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Burnout, Boundaries, and Barking Dogs · You Know What I Mean?

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  Hello. Good morning, my friend.
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  Good. Morning.
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  How are we today? Good.
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  So it's so funny because I was thinking the other day where
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  there are things that I would text you to tell you, but I want
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  to wait until the pod. It's so funny you said that
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  because I felt the same way about something I want to ask
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  you. And then also, I was going to
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  message you when I saw your orange plant this morning.
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  The orange. Tree, the orange tree.
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  A so jealous. I want to sniff it with you.
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  B I've just like the last two days felt kind of just like in a
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  funk. So then when I saw like your
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  sunshine and like the orange, I was like, I don't want to be
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  here. I saw that it was sunny and then
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  it got, Mandy shared. It was not sunny.
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  And that's like literally spring in Wisconsin.
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  It goes from like could feel like summer to it could feel
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  like winter within. Like today it's 32.
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  And I shouldn't like, I shouldn't complain, but it's
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  like, I'm just going to complain a little bit because we're still
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  supposed to be in Florida. But it's just like, the last two
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  days have just been completely Gray and just like, and I'm
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  literally like, I've been thinking, I know Casey feels the
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  same way. Like, why do we live here?
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  And I know the reason why that we stay living here is family.
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  Like, yeah. And obviously we love our
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  community with people we work with and stuff like that.
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  But like, genuinely, I'm like, these are the moments that make
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  me want to move. But then the summer makes me
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  like, Oh yeah, I love it here so much.
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  Yeah, we we were talking about that the other day.
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  Where we so often I'm like, if Kate and Casey were here, we'd
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  be going for a bike ride right now like we was.
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  Actually thinking, have you guys gone for a bike ride since we've
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  left? Not a bike ride, but walks.
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  Oh, of course you guys always walk but.
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  Even going for a walk when we usually wouldn't like and we
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  walked up to get ice cream the other day.
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  Oh love that. Did you get the salted caramel?
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  They didn't have it so I had to get which was still good, but it
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  was like a lemon cookie one. It was good, but not the IT
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  doesn't have the umami. Of Oh yeah, OK, I have a burning
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  question for you. What?
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  How was lasagna and booze? Oh my gosh.
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  OK, It was really great. My expectation was so different
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  than what it turned out to be. Pause.
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  Can you get just a slight background of like why you're
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  going over to 70 something year old's house for the first time
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  in your neighborhood, which nothing wrong with that, but
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  just a little contact for our people.
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  OK, so whenever my dad, who he passed away in November of 2023,
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  we were very close. He'd come over almost weekly for
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  coffee dates and he would, I mean, so often he would mention
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  his friend John, who was a florist, had a florist company
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  and he sold it. And then he, him and his wife
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  bought an older home in our neighborhood and tore it down
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  and they were going to build a new home.
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  And so when he was still here, it was still the old house and
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  like, they just started tearing it down.
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  But he would always talk so much about it, like, oh, John's so
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  excited. It's so cool he's living in this
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  neighborhood. One day I actually tried to give
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  him directions and I'm very similar to him with directions
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  where it's like, I don't, don't tell me north and east.
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  I don't know where that is joining the landmark.
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  Like turned by the ice cream shop.
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  Wait, but like when we were. Side note, when we were helping
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  you out trying to help you find a Airbnb and Bobby sent you
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  coordinates. I almost, I almost died.
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  I was like Casey, Bobby sent me coordinates.
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  I don't know how to find this. He's like, I I'll help you.
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  And I'm just like who sends coordinates?
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  Because Bobby always knows where North and South and east and
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  West is. Seems as far as seems the only
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  way. I know even where which side it
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  is on is never eat soggy waffles.
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  I still have to say that to myself, OK?
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  Mine's never eat soggy Wheaties. You just like malfunctioned when
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  I said that and. It's such an odd saying.
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  Is that my Wisconsin thing? No, I don't think it's a
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  Wisconsin thing. Do you know Wheaties?
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  The cereal. Cereal.
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  Yeah. Yeah, I used to love Wheaties
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  for some reason as a kid, so I think my parents just said it
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  was Wheaties then. OK, because soggy Wheaties suck.
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  You need to like eat Wheaties quick.
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  That's the part that got me the soggy, not the Wheaties, but the
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  soggy Wheaties, OK. Wait, didn't you just say soggy
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  waffles? I did.
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  Wait, what? What?
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  OK, sometimes I just forget what happened 2 seconds ago one.
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  Word. And it was Wheaties.
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  OK, back to John. OK so so ever since then I've
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  been like, oh I it would be cool to meet him.
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  Like ever since my dad passed, I've part of me has just wanted
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  to be around people that knew him.
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  So we, I ran into his wife one time when I took Johnny on a
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  walk and we there, the older guy that lives across the street
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  from them who's like in his 80s or 90s, would come out and talk
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  with us. And then John's wife Sally came
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  out and was I was like, oh, you knew my dad, Joe, Man Gaskell.
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  And so then when you all were in town, I saw John outside working
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  in his yard. And I was like, oh, man, we
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  should go over and just say hi. So we went over.
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  He took us into the backyard and we went into, because they have
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  a new build for their house. It's really nice.
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  And he took us into his man cave, which is behind a
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  bookshelf, which is really cool. And.
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  An indoor bookshelf. An indoor bookshop slides it.
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  So cool and took us in and he showed I was.
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  I didn't know that they were close in this way.
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  I know they played GG together. But he showed me a picture of my
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  dad on his wall in a golf cart and I started crying.
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  And so then I think later that day or a few days later, his
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  wife texted me asking us over to dinner.
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  Yeah, I think it was that day. Yeah, yeah.
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  So something that was interesting and this is just
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  perspective on when someone passes that you were really
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  close to. It's odd how things pop up like
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  stories people tell. And so John one, it was really
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  nice. They're both really great.
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  I thought I was going to walk in and there would be like music
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  playing and like I wondered if they were like partiers, boomers
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  or whatever. No walk in.
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  You can hear a pin drop which is interesting, but they were so.
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  For the dinner or. The dinner, OK.
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  Yeah, no, no, even like soft music playing or anything, no.
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  Soft music. I would have really, I'm like,
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  so I, you know me, I would have been like sent.
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  All right, here we were constantly putting on play
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  Olivia Dean music. Still do everyday.
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  See Still putting it. On I always start to the same
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  song and I'm Yeah. I and also, this is just my
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  problem. It's like if we're gonna be
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  sitting down and eating, I cannot just like, like with like
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  new people just sit there and hearing them.
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  Well, so we I think first they got us a drink or whatever.
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  I just had white wine, which was not good.
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  I don't, I don't miss white wine, but go I'd rather have a
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  cute cocktail. But anyway, so then we sit down.
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  She made this amazing lasagna. I'm sitting in a chair that's
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  like an antique from a restaurant downtown, which is,
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  it looks like it has leather. And right away I'm like, Oh no,
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  like I'm a little warm in this house.
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  What if I start sweating and I get up and there's like a butt
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  print. And so I my nerves got there.
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  Was. No, but I thought of that.
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  That's. What you were thinking?
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  Oh yeah, you are so worried about Quest.
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  Yeah, so nervous like you will never if you, I told you this,
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  if you catch me in khakis, you need to check on me 'cause yeah.
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  Things gone wrong. Yeah, so I even asked.
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  I was like, is it OK if I sweat on this chair 'cause I don't
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  know if this is like an antique or ruin it?
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  And he was like, what? No, it's like vinyl and it's OK.
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  Anyway, so it was nice. And then he started telling a
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  few stories about my dad that were, there's something about my
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  dad, who his personality was, who's very outgoing, very nice,
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  very personable. He liked being funny.
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  And so when guys he hung out with tell a story, it's usually
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  something that makes him kind of like the butt of the joke.
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  Like he was telling a story about how my dad, he wasn't
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  allowed to drive the golf cart anymore because he ran it into a
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  ditch or something. Or I don't know, the way he was
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  telling it was kind of like my dad seemed like silly.
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  I don't know, it was like a weird feeling.
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  And I was like, and I know they wouldn't even think that this is
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  how it went or whatever how I felt about it, but it just made
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  me feel like, oh wow. Like it's so interesting where
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  you perceive someone differently and then other people that hung
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  out with him perceive him in a different way.
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  But anyway, so it was great. It was so much fun.
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  We hung out on the back and had cocktails.
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  And then she texted me a few days later with a picture of the
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  golf cart that John was talking about.
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  And I was like, I just because at first I was like, oh, I don't
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  really like, OK, that's great. Whatever.
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  Yeah. So I just responded, OK, ha, ha,
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  'cause I was like, I, I didn't want to be like, oh, I love this
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  story so much. Tell me more.
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  And she immediately responded. She must be very intuitive or
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  something or like, I don't know. But she said, oh, I'm so sorry
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  if this hurt your feelings. Like I didn't mean it that way.
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  And I was like, wow, I don't know.
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  Oh, ha, ha, makes that OK. So and then I told her I was
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  honest with her and I said, I know you didn't mean it in this
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  way, but it just, I don't like hearing stories about my dad
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  that make him seem silly when that's not who my dad was to me.
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  He was so much more. So anyway, it was just it's like
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  a different. Interesting.
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  I feel like that is probably like it sounds like that was
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  easy for you to say or was that not?
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  So easy. That's yeah, I think that's like
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  probably. Would that have been that easy
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  like a couple years ago? No, why?
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  I think the people pleaser me that has gotten much quieter the
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  older I get. But I would worry too much
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  about, well, I don't want to make her uncomfortable.
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  But I was like, I'm just going to say it because I don't want
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  to. This is such a big thing when
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  you're grieving someone and I still am today but in a
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  different way. But I also, everyone, it's just
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  like how I've said to you so many times where I love when you
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  have. You're the only person in my
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  life, really who has done this, where you've asked about my dad
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  or wanted me to tell a story about him or you've kept him in
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  the conversation. Yeah.
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  And I think a lot of people tiptoe around it because they
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  don't want to make you sad. So it's like, so weird.
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  You don't know how to approach people when they're grieving.
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  Yeah. And so when I told her that I
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  really just wanted to be honest. And I I also wanted to say I, I
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  know you didn't mean anything by this, like just being around you
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  all and knowing that you knew him so well or in your own way,
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  that's special enough to me. But yeah, it wasn't hard.
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  Yeah. How was she?
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  How was her response to you after that I.
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  Mean there's only so much you can tell in a text.
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  But of course I didn't want her to feel bad.
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  And I was like, Sally, please, we had so much fun.
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  We really enjoyed it. You've gotten us a little closer
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  to wanting or trying to get our lake house one day.
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  So but yeah, I don't know. But then part of me is too like,
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  it's kind of what we talked about with owners.
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  Like you mentioned this on the last podcast.
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  Like especially when you're talking to an adult, they're an
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  adult, you know, you can't really control how they take
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  something. I don't know if you said it like
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  this, but that's how I feel where my intention is good.
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  I'm not trying to be an asshole. I'm just I I don't know if it's
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  cuz I'm 40 I could be a lie I don't know.
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  It's life experiences make me not gonna sugar coat stuff in
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  that way. I even think about that like not
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  that this makes anything OK, but like, I'm sure you feel this way
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  too. If someone were to ever say
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  something about like Bobby's personality or something like
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  it's almost like if it were to come across as, you know,
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  negative in any realm, you're going to get like defensive and
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  like same with me. Like if, if anyone's going to
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  like pick on Casey, I'm like, no way.
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  But I'm like, but if I say something that's a little bit
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  different, like I can, I can poke fun or I can, you know, to
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  an extent. One thing that I definitely know
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  that I used to do, and this is nothing against like my
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  mother-in-law or anything, but if there would be any sort of
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  like conversation and Casey would get brought up like, Oh
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  well, you know, men and stuff like that.
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  And like I just don't feel that way at all about Casey.
