Latest / Willow Healing Matters Podcast / How Do Loved Ones in Spirit Send Signs? | Karen Docherty Explains

Transcript

How Do Loved Ones in Spirit Send Signs? | Karen Docherty Explains · Willow Healing Matters Podcast

• 0:01
  SPEAKER_01: welcome to willowhealing matters the podcast we are so excited
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_01: to have you joining us on this journey where we explore different ways
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_01: to empower your soul whether it's healing in your kitchen or all the way up in
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_01: the corporate world come with us as we look into different ways
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_01: to heal your mind body and soul
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: my virtual obsession my romantic thriller is now available on amazon
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: and other online retailers this book explores the intersection of loneliness love
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: and how chasing perfection through technology can lead to fantasy
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: and reality colliding my virtual obsession out now
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_02: hey everyone it's catherine crestani with another episode of willow healing matters
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_02: and today i am joined by the beautiful karen doherty so since the discovery
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_02: of her abilities karen has worked timelessly to bring the word of spirit to those
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_02: who need it most from the uk to the usa from asia to australia clients from all over
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_02: the world meet with karen to receive readings enroll in mentorships and share
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_02: a space for discussions on the power of spirit
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_02: a woman with spirit and a breath of fresh air karen offers a contemporary approach
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_02: to psychic work and mediumship based on traditional principles filled with love
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_02: and compassion she stands as one of the most reputable and skilled mediums
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_02: in modern times karen offers one-to-one sessions as well as mentorship but welcome
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_02: to the show karen nice to be here catherine thank you
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_02: so did you always have psychic abilities and mediumship or was it something
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_02: that came online and you went through one
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_03: of those crazy journeys well you know i've always felt spirit i've always been aware
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_03: that there was another place i always remember you know
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_03: when i was young just knowing that there was other people
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_03: and especially you know i started to see spirit and feel them and when that started
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_03: to happen
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_03: i just i wasn't frightened it wasn't something that i thought was out of
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_03: the ordinary at that point it felt very natural it just felt like oh yeah there's
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_03: the man he's from the other place you know that's how it felt i was young at
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_03: the time maybe five six around about that age and then as i kind of grew and became
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_03: a teenager and developed you know personally within myself
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_03: then i started to realize like hmm maybe not everyone is seeing this
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_03: or maybe not everyone does know what this is and even at
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_03: that point like it still took me a few years after that to actually know that i was
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_03: a medium it was a feeling of like the penny dropping and realizing
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_03: that this is what it is so i've always felt it and it's always been natural
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_03: but i didn't necessarily know what it was yeah i i find sometimes
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_02: because you don't have that contrast you're like oh doesn't everybody do this
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_03: exactly yeah my grandmother she used to say karen brings spirit
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_03: with her everywhere she goes and
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_03: she kind of recognized it and when i used to see people i would tell her
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_03: and she would just say the dead don't harm you it's fine
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_03: and it was just as simple as that she didn't discuss it so
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_03: it made me feel then like I could see these things in her home anyway and
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_03: it was fine but when i was getting to teenage years and picking things up
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_03: for my friends and you know saying to a friend at
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_03: that age you know your grandmother's standing behind you or she's telling me this or
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_03: that and your friends are kind of looking at you like hmm really then you started
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_03: to feel like oh okay this is something different
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_02: trust the teenagers to bring it down right absolutely absolutely that is such
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_02: a beautiful thing that your grandmother did for you but because
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_02: so often kids shut down the gifts if no one believes them right
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_02: and they it's sometimes i i always share
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_02: with parents just trust what they're telling you because it's true i said even
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_02: if you don't understand it they're still more connected than what you'll ever be
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_03: i absolutely agree and i think so many parents react to it in a way
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_03: because they don't know what it is so for them you know
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_03: if their child's telling them that there's a lady in the room
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_03: or whatever it might be you know years gone by it was put down to
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_03: an imaginary friend like when i was young it would always be it's
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_03: an imaginary friend well now we know that that's actually not the case
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_03: and children usually under school age under the age of five i would say
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_03: connect with spirit so easily because they are still very connected to their spirit
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_03: and it's only through life conditioning school development you know
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_03: that sixth sense kind of gets shelved a little bit and it's not developed
