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OUTRAGE!! AMERICAN MOMS AND CHILDREN MASSACRED as Mommy holds hands up in air. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: At least nine Americans, including six children, brutally murdered in
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  Speaker 1: a massacre after a drug cartel opens fire on this family.
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  Speaker 1: They could be your neighbors, your cousins, your sister. One
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  Speaker 1: hero mother dies shielding her seven month old baby girl
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  Speaker 1: who lived a thirteen year old boy. The brother hid
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  Speaker 1: his little brothers and sisters from the gunman in bushes,
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  Speaker 1: then he walked thirteen miles to get help. The authorities
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  Speaker 1: there and Sonara say that one person, a heavily armed
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  Speaker 1: man close where the attacks took place, may possibly have participated,
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  Speaker 1: and the evidences quote being analyzed seriously, they can't figure
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  Speaker 1: out who did it. I mean it's he Gray. This
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  Speaker 1: is crime stories, Crime Stories with Nancy, Grace, Nita, and
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  Speaker 1: four of my grandchildren. Bert shot up three women and
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  Speaker 1: at least six children, including twin infants, ambushed and shot
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  Speaker 1: in a remote mountainous area south of the US border.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the survivors, including at least five children, who
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  Speaker 1: were flown by helicopter to be treated for gunshot wounds
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  Speaker 1: in Tucson, Arizona. They somehow escaped the slaughter, the oldest
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  Speaker 1: who was thirteen. I believe he hid them all under
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  Speaker 1: a bush on the side of the road, told him
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  Speaker 1: to stay, and he ran victims. Relatives say the group
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  Speaker 1: was traveling by caravan picking up family members preparing for
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  Speaker 1: an upcoming wedding. They were traveling in three separate SUVs,
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  Speaker 1: deep and Narco territory and admit an ongoing cartel war.
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  Speaker 1: Mexican officials think the women's SUVs may have been mistaken
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  Speaker 1: by rival drug gangs. Relatives say at one point, one
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  Speaker 1: of the mothers got out of her vehicle with her
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  Speaker 1: hands up to show they were families. The gunmen shot
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  Speaker 1: her point blank in the chest. Mexico has always been
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  Speaker 1: safe for us growing up. I always felt safe there,
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  Speaker 1: and just in the last few months it's gotten a
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  Speaker 1: little scary. The drug violence getting worse in Mexico, and
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  Speaker 1: tonight an American family that was ready to celebrate a
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  Speaker 1: wedding now preparing for several funerals. At least nine Americans,
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  Speaker 1: including six children, brutally murdered in a massacre. A hero
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  Speaker 1: mother dies shielding her seven month old baby girl who survived,
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  Speaker 1: while one boy hides his brothers and sisters from the
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  Speaker 1: killers in bushes, then walks thirteen miles to get help
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  Speaker 1: after a drug cartail opens fire on this family again,
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  Speaker 1: killing nine. I mean, I see, Grace, this is crime stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. The pain this family
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  Speaker 1: has endured is reverberating, and my question is what are
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  Speaker 1: we Americans going to do about it? You were just
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  Speaker 1: hearing our friends over at ABC. It's overwhelming to me
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  Speaker 1: what has happened. Straight out to Radar Online dot Com
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  Speaker 1: investigative reporter Alexis Terres Chuck, Alexis, I just as you know,
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  Speaker 1: hand it in a manuscript to my publisher, Hashet and
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  Speaker 1: the title of the book is Don't Be a Victim,
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  Speaker 1: Fighting back against America's Crime Wife. It's not on the
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  Speaker 1: shelves yet, but I've researched and worked on the book
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  Speaker 1: for almost two years. A major chapter is traveling Abroad
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  Speaker 1: how to Stay Safe. I researched into Mexico, where I've
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  Speaker 1: been many times, going diving there. At the end, I
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  Speaker 1: finally titled it just don't go, Just don't go because
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  Speaker 1: the murderer. The homicide rate in Mexico is horrible and
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  Speaker 1: it's the number one vacation destination of US citizens. Tell
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  Speaker 1: me what happens. Start at the beginning in Lecas, I
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  Speaker 1: don't understand, mothers, babies, children all shot dead. These families
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  Speaker 1: were not on vacation. They all set out in the morning, daylight,
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  Speaker 1: broad daylight, three large SUVs Chevrolet Tahoe's big big cars
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  Speaker 1: to go to a family wedding and to go pick
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  Speaker 1: up with one of the ladies husbands at the Phoenix,
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  Speaker 1: Arizona Airport. So they drive in their cars with all
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  Speaker 1: of their children and they are stopped on the road,
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  Speaker 1: which is, I guess is a notorious area for drug
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  Speaker 1: cartel problems. These women and children are defenseless, absolutely defenseless.
