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Credlin | 17 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendler live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Here's what's coming out tonight.
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Speaker 2: On Cridlin, Anthony Albaneze is snubbed as Donald Trump quits
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Speaker 2: the G seven sumven in Canada early The Middle East
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Speaker 2: on high alert is run at Israel continue to trade fire.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's social post prompting speculation in the US might
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Speaker 2: be set to play a bigger role. So could we
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Speaker 2: see direct involvement and what would that mean for an
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Speaker 2: all out war class The federal intervention into the Striford
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Speaker 2: New South Wales Liberals has been extended, but it's been
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Speaker 2: done in a way to appease the factions rather than
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Speaker 2: bring them to heal. That's certainly the allegation and that
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Speaker 2: meeting that's taken seven months for Alberan. Easy to get
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Speaker 2: jumped with just one social media post. Now late's trying
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Speaker 2: to spin it. There's nothing much to see here, but
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Speaker 2: there's a lot to see and it expects volumes for
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Speaker 2: the relationship between the two men, with grave implications for Australia.
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Speaker 3: Completely understandable that the US President would be returning to Washington,
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Speaker 3: d C.
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Speaker 4: To deal with that.
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Speaker 5: It should not be left for Australia to just seek
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Speaker 5: meetings as important as this on the sidelines of an
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Speaker 5: international summit.
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Speaker 2: We'll stay with that issue because it is a major
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Speaker 2: embarrassment for the Prime minister. He's much hyped meeting with
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump abandoned today as the President left the g
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Speaker 2: Summit meeting early due to developments, he says, in the
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Speaker 2: Israel Iran war, and as if that couldn't get worse,
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Speaker 2: the fact that he only heard about the cancelation via
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Speaker 2: the president's social.
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Speaker 6: Media feed was telling.
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Speaker 2: Obviously, having a face to face meeting with the Australian
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Speaker 2: Prime minister was not a high enough priority for this president,
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Speaker 2: and that's likely because ever since Trump was re elected
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Speaker 2: last November, Almineasy has not made repairing that relationship a
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Speaker 2: high enough priority at his end, as he should have done,
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Speaker 2: given it was our Prime minister and his US ambassador
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Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd who tried to big note themselves with the
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Speaker 2: left by scoring points when Trump was on the outer.
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Speaker 7: We have an alliance with the US.
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Speaker 3: We're going to deal with him, but that doesn't mean
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Speaker 3: that you're uncritical about it.
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Speaker 1: He scares it out of me.
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Speaker 8: For all the American predisposition for episodic craziness.
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Speaker 6: Look at Trump, how did that happen?
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Speaker 9: The United States in the last four years has been
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Speaker 9: run by a village idiot.
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Speaker 6: If nothing else.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's a bloke with a long memory, and yet
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Speaker 2: in the seven months since he was elected, our Prime
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Speaker 2: minister has done almost nothing to walk those comments back. Indeed,
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Speaker 2: he could find the time to visit the Pope in Rome,
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Speaker 2: but not our most important ally, at a time when
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Speaker 2: the global insecurity has hardly been worse. In the end,
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Speaker 2: that sort of gratuitous stone uff always comes back to
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Speaker 2: bite you, and today it did, as Albanezi looks like
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Speaker 2: the bloke that's been left at the altar, who not
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Speaker 2: only couldn't get an invitation to the White House, it
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Speaker 2: couldn't even get and keep a sidebar chat in Canada
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Speaker 2: around the margins of an event that Trump couldn't avoid
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Speaker 2: being at anyway. As is their usual play, the alban
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Speaker 2: Eze Press office tried to spin this away with a
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Speaker 2: statement that it's all very understandable that the President was
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Speaker 2: called away and so two those same lines were repeated
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Speaker 2: by the Treasurer here at home.
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Speaker 9: This was always a chance of happening, given what's happening
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Speaker 9: around the world and particularly in the Middle East. Prime
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Speaker 9: Minister Albanze has had three conversations with President Trump in
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Speaker 9: recent months, will continue to engage in the usual way.
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Speaker 9: But I don't think it's especially surprising. I do think
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Speaker 9: it's understandable given events that are unfolding a really dangerous part.
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Speaker 6: Of the world.
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Speaker 2: Understandable, well, it's clearly in the script, but understandable. It
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Speaker 2: is not diplomatically. What's happened is a shocker, and that
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Speaker 2: fact was quickly picked up by former ambassador now Liberal
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Speaker 2: MP Dave Sharma. Now rightly, he says this is of
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Speaker 2: the government's head and the whole relationship, not just his
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Speaker 2: council meeting, is now in a state of flux. Some
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Speaker 2: of the media today tried to blame it all in
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Speaker 2: the fact that the actual G seven meeting, the one
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Speaker 2: involving Trump, was an hour and a half away from
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Speaker 2: where the Australians and others were at the meeting. Yes,
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Speaker 2: Australia technically invited to the G seven, but not being
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Speaker 2: part of the actual Group of seven nations, or they
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Speaker 2: were meeting elsewhere today, they weren't joining the top table
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Speaker 2: until tomorrow. Now that line is rubbish. These split meetings
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Speaker 2: and not unusual. Actually they're part of the course. It
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Speaker 2: was how weeded it to here in Australia when we
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Speaker 2: hosted the G twenty in Brisbane a few years back.
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Speaker 2: And it's not as if the alban Ezy offers didn't
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Speaker 2: know that this was the setup, given he would have
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Speaker 2: sent his AFP security team and his PMO advances over
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Speaker 2: to Canada in the last couple of weeks to scout
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Speaker 2: all of this out. So please spare me the spin
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Speaker 2: as labor tries to spin its way out of this
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Speaker 2: unedifying snub. It is a snub. It is absolutely a snub.
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Speaker 2: This is not a scheduling issue. And yes we know
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Speaker 2: the pretext behind Trump's early departure was quote events in
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Speaker 2: the Middle East. But you just don't junk a first
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Speaker 2: time meeting with an important ally.
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Speaker 6: You shift it.
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Speaker 2: You don't junk it, unless, of course, you want to
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Speaker 2: send a very stern message, which clearly the US President
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Speaker 2: wanted to do, but while wiping a bit of egg
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Speaker 2: off his face. I think the Prime Minister actually had
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Speaker 2: a lucky escape here because it could hardly have got
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Speaker 2: through a formal meeting without having to justify the unjustifiable,
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Speaker 2: namely his government culpable neglect of our military preparedness at
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Speaker 2: a time of unprecedented danger. With Alman Easy, he said
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Speaker 2: to attend the UN meeting in September.
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Speaker 6: It'll be in New York. We will see if he
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Speaker 6: uses the breathing.
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Speaker 2: Space between now and then to tell a better story
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Speaker 2: on defense and how Australia can be an asset rather
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Speaker 2: than a drag on our mutual security partnership. Now, if
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Speaker 2: he does that, he might actually get his Trump meeting.
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Speaker 2: But if he doesn't, we really are out in the cold,
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Speaker 2: and this is not the time we would want that,
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Speaker 2: given China to our north and the parless state of
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Speaker 2: our military team. Look, speaking of taking things seriously, how
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Speaker 2: seriously is the Liberal Party taking the urgent task of
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Speaker 2: reform and policy revitalization following its disastrous defeat at the
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Speaker 2: recent federal election. Now you know what I think of
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Speaker 2: the Victorian Liberal division, which may well turn itself into
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Speaker 2: some kind of bank for losers on Thursday by lending
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Speaker 2: millions to former leader John Pizuto, who seems unable to
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Speaker 2: pay the legal bills he has been ordered to pay
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Speaker 2: by their federal court. But today it's a New South
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Speaker 2: Wales Party's turn to showcases factionalism and its dysfunction. This
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Speaker 2: morning the Liberal Party federal executive met and they agreed
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Speaker 2: to extend its intervention into the New South Wales division.