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_03: so obviously most children will forget about that some who are mediumistic won't
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_03: but most do but i think that parents react in a way that
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_03: because they don't know what it is it's frightening for them
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_03: and that kind of i think influences the child's perception of it which can promote
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_03: the fear in the child of what they're seeing so yeah i mean if you
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_03: if you're lucky enough to have supportive parents or grandparents or people
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_03: that can understand then yeah i think i was very blessed with that
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_02: yeah it's interesting you bring that up because i think i was about two
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_02: or three around that age and my great grandfather passed away and i remember going
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_02: to my great grandmother's house and saying to her where's where's pop
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_02: and she's like what are you what are you talking about he
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_02: like my mom's like you went to the funeral remember he's he's
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_02: in heaven you know whatever it was that they were telling me but then i'm looking at
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_02: the garden and i can see him working in the garden
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_02: so my little self was like this doesn't make sense you know like what are you
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_02: talking about
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_02: like i don't remember the funeral i don't remember any of that
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_02: to me i was probably just like everyone's sad in
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_02: a big room it was just like i don't know what are you talking about and
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_02: then years later he's like actually it was only recently my mom went oh you know how
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_02: do you think i felt every time i went dropped you off
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_02: at your great grandmother's house i saw your great grandfather walking in the garden
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_02: and i was like
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_02: why you know why didn't you say anything you know because my mom also had this fear
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_02: that i guess she didn't want me to seem crazy and then at
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_02: the same time she was afraid that people would think she was crazy
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_02: so i feel it's just that like you said that fear of not understanding but then also
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_02: that fear of how other people will perceive you at the same time
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_03: yeah and i think that that carries on you know because even as i kind of grew
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_03: into my mediumship and realized that's what it was it took me a long time
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_03: to start telling people that's what i did because there was
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_03: a reaction you know there was visibly a reaction with people
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_03: because they don't always understand it or they don't believe
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_03: in it they're skeptical whatever their reasons were for that reaction
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_03: but it came to a point with me that this is
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_03: who i am this is not something i have chosen as in oh i think today i'm going
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_03: to learn to become a medium it's who i am it's every part of me so then i got
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_03: by my confidence with it and just
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_03: i said yeah that's what i do and it doesn't matter to me what people's reaction is
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_03: to that it never matters to me because i know what i do is what i do
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_03: but initially it can take your confidence away a little bit you know i speak to lots
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_03: of my students and developing mediums and they all say
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_03: the same thing i don't really want to share it or tell people because
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_03: of what they think you know but you know you should just have the confidence to do
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_03: that
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_02: yeah it's really beautiful that you encourage them to do that and embrace
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_02: who they are because it's almost like when you
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_02: don't accept that part of you or hiding that part of you you're putting a mask on
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_02: and you're not showing up authentically and then i know personally sometimes
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_02: that can interfere with the messages you get or the information that you get
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_02: because you're not sure of yourself and the best thing someone ever said
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_02: to me is god is your boss so why are you questioning god just like stand aside
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_02: and let god do the work like okay i can do that
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_03: you know it's a good way to look at it because as humans what we do is we have
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_03: to have reasons for everything our mind tells us that we need an answer or
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_03: a solution because the mind is logical so it's going to step in to give you
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_03: that answer
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_03: but when you learn to move that out of the way you're never going
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_03: to close your mind down you need your mind so you're never going to close that but
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_03: if you learn to observe that that's the thoughts of your mind and just have
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_03: an understanding of this is a higher connection and I'm open for this once you get
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_03: that into your own way then it makes it so much easier to take the ego out of
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_03: the way and just surrender to that and it just makes your mediumship stronger yeah
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_02: and it's you're taking taking yourself out of the picture i think it's
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_03: the biggest thing there right yeah your own fears your own you know we all do it you
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_03: know i was my own biggest critic and i still will be because that's part
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_03: of my personality and that's how i am and i think one of
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_03: the best things i learned early on was to be able to say
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_03: you know the current you're just being current right now like stop thinking