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  Like he has his tendencies of things that just and it's not
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  even a a man thing. It's just a Casey thing that he
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  does that, like, can, of course irritate me or like, left
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  cabinet doors open or something. But I don't love when people,
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  like, try to almost kind of like, talk negatively about,
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  like, their partner or like, yes, and loop me in, like, I'm
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  gonna agree with them. And I used to sit there and be
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  like, Oh yeah, like, I totally get that.
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  And I don't do that anymore. So it's kind of like that.
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  Very, very different. Just be here.
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  Yeah. So like I find myself now being
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  like, well, no, like, I don't feel that way with Casey, so I
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  don't relate, but I hear you. I used to just be like, oh,
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  yeah, I totally get it. I totally know.
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  Meanwhile, I'm like, no, like I don't, I don't want to talk
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  negatively about my partner. Like obviously there's something
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  going on, you're confiding in a friend or something, but I don't
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  know, I just feel very like also uncomfortable when other people
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  talk really negatively about their partner and not.
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  And again, if it's a friend that's just feeling, hey, we're
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  going through something and, you know, that's what it is.
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  But I feel that I used to definitely just sit there.
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  It's kind of like, you know, being complacent and like
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  listening and hearing it. I also found that, like with
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  owners, I tended to kind of sit there and be like, yeah, I know,
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  like when they would kind of almost throw each other under
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  the bus, like at a go home or something like that.
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  And so now instead of just like, Yep, I'll try to take a step
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  back and just be like, you know, these are conversations that you
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  guys are going to want to have. Like, I get what you're saying
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  to me is like, you know, this one's fun guy and he's not going
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  to follow the rules. Instead of me just being like,
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  oh, yeah, like, I totally get that.
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  I now try to make it a point to say something like that's going
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  to come up, but like, you guys will have to get have a
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  conversation about this. Like, it's going to cause issues
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  if you guys are like, butting heads about certain things not
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  on the same page. So like what you said about
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  growth and experiences, and that's clearly through any sort
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  of journey, whether it's grief, relationships, working with
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  owners, Yeah, all kind of align in that way.
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  Yeah. Well, and I, I think you get to
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  a point where you look back on moments and you're like, why
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  didn't I like say something? There's just so many moments
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  where that happens where I get to a point where you're like, I
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  just don't want to do that anymore.
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  Like I still think about and not to like make people feel like
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  you can't say anything around people that are grieving.
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  Everyone is different. But I remember being in the
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  hospital and my dad's partner he worked with and his wife was
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  there and my dad was still in a coma and she started telling a
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  story about him where he was again.
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  And I know he was like silly around other people, but like, I
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  don't know. I don't.
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  And I don't know if I would know not to do this around people.
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  I'm probably be way more sensitive when people lose
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  someone. But it made me, I was like, I
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  saw red. I was so upset.
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  But then I also had this voice in my head and I remember it's
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  almost like someone was on my shoulder telling me like, I
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  don't don't upset anyone. Like you're cool.
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  Don't like tell her to stop or whatever.
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  Where I still think about that moment.
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  And that's something I think when you were in such deep grief
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  where nothing else really matters.
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  Like that's one time in my life where I was like, I don't give a
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  shit what anyone thinks about me.
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  I'm going to say what I want. I'm going to do what I want.
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  I don't care what I don't. Care.
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  OK, by the way, that's my been my motto in my head for.
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  Truly, I don't care. I think others too, like the
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  feedback we got on that. Not to like totally derail this
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  conversation we're having, but that feedback was like, people
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  were like, I love this episode, which we're not always going to
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  have a home run for every single one.
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  They all have their good bits, but the ending of last week's
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  was just like Mic drop and. We almost got off the call
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  before that, you know that because I was like, oh wait, I
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  had to ask you about your dogs and cats.
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  Yes. Oh my gosh, yeah.
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  But. Yeah.
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  No, it's just I think, and I think that just comes from
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  experience. Yeah, and I think probably, and
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  this doesn't make your feelings invalid or incorrect, but I bet
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  where those people are coming from is thinking like, if I tell
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  some like something funny, it'll make her laugh or like, make her
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  feel for sure happy. And that's why you were telling
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  that other lady like, I know you meant nothing.
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  Yeah, negative about it. But you're also allowed to say,
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  like, what you're comfortable talking about when you're not
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  comfortable talking about when you're, you know, grieving the
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  person that you know is so important to you.
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  Well, it's also probably good that I didn't say anything in
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  that moment. Now I'm thinking about it like
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  it would have come out way more harsh than.
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  Oh my gosh, you. Yeah, it was, he hadn't passed
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  yet. Like it was, it was so much
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  intensity going on that it's like, yeah, probably good that
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  you were able to just for yourself, not even for her, not
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  even to protect her, just for you, to protect the emotions you
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  were already feeling. And my mom, like now I think way
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  more about that where it's like whatever I'm doing or if I say
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  something, if I'm with my mom who's also struggling, like how
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  about I just make this moment a little easier for her and let
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  her laugh at this. Whatever.
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  OK, so change directions. So I sent that dog home.
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  The golden retriever. Like early.
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  Yeah, OK, I noticed. Yeah, I hadn't seen what what's
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  going on, What happened? Well, I feel like I'm like
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  looking like this. Do I look insane as I'm?
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  No, you don't look insane at all.
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  I just keep looking at myself because I'm in the kennel room
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  now and I feel like I look so blurry, but whatever it is,
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  whatever. I don't care.
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  No, I don't care. OK, so.
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  OK. This story time, tell me what?
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  Well, I'm really batting it up to be like something amazing of
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  a story, but it was just, I don't want to work with dogs
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  that have separation anxiety. And it was not on the list.
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  And it was also the situation. And this is for trainers.
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  Hopefully they can relate where my gut just kept telling me like
• 18:35
  this is way more than one. I think my two week program
• 18:39
  allows for a young dog who's super pushy in the kennel.
• 18:43
  It was not on their list of things to work through when I
• 18:46
  don't love working through it. It was stressing me out and to
• 18:50
  be totally honest, I was being, I was feeling resentful towards
• 18:53
  this dog, which I don't love that feeling that feels like
• 18:56
  you're burnt out and it's. Just an icky feeling.
• 18:59
  Yeah, I hate that feeling because I always, and I know you
• 19:01
  do this where I'm sure we both do.
• 19:03
  When I have a training dog and I think about if this was my dog
• 19:06
  with someone else, how would I want them to be with my dog?
• 19:09
  Patient understanding, you know all the things.
• 19:12
  So this owner also, I told you they have a Malinois, which is
• 19:16
  really cool. And then they, he knows how to
• 19:19
  use the E collar. So I even remember at the drop
• 19:21
  off where he was like, I just need someone to introduce the E
• 19:23
  collar. And so I started thinking like,
• 19:27
  I'm, I know I'm going to be working through pushy barking
• 19:29
  stuff or whatever pushy stuff happens the next week.
• 19:35
  What if I just do like a mini go home session for whatever we've
• 19:38
  done so far? Send the dog home.
• 19:41
  Their setup is where the dog is in a kennel in their living room
• 19:47
  so they're not struggling with separation anxiety.
• 19:49
  It's like why? I mean for money, which is nice
• 19:53
  because I did refund everything up until the last day he was
• 19:56
  here, but it I just don't want to work through separation
• 20:01
  anxiety so it was fine. My gut was.
• 20:04
  Right. Being noisy in the crater, was
• 20:07
  he like trying to break out? Was he like fully stressing out?
• 20:10
  Like what was his? I think he was pretty stressed,
• 20:13
  like one day he had some diarrhea, which I think was from
• 20:16
  stress of being in the kennel. He was, he's just young and he
• 20:20
  barks even with the bark collar on.
• 20:23
  I I didn't like how it felt where it was more of me
• 20:27
  addressing the barking and and anxiety stuff where outside of
• 20:30
  the kennel he was great. He's so fun to work with, so I
• 20:34
  just didn't want another week of that.
• 20:37
  And I also feel like, to be totally honest, it's one of my
• 20:39
  weak points as an as a trainer. I don't well it.
• 20:41
  Doesn't have to be a weak point. It can also just be like, it's a
• 20:43
  very firm boundary because like to me, like I get that type of
• 20:47
  dog all the time and I, I don't consider them like if I can get
• 20:53
  them to be more quiet in the crate, even if it's like like
• 20:55
  the great day and I have right now, you'd probably consider her
• 20:58
  separation anxiety and I, I don't, but that's just like, I,
• 21:03
  I think that that's a great boundary that you have.
• 21:05
  I mean, you wouldn't, I don't know, But to me it's like she
• 21:09
  can be quiet in the crate and she will cycle down and she will
• 21:13
  be quiet. It's when she's done being in
• 21:16
  it. It's we're whining, we're
• 21:18
  barking. So like the last three or four
• 21:20
  nights we've brought the baby monitor up to our room, had her
• 21:23
  E collar like kept our ears open.
• 21:27
  And to me it's like, is that the most ideal thing?
• 21:29
  No, but I'm like it doesn't bother me that much.
• 21:33
  So that's just where it's. Would that just like be a no go?
• 21:37
  It bothers me so much. Yeah.
• 21:39
  And so it's like, you know that about you.
• 21:41
  And I think that's, I don't think that's a weak point.
• 21:43
  I think that's a strength. And is it maybe potentially
• 21:47
  something that's going to be like, I don't know, more dogs
• 21:51
  run into it, I don't know. And then it's like, well, this
• 21:53
  dog might not be a fit. Yeah, that's OK.
• 21:55
  Well. And I've worked through it
• 21:56
  before with other dogs. And so I don't know what it was
• 21:59
  about this dog where I think the biggest thing for me was it was
• 22:04
  taking up a lot of time, which again, like, we put in so much
• 22:07
  work to train dogs. There's always going to be stuff
• 22:08
  that, you know, hurdles we have to jump over.
• 22:12
  And it feels like work for sure. But it wasn't on the list of
• 22:15
  things they were struggling with.
• 22:17
  So then I always had that in the back of my head, like, oh man,
• 22:21
  like this is the biggest thing we're working through.
• 22:22
  He's it doesn't have reactivity. He's great on place, great on
• 22:25
  the walk now. Like his recall is pretty good
• 22:27
  for five days. And like I just, I, I was
• 22:31
  getting in that loop of I don't want to work through this.
• 22:34
  So, so yeah. And I think it was a good move
• 22:37
  because it all comes back to the owner for me and they're not
• 22:41
  super commutative, which again is fine.
• 22:44
  Not everyone. We've talked about this before.
• 22:46
  Some people are more introverted.
• 22:47
  People just communicate differently.
• 22:50
  But I reached out the day after just saying, hey, if you need
• 22:55
  any help, I'm here to help. Can you?
• 22:58
  Just because I think this is also great, like teaching and
• 23:00
  learning experience for other people.
• 23:02
  Can you talk through how you communicated this with the
• 23:04
  owner? Like, did you reach out?
• 23:06
  Did you give him kind of like a heads up that you're
• 23:08
  experiencing this in the crate and then, you know, decided to
• 23:11
  do the go home? Just can you bring us through?
• 23:13
  Yeah, how you communicated that you're going to send the dog
• 23:16
  home? I asked well because a couple of
• 23:19
  times I was open on social media saying that one night he was
• 23:23
  barking overnight. Totally normal.
• 23:25
  This happens because I also, I don't ever want to phrase it.
• 23:28
  You say this a lot too. I don't ever want to make an
• 23:30
  owner feel bad. I'm never going to share
• 23:32
  something on social media that's like blows an odor away or
• 23:35
  surprises them. But her response, the few times
• 23:39
  even with me saying that, she was like, Oh my gosh, I'm so
• 23:42
  sorry. And I'm like, no, it's not a
• 23:43
  big. Don't worry.
• 23:45
  Yeah. So it was on Day 5 where I was
• 23:48
  thinking about it on Day 4 where I was just having to watch the
• 23:51
  baby camera constantly. That's what it felt like no
• 23:54
  matter what I was doing. Fart caller, E caller.
