPEAKER_00: with Zufa Boxing on Paramount,
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SPEAKER_00: I think the video got too much traction and got a question in my mailbag basically
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SPEAKER_00: because there's concern that fights were not at the center of the conversation
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SPEAKER_00: as opposed to...
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SPEAKER_00: What do we call it?
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SPEAKER_00: As opposed to,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: pop culture,
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SPEAKER_00: which I think people are like, dude, that's a little too close to influencer.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's read the questions this week.
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SPEAKER_00: Anytime I've doubted Dalton Smith, he's proved me wrong.
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SPEAKER_00: Therefore, with a home advantage, I expect him to win.
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SPEAKER_00: Rion Foster, it's his fight to lose.
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SPEAKER_00: A good boxer always beats a good puncher and all that.
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SPEAKER_00: Hard to look past Foster on points.
15:27
SPEAKER_00: Great work.
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SPEAKER_00: I remember Sherry from his time at Boxing News.
15:31
SPEAKER_00: Your podcasts are essential listening as always.
15:34
SPEAKER_00: Steve Wellings, we got to Let's get Steve back.
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SPEAKER_00: I think Canelo Fight Week, let's get Steve back on.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's give Steve a full hour.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm going to send Steve a message.
15:43
SPEAKER_00: Let me know in the comments if you enjoyed the Steve Willings podcast last month.
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SPEAKER_00: I think we need Steve back.
15:47
SPEAKER_00: I like Fundora.
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SPEAKER_00: Beating boots would be a tough ask, but getting those belts unified is the priority.
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SPEAKER_00: Great take.
15:53
SPEAKER_00: Trevor Sambrano.
15:54
SPEAKER_00: And Sambrano,
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SPEAKER_00: for those that don't know,
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SPEAKER_00: longtime Southern California coach who works in the DMG DMG Promotions Gym and is
16:04
SPEAKER_00: with Brandon Adams was saying that Boots' chin may not be the same from
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SPEAKER_00: the Xander-Zayas fight and the Boots were close to getting knocked out.
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SPEAKER_00: Fundora is saying he was just brawling for fun.
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SPEAKER_00: Don't listen to the noise.
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SPEAKER_00: Boots ices Fundora.
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SPEAKER_00: I think I read that wrong, but like...
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SPEAKER_00: You know, Boots' chin is to be determined.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, Boots, there are some people that say Boots gets hit too often.
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SPEAKER_00: There are other people that say Boots rolls with the shots.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's like a 50-50 who's in the right there.
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SPEAKER_00: Um...
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SPEAKER_00: Fundora is one of these guys where it's like we need to see a different style at
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SPEAKER_00: a high level with him because now there's reasonable suspicion that
16:49
SPEAKER_00: the distance might have been just fighting non-explosive guys
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SPEAKER_00: who might just come forward on you or he was just bored.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't really know how to rate the performance.
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SPEAKER_00: I kind of see Boots and Fundora in the same spot.
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SPEAKER_00: I think Boots is more exciting to watch.
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SPEAKER_00: I think Fundora is more visually like, whoa, who's that guy?
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SPEAKER_00: But they both have big questions around him.
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SPEAKER_00: And then the one that have the fewest questions around, Virgil Ortiz, can't stay in the ring.
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SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I think it's been an interesting era for that reason.
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SPEAKER_00: What is the name of the Mexican fighter who beat Ricky Burns before Crawford?
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SPEAKER_00: Shuttleworth was just talking about him.
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SPEAKER_00: I believe it was Ray Beltran.
17:34
SPEAKER_00: It's so much fun seeing the Brits being butthurt about Michael Gomez.
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SPEAKER_00: Draw more outreach needed for the Michael Gomez result.
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SPEAKER_00: Wasn't even close.
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SPEAKER_00: Laugh my ass off.
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SPEAKER_00: I just watched round 12 of O'Doherty versus Gomez Jr.
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SPEAKER_00: So much fun watching Gomez mess it up,
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SPEAKER_00: throw nothing, showboat in the last 10 seconds, knowing what outcome will be.
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SPEAKER_00: Gomez walks out the ring.
17:57
SPEAKER_00: O'Doherty goes to check on him emotional and Gomez is going around arguing
18:01
SPEAKER_00: with O'Doherty in his corner.
18:03
SPEAKER_00: You know who Michael Gomez reminds me of?
18:05
SPEAKER_00: Junaid Boston.
18:07
SPEAKER_00: Act like a brat.
18:08
SPEAKER_00: The British judges will punish you for it.
18:11
SPEAKER_00: Gomez is basically the British version of Carlos Balderos.
18:14
SPEAKER_00: He's not as good as Carlos.
18:16
SPEAKER_00: Carlos is a really, really good fighter.
18:18
SPEAKER_00: I told you Michael Gomez is a mess up.
18:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let's see.
18:25
SPEAKER_00: Do we have more?
18:26
SPEAKER_00: Nope, not on that.
18:27
SPEAKER_00: Michael Gomez,
18:28
SPEAKER_00: the result, I mean,
18:30
SPEAKER_00: he probably won the fight,
18:31
SPEAKER_00: but it's like one of these fights where it's like, just stamp the win.
18:36
SPEAKER_00: You know, but look, it's a good domestic fight.
18:39
SPEAKER_00: It never hurts when two guys have some controversy.
18:42
SPEAKER_00: Gomez and Louie O'Doherty probably didn't have a bigger footprint in the world until this fight.
18:50
SPEAKER_00: So maybe like a little rivalry.
18:53
SPEAKER_00: Some controversy around this fight could lead to them fighting in a main event in 2027.
18:58
SPEAKER_00: And I'd watch it.
18:59
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, that's something to say.
19:02
SPEAKER_00: Milan Pratt straight up hit East in the dick to survive the knockdowns.
19:07
SPEAKER_00: Really, really good fight, by the way.
19:09
SPEAKER_00: If you haven't seen that from France, Bobby Benton in the corner.
19:12
SPEAKER_00: Justin Paldo won a split decision.
19:14
SPEAKER_00: Yes, he did.
19:15
SPEAKER_00: I still like that Kid Austin fight.
19:17
SPEAKER_00: I thought Charles Harris would win wide.
19:19
SPEAKER_00: Lolo Harris.