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  Speaker 1: They are murdered, slaughtered, shot in their cars separately. Each
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  Speaker 1: suv was had a mother and children in it, and
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  Speaker 1: each mother and her children were killed by multiple gunshots,
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  Speaker 1: gunshot wounds. Their bodies were riddled with bullets, including the
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  Speaker 1: children joining me an all Star panel Professor Forensics, Jacksonville
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  Speaker 1: State University, Joseph Scott Morgan, author of Blood Beneath My
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  Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon. Doctor Kendall Crown's medical examiner, Travis County, Texas.
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  Speaker 1: That's Austin newcomer today. Doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis, Psychologists professor
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  Speaker 1: at Columbia University. That's not shabby. Joining me right now.
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  Speaker 1: James Galliano, former FBI Supervisory special Agent and attest Shade
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  Speaker 1: to Mexico for two years. James Galliano, International crimes expert.
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  Speaker 1: James Galliano, thank you for being with us, James. This
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  Speaker 1: family traveling caravan style to a wedding. The mommy, one
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  Speaker 1: of the mommies, gets out, holds her hands up in
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  Speaker 1: the air for Pete's sake, and they shoot her dead. Well,
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  Speaker 1: help me, James, help me understand why it happened and what,
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  Speaker 1: if anything, we can do about it. Well, that's a
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  Speaker 1: that's a that's a great question, Nancy. And uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and listening to the lead up, you know, in regards
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  Speaker 1: to Mexico, you pointed out I lived there from twenty
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  Speaker 1: and thirteen through twenty fourteen, and Mexico has a huge
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  Speaker 1: violence problem. You know, it's a it's a country I
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  Speaker 1: think horrible. James, listen, I'm just on the tip. I'm
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  Speaker 1: on the outside looking in. You live there, but I've
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  Speaker 1: been there many many times when I was a diving enthusiast.
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  Speaker 1: I quit that after the twins were born because I
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  Speaker 1: feel that the risk is too great and I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to leave them without a mom. But researching for
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  Speaker 1: this book, it's so many America has just gunned down,
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  Speaker 1: like leaving restaurants, walking downtown, walking in a shopping area,
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  Speaker 1: just gotten down for no reason. Tourists. Well, I think
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  Speaker 1: we need to make a distinction there though. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the two years that I was there, we
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  Speaker 1: had very, very very few cases of actual American citizens
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  Speaker 1: being killed there. And Mexico is a country of one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty nine million people. I think last year
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  Speaker 1: they suffered thirty three thousand homicides. That's that's horrific. The
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  Speaker 1: United States says three hundred and thirty five million people,
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  Speaker 1: and I think last year we were just around sixteen
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  Speaker 1: thousand homicides, So certainly per capita. There are areas like
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  Speaker 1: where this case happened up in the Sonora region along
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  Speaker 1: the border up near Chihuahua, places like Seuda de Warez,
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  Speaker 1: places like that that are known for for cartel you know,
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  Speaker 1: the blood bat that's associated with the cartels. I will
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  Speaker 1: caveat if by saying this, I do travel back to
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  Speaker 1: Mexico now with my family and do visit. You have
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  Speaker 1: to stick to the rules, and the rules are you
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  Speaker 1: stay by major urban areas, places like Mexico City to
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  Speaker 1: per Se where there's two one million James James, James James, Yes, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I would not have known all these stats if I
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  Speaker 1: had not just finished literally writing a book about it.
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  Speaker 1: When you go online to the US government website, it
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  Speaker 1: lists all of these Mexican cities. Do not travel, be
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  Speaker 1: on alert, high alert, don't go here, don't go there,
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  Speaker 1: and then they give you all these outlines. Don't do this,
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  Speaker 1: don't do that, don't go to this region, don't go
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  Speaker 1: to that region. I mean, And they're high profile tourist areas.
