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Pushing the Limits with Lisa Tamati: Resilience, Health, and the Power of Never Giving Up · Ageless and Timeless Podcast®

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon everyone. This is Michelle Hughes from Ageless and
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Speaker 1: Timeless Today. I have one of my very close friends,
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Speaker 1: and we've never met in person because she lives in
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Speaker 1: New Zealand. But you know how things happen when you
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Speaker 1: meet somebody, even online, and you feel an immediate chemistry.
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Speaker 1: Well that's what happened with Lisa Tommody and Michelle Hughes.
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Speaker 1: So we are like sisters, right, Lisa.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, brilliant. You're absolutely amazing, Michelle, and I love your
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Speaker 2: work and just love your ethos. So yes, we definitely
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Speaker 2: are sisters from another country.
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Speaker 1: Another mother. I always say with my male friends, you're
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Speaker 1: a brother from another mother.
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Speaker 2: Love it.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's been what three years since we've
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Speaker 1: met each other, and you were the one. Good for
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Speaker 1: you to approach me on LinkedIn, I remember correctly, and
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Speaker 1: I remember saying to my assistant at the time, oh
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Speaker 1: my god, call that woman.
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Speaker 2: It looks like crazy lady.
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Speaker 1: No, no, I mean, just like everything that I read
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Speaker 1: about you, I was like, oh my gosh, she's amazing.
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Speaker 1: So why don't you start by giving us your backstory
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Speaker 1: so everybody knows who you are, and maybe start with
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Speaker 1: that little girl Lisa and tell us how you grew
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Speaker 1: up to be who you are today.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we won't go to back too far. I'm boring,
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Speaker 2: but yeah, so I come from I come from New Zealand.
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Speaker 2: I'm a Kiwi. There for the funny eccente, sorry guys.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm very old. I'm older, you know that.
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Speaker 2: I that I would like to admit. But grew up
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Speaker 2: in the seventies and a very lovely family over here.
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Speaker 2: But I had a very I have a background as
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Speaker 2: an ultra marathon runner. Let's start there, otherwise we'll be
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Speaker 2: heap about. So I spent twenty five years racing the
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Speaker 2: world's toughest endurance events around the world, so doing expeditions,
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Speaker 2: doing ultra marathons, climbing mountains, trekking, traveling, doing all that
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Speaker 2: sort of adventure stuff. And I think I got into that.
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Speaker 2: I was a gymnast as a child, and I got
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Speaker 2: to puberty, grew up too big, too tall, too heavy
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Speaker 2: to everything. You know this, gymnasts are going to be little.
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Speaker 2: And I disappointed my dad very much that I wasn't
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Speaker 2: going to make it in the gymnastics scene. And so
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Speaker 2: he'd always wanted us to represent our country in something,
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Speaker 2: and for me, it was gymnastics, and so I failed.
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Speaker 2: So I had to find something else to replace it
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Speaker 2: to please Dad. I think that was sort of my
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Speaker 2: motivation to begin with. And then am I late teens
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Speaker 2: early twenties. I had a boyfriend who was a very extreme,
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Speaker 2: amazing athlete, and we spent years sort of traveling around
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Speaker 2: the planet and doing lots of stuff. Unfortunately, it was
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Speaker 2: a very abusive relationship, you know, these early ones when
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Speaker 2: you're young and you put up with far too much
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Speaker 2: that you should have. And so he actually left me
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Speaker 2: in the middle of the Libyan desert. We're doing a crossing,
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Speaker 2: an illegal crossing of the Libyan desert, and after a
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Speaker 2: five year long relationship, he decided to ditch me in
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Speaker 2: the middle of that. So that was a big turning
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Speaker 2: point in my life. That was an extreme expedition where
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Speaker 2: we were like, you know, two hundred and fifty kilometers
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Speaker 2: that we had to cross. We had no outside help.
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Speaker 2: We had only you know, two liters of water a day,
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Speaker 2: which was by no means if you know anything about
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Speaker 2: deserts and forty odd degree temperatures and two liters of
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Speaker 2: water a day was not enough, and so we were covering,
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Speaker 2: you know, forty five kilometers a day sort of with
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Speaker 2: these huge backpacks, you know, like in kilos, thirty five
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Speaker 2: kilos I had in my back you know. So this
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Speaker 2: was a very extreme situation that I was in. And
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Speaker 2: the boyfriend at the time decided to pack a wobbly
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Speaker 2: and left leave me on day four.
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Speaker 1: So that was like, that was almost an unreal piece
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Speaker 1: of information that you just said, how could someone with
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Speaker 1: any kind of character leave a poor girl, not even
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Speaker 1: a woman hardly yet right, a poor girl in the
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Speaker 1: middle of a desert by herself.
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Speaker 2: I mean, well, no, I wasn't. We had two other
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Speaker 2: guys with us, so I was with the other two
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Speaker 2: so luckily. But it was a really extreme situation and
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Speaker 2: it was really the culmination you know that I haven't
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Speaker 2: gone into the backstory, but it was a culmination of
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Speaker 2: you know, having someone having complete control over my life
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Speaker 2: basically at that point. And this was the first time
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Speaker 2: that we'd done any sort of expeditions or adventures with
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Speaker 2: other people. And they were like, hang on a minute,
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Speaker 2: this is not okay the way you're treating her. And
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Speaker 2: they were like, this is not all right. So these
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Speaker 2: two alpha males, if you like, had had a big
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Speaker 2: argument about, you know, me, and it was the fact
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Speaker 2: that the boyfriend wanted me to help with the book
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Speaker 2: with a photography that we were doing, and we we
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Speaker 2: were traveling really fast, like we had to move, you know,
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Speaker 2: forty five kilometers a day. It was just a lot,
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Speaker 2: and you're in a desert and if we didn't we
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Speaker 2: weren't going to get out. And I physically just wasn't
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Speaker 2: able to do that and go and set up tripods
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Speaker 2: and take photos and do all of that. And so
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Speaker 2: the boyfriend at the time was, you know, like you're useless,
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Speaker 2: you can't you know, what's wrong with your type of thing.
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Speaker 2: And he was the leader of the expeditions, Like, hang
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Speaker 2: on a minute, you can't do that.
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Speaker 1: I'm just curious at that time, how did that shape
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Speaker 1: you going forward?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I laugh about it now, but it
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Speaker 2: wasn't funny at the time. And it was it was
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Speaker 2: one of these you know, it was a situation where
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Speaker 2: we were so dehydrated, all of us. So your tempers
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Speaker 2: are very short anyway, because if anyone's experienced real dehydration,
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Speaker 2: it is the most torturous thing that you can possibly imagine.
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Speaker 2: So to be fair to him. He wanted to get
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Speaker 2: moving faster, and you know, and the rest of us
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Speaker 2: were able to and I wasn't able to do the
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Speaker 2: job that he wanted. So it was it was a
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Speaker 2: really dire situation, and it was a real low point
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Speaker 2: in my life. And I started to fall apart because
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Speaker 2: this is the love of your life and you're in
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Speaker 2: the middle of a desert and he's just left you,
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Speaker 2: and you don't know if you're going to make it out,
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Speaker 2: and you don't know whether your relationship is going to survive.