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Speaker 2: Prompted you might recall by the party's failure to get
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Speaker 2: local government nominations in on time, but it effectively sacked
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Speaker 2: the team leading the intervention, the trio of former Federal
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Speaker 2: Party presidents Alan Stockdale and Richard Alston class former New
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Speaker 2: South Wales Liberal front bench of Peter Seaton. Well they've
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Speaker 2: all drafted a new constitution, but actually getting it ratified
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Speaker 2: now will be left to a new and much larger
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Speaker 2: intervention committee chaired by former New South Wales Premier Nick Griner.
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Speaker 2: And in the past few years, some five thousand people
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Speaker 2: have failed to renew the Liberal Party membership in New
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Speaker 2: South Wales. So five thousand left and five hundred have
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Speaker 2: been either expelled or not allowed to join the New
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Speaker 2: South Wales Liberals.
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Speaker 6: And it's almost a.
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Speaker 2: Decade since a single New Liberal Party branch has been
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Speaker 2: formed in our country's biggest state.
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Speaker 10: It's just appalling, and it's because the factions collude. Factions
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Speaker 10: are okay you're always going to have left and right, progressive,
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Speaker 10: moderate conservative whatever as how it said broad Church. But
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Speaker 10: when they get together and exclude people, you know, mother
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Speaker 10: Teresa turns up says she's available, I'd say, sorry, you're
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Speaker 10: not in the right faction.
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Speaker 2: Any wonder they wanted Richard Austin to go. And this
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Speaker 2: is all because the New South Wales Party has become
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Speaker 2: a faction rented insiders club. Now, what the draft constitution
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Speaker 2: does to get the party out of the hands of
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Speaker 2: factional warlords and back into the hands of its rank
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Speaker 2: and file members is to end the ability of branches
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Speaker 2: to veto new members, end the ability of conferences to
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Speaker 2: veto new branches, and open up the State Council to
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Speaker 2: all members, enabling every one of them to speak and vote,
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Speaker 2: rather than just the existing delegates who mostly owe their
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Speaker 2: allegiance to factions. Now, I think Susan Lee understands that
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Speaker 2: this reform must happen if she's to have any chance
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Speaker 2: of winning.
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Speaker 6: The next election. The question is this, does the new
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Speaker 6: committee get it? Give it?
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Speaker 2: It's mostly comprised of people who opposed the original intervention.
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Speaker 6: Because unless there's reform.
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Speaker 2: The Liberals will remain in the wilderness for a whole
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Speaker 2: lot longer than is necessary. So for their political sake
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Speaker 2: as a movement and our countries, this intervention has got
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Speaker 2: a work.
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Speaker 1: All right.
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Speaker 2: Let's got a camb now for the headlines, skyn is
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Speaker 2: clitical reporter cam Reddin.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister's planned meeting with the US presidents is off.
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Speaker 6: Why are you leaving ATCHIEVE seven early for watching here?
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Speaker 6: Would I have to be back? Very important?
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Speaker 3: Doubt Donald Trump leaving the G seven early due to
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Speaker 3: escalating conflict in the Middle East.
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Speaker 9: And this was always a chance of happening.
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Speaker 3: It was to be the pair's first face to face
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Speaker 3: meeting following three phone calls since November.
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Speaker 10: We've got a few things to talk about.
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Speaker 3: Anthony Albaneze had been hoping to raise America's tariffs and
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Speaker 3: make the case to stick with ORCUS. British Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: Keir Starmer did manage some FaceTime before the President jetted off.
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Speaker 7: Yep, we're proceeding with that. It's a really important deal
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Speaker 7: to both of this.
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Speaker 9: I think the person that was doing a review, we
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Speaker 9: did a review when we came into government, so that
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Speaker 9: makes good.
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Speaker 6: Sense to me.
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Speaker 5: It's just not appropriate that we can only rely on
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Speaker 5: a meeting on the sidelines of an international summit.
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Speaker 3: Back Home, Treasurer Jim Chalmers says he'll prioritize the national
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Speaker 3: eco economic interest when considering whether to approve a takeover
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Speaker 3: bid for gas giants Santos lodged by the National Oil
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Speaker 3: Company of Aboudhabi.
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Speaker 9: Transactions this big go through a number of stages and
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Speaker 9: I will listen to the advice of the Foreign Investment
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Speaker 9: Review Board, but I won't preempt that advice.
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Speaker 3: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Right, it's been a pretty hectic day, particularly with those
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Speaker 2: developments at the G seven summit. We can confirm now
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Speaker 2: President Trump has left Canada, with his Secretary of State
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Speaker 2: Marco Rubio also leaving the summit shortly afterwards.
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Speaker 6: Let's get across all.
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Speaker 2: Of those international stories too, but some local ones as well.
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Speaker 2: Don't you be down to do that? National Affairs editor
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Speaker 2: the Data Telegraph, of course, Sky News host the wonderful
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Speaker 2: James Morrow, and our political reporter there, Cam Reddin, Well, gents, welcome.
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Speaker 6: James.
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Speaker 2: You've written today that the snub from Trump actually might
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Speaker 2: be a bit of a get out our jail car
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Speaker 2: for the PM. I don't disagree I think I made
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Speaker 2: that point just a minute ago. I mean, Alvineese has
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Speaker 2: clearly got the Trump's skin, and we've seen before that
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Speaker 2: really ends well. But we should have had, and I've
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Speaker 2: said this from the outset, a proper Washington meeting in
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Speaker 2: place here, not something around the sidelines of the G
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Speaker 2: seven and not something that obviously that has been junked
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Speaker 2: as it has. I think the fact that it's junked
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Speaker 2: and not being replaced is telling.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, absolutely, I mean the fact is that this
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Speaker 1: meeting was a very small meeting to start, where there
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Speaker 1: was a stand up, sidebar meeting somewhere on the edges
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Speaker 1: of this summit. So that just already shows with how
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Speaker 1: little you know on the radar Australia is for Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump at the moment. But you know it didn't have
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Speaker 1: to be that way. You know, it did not have
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Speaker 1: to be that way. Donald Trump, as you know, loves
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Speaker 1: to receive foreign visitors. From the moment he was elected.
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Speaker 1: People were flying to Washington or inviting him to come
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Speaker 1: and see them and doing things with him. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's called diplomacy. Kevin right, of course, should have been
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Speaker 1: more on this, get that meeting, Hey, come on up
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Speaker 1: to Washington, do the ovalovs thing, the press conference. You know,
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Speaker 1: Alba could have given Trump a rabbit o Scarf, could
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Speaker 1: have done all sorts of things. But you know, instead
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Speaker 1: we get this albaneasy that I don't think, really, and
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Speaker 1: I write this in Tomorrow's Daily Telegraph, I don't think
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Speaker 1: he gets foreign policy and I don't think he gets
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Speaker 1: what's going on. You know, there's this Titanic struggle between
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Speaker 1: countries like Iran and Russia and China and countries on
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Speaker 1: the other side, like you know, the United States and Australia,
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Speaker 1: who we are supposed to be closely allied with. And
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Speaker 1: I don't think he gets that because he's constantly both
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Speaker 1: sidesing this issue. Oh we need restraint, Oh we need
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Speaker 1: to calm down, both sides need to step back a moment,
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Speaker 1: you know. But that's not going to cut it now.