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  Speaker 1: I would like to point out they're not all small
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  Speaker 1: border towns that many Americans have not heard of. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of them are areas that are hot spots for
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  Speaker 1: American tourists. But how has the cartel taken over Mexico
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  Speaker 1: and now they go with impunity and murder mothers with
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  Speaker 1: their children. How's that happening? And what if anything can
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  Speaker 1: we do about it? As the American government? What can
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  Speaker 1: we do well? I would never see that a tourist
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  Speaker 1: gets on a long, lonely stretch of highway, you know,
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  Speaker 1: through San Luis, spoke to See or places like that,
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  Speaker 1: headed up north toward the border areas. I would tell
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  Speaker 1: them to stay close to the resorts, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: Mexico's economy is built essentially in American tourism, and they
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  Speaker 1: certainly want to make sure that they get to the
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  Speaker 1: bottom of this. My frustration is just I don't believe
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  Speaker 1: the case is being worked concurrently. Blah blah blah. James,
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  Speaker 1: no offense. I am not spitting in the face of
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  Speaker 1: the FBI. Never would I do that, but quote getting
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  Speaker 1: to the bottom of it. I already know what happened.
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  Speaker 1: A Mexican drug cartail, which is the lowest of the
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  Speaker 1: low or drug pushers, drug distributors. They ruined lives, they
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  Speaker 1: murdered nine American citizens. I've already gotten to the bottom
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  Speaker 1: of it. My question is what's going to happen now?
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, we were always told if
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  Speaker 1: you're not in the mafia, you'll be safe. They won't
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  Speaker 1: hurt you. They won't they won't bother you. After this incident,
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  Speaker 1: I know that it's not true. Three suv set out
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  Speaker 1: from Leamura, about seventy miles south of Douglas, Arizona. As
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  Speaker 1: the convoy came under fire, some of the children managed
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  Speaker 1: to escape the oldest, who was thirteen. He hit the
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  Speaker 1: rest of the kids behind a tree on the side
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  Speaker 1: of the road and walked back to our community to
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  Speaker 1: get help. Just off all, the governor of Sonora tweeting,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of monsters dare to hurt
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  Speaker 1: women and children. As governor, I will do everything to
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  Speaker 1: make sure this does not go unpunished. In those responsible
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  Speaker 1: pay this morning. It's still unclear what motivated disattack. If
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  Speaker 1: you go to crime online dot com and you see
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  Speaker 1: the faces of this family slaughtered, they could be your neighbors,
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  Speaker 1: your cousins, your sister, your nephews, your niece's. Nine members
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  Speaker 1: of the Albarian family were attacked eight miles apart while
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  Speaker 1: traveling in a convoy back and forth to a wedding.
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  Speaker 1: One hero mother dies shielding her seven month old baby
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  Speaker 1: girl who lived a thirteen year old boy. The brother
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  Speaker 1: hid his little brothers and sisters from the gunman in bushes,
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  Speaker 1: then he walked thirteen miles to get help to Joseph
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  Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood
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  Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon. He is a death investigator.
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  Speaker 1: You have studied every bit of information that has been released.
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  Speaker 1: What can you tell happened based on the forensics. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, Nancy, I was looking over the
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  Speaker 1: crime scene images in this particular case and they're absolutely horrific. Specifically,
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  Speaker 1: what it centers around is this suv that's out in
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  Speaker 1: this scrub area that they have. It looks like a
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  Speaker 1: desert maybe high desert, low growth bushes. You know, they're
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  Speaker 1: talking about the kids hiding away in these areas. I
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  Speaker 1: don't see how anybody could be sequestered in this low
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  Speaker 1: growth brush. But one of the things that's very striking, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: is that the vehicle that the images kind of center
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  Speaker 1: in on, and I think that a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: have already seen this in the news, has been burned out. Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: The tires on this vehicle are gone. And in order
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  Speaker 1: to literally melt the tires on a vehicle, you're looking
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  Speaker 1: at about eleven hundred degrees temperature. So that begs the
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  Speaker 1: question from a forensics perspective, what was the goal here?