19:20
SPEAKER_00: I actually...
19:21
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to try to get Lolo on the pod this week.
19:25
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to try to get Lolo.
19:29
SPEAKER_00: Then some Keon Mizutier really tattooed his surname across his body.
19:36
SPEAKER_00: Mizutier looks terrible.
19:39
SPEAKER_00: Can we have like a Mizutier appreciation?
19:42
SPEAKER_00: I mean, a lot of people crapped on Mizutier this week in the mailbag,
19:46
SPEAKER_00: said his physique looked bad.
19:48
SPEAKER_00: He's a 154 pounder essentially fighting at 168 because Charlo needed a tune-up fight.
19:54
SPEAKER_00: Then he takes the fight with two weeks notice against Resendez.
19:58
SPEAKER_00: And he just didn't have the power to keep Resendez off him, but it was like a 6'4 type fight.
20:03
SPEAKER_00: And pretty impressive for a guy who's outgunned and not as talented to do a fight like that.
20:08
SPEAKER_00: And for me, Resendez, just an absolutely horrible performance.
20:13
SPEAKER_00: Some questions around Manny Robles.
20:14
SPEAKER_00: Robles trained Sarai Boachuk too, who missed weight versus Michael Fox.
20:19
SPEAKER_00: Brandon Figueroa.
20:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I mean, who knows, right?
20:23
SPEAKER_00: I think that, I don't know.
20:27
SPEAKER_00: That's just like a trend.
20:28
SPEAKER_00: That's just something to monitor.
20:32
SPEAKER_00: We'll just file that away.
20:35
SPEAKER_00: Uh, the Japanese fans are beginning to rebel against the WBA.
20:39
SPEAKER_00: We are going to see a lot more of this in the new prospects.
20:42
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what that fully means, but I guess whatever.
20:44
SPEAKER_00: Um, God's not done.
20:48
SPEAKER_00: Brandon Figueroa, uh, is singing karaoke on fight week.
20:53
SPEAKER_00: Um, comparisons to Manny Robles is Jim to Jamie Moore's Jim.
20:56
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
20:57
SPEAKER_00: So very low on Brandon Figueroa.
21:01
SPEAKER_00: Um,
21:05
SPEAKER_00: Let's see.
21:05
SPEAKER_00: Let's see what else we got here.
21:10
SPEAKER_00: Is this the Figueroa Karaoke video?
21:13
SPEAKER_00: There's like an X link.
21:19
SPEAKER_00: Super slow internet, by the way.
21:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so Tomoki Kamed is just greatly questioning whether...
21:29
SPEAKER_00: Brandon Figueroa was sick or not.
21:32
SPEAKER_00: I think he was because if you miss that big and you try to cut weight,
21:36
SPEAKER_00: you're probably not going to feel good the next day.
21:40
SPEAKER_00: Laugh my ass off.
21:41
SPEAKER_00: Don't ask Marco Romero about Tommy Morrison.
21:44
SPEAKER_00: John Brown,
21:46
SPEAKER_00: the coach of Marco Romero,
21:48
SPEAKER_00: frequently contrasts their differences in discipline and character.
21:52
SPEAKER_00: Basically saying that Marco is coachable and tough and Morrison wasn't.
21:59
SPEAKER_00: Okay, I mean,
22:00
SPEAKER_00: the broadcast loved bringing up the comparison of the coach working
22:04
SPEAKER_00: with Tommy Morrison,
22:05
SPEAKER_00: so I thought there might be a fun story there,
22:06
SPEAKER_00: but that's another lukie awkward question that was probably really bad.
22:14
SPEAKER_00: Questions around people's boxing literacy.
22:18
SPEAKER_00: Probably a shot kind of towards the Good Fight Post show.
22:21
SPEAKER_00: People might actually be illiterate at boxing.
22:24
SPEAKER_00: At the beginning of boxing matches, they show on the screen, read the rules.
22:27
SPEAKER_00: No three dot down rule can't be saved by the bell.
22:30
SPEAKER_00: Yet we have some people that think.
22:32
SPEAKER_00: Hardjabod should have been saved by the bell.
22:34
SPEAKER_00: I kind of talked about that in my opinion.
22:37
SPEAKER_00: I think that's the emotion of the moment, right?
22:39
SPEAKER_00: I think that seeing an underdog and knowing how B-side fighters often get treated in
22:44
SPEAKER_00: the sport of boxing,
22:45
SPEAKER_00: I think people wanted him to get an honorary victory in that by going all 12 rounds.
22:50
SPEAKER_00: I turned off the Fundora fight in round three or four and switched to a live stream
22:54
SPEAKER_00: who was saying they want to see Harjabaj again.
22:57
SPEAKER_00: Do the people who talk and complain or praise even watch boxing?
23:01
SPEAKER_00: It's as if they are functionally boxing illiterate.
23:05
SPEAKER_00: No, I wouldn't say that.
23:07
SPEAKER_00: I'd say people didn't expect that type of performance from them.
23:13
SPEAKER_00: When you have a fighter that you don't know a lot about, What's there to praise, right?
23:18
SPEAKER_00: You don't know his story.
23:19
SPEAKER_00: You don't know his journey.
23:21
SPEAKER_00: Probably don't even really know how to break down his fighting style.
23:24
SPEAKER_00: So what more can you do than say, yeah, I want to see him back in the ring again.
23:30
SPEAKER_00: And that is, you know, I think that's why a lot of people say it.
23:35
SPEAKER_00: For me, it's like, I think he's an interesting gatekeeper to contenders.
23:41
SPEAKER_00: If there's a guy making his run up to 154,
23:47
SPEAKER_00: say Norman Jr. goes up to 154, him and Ermel Hodgebodge would be a really fun fight.
23:54
SPEAKER_00: And I'd be excited about that because the style contrast and you know
23:58
SPEAKER_00: the certain level of there.
24:01
SPEAKER_00: Now let's go, I think I'm jumping the shark on the film study a little bit.
24:05
SPEAKER_00: So let's see if there is.
24:10
SPEAKER_00: Nope.
24:10
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
24:11
SPEAKER_00: Film study.
24:12
SPEAKER_00: So I think I'm rocking and rolling this week a lot better than I usually do.
24:16
SPEAKER_00: So let me know if it feels that way.