• 23:58
  And so Friday morning, so this was day five with him.
• 24:03
  I texted Sarah and I said hey, can I get on a call with you to
• 24:06
  talk through some things? Which now I know I need to
• 24:09
  preface with everything's fine. Yes.
• 24:11
  We get on a phone call, talk things through, so she calls me
• 24:14
  right away and I just tell her I'm just very, very honest, not
• 24:18
  trying to sugarcoat things. My biggest thing was I don't
• 24:21
  know if this is in the best interest for him.
• 24:23
  If it's not something that you want me to work through.
• 24:25
  If they signed up, signed up with he's being pushy in the
• 24:28
  kennel, some slight separation anxiety, I would go into it with
• 24:32
  my the intention of that's something I'm going to work
• 24:36
  through. Or you'd say not the right fit.
• 24:38
  Exactly, yes, which I would have done so just being very honest
• 24:43
  with. And then the husband who has
• 24:46
  some time and he can just continue everything with their
• 24:49
  dog. And I feel like that's the best
• 24:51
  setup. And again, she kept apologizing
• 24:54
  and I was like, no, no, no. I mean, please understand that
• 24:57
  I'm not like I got to get rid of this dog right now.
• 24:59
  You can pick him up tomorrow if you want.
• 25:02
  It's not a big deal, but I think this is what is best for your
• 25:06
  dog. And I think when you phrase it
• 25:08
  like that, no owner is going to be like, whoa, I don't know.
• 25:12
  I think they appreciate that. And were they cool when they
• 25:15
  came to pick up and like? He was just a husband.
• 25:17
  He also was the only one that came for the drop off.
• 25:20
  He's a little bit more reserved. So.
• 25:23
  But again, I'm, I'm very open with asking questions or how are
• 25:29
  you feeling about this, that kind of thing.
• 25:31
  And he seemed totally fine and excited to get him back and work
• 25:35
  with them so. Good.
• 25:37
  Yeah. So that's how it went.
• 25:38
  So it ended. Up being a totally fine
• 25:40
  situation for everyone involved. Totally fine.
• 25:42
  And I felt like a weight was lifted just because it was a
• 25:46
  challenging case for me. Yeah, yeah.
• 25:47
  Totally. Well, and that's just like one
• 25:49
  of those things too, where if you like, even with like the
• 25:52
  bark collar, if you felt like you have to constantly sit there
• 25:55
  and watch. It's like if again, like you
• 25:58
  said, if you knew this is what you were signing up for, that's
• 26:00
  one thing. But then it's like you're
• 26:02
  probably thinking, OK, this is a young dog.
• 26:04
  We're going to be going. And you'd probably like, OK, I
• 26:06
  don't want to be taking him out all the time to go doing all
• 26:08
  these fun adventures when knowing putting him back in the
• 26:11
  crates just going to be like the spiral of it again.
• 26:14
  And you're like, start from fresh.
• 26:15
  And it's yeah, that type of stuff is just, it's not fun.
• 26:21
  It's like, not not the fun part of training at all.
• 26:24
  When I started doing this thing where it was like I would walk
• 26:29
  him before putting him in the kennel, which I think there is
• 26:31
  something too, you know, exercising a dog, not tiring
• 26:34
  them out necessarily, but I was doing that so he'd be good
• 26:37
  sometimes, but then pushy and then it was just a loop of
• 26:42
  correcting for things. That's how it felt.
• 26:44
  And I just. Didn't feel like it was really
• 26:45
  getting better. No.
• 26:46
  OK. So that's where I can say like
• 26:48
  the Great Dane is totally getting better, OK?
• 26:51
  Like obviously Dane wanted. For me before and that's where,
• 26:53
  yeah, that's what I was even telling the owner what I usually
• 26:56
  do, it usually gets better by day three or two.
• 26:59
  Well, and also the fact that you said.
• 27:01
  That the crate is in their living room, that dogs
• 27:03
  constantly watching human TV, meaning like they are constantly
• 27:08
  entertained even if they're in the crate.
• 27:10
  So that's the thing that's really tough and like,
• 27:13
  beforehand, you know, and I know it's not always going to work
• 27:16
  for people or they just might not do it.
• 27:18
  But the amount of time that I really feel like, not unfairly,
• 27:23
  but that like, yeah, puppies and young dogs need to spend in the
• 27:26
  crate without watching things and having constant toys.
• 27:31
  Oh. Or just.
• 27:33
  Like visuals is like put them in a room where they can get like
• 27:39
  actually quiet, no motion going on around them.
• 27:45
  Rest otherwise, these dogs, and I see it a lot.
• 27:48
  I, I don't know if you have experienced this, but our
• 27:52
  goldens in general, not even just the ones I have right now,
• 27:56
  much higher anxiety than what I've ever seen with goldens.
• 28:01
  Oh, OK, yeah. That's interesting for me, yes,
• 28:04
  based on this one and maybe your last.
• 28:05
  One and the last one I had, yeah.
• 28:07
  And the next two I have. Coming up, they all sound like
• 28:10
  high anxiety cases too. And when I say high anxiety,
• 28:12
  nothing like like to me, a dog that's constantly that's that's
• 28:18
  high anxiety, like even if they're like doing well and like
• 28:21
  doing all of the things. I think so many people are used
• 28:24
  to seeing dogs in that state. And to me, those are the ones
• 28:29
  where little Riggs, he's the one that is like around the same age
• 28:31
  as what Thor was. He's making such amazing
• 28:34
  progress, but in moments that he is stressed or anxious it's and
• 28:40
  he was when I actually talked with their owner for about an
• 28:44
  hour the other day just because she lives in Nashville.
• 28:47
  So I couldn't do a mid session with this here.
• 28:49
  She just got on a call and she's so awesome.
• 28:51
  Like literally dream dream owner.
• 28:53
  Both of the owners we have right now are really dream owners.
• 28:56
  So I think that also makes like working through some of Georgia,
• 28:58
  the Great Danes stuff like 100% like no big.
• 29:01
  Deal. Because literally.
• 29:02
  The owner is like, Oh my gosh, like yes, just bring a brat,
• 29:06
  which you don't need to apologize.
• 29:07
  But sometimes when I share some of those things of like showing
• 29:10
  a dog stress and struggling, I kind of worry that like I don't
• 29:13
  want the owner to be like, Oh my gosh, why is my dog so stressed
• 29:16
  there? Both of them have been like, you
• 29:19
  know, thank you so much for working through this.
• 29:21
  Like you've been, this has been so helpful.
• 29:23
  So little Riggs. He's he's just a goofy dude, but
• 29:27
  genetically, like you can feel in his bones genetically he's
• 29:31
  run and wound tight and like anxious and more whiny.
• 29:36
  And just like, luckily, one thing is he's so quiet in the
• 29:40
  crate, once in a while he'll like if his brother, his older
• 29:44
  brother's getting let out. But like, that's it.
• 29:47
  I'm like, OK, see that is the thing.
• 29:49
  To me, where I've had some dogs, one dog Jax, who is like a
• 29:52
  border collie mix or something Australian, I don't know.
• 29:55
  But whining outside of the kennel, which can like really
• 29:59
  rack my nerves. But amazing in the kennel.
• 30:02
  Like when you have a dog who's good in the kennel and you work
• 30:04
  in your space A lot. But for me it feels like I can
• 30:06
  turn off my trainer brain well, even right now.
• 30:09
  Before we start our podcast, I let all the dogs out and I was a
• 30:14
  little worried that Georgia was going to be whining and I know
• 30:16
  that me sitting up here like talking about you.
• 30:18
  Those are moments where we can talk about how patient we are
• 30:21
  with the dogs, which we are, but that would have made my blood
• 30:24
  pressure like rise if I heard her whining because it's like
• 30:27
  we're over a weekend that now to her is it's just FOMO for her at
• 30:31
  this point. She had already.
• 30:33
  I just did like a lengthy social with the dogs like she's been
• 30:37
  potty been fed like Mandy's here now, but I was like that.
• 30:42
  I know and luckily she was quiet, but I prepared myself to
• 30:46
  know like that's gonna annoy me. I think that's the thing that's
• 30:50
  fair too. It's like we can talk about how
• 30:51
  patient we are all day and we are, but it's like certain
• 30:54
  behaviors still are can be obnoxious.
• 30:56
  Yes Oh, that's the reality of. It, yeah, and I think.
• 30:59
  Sometimes, and I could be totally wrong and I do know all
• 31:02
  dogs are gonna give different experiences with US versus at
• 31:04
  home and blah blah blah, but like I think people are used to
• 31:08
  like dogs whining. I think 1. 1000% you're correct.
• 31:13
  Tap into. The comments like I, I think
• 31:17
  it's genuinely just like, oh, it's just a dog whining to me.
• 31:21
  I'm like, nervous system is off, like a little bit of whining.
• 31:24
  Here and there like. For instance, Bertie if will
• 31:28
  like close the door and like Casey's in the bathroom or
• 31:30
  something, she'll go do like like by the door like once I'm
• 31:33
  like go on and she's done, but like.
• 31:38
  Like constantly. I I don't know, I wouldn't want
• 31:41
  to live in my home. I'd be like, send me to camp,
• 31:44
  like what's going on? That's one thing that.
• 31:48
  Kind of set me over the edge where I was like, I just, I
• 31:51
  don't think I'm in the right state of mind to work with this
• 31:53
  dog. We work out in our gym, which is
• 31:55
  right next to our kennel room. And no matter what I was doing
• 31:59
  with the E collar, with the bark collar, he kept like barking and
• 32:04
  being super whiny and I was getting so frustrated.
• 32:07
  I had to put my noise cancelling headphones on and afterwards I
• 32:11
  was like, Oh my gosh, I was like, Bobby, this is as if like
• 32:14
  you have someone that you work with a client in the gym with us
• 32:19
  just sitting there talking to you and you can't like, 'cause I
• 32:22
  was trying to ignore it. But so I was like, well, maybe
• 32:25
  we'll just go to the Y and work out.
• 32:27
  And so it was kind of like that. It was, this is like my, I love
• 32:31
  being here and working out in our gym.
• 32:32
  So but a note about this is nothing against his owners.
• 32:37
  And again, so I think whenever we share things, well, it's like
• 32:41
  what you said before, people are adults, they can take it however
• 32:43
  they want. And I don't care.
• 32:45
  No, I do, but I don't, I don't care.
• 32:48
  But I think if his owners were more commutative and they were
• 32:54
  super nice, super on board and like one thing his owner said
• 32:58
  when he dropped him off was we're probably the most laid
• 33:01
  back owners you'll ever meet. And I was, that should have been
• 33:03
  something where I was like, huh, At first it was like, oh, cool,
• 33:05
  great. Yeah.
• 33:07
  But. Then it turned into like.
• 33:08
  Just not really talking or like and that's not your.
• 33:11
  Dream owner? No, exactly like.
• 33:13
  Your dream owner to. Be interactive not is my dog OK,
• 33:18
  but but you love when they and same with me like hurt the
• 33:21
  stories or give feedback of love seeing this or you know.
• 33:26
  Thank you for sharing. I didn't know that like we love
• 33:28
  that love. So I think if.
• 33:30
  They were a little bit more leaning towards that, just like
• 33:32
  you said, how your two owners are so amazing.
• 33:34
  Amazing. Yeah, it makes a big difference.
• 33:36
  So a huge difference. So any owners listening?
• 33:40
  So let's let's give you some some ground rules here.
• 33:43
  Don't be annoying. Like don't be like, how did
• 33:45
  Fluffy sleep last night? Don't worry, we'll have a few
• 33:50
  rules for you. So you can't be annoying, but
• 33:52
  you can't be too quiet. You can't be too this, you can't
• 33:55
  be too that. We're not actually that busy.
• 33:56
  Yeah, it's just follow the rules.
• 33:58
  Just follow the rules, it's not that.
• 33:59
  Hard well, and I think that's the one thing about.
• 34:01
  How we said, like people that don't like working with people,
• 34:04
  I mean trainers. Yeah.