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_03: about it stop you know that's just the current part of you
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_03: and it was almost like i had to separate that to find my confidence
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_03: with what i was feeling and surrender to that because i was able to kind
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_03: of disassociate it with the character part of me and just say that's
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_03: the mediumship part of me and that's how i kind of learned to develop that
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_03: a little bit more
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_02: and so as you've been working as a medium and you know putting karen aside
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_02: but what have you been what have you found being
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_02: the most surprising thing that's come through from working with spirits on
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_02: the other side or working with clients what have been asked that question
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_03: so many times and there's so many different aspects of mediumship
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_03: and what it brings forward i think
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_03: personally through my mediumship development um
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_03: the biggest thing you get is your personal development right so you start looking at
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_03: the world in a different way you start looking at your life in
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_03: a different way you don't tolerate things
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_03: at one time you might have tolerated you don't look at things in the same way at all
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_03: the personal development side was huge for me like it just allowed me
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_03: to be me finally whereas before then
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_03: i was being the person that i needed to be for everyone else or what
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_03: though i should be or you know and it just took all of that away and for me
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_03: that was completely amazing and that's one thing that i do
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_03: if you ever speak to any of my students at any time
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_03: or hear anyone that's been taught by me they'll say the same thing that I always go
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_03: on about your personal development being the biggest thing because if you can get
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_03: that done and you can understand who you are then your mediumship will only flourish
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_03: and develop from there so that side of it really amazed me but
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_03: speaking from the spirit side of it i think i think the the biggest thing for me was
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_03: the healing aspect of it that came from the spirit world because
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_03: at one time i think we're led to believe that when you're over in
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_03: the spirit world you know where you are everything's fine well you know
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_03: that you're not dead you're fine and there's no grief and it's a happy place and all
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_03: the rest of it really that's not the way it is all the time meaning
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_03: they still grieve you know when people cross
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_03: over they still grieve their physical life they still grieve
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_03: that they maybe can't give their children a hug or speak to their husband
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_03: or their wife or whoever it might be so the spirit world still have to go
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_03: through grief but it's not the same as our grief because
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_03: in this world it feels very final like we're never going to see them again
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_03: but on the other side they know they will they know that what what it's all about
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_03: but they still have to grieve in an emotional way and i think when i learned that
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_03: and developed that part of my mediumship it really opened my eyes to how i wanted
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_03: to conduct my mediumship through readings it really helped me to do
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_02: that that's beautiful and i'm glad you brought that up because it's a lot
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_02: of people just
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_02: i think that you know you go towards the light and it's all done
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_02: but it's really not it's this process of you know the life reviews
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_02: and you know all those sorts of things and sometimes they don't quite make it to
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_02: the right place too i i feel that you've probably dealt with that too i call them
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_02: the lost souls like they especially if it's been like
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: a really traumatic ending i find they just are really stuck
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_02: between everything it's almost like they're like
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_02: oh but i'm still here but i'm not still here they find it really hard to figure out
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_02: where they are in the especially normally car crashes if i drive through a car crash
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: that was quite crazy or like drive past it they'll come and they'll sit in my car
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_02: and this is just me personally and i'll be like why are you here
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_02: and they're like what are you talking
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: about we're just still traveling you know we're still in the car and they
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_02: and it's almost like they get stuck in the in-between i don't know if you found
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_02: that too i've had a couple i think that way too
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_03: yeah i think for me and it's not that i it's not that i believe that they're stuck
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_03: or lost i think that when we go over to the spirit world we know exactly
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_03: where we are we're back home so there's a higher intelligence of spirit and i think
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_03: that when we are in the spirit part of ourselves the higher self then we know
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_03: that we're home but i do think the emotional trauma can
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_03: keep you know that kind of stays it's like a residual energy if you like
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_03: and yes i think with traumatic passings it can take that spirit time that soul time
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_03: to understand and to accept and to look at the life review and what happened it just