24:21
SPEAKER_00: Dan Gruber gets caught, drop, punches the canvas up.
24:25
SPEAKER_00: Upset more at himself than anything one minute into round two.
24:28
SPEAKER_00: The corner throws in the towel.
24:29
SPEAKER_00: This week is unhinged.
24:32
SPEAKER_00: Adam Oldani alerts Amy Pooh to the towel and Pooh kicks the towel and rejects it.
24:39
SPEAKER_00: This is a big toker's take.
24:45
SPEAKER_00: They're crying over Amy Pooh's decision.
24:48
SPEAKER_00: I mean, for me,
24:50
SPEAKER_00: just to summarize this, for me,
24:53
SPEAKER_00: the issue,
24:56
SPEAKER_00: That one reminded, there's like a lot of different things to unpack there.
25:00
SPEAKER_00: But the thing that it reminded me of was Uri Foreman versus Miguel Cotto,
25:04
SPEAKER_00: where the referee became the story.
25:06
SPEAKER_00: I forget the referee in that fight,
25:08
SPEAKER_00: but it was like, they kept trying to throw the towel in Foreman's leg was gone.
25:12
SPEAKER_00: He's like, come on, man, you don't want to lose like this.
25:14
SPEAKER_00: You don't want to lose like this.
25:15
SPEAKER_00: And it feels like that.
25:18
SPEAKER_00: Um, Questioning Britain's referees,
25:21
SPEAKER_00: Bob Williams,
25:22
SPEAKER_00: Howard Foster, Mark something, and basically the same dozen compromised referees.
25:27
SPEAKER_00: Watching the highlights tells me these guys were hurt.
25:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, it's...
25:37
SPEAKER_00: I think we don't have to go into that one in too much detail.
25:42
SPEAKER_00: Let's go.
25:43
SPEAKER_00: Let's go.
25:44
SPEAKER_00: Daniel Dubois voice.
25:45
SPEAKER_00: Michelle Soro versus George Lidard.
25:48
SPEAKER_00: Headlines the annual matchroom card in Monaco.
25:50
SPEAKER_00: We live in the same world where Michelle Soro can upset George Lidard.
25:56
SPEAKER_00: Like what is Lidard's defining world-class trait?
25:59
SPEAKER_00: His physicality?
26:00
SPEAKER_00: How about his sense of humor?
26:02
SPEAKER_00: His mustache?
26:04
SPEAKER_00: I mean, for me,
26:05
SPEAKER_00: an early film study on this is more about how much does Michelle Soro have left?
26:11
SPEAKER_00: Feels like Soro's been around for about 15 years at a world-class level.
26:18
SPEAKER_00: I consistently forget what he can do, but I am with you in the sense that...
26:24
SPEAKER_00: The Kyrian Conway fight,
26:25
SPEAKER_00: I thought was a very good win for him,
26:27
SPEAKER_00: but I don't ever look at his performances and go, man,
26:30
SPEAKER_00: this is a,
26:31
SPEAKER_00: this is a top guy,
26:32
SPEAKER_00: you know,
26:33
SPEAKER_00: for whatever reason,
26:34
SPEAKER_00: he does not stand out as like, just what you said, what's his defining trait?
26:39
SPEAKER_00: You know,
26:39
SPEAKER_00: when I always think about that,
26:40
SPEAKER_00: like Joe Calzaghe angles,
26:43
SPEAKER_00: you know, Golovkin power, you know, um, A lot of guys had speed, right?
26:50
SPEAKER_00: You go, oh man, he's fast.
26:51
SPEAKER_00: Broner, speed.
26:53
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what it is with Liddard.
26:54
SPEAKER_00: And that basically to me says he's probably got a guy that loses to the guy.
26:59
SPEAKER_00: Um...
27:00
SPEAKER_00: Now some thoughts on Freddy Rojas.
27:03
SPEAKER_00: Freddy Rojas this weekend lost to Kevin Anton.
27:05
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to have a story actually about Sammy Contreras Jr.
27:10
SPEAKER_00: who's a training partner of Kevin Anton.
27:16
SPEAKER_00: So are we misassessing or assessing Rojas correctly?
27:22
SPEAKER_00: Um,
27:25
SPEAKER_00: Well,
27:26
SPEAKER_00: basically they're questioning that at six foot two and essentially a welterweight,
27:30
SPEAKER_00: why is this focus on not getting hit?
27:32
SPEAKER_00: Not getting hit means you hit them two times, then you move to avoid getting hit.
27:37
SPEAKER_00: But those dimensions, you'd think you'd be hitting them five to six.
27:40
SPEAKER_00: Five times and then deflecting and blocking opponents.
27:42
SPEAKER_00: The movement required would destroy what's left of the stamina after the weight cut.
27:46
SPEAKER_00: Well, I think you have to understand, first off, fighter temperaments.
27:51
SPEAKER_00: So with Rojas, you know, he was a great amateur who could win.
27:56
SPEAKER_00: But then, as I always say, there was a guy named Tiger Johnson and Tiger just had his number.
28:01
SPEAKER_00: And Tiger was just able to beat him every single time.
28:06
SPEAKER_00: That was one thing that I think that just hurts in your development when you run
28:09
SPEAKER_00: into the guy that just has your number.
28:13
SPEAKER_00: Second off is Freddy Rojas to me.
28:18
SPEAKER_00: Never really converted to a pro style.
28:22
SPEAKER_00: When he looked good in the PBC with certain fights,
28:26
SPEAKER_00: felt like it was kind of the right opponents.
28:27
SPEAKER_00: You know, he had a good performance against Salobostos, really solid guy.
28:32
SPEAKER_00: But I never saw him really sitting down on punches, leveraging his shots.
28:36
SPEAKER_00: He was kind of always a guy who wanted to fight at range.
28:39
SPEAKER_00: And the big thing that I saw in the Sosa fight
28:41
SPEAKER_00: and I had suspected was he hates being walked down.
28:46
SPEAKER_00: And in this fight, we saw it again.
28:47
SPEAKER_00: So it's like he's a big, tall fighter who wants to keep you at the edge of his shots.
28:53
SPEAKER_00: And if those shots start to not be telling or you start walking forward, he's not a fan of it.
29:00
SPEAKER_00: So it means, I hate to say it, he has one style right now currently that he fights at.