• 34:05
  You learn so much. It's been like a master class in
• 34:09
  human communication, working with dog owners.
• 34:12
  Yep. And I have these two.
• 34:14
  Dogs and it's actually hilarious and I know that one of the
• 34:16
  owners definitely listens to the podcast so I don't think she'll
• 34:19
  care that I use this as an example.
• 34:21
  He's in for boarding right now actually just dropped him off at
• 34:23
  the groomer this morning. Harrison the little crazy eyed
• 34:26
  buddy. Yes, he's.
• 34:28
  One of my. Favorite.
• 34:29
  Literally Casey's obsessed. We are we love that dog to
• 34:34
  death, but he's one of the most annoying dogs in the entire
• 34:37
  world from the standpoint of he gives his mother a hell of a
• 34:44
  time and are there things of course, like their their
• 34:48
  relationship is so different than ours is with him.
• 34:50
  Like he's the center of their world from a same point of
• 34:54
  because he makes himself the center of the world.
• 34:56
  Like Harrison's presence is like you can't ignore it.
• 35:00
  If you ignore it, he demands you pay attention.
• 35:03
  So then you try and whining, yes.
• 35:05
  And like barks. Back and like mom's trying to
• 35:08
  correct for it and he's just like F you mom like it's so it's
• 35:12
  kind of I even told her I'm like you're in a toxic relationship
• 35:16
  like and I know you're trying so hard with things but then
• 35:18
  there's also like still her dog. It's still like picking him up
• 35:22
  like he's a baby, like loving on him because he's also, he earns
• 35:27
  that as well. It's so tough.
• 35:28
  And then I have another dog who's also a small dog and both
• 35:31
  of the owners are like prime examples of they work so hard
• 35:37
  with their dogs. They try so hard.
• 35:39
  Their dogs just really have a tougher time with them of they
• 35:43
  don't. The dogs are like these little
• 35:47
  dogs that just have this huge personality.
• 35:49
  They they're not buying into what their owners have to say.
• 35:52
  They like take me so seriously, even though I'm just like Harry,
• 35:56
  knock it off and he just like stops where if mom were to be
• 36:01
  like Harrison. No, it's it's just like
• 36:06
  disrespect. So it's tough because it's like
• 36:10
  I can't change that relationship between these two owners.
• 36:12
  This other one that I'm thinking about is little guy.
• 36:15
  His name is Lucky and he's at one of the puggles that I
• 36:17
  recently trained the all Black 1.
• 36:19
  I don't know if you remember him.
• 36:20
  Absolutely precious. Also owners that work their
• 36:23
  arses off with their dog. They're actually coming both the
• 36:26
  owners. They're have really natural like
• 36:29
  awesome handling skills. They're both coming to shadow me
• 36:31
  in April and I'm like, I'm thinking.
• 36:33
  In my head I'm like, are you coming to?
• 36:34
  Shadow just cause your dog is this like hard for you?
• 36:38
  Or like. Maybe they'll dabble in helping
• 36:40
  some people where they're from, but those ones are tough because
• 36:45
  it's like even if you follow everything your trainer is
• 36:49
  telling you to do, like the relationship's still going to
• 36:53
  feel different with the owner versus how it's going to feel
• 36:55
  with us. And I hate almost telling
• 36:59
  Harrison's owner that, like, she'll be like, is he like, I'm
• 37:02
  so sorry? Is he behaving?
• 37:03
  And I'm like, I almost hate to tell you this.
• 37:06
  He's being perfect. Like we're not having one issue
• 37:10
  like and she's like I she's like, I don't know what to do
• 37:13
  with them. I'm like, just leave him here.
• 37:14
  We we like kid about how we're like, well, we're just going to
• 37:16
  adopt him because he generally loves being a kennel room dog
• 37:20
  because he's just backward boarding.
• 37:21
  He's just like, he loves living like that kind of lifestyle.
• 37:28
  And realistically, he he lives literally this kid has like the
• 37:32
  best life. They had a home in Wisconsin and
• 37:35
  Montana. They're moving full time to
• 37:37
  Montana. He gets to basically just be off
• 37:39
  leash his whole life, go to the horse barn, go on flights, all
• 37:43
  these things. And it's great as that sounds as
• 37:45
  sometimes it's like that's almost too much for a dog like
• 37:48
  him, even though he is friendly, he's social, he's all of these
• 37:52
  things. It's like it almost makes him
• 37:54
  spiral. So you must wish you could sit
• 37:57
  down with certain dogs and just be like, look at the life you
• 37:59
  get. You shape up.
• 38:02
  But yeah, I don't even know where I was going with that.
• 38:04
  Basically talking about like, you can follow everything and
• 38:08
  still have a completely different relationship with your
• 38:11
  dog than what your trainer has. Sometimes I feel like I don't
• 38:14
  even know how to help at times 'cause I'm like, I, I can't set
• 38:18
  that behavior up. It's like, Kate, I swear I'm not
• 38:21
  lying to him. I'm like, I know you're not.
• 38:22
  You've sent me videos and he's an absolute assassin.
• 38:26
  Well, it's like the owner I was talking about who her dog bit
• 38:31
  someone and she's actually going to drive up here next Friday for
• 38:37
  like in person help, which I'm excited about.
• 38:40
  And it's it's that's a perfect example of one of those things
• 38:43
  where I know if he lived with me, he'd be great.
• 38:46
  Like he would just, but he's also super great with them, but
• 38:50
  I just think the the leniency when it's your only dog, it's
• 38:53
  like it just can't help but seep into your relationship where for
• 38:57
  us, we're probably a little bit more structured with training
• 39:00
  dogs. Yes, and also like.
• 39:02
  I think the thing that a lot of people do is even if they're
• 39:07
  giving their dog a little bit of time in the crate during the
• 39:10
  day, they're not getting enough. No, no one's.
• 39:12
  No. One is unless they're like,
• 39:14
  especially people that like work from home or you know, are
• 39:17
  retired or whatever, they understandably they're like,
• 39:21
  we're home, let's have our dog out.
• 39:23
  But like some dogs just cannot handle it and you're going to
• 39:27
  see it seep into the relationship.
• 39:29
  So like, I'm just using Harrison as an example because he's here
• 39:32
  right now. He gets a long walk every day.
• 39:36
  He gets play time every day. He's getting treadmill time
• 39:38
  every day. He's also getting multiple hours
• 39:41
  in his crate every single day and overnight that it's just
• 39:45
  like it's, you know, so structured that it's like he
• 39:48
  doesn't really even have room to be annoying or like naughty.
• 39:53
  So he's like, OK, cool, I'm I've got it.
• 39:56
  I'm figuring out the routine. I come in, I don't pay attention
• 39:59
  to him at all. I'm not even saying hi to him,
• 40:01
  let him out of the crate. I don't even say hi to him until
• 40:03
  we're like out of the kennel room in the yard because he
• 40:06
  can't handle it. I know that about him.
• 40:08
  Certain dogs can handle it. So it's just dogs.
• 40:12
  The kennel stuff. Is something that people just
• 40:14
  don't really think about and I was thinking about like the
• 40:17
  younger Golden and how I know having like a puppy or young dog
• 40:23
  has felt not easy for me in the past, but kind of because of
• 40:28
  great time I just think. So many people do.
• 40:31
  Not lean into that and it is a lifesaver for your sanity.
• 40:34
  And it also creates a dog who could be on their own.
• 40:37
  And it's just the anxious dogs that are like don't have an off
• 40:41
  switch in the kennel. To me is it's like I can't be in
• 40:46
  a room with a dog, especially a training dog or a kennel dog or
• 40:49
  boarding dog and not address it Like it's just, I think a lot of
• 40:52
  people just let it go. Like with Thor Golden, who I
• 40:54
  sent home, I think they probably heard him barking or whining and
• 40:58
  it's just that's what it is to have a dog, which is so.
• 41:01
  Different. How we would do it, It's yeah,
• 41:03
  it's. It's truly wild and I don't know
• 41:07
  why I feel like it's I feel like it's gotten worse.
• 41:12
  Like I see more of it these days, which isn't shocking
• 41:15
  because again, more people are working from home and more
• 41:17
  people are, you know, not that this completely, you know,
• 41:21
  changes it because neither of us have kids, but you know, a lot
• 41:24
  of people also are not having kids.
• 41:26
  So the dog becomes like full time, you know, everything is
• 41:31
  about the dog and it's like we just need to make not everything
• 41:34
  about the dog and then you can do more with your dog.
• 41:37
  Yeah, seriously, can I, can I tell you something I've been
• 41:39
  thinking about? Yeah.
• 41:41
  OK, Yeah, fine. Look here.
• 41:43
  Feel. Like I'm trying to get.
• 41:44
  OK, I did my hair, first of all, 'cause last time, and it's
• 41:46
  still, oh, sorry, it still looks a little weird.
• 41:48
  No, it looks great. Four days.
• 41:50
  In I have a hat on because you don't want to see what's under.
• 41:53
  It's it's hair wash day. Oh, OK.
• 41:55
  Well, it looks amazing. I'll show you if anyone.
• 42:01
  Wants to see my conehead. Go to minute 41.
• 42:08
  Wow, thanks. For that, that's so nice of you
• 42:10
  to share with us. Yeah, you're welcome.
• 42:13
  OK, so. I was thinking about because I
• 42:16
  watched Top Chef, which anyone else who watches it, I mean, I
• 42:20
  watch it over and over. It's like one of my comfort
• 42:23
  shows. And it's where these chefs, they
• 42:25
  come together for a competition and they compete to be Top Chef.
• 42:29
  No way. Top Chef is where they.
• 42:34
  Compete to be Top Chef. Mind blown.
• 42:40
  Continue. I'm intrigued, you know.
• 42:45
  How when I'm talking, sometimes I just don't even think about
• 42:47
  what I'm saying. I just, I love that about you.
• 42:49
  I get that. A+B.
• 42:51
  Equals yeah, OK, so but one thing I always notice that they
• 42:55
  do and I'm constantly jealous of is they'll have like really well
• 42:59
  known chefs come onto the show as judges or whatever.
• 43:03
  And the the chefs who are competing, they're like, Oh my
• 43:05
  gosh, she's so amazing or she's so amazing.
• 43:08
  Or they speak of these chefs as if like they are people they
• 43:13
  want to aspire to be like. And it just made me think about
• 43:16
  how I wish I had like a trainer, someone in the dog training
• 43:22
  industry or world that I aspired to be like.
• 43:26
  And when I was thinking about this, because I respect you and
• 43:28
  what you do so much, I think you were the only person where I'm
• 43:30
  like, Oh my gosh, that's so cool.
• 43:32
  Or I still would like to come to your shadow program And you
• 43:34
  think that I should just come and take video and hang out,
• 43:38
  which I do just want to hang out.
• 43:39
  But you're so good at that. It's like so cool to watch
• 43:41
  someone who is just really good at what they do.
• 43:44
  But I came across a podcast with some other trainers and it's,
• 43:49
  and again, nothing against men. We love men.
• 43:51
  We're married to them, love them.
• 43:53
  It's older male dog trainers. And I was like, I just don't.
• 43:57
  There was a time when I, there were a few older trainers who I
• 44:01
  looked up to, but I really wish there was like a strong woman
• 44:05
  dog trainer that I knew of. Maybe they're out there and I
• 44:08
  just don't know that I actually wanted to aspire to be like, or
• 44:12
  I see what they do and I'm like, oh, wow.
• 44:14
  I, I love how they do that because it's almost always just
• 44:17
  either the dog training or it's dog training that I don't do
• 44:21
  whatever it specializes in or they don't.
• 44:25
  I'm very drawn to the creative side of things.
• 44:28
  And I don't see that so much with other trainers.
• 44:30
  Like I know you do so much of that, which is so cool and some
• 44:32
  other trainers, but you know what I mean?
• 44:34
  Like just having I I do. But I don't feel that way.