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Speaker 2: And you know, I was living in his country, Austria
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Speaker 2: at the time, so your whole life's falling apart, right
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Speaker 2: And in that moment, I really sort of had to
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Speaker 2: pull myself together, and it was learning to compartmentalize my
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Speaker 2: emotional trauma that I was going through from the physical
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Speaker 2: trauma that I was going through and going hang on,
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Speaker 2: I've got to survive here, So I've got to put
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Speaker 2: the emotional baggage to the side, and I've got to
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Speaker 2: really focus on survival and getting through and not causing
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Speaker 2: any more trouble to the other two guys who were
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Speaker 2: with us, And so we you know, the three of
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Speaker 2: us carried on. He left us, and you know, I
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Speaker 2: didn't know where the he had survived because you're in
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Speaker 2: the middle of the Libyan desert by yourself. It's not
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Speaker 2: not a good idea to be alone and anything like that.
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Speaker 2: And you know, it was touch and go. You'd have
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Speaker 2: to read my first book, Running Hot for the whole story.
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Speaker 2: And you know, I nearly didn't make it out because
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Speaker 2: the dehydration got so bad. You know, on day five
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Speaker 2: that I was in deep trouble. My body starting to
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Speaker 2: break down, nervous system breaking down, you know, passing out
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Speaker 2: all the time, just really in deep trouble. But we
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Speaker 2: did make it out, and it took me about two
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Speaker 2: years to recover from it physically, but mentally it took
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Speaker 2: me a lot longer to recover from the relationship, you know.
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Speaker 2: And it was a turning point because it was like
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Speaker 2: it was about as low as you could go in
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Speaker 2: your life. You know, your life's falling apart, the country
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Speaker 2: you're living in, the boyfriend, you know, everything, and then
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Speaker 2: going you know, taking the time to recover and then
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Speaker 2: going hang on. I was still living in Austria. I
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Speaker 2: wanted to have more adventures, but I wanted to do
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Speaker 2: it in a more controlled manner. That's when I came
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Speaker 2: across a race in Morocco called the Marathon Disables, which
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Speaker 2: is a very famous ultra marathon that runs across the
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Speaker 2: Moroccan Sahara two hundred and forty kilometers. And I've never
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Speaker 2: done a marathon at this point, but I've done lots
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Speaker 2: of trekking and lots of adventuring, and I thought I
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Speaker 2: might have a go at this by myself for the
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Speaker 2: first time, you know, doing something for myself with other
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Speaker 2: people down there, but not with somebody. And so I
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Speaker 2: went and got sponsors and I managed to get down
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Speaker 2: to this event and it was the most incredible, wonderful
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Speaker 2: event of my life because it was surrounded by the
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Speaker 2: most amazing people on this big mission together. It was
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Speaker 2: it was hard, but it was nowhere near as hard
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Speaker 2: as the stuff I'd been through with the in the past,
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Speaker 2: and so it was for me it was like this revelation,
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Speaker 2: I can keep having adventures, I can meet all these
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Speaker 2: amazing cool people, I can you know, do all these
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Speaker 2: extreme things in the more controlled environments. And that's what
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Speaker 2: I ended up doing, one after the other after the
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Speaker 2: other after the other, and twenty five years later, you know,
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Speaker 2: I had a really amazingly long career. I had no talent,
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Speaker 2: Michelle whatsoever for it, but I was just I think
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Speaker 2: those early experiences being told that you're useless, being told
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Speaker 2: that you can't do something really sort of fired up
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Speaker 2: a fire and me to prove certain people wrong, you know,
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Speaker 2: And so that was a driving force to you know,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to show you guys sort of thing in
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Speaker 2: the beginning at least, and then it morphed into other things,
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Speaker 2: but it was very much I'll show you And that's
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Speaker 2: probably a bit why I have a very contrarian nature
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Speaker 2: now to this day. You know, when someone tells me
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Speaker 2: I can't do something, I'm like you, Michelle, I'm just like, yea,
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Speaker 2: will you watch me? I'll find a way.
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Speaker 1: You know, I was watching I was listening to Tony
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Speaker 1: Robbins last night on one of his podcasts, and you know,
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Speaker 1: he's so inspiring anyway, but that's one of the things
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Speaker 1: he said. He said, never complain. Only look at yourself
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Speaker 1: and say, I'm only going to use this to get better.
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Speaker 1: So if I have a setback, you know, that's my lesson.
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Speaker 1: What have I learned from this? Not not complaining about
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Speaker 1: being a victim or you know, this is why? Why me?
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Speaker 1: You know, that kind of an attitude that some people adopt.
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Speaker 1: But instead what you did, which is to say, I'm
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Speaker 1: using this as a launching pad. And this wasn't you know,
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Speaker 1: it was a disappointment. It certainly was a disappointment. It
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Speaker 1: was a death in your case, and yet you used
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Speaker 1: it to launch into something even to show you're even
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Speaker 1: better than what you thought you were before that all happened.
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Speaker 1: So it was like a you know, it was like
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Speaker 1: a gift. I mean, they say that crisis and opportunity
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Speaker 1: in Chinese are synonyms. Wow, I didn't know. I never
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Speaker 1: knew that. But you know, so if you have a
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Speaker 1: crisis and you look at it and say, Okay, what
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Speaker 1: is this teaching me? Or what is this meant to
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Speaker 1: teach me? And then all you know, all you do
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Speaker 1: is look around you like you did and find another
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Speaker 1: opportunity to just show how much tenacity you have. So
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Speaker 1: good for you. So did you did you ever hook
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Speaker 1: up or see this guy again?
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Speaker 2: Yes? I did years later, and you know, he had
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Speaker 2: matured a little bit and and I'd moved on, and
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Speaker 2: you know, it was it was good to to you know,
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Speaker 2: heal old wounds and so to speak. But it did
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Speaker 2: it still stayed with me though, Like even though that,
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Speaker 2: you know, I was no longer angry at him, so
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Speaker 2: to speak. It was more, you know, I had the
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Speaker 2: opportunity to do a race in America, actually Death Valley
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Speaker 2: through the Badwater Ultra Marathon, which is a famous race
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Speaker 2: in your neck of the woods. And this boyfriend back
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Speaker 2: then had cycled through Death Valley in the middle of summer,
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Speaker 2: and so it was in the back of my mind
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Speaker 2: when I heard about this races. You know, he'd always
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Speaker 2: skoited about cycling through Death Valley in the middle of summer,
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, this, wouldn't that be nice if I
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Speaker 2: could run through Death Valley in the middle of summer,
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Speaker 2: and sort of that would be a good book end
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Speaker 2: to that chapter, you know. And so I started training
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Speaker 2: for the Badwater Ultra Marathon and managed to get a
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Speaker 2: slot because it's not easy to get into that race.
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Speaker 2: It's very difficult. You have to have you know, it's
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Speaker 2: sort of like the World Champs of our sport, if
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Speaker 2: you like. And I finally got a slot in the
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Speaker 2: race and had the most incredible adventure running through a
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Speaker 2: death valley in the middle of summer. It was like
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Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty five mile and you know, temperatures
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Speaker 2: up to one hundred and twenty five or something degrees,
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Speaker 2: and you know, it was absolutely brutal. And I did
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Speaker 2: that twice. Actually I did that in two years in
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Speaker 2: a row, and that was sort of a book d
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Speaker 2: So like, Okay, I think I've proven it now. I'm
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Speaker 2: not that hopeless, I'm not that useless. I can do things.