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_03: for me seems to be
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_03: where there's a residual energy of that because
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_03: of how it happened spiritually i do feel they're fine and they're okay
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_03: and they're not lost and they're not earthbound i just don't that doesn't make sense
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_03: to me but that's just to me like every medium experiences things in
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_03: a different way my understanding is we know where we are
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_03: there's nobody stopping us going forward in that space
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_03: but i also feel like emotional trauma can really be very grounding if you like
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_03: if you want to call it that and i think it takes longer to work through that
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_02: yes that's all i have to say to that yes a hundred percent and for those
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_02: who are questioning if they i know a lot of people i speak
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_02: to sometimes it's just really validating
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_02: when they said i always feel it's my grandmother around me or it's my mom
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_02: or whoever what are some signs that people can possibly look for or ask for
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_02: that there might be loved ones around or that they might be feeling
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_02: or seeing like someone that's passed
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_03: yeah i think signs are a big deal aren't they for people because it's the only thing
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_03: that they have that's kind of not believable but something that they can connect
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_03: with and i think the biggest thing is that if you feel your person is there or
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_03: if suddenly you've got the energy of them
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_03: or you just suddenly feel like oh wow i thought i felt my mom there believe it i
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_03: think the biggest thing is to believe
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_03: that that comes in at the most random time you weren't thinking about
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_03: that person you weren't looking for a sign at that point and it comes anyway but
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_03: the believing in your feeling i suppose is easy enough
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_03: because you felt something you felt
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_03: that move your mind will tell you it's not true your mind will tell you it's your
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_03: imagination and that's the kind of battle that most people have with that
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_03: but then there's physical signs that you can receive you know like my grandfather
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_03: when he passed away we started me
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_03: and my sisters we were all finding five pences you know everywhere
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_03: and it was my grand had always said to us there's a shilling for you and
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_03: a shilling was old money for five pence
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_03: and so we were like oh that's grandad that's definitely grandad and
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_03: that has continued even my children now will say grandad jim must have been there
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_03: because there was five pence in my shoe you know
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_03: so we can get those signs now my grandfather in the spirit world will know
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_03: that that's working so he will try to influence these things to happen
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_03: and that's how it works with your own loved ones so if there's roses let's say
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_03: that is your sign
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_03: and suddenly there's a rose petal or you get the scent of roses or something like
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_03: that then believe in it the biggest thing is it's hard to believe it
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_03: because your mind will tell you it's not true so that battle between mind
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_03: and soul is a difficult one sometimes
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_03: but there are plenty like flashing lights lights going on
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_03: and off coins birds some people talk about robins or cardinals
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_03: and there's all different ones but whatever feels right for you that resonates
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_03: within your soul then believe it
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_02: yeah i mean i think if you're not sure
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_02: and you're questioning it that's why it's good to talk
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_02: to someone like yourself karen right or somebody that is a bit more connected
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_02: because i have had clients come in and they're like oh i keep seeing
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_02: a robin actually that was one of the examples and is it weird
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_02: that every time i think about my mom i see a robin i said no that's your mom
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_02: and they're like
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_02: really and it was just they had to have that reflected back to them and have
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_02: that acceptance because like you said your mind likes to take it away
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_02: and sometimes it's the most unusual signs like i had a client
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_02: and he was actually irish background and his brother came
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_02: through this big mass very masculine irish you know saint patrick's day favorite
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_02: holiday kind of thing and he's like i'm gonna come through as a butterfly i'm like
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_02: yeah just sitting there really a butterfly and within a couple of days of me sharing
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_02: that with his brother a butterfly landed on his hand and wouldn't move for over
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_02: an hour you know and then just kept showing up so even if we our mind tries
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: to explain it away or we think it's very illogical i love the penny example or
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: the shilling example sorry because
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_02: you knew that was your grandfather straight away you know
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_02: for me like my grandmothers show up when i'm cooking
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: to critique like they're like you know no put that herb there or they'll throw
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_02: a herb away i'm like okay it's not that one