• 44:38
  I know exactly, no, I know exactly what you mean not like
• 44:44
  and I used to, I definitely used to, but I see more of like now
• 44:48
  like lifestyle people. And when I say lifestyle people,
• 44:50
  it's just, you know, content creators or something, which
• 44:53
  again, everything is just a highlight reel.
• 44:55
  But I aspire more to seeing like the the balance of a working
• 45:02
  woman, also the balancing of life and boundaries with social
• 45:08
  media and health within themselves, whether that's
• 45:14
  physically, mentally, that I aspire more towards that kind of
• 45:19
  stuff. Now where like.
• 45:21
  I see stuff like that. Where it's like, OK, I, you
• 45:24
  know, I love seeing other women be entrepreneurs and I try to
• 45:30
  like, I think not necessarily aspire to be, but that's more of
• 45:35
  the influence that I see of like, I love how they're sharing
• 45:38
  that or I love how they incorporate that into their
• 45:42
  life. Or which is so funny that you
• 45:44
  say that because I feel like even though we're best friends
• 45:47
  and like we're at the same age, I feel like we have that in each
• 45:50
  other. I I know and I do too.
• 45:52
  Yeah, I totally feel that way. Like I like.
• 45:55
  Even you like I've obviously sent a dog home, but like.
• 45:59
  I I know I. Would not be able to like
• 46:03
  financially be like I have, you know, one dog in right now, I'm
• 46:08
  going to send them home and not have like another dog coming in.
• 46:11
  And not saying that that's like it's just we're in different
• 46:16
  situations from a standpoint of it's Casey and I's sole main
• 46:19
  income, not sole but main income.
• 46:22
  So I like look at it that way. But you know, even just like.
• 46:28
  I love that you'll share. And I don't share these things
• 46:31
  because it doesn't mean I don't do them.
• 46:32
  But like, you'll share like you went out and got breakfast with
• 46:35
  your mom. Yeah, I wouldn't.
• 46:37
  I don't necessarily share those things on a work day because I
• 46:43
  have 5 dogs in the kennel room and I don't want.
• 46:46
  And I've gotten so much better about this.
• 46:47
  But I'll think, like all the owner's gonna think I'm not
• 46:50
  spending enough time with their dog.
• 46:52
  Oh. Yeah, I think he would think
• 46:54
  like that. I, I I.
• 46:56
  Don't as much anymore, but it's still lingers in there.
• 46:59
  It definitely still does because also it also depends what dogs I
• 47:03
  have in every single owner of dogs that are in my care right
• 47:06
  now are amazing owners, but they're also very involved
• 47:10
  owners, which is amazing, but also very obsessed with their
• 47:13
  dogs owners. So it's like I know they want to
• 47:16
  see their dog. And so not that I think that
• 47:18
  they would ever be like, Kate's not doing enough for the dogs
• 47:21
  because I know we're doing. Yeah, but I.
• 47:25
  Think interesting is you don't have to share that like do you
• 47:29
  do you wish you could share that or I actually?
• 47:32
  I say I. Kind of love that you keep those
• 47:35
  things to yourself. There are certain things
• 47:39
  personally. I do not share, Yeah.
• 47:41
  And I very much keep to myself, not only just because like I
• 47:46
  feel like people, there's certain things that I'm like,
• 47:48
  it's not that I wouldn't share because I don't think people
• 47:49
  should know or anything like that, but there's just some
• 47:52
  things that I want to keep for me.
• 47:54
  Yeah. And like, yeah.
• 47:55
  So there's stuff like that. Like, for instance, like time
• 47:58
  with my niece all once in a while share a few things, but
• 48:01
  like, respectfully, I don't like to like it's she's not my child
• 48:04
  to like share her face on a public platform and stuff like
• 48:07
  that. And like also those moments are
• 48:09
  I don't, I barely have my phone out when she's around.
• 48:12
  Like literally to capture her doing something cute.
• 48:16
  And then like, you know, personal stuff with like, like
• 48:19
  our life and even stuff with like roadie, like I've shared a
• 48:22
  lot about it, but I don't share the day in and day out like what
• 48:25
  life genuinely looks like with a dog with such high care and you
• 48:29
  know, stuff like that. And there's just certain things
• 48:30
  that it's like could I share it? Could something potential
• 48:34
  potentially help someone else, But I'm also not looking for
• 48:37
  everything I put out to be something that's going to
• 48:40
  benefit another person. Yes, if that makes.
• 48:43
  Sense, yes. And I'd love that you do.
• 48:45
  That and you're, you've, you've also you kind of helped me think
• 48:48
  about this differently because when I was originally thinking
• 48:50
  of it, I was like, oh man, it'd be so cool to have.
• 48:53
  I'm just going to say an older female trainer in our industry
• 48:57
  that I looked up to and aspired to be like.
• 48:59
  And but I think there's also a lot of power and not having that
• 49:02
  and looking outside of the dog training industry.
• 49:04
  It's just like when I really when I so Bobby just showed me a
• 49:09
  video which we should share the next trainer in you where it's
• 49:12
  Oh, you, you had your first training dog eight years ago
• 49:14
  today, and he showed me a video that he took.
• 49:17
  So at the time I really wanted to shadow a local trainer who to
• 49:24
  me was well known and she didn't offer it to local people.
• 49:28
  And I, I always felt like so like like if I just could do
• 49:32
  that, that'd be so cool. Maybe she could be my mentor.
• 49:35
  And I actually a year later or something asked her to
• 49:37
  breakfast, got breakfast with her.
• 49:40
  And it was a little bit different than I expected, like
• 49:42
  just personality wise. So anyway, but I think it's
• 49:46
  helped us. I'm speaking for you.
• 49:49
  It's it helped me figure things out on my own and go through the
• 49:52
  crappy stuff and pick myself back up.
• 49:55
  And so I think you're right because I do have quote UN quote
• 49:58
  mentors that are outside of the dog training world that I'll
• 50:00
  never meet probably. But writers, Sarah Blakely, who
• 50:05
  created Spanx, she has a class on master class, the master
• 50:08
  class app, if anyone has it, which is amazing.
• 50:11
  So yeah, I, I think so. That's interesting that you
• 50:13
  even. Say that because I would not
• 50:15
  think that you would have said that.
• 50:18
  What like. You would want.
• 50:20
  A like older female trainer to like look up to inspire to be.
• 50:25
  Well, I just not inspired to be. But like to find.
• 50:28
  Influence and like that's surprising to me to hear really
• 50:32
  yeah like I I always feel like you pull so much of your stuff
• 50:35
  from outside of the dog training world.
• 50:37
  I do and myself included, but I used to definitely follow like
• 50:42
  every single trainer and, you know, do shadow programs and
• 50:46
  those things are all so still so great.
• 50:47
  I'm just in a different season of my own growth and stuff like
• 50:51
  that. But I, yeah, it's just
• 50:54
  interesting 'cause I didn't think that you would feel that
• 50:56
  way, 'cause I know you've always like, we haven't always loved
• 50:58
  the dog training side of things, but you like it a lot.
• 51:02
  It's just not the storytelling that you love.
• 51:04
  So I couldn't, I couldn't see you and correct me if I'm wrong,
• 51:09
  being like, I'm gonna go to a week long dog training shadow
• 51:14
  with another trainer. No, it would be yours.
• 51:17
  Yeah, but I like I literally. Could not see you doing that.
• 51:20
  I think it was just the feeling that I.
• 51:22
  Got when it's like envy of like a romanticized version of what I
• 51:25
  would think, like watching this chef show and just seeing how
• 51:30
  they love these other chefs and they're like superstars to them.
• 51:33
  Yeah. And so to me, it's like there's
• 51:36
  like a, there's a negative and a positive to it because I don't,
• 51:39
  I'm not gonna say who it is, but I know there were a couple of
• 51:43
  older trainers. I say older 'cause they were
• 51:45
  older than nuts then yeah, yeah. Who I wanted to kind of, they
• 51:52
  were who I was aspiring to be like.
• 51:54
  And then you learn more about people and you just realize
• 51:56
  you're in a different season or want to do things differently.
• 51:59
  And so, but when I see these chefs who look at these people
• 52:02
  like, Oh my gosh. Like I, I, part of me
• 52:05
  romanticizes that like, oh, it'd be so cool.
• 52:07
  But I think there is also something to that where it's
• 52:10
  like, because I've done it before, I've I've seen other
• 52:15
  trainers and I wanted to be like them, but then I find out, Oh
• 52:17
  no, I don't want to be like them.
• 52:18
  I kind of want to be like myself and find out what that looks
• 52:22
  like. Like I was just very inspired by
• 52:25
  a cookbook yesterday. Really it has no.
• 52:28
  Ties to dog. Training, but design wise, I
• 52:31
  thought it was really cool. So yeah, you're right.
• 52:33
  Well, and I also, we also are. That for a lot of people right
• 52:37
  now, but you are too. Well, thank you and I I would.
• 52:40
  Agree with that. Like I talked to a lot of
• 52:42
  trainers and especially I'm still so young, but like it's so
• 52:45
  interesting like now you're seeing the other younger crew
• 52:48
  that was like us almost 10 years ago that were like literally in
• 52:53
  the phase that we are. And I do feel like, you know, I
• 52:56
  talked to a lot of them on virtual calls or my shadow
• 52:58
  programs or the trainer and you, and that's a really cool and
• 53:02
  weird position to be in because they're still like, we're
• 53:04
  growing and learning every day as well.
• 53:08
  But yeah, I think that's cool. Like I, I think it is like I, I
• 53:12
  agree that I'm consistently also looking for like things that I
• 53:16
  want to let into my orbit more and, and, but also that comes
• 53:21
  with a lot of things I don't want to let in.
• 53:23
  Yes, and the clarity. With that for sure, yeah, yeah,
• 53:26
  yeah. Oh, that's so.
• 53:27
  Interesting. Yeah.
• 53:28
  Well, and it's something like, you know, I don't know who said
• 53:30
  this quote. It's a very popular 1, so
• 53:32
  forgive me, but be the change you wish to see.
• 53:35
  And I remember thinking that when she wouldn't let me shadow
• 53:37
  this other trainer, which turned out to be great, that was good
• 53:40
  for me, I think in the long run. But it's kind of like, create
• 53:44
  the resources you wish you had as an owner.
• 53:46
  That's something I believe in so strongly.
• 53:48
  Like anything that I create creatively, create creatively, I
• 53:53
  don't care, OK? I don't care either, so.
• 53:55
  It comes from a place of this is what I would want, yes.
• 54:00
  And so I think there's also something about that which is so
• 54:03
  cool that like that we can inspire other trainers who need
• 54:08
  someone to look up to. Like, yeah, that is, I think
• 54:11
  that is cool, that is. The Bethania in you.
• 54:17
  Bethania. Oh, Bethana, no.
• 54:19
  One knows this. Yeah, I like that better
• 54:21
  actually. What is it actually?
• 54:23
  Bethana, Bethana. I've always thought it.
• 54:25
  Was Bethania love that. OK, so her alter ego.
• 54:29
  Is Bethan Bethana apparently, but I thought it was Bethania.
• 54:34
  Well, I like Bethania better. Yeah, it's just like when you're
• 54:36
  like probably drinking and like acting a little different.
• 54:41
  Yeah, mine is. Marie, because that's my middle
• 54:43
  name. Oh, OK, that makes sense.
• 54:46
  Yeah, Marie, you should be like. Catania.
• 54:48
  I mean, I'll. I'll.
• 54:50
  Take on Katanya Brenda was nice to me this morning.
• 54:53
  I had a 91 sleep score 91.9. Which is wild, honestly.
• 54:58
  Because I felt like I flipped and flopped last night.
• 55:02
  I think sometimes it just. Gets it wrong.
• 55:04
  They're wrong sometimes. Lean into that.
• 55:07
  That's nice. Yeah, I'm going to lean into was
• 55:08
  a 90. One, maybe it just decided to
• 55:10
  give me something with this, like I woke up in a funk.