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Speaker 2: And when you cross the finish line and something like that, Michelle,
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Speaker 2: you you know, and there's no stadiums full of people
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Speaker 2: and people putting metals around your neck or anything like that.
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Speaker 2: It's you know, it's more the fact that you took
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Speaker 2: on a massive challenge that was really difficult. You had
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Speaker 2: a wonderful team around you, because I had a brilliant
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Speaker 2: team that I put together, my crew that you know,
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Speaker 2: really helped me do it, and wonderful sponsors, and you know,
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Speaker 2: the family back home and all of those sorts of things.
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Speaker 2: And then you actually finish it, and you actually cross
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Speaker 2: the finish line and you realize, wow, I can do more.
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Speaker 2: All of us can do more than we ever thought possible.
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Speaker 2: The question is what are you willing to sacrifice for
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Speaker 2: that goal? And that's the question that you have to
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Speaker 2: ask yourself. It's not the question of can you do something,
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Speaker 2: It's more like, do you understand what you're going to
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Speaker 2: go through to achieve this goal? Is this sacrifice worth
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Speaker 2: it to you to achieve this goal? And if so,
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Speaker 2: then you go and you go hard, and you push
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Speaker 2: and you find ways. And when you really determined to
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Speaker 2: make something happen, you attract people to you because people
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Speaker 2: like you know, I had no way of getting there.
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Speaker 2: You know, I was thirty eight at the time. You know,
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Speaker 2: many years later, I was back home in New Zealand.
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Speaker 2: I had nothing. I'd sort of gone through another divorce
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Speaker 2: and i'd, you know, with come home from living in Austria.
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Speaker 2: So I was sort of starting back at scratch at
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Speaker 2: thirty eight years old with nothing, and I wanted to
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Speaker 2: do this race, and so I, you know, just started
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Speaker 2: talking to every man and his dog about this incredible
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Speaker 2: race that I wanted to do. And when you're really
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Speaker 2: enthusiastic about something and you have a mission on, what
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Speaker 2: you find is that people want to come on board
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Speaker 2: for some reason. You know, if you're a really enthusiastic person,
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Speaker 2: they'll be like, okay, I'll get involved with that. And
15:11
Speaker 2: so I managed to get in one sponsor and another
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Speaker 2: sponsor and another sponsor and the crew members and team
15:17
Speaker 2: members and together where you will put this whole project
15:19
Speaker 2: together and we manage to get over to the States
15:21
Speaker 2: because you know, it cost a lot of money and
15:22
Speaker 2: all of that sort of thing, and then to actually
15:25
Speaker 2: achieve it. And then when you when you have a
15:28
Speaker 2: team like that behind you where you can't let them down,
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Speaker 2: can you. You've got to push to the absolute limit
15:33
Speaker 2: to make sure you actually get there. And all of
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Speaker 2: those things are really learning lessons. So Ultra marathoning and
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Speaker 2: for me was not about the running itself, but that
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Speaker 2: was the conduit to me learning how to push, how
15:46
Speaker 2: to grind, how to set up projects, how to market myself,
15:50
Speaker 2: how to be a speaker, how to how to do
15:52
Speaker 2: things like interviews like this, you know, all of those
15:55
Speaker 2: things that go into putting projects like that together. And
15:59
Speaker 2: when you when you do all of that, you just realize,
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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I can achieve. You know that we
16:06
Speaker 2: all set limitations on ourself and I still do it
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Speaker 2: today in certain areas, you know, like I think I've
16:12
Speaker 2: got a problem with technology, so I'm not good at
16:15
Speaker 2: that stuff. And the more I hear myself saying that,
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Speaker 2: the more I'm going I've got to focus on that stuff,
16:19
Speaker 2: you know, because we all have this stuff that we
16:23
Speaker 2: think I can't do that. And this is what really
16:27
Speaker 2: set me up well for a life situation that happened
16:30
Speaker 2: to me. Then later on, where ten years ago, and
16:34
Speaker 2: I think I sheard this on my first podcast with you,
16:37
Speaker 2: but it's a while back now. My mum had a
16:40
Speaker 2: massive aneurism, so almost ten years ago now, and she
16:44
Speaker 2: was left in the you know, in the hospital. We
16:47
Speaker 2: had a misdiagnosis for a start, so we had a
16:49
Speaker 2: medical misadventure. The ambulance driver she'd collapsed at home. Ambulance
16:54
Speaker 2: thought she was having a stroke or an aneurysm, and
16:57
Speaker 2: told the doctors that, and the doctor at the emergency said, oh, no,
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Speaker 2: she's just got a migraine. And so he left her
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Speaker 2: there basically dying from an aneurysm and said, oh, you've
17:06
Speaker 2: just got a migraine, and we'll give you some you know,
17:08
Speaker 2: panadole or some painkillers and left her there. And at
17:14
Speaker 2: that point in my life, I wasn't in the medical
17:16
Speaker 2: world i am now, and I was not knowing what
17:19
Speaker 2: to ask for, what to do, you know, I was
17:21
Speaker 2: believing that the doctor's knew everything. I just left it
17:24
Speaker 2: up to them. And then after a few hours, my
17:26
Speaker 2: mum was an incredible pain and she was like, you know,
17:29
Speaker 2: like when you have an aneurysm, which is a bleed
17:31
Speaker 2: in the brain, in this case, the pain is something
17:34
Speaker 2: like you cannot imagine. Apparently, it's one of the worst
17:36
Speaker 2: pains in the world because your brain is being squashed
17:39
Speaker 2: to death, basically. And so I rang up a paramedic
17:43
Speaker 2: who had been on my crew and I said, hey,
17:45
Speaker 2: you know the people up here, I'm not getting anywhere.
17:47
Speaker 2: Can you please come and help because I think there's
17:48
Speaker 2: something major wrong and they're ignoring me. She came up
17:51
Speaker 2: and she took one look at mum and went, oh, yep,
17:53
Speaker 2: she's having an aneurysm or a stroke. And so she
17:56
Speaker 2: went to the doctor and she holds us doctor off
17:59
Speaker 2: and she's and said, you know, get her a CT
18:01
Speaker 2: scam right away, right now, and know un certain terms,
18:05
Speaker 2: so to speak. And he finally relented after six hours
18:08
Speaker 2: of us being in the ED and got a CT scam.