29:05
SPEAKER_00: He's an amateur kind of distance fighter.
29:09
SPEAKER_00: Who needs to evolve to being able to fight in the mid-range and have something
29:14
SPEAKER_00: to do besides holding on the inside to really get to that next level.
29:17
SPEAKER_00: Two losses.
29:18
SPEAKER_00: I get that he took this fight on short notice,
29:20
SPEAKER_00: but it's two losses to a very similar style of opponent.
29:24
SPEAKER_00: A come forward pressure fighter.
29:26
SPEAKER_00: And for Anton, Anton's becoming one of the more interesting guys in the division.
29:30
SPEAKER_00: He reminds me of like a baby Antonio Margarito.
29:33
SPEAKER_00: Charles Shamina must have outworked and outmoved Samuel Arnold.
29:37
SPEAKER_00: Arnold must have been headhunting.
29:39
SPEAKER_00: I spoke to Arnold's dad and Arnold said that he was sick going into the fight.
29:42
SPEAKER_00: I won't share the other half of it, but it makes a little more sense after I heard what I heard.
29:50
SPEAKER_00: Let's go to this.
29:51
SPEAKER_00: So watching Ricardo Sandoval,
29:54
SPEAKER_00: still heavy criticism of Ricardo Sandoval,
29:56
SPEAKER_00: which is kind of funny to me because like,
29:59
SPEAKER_00: here's a guy who's like,
30:01
SPEAKER_00: most of his career, he was a club fighter and really got the most out of his career.
30:05
SPEAKER_00: And it's like,
30:05
SPEAKER_00: there's kind of more privileged and more hateable fighters than
30:09
SPEAKER_00: a blue collar flyweight.
30:10
SPEAKER_00: But I guess it speaks to Kind of the cool part about my show is how passionate everyone is.
30:17
SPEAKER_00: They have strong opinions about a 112 pounder.
30:20
SPEAKER_00: But this is fight against Angel Acosta.
30:23
SPEAKER_00: I remember this fight being really close.
30:25
SPEAKER_00: I remember actually feeling like Acosta could be winning.
30:28
SPEAKER_00: I remember this stoppage being really bad.
30:30
SPEAKER_00: I bet it's going to be really bad.
30:32
SPEAKER_00: I'm watching it right now from the Golden Boy.
30:36
SPEAKER_00: Let's see.
30:38
SPEAKER_00: Let's see.
30:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, it's not even a real stoppage.
30:41
SPEAKER_00: It's just like that was a bad stoppage.
30:43
SPEAKER_00: So that was a bad stoppage.
30:44
SPEAKER_00: They're kind of like, what the freak are we doing here?
30:49
SPEAKER_00: Can you preview Masuda versus Tatsumi 2?
30:54
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
30:55
SPEAKER_00: Love to.
30:56
SPEAKER_00: Hope my computer doesn't die in the middle of this preview stuff.
30:59
SPEAKER_00: Didn't charge it enough.
31:01
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
31:04
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
31:12
SPEAKER_00: Assuming with the frosted tips looking like 2002 in high school.
31:17
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so the way Lukie does film study.
31:20
SPEAKER_00: So two southpaws.
31:25
SPEAKER_00: Masuda's pretty sweet.
31:26
SPEAKER_00: Like he's got a jab,
31:27
SPEAKER_00: but he keeps his hands low, but he's really trying to leverage that left hand.
31:31
SPEAKER_00: He's got, I was watching Andy Vences spar Ivan Redcatch.
31:34
SPEAKER_00: I was in the gym with him about eight years, nine years ago watching that.
31:37
SPEAKER_00: And it's like Masuda's got a little bit of Andy Vences, more fluid and stuff.
31:41
SPEAKER_00: Tatsumi early on, you know, he's moving.
31:44
SPEAKER_00: Doing a really good job circling the middle of the ring.
31:47
SPEAKER_00: Just not getting his backs against the ropes.
31:49
SPEAKER_00: And as I say that, he pushes him into the ropes.
31:52
SPEAKER_00: See what else we can get here.
31:55
SPEAKER_00: Go a little bit lower res because my computer's not playing it fast enough as I'd like.
32:05
SPEAKER_00: I really like Tutsumi.
32:08
SPEAKER_00: I really, I call him a tsunami, but it's like, I like his punch selection in the mid range.
32:12
SPEAKER_00: He goes left uppercut, right hook, fearless puncher.
32:15
SPEAKER_00: He's able to move a good bit.
32:19
SPEAKER_00: He has a good variety of punches and he's,
32:21
SPEAKER_00: it's like, he's like a strategic brawler almost, a boxer brawler.
32:26
SPEAKER_00: He's able to keep you in the middle of the ring,
32:28
SPEAKER_00: but he's fearless on the inside and he's got a good selection of punches
32:32
SPEAKER_00: and he's very calculated.
32:34
SPEAKER_00: He did a great move where he goes jab,
32:36
SPEAKER_00: cross, and then he pulls back a couple of inches and the punch just barely misses.
32:41
SPEAKER_00: Good use of distance.
32:42
SPEAKER_00: I think that he's going to win this pretty easily because Masuda seems like as
32:46
SPEAKER_00: the fight gets going later in the fight,
32:50
SPEAKER_00: he has to use toughness to win the bout, whereas...
32:59
SPEAKER_00: Tatsumi has the ability to kind of stay with a strategy, so to speak.
33:04
SPEAKER_00: So, okay, here we go.
33:06
SPEAKER_00: Friends at Pro Box two months ago.
33:08
SPEAKER_00: I was like, I don't remember this being a Pro Box fight because I wasn't there.
33:12
SPEAKER_00: I didn't have to cover it.
33:14
SPEAKER_00: This is a great fight for Pro Box to have.
33:18
SPEAKER_00: Matsuda is in white.
33:22
SPEAKER_00: Dago is in white.
33:24
SPEAKER_00: Uh, Dago Higa.
33:25
SPEAKER_00: And I remember I met him because Mike Baca was hanging out with him.
33:29
SPEAKER_00: Good old Mike Baca, who no longer in boxing media, but he's one of the best guys to ever do it.