• 55:13
  So it's like, well, don't worry, you got a 91 sleep score.
• 55:17
  Brenda. Yeah.
• 55:18
  Did I tell you? Did I already?
• 55:19
  Say this in the beginning that Casey left for Phoenix this
• 55:21
  morning. No.
• 55:22
  Yeah. So wondering why he didn't pop
• 55:24
  in in the. Beginning.
• 55:25
  Yeah, Yeah. Totally.
• 55:27
  Well, yeah, Shannon. No.
• 55:30
  No, his parents are down there for three months.
• 55:34
  And since we were literally, I mean, today was the day we're
• 55:36
  supposed to be leaving Florida. Yeah.
• 55:39
  And so I had told him, I'm like, this week's a little bit
• 55:43
  lighter. I'm like, why don't you go get
• 55:44
  some additional vitamin D? We had like all of his scans and
• 55:46
  stuff yesterday. So he was just like, this was
• 55:52
  probably right after we got back from Florida.
• 55:54
  I'm like, why don't you see if they are cool with you coming
• 55:56
  down, See what flights are. So he's leaving today.
• 55:58
  He'll be back on Saturday. Oh, nice.
• 56:00
  And I asked. Him yesterday when he was.
• 56:02
  Packing. I'm like, what's the weather
• 56:03
  like? And he just was like, because he
• 56:06
  knew what our weather looked like.
• 56:07
  And I'm like, it's like, I'm happy you're gonna go experience
• 56:09
  to tell me he's like 90s and sunny and I'm like.
• 56:14
  Hey, well, don't. Forget it's my birthday next
• 56:18
  week, so be really nice to me. Are we all going to do anything
• 56:22
  special? Hang out with family so on my.
• 56:24
  Actual birthday we're going to go to.
• 56:28
  This is something that you would probably love to do.
• 56:30
  It's this place called Sur La Table, and we are going with
• 56:34
  Steph and AJ and it's a they give you a menu and the chef
• 56:39
  brings you through and you make all the food.
• 56:43
  Yeah, we'll, we'll see how it is.
• 56:46
  I've I've been wanting to do it. It's like a 2 hour thing.
• 56:49
  So you literally make like 3 or 4 what's the word courses and
• 56:57
  like, so I hope I, I'm either gonna hate it 'cause I don't
• 57:00
  wanna like make it myself or I'm gonna love it.
• 57:02
  But I think I'll, I think it'll be really fun.
• 57:04
  That's so fun something. A little bit different too,
• 57:06
  because. You know, we always just like go
• 57:08
  out to a dinner and stuff, which is great as well, but it'll be
• 57:11
  fun. What is the area in?
• 57:13
  I was drawing a blank yesterday when I was trying to explain it
• 57:17
  in Italy that we want to go to Oh.
• 57:21
  Oh, it's like such an Instagramable thing.
• 57:24
  I know. Why am I?
• 57:25
  Why? Can't I think about it?
• 57:28
  Oh. No, for sure you would know.
• 57:30
  Something people are yelling at. I know two or three now.
• 57:34
  It's like the prettiest. Backdrop.
• 57:36
  We have to look it up. Look.
• 57:37
  It up now I'm. Oh my gosh, it's not Positono
• 57:42
  Bay. That's not even real, no.
• 57:46
  With a. Lady Most Amalfi.
• 57:50
  Coast, Amalfi Coast. So.
• 57:54
  It's this one's called the tour of Amalfi is what we're doing.
• 57:57
  So it's like starts with like a cauliflower bean type salad
• 58:03
  thing that we're making and then we're making homemade like wood
• 58:06
  fire pizzas and then some like homemade meatballs and red sauce
• 58:10
  and then make what they give you the menu before.
• 58:14
  Yeah, they tell you what we're going to be.
• 58:15
  Making and then because then you get to pick like because there
• 58:18
  was a couple of different nights that we were looking at and I'm
• 58:21
  like this one just looks like also like vibey, but stuff we
• 58:25
  wouldn't make at home. That's a pizza.
• 58:27
  Like obviously we'd make pizza, but like the type of like bean
• 58:31
  cauliflower salad thing that I was like, I would never make
• 58:33
  that. Like, think of it like.
• 58:36
  And then we're making homemade limoncellos sorbet.
• 58:42
  That should be fun, exciting. Yes, well, it'll be fun too
• 58:46
  doing. It with Steph and AJ because AJ
• 58:48
  actually out of all of us is the best chef but he's also used to
• 58:52
  like making it as he like as his own way.
• 58:56
  So it'll be interesting to see like following instructions.
• 58:58
  Meanwhile Steph is like not as big of a chef but like follows
• 59:01
  instructions to AT and then and then Casey and I kind of fall
• 59:05
  somewhere in the middle. Yeah, we have to.
• 59:07
  Next time we're together, I need to talk with Steph about her
• 59:10
  Virgo Ness. You guys are complete.
• 59:12
  Opposite in your Virgos which is hilarious I you being a Virgo
• 59:17
  and maybe I just don't know enough about Virgos.
• 59:19
  You don't seem like a Virgo to me.
• 59:20
  I know you do with your. Creative stuff.
• 59:23
  Though I'm very meticulous. With the creative stuff, yeah,
• 59:27
  for sure. But I my moon leans or not leans
• 59:30
  my I don't know if this is right Moon or sun.
• 59:32
  I don't know which is which but rising moon or?
• 59:34
  Something suddenly. It's in Scorpio, OK, I don't
• 59:39
  know what. My.
• 59:39
  Well, it doesn't. Even matter if you told me, I
• 59:42
  wouldn't even know. I'm a Pisces but I don't know
• 59:44
  what. My moon is.
• 59:46
  I looked that up. I asked.
• 59:47
  Chachi BT about Virgos and Pisces and why we're such good
• 59:50
  friends. And it was like, oh, Bethany, I
• 59:52
  love you asked me this. And this makes so much sense.
• 59:58
  I actually have. Heard that Pisces and Virgos are
• 1:00:00
  really good friends. Well, you have two of them, so
• 1:00:03
  I. Know yeah, that's true.
• 1:00:06
  Can you hear the vacuum? No.
• 1:00:08
  OK, good. That means my mic.
• 1:00:09
  Works. I wrote on the list for Mandy
• 1:00:11
  down there to vacuum the rugs and I was thinking, I'm like,
• 1:00:15
  I'm recording a podcast, why would I have her vacuum?
• 1:00:18
  But it's OK, you cannot hear. It oh good.
• 1:00:21
  Did you get any questions? On the question box 1.
• 1:00:28
  Perfect, we would love. I don't know. 5 to 8 would be
• 1:00:31
  nice, yeah, you know. We're growing.
• 1:00:34
  Someone asked if we ever do events on the West Coast.
• 1:00:39
  No. Do you want to?
• 1:00:44
  Host us. She's she's an owner, but I
• 1:00:46
  don't. Know how that works?
• 1:00:48
  We're. Like if a trainer has you there,
• 1:00:50
  I don't know, 'cause how we do it, it feels it's more of like
• 1:00:53
  an intimate thing, like, you know, sitting in a cozy area,
• 1:00:57
  Like literally. Well, and that's different.
• 1:00:59
  It's our trainer news, not the not the fact that no owners
• 1:01:03
  could come, but like it probably if you're an owner not looking
• 1:01:07
  to do anything outside of being an owner, the trainer news is
• 1:01:11
  not for you. So like that event that we do
• 1:01:13
  together is the only one and it's not a dog training, quote
• 1:01:17
  UN quote, you know, seminar for owners and it's in the comfort
• 1:01:22
  of both of our homes. So no, we don't, but doesn't
• 1:01:27
  mean we won't someday. I know you never know this.
• 1:01:29
  Is the thing about time, like it's so weird.
• 1:01:32
  It's crazy. Like, just think about how long
• 1:01:34
  have you been doing this? Like 9 years?
• 1:01:36
  Yeah, like. Officially full time 2019 but
• 1:01:39
  started the business in 2017 OK, so if you.
• 1:01:43
  Think back on everything that's happened over that time.
• 1:01:46
  To me, it's wild. Like in the moment, it feels
• 1:01:48
  like, oh man, I'd really love for this to happen or this or I
• 1:01:53
  don't know. But when you look back, you're
• 1:01:54
  like, wow, that happened. Feels like so quickly, like a
• 1:01:57
  year feels quick. Well, the thing that was
• 1:01:59
  interesting. Is yeah, yesterday or the day
• 1:02:02
  before, an owner tagged me in a video of her three-year old son
• 1:02:05
  walking one of the dogs that I trained.
• 1:02:08
  Yeah. It was so precious.
• 1:02:09
  And I was like, wait a second when?
• 1:02:12
  They came to pick up. That dog, their son was a week
• 1:02:16
  old, a newborn. I literally felt like I trained
• 1:02:19
  that dog a year ago and I literally responded back to her.
• 1:02:22
  I was like, how do you have a three-year old?
• 1:02:24
  He was yeah, they, I think that they had him a little bit
• 1:02:27
  earlier than what they expected. So they're like, can we bring
• 1:02:29
  our one week old? I'm like, of course I'm not
• 1:02:31
  like, yes, what? Find a babysitter for your one
• 1:02:36
  week old. But yeah, I was like, holy crap,
• 1:02:40
  three years I and this kids walking, walking the dog like
• 1:02:43
  what? The owner is actually the dog
• 1:02:47
  that I had told you reminded me of.
• 1:02:49
  Was it your dog Hazel, that you just yeah, that that owner.
• 1:02:55
  But that wasn't the dog. That was one of their other
• 1:02:57
  dogs. But that had like the most one
• 1:03:00
  of the most like skittish, nervous dogs I've ever worked
• 1:03:03
  with was that one. And I'm like, how is that three
• 1:03:06
  years ago? It's crazy.
• 1:03:08
  I. Mean I think.
• 1:03:10
  Oh, go ahead. Well, I was just thinking about
• 1:03:12
  I. I don't know.
• 1:03:13
  So we just had our fifth trainer in you and remember and it so it
• 1:03:18
  must have been like 3 years ago or longer, longer maybe like 4
• 1:03:21
  years. Oh my gosh.
• 1:03:22
  Where we were sitting on back porch coming up with like what
• 1:03:27
  to put in the workbook, what to name it.
• 1:03:29
  What to name it? Yes.
• 1:03:32
  Yeah. She's so crazy, so crazy and
• 1:03:35
  time. I know it's a.
• 1:03:37
  Thing. Well, what's going on in your
• 1:03:38
  day then? Are you, do you have any dogs?
• 1:03:41
  Boarding dogs, OK. With boarding dogs the next
• 1:03:45
  month, gardening. I love that for you.
• 1:03:50
  I was just replaced the baking. So gardening and well, well, I
• 1:03:55
  know you like that saying, well, it's funny or whatever, doing
• 1:03:58
  nothing. But no, I was just, I felt.
• 1:04:01
  And this was also where it was a good cue, like reminder of
• 1:04:05
  paying attention to my gut, even though I had to refund the money
• 1:04:08
  kind of a thing, part of it, but I felt like exhausted after.
• 1:04:14
  And so just trying to recuperate, which is so crazy.
• 1:04:16
  Like sometimes that makes me feel like not, I don't ever
• 1:04:22
  question that I'm not a good enough trainer.
• 1:04:24
  But sometimes with stuff like that, I'm like, shouldn't I like
• 1:04:27
  be OK working through stuff like this by now?
• 1:04:30
  Like working through like pushy kind of stuff where I feel like
• 1:04:34
  to, and I think other trainers can probably relate to this
• 1:04:37
  where there's certain things that pop up where it's like, oh
• 1:04:40
  man, like why, why is that so challenging for me?
• 1:04:43
  Where I feel like, if I'm honest, like I feel like you
• 1:04:46
  probably have a better grip on anxious stuff in the kennel
• 1:04:51
  where I it is so triggering to me.