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Speaker 2: And then it came back, Oh my god, you know,
18:14
Speaker 2: blood right throughout the brain. She's probably dying. And we
18:17
Speaker 2: live in a regional area where there's no sort of
18:19
Speaker 2: neurological unit. So they had to get air ambulances in,
18:23
Speaker 2: which took another twelve hours for her for them to
18:25
Speaker 2: shift to and she could die at any moment, right
18:27
Speaker 2: The gold standard when you have an aneurism is to
18:30
Speaker 2: get them into surgery within an hour if you want
18:32
Speaker 2: to save their lives. And here we were eighteen hours
18:35
Speaker 2: before she got surgery. So the blood and the damage
18:38
Speaker 2: was extensive. And this put me on hi alert Michelle
18:42
Speaker 2: about I've got to do whatever I can in this
18:45
Speaker 2: new situation that I've been presented to research the hell
18:49
Speaker 2: and not be caught short again, and if we have
18:51
Speaker 2: another chance, And I remember, you know, promising God in
18:53
Speaker 2: the universe that if I had another chance to do
18:57
Speaker 2: it right at this time, I would study, and I
18:58
Speaker 2: would help and I would do whatever it takes to
19:01
Speaker 2: help my mum. And I remember saying that to my dad.
19:04
Speaker 2: My dad, the doctors are going, we don't think she's
19:06
Speaker 2: going to survive, you know, get ready for the worst.
19:10
Speaker 2: And my dad was, you know, like, oh my god.
19:13
Speaker 2: You know, he'd been married to her for fifty five
19:15
Speaker 2: years and you know, this was he was, she was
19:18
Speaker 2: his life. He started to, you know, break down, and
19:22
Speaker 2: I'm like, she's alive, Dad, you know, I grabbed him
19:24
Speaker 2: and I just said, look, she's alive. I'm not going
19:26
Speaker 2: to be caught short again. Dad. We're going to do
19:29
Speaker 2: you know. Gave him all other jobs to do, get
19:31
Speaker 2: down to Wellington, you know, do all this. When people
19:34
Speaker 2: are in an emergency situation like that, give them jobs
19:36
Speaker 2: so that they're braining their executive function. Can can you know,
19:40
Speaker 2: take over and you can focus on what you can
19:43
Speaker 2: control in this uncontrollable situation, you know, And so over
19:48
Speaker 2: the next three weeks. To cut a long story short,
19:50
Speaker 2: she was in an out of coma. She was very
19:52
Speaker 2: close to death, and multiple times the surgeons did a
19:55
Speaker 2: wonderful job on their part, but she was in and
19:59
Speaker 2: out of coma, and as the blood and the brain
20:01
Speaker 2: matter mix, you get more and more inflammation happening over
20:06
Speaker 2: the following weeks, so you're not out of the woods
20:08
Speaker 2: straight away. It actually gets worse and worse and more
20:10
Speaker 2: brain damage before you hopefully survive and stabilize. So in
20:16
Speaker 2: this time, I'm just studying my heart out and I'm
20:19
Speaker 2: catching things at the doctors aren't catching already, you know,
20:22
Speaker 2: in the hospital, and just being hyper vigilant, realizing that
20:26
Speaker 2: you know that already macked up once and wasn't going
20:29
Speaker 2: to let that happen on my watch again, and not
20:32
Speaker 2: being able to control that much because she was in
20:34
Speaker 2: the ICU, right, so I didn't have much control. But
20:38
Speaker 2: after three weeks she stabilized. They said, look, she's going
20:41
Speaker 2: to survive where we've got through the worst of it,
20:44
Speaker 2: but she's massively brain damaged. At age seventy four, she's
20:47
Speaker 2: never going to do anything again. Like she was like
20:50
Speaker 2: a baby, you know, had hardly any higher function at
20:53
Speaker 2: or didn't know who she was or recognize us, or
20:56
Speaker 2: you know, any control of her body. She was paralyzed
20:59
Speaker 2: completely on the rights. I had no speech, you know, nothing.
21:02
Speaker 2: And in this situation, I was like, right, I'm going
21:05
Speaker 2: to start studying brain rehabilitation. And I came across something
21:08
Speaker 2: called hyperbaric oxygen therapy and I actually run a hyperbaric
21:12
Speaker 2: oxygen clinic now. And I read doctor Paul Hart, who's
21:16
Speaker 2: an American doctor, very famous doctor, and he spoke in
21:21
Speaker 2: his book about how powerful this is for brain rehabilitation.
21:24
Speaker 2: And then I read a book called doctor Norman Deutsche
21:27
Speaker 2: about the brain that changes itself and can heal itself.
21:30
Speaker 2: And I'm like reading all these books and I'm hearing
21:33
Speaker 2: from the doctors that's impossible. You can't do it. There's
21:35
Speaker 2: nothing to be done. There's nothing to be done, you know.
21:37
Speaker 2: And I'm like, on, these doctors are telling me over
21:40
Speaker 2: here there there is something to be done, and I
21:41
Speaker 2: can do something. So I decided to believe the people
21:43
Speaker 2: that told me I could and not the people who
21:45
Speaker 2: told me I couldn't. And she was in hospital for
21:48
Speaker 2: three months, and in that time I already picked up
21:53
Speaker 2: I've done a lot of racing at altitude in the Himalayas,
21:55
Speaker 2: and I had had altitude sickness before, and I was
21:58
Speaker 2: recognizing the ELTI to sickness and my mum, in other words,
22:02
Speaker 2: a lack of oxygen. And so I said to the doctors,
22:05
Speaker 2: I think she's got sleep apnear. I think she's not breathing.
22:08
Speaker 2: They'd taken an oxygen mask off her, and and I
22:12
Speaker 2: think she needs to have a sleep sleep abnear assessment.
22:16
Speaker 2: And they wouldn't listen to me. And so I got
22:19
Speaker 2: an outside consultant who happened to be my dad worked
22:23
Speaker 2: for him as his gardener, and so I said, hey,
22:27
Speaker 2: can you come in to the to the hospital. We
22:31
Speaker 2: stuggled this consultant, a sleep sleep assessment guy physiologist into
22:36
Speaker 2: the into the hospital one night and we hooked Mom
22:38
Speaker 2: up to the sleep atnear machines and we did a
22:40
Speaker 2: sleep apney assessment and it came back to she was
22:42
Speaker 2: severe sleep at near So she was stopping breathing hundreds
22:46
Speaker 2: of times a night, hundreds of times. So that was
22:49
Speaker 2: meaning that the little bit of brain power that she
22:51
Speaker 2: had left was being knocked by the fact that she
22:54
Speaker 2: wasn't getting oxygen. Right, So this was actually chainstoke breathing,
22:58
Speaker 2: which is what you do usually on the way out.
23:00
Speaker 2: You know, that's you know, getting pretty bad. And so
23:04
Speaker 2: when I found this, and I went to them and said, hey,
23:06
Speaker 2: will you told me I couldn't do a sleep APNE assessment.
23:08
Speaker 2: I did it anyway, got in trouble for that, but
23:10
Speaker 2: who cares. This is the results. And then they were like, oh, oh,
23:15
Speaker 2: oh okay, we'll put the sleep ATNE machine on her.