33:35
SPEAKER_00: And, uh,
33:37
SPEAKER_00: Kind of speaks to boxing media when a guy like Mike Baca is no longer covering
33:41
SPEAKER_00: the sport.
33:42
SPEAKER_00: He brought so much to the table, but whatever.
33:46
SPEAKER_00: What are we doing here?
33:48
SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is just, Masuda is basically just a physically strong southpaw.
33:53
SPEAKER_00: Haga looks like an older fighter at this point.
33:55
SPEAKER_00: He's just getting walked down.
33:59
SPEAKER_00: This is two punchers.
34:01
SPEAKER_00: This is two punchers punching.
34:06
SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, to me, Masuda, and I've seen enough tape on him.
34:10
SPEAKER_00: He's just a big, big, strong fighter.
34:13
SPEAKER_00: He's a big, strong fighter, and his asset is power.
34:17
SPEAKER_00: His asset is fearlessness.
34:19
SPEAKER_00: Here's Tasumi against Nonito.
34:23
SPEAKER_00: Now he's fighting an orthodox switch hitter.
34:27
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Tasumi impresses me,
34:29
SPEAKER_00: and he impressed me when he beat Takuma in a way, too,
34:32
SPEAKER_00: in the sense that he can circle the ring,
34:33
SPEAKER_00: guys can't cut the ring off on him, good combinations, sticks to a game plan.
34:38
SPEAKER_00: He's really a Hall of Fame trajectory fighter,
34:41
SPEAKER_00: so I would expect a Hall of Fame trajectory fighter to win this type of fight.
34:45
SPEAKER_00: Go to John Arobio versus Henry Cedeno.
34:50
SPEAKER_00: Henry Cedeno, obviously the brother of Yuri Cedeno.
34:53
SPEAKER_00: It could be a really bad year for the Cedeno brothers.
34:56
SPEAKER_00: The Bazooka Bros, as we like to say.
34:58
SPEAKER_00: Yep, I already remember him.
35:00
SPEAKER_00: He's not as good as Yuri, but he's a big puncher.
35:04
SPEAKER_00: He kind of throws everything at one speed.
35:08
SPEAKER_00: Very, very tough.
35:09
SPEAKER_00: With Arobio, Arobio is someone that I've been watching for really about five years now.
35:16
SPEAKER_00: And the first time I saw him, he really stood out to me as a potential star.
35:20
SPEAKER_00: There's fluidity, there's power, and there's an ability to win at a high level.
35:25
SPEAKER_00: He obviously beat Antonio Moran.
35:29
SPEAKER_00: I think that he's going to punch in between the punches with Cedeno,
35:32
SPEAKER_00: and this is going to be a marquee win.
35:36
SPEAKER_00: The problem with Arobio is he's really a contender,
35:41
SPEAKER_00: but in modern boxing,
35:42
SPEAKER_00: contenders are now prospects because Tony Hirsch and Omari Jones are probably
35:46
SPEAKER_00: the two most interesting guys to win prospect of the year this year,
35:50
SPEAKER_00: and more than likely, neither of them will win.
35:54
SPEAKER_00: Get it because a guy like Arobio who's like probably a shot or two away from
35:58
SPEAKER_00: a title will be labeled as a prospect.
36:00
SPEAKER_00: We've kind of lost the point on what a prospect is kind of freestyling
36:04
SPEAKER_00: because I'm down to 13% battery life.
36:07
SPEAKER_00: Obviously, we got Big Nasty taking on Paul Gallen.
36:09
SPEAKER_00: I know Nasty, so I'm doing that.
36:12
SPEAKER_00: Let me watch a little Gallen.
36:16
SPEAKER_00: It's just big rugby players fighting each other.
36:24
SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is just going to be, all jokes aside, this is just going to be two big guys.
36:31
SPEAKER_00: Big Nasty's got a right hand.
36:33
SPEAKER_00: He's not all that talented, but he's got a big right hand.
36:35
SPEAKER_00: He's younger.
36:37
SPEAKER_00: Paul Gallen seems to know more, but he's older.
36:41
SPEAKER_00: So it's like,
36:41
SPEAKER_00: does the older,
36:42
SPEAKER_00: more experienced guy go and take him for a walk for whatever, six, eight rounds?
36:46
SPEAKER_00: Or does Big Nasty land a big shot and keep the fun going?
36:50
SPEAKER_00: I think that's the intrigue and I think honestly that's why
36:53
SPEAKER_00: that fight's more interesting to me than a lot of fights
36:55
SPEAKER_00: that are like I'm more interested in that fight than Shock Foster and Navarrete
36:59
SPEAKER_00: because I feel like the outcome is more uncertain as weird as it sounds.
37:03
SPEAKER_00: Breakdown Sam Hickey versus Troy Coleman.
37:05
SPEAKER_00: Okay, here's Sam Hickey.
37:07
SPEAKER_00: Sam Hickey, Zufa Boxing.
37:09
SPEAKER_00: Pretty sure I saw this.
37:13
SPEAKER_00: Zufa Boxing.
37:14
SPEAKER_00: Pretty much a British company in the fall.
37:18
SPEAKER_00: It's like...
37:29
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
37:34
SPEAKER_00: Sam Hickey is very upright.
37:37
SPEAKER_00: And he kind of does the Sean Porter.
37:39
SPEAKER_00: It was like the football player.
37:41
SPEAKER_00: His feints are just kind of running in place like you're running as a wide receiver.
37:47
SPEAKER_00: Come forward fighter, stands really tall.
37:49
SPEAKER_00: Got a good left hook.
37:51
SPEAKER_00: He kind of reminds me of a less talented Saul Neno Rodriguez.
37:55
SPEAKER_00: He misses the right hand on purpose to throw a left hook.
37:59
SPEAKER_00: So he misses out right and he's going to throw that left.
38:02
SPEAKER_00: Looks like when he throws the left hook, he wants to go to the body.
38:04
SPEAKER_00: He doesn't come up one up top with it.
38:07
SPEAKER_00: His jab isn't the greatest.
38:08
SPEAKER_00: He doesn't really throw it with conviction.
38:10
SPEAKER_00: He just throws it to get in the guy's face.
38:12
SPEAKER_00: Let's watch.
38:12
SPEAKER_00: I bet there's a stoppage here.
38:15
SPEAKER_00: Pretty dominant in this fight.