• 1:04:53
  And it's, it's not just triggering because triggering
• 1:04:55
  can be sometimes seem like you get like pissed off or
• 1:04:58
  something. It's more it drains me.
• 1:05:00
  Like I just feel like I absorb the energy and it just takes out
• 1:05:03
  of me. Well, also like.
• 1:05:05
  Your tolerance overtime could just change like and that's OK.
• 1:05:10
  Like I even think about that with dogs, like Birdie, for
• 1:05:13
  example, she used to be my, you know, especially at our old
• 1:05:16
  house, loved playing with all the new dogs and loved, you
• 1:05:20
  know, roughhousing with them and stuff like that.
• 1:05:22
  And like as she's gotten older, she's still like can be very
• 1:05:25
  social around other dogs, but she's more of the like, let's
• 1:05:28
  just sniff with each other. Let's I don't, we don't need to
• 1:05:30
  play. We don't need to like deeply
• 1:05:32
  interact. And it's like her tolerance has
• 1:05:34
  just changed. And I just respect that with
• 1:05:35
  her. And so like, even if you is it
• 1:05:39
  your tolerance to it just might be more like, I know this is a
• 1:05:42
  non negotiable for me and it doesn't make me feel good and
• 1:05:45
  I'm not going to like budget with it.
• 1:05:47
  And it's also OK to not be great at something like like true.
• 1:05:51
  Like it's OK that it's like working through the crate stuff
• 1:05:53
  is not your and you don't like it.
• 1:05:56
  So then it's like, why would you also try to get a lot better at
• 1:05:59
  something you truly don't like? Oh my gosh.
• 1:06:02
  I don't like crate. Stuff like it, it's, yeah,
• 1:06:05
  absolutely annoying to me. I just also think that I have a
• 1:06:09
  different level of like I have Mandy that comes in and helps.
• 1:06:13
  We've got, you know, Casey who's also holding accountable.
• 1:06:15
  Like it's not falling all on me. Obviously Bobby is super helpful
• 1:06:18
  if you need it to need him to be, but I think that I don't
• 1:06:23
  know, I it's not attached to my home anymore.
• 1:06:26
  So it's like even if they're whining, even though I check
• 1:06:28
  cameras all the time, like they're whining while I'm
• 1:06:30
  sleeping. I don't know.
• 1:06:32
  Yeah. And I don't care.
• 1:06:33
  Yeah. Actually, I really do care
• 1:06:36
  'cause then I'm like. Crap, are they gonna go home?
• 1:06:37
  And but also like I'll talk the owners through how to hopefully
• 1:06:42
  work through it and it's not always gonna be like seamless.
• 1:06:45
  Some dogs go home also, they never whine in my crate ever.
• 1:06:48
  And they go home and they're keeping their owners up at
• 1:06:49
  night. And I'm like, or the opposite.
• 1:06:52
  Yes, yeah, they're. Super pushy with us.
• 1:06:54
  Like, to the end where it feels like you should be at a certain
• 1:06:56
  point or something. And then their owner's like,
• 1:06:58
  everything's great. It's like, really?
• 1:07:00
  Are you sure? Yeah.
• 1:07:01
  I mean, you Remember Me talking. About especially two dogs back
• 1:07:04
  at our old house that had yes, the.
• 1:07:08
  Crate. Confinement issues that
• 1:07:10
  literally like I sent one of them home early.
• 1:07:12
  That dog made me question my mental sanity.
• 1:07:16
  I had cystic acne. I literally feel like I gained
• 1:07:19
  weight even though I wasn't even eating that well when it was
• 1:07:22
  there. Like just like from stress in my
• 1:07:24
  immune system being like in fight or flight like I just like
• 1:07:28
  it was terrible. So like, I do remember that
• 1:07:31
  stuff. That I like that.
• 1:07:32
  Type of stuff. And he's something extreme.
• 1:07:34
  I'm like no, please no and I think.
• 1:07:39
  Also 'cause there's so many different facets to us being dog
• 1:07:42
  trainers where social media stuff the in dog with owners
• 1:07:47
  with dogs where that day also Thursday before the dog went
• 1:07:51
  home on Friday when I decided it I was getting so much shit
• 1:07:53
  online. I don't know what happened Yeah
• 1:07:56
  about E collar stuff. And so part of me has I don't
• 1:07:59
  remember you sharing a couple of.
• 1:08:01
  Them well face. That real insane.
• 1:08:05
  So yeah, it was a real on that. It was like automatically
• 1:08:09
  sharing to Facebook and. It was just.
• 1:08:12
  Like I couldn't check my phone without having some kind of
• 1:08:17
  message or comment or and a couple of them I just felt
• 1:08:22
  personal, like in a way where it's just me checking my phone.
• 1:08:25
  I don't have people to like talk me through it except for I can
• 1:08:28
  tell Bobby, but it just felt like a lot.
• 1:08:30
  And so it was that on top of this dog and yeah.
• 1:08:37
  So it's. Just so many things.
• 1:08:38
  That is so fair, yeah. I felt like.
• 1:08:41
  Burnout, even though why would I be burned out?
• 1:08:43
  Like I have one dog in like what is going on?
• 1:08:45
  So then I was like, what is happening?
• 1:08:47
  Like I love creating content and that's such a cool part of our
• 1:08:51
  job. So it's like, well, how can I
• 1:08:53
  change this so that I'm in control of what I share?
• 1:08:56
  I don't need to be. This is what I've come to the
• 1:08:58
  conclusion of I don't need to be the go to E collar person.
• 1:09:01
  I don't want to. Did you just delete that one off
• 1:09:06
  of? Facebook I turned off the.
• 1:09:08
  Comments. OK.
• 1:09:10
  So yeah, I had one. Real once Facebook is like the
• 1:09:13
  wild, Wild West that like it was also like a higher viewing reel
• 1:09:16
  on Instagram, but it was like going viral on Facebook and it
• 1:09:21
  was a dog and a muzzle and working through things actually
• 1:09:24
  at the owner's home. And Oh my gosh, the amount of
• 1:09:30
  comments A, that the fact that we had an E collar on him B,
• 1:09:33
  that the muzzle that was on him 'cause they we used two
• 1:09:36
  different types was a little bit more narrow.
• 1:09:38
  So like not tons of panting space, but it was just in that
• 1:09:43
  video. And so people are like just not
• 1:09:47
  only saying that I have daddy issues, I'm like, what does,
• 1:09:50
  what does this have to do with daddy issues?
• 1:09:51
  It's so bizarre like what? And then, like, attacking the
• 1:09:57
  owner because it's like, why is that type of muzzle?
• 1:09:59
  And I'm just like, I cannot. And they're like literally
• 1:10:01
  putting gifts of Hannibal Lecter like in the comments.
• 1:10:04
  And I'm like, no, So I just literally deleted that one off
• 1:10:07
  of Facebook because I'm like, I'm probably not gonna attract
• 1:10:10
  my dream owner on Facebook. Yeah.
• 1:10:14
  Well, then I, because I saw another trainer who post it who
• 1:10:18
  I've like been friends with in the past and she posted
• 1:10:20
  something on her stories of like a reel from her friend who was
• 1:10:25
  going that was going viral or whatever and getting so much
• 1:10:28
  crap in the comments. And I just felt like I was
• 1:10:30
  constantly getting signs of like just reiterating what I don't
• 1:10:35
  want, which is this is the thing too about trainers who want
• 1:10:39
  stuff to go viral or to do really well.
• 1:10:42
  There are some big pluses to that if it's specific to what
• 1:10:45
  you want people to consume from you, but then there's also some
• 1:10:50
  really negative stuff that can come from it.
• 1:10:51
  And so I've been trying to just lean into things that feel good
• 1:10:56
  to share things that I want to create and not from a space of
• 1:11:00
  how can I sell more guides about the E collar, but more like
• 1:11:03
  maybe I'm in a new era where for myself where I'm gonna create
• 1:11:07
  different things. It's not specific to that like
• 1:11:09
  so kind of in that kind of a thing in my stories of.
• 1:11:13
  Course I still share tons about E collar work, but like I barely
• 1:11:16
  share about it in my feet anymore.
• 1:11:17
  Not that I like am against it. I just my focus has been, and I
• 1:11:22
  think that like I used to care so much about like I want
• 1:11:26
  obviously my content to be shareable and stuff like that.
• 1:11:28
  But like I used to love when, you know, my reels would get so
• 1:11:31
  many views and blah, blah, blah. But now like even like with my
• 1:11:35
  posts and stuff, like I feel like I'm really leaning into
• 1:11:39
  more of the sharing about like living a lifestyle with a dog.
• 1:11:42
  Like if you're struggling with this, don't do like that kind of
• 1:11:45
  stuff versus like making it about about a tool or making it
• 1:11:48
  about, you know, how TOS, which how TOS are great as well.
• 1:11:52
  But so I've barely gotten I haven't had hate in a long time
• 1:11:57
  on my page and I'm like, it's so nice.
• 1:11:59
  So nice. It like makes me like.
• 1:12:01
  Posting and just being like, well, this might, you know, be
• 1:12:05
  somewhat popular. This might be not popular at
• 1:12:07
  all, and that's OK. It's still has some level of I
• 1:12:10
  like it, like like I like it. This would be something that I
• 1:12:14
  would want to see and come across my feed it that's so
• 1:12:17
  important. Like I know after I was sharing
• 1:12:19
  dog Diaries and then I was like, I missed the the purpose behind
• 1:12:24
  sharing about the E collar and then I'm get back into it.
• 1:12:26
  I'm like, no, I actually do not want to share this.
• 1:12:29
  Yeah. So yeah, it's just interesting.
• 1:12:31
  You never know what's gonna hit or miss.
• 1:12:33
  Because like, meaning what's gonna make people pissed and
• 1:12:35
  what's not gonna make them pissed?
• 1:12:37
  Because that reel that we did of like imagine hating us and this
• 1:12:39
  is E collar. Like 99% of the comments on it
• 1:12:43
  were positive. So positive.
• 1:12:45
  Yeah. And so like to me, I'm like, I
• 1:12:47
  don't wanna. Post that all the time, you
• 1:12:48
  know, so it's just like, but also I think it helped by us
• 1:12:52
  being like, imagine hating me. And it's like, so we're already
• 1:12:55
  kind of bringing the like, we don't care.
• 1:12:57
  We don't care. Energy.
• 1:12:58
  Yeah, I know. And.
• 1:13:00
  That's sometimes when I when I get a really good message or
• 1:13:03
  comment and like I actually share it in my stories about how
• 1:13:07
  I was feeling like I don't know if I ever want to share about E
• 1:13:09
  caller ever again. It's an owner sent me a really
• 1:13:11
  nice message. Let you go though.
• 1:13:14
  I'm either. Only going to post about.
• 1:13:15
  E caller or I'm never going to post about them again.
• 1:13:17
  I tell you what, I almost did. Impulsively and I stopped
• 1:13:19
  myself. I almost put up A and I don't
• 1:13:22
  have a ton of people following me on Facebook, but I almost did
• 1:13:26
  like a, a post that was like, I'm never sharing on Facebook
• 1:13:29
  again. I just wanted you to know that
• 1:13:31
  please follow me over on Instagram if you'd like to
• 1:13:33
  continue following. And I started writing it out and
• 1:13:36
  I was like, why am I doing that? Is so funny that you said.
• 1:13:39
  That this has nothing to like not the same concept at all.
• 1:13:42
  But Casey the other day he had it was on Friday, someone in for
• 1:13:47
  an interview for something he's doing for a project and he's
• 1:13:51
  like, well, while I have it set up, I'm going to like film my
• 1:13:54
  welcome video for my website. Like, OK, great.
• 1:13:57
  I hear him in the basement just struggling because he's like so
• 1:14:00
  not used to being on the other side of the camera.
• 1:14:02
  And so he like, it's a Kate, I need you to come down here.