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  Speaker 1: Was it to destroy evidence this sort of thing? And
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  Speaker 1: another thing here is that there's one quick image that
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  Speaker 1: I can see in regards to this. There is what
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  Speaker 1: we would refer to as a tight shot group where
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  Speaker 1: it looks like their bullet deface in the side of
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  Speaker 1: the vehicle and they're very close together, which gives us
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  Speaker 1: an indication that the individuals within that vehicle were in
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  Speaker 1: a kill zone that was very very close to the
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  Speaker 1: muzzle of that weapon. Somebody had very tight control over
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  Speaker 1: the weapon that they were utilizing. It looks like the
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  Speaker 1: rounds have actually passed from outside to inside of the vehicle,
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  Speaker 1: and so they were specifically targeting people in that car.
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  Speaker 1: This is a horrific scene and this is what they're
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  Speaker 1: kind of hampered by, Nancy. This is a very very
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  Speaker 1: isolated area. We heard how far that young man had
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  Speaker 1: to walk. I'm really concerned about how much information they
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  Speaker 1: could actually glean from that scene as it was it
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  Speaker 1: locked down. Did they do the appropriate methodologies in order
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  Speaker 1: to secure the scene and also collect the evidence is
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  Speaker 1: out there, And one of the things I'm thinking about
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  Speaker 1: right now are shell casings, because I don't I don't
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  Speaker 1: think this is just one person that was involved in this.
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  Speaker 1: They're probably multiple shooters. It looks like they ambushed this
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  Speaker 1: vehicle and just absolutely slaughtered this van straight out to
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  Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crown's Medical examin Or, Travis County, Texas, Austin,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Vun Crowns. What can we learn from the bodies themselves,
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  Speaker 1: depending on how charred they are, meaning the blackening of
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  Speaker 1: the skin from the burning, you can still you can
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  Speaker 1: still wipe that away and get down to the layer
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  Speaker 1: and find the injuries from the gunshot wounds. So not
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  Speaker 1: only can you tell if you can find the gunshot wounds,
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  Speaker 1: but you can also on the internal examination, figure out
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  Speaker 1: if they were still alive when the fire was going.
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  Speaker 1: By examining the mucosa layer of the windpiper trachea, you
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  Speaker 1: can find soot and things of that nature, which shows
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  Speaker 1: if the individual is still breathing, So you can tell
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  Speaker 1: that they've been shot and then also tell if they
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  Speaker 1: were still alive on the fires. Okay, wait, wait, wait wait,
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  Speaker 1: white doctor Kendall Crowns, you just went into warp ten.
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  Speaker 1: What did you just say? Could you explain that in
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  Speaker 1: regular people talk? I sure, can I apologize? So don't
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  Speaker 1: you do break it down when you get on the stand,
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  Speaker 1: don't you? Oh yeah, all the time? Okay, good, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine me as a jurar that knows absolutely nothing about
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  Speaker 1: ballistics or dead bodies help me, no problem, So, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: what you can find from an individual who's been burned
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  Speaker 1: in the fire is there'll be changes of the skin
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  Speaker 1: where the skin becomes blackened and hard, which we call charring.
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  Speaker 1: The charring itself is kind of on the outer layer
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  Speaker 1: of the skin, so you can kind of push that
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  Speaker 1: away and still find the injuries that may be underlying
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  Speaker 1: the charring. So you will still be able to find
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  Speaker 1: the bullet holes. They may shrink from the fire, but
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  Speaker 1: they still will be there, and then you'll be able
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  Speaker 1: to find the injuries internally from the wound pass created
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  Speaker 1: by the bullets. You can also determine if the individual
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  Speaker 1: was still alive when the fire started by examining their airway,
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  Speaker 1: their mouth, the trachea, which is the windpipe in the bronchi,
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  Speaker 1: which are the part to the windpipe to get aired
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  Speaker 1: to your lungs. And what you'll find along that is
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  Speaker 1: a soot or kind of a black powder along the
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  Speaker 1: surface of that which shows the individual was still breathing
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  Speaker 1: at the time the fire started. Wow. Doctor Kendall von
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  Speaker 1: Crowns on Medical Examiner, Travis County, Texas. I almost wish
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  Speaker 1: I hadn't asked, but I'd rather know the entire truth
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  Speaker 1: than not know. To doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis, psychologist, adjunct professor,
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  Speaker 1: Columbia University, Doctor Debbie, if I may call you, that
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  Speaker 1: the border killings, the massacre eight children, some of them
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  Speaker 1: just infants. Some survived the ambush and they escaped the
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  Speaker 1: jug cartel gunmen who killed their mothers and hid in
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  Speaker 1: the bushes, then walking nearly fourteen miles for help, these
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  Speaker 1: little children. This you know, My dad passed away three
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  Speaker 1: years ago, and this past Sunday I was sitting in
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  Speaker 1: church and just broke down crying just the thought of him.