38:19
SPEAKER_00: Pulls straight back.
38:19
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's really,
38:21
SPEAKER_00: he's kind of,
38:23
SPEAKER_00: he's a lot like Saul Nano Rodriguez in that sense where he's right hand, left hook.
38:28
SPEAKER_00: Let's see, Troy Coleman.
38:29
SPEAKER_00: Coleman fought Isaac Hardiman.
38:34
SPEAKER_00: Fox Sports Australia.
38:35
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
38:43
SPEAKER_00: I mean, so far, all I'm seeing is Coleman get beat up.
38:50
SPEAKER_00: Let's see.
38:51
SPEAKER_00: Is there any...
38:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, this is... Coleman is just vulnerable to everything that Hickey does.
38:59
SPEAKER_00: So it's like Hickey has a good right hand and a good left hook.
39:02
SPEAKER_00: Coleman struggles to move his head.
39:04
SPEAKER_00: Coleman struggles with basic things.
39:06
SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, it's just a beneficial matchup for Hickey.
39:10
SPEAKER_00: Jack Rafferty versus Hovens-Martyresian.
39:16
SPEAKER_00: Hovinds that I really liked coming out of the amateurs, but I don't think it's that one.
39:20
SPEAKER_00: Here's him against Pierce O'Leary.
39:24
SPEAKER_00: The study will be shorter.
39:36
SPEAKER_00: I mean, very upright.
39:38
SPEAKER_00: You can just tell he's physically strong.
39:40
SPEAKER_00: Covins, like there's not, it's just, he's a big, strong guy.
39:45
SPEAKER_00: He's a big, strong guy.
39:46
SPEAKER_00: It looks like he's catch.
39:47
SPEAKER_00: I don't like this catch shoot style.
39:49
SPEAKER_00: And it seems like he's, he's a little bit slower.
39:52
SPEAKER_00: So he's going to try to sit on the ropes and catch and shoot you.
39:56
SPEAKER_00: Not, not the best style at a world-class level.
39:59
SPEAKER_00: Jack Rafferty, I remember impressed me with his Echo Suman win, but we'll see Rafferty.
40:10
SPEAKER_00: Rafferty's pretty limited too.
40:12
SPEAKER_00: Rafferty's the upright British domestic level fighter
40:16
SPEAKER_00: where he's gonna be like exchanging with you.
40:19
SPEAKER_00: So he's gonna stand really tall.
40:22
SPEAKER_00: He's gonna throw a lot of power shots and he's gonna get caught.
40:24
SPEAKER_00: So I mean, it's a weird fight, right?
40:27
SPEAKER_00: Because there's a world where if Rafferty doesn't fight to the best
40:30
SPEAKER_00: of his abilities, he's gonna get in trouble, right?
40:33
SPEAKER_00: He's gonna get in trouble because you can get timed because it's one of those
40:36
SPEAKER_00: where He doesn't always set the stage perfectly.
40:39
SPEAKER_00: So Rafferty has to fight a disciplined fight to get by this.
40:42
SPEAKER_00: He's gotten the bigger wins, but this is a fight about discipline.
40:45
SPEAKER_00: Can you preview Joshua Boatze versus Willie Hutchinson?
40:48
SPEAKER_00: Why are you for Boatze?
40:50
SPEAKER_00: I thought you prioritize momentum.
40:53
SPEAKER_00: I typically am for prioritizing momentum, right?
40:57
SPEAKER_00: And I like Willie Hutchinson as a fighter.
41:00
SPEAKER_00: Just think if you look at the two fighters, Bwatsi has more ability.
41:05
SPEAKER_00: He just hasn't lived up to his potential.
41:08
SPEAKER_00: And maybe I'm also a hypocrite because I don't buy into the storylines as well
41:12
SPEAKER_00: in British boxing because I'm not as attuned.
41:16
SPEAKER_00: For me, Bwatsi had one major loss and it was to Smith.
41:23
SPEAKER_00: And even in that loss, he showed me good things.
41:25
SPEAKER_00: I think that Watsi once told me his favorite fighter is Joe Frazier.
41:31
SPEAKER_00: And the only thing that can hold him back to me is when he tries to channel that.
41:36
SPEAKER_00: The Zack Parker fight, I think that he kind of got into that Joe Frazier thing again.
41:41
SPEAKER_00: But that version of Zack Parker was really hard to game plan for
41:44
SPEAKER_00: because Zack
41:47
SPEAKER_00: Parker had been viewed as the British Edgar Berlanga for some time,
41:52
SPEAKER_00: kind of overrated, etc., And then comes out and tries to outbox him.
41:56
SPEAKER_00: So he goes and Boatsy has traditionally been seen as a boxer.
41:59
SPEAKER_00: And then in that fight, he's going there.
42:02
SPEAKER_00: With Willie Hutchinson, I think the tricky thing about him is he can fight in both stances.
42:06
SPEAKER_00: He's really good at jabbing, really, really physically strong, high motor, high intensity guy.
42:13
SPEAKER_00: I get that there's no momentum with Boatze,
42:15
SPEAKER_00: but I think that you guys have also kind of told me,
42:18
SPEAKER_00: sometimes just take the better fighter.
42:20
SPEAKER_00: And I think Boatze is just better than Willie Hutchinson.
42:23
SPEAKER_00: And though this screams of, hey, this is like Willie Hutchinson's fight to lose.
42:29
SPEAKER_00: I think Boatze's got a chip on his shoulder.
42:31
SPEAKER_00: Boatze's got a good team.
42:33
SPEAKER_00: And I think Boatze is going to win a fight like this.
42:36
SPEAKER_00: Whereas Willie Hutchinson, I mean, has he won a fight like this?
42:41
SPEAKER_00: Let's look at his resume.
42:43
SPEAKER_00: Eh, I don't feel like it.
42:44
SPEAKER_00: And I'm low on battery.
42:46
SPEAKER_00: A male Navarrete versus Oshaki Foster.
42:47
SPEAKER_00: I don't even need to watch the tape on this.
42:49
SPEAKER_00: I can tell you exactly my thoughts.
42:51
SPEAKER_00: On these next two, I can give you the exact thoughts on it without watching tape.
42:54
SPEAKER_00: I've already done the tape study.