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Speaker 1: It's not going to cut it in the world that
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Speaker 1: we're in, Choices have to be made, declarations have to
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Speaker 1: be made. And I think Albaniasi sees this all through
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Speaker 1: the lens of domestic politics, and I think that that
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Speaker 1: means that he just does not have any ground on
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Speaker 1: which to do. What Joe Hockey said which is to
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Speaker 1: go to Daldrup say hey, how can we help you know,
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Speaker 1: let's work this out together. Keir star Wars done it.
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Speaker 1: Why can't alban Eazy?
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Speaker 2: I think the problem here came and you were on
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Speaker 2: the trail in the campaign. I mean Albanisi and Labor
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Speaker 2: more broadly use Donald Trump as a bit of a
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Speaker 2: stalking horse for Peter Dutton. And it's like they don't
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Speaker 2: think we've got a US embassy in Australia that reads
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Speaker 2: the media play and sends back its cables to the
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Speaker 2: White House. I mean the President would have been briefed
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Speaker 2: on the Australian political campaign and how much he figured
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Speaker 2: in it in many days, many.
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Speaker 6: Instances as a figure of scorn.
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Speaker 2: And then of course you've got all the historic references
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Speaker 2: I played them before from the Prime Minister and Kevin
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Speaker 2: Rudd about Donald Trump when he was on the outer Well,
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Speaker 2: now he's not on the outer, his back in the
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Speaker 2: Oval Office. They want to be friends and hey sort
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Speaker 2: of just saying well when it suits me.
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Speaker 6: I think.
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Speaker 3: It's a kick in the guts Peter. There's no doubt
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Speaker 3: about that, and particularly the way that it played out
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Speaker 3: in the space of about twenty minutes where the Prime
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Speaker 3: minister's press conference concluded, where talking up really with a
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Speaker 3: big smile after Keir Starmer was there talking up aucas
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Speaker 3: feeling like he's probably had a bit of a win there.
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Speaker 3: It was going to walk into the meeting with Donald Trump,
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Speaker 3: shake hands, get the big photo, kill off that criticism
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Speaker 3: from the coalition, to say that he couldn't get a meeting,
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Speaker 3: and within about fifteen minutes of that meeting concluded, out
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Speaker 3: goes the tweet. Australia never gets told and suddenly the
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Speaker 3: meeting is off. Now there is a feeling that that
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Speaker 3: is just the way that this Trump organization, this Trump
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Speaker 3: administration operates, that they're not the type to pick up
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Speaker 3: the phone and say, sorry, Prime Minister, we can't make
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Speaker 3: that meeting. That's just the way is the belief that
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Speaker 3: the Trump administration operates. But there's no doubt Peter, that
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Speaker 3: this is a real blow. There was a hope that
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Speaker 3: he'd be able to come back meeting secured criticism, arelaid
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Speaker 3: and at the very least they now have a rapport
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Speaker 3: from that meeting. There's no suggestion now as you outline
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Speaker 3: that it's been rescheduled, there is no suggestion that it
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Speaker 3: will happen at any point in the months ahead. There's
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Speaker 3: been some talk around September and the fact that the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister could be going to the United Nations, maybe
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Speaker 3: deliver an address at the General Assembly in New York,
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Speaker 3: and that that could be the next opportunity. But what's
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Speaker 3: going to happen between now and then, Peter, There's so
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Speaker 3: much that you'd have to feel for the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 3: whether they tried their heart out on this, even so
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Speaker 3: that it did'd have to go down as a missed opportunity.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, But I also think he's played a pretty poorly
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Speaker 2: since the president was elected in November.
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Speaker 6: I think that's the problem.
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Speaker 2: You can make time to go to the Pope, but
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Speaker 2: you can't go all the way to Washington or have
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Speaker 2: another meeting with Donald Trump at another event before then,
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Speaker 2: given the call and the tariffs and all the other issues,
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Speaker 2: not to say also the global insecurity we're facing, and
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Speaker 2: to look like we've snubbed James Morrow those comments that
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Speaker 2: we saw only just recently at the shangrilad dialogue about
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Speaker 2: Australia pulling our weight in defense funding terms.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean you know you saw Richard Morrils
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Speaker 1: yesterday at the defending Australia summer Peter trying to justify
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Speaker 1: our anemic defense spend and say, well, we need to
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Speaker 1: spend it on first. But you know, that's the sort
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Speaker 1: of thing that's just not going to cut it. And
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Speaker 1: there's a million other issues too that the Trump administration
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Speaker 1: could also have with Australia right now. That includes the
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Speaker 1: recent cancelation of those Israeli visas you know from those
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Speaker 1: cabinet ministers. It's the whole free speech situation, and it's
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Speaker 1: this whole thing that Anthony Albanizi does. He did into
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Speaker 1: the press club the other day when he talks about
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Speaker 1: you know, we're not importing these conflicts from overseas and
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Speaker 1: with an eye towards America, saying, you know, America is
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Speaker 1: the problem, when he won't seem to say that China
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Speaker 1: is the problem. And I think, you know, Anthony Albania
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Speaker 1: talks about austrain values, but I think we need a
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Speaker 1: bit more of a sense of what's those values and
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Speaker 1: whose values.
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Speaker 6: Are and aren't.
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Speaker 2: Let's got some domestic issues, can We saw yesterday another
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Speaker 2: incident involving one of the freed criminal detainees is where
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Speaker 2: are the men predumbpantly men out of the nz YQ
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Speaker 2: cohort a sixty two year old Australian man, though he
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Speaker 2: is left fighting for his life. There are grave fears
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Speaker 2: for his survival after an alleged assault in the Melbourne
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Speaker 2: submit of Footscray. The Coalition has rightly jumped on this
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Speaker 2: issue today Andrew Hasty, who is of course the new
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Speaker 2: Shadow Minister for Home Affairs, accusing Tony Burke overseeing another
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Speaker 2: massive community safety failure. Now a lot of these these
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Speaker 2: detainees are not being monitored as we were promised. They're
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Speaker 2: not wearing ankle bracelets and not being closely watched.
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Speaker 6: In this case, I.
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Speaker 2: Understand he was, but that just meant after the stabbing
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Speaker 2: they knew where to go to pick him up. They
18:37
Speaker 2: didn't stop the stabbing. And despite having that urgent legislation
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Speaker 2: two years ago, going into Christmas past, we've yet to
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Speaker 2: see one single application lodged by Labor support any of
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Speaker 2: these dangenerous criminals back behind bars.
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Speaker 3: And what we're also seeing play out intend and to
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Speaker 3: that Peter, is the first real legal test of the
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Speaker 3: government's solution to many of this or these issues as
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Speaker 3: they crop up, which is the ability to send people
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Speaker 3: to Nahuru when they are able to strip that visa
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Speaker 3: from them. That's currently being challenged in the High Court
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Speaker 3: at the moment. It had a hearing yesterday. We don't
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Speaker 3: know when that's going to come to a resolution. But
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Speaker 3: the government's answer to all of this, remember, was that
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Speaker 3: we would pay Naharu to take people in circumstances like
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Speaker 3: that where we do not want them here and we're
19:25
Speaker 3: able to show they have no legal case to be here.
19:28
Speaker 3: The outcome of that case, which is playing along right now,
19:31
Speaker 3: if it doesn't go the government's way, could tear up
19:34
Speaker 3: the one solution that they've managed to get through to
19:36
Speaker 3: this point, which again is still trying to play out
19:39
Speaker 3: through the courts and actually be acted on. So we
19:41
Speaker 3: keep be one eye on that. It could still be
19:43
Speaker 3: many months away. But Peter, if that is to be
19:45
Speaker 3: struck a blow, it would be back to the drawing
19:47
Speaker 3: board again on this issue. Now into what I think
19:50
Speaker 3: the second year of going on to try and clean
19:54
Speaker 3: up and find the final response to that endzyukse.