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  Speaker 1: What is this going to do to those children for
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  Speaker 1: the rest of their lives, Nancy, I feel a lot
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  Speaker 1: of optimism that they will do well if they continue
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  Speaker 1: to receive support. I have the impression they have large,
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  Speaker 1: loving families, and if the people closest to them and
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  Speaker 1: those of us in the general public focus on their
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  Speaker 1: miraculous resilience, on their heroism, then they will, perhaps more
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  Speaker 1: effectively than many of us adults be able to accept
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  Speaker 1: that in life there are evil things that happen that
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't have to destroy survivors, that they can be
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  Speaker 1: and I'm sure you've used this expression in the past.
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  Speaker 1: They can thrive, not only survive. I'm not saying it's
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  Speaker 1: an easy journey, but I'm very optimistic judge, just going
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  Speaker 1: by the actions in the face of such evil crisis
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  Speaker 1: of what the thirteen year old boy and other members did,
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  Speaker 1: so I have great hope that not only can they
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  Speaker 1: have meaningful lives, but through their stories, they can inspire others.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, Doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis with US Psychologists,
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  Speaker 1: Adjunct Professor, Columbia University. I'm glad you said that, and
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  Speaker 1: I pray, I literally pray that that is true. Listen
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  Speaker 1: now to our friends at Fox thirteen, Utah. The woman
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  Speaker 1: we spoke to tonight asked us to conceal her identity
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  Speaker 1: for fear of more retaliation. When the brother in law
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  Speaker 1: went to pick up the broken down vehicle, he was
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  Speaker 1: changing the tire and he saw smoke coming from just
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  Speaker 1: right over the hill. One of them broke down, got
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  Speaker 1: a flat tire. They came back home and swapped vehicles.
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  Speaker 1: Be believe that flat tire put them in two other
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  Speaker 1: cars in the crossfire of a turf war between Mexican
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  Speaker 1: drug cartels. That was a war between the Chihuaua cartel
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  Speaker 1: and the Sonora Hotel, and that these women just happened
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  Speaker 1: to be caught in the middle. Several other children escaped
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  Speaker 1: and hidden bushes. To ask for help from the Mexican
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  Speaker 1: government is like asking for help from the mafia to
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  Speaker 1: fight the mafia crime. Stories with Nancy grace brightened cries
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  Speaker 1: of a baby and young children as their dad tries
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  Speaker 1: to comfort them. These are the survivors of unimaginable horror.
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  Speaker 1: All were hit by gunfire and tonight being treated in
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  Speaker 1: a Tucson hospital. Three moms and six children died in
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  Speaker 1: the ambush, including these eight month old twins Tiana and Titus.
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  Speaker 1: After his mom and two brothers were shot to death,
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  Speaker 1: thirteen year old Devin Langford was able to hide six
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  Speaker 1: other siblings in nearby bushes, covering them with branches. He
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  Speaker 1: then walked fourteen miles for help. His nine year old sister, Mackenzie,
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  Speaker 1: grazed in the arm, also went for help, walking four
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  Speaker 1: hours in the dark, finally finding rescuers. Airlifted from Mexico
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  Speaker 1: to Arizona, where eight year old Cody shot in the
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  Speaker 1: jaw and leg, fourteen year old Kylie shot in the foot,
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  Speaker 1: four year old Xander shot in the back, and Brixton,
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  Speaker 1: just nine months old, shot in the chest. The tiniest miracle,
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  Speaker 1: seven month old Faith Langford. It's believed her mom, Christina,
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  Speaker 1: hid her baby's car seat just before she was gunned down.