42:56
SPEAKER_00: Manuel Navarrete is really tricky
42:58
SPEAKER_00: because he doesn't necessarily know what he's going to do until fight night,
43:01
SPEAKER_00: in my opinion.
43:02
SPEAKER_00: He's awkward.
43:02
SPEAKER_00: He's unpredictable.
43:03
SPEAKER_00: He's physically strong.
43:04
SPEAKER_00: His punches have to hurt because his style is so untraditional that he has to imply
43:10
SPEAKER_00: a level of damage from his punching.
43:12
SPEAKER_00: He's going to punch from the ground up.
43:14
SPEAKER_00: They're going to be curved uppercuts that he's going to look to land.
43:17
SPEAKER_00: And those are the shots that for traditional boxers like in the Ruben Villa fight,
43:21
SPEAKER_00: those punches from the ground can really change fights because your eye is obscured
43:29
SPEAKER_00: to looking for those curved punches in these odd angles and they can just pop up and
43:33
SPEAKER_00: the ones that you don't see are the ones that hurt you.
43:36
SPEAKER_00: Whereas Foster to me, I think is one of the more underrated fighters.
43:39
SPEAKER_00: I think he's got good power.
43:40
SPEAKER_00: I think that the big issue with Foster that could bite him in this fight,
43:44
SPEAKER_00: if it goes a certain way, is at times people have said he has a low output.
43:49
SPEAKER_00: I just feel like the difference between the two, it's not just momentum.
43:52
SPEAKER_00: It's that Foster has been a serious athlete for at least eight years.
43:57
SPEAKER_00: Whereas Navarrete has taken time off.
43:59
SPEAKER_00: He's had ups and downs and...
44:02
SPEAKER_00: Highs and lows.
44:04
SPEAKER_00: And I feel like in big fights like this,
44:06
SPEAKER_00: a career,
44:07
SPEAKER_00: and he's also been,
44:09
SPEAKER_00: while Shock was rebuilding his career,
44:12
SPEAKER_00: Navarrete was a world champion and he's been in world champion fights and he's
44:16
SPEAKER_00: a high impact fighter.
44:17
SPEAKER_00: He's a fighter who's,
44:18
SPEAKER_00: you know,
44:19
SPEAKER_00: not the youngest guy,
44:20
SPEAKER_00: and he's had declining performances,
44:22
SPEAKER_00: in my opinion,
44:22
SPEAKER_00: against Brancic,
44:24
SPEAKER_00: against Charlie Suarez,
44:25
SPEAKER_00: Liam Wilson,
44:26
SPEAKER_00: and Robson can say so,
44:28
SPEAKER_00: but they get overlooked when he fights Mexican pressure fighters.
44:32
SPEAKER_00: Key to this fight is how does Navarrete respond to shock Foster's body attack?
44:38
SPEAKER_00: And how does Foster handle the punches coming back at him?
44:41
SPEAKER_00: If Foster's unfazed by the punches and able to use movement and angles,
44:45
SPEAKER_00: I think he's going to make this look easy.
44:47
SPEAKER_00: And I think it is going to be easy.
44:49
SPEAKER_00: Albert Puello versus Dalton Smith.
44:52
SPEAKER_00: I did that thing where I read it backwards.
44:54
SPEAKER_00: So for me, like Steve Wellings, I consistently don't see it with Smith.
45:00
SPEAKER_00: And then he continues to prove me wrong over and over again.
45:04
SPEAKER_00: So...
45:06
SPEAKER_00: It's hard to doubt him.
45:07
SPEAKER_00: It's just a shame this didn't happen earlier in the year because he'd really be in
45:11
SPEAKER_00: the fighter of the year conversation if he didn't suffer an injury.
45:14
SPEAKER_00: A really good puncher.
45:16
SPEAKER_00: He's got the ability to punch with both hands.
45:20
SPEAKER_00: The one thing about him is it feels like at times he can be robotic.
45:23
SPEAKER_00: It feels like at times he can fight on the inside out of pride.
45:29
SPEAKER_00: The thing Puello is going to do is he's going to gamify a fight.
45:32
SPEAKER_00: So he's going to just turn it into tag.
45:34
SPEAKER_00: And Smith has to be fine that he's going to be at home.
45:39
SPEAKER_00: And though his fans want to see a fight, he's not going to get a fight.
45:42
SPEAKER_00: He's not going to be able to exchange with Puello unless he hurts Puello
45:47
SPEAKER_00: and Puello starts having to respond to get him off.
45:50
SPEAKER_00: I think this is going to be a really,
45:51
SPEAKER_00: really hard fight for Dalton Smith because I think Puello is going in there with
45:54
SPEAKER_00: the nature of just kind of doing his shtick.
45:56
SPEAKER_00: Turning him, angling him, and making it a weird, weird fight.
46:01
SPEAKER_00: That being said,
46:02
SPEAKER_00: if Smith knocks out Puello,
46:05
SPEAKER_00: I think he's a pound-for-pound level talent, or at least a fringe one.
46:08
SPEAKER_00: Real quick, rapid fire, Frank Martin versus Tariq Zananyan.
46:12
SPEAKER_00: Hard fight.
46:13
SPEAKER_00: Tariq Zananyan is someone who comes with the intention of just moving around and scoring points.
46:18
SPEAKER_00: Frank Martin is with Buddy McGirt.
46:20
SPEAKER_00: He had a knockout over a 40-year-old Rancis Bartholomew and then just
46:23
SPEAKER_00: a really bad performance against Nahir Wu Albright.
46:26
SPEAKER_00: He's looked like his legs and his elusiveness are not the same as they were under Derek James.
46:33
SPEAKER_00: This is going to be a fight to see if his feet can catch up to Zananyan.
46:37
SPEAKER_00: I think Frank will win.
46:39
SPEAKER_00: But this could be a fight where people go, what's going on with Frank Martin?
46:42
SPEAKER_00: It's also Frank Martin's debut with top rank.
46:45
SPEAKER_00: Albert Chop Chop Gonzalez versus Kid Vasquez.
46:49
SPEAKER_00: I think people don't understand how good Chop Chop Gonzalez is.
46:52
SPEAKER_00: Kid Vasquez has only been stopped by Rafael Espinoza.
46:56
SPEAKER_00: He has two close fights with Joe Cordina and Raymond Ford.