20:00
Speaker 2: Flailing around and not cleaning up much of the moment.
20:02
Speaker 2: Let's go to what's happened in Sydney. That's shocking triple
20:05
Speaker 2: shooting James in a kebab shop in the West. Now,
20:08
Speaker 2: if that wasn't bad enough, you've got an innocent bystander
20:11
Speaker 2: caught up in the violence. I had to read your
20:13
Speaker 2: paper twice this morning where it's reported that the shooting
20:17
Speaker 2: was actually carried out by men who were hired via
20:20
Speaker 2: an air tasker sort of app Now, this is the
20:23
Speaker 2: sort of place you go to if you want someone
20:25
Speaker 2: to pat your fence or you know, do odd jobs
20:28
Speaker 2: around the house, maybe move some furniture around. But I
20:30
Speaker 2: wouldn't have thought to get a contract killing. But Prime
20:34
Speaker 2: editor Mark Murray, he was on Sky this morning saying
20:37
Speaker 2: this is exactly what it is, and it's pretty common.
20:42
Speaker 11: Payment can be anything from drugs, crypto, they'll pay for
20:47
Speaker 11: it sometimes even in cars. You know, it's used in
20:51
Speaker 11: the air tasking principle throughout the whole social media network,
20:56
Speaker 11: and that's been going on for quite some time.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 2: Clearly that I'd say, you know, I want to have
21:02
Speaker 2: a hit on this guy or take this person out,
21:04
Speaker 2: and they use coded language, James, but this staggers me.
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Speaker 6: This staggers me.
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Speaker 1: Oh well, it staggers me too. But you know, I've
21:13
Speaker 1: had conversations today with Mark Moore. He sits very near
21:15
Speaker 1: me in the Daily Telegraph newsroom, I'm pleased to say,
21:18
Speaker 1: and we spoke about this in some depth today. It's
21:21
Speaker 1: not just these air tasker style apps, you know, where
21:24
Speaker 1: you're saying like, oh, well, you know, can you paint
21:27
Speaker 1: my kitchen and also ice my rival gangster over there. No,
21:30
Speaker 1: it's also they've got their own versions of WhatsApp, They've
21:33
Speaker 1: got all these other apps. And the thing that's driving
21:36
Speaker 1: this is a massive, massive amount of money that's coming
21:39
Speaker 1: in through the drug trade, through cocaine trade, through methamphetamine trade,
21:43
Speaker 1: and even the marijuana trade apparently is still quite profitable,
21:46
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of money in that, and there's
21:48
Speaker 1: just sacks and sacks of cash going around more than
21:51
Speaker 1: anybody knows what to do with. The rivalries over this
21:53
Speaker 1: stuff go absolutely berserk over territory and this and that
21:57
Speaker 1: and personal slights, and you wind up with these horrific
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Speaker 1: situations where you know, at a kebob shop in Auburn,
22:03
Speaker 1: it's a suburb of western Sydney, somebody's trying to get
22:06
Speaker 1: their lunch and two guys come in and come in
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Speaker 1: blasting and you know, you've got innocent bystanders out there
22:14
Speaker 1: copying the crossfire here. The Premier urgently needs to do
22:18
Speaker 1: something beyond I think just words. We've heard a lot
22:20
Speaker 1: of words from him, but you know, there's been an
22:22
Speaker 1: awful lot of shootings the intended target here. I think
22:25
Speaker 1: this was the fourth time someone has tried to offer
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Speaker 1: him this year.
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Speaker 2: I tell you what, it's really worrying every night the
22:33
Speaker 2: news in Australia. We've got these shootings in the headlines,
22:37
Speaker 2: and we're supposed to be a country we pride ourselves
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Speaker 2: about having gun control.
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Speaker 6: It doesn't feel like that at the moment I leave
22:44
Speaker 6: there both. Thank you for your time.
22:46
Speaker 2: Well, let's return out of the topic of Donald Trump's
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Speaker 2: abrupt departure from the G seven some, and of course
22:51
Speaker 2: the broader implications in all of these for the Middle
22:54
Speaker 2: East conflict. Joining me now our professor in American politics
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Speaker 2: at the University of Melbourne, Tim Lynch, thank you for
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Speaker 2: your time. Let's start with the president's departure today. What
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Speaker 2: do you think this says in terms of the Australia
23:06
Speaker 2: US relationship given it's a meeting between the leaders that
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Speaker 2: has been junped.
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Speaker 12: Good evening, Peter it's great to be here. Well, I
23:16
Speaker 12: think you could make a plausible case, though I don't
23:19
Speaker 12: think i'd dine a ditch making it that this is
23:22
Speaker 12: indicative of a downgrading of the Australian alliance that's held
23:28
Speaker 12: in the MAGA movement. I think this needs to be
23:32
Speaker 12: seen in terms of Trump's more general disregard for allies.
23:37
Speaker 12: He doesn't see the world in terms of the very
23:40
Speaker 12: strong alliances which has produced a very powerful United States
23:45
Speaker 12: as a unipolar power. He seems ally he sees allies
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Speaker 12: and Australia counts as one of these, as leeches on
23:53
Speaker 12: American prosperity. So I don't think it's a calculated snub
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Speaker 12: of our minister, but he's very much of a consistent
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Speaker 12: with Trump's transactional approach to international affairs.
24:09
Speaker 2: How do you think the history of Albany, He's he
24:12
Speaker 2: given you the glass jaw that Trump often has about
24:15
Speaker 2: his ego, the alban Easy history, the comments in the past,
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Speaker 2: the rebuke that we've had just recently about our defense
24:22
Speaker 2: funding and our response to it, which is basically said, no,
24:24
Speaker 2: we think we're spending enough. The US said no, you're not.
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Speaker 2: We're not looking to move it. How do you think
24:29
Speaker 2: all of that's played into it? Though, Because you know
24:32
Speaker 2: I've been there before. When these meetings have been moved,
24:35
Speaker 2: you go out if you weigh diplomatically to put a
24:37
Speaker 2: new date in the diary and allow someone to save face.
24:40
Speaker 2: In this case, you've got the date junket, but no
24:44
Speaker 2: new date given.
24:47
Speaker 12: We don't know what he thinks about Albansy, if he
24:50
Speaker 12: thinks about alban Easy at all. My suspicion is that
24:53
Speaker 12: this is not a guy that occupies much Trump's mental space.
24:58
Speaker 12: That's not to denigrate our Prime minister. It is, I
25:02
Speaker 12: think to suggest Peter that Australia, though we regard the
25:06
Speaker 12: US alliance as absolutely fundamental to our security, is regarded
25:11
Speaker 12: by Trump and the wider mega movement as mostly tangential,
25:15
Speaker 12: if not irrelevant, And we need to see how the
25:19
Speaker 12: personal relationships between these two leaders. We didn't didn't get
25:23
Speaker 12: the opportunity, of course, because the meeting never happened. But
25:26
Speaker 12: I would would suspect, and I'd urged the caution that
25:30
Speaker 12: Trump is very good at talking tough and demonizing opponents
25:34
Speaker 12: and then buddying up to them. I mean, think about
25:37
Speaker 12: his schizophrenia on somebody like Vladimir Putin. Vadimir Putin is
25:40
Speaker 12: the embodiment of all evil, and at the weekend he's
25:43
Speaker 12: wishing him a happy birthday. I just don't think Trump
25:46
Speaker 12: sees the world in highly personal terms, which maybe ironic
25:52
Speaker 12: for some, but certainly not in ideological terms. He's a
25:55
Speaker 12: transactional leader will who will make meetings and do deals
26:01
Speaker 12: to advance transactional material causes, which is why I think
26:05
Speaker 12: we're finding him missing in action when we are confronted
26:09
Speaker 12: with a moral war of the kind that Israel is
26:12
Speaker 12: unleashing on Iran in the current moment.