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  Speaker 1: Faith was found eleven hours after the massacre. For relatives,
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  Speaker 1: it was just an attack on There is nothing but
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  Speaker 1: shocked and heartbreak. I think a lot of us are
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  Speaker 1: just speechless. It's horrific to see. It's like a bad dream,
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  Speaker 1: a bad dream they can't wake up from. You're hearing
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  Speaker 1: our friend Janet Shamleon at CBS, welcome back. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: see grace, this is crime stories. What we learned now
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  Speaker 1: is that these moms were driving in separate vehicles with
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: their children from Lama. It was all about a wedding
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  Speaker 1: that they were attending. Ranita Miller four of her children,
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  Speaker 1: including her six month old twins Titus and Tianna, her
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  Speaker 1: ten year old little girl Crystal, her twelve year old
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  Speaker 1: son Howard. That's four children and the mom murdered another.
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  Speaker 1: Two mothers, Donna Langford and Christina Langford Johnson and Donna's sons,
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  Speaker 1: just eleven and three, also murdered Donna's son, Devin is
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  Speaker 1: the one that walked fourteen miles to get help. He
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: covered up his little brothers and sisters with branches and
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  Speaker 1: leaves before trying to figure out where the shots were
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  Speaker 1: coming from so he could avoid being murdered himself as
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  Speaker 1: he tried to get help. Now we know his relatives
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  Speaker 1: say he reached them. Now we are learning. Six hours later,
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  Speaker 1: the family called authorities before arming themselves to go out
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  Speaker 1: looking to trying to save the other children. Christina managed
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  Speaker 1: to save for seven month old baby Faith by putting
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  Speaker 1: the infant on the floor. Wild bullets tore through the vehicle,
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  Speaker 1: and this mother, even in the face of a hell
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  Speaker 1: of bullets, got out of the car to hold her
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  Speaker 1: arms up in the air to protect her family. There
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  Speaker 1: is a video now posted showing the charred and smoking
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  Speaker 1: remains of the family's cars, riddled with bullet holes. They
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: were headed to Phoenix along with their children to pick
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  Speaker 1: up Ranita was her husband at the airport after a
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  Speaker 1: work trip, the car breaking down after they blew out
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  Speaker 1: a tire. I'm just overwhelmed at the pain these families
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  Speaker 1: are suffering. Back to James Galliano, former FBI Supervisory Special Agent, FBI,
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  Speaker 1: a tache to Mexico for several years, he is an
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  Speaker 1: international crimes expert. James, I'm still in the dark. I
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: still don't have an answer about how we America can
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: apprehend the killers of these nine family members. Well, Nancy,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: we won't to answer your questions succinctly if we don't
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  Speaker 1: get assisted. Well, that's not the answer I was hoping, James,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: and give me a light. At the end of the time,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I leavened that with a bit of pith, and I
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: didn't mean that. What I'm suggesting is the Mexican government
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  Speaker 1: right now. You know, we've struggled with them for I
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: mean for centuries, I mean sense sense since the war
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: in eighteen forty six, and we have a leve hate
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: relationship with him. And I think it's the toughest thing
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: that I had to endure while working there, very closely
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  Speaker 1: with Mexican law enforcement and the Mexican military, because in
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: their country, you're you're more successful in working operations with
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: the military where there's there's more of a trust level
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: and there's less and I don't want to say no,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: but there's less corruption because you know Mexico. In Mexico,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: the saying goes like this, assume corruption unless proven otherwise.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: So I say that tongue in cheek. But the bottom
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  Speaker 1: line is the Mexican government has got to ask for
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  Speaker 1: our help, has got to allow our help. It's a
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: sovereign nation. That was the trickiest part of my job
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: was massaging things, getting the Mexican government to be on
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: board to track down a top ten fugitive or a
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: parent who had taken their child and and kidnapped them,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: essentially a custodial parent and brought them to Mexico. To
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: get cooperation, it's difficult to compel it. You have to
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: massage it. But I'm disheartened to what I hear through
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: my channels. The Mexican government and the US government are
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: working this investigation independently, and for the US that means
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: they're going to be roadblocks literally and figuratively at every
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: step of the investigation going forward. Well, speaking of what's
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: being done, listen to this. Mexican National police and military
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  Speaker 1: forces dispatched to the area overnight searching for the gunmen.
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  Speaker 1: It comes amid a string of violent episodes in the country.