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_02: but it's just you know trusting what feels true for you and allowing that
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: to blossom i feel
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_03: and also you know what's what's the harm in that
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_03: because people are ready i think sometimes to call it down
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_03: or say that's not your uncle or that's not your grandmother
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_03: or that's your imagination and that's more about them and what they believe
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_03: and i think sometimes like when my mum my mum's in the spirit world now and
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_03: when she was getting her tests done for her medical
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_03: things we were in the hospital and we walked down this corridor
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_03: and there was no one around which is so unusual it's a busy hospital huge hospital
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_03: so we're just walking towards where she's getting the test done and there was
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_03: a five pound note lying on the floor and i said are you seeing that's five pounds
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_03: and we looked around and there was not
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_03: a soul around it's not like we could have shouted
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_03: to someone you've dropped your money or whatever there was no one there
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_03: so my mum laughed and she said
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_03: she said maybe your granddad's upgraded it to five pounds
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_03: and not five pence maybe he wants us to get a cup of coffee after the test so we had
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_03: a laugh we went in we got the test and we went and had a cup
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_03: of coffee afterwards well when we went back for
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_03: the results two weeks later we were walking down the exact same corridor
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_03: and i looked down i could not believe my eyes
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_03: and i said you're not mum look you're not going to believe this another five pound
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_03: in the exact same spot no one claiming it no one looking at it like it didn't exist
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_03: and we couldn't believe it and i said well that's definitely granddad
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_03: that is definitely and she really got bad news that day and i said come
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_03: on he wants us to go and have a cup of coffee and that's what we did things like
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_03: that people might say things like that that was just coincidence or
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_03: that was you know that was just the and you're like you cannot explain that
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_03: the feeling that it gave my mum that day was comfort our dad was there
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_03: with her he was watching over her no matter what
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_03: and you can't take that away from people and and i don't think
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_03: that you ever should try i think you let people believe what feels good for them 100
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_02: and you know how do you even explain that away i don't believe in coincidences
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_02: or accidents i believe everything's synchronicities right
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: it's meant to happen how it's meant to happen
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_02: that my god sorry they're like ask it is so they're telling me to ask you
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_02: about angry spirits when people encounter angry energy
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_02: or angry spirits what is what what is your take on that
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_03: you know i think that it depends because angry in what sense so i've communicated
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_03: with thousands of people over the years and there's been times where i have felt
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_03: a very oppressive energy or an angry person in the spirit world angry
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_03: about maybe things that happened in their lifetime here or things
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_03: that were still going on here you know you can pick up emotions but we have
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_03: to remember that it is just an emotion
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_03: it's not that they are in the spirit world and they're stuck
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_03: and they're just angry all the time part of the communication to the medium
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_03: or you know whoever they're working through at that point so even
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_03: though i felt it's not the easiest energy to feel in a sense
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_03: of it does make you feel a little bit on edge in some sense like you're almost aware
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_03: that
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_03: this is doesn't feel calm but i'm never frightened
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_03: of it i'm never feeling like it's going to encroach upon this world or me or
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_03: the person that's sitting in front of me i just tend to work through the emotion
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_03: of it find out why there's anger there communicate in the same way that i would
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_03: with anyone else remembering as well that we all have free will in
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_03: the spirit world too so
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_03: at the end of the day if someone's caught in that angry emotion and they're refusing
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_03: to move past it in the spirit world then that's something that they're refusing
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_03: to do that's just always going to be the energy of that person then
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_03: because we all develop in the spirit side as well we all have to move
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_03: through emotions and develop ourselves over there too
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_03: i don't get frightened of it does it exist yes of course you're going
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_03: to pick up lots of different emotions with lots of different spirits
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_03: but it's not something that worries me or that i think they carry on to this world
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_03: to harm or any of that i don't believe in that side of it as such
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_02: so okay thank you so i had this incident
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_02: in my old office many years ago not many years ago a few years ago
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_02: and there was weird stuff happening so it was like the pictures on