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Speaker 2: You mentioned bloody be let me play some comments you
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Speaker 2: may because you and I are old enough to remember
26:21
Speaker 2: when the G seven was the G eight.
26:24
Speaker 6: Have listen.
26:26
Speaker 7: G seven used to be the G eight.
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Speaker 13: Barack Obama and a person named Trudeau didn't want to
26:32
Speaker 13: have Russia in. Then I would say that there was
26:35
Speaker 13: a mistake, because I think you wouldn't have a war
26:37
Speaker 13: right now if you had Russia inn, and you wouldn't
26:40
Speaker 13: have a war right now if Trump were president four
26:42
Speaker 13: years ago.
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Speaker 6: All right, T what do you make at those comments?
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Speaker 12: Well, it's consistent with what Trump thinks about the way
26:50
Speaker 12: the world works. That it's all about material acquisition, about
26:54
Speaker 12: doing deals. You means first, but point of acquisition is
26:58
Speaker 12: real estate. And he thinks he can try translate that
27:00
Speaker 12: international diplomacy to read Putin's motives, and that Putin's objectives
27:07
Speaker 12: can be stated by a better deal. A real estate
27:12
Speaker 12: deal is so historically amnesiac, I'd accuse him of being amnesiac,
27:18
Speaker 12: but I don't think he ever knew the history in
27:20
Speaker 12: the first place. He's got a very simple template for
27:23
Speaker 12: international relations which are served really served him really well domestically,
27:28
Speaker 12: as we all know, he's a two term president. It
27:31
Speaker 12: does not translate well to the international stage, where there
27:34
Speaker 12: are and I think he needs to read is Ronald Reagan,
27:37
Speaker 12: if not is Margaret Thatcher. There are good guys and
27:40
Speaker 12: bad guys and Americas. Because of how it's founded and
27:44
Speaker 12: what it's dedicated to the propositions it holds, deer must
27:49
Speaker 12: at some point start to side with the good guys.
27:52
Speaker 12: And Trump he's got, he's got three and a half
27:54
Speaker 12: years to make this reconciliation with what I think is
27:58
Speaker 12: an inescapable part of you history.
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Speaker 2: A quick comment, then, because part of the reason, at
28:05
Speaker 2: least the fig leaf for his departure. He probably got
28:07
Speaker 2: to sick with everyone getting in his ears.
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Speaker 6: The G seven.
28:10
Speaker 2: I don't think he likes all the social niceties that much.
28:12
Speaker 2: But he gets out of town and he says, I've
28:14
Speaker 2: got to get back and focus on the issues in
28:16
Speaker 2: the Middle East. He puts some messages out on his
28:19
Speaker 2: socials over and I'm saying, any people in Tehran need
28:22
Speaker 2: to evacuate immediately. When pushed on this speculation that the
28:26
Speaker 2: US will get involved, it was pretty coy. Have a
28:30
Speaker 2: listen and what would you say, in your opinion, what
28:33
Speaker 2: would it teak for the US to get involved in
28:35
Speaker 2: this conflict militarily.
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Speaker 13: I don't want to talk about that.
28:41
Speaker 6: Now.
28:41
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people have made a deal
28:43
Speaker 2: about these bunker busting bombs, but we saw when Hesbala
28:49
Speaker 2: leadership were taken out by Israel a few months ago
28:51
Speaker 2: that they've certainly got their.
28:52
Speaker 6: Own version of that.
28:54
Speaker 2: Anyway, I listened to some ex moss Ad types on
28:58
Speaker 2: international media in the last couple of days. They seem
29:01
Speaker 2: pretty confident if they need to go subterranean with some
29:04
Speaker 2: of their bombs now they have the capacity in Israel.
29:07
Speaker 2: So why do you think this is headed? Is a
29:10
Speaker 2: likely to be do you think intervention from the United States.
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Speaker 12: Well, Trump is wedded to this idea of American internationalism,
29:18
Speaker 12: which you can read as a form of kind of
29:20
Speaker 12: belligerent passivism. Foreigners can resolve their own issues and die
29:25
Speaker 12: on their own battlefield. We're keeping our armed forces at home.
29:30
Speaker 12: The problem is this starts to conflict with this tough
29:32
Speaker 12: guy image, which I'm not denigrating. He was very decisive
29:36
Speaker 12: in a way that Barack Obama wasn't when it came
29:39
Speaker 12: to Iran killing Cassim Sulimani at the end of his
29:43
Speaker 12: first term. So he's got a track record here that
29:46
Speaker 12: he's also got to try and balance with this maga isolationism.
29:50
Speaker 12: So my hunch is because he's prey to historical determinacy
29:55
Speaker 12: as any other president, you will see a much more
29:59
Speaker 12: calibrated use American hard power to back Israel's to this
30:03
Speaker 12: point remarkable war against Israel. It seems to me an
30:08
Speaker 12: inescapable destiny for any American president to be to have
30:13
Speaker 12: to recognize, and I don't think Trump is capable of
30:17
Speaker 12: resisting that pressure.
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Speaker 2: We will watch it with great interest, and you're right
30:23
Speaker 2: to recognize. I think the precision work of Israel in
30:25
Speaker 2: the last couple of days. We'll over there, Thank you,
30:27
Speaker 2: Professor Tim Lynch. After the break, what next for you?
30:30
Speaker 2: Southwell's Liberals too, with the federal administrators, have been dumbed
30:34
Speaker 2: despite ripe factionalism, still a parent plus John Pizzuto if
30:38
Speaker 2: exists pretty close to getting a deal out of the
30:40
Speaker 2: Libs to pay off his debts, but to but it's
30:43
Speaker 2: not an expense of money. The members have given the
30:46
Speaker 2: party fair amount of warnings today from the grassroots.
30:50
Speaker 6: More than that coming out.
30:55
Speaker 2: Welcobag still become the massive about face from Kia Starmer
31:00
Speaker 2: kicking and screaming to open a national inquiry into grooming
31:03
Speaker 2: gangs as it's finally admitted that fear of being called
31:06
Speaker 2: a racist meant young women will hung out to dry
31:10
Speaker 2: the first Today the Liberal Party Federal Executive Acts. The
31:13
Speaker 2: two former Federal presidents who are leading its intervention into
31:16
Speaker 2: the New South Wales division, Alan Stockdale and Richard Alston,
31:20
Speaker 2: have been dropped, while the third member, Peter Seaton, will
31:23
Speaker 2: remain on a new enlarged committee to be led by
31:26
Speaker 2: former New South Wales Premier Nick Griner. A Liberal source
31:29
Speaker 2: has been quoted in the media saying, and I quote you,
31:31
Speaker 2: Southwales members have reclaimed the party back from Victoria, don't
31:35
Speaker 2: have been How to discuss this and more? Former Liberal
31:37
Speaker 2: Party Vice president Sky News contributor Tina McQueen, Well, I'll
31:42
Speaker 2: tell you what You've forgotten more about the Liberal Party
31:45
Speaker 2: than most people watching tonight will know.
31:48
Speaker 6: So give me your take on this intervention.