46:59
SPEAKER_00: People argue he could have won at least one of those.
47:02
SPEAKER_00: Chop Chop Gonzalez has elements of Bam Rodriguez and Virgil Ortiz to me.
47:07
SPEAKER_00: I'm expecting him to stop Edward Vasquez, who's not going to have the power to keep him off.
47:12
SPEAKER_00: He's not going to also be able to kind of overwhelm him and smother him.
47:16
SPEAKER_00: When he fights Chop Chop on the inside, I think Chop Chop's going to break him down.
47:19
SPEAKER_00: And I think this is going to be Really kind of put Chop Chop on the map
47:24
SPEAKER_00: for those hardcore enthusiasts to watch him.
47:26
SPEAKER_00: And Chop Chop showed me a lot in his win over Aaron Almeida.
47:29
SPEAKER_00: And I feel like Dana Coolwell,
47:31
SPEAKER_00: kind of a sneaky, really,
47:32
SPEAKER_00: really good fighter,
47:36
SPEAKER_00: is like a world championship level fighter that's just not going
47:38
SPEAKER_00: to get those opportunities.
47:41
SPEAKER_00: And then I'm going to skip on... We'll do that last.
47:45
SPEAKER_00: And if my battery dies, then it dies.
47:47
SPEAKER_00: Steven Navarro versus Emmanuel Moreno.
47:50
SPEAKER_00: The two fought in Louisiana in an amateur contest.
47:55
SPEAKER_00: And...
47:56
SPEAKER_00: Obviously, there's a lot of tension here.
47:59
SPEAKER_00: Moreno's probably taking the fight because Navarro took a loss last year.
48:04
SPEAKER_00: It should have been a no contest, but there's probably the sentiment, hey, we could win this.
48:08
SPEAKER_00: Navarro's as talented of a fighter as I've seen in the amateurs in some times.
48:12
SPEAKER_00: He's hit the pros.
48:13
SPEAKER_00: He does have swelling in his face.
48:15
SPEAKER_00: In this fight, like obviously the first round, it took place in 114.
48:20
SPEAKER_00: Navarro's in complete control.
48:21
SPEAKER_00: He's switching stances.
48:23
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's a complete fighter, Navarro.
48:25
SPEAKER_00: The problem with him so far in the pros has been, he's been matched very, very tough.
48:30
SPEAKER_00: And at times he can take damage, swelling.
48:32
SPEAKER_00: And then there was a freak occurrence where he...
48:36
SPEAKER_00: Where a fight was stopped kind of unjustly and ruled a loss for him.
48:40
SPEAKER_00: It just feels like Moreno in this fight is looking to box someone that's able
48:44
SPEAKER_00: to box better than him and able to walk him down and able to fight in both stances.
48:48
SPEAKER_00: I give Navarro a big advantage.
48:52
SPEAKER_00: He's going to have a local following,
48:57
SPEAKER_00: and he's going to be motivated,
48:59
SPEAKER_00: and it's probably going to produce the most exciting crowd response of any fight.
49:03
SPEAKER_00: And I'm going to argue that it's probably the best fight on the card.
49:06
SPEAKER_00: Let's do a real quick film study of
49:13
SPEAKER_00: Tiago Osieri-Maksanga
49:17
SPEAKER_00: versus Musamu Kakandi.
49:21
SPEAKER_00: Probably said that super right.
49:36
SPEAKER_00: Lukusanga, big puncher.
49:39
SPEAKER_00: You know, he's loading up on everything.
49:41
SPEAKER_00: He has some form of a jab,
49:43
SPEAKER_00: but his big thing that he wants to do is he wants to cut the distance,
49:46
SPEAKER_00: be a small fighter, and he shoots a straight right hand.
49:50
SPEAKER_00: And that's really what he's looking for.
49:52
SPEAKER_00: Let's look later in the fight to see how he does it.
49:55
SPEAKER_00: It's like there's not a lot of nuance to it.
49:57
SPEAKER_00: It's a lot of come forward.
50:00
SPEAKER_00: Right in front of you, you miss, I'm punching hard.
50:03
SPEAKER_00: It's a lot of one speed, it's a lot of power.
50:06
SPEAKER_00: So probably not a world-class style unless there's the right matchup for him.
50:12
SPEAKER_00: Let's check out Mezmerki Kaneda.
50:19
SPEAKER_00: Top tier boxing, I like that.
50:24
SPEAKER_00: Okay, Kakandi.
50:26
SPEAKER_00: I mean...
50:29
SPEAKER_00: He's kind of the opposite.
50:30
SPEAKER_00: But the thing like in theory,
50:32
SPEAKER_00: he should be able to beat a fighter like this, but he has some horrible faults.
50:37
SPEAKER_00: He falls in with his punches.
50:39
SPEAKER_00: So when he when he goes to throw his jab,
50:42
SPEAKER_00: he reaches, which means he leans his nose over his toes and he has good reflexes.
50:47
SPEAKER_00: He's got a good ability to fight at range, but he just like falls in.
50:51
SPEAKER_00: And when he falls in, he gets hit.
50:52
SPEAKER_00: He throws maybe too many combos.
50:54
SPEAKER_00: So he throws maybe four or five punches.
50:56
SPEAKER_00: Good fighters are going to catch you.
50:58
SPEAKER_00: One or two shots.
50:59
SPEAKER_00: So while Kakandi has more attributes I'm drawn to, his faults play strongly into his opponent.
51:06
SPEAKER_00: His opponent can time him.
51:07
SPEAKER_00: His opponent can punch with him because he simply stands in front of his opponent too long.
51:12
SPEAKER_00: He's too greedy with his combinations, probably from the opposition he's faced.
51:16
SPEAKER_00: But I would say that this is a very,
51:18
SPEAKER_00: very interesting fight because they're like,
51:20
SPEAKER_00: it's kind of a fight of the year on paper, the way the matchup plays out because...
51:26
SPEAKER_00: Of the styles.
51:27
SPEAKER_00: Because one guy is going to be there too much and the other guy is waiting
51:34
SPEAKER_00: to get off one good punch.
51:37
SPEAKER_00: That's the show for this week.
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SPEAKER_00: So thank you for tuning in to the Once a Week Podcast and I will be back next week.