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: the wall were suddenly dropping off and smashing and then it was just
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: after christmas time and i brought in this santa with lollies in it
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_02: which i didn't want and i just brought it to share with the other staff members
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_02: and it got thrown across the room
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_02: and i'm i'm just sitting there going oh my goodness what is going on and
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: then my boss came in and i was like can i clear this place can i like smudge it
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_02: and clear the energy because obviously he owned it so i couldn't shift it
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_02: and he goes oh it's just the building next door
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_02: because they're doing foundations it's shaking everything and the three of us
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_02: that were in the staff room talking about these things we all just looked at him
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_02: because we all believed in spirits and things we're like no
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_02: this is not shaking of the walls this is there's something really angry
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: but what it turned out being was that the because they were digging
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_02: the foundations they were shaking up the land like older spirits
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: that had been buried in the land and they were trying to get our attention so
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: that they could be what i found helped to transition just that last little bit over
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_02: but that that was my example of like an angry spirit but i know i've had clients too
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_02: where they've talked about they've gone to a house and just weird things happen all
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_03: the time and and that sort of thing as well yeah i mean activity is going to happen
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_03: at times you know i think that's most of the time
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_03: it will be where somebody's trying to get attention right
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_03: so like pictures coming off
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_03: the wall things moving objects moving it's all like what we term as paranormal
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_03: or supernatural but it's just spirit trying to get the attention
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_03: and i know mavis patilla i don't know if you've heard of mavis patilla she's
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_03: a she was an english medium she's in the spirit world now she's one of my mentors
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_03: from early on
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_03: and she told the story about going to a family's house
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_03: and they were having all this kind of poltergeist activity things getting thrown
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_03: about and all the rest of it and they were frightened and she went
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_03: and she communicated with the spirit who actually was the grandfather of the family
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_03: and he told her to go up into the loft and she went up into the loft
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_03: and they found drugs that were getting stored in the loft one of
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_03: the kids was getting himself into a crowd of people
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_03: that he shouldn't have been involved with and all the rest of it
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_03: and there was drugs up in the loft
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_03: and this grandfather all he was trying to do was get their attention to get a medium
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_03: so that a medium could converse and pass on what was and after that nothing happened
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_03: so in that instance if they didn't speak to a reputable medium
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_03: or somebody that knew what they were talking
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_03: about they would just think they had this angry spirit there that was going
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_03: to harm them or trying to frighten them but it wasn't it was just the grandfather
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_03: so i think sometimes when when it's frightening as well you know when things like
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_03: that are happening i mean i wouldn't like that to happen i'm a medium
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_03: and i don't want that happening so because it feels so unnatural to us to see it or
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_03: to experience that so it is frightening but fear
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_03: can promote more fear you know when when the mind goes in a fearful place
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_03: or thinks it's something bad because the mind doesn't know
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_03: so it tells you it's bad it tells you be on your guard this isn't normal
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_03: then it promotes more fear within the person which will only create more kind
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_03: of negative energy if you want to call it that yeah it's like
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: a self-perpetuating cycle right yeah it just keeps driving and driving
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_03: but it does exist and it does happen activity does happen you know yeah
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: but i find it's
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_02: you're better off to be curious about it than um getting to freak out about it
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_02: because like you said because they called in
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_02: the medium they found out what was happening with the sun you know otherwise
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: that wouldn't have happened you know for me if they hadn't been knocking
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: the things off the walls and throwing throwing things across i wouldn't have known
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_02: that the land just needed to be honored and released because
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: you know we don't actually consciously think about that sometimes too
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_02: when we're digging into the earth to build or you know put infrastructure
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_02: through we forget that at one time maybe maybe there was something else there and
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: and acknowledging that part too so i love how you phrase that karen
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: that it's just you know you know coming back to finding out what is
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_02: the reason underneath it too
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_02: because it's there's something bigger normally that's what i found
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_03: as well yeah yeah i agree
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_02: yeah so being a medium teaching others and i know we've gone