31:50
Speaker 2: I mean, I do think it's good that it has
31:52
Speaker 2: been extended, Tina, But the change in personnel people have
31:58
Speaker 2: said to be the Staffson earn that this is all
31:59
Speaker 2: about it a factional fix.
32:02
Speaker 6: Is that fair? How do you interpret things?
32:05
Speaker 7: Absolutely, Peter, it's a factional stitch up.
32:07
Speaker 4: Most of the people that created the carnage in the
32:09
Speaker 4: first place are now back in control. I mean they
32:12
Speaker 4: demonized Richard Olsten and you know for being Victorian ouctionineeran Victorian,
32:20
Speaker 4: but they're put in eighty year old Nick Griner. Now
32:23
Speaker 4: I've served with mister Grinder on Federal Executive and let
32:26
Speaker 4: me tell you that scares me because he's so pro
32:29
Speaker 4: quotas that really frightens me. We've got an eighty year
32:32
Speaker 4: old federal President John Olsen. There's not one member of
32:36
Speaker 4: that committee under forty and we need to capture that
32:38
Speaker 4: youth vote. Most of them are sadly a long way
32:42
Speaker 4: from forty. So yeah, it looks sadly. I don't think
32:45
Speaker 4: it's going to make a lot of difference, Peter. The
32:47
Speaker 4: factions are back in control where they've always wanted to be.
32:53
Speaker 2: Does it surprise you because we know that Susan Lee
32:56
Speaker 2: was dependent on the factions in twenty twenty two save
33:00
Speaker 2: her pre selection. Is there a service that she's owed
33:04
Speaker 2: them this?
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Speaker 4: I hate to say it, but yes, I think that's
33:08
Speaker 4: the case. Susan lays had a number of closer, close shaves,
33:13
Speaker 4: and I think she's doing exactly as the factions wanted,
33:17
Speaker 4: and that's really disturbing. I mean, there's so much we
33:20
Speaker 4: really need, such a great change in the Liberal Party.
33:23
Speaker 4: As you said earlier in the piece, the delegate system
33:26
Speaker 4: is outdated. That should have go everyone should had to say.
33:29
Speaker 4: I think for the moment, they should drop the membership
33:31
Speaker 4: free from one hundred dollars to probably ten because it's
33:34
Speaker 4: going to be so hard to get people to renew
33:37
Speaker 4: under these conditions. And the members aren't stupid, Peter. They
33:40
Speaker 4: recognize these names and they know it's same old, same old,
33:43
Speaker 4: and the sad part is we have some remarkable, brilliant
33:47
Speaker 4: young people are younger generations in the ranks that don't
33:51
Speaker 4: get a chance because of the same people just over
33:53
Speaker 4: and over again, the yes people I call them.
33:58
Speaker 2: Richard also made a point that the factions left and right,
34:01
Speaker 2: they've always been there, they collude. Five thousand people had
34:06
Speaker 2: left being members of the party in New South Wales
34:09
Speaker 2: and five hundred would be new members were blocked. There
34:13
Speaker 2: has not been a new branch created in almost a
34:16
Speaker 2: decade in New South Wales. I understand there is now
34:20
Speaker 2: a new constitution. It has been drafted, but what's the
34:25
Speaker 2: risk it's now going to be rewritten by this new
34:27
Speaker 2: committee and any timeline on when we might actually see
34:31
Speaker 2: that new constitution ratified.
34:34
Speaker 6: That's the worry.
34:34
Speaker 4: No one's mentioned when it's going to be ratified, and
34:37
Speaker 4: that has been the problem. So many members have been
34:40
Speaker 4: blocked from entering particular branches. You know, they just want
34:43
Speaker 4: to keep them to small numbers where they control them,
34:45
Speaker 4: where they control the delegates, and that's where the rot
34:48
Speaker 4: sets in and it has to stop. That's why we
34:51
Speaker 4: need a total change. These has to be enforced. But
34:56
Speaker 4: problem is, as you said, when we don't know.
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Speaker 2: I want to ask you about the Victorian Libs too,
35:02
Speaker 2: because they've got a fight on down here. On Thursday night,
35:06
Speaker 2: John Perzuto will front the Liberal Party Administrative Committee. So this,
35:10
Speaker 2: for people at home, is the basically the board that
35:12
Speaker 2: runs a party in Victoria.
35:14
Speaker 6: He wants a loan.
35:15
Speaker 2: He wants a couple of million dollars to pay the
35:18
Speaker 2: money he owes Moira Dmi out of that federal court
35:21
Speaker 2: judgment where it was found that he defamed her on
35:25
Speaker 2: all five counts.
35:26
Speaker 6: Here he is a little earlier today. You're all aware
35:31
Speaker 6: that I'm working through things now and hopefully we'll get
35:34
Speaker 6: a good result. What do you make of Moira's most
35:36
Speaker 6: recently recent deal to you?
35:38
Speaker 14: Oh no, I have no comment on those things there
35:40
Speaker 14: before the party now, and like all things, will work
35:42
Speaker 14: through the internal processes and see.
35:44
Speaker 7: What happens on this day.
35:47
Speaker 6: Now. I think my viewers know my view on this.
35:50
Speaker 2: I do not think the Liberal Party is a bank
35:52
Speaker 2: for loser leaders. There's been warnings today about a backlash
35:56
Speaker 2: from donors and angry grassroots members if this was to proceed.
36:01
Speaker 4: What's your view, one dime, I'm almost totally unnecessary that
36:08
Speaker 4: it got to this stage.
36:10
Speaker 7: It could have been prevented.
36:12
Speaker 4: You know, a long time before I got this serious
36:14
Speaker 4: and he received this judgment. If he wants a loan, fine,
36:17
Speaker 4: go and get one, you know, take out a homelaran
36:20
Speaker 4: or something. Don't rely on party members heart earned, Manda.
36:23
Speaker 4: They won't cop it, Peter, they will not cop it
36:26
Speaker 4: and people will leave if the Liberal Party or any
36:28
Speaker 4: associated attendities lend him one dime. He refuses to put
36:36
Speaker 4: his home up for security, though, Tina, and that's why
36:38
Speaker 4: he can't get a bank loan, and that's why he's
36:41
Speaker 4: relying on the party. Well, then sadly he's going to
36:44
Speaker 4: have to leave parliament, Peter, simple as that.
36:47
Speaker 6: No great loss.
36:49
Speaker 2: Well we'll see what happens there. I'll come back to
36:52
Speaker 2: that issue in the moment. Actually there's more speculation about
36:55
Speaker 2: a change of leadership yet again with the Libs in Victoria.
36:57
Speaker 6: Thank you to him a Queen.
37:00
Speaker 2: The Break a Bondshell report reveals authorities shied away from
37:03
Speaker 2: the ethnicity of UK's groomy gang members class. The Victorian
37:08
Speaker 2: government brags about his latest pill testing initiative, Welcome back
37:16
Speaker 2: to the calm. The principle of a Melbourne private school
37:18
Speaker 2: forced to apologize to parents after a gay Palestinian speaker
37:22
Speaker 2: with sexually explicit social media content address boys as part
37:27
Speaker 2: of Pride Week. But first, the UK government forced to
37:31
Speaker 2: order a u national inquiry into the country's groomying gangs
37:34
Speaker 2: scandal after a report from Baroness Louise Casey found that
37:39
Speaker 2: authorities had shied away from the ethnicity of those involved
37:42
Speaker 2: in the gangs. The Home Secretary of Ed Cooper has
37:45
Speaker 2: accepted the recommendations for the collection of ethnicity data to
37:48
Speaker 2: be made compulsory in all cases of child abuse and
37:53
Speaker 2: on the key issues.