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  Speaker 1: Fourteen police officers were killed October fourteenth in an ambush
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: stemming from violent clashes. Days later, cartel gunmen set off
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: a series of vicious attacks after police captured Al Chapo's son.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: The government forced to release the notorious drug lord's son
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  Speaker 1: just hours after capturing him. A spokesman for the US
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  Speaker 1: State Department telling NBC News they are aware of the
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  Speaker 1: reports of this most recent attack, but so far had
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: no further comment. The US ambassador to Mexico tweeting, the
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: safety of our fellow citizens is our top priority. I'm
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: very closely following the situation between Sonora and Chihuahua, closely
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: following it. You were hearing our friend Sam brought at
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: NBC closely following it. Well, what is that supposed to
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: bean James Galiano. Yeah, that's that's the delicate dance that
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: we have to do there, and Nancy I saw it
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: up close and personal for two years. It is. It
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: is very tough. The Mexicans move at the speed that
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: they choose to move, and I'm not suggesting in any
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: way that they're not actively interested in trying to solve
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: this case. The problem, one of the many problems here
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: is this is fraught with the fact that there are
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: areas of Mexico, the Sonora region, the Chihuahua region, Michua, Khan, Sinaloa.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: There are areas in Mexico where even the Mexican military
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: is loath to go, and we've seen evidence of that
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: of recent where the cartels essentially own those places. They
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: run them like a narco state, and that makes it
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: very very difficult. The police there get paid a pittance.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: There's very limited middle class in Mexico, so if you've
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: become a police officer, it means that you're usually in
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: the lower or the poorer class, so you are much
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: more subsets to bribes and you're certainly not going to
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: want to die when you're making seventeen cents a day
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: to serve as a police officer there. That's just one
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: of the many issues I think that we're going to
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: be running up against is getting cooperation and then getting
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: cooperation that is worth a twot, because a lot of
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the cooperation you get over there's just kind of platitudes
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll get back to you, Sure
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: we'll run that report, Sure we'll send an investigator up
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: to interview, and then it never happens. Because of what
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: I talked about the corruption and the fear of the
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: narco traffickers in Mexico. How much money do we pump
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: into Mexico every year, James, We believe it or not,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: we probably are half of their economy. When I say
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: half of their economy, meaning folks that are here in
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: our country in the United States to send money home.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: They come here to work on a visa where they
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: live here, and they get jobs in whatever industry, and
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: they end up sending a huge chunk of their income home,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: as well as the tourism industry. So when I say
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: that the United States is probably directly responsible for somewhere
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: close to one half their economy, because certainly they have
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: they have petrol and fuel, and they have other exports
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: and things that are a big part of their economy.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: But I'm telling you the United States is a huge
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: part of it. And back during the eighties when Kiki Camerina,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: that the EA agent who was captured by narco traffickers
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: and tortured and killed, the leverage of the United States
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: put was we are going to shut down the tourism industry.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: And if the United States shuts that down, meaning restricts
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: American citizens from traveling to Mexico that will get the
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Mexican government's attention really quickly. Crime stories with anti Drace
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: tris close is the aunt of victim, Donna Ray Langford.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: All we could do is immediately start thinking positive and
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: praying at the same time that we are all devastated
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: and very emotional and did something that you can't explain.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: How there's evil people in this world that keep such
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: a thing like that. Some relatives say they believe the
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: women and children were not the intended targets of the
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: cartels and that this was a case of mistaken identity.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: One family member we spoke to says the children who
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: survived are in the process of being brought to the
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: United States for medical treatment. This morning, the US ambassador
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: in Mexico says they are following the situation very closely.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Following the situation following it is that all they're doing.