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: through you know teaching people to accept themselves
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_02: and their gifts what are some other tips that you might have for people
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: who are listening who are just curious about what mediumship is all
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_02: about can actually can everyone be a medium or it's only certain people can be
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_02: a medium that's the question i feel something through yeah
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_03: yeah i i think every every single person that walks
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_03: the stairs is psychic okay we're all psychic to a degree
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_03: because it's our sixth sense it's what we come here with from the spirit world it's
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_03: that part of us that's still connected to spirit so some people will call it
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_03: a hunch some people say sixth sense some people will just say high intuition
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_03: whatever you call that that is the psychic part of you so everyone can develop that
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_03: to a degree
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_03: i'm not saying everyone can develop it and then become working psychics
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_03: and do readings for people it might be that somebody develops it just
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_03: for themselves somebody else develops it and they're great at it and they're going
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_03: to read for other people and know about energy so we can all do that to
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_03: a degree um mediumship i feel is slightly different it's not i think we can all
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_03: connect with spirit our own loved ones we can talk to them we can connect with them
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_03: i don't necessarily believe that everyone should be out there doing mediumship
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_03: and taking a training course for six weeks or workshops and
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_03: then saying you know yeah okay i'm a medium now i don't feel it works like
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_03: that i think that you're born with some form of that
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_03: it's not a vocation for you to do if that's what you choose to do
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_03: because again we all have free will so even
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_03: if you have it and you're thinking yeah i definitely can do that but i don't want to
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_03: that's fine too is something that has to come from within
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_03: so everyone can develop their abilities for what their ability is
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_03: everyone can developed that to a degree but i
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_03: don't think everyone's meant to be a medium
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_03: i feel it's the same as you know
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_03: I can maybe sing a song but
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not Beyonce
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_03: you know and no one's going to make me that no matter how hard they try so i think
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_03: that we all have abilities within ourselves to kind of develop and nurture and
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_02: then see where it goes yeah thank you that makes so much sense
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_02: to me anyone's listening and it's just listen to
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_02: that again we all have psychic gifts and but it just depends
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_02: what your skill set is right and i feel that's why we're all here
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_02: because we're not all meant to be doing the same things we're here to collaborate
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_02: and support each other and you know work off each other as well yeah and being
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_03: a medium you know isn't all about communication with mums and dads and people in
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_03: the spirit world being a medium is about helping it's about
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_03: bringing something of the soul to the people that's in front
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_03: of you you know counselors you listen
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_03: to counselors now they wouldn't call themselves mediums
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_03: but they're absolutely doing mediumistic work in the sense
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_03: of helping helping restore people
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_03: helping heal you know we all do nurses doctors musicians write songs
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_03: that are very heavily inspired from the higher spirit
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_03: to help people music helps people it heals people so we all are doing it
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_03: in our own ways but i think there's such a fascination with i want to be able
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: to speak to dead people and i think over the last few years anyway because
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_03: of social media and because you know tv and everybody you can find it anywhere now
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_03: i think there's such a lot of anybody can do this come to a course you'll you know
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_03: in six weeks time you'll be able to go and do reading for someone that's the part
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_03: that worries me because that is not true and it's damaging
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_03: if people don't understand spirit and at first we've got to understand who we are
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_03: as spirit in human form before we can even think about communication with
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_03: the spirit world so i think it's much more in depth than what
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_03: the entertainment industry kind of puts out there as
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_02: yeah and i feel too this is where if you start dabbling
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_02: in things you don't fully understand it can have repercussions and it can especially
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_02: when you're you know i always think of the example of
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_02: a ouija board right you know it used to be like this thing that kids would do just
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_02: for the fun of it and i'm like but what are you calling in how do you know it's
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_02: a malevolent or a benevolent spirit you know you don't know
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_02: because you don't know any better and this is the
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_02: and it's not to say that spirits are good or bad but it's still there's still
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_02: that balance of what you're calling in and understanding that background
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_02: and yes just because you do a course