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Speaker 15: Of its ethnicity that I'd asked her to examine, she
37:56
Speaker 15: has found continued failure to gather proper robust national data,
38:01
Speaker 15: despite concerns being raised going back very many years. In
38:05
Speaker 15: the local data that the audit examined from three police forces,
38:10
Speaker 15: they identify clear evidence of overrepresentation among suspects of Asian
38:15
Speaker 15: and Pakistani heritage.
38:17
Speaker 2: Men h look at those labor women, they're looking at
38:21
Speaker 2: their shoes having been MPs while all of this went on.
38:25
Speaker 2: Joining me now, courage media contributor Connor Tomlinson, Connor, thank
38:29
Speaker 2: you for joining me tonight.
38:30
Speaker 6: We've followed this really closely.
38:32
Speaker 2: In Australia and according to the Casey report, and I
38:35
Speaker 2: thought this is extraordinary. Ethnicity data was not recorded for
38:40
Speaker 2: two thirds of groomy gang perpetrators. Now, she also said.
38:45
Speaker 2: Baroness also said that there was time we needed to end.
38:48
Speaker 2: She said the sanitized language around these so called grooming gangs.
38:52
Speaker 2: I want to call them rape gangs because that's exactly
38:55
Speaker 2: what they were. And it's not just race, it's also
38:59
Speaker 2: their religious that was protected. But the poor or vulnerable
39:02
Speaker 2: girls they were preyed upon, they were not protected.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, for a number of these crimes. Peter Shadow Education
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Speaker 8: Minister Neilo Bryan has been writing on his substack for
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Speaker 8: some time that particularly child sexual offenses, there looks to
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Speaker 8: be a deliberate omission of the ethnicity of the perpetrator.
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Speaker 8: And it looks deliberate because the sex of the perpetrator,
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Speaker 8: usually being male, is recorded in almost every case. So
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Speaker 8: the police, presumably through trying to manage community cohesion or
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Speaker 8: ensure some sort of racial harmony with an entire community
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Speaker 8: of child rapists, has decided not to record this. And
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Speaker 8: it is very suspicious as well that of the thirty
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Speaker 8: five percent that had their ethnicity recorded eighty seven percent
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Speaker 8: were white British. Now for the remaining sixty five percent,
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Speaker 8: we can build up a picture from the ethnicity of
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Speaker 8: suspects recorded by police in other districts. For example, in
39:54
Speaker 8: Operation Stovewood, which is the National Crime Agency's operation tackling
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Speaker 8: the Pakistani gangs in Rotherham, Pakistani's make up four percent
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Speaker 8: of the local population in Rotherham, let's say two percent
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Speaker 8: for men aged fifteen to sixty, but they make up
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Speaker 8: sixty four percent of all of the child sexual abuse suspects.
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Speaker 8: I mean, that's just an exponential overrepresentation. The same in
40:16
Speaker 8: West Yorkshire where Asian suspects and they don't mean obviously
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Speaker 8: Japanese businessmen here are overrepresented by two to four times
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Speaker 8: their share of the local population. And I found some
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Speaker 8: data via a freedom of information request from the West
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Speaker 8: Yorkshire Police that has passed along to me and another
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Speaker 8: journalist friend of mine earlier this year, and this coroborates
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Speaker 8: that we found that among Pakistani suspects they were twenty
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Speaker 8: one percent of all suspects, and Asian offenders are potential
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Speaker 8: forty two point seventy three percent. And we say potential
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Speaker 8: because a fifth of all of the suspects again didn't
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Speaker 8: have their ethnicity recorded, and Luise Casey has been adamant
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Speaker 8: about this ever since she first wrote a report into
40:55
Speaker 8: Rotherham in twenty fifteen that the express reason that social workers,
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Speaker 8: police officers, local counselors and politicians didn't talk about this
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Speaker 8: were because, and here's a quote, you couldn't bring up
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Speaker 8: race issues and meetings or you would be branded a racist.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the inquiry that they've been forced to adopt. Now,
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Speaker 2: this National Inquiry, it is time limited and reports are
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Speaker 2: that it will not be likely to be as comprehensive
41:22
Speaker 2: as victims hope now.
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Speaker 6: Keir Star, of course during the time.
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Speaker 2: That this was playing out, was also a prosecutor at
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Speaker 2: the time, so there is concern that he's got real
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Speaker 2: questions to answer as well.
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Speaker 8: Yes, well, he has face criticism from Maggie Oliver, who
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Speaker 8: was a police officer in charge of Operational Gusta in
41:43
Speaker 8: Greater Manchester who took some time off work, came back
41:46
Speaker 8: and found that her operation had been mysteriously closed down.
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Speaker 8: She's been a valiant crusader for the grooming gangs ever since.
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Speaker 8: She's criticized the Crown Prosecution Service under Kirs Starmer for
41:55
Speaker 8: just neglecting to take a lot of these cases forward,
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Speaker 8: and still too many are not taken forward and historically
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Speaker 8: this has been the case. The recent data from West
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Speaker 8: Yorkshire found only a seventeen percent prosecution rate for all
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Speaker 8: of the offenses that they recorded, which is staggeringly too low.
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Speaker 8: But Kirs Starmer, even when he's been in government, has
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Speaker 8: been dragged, kicking and screaming to this national inquiry. It
42:17
Speaker 8: was only in January when he said that those calling
42:19
Speaker 8: for a national inquiry were quote jumping on a bandwagon
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Speaker 8: by the far right. His Leader of the House of Commons,
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Speaker 8: Lucy Powell, when she was asked, I think it was
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Speaker 8: last month now about the grooming gangs by a journalist
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Speaker 8: on the BBC, she said, oh, we're going to blow
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Speaker 8: that little trumpet, are we. Let's get the dog whistle out,
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Speaker 8: dismissing any conversation about the ethnicity and the religion of
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Speaker 8: the perpetrators, which was their primary motivation to prey on white,
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Speaker 8: working class non Muslim girls, as itself racist. And then
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Speaker 8: you have Jess Phillips, who's the Home Office Safeguarding minister,
42:48
Speaker 8: who blocked Oldham Council from having assistance National assistance because
42:53
Speaker 8: they felt they couldn't carry out an independent inquiry, and
42:56
Speaker 8: she has made the entire affair all about her because
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Speaker 8: Eglon Musk tweeted about her complicity in the cover up
43:01
Speaker 8: and is now doing the media rounds on LBC and
43:03
Speaker 8: the BBC in the UK saying well, I was always
43:05
Speaker 8: on the side of the victims and I always wanted
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Speaker 8: this inquiry, hoping that we have an apocalyptically short memory. Honestly, Peter,
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Speaker 8: I don't have much faith in the Labor government being
43:13
Speaker 8: able to carry this out properly and impartially, which is
43:16
Speaker 8: why I'm really glad that Rupert Low, independent MP, now
43:19
Speaker 8: is still going forward with his private inquiry, because at
43:22
Speaker 8: least that can get all of the evidence out in
43:23
Speaker 8: the public and hold the government to account.
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Speaker 6: We'll stay across O'Connor.
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Speaker 2: We're watching it here in Australia and it has been
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Speaker 2: a damning indictment on identity politics thus far. We'll see
43:34
Speaker 2: what comes out of this inquiry. Thank you for your time.
43:37
Speaker 2: All right, after Break Wide Earth is a Victorian government
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Speaker 2: crowing about having the largest pill testing facility in the country.
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Speaker 6: All right, other issues around. Let's get into it straight away.