23:18
Speaker 2: And then she started to get oxygen when she was asleep,
23:21
Speaker 2: and she was sleeping eighteen twenty hours a day, right
23:23
Speaker 2: because she was so fatigued and so badly damaged. And
23:27
Speaker 2: so this was my first one, and then she started
23:29
Speaker 2: to have little bits of improvement. And then I once
23:32
Speaker 2: I got her out of the hospital setting, because then
23:35
Speaker 2: after three months they were like, you know, we have
23:38
Speaker 2: to put her into institution. You're never going to be
23:40
Speaker 2: able to care for at home. She's two people around
23:42
Speaker 2: the clock here. You're just not going to cope as
23:44
Speaker 2: a family. And I remember fighting with a social worker
23:47
Speaker 2: who was a complete asshole. Excuse my language, but he was,
23:52
Speaker 2: and he was hell bent on getting him out of her,
23:56
Speaker 2: out of his budget, and into an institution. Another insteaditution's budget,
24:00
Speaker 2: and that meant not letting her go home to our
24:03
Speaker 2: house because then they still had to look after her.
24:06
Speaker 2: They were still you know, have to have caregivers come
24:09
Speaker 2: in and things like that, which cost the money. So
24:11
Speaker 2: it was a budgeting thing. So that you have to
24:13
Speaker 2: understand when you're in the hospital system, there are budget constraints.
24:17
Speaker 2: There are things like that that they're prioritizing over the
24:20
Speaker 2: health of your loved one. So if you want to
24:23
Speaker 2: get the best for your loved one, you're going to
24:25
Speaker 2: have to fight and advocate for them in order to
24:27
Speaker 2: get those resources. At least that that's the case in
24:29
Speaker 2: New Zealand. So anyway, I fought to get her home.
24:33
Speaker 2: I eventually got the right to take her home. I
24:36
Speaker 2: used to take my big brother with me, who was
24:38
Speaker 2: a very scary looking man, and he would just come
24:40
Speaker 2: and sit in all meetings so he didn't have to
24:45
Speaker 2: do anything. But I got what I wanted Michelle to
24:47
Speaker 2: bring her home, right.
24:48
Speaker 1: So that's an amazing story. So okay, so the hyperbaric oxygen.
24:56
Speaker 1: They didn't have a unit at that hospital, of course,
25:00
Speaker 1: of course not, but you knew that hyperbaric oxygen was
25:04
Speaker 1: going to be one of the protocols that you had
25:07
Speaker 1: to provide. So how did you get from A to
25:11
Speaker 1: B was getting a unit and getting at home to
25:15
Speaker 1: be on a hyperbaric oxygen unit.
25:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I actually approached a commercial dive company of
25:21
Speaker 2: all places, because they need this for divers who get
25:24
Speaker 2: the bends. That's the same hyperbaric chamber that they use
25:26
Speaker 2: for such excidents, and so it's by law commercial dive
25:30
Speaker 2: companies have to have these. And I approached these wonderful
25:32
Speaker 2: people and I said, hey, this is my situation, this
25:34
Speaker 2: is my research. Can I please use your chamber? And
25:37
Speaker 2: these amazing people said, yeah, you sign a legal waiver
25:39
Speaker 2: and do all the legalities that they're not responsible and
25:45
Speaker 2: you can use the chamber. So like, hell, yes, you know.
25:48
Speaker 2: So the day I got her out of the hospital,
25:50
Speaker 2: she's in a wheelchair, she can't move anything, she has
25:52
Speaker 2: no idea where she is. She's going straight. She didn't
25:54
Speaker 2: We didn't even go home. We went straight to this
25:56
Speaker 2: factory and we went straight into the hyperbaric chamber, which,
26:00
Speaker 2: by the way, was not easy. We had to get
26:01
Speaker 2: a fork left. We had to put her stretcher onto
26:04
Speaker 2: the forklift to get her into this chamber. Because she
26:06
Speaker 2: couldn't move right. And my dad and I went in
26:10
Speaker 2: there with her and we did all the treatments with her.
26:13
Speaker 2: And this was amazing and what these people allowed us
26:16
Speaker 2: to do was incredible. And we had thirty three treatments
26:19
Speaker 2: there and my mom started to respond. Now she didn't
26:22
Speaker 2: just get up and be fixed right. This was massive
26:26
Speaker 2: brain damage, but she started to have a few words,
26:29
Speaker 2: She started to move her right arm, which had been paralyzed.
26:33
Speaker 2: She was starting to have a flicker of intelligence behind
26:35
Speaker 2: her eyes. And then I realized that this is working.
26:38
Speaker 2: We need a lot more of this. And then I
26:40
Speaker 2: lost access to the chamber because the guys had to
26:43
Speaker 2: take it off on a contract, and so I then,
26:46
Speaker 2: when you know another obstacle, what do I do? So
26:48
Speaker 2: I mortgaged my house and I bought a hypermeric chamber
26:51
Speaker 2: and I instilled it in our house. And then I
26:53
Speaker 2: had to work it out how do I get her
26:55
Speaker 2: in because this was a different type of chamber, a
26:57
Speaker 2: soft shell chamber, and getting a parallel person into a
27:01
Speaker 2: chamber is not a simple thing. But I found a
27:04
Speaker 2: way in a method. My family and I worked it
27:07
Speaker 2: out and we got her in there, and we put
27:08
Speaker 2: her through treatment after treatment after treatment, and in this
27:11
Speaker 2: time I'm also starting everything I possibly can about how
27:14
Speaker 2: the brain rewires itself out of healing neurons, what supplements
27:18
Speaker 2: to take, what diet to do, what you know, functional neurology,
27:22
Speaker 2: how to re establish a vestibulous system. You know. I
27:26
Speaker 2: exercises all these things that I could possibly do to
27:28
Speaker 2: stay one step ahead of her in her recovery. And
27:31
Speaker 2: I had no idea. I was just flying completely blind.
27:33
Speaker 2: There was no support from the hospital, there was no
27:36
Speaker 2: physio even there was nothing. I engaged one good physio
27:40
Speaker 2: for a little bit of a time to and he
27:41
Speaker 2: gave me some exercises to try with her, and I
27:44
Speaker 2: just stayed one step ahead of her in her recovery journey.
27:48
Speaker 2: I learned the next step and tried to work out everything.
27:51
Speaker 2: And in this time I studied genetics, I got qualified
27:54
Speaker 2: in genetics, and so you know, I did all these things,
27:58
Speaker 2: and the long story short, it took me two and
28:00
Speaker 2: a half years to get her back to full capacity,
28:02
Speaker 2: like full driver's license, full ability to walk, you know,
28:06
Speaker 2: three four days a day, go to the gym, five
28:09
Speaker 2: days a week, socializing, full power.
28:12
Speaker 1: Back two and a half years. It's really a short
28:16
Speaker 1: period of time for somebody that was in that extreme
28:19
Speaker 1: really one step from gas.
28:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she was seventy you know by then, it
28:24
Speaker 2: was since she was seventy six, you know, like she
28:26
Speaker 2: wasn't a spring chicken anymore. And so for the brain
28:31
Speaker 2: to heal itself at that age, you know, takes a
28:33
Speaker 2: hell of a lot of So I had basically an
28:36
Speaker 2: eight hour program a day of exercises of movement of
28:41
Speaker 2: whether it was me moving her or message or you know,
28:44
Speaker 2: just every day there was just activities all day to
28:48
Speaker 2: try to and rest in between because she was very
28:51
Speaker 2: fatigued as well. But you know, a really strict program
28:54
Speaker 2: day and day day and day out. And I know
28:57
Speaker 2: how to grind because I'm an ultra marathon runner, and
28:59
Speaker 2: so I know how to just keep going when I
29:01
Speaker 2: see no progress and nothing's improving, and I just keep
29:04
Speaker 2: going anyway, because the alternative is I didn't have one,
29:07
Speaker 2: So all I knew to do was the things that
29:10
Speaker 2: I could do, right, So I just keep studying and
29:12
Speaker 2: keep doing the doing, And there would be months of
29:15
Speaker 2: no progress whatsoever, but I just push pushed through, push through,
29:19
Speaker 2: push through. And what I found with biology, and I've
29:21
Speaker 2: seen this over and over again now because I work
29:22
Speaker 2: with people in this area, is that the biology changes
29:27
Speaker 2: and you have a step up of improvement, and then
29:30
Speaker 2: you will plateau, plateau for two or three months, and
29:33
Speaker 2: then you have another step up and plateau again. But
29:36
Speaker 2: most people give up in that plateau, right. Same even
29:39
Speaker 2: with hyperbaric you need enough treatments if you're this bad.
29:42
Speaker 2: Obviously you don't need quite as many with normal sort
29:45
Speaker 2: of things, but you need a lot of treatments. And
29:49
Speaker 2: therefore most people will do three or four or five
29:52
Speaker 2: or six, and then they'll go, it's not working, you know,
29:55
Speaker 2: and they're not prepared to put in the hard yards
29:58
Speaker 2: and hard work and the time and the money and
30:00
Speaker 2: the energy that it takes to actually push through those
30:03
Speaker 2: barriers and get to that full the potential, you know.
30:07
Speaker 2: And yeah, so I wrote a book about it called Relentless,
30:11
Speaker 2: and that's you know, avadable on Amazon and on my
30:13
Speaker 2: website and things, and it's a really an inspiring story.
30:19
Speaker 2: Unfortunately it doesn't finish there because then four years later,
30:23
Speaker 2: so now, when mum was eighty or seventy nine eighty,
30:28
Speaker 2: she ended up with brain cancer, probably you know, after
30:34
Speaker 2: the after effects of the aneurysm. And also it was
30:36
Speaker 2: EBV epstein bar virus positive a c in is lymphoma,
30:43
Speaker 2: so this was a blood cancer but in the brain.
30:45
Speaker 2: So she had tumors right throughout the right side of
30:48
Speaker 2: the brain, sorry, the left side of the brain. And
30:52
Speaker 2: this when this happened, she had her whole face dropped
30:56
Speaker 2: and I thought she was having a stroke, and I
30:57
Speaker 2: had to fight for three weeks for them to get
30:59
Speaker 2: an emr I. Once again, you're just up against it
31:02
Speaker 2: in the medical system. So this is one of the
31:05
Speaker 2: reasons why, you know, I'm such an advocate for people,
31:07
Speaker 2: you know, really fighting for the resources that they need
31:11
Speaker 2: and really taking as much control in the preventative space
31:14
Speaker 2: so that they don't end up in this Hopefully don't
31:16
Speaker 2: end up in these situations. You can never know because
31:18
Speaker 2: you never know what's going to come at you. But
31:21
Speaker 2: it's a real battle for resources out there. So anyway,
31:25
Speaker 2: I eventually I managed to get mom and MRII and
31:29
Speaker 2: came back. Yeah, brain cancer. And then I chased a
31:33
Speaker 2: neurosurgeon that had operated on her previously all around the
31:38
Speaker 2: place until I got him on the phone, terrorized everybody
31:40
Speaker 2: until I got him. You know how hearted us to
31:43
Speaker 2: get to a neurosurgeon. I did, and he said he
31:47
Speaker 2: ranged me and said, I hear you have been chasing
31:50
Speaker 2: me around and you want to talk to me. I said, yeah,
31:51
Speaker 2: do you remember Isabelle? I said yes, I remember Isabelle.
31:55
Speaker 2: I said, well, she's in trouble again. She needs to
31:56
Speaker 2: help me to get down here on Tuesday and we'll operate.
31:59
Speaker 2: So he did. He operated, fantastic, amazing surgeon took out
32:04
Speaker 2: this massive tumor which was the size of a great
32:06
Speaker 2: brud in her brain, and then they did the pathology
32:11
Speaker 2: on it, and of course it came back a very
32:13
Speaker 2: aggressive c in eslam foma. Nothing we can do, Nothing
32:16
Speaker 2: we can do. She's going to die. You know. That
32:18
Speaker 2: is very quick and it will be only a matter
32:20
Speaker 2: of weeks and she won't survive. Now I've written another
32:23
Speaker 2: book called Watcher Oncologist isn't telling you. I've interviewed all
32:26
Speaker 2: the top people in the world of the metabolic approach
32:29
Speaker 2: to cancer. I went full bore. I put fifteen doctors
32:32
Speaker 2: on her team. I went everything from peptides through to
32:37
Speaker 2: the ketogenic diets, to doing more hyperbaric, to intervene in
32:41
Speaker 2: spidermin c to off labor drug combinations that blocked the
32:45
Speaker 2: food to cancer. It took us twelve weeks. I also
32:49
Speaker 2: did temes olamide, which was a type of chemotherapy that
32:53
Speaker 2: an advanced genetic test that I had done in Greece
32:59
Speaker 2: showed me respond to. So I had to chase all
33:01
Speaker 2: around the country to get that. And so I went
33:04
Speaker 2: both sides in this case because we had weeks to
33:07
Speaker 2: live and you know, no other no other options. I
33:09
Speaker 2: would have preferred not to have had to have that,
33:11
Speaker 2: but I decided to do that anyway. And yeah, twelve
33:16
Speaker 2: weeks later we were clear on the MRI of any tumors.
33:23
Speaker 2: And she's been in remission ever since. So you never
33:26
Speaker 2: want to say you're cured. We've got another MRI coming
33:29
Speaker 2: up lately this month, and I'm like this, and I
33:33
Speaker 2: stay very much on my toes. I have a whole
33:36
Speaker 2: arsenal of supplements and things, and you know, she has
33:40
Speaker 2: a very strict diet. She has all sorts of incredible
33:46
Speaker 2: you know, peptides and things that she's on and hopefully
33:48
Speaker 2: we'll win. Hopefully we're still winning. At the end of
33:51
Speaker 2: this month, we will know again where we're at. But
33:54
Speaker 2: you know, we've had another four years of good quality
33:58
Speaker 2: of life. I mean she said other dramas gone and
34:01
Speaker 2: broken her hip and things like that. In the middle
34:03
Speaker 2: had sepsis. You know the amount of times, Michelle, that
34:06
Speaker 2: I've been told that she's dying and this is the
34:08
Speaker 2: end and there is nothing you can do, and you know,
34:12
Speaker 2: sign this advanced care planning, which is their right to
34:15
Speaker 2: knock you off. Never sign those things. And the amount
34:20
Speaker 2: of times that she's been told that, and you know,
34:22
Speaker 2: like you've just got to accept Lisa that she's going
34:25
Speaker 2: to die, you know, And I'm like, well, no, if you,
34:29
Speaker 2: I'm not. And Mum is the same, you know, like, yes,
34:33
Speaker 2: one day we will die. You know, I've lost I've
34:35
Speaker 2: lost my dad, I've lost a baby. I know what
34:38
Speaker 2: it is to go through grief. I know what it
34:40
Speaker 2: is to lose what love wants. But I'm not I'm
34:44
Speaker 2: not a I'm a fighter. I'm a warrior. I'm not
34:47
Speaker 2: going to give up until the very last second, you know,
34:51
Speaker 2: Like that's just who I am. And people don't like that.