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  Speaker 1: You're hearing from our friend as CBS, that was Jericha Duncan.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: What is the very latest with the investigation. There has
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: been a development, Nancy. In a stunning turn of events,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Mexican officials have said the man that they captured along
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: the US Mexico border earlier in the week and thought
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: he was a suspect in the ambush that killed nine
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Americans is no longer suspected in that crime. Alfonso Durazzo
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: is a public security official. He said that preliminary information
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: indicates that the suspect they've detained is not linked to
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: the attack now. Earlier in the week, criminal investigators in
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Mexico said the suspect who was by the way found
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: with multiple assault weapons on him and two hostages in
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: his captivity. They said he may have participated in that
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: brutal highway ambush that killed three women six children. That
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: was including the two infants. Now they're saying this recent
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: development shows that he was not involved in that attack
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: at all and takes the investigation back to square one.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Take a list of our friends at ABC fifteen Arizona.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: This is a whole new level of cartel violence from
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Utah to Kansas City. It's got to be changes, and
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: right here in the valleys taken a lot of medicine lives.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: This family, with relatives scattered across the US, is still
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: asking why. It's just terrific if someone could do that
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: to women and children. Another issue that has arisen is
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: attacks on the family and their relatives themselves in the media.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: The banner right now is that Mexican authorities have made
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: one arrest. They say they quote may be they believe
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: may be connected to the ambush killings of nine Americans
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: women and children in northern Mexico. The authorities there in
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Sonora say that one person, a heavily armed man close
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: to where the attacks took place, may possibly have participated,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: and the evidences quote being analyzed seriously, they can't figure
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: out who did it. Straight out to doctor Debbie Joffe,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Ella psychologist and adjunct professor, Columbia University, you know a
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: lot is being made in the press that these women
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: and children were Mormons. Why are seemingly maligning them like
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: that's a bad thing? I don't like it? Yeah, well, yeah, well,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I suppose it's idea that some producers might have of
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: attracting more listeners, but it certainly divides rather than give
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: us an opportunity to focus more strongly on the situation
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: at hand there, regardless of the belief system of the
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: people involved, and to develop empathy, Nancy, I want to
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: say something about catastrophizing in this situation, and believe me
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: when I do this, it's not to minimize the tragedy,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: but in terms of focusing on that they were Mormons,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: or saying how will the kids ever survive? I think
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: that does listen as a disservice. The fact of the
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: matter is if you look back through history during times
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: of war and other tragedies, and you focus on the
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: children and how they developed through into adulthood, the fact
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: is some didn't develop well, particularly those who may have
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: had genetic predispositions to depression or anxiety or other maladies,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: and also those who didn't have support. However, there's an
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: overwhelming number of stories, true life stories of children who
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: grew into adults who not only survived and thrived, but
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: inspired and helped other people. My late parents survived concentration camps,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: and a lot of their friends did succumb to what
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: was then called nervous breakdowns. But my parents and scores
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: of their friends were cheerful people, jolly people like you.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: They cried at the thought of their lust loved ones
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: years later, but they still also had meaningful and happy lives.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: So how will the survivors go? Time will tell, But
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: as I said earlier, I have optimism that many, if
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: not all, of them can do really well throughout their lives. Yeah,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: that's interesting, and I'm not disagreeing with you, doctor Derby,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: with me, Doctor Debby jaffe Els, Adjut Professor, Columbia University.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I am a crime victim. I'm a tangential victim of murder,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: gun violence. And I think when we are on the
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: outside looking at violent crime survivors and we see them laughing, Oh, well,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: they're jolly, they're happy, they they're doing, it's not like
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: that at all with me. I will myself. I choose
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: to be happy, and I make that come true as
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: best as I can. But there is not one day
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: that passes that that one act of violent crime does
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: not affect me, my husband, my children, my world, the
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: way I see the world because of that one moment
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: in time, it has forever changed me. Now I'm looking
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: at it through a different prison than you, because I
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: work with violent crime victims every day, so I see
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: a different aspect of them. To Joseph Scott more and
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: forensics expert, you're a death investigator, how have you perceived
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: that the families and loved ones of murder victims? I mean,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: they do go what they live, they get jobs, they
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: go to school, but they're forever affective. They are Nancy,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: and it's not something that well, I hate to use
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: terms so clich like bounce back from or uh, you know,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: get closure, because in my estimation, those those things don't
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: truly actually exist. They're just you know, uh nebulous fairy
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: dust that's out there. There's not I I don't have
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of hope for solving this case and to
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: get true answers. In Mexico alone, there are thirty thousand
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: unclaimed and unidentified bodies throughout that country relative and that's
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: their medical legal system. I don't have a lot of
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: hope that we're ever going to find out what truly happened.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: We wait as just Us unfalls. Nancy Grace Crime Stories,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: signing off goodbye, Fred H.