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Speaker 6: My panel.
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Speaker 2: Now Skyney's commentator at Terry Barnes and the new federal
43:55
Speaker 2: member for Monash The said in Victoria Liberal Mary Aldred, Well,
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Speaker 2: welcome to you boy. Let's start in Victoria yet again.
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Speaker 2: A new pills center will open up in a couple
44:06
Speaker 2: of weeks. It'll be right in the middle of Bronswick Street,
44:10
Speaker 2: a bit of a tourism precinct, right across the road,
44:13
Speaker 2: Terry Barnes from one of those high rise housing Commission centers.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what they are crowing the government here
44:20
Speaker 2: about the size of it, how wonderful it is, how
44:22
Speaker 2: big it is. Where's the anti drug message rather than
44:25
Speaker 2: the pro pill testing message.
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Speaker 7: There isn't one, this is there, Peter.
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Speaker 16: I mean, basically the government should actually be hanging its
44:31
Speaker 16: head in shame, not bragging about it, not being proud
44:34
Speaker 16: of it. Because I think a permanent pill testing center,
44:37
Speaker 16: I mean, we're not talking about going to raves and
44:39
Speaker 16: things like that, but we're talking and which I think
44:42
Speaker 16: is wrong in itself. But I think a permanent pill
44:43
Speaker 16: testing center sends the wrong message. It's another slide down
44:47
Speaker 16: the slippery slope in terms of illegal illicit dangerous drugs.
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Speaker 7: And I think if you're tending a message.
44:52
Speaker 16: To the dealer said oh okay, you can peddle this
44:55
Speaker 16: stuff and we'll get it tested and make it official,
44:57
Speaker 16: you know, government tick. I just think it's the wrong
45:00
Speaker 16: message around. It's morally wrong, and it's dangerous for our kids.
45:04
Speaker 2: Another issue in Victoria too today the principle of Trinity
45:07
Speaker 2: Grammar forced into a groveling apology Mary after he organized
45:13
Speaker 2: a speaker to talk to the boys about Pride Week.
45:16
Speaker 2: So you know, gay, lesbian, binary, whatever, and the speaker
45:21
Speaker 2: is a Palestinian figure who had a whole lot of
45:24
Speaker 2: pretty sexually explicit material material on his social media feed.
45:31
Speaker 2: Parents are not happy. You think there might be some
45:33
Speaker 2: checks and balances here.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, Peter, I've got no issue with a school making
45:40
Speaker 14: an effort to provide a more inclusive environment for their students,
45:44
Speaker 14: but in doing this on this occasion, clearly it's not
45:46
Speaker 14: been age appropriate or appropriate some of that social media content.
45:50
Speaker 14: The bigger issue for me, though, is that the speaker
45:53
Speaker 14: turned up wearing a pro Palestinian scuff So I don't
45:57
Speaker 14: think that makes Jewish students in that class feel very included.
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Speaker 14: I think it sends a terrible one sided message. We've
46:04
Speaker 14: got a really big problem at the moment in Australia
46:07
Speaker 14: with the continued rise of anti Semitism. It's not appropriate
46:12
Speaker 14: to have a speaker promoting those sort of messages. There
46:15
Speaker 14: should have been a bet vetting process. And I do
46:19
Speaker 14: think it's a bit of a cop out to just say, oh,
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Speaker 14: we don't vet the you know, we're going to put
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Speaker 14: this speaker forward, but we haven't done any vetting on
46:26
Speaker 14: their social media messages or content. I don't think that's
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Speaker 14: a sufficient response.
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Speaker 6: I agree with to maryt.
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Speaker 2: What if I'm getting in political speakers, they'd vet your
46:35
Speaker 2: conservative politics or my conservative politics way more than they'd
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Speaker 2: you know, vet the sort of sexual toys and we've
46:43
Speaker 2: got on our social media. Not that we have them, please,
46:46
Speaker 2: not that we have them, but that's what's happened there. Hey, yeah,
46:49
Speaker 2: let's go down to Victoria. We talked a little bit
46:51
Speaker 2: there about what could go down. Terry Barnes on Thursday
46:54
Speaker 2: night a multimillion dollar loan to form a leader John
46:56
Speaker 2: Perzuto to get him out of a bind money he
46:59
Speaker 2: owes the court. But worse today is this conversation reported
47:03
Speaker 2: in the Herald Son that mp is are now openly
47:06
Speaker 2: talking about rolling the current leader Brad Batten, who has
47:09
Speaker 2: only been there for six months, and putting back in
47:12
Speaker 2: Matthew Guy, who went to two elections.
47:15
Speaker 6: And lost both.
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Speaker 16: Look, I think if Matthew Guy is the answer, it's
47:21
Speaker 16: a pretty bad question to be honest with you, Peter.
47:23
Speaker 16: I mean, he's a look, put his decent flog, put
47:26
Speaker 16: that aside. But he's been leader twice, he's been thumped twice.
47:30
Speaker 16: You can't make a supplay rise three times, I think
47:33
Speaker 16: when it comes to mister Guy.
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Speaker 7: But the other side of it is I think he's
47:37
Speaker 7: part of the problem, not the solution.
47:38
Speaker 16: I think the Victorian Parliamentary Liberal Party is a dog's
47:42
Speaker 16: breakfast of incompetence, of extinct.
47:44
Speaker 7: Volcanoes who had their day.
47:45
Speaker 16: And I think that Matthew Guy and a number of
47:48
Speaker 16: others who are elected before twenty ten, when the Ted
47:50
Speaker 16: Vayue won the election, they've been.
47:52
Speaker 7: There for prayer. But they're so used to being in opposition.
47:55
Speaker 16: That's all they can do, that's all they can think about.
47:58
Speaker 16: I think it's important that the party room in Victoria
48:02
Speaker 16: if we're going to actually make Victoria a viable alternative
48:06
Speaker 16: in terms of governance, in terms of a change of
48:09
Speaker 16: regime if you like, but more in terms of the.
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Speaker 7: Significance Victoria to Australia.
48:13
Speaker 16: We need to get Victoria and it's Liberal party right,
48:16
Speaker 16: and I think the party room needs a clean out.
48:19
Speaker 16: The organization needs a cleanout. Members need to be given
48:22
Speaker 16: a reason to stay and good people need to be
48:25
Speaker 16: given a reason to join.
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Speaker 6: Mary. Just on the meeting that was canceled today with.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump and the Prime Minister, your leader's been fairly critical.
48:37
Speaker 2: She's saying that the government's not handled this relationship very well.
48:40
Speaker 2: I mean, you're in a farming community. I know farmers
48:43
Speaker 2: want relief on this tariff issue. What do you make
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Speaker 2: of today?
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Speaker 14: Well, look, it's one area where I really wish the
48:51
Speaker 14: Australian government success. I don't want to see Australia fail
48:55
Speaker 14: in better negotiating good outcomes in the national interest. Here
48:59
Speaker 14: I spent the morning at the Ladna Park steer trial.
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Speaker 14: We have a very big beef farming community across the
49:06
Speaker 14: Monash electorate. This is an important issue for us. But
49:10
Speaker 14: it is not just today that, unfortunately the Prime Minister
49:14
Speaker 14: is not being able to secure or this week a
49:17
Speaker 14: meeting with Donald Trump. I mean this should have been
49:19
Speaker 14: in the pipeline months and months ago. There should have been,
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Speaker 14: I think that much more comfert an effort on the
49:25
Speaker 14: ground to address this.
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Speaker 6: I agree with you, Mary, I'll leave it there. Thank
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Speaker 6: you both. Andrew Bolts updexed