34:54
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, you know You've got to just let go.
34:57
Speaker 1: Why why life is PASSI as you've been dealing with
35:01
Speaker 1: the allopathic medical community rather than the functional if I mean,
35:06
Speaker 1: you have a lot of functional connections on this, I do. Yeah,
35:11
Speaker 1: the people that are telling you that are not the
35:13
Speaker 1: people that are in the functional world. They want to
35:17
Speaker 1: find solutions, and you know, some of them are extreme
35:21
Speaker 1: enough to believe in immortality. So let's just say. You know,
35:26
Speaker 1: it's all about who you're networking with exactly.
35:30
Speaker 2: So I'd rather be with those guys than the standard allopathy. Unfortunately,
35:35
Speaker 2: you need them right like you're in the.
35:37
Speaker 1: Situation operations exactly in a crisis. You know that is
35:43
Speaker 1: the modality. But you know you need to combine those
35:47
Speaker 1: to get and you are just tenacious. You know that
35:50
Speaker 1: your tenacity should be in an Olympic award.
35:58
Speaker 2: You have to fight like in the system like and
36:02
Speaker 2: even then you don't want let alone people who don't fight,
36:05
Speaker 2: you know. I just feel so sorry for people who
36:08
Speaker 2: don't have feisty you know, sons and daughters that can
36:11
Speaker 2: fight for them, or older people who who are alone.
36:15
Speaker 2: You know, I just see people dying unnecessarily early, you know,
36:21
Speaker 2: and it's to me, it's you know, like that's all told,
36:25
Speaker 2: Oh there's nothing we can do, you know, it's it's
36:28
Speaker 2: just and then they dehydrate them to death, and they
36:31
Speaker 2: don't you know, like for me, this is inhumane. And
36:34
Speaker 2: they give it a name, they give it a protocol name,
36:37
Speaker 2: you know, and and that to me makes it okay
36:40
Speaker 2: that you know that you don't provide.
36:43
Speaker 1: People put a name that means they can just forget
36:46
Speaker 1: about it. They put it in a box with a
36:47
Speaker 1: frame around the legal Yeah. Yeah, that frame kind of
36:51
Speaker 1: is you know, self defining and basically you know, has
36:56
Speaker 1: its uh termination of the life life as part of
37:01
Speaker 1: the ingredients that are in that within that frame. So
37:05
Speaker 1: they give up, they give up too soon, and they
37:08
Speaker 1: they and they look for alternatives that are are you know,
37:12
Speaker 1: not are not productive to the the outcome. So more
37:19
Speaker 1: more drugs, more you know, uh invasive treatments, but not
37:24
Speaker 1: the things that will help to heal at the source.
37:26
Speaker 1: That's the problem with allopathic medicine is they're trying to
37:30
Speaker 1: heal symptoms or cure symptoms, but they're not looking for
37:34
Speaker 1: the root cause. And that's what you so there in
37:39
Speaker 1: the process that you start pushing the limits, which is,
37:42
Speaker 1: by the way, is the perfect name for you pushing anything.
37:47
Speaker 1: Bribe you better than than that. So where did the
37:50
Speaker 1: podcast begin? I know it. I know you've been doing
37:53
Speaker 1: it for a longer about double me. I'm seven years
37:57
Speaker 1: and you're what about.
37:58
Speaker 2: I'm about living you and now I think so basically,
38:02
Speaker 2: I'd started the podcast before Mum got sick, not long before,
38:05
Speaker 2: but it was very much a running and performance in
38:07
Speaker 2: athletic performance podcasts at the very beginning, and then of
38:10
Speaker 2: course we Mum got sick, that flipped because then it
38:13
Speaker 2: went into you know, getting the right doctors on that
38:17
Speaker 2: I needed to talk to to help mum right, you know, selfishly,
38:20
Speaker 2: and then it morphed into other things, and you know
38:23
Speaker 2: that's why I've ended up interviewing all these cans of
38:25
Speaker 2: doctors as well and have a book now, and you know,
38:28
Speaker 2: like it's it's morphed over the years into different things
38:32
Speaker 2: as I've morphed and as I've changed, and as i've
38:35
Speaker 2: you know, and recently, Michelle, I've been really focusing not
38:39
Speaker 2: only on the longevity and health optimization sector, which of
38:42
Speaker 2: course I love, but also in self sovereignty and wealth,
38:47
Speaker 2: you know, which you would know a lot about probably,
38:49
Speaker 2: you know, like to me, so studying what's happening in
38:53
Speaker 2: our financial system and how we can protect our wealth
38:56
Speaker 2: going forward, and you know how we because all of
38:59
Speaker 2: this longevityestuff unfortunately costs a lot of money, and we
39:01
Speaker 2: need to if we're going to live longer, we're going
39:03
Speaker 2: to have to finance that living longer. And so for me,
39:06
Speaker 2: it's like a logical step to start now learning and
39:10
Speaker 2: you know, have been sort of for the last five years,
39:12
Speaker 2: like learning everything about the monetary system and how do
39:16
Speaker 2: we protect ourselves from government overreach, and of course what
39:20
Speaker 2: we experienced during COVID sort of broke my paradigm of
39:23
Speaker 2: how the governments can control your life completely if they
39:27
Speaker 2: decide to. You know, we were one of the you know,
39:30
Speaker 2: people that didn't believe that the vaccines you know, were good,
39:34
Speaker 2: for example, and so we were you know, cut out
39:36
Speaker 2: of society over here in New Zealand. And that sort
39:40
Speaker 2: of woke me up to hang, and we're not living
39:42
Speaker 2: in a democracy like I thought we were living in
39:43
Speaker 2: a democracy, and we're not living in a safe place.
39:46
Speaker 2: And so that really sent me down the rabbit hole
39:49
Speaker 2: of studying monetary history and the latest things that we have,
39:54
Speaker 2: you know, bitcoin and things like that.
39:55
Speaker 1: So well, you know, the thing is, Lisa, that I
39:58
Speaker 1: say this to everybody. It's very expensive for the average
40:03
Speaker 1: person to be able to support longevity. Huge the cost
40:09
Speaker 1: of treatments if you're going to be like I mean,
40:11
Speaker 1: not everybody's Brian Johnson right, the two million dollars a
40:16
Speaker 1: year on his health. I mean just going to for
40:18
Speaker 1: you know, plasma foresis or ebot or any of those
40:23
Speaker 1: that are you know, cutting edge. Even the pepties, I
40:26
Speaker 1: mean just injecting peptize like what three hundred and sixty
40:30
Speaker 1: five dollars if you're lucky and you can find somebody
40:33
Speaker 1: that's got a really good quality. Yeah. So anyway, you know,
40:36
Speaker 1: you add all that up, like you said your mother
40:39
Speaker 1: was on, you had your mom on numerous pepties, huge.