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_02: for six weeks doesn't mean you become something i always liken it to just
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_02: because you're 20 and you do a life coach course doesn't mean you're
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_03: a life coach exactly yeah and it's experience and it's understanding and it's all of
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_03: the things that make you you
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_03: that come into effect with certainly within mediumship you know every experience
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_03: that i've had in my life and things that i had to go through and things
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_03: that i've lived through and dealt with all come into my mediumship
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_03: because it's really a medium is about using every part of themselves in conjunction
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_03: with their mediumship and mediumistic abilities to help people
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_03: and that's really what it's all about so it's not a quick fix
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_03: and it's not something it's not glam it's not like i want to be a medium tomorrow
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_03: and that's what's going to happen unfortunately the world we live
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_03: in now is very fast-paced and everything's accessible but people need to understand
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_03: that if you are in development if there are people listening to this
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_03: and you are interested and you are
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_03: in development take it easy take it slow understand your journey
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_03: because your journey is what's going to propel your mediumship
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_02: yeah beautiful thank you for that reminder karen 100 and as we start
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_02: to finish up our time i ask
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_02: the guests that come on this show if you could heal or change something in the world what would
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_03: it be so many things um you know how do you answer that especially with the way
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_03: the world is and I know that we've all had
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_03: like all generations have had to live through something right so i know
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_03: that people talk about how bad things are now and how it's going
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_03: but past generations have had to live through things you know
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_03: that have been terrible and awful so i think that this is a cycle
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_03: a human cycle thing that continually goes on and i'm hoping my feeling on it is is
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_03: that the the good's coming you know this is this is a really
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_03: kind of dark space that everyone i feel is in right now
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_03: and i feel like yeah i've just got to keep the faith that the good's coming
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_03: so what i would give anyone that was listening or what i would like to help is
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_03: for people to have that faith and that belief and don't lose that
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_03: because what else have you got you know i think that you have to have the faith
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_03: and belief that change will always bring better change at some point
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_03: so i would give everyone a little bit of that magic of faith and keeping hold of
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_03: that
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_02: yeah beautiful thank you and if people want to come and work
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_02: with you karen will learn about more about your mentoring courses where's
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_03: the best place they can go that is the website which is karendogherty.com beautiful
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_02: and i'll make sure to pop those details in the show notes as well as all
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_02: the beautiful socials that you have and everything like that but thank you karen
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_02: for sharing your time your wisdom and a bit about more into mediumship and
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_02: the ethics around that too i feel and allowing yourself to let those gifts develop
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_02: so if anyone if you are listening and you enjoyed this episode please feel free
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_02: to like share or subscribe check out karen's wife below in the show notes
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_02: and karen thank you so much for spending this time with me
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_02: and sharing your journey thank you so much katherine it's been
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: a pleasure hey beautiful souls it is katherine cristani here and i wanted to have
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_01: a chat with you about a really amazing
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: cacao that i drink to help me get in ceremony to help me ground but also just
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_02: because it tastes freaking good so if you're curious and want to know
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_02: about drinking something other than coffee
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: or your standard tea why not check out creation cacao i love this with a bit
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: of honey and cinnamon sprinkled in and just letting it brew and having
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: that whole intention as you create this cup
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: so if you're curious if i want to know more check out the link in the show notes and
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: in the bio and enjoy
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for listening to Willow Healing Matters, the podcast.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: We have so much love and gratitude that you are taking
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: the time out of your day to empower you on your healing journey.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: The views shared by the person being interviewed
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: might not necessarily reflect that of the host
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: and should be used in your own discernment.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: Trust what resonates with you
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: and follow your heart and soul guidance.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: If you have any underlying medical conditions or mental health
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: please consult with your health care provider before pursuing any of
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: the recommendations likewise you can always contact the person being interviewed
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: to find out more information this can be found in the show note remember
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_01: to activate align heal empower and find love in everything that you do