• 1:14:05
  And I'm literally like, this is like 530 in the evening on a
• 1:14:08
  Friday. I had already put like my soft
• 1:14:10
  pants on, no bra on, just my sweatshirt hair on top of my
• 1:14:14
  head. And I sit down and I'm like, hi,
• 1:14:15
  I'm Casey from Rose Butter. And like, so he's like, how are
• 1:14:17
  you so good at this? I'm like, because I'm, you're
• 1:14:21
  constantly filming me, but he then took a story and he's like,
• 1:14:25
  I'm gonna take this story and then post.
• 1:14:27
  He still hasn't posted it. And he's like, hey, guys, like,
• 1:14:31
  just, you know, he's talking about how like, it's hard for
• 1:14:33
  him to be in front of the camera.
• 1:14:34
  Like, I get where you guys are coming from.
• 1:14:36
  And then he goes, yeah, and just I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be
• 1:14:40
  posting. Oh, no.
• 1:14:41
  While he was sitting for the interview, he was, I'm like,
• 1:14:44
  what is the, OK, what is the purpose of this video that
• 1:14:46
  you're filming right now 'cause he wanted to do one for
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  Instagram, one for his website, the website one.
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  Get it makes sense. Like what are you trying to do
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  for the Instagram one? And he's like, I want to tell
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  people I'm going to be posting more content.
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  I'm like, why? Why do we need to alert people
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  that you're going to be posting kind of like you how you're
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  like, I'm not going to be posting on on Facebook anymore.
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  I'm like, we don't need an alert.
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  It's OK. No, no one needs.
• 1:15:10
  To know that we're exiting stage left.
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  So I said to him, I was like. Hun, like I'm like, why do you
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  need to put a reel up of you telling people more contents
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  coming? He's like God, God, I don't, I
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  don't, I don't like he just like I'm just saying like if you want
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  to, that's fine, but then you like post that and then
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  crickets. Like meaning you actually have
• 1:15:33
  to then post every time this happens.
• 1:15:36
  We should just say book club. Book club.
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  It's a book club moment where I have everyone get this book and
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  then I never show up to do it. Book Club.
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  Yes, Why announced? You are book clubbers.
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  You guys are the presidents of the book.
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  Club I wanted. To just post on just, yeah, what
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  I thought you were going to say is.
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  We alerted about this, yeah. I thought you were going to say.
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  Like I'm an E collar trainer, I use E collars.
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  If you don't like it you can unfollow me.
• 1:16:06
  That's what I thought you were going to do something like that,
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  which also like never posting here again.
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  Just want to alert you because everyone cares so much about
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  this though. PSAPSA.
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  I don't care. They don't care.
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  No one cares. They don't care.
• 1:16:21
  They close both ways and also those people.
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  Commented on your reel and forgot about 20 minutes later.
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  I just don't understand. It must be the Facebook
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  algorithm because I don't understand it.
• 1:16:31
  It's like people are just out to I don't I think maybe it's push
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  to them. So if they've ever been anti
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  this topic, it's like push to them.
• 1:16:39
  Yes, because I don't get this anymore on Instagram.
• 1:16:42
  Very rarely like, but it doesn't feel as like hateful God.
• 1:16:47
  I yeah, I know Facebook is just, I mean, think about, Oh yeah,
• 1:16:51
  you guys don't sell anything on Facebook Marketplace that would
• 1:16:53
  just give you all the information you need.
• 1:16:56
  Facebook Marketplace. I've seen a couple of videos
• 1:16:59
  from this. I'll have to send it to you
• 1:17:01
  where she's like, look at what is on Facebook Marketplace in
• 1:17:04
  Louisville, KY or like some like or you just got people messaged.
• 1:17:07
  You on Facebook marketplace, like the whole is this
• 1:17:11
  available? Well, it's listed so yeah, it's
• 1:17:13
  available. And then they'll be like OK,
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  cool. Like can I come pick it up here?
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  And then the person's like yeah, like sure.
• 1:17:19
  Can we meet at like the case of like can we meet at the
• 1:17:21
  Walgreens and whatever? Yeah, OK, awesome.
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  Doesn't show up. It doesn't show up.
• 1:17:27
  It would take one time for me to never do that again.
• 1:17:29
  He does. It all the time, but most of the
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  time they do show up so. It's just, yeah, I don't.
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  Do any of it, Like if I sell something which I don't even
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  list stuff on Facebook marketplace, if there's
• 1:17:40
  something I want to try to sell, I give it to him to like take a
• 1:17:43
  picture and try to sell it. Like my Apple Watch right now
• 1:17:45
  it's like a newer ish one I just don't wear anymore because I've
• 1:17:47
  got Brenda and I'm like if it sells great, if it doesn't I
• 1:17:52
  want nothing to do with it. Because I don't care.
• 1:17:58
  It's like with the editing of the.
• 1:17:59
  Reels for our podcast, which I don't know how he got the magic
• 1:18:03
  edit to be so opposite. Maybe I just wasn't looking hard
• 1:18:05
  enough. This is like I was like I'm.
• 1:18:07
  Like when he showed them to me, I'm like, whoa, you did these
• 1:18:10
  pretty quick. He's like, actually he's like, I
• 1:18:11
  just had to make some minor adjustments.
• 1:18:12
  He's like Riverside did most of it.
• 1:18:14
  And I'm like, oh, no bad thing is not gonna like these.
• 1:18:16
  And she said they were dumb. And she said they were, they
• 1:18:18
  were you. It was.
• 1:18:22
  Like so stupid. Now I'm curious what?
• 1:18:24
  You saw because I'll have to. I'm like the ones that.
• 1:18:27
  He did are so. Straightforward.
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  Oh, they were great, Yeah. Yeah, they're also.
• 1:18:31
  Topics that I would want to. Share just like snippets.
• 1:18:33
  Yeah, Yeah, that's the thing. What is your plans?
• 1:18:37
  I know you have a lot of dogs. No, it's.
• 1:18:39
  Actually like not a we have the three training dogs and then one
• 1:18:43
  border. So it's and really they're again
• 1:18:46
  a crew that like can go all out together.
• 1:18:48
  And so it's I thought you went and got iced coffee.
• 1:18:50
  Yeah, yeah. So the other day.
• 1:18:52
  When it was nice and sunny and then we went to the private dog
• 1:18:54
  park, which was so much fun. Yeah.
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  But yeah, no, it's a pretty low key day from a standpoint of
• 1:19:00
  like, it's supposed to be crappy weather.
• 1:19:02
  So I don't know. We won't do anything crazy,
• 1:19:05
  maybe go to a store or something.
• 1:19:07
  But yeah, it's yeah, no, it's not like the dogs that we have
• 1:19:12
  right now. It's like busy, but it's doesn't
• 1:19:14
  feel like, Oh my God, I've got no time to myself or anything
• 1:19:17
  like that. I got all the things to make
• 1:19:19
  another batch of soup. So I'll probably do that while
• 1:19:21
  Casey's gone. He doesn't like the soup, but he
• 1:19:23
  just said like, because again, it makes a big batch feel like
• 1:19:27
  you're eating it often. He's just like I I can't have
• 1:19:31
  any more right now. Yeah, I thought that was for
• 1:19:33
  sure like a. Tooty thing, but it wasn't no
• 1:19:35
  just like. I I'm sick of the coot type of
• 1:19:38
  thing. Which, by the way.
• 1:19:40
  You know that real I sent you of the defined dish of the you bake
• 1:19:44
  the chicken thighs in the oven? Yeah, with that we've been
• 1:19:47
  making it like 3 times. Are you?
• 1:19:49
  Serious. I haven't tried that yet, OK,
• 1:19:51
  Because we've also been doing leftovers.
• 1:19:53
  Because we were going to pokey pretty often.
• 1:19:55
  And so since I don't have a trained dog, I've kind of turned
• 1:19:58
  into like, how can I save $40 like, a day for lunch?
• 1:20:02
  So we've been having leftovers. Yeah.
• 1:20:03
  Yeah, I know. I love.
• 1:20:05
  I love. Like leftovers like that for
• 1:20:06
  lunch. Honestly, that's what I've been
• 1:20:07
  doing with the soup a lot is doing that for lunch.
• 1:20:10
  Oh yeah, that's what we did. Forever.
• 1:20:11
  Yeah, yeah. Awesome.
• 1:20:14
  Hour 19. Wow.
• 1:20:15
  Oh my gosh, it flies by. Nice.
• 1:20:17
  That's the thing that I knew going into this, that I was like
• 1:20:20
  a little bit in a funk. And I mean, still, I, it's, it's
• 1:20:25
  fine. I just know that my mood is very
• 1:20:26
  much. And it's, I don't know, it's
• 1:20:27
  been more with age, very dependent on what the weather is
• 1:20:31
  doing. Yeah.
• 1:20:33
  So, and honestly, it's just like, sometimes I don't know,
• 1:20:37
  maybe I don't think I'm premenstrual, but I sometimes
• 1:20:40
  I'm just feeling like down in the dumps.
• 1:20:42
  I don't know. But I knew I would feel happier
• 1:20:45
  and some sort of like laughter would come from this.
• 1:20:48
  But I was like, I'm also going to just show up how I feel, and
• 1:20:52
  I don't need to be the most entertaining on a podcast
• 1:20:55
  episode every week. We're gonna keep.
• 1:20:57
  Oh my God. I keep hitting the table and
• 1:20:59
  it's making it rattle. But yeah, I already feel like my
• 1:21:02
  mood is happier after talking to you.
• 1:21:04
  Yay. OK, Can I give you?
• 1:21:06
  A homework assignment? What for?
• 1:21:09
  Content. OK, what?
• 1:21:11
  OK, so I want you to do. A post that's something like 10
• 1:21:16
  things I wish I knew before getting a dog OK, which I just
• 1:21:19
  did. Oh, did you when I was in?
• 1:21:21
  Florida. OK, we'll do another.
• 1:21:23
  One can you help me with it? OK 'cause I I want you on.
• 1:21:26
  The last slide to say, say your your guide, yeah, don't just
• 1:21:31
  announce it. I want you to have this, this
• 1:21:34
  saying in mind. It's not the product you sell,
• 1:21:36
  it's the problem you solve. Yes.
• 1:21:39
  OK, so you help me with. It.
• 1:21:40
  Yeah, sure. Great.
• 1:21:44
  I have the. Time it's gardening and content
• 1:21:46
  yes, yes content for. Kate, I love it.
• 1:21:51
  OK. OK, well I hope you have a great
• 1:21:53
  rest of your day. I know I wish.
• 1:21:54
  How are your ferns? Doing more often.
• 1:21:57
  They're doing. Great.
• 1:21:57
  Can you see that? Yeah, I, I think it's probably.
• 1:21:59
  A good thing you brought them inside.
• 1:22:00
  I know, I think. We're getting warmer out.
• 1:22:04
  Yeah, well, they just. They were, we had them on the
• 1:22:06
  outside 'cause they would shed inside.
• 1:22:08
  So I'm hoping but the porch. Oh yeah, you.
• 1:22:12
  Are Yeah. The one thing that, like Bobby
• 1:22:14
  moved everything the other day over the weekend to vacuum all
• 1:22:18
  the leaves out because it's been very windy.
• 1:22:21
  I've been keeping up with wiping down the black table, which
• 1:22:23
  shows dust like this. It'll force you to.
• 1:22:26
  Oh. My God.
• 1:22:27
  That's probably good, yeah. Otherwise you would just turn
• 1:22:29
  into the other table. You cannot see dust, no.
• 1:22:33
  Longer steam goes yeah, they just fell through it just went
• 1:22:36
  to the ground it. Was just accumulating by all my
• 1:22:40
  dead seed pods anyway. Oh my God.
• 1:22:43
  So yeah, I have to clean. It because it makes me crazy.
• 1:22:46
  I don't know if that's a Virgo thing maybe.
• 1:22:49
  Yeah, I like when that happens. OK, well, so nice talking to
• 1:22:52
  you. You too.
• 1:22:53
  I will talk. To you soon, OK Love you.
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  Bye. Love you.
• 1:22:57
  Bye.