40:44
Speaker 2: Huge costs, huge cost so basically to finance you know,
40:52
Speaker 2: her saving her life. But you know, like at the
40:55
Speaker 2: end of the day, do you know, I mean, your
40:58
Speaker 2: loved ones are far more import more than your assets, right,
41:01
Speaker 2: So whatever it takes, once again is my motto. But
41:06
Speaker 2: now I'm sort of focusing on how can I make more?
41:09
Speaker 2: You know, not I don't want money for flash cars
41:12
Speaker 2: and flash houses and yachts and things. I want money
41:15
Speaker 2: so that I can get access to the right treatments
41:19
Speaker 2: that I need from my loved ones to I want
41:21
Speaker 2: to stay healthy and I want to be functional for
41:23
Speaker 2: as long as possible. I want the freedom that that
41:26
Speaker 2: brings as well, the freedom over my time and the
41:28
Speaker 2: freedom over my resources. And I want to be able
41:30
Speaker 2: to impact the world right And so I can't do
41:33
Speaker 2: that from a place of poverty, and so I have
41:36
Speaker 2: to try to work out not that I'll crack the
41:38
Speaker 2: code everybody like, you know, but how do I do
41:44
Speaker 2: that and understand So going and dip dive into this
41:47
Speaker 2: world as well as the longevity world, I think is
41:49
Speaker 2: very important because in the future, I think it's going
41:53
Speaker 2: to be important, Michelle, that we when we may have
41:56
Speaker 2: to leave our countries that we grew up in in
41:58
Speaker 2: order to go to places that respect property rights and
42:01
Speaker 2: your medical freedom rights and things like that, which is
42:04
Speaker 2: not what I want to entertain because I love my country.
42:08
Speaker 2: But I also understand that I don't want to be
42:11
Speaker 2: cut off from the technology that is coming down the
42:14
Speaker 2: pipeline and I can't access is because my country city
42:17
Speaker 2: is behind, you know, And so you doing what it
42:21
Speaker 2: can on the on the activism side here to create change,
42:25
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm not Tony Robbins and I'm not,
42:28
Speaker 2: you know, Joe Rogan, and I'm not. You don't have
42:31
Speaker 2: that bigger platform from which to build on. So it's
42:35
Speaker 2: a slow burn. And so you have to keep your
42:38
Speaker 2: options open and know, you know, what's happening out there
42:41
Speaker 2: in the world and what places are respecting people's rights
42:44
Speaker 2: to try things. Because the closer you get to the cliff,
42:48
Speaker 2: in other words, the closer you are to dying, the
42:51
Speaker 2: more you have to take risks that's right in order
42:54
Speaker 2: to you know, and you should have the right to
42:56
Speaker 2: take those risks in order to further science. I mean
42:59
Speaker 2: that that would be a logical people, you know, with
43:03
Speaker 2: conformed consent. But I would like to see, like I
43:06
Speaker 2: did a video this week on GBT four B and
43:10
Speaker 2: retro Sciences and their breakthroughs with the incredible work that
43:14
Speaker 2: they're doing with AI and being able to understand the
43:16
Speaker 2: M and archifectors better and reverse cellular aging and so
43:20
Speaker 2: on and so forth, and people are like, you know,
43:23
Speaker 2: like de Missus Savis, you know, famous scientists who won
43:28
Speaker 2: the Nobel Prizes, like We're going to solve and cure
43:30
Speaker 2: aging by twenty thirty five. And I'm going, yeah, you
43:34
Speaker 2: guys are going to do that. I have no doubt
43:36
Speaker 2: whatsoever that you guys are going to do that. Are
43:38
Speaker 2: the regulators, are the lobbyists, are the big farmer? Are
43:41
Speaker 2: they going to allow us to get access to it?
43:43
Speaker 2: Or they're going to tie it up in thirty years
43:45
Speaker 2: of clinical trials and see peptides and so on. Yeah.
43:50
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I always tell people that when I
43:52
Speaker 1: went to a four M three years ago, the keynote
43:55
Speaker 1: speaker was Peter Diamanders who he is and uh, and
44:02
Speaker 1: he basically said the same thing. He said, you know,
44:05
Speaker 1: what's happened in the last ten years is in the
44:09
Speaker 1: longevity health space is more cutting edge and exciting than
44:16
Speaker 1: what happened in the last hundred years. And AI of
44:20
Speaker 1: course plays a huge role in that. And then he
44:22
Speaker 1: and of course he and Tony Robbins have the Fountain
44:25
Speaker 1: of Life and they yeah, life, that's awesome book and
44:28
Speaker 1: so forth. So I think the good news that we
44:31
Speaker 1: can say there's a light at the end of the
44:33
Speaker 1: tunnel there is. There are more protocols available today than
44:39
Speaker 1: ever before. Again, affordability is one of the issues. Unfortunately
44:45
Speaker 1: the traditional medical community isn't It has not supported a
44:50
Speaker 1: lot of these new technologies because they can't patent them,
44:55
Speaker 1: and so they want to keep this basically as to
45:01
Speaker 1: ostracize those who are developing. So so it's a battle.
45:07
Speaker 1: It's still you know, being found. However, people like you, you know,
45:11
Speaker 1: always find a way to open the door.
45:15
Speaker 2: We keep trying in your face.
45:17
Speaker 1: You're still going to find an aperture to open that.
45:21
Speaker 2: Door, right, yeah, exactly. And you know, and on that front,
45:24
Speaker 2: like I've since we last spoke, I've started a biotech
45:28
Speaker 2: company and we're doing We've we've created a formulation called
45:33
Speaker 2: Rejuvenate pro or in the States it's called Selling and Restore.
45:37
Speaker 2: And you know, doctor Elizabeth Earth of the Wonderful Yet
45:42
Speaker 2: she's our scientific advisor who's helped us with the formulations,
45:46
Speaker 2: and her and I and our team have worked on
45:48
Speaker 2: a formulation for the last two years that is mind
45:51
Speaker 2: blowingly you know, I'm really proud of the work that
45:54
Speaker 2: we've put in and we've created this formulation when we
45:57
Speaker 2: decided to go after immunosinescence, so the aging of the
46:00
Speaker 2: immune system. So when Elizabeth and I were talking about,
46:04
Speaker 2: you know, like all this wackhamle approach of all the
46:07
Speaker 2: twelve hallmarks of aging and we've got to have this
46:09
Speaker 2: for that, and that for this, and this for that,
46:11
Speaker 2: and they end up with, you know, like you and
46:13
Speaker 2: I know, eighty supplements take every day and to try
46:17
Speaker 2: to affect all of these hallmarks of aging. And then
46:19
Speaker 2: we were studying the work of Dr David Furman at
46:22
Speaker 2: the one thousand Immunomist Projects. So he's the project lead
46:26
Speaker 2: at the Buck Institute and the Stanford University's one thousand
46:30
Speaker 2: immunemis Project, and this is the world's longest immunology study.
46:35
Speaker 2: And what they've so fifteen years and thousand people that
46:38
Speaker 2: followed over that period of time, and what they've come
46:41
Speaker 2: up with is that the immune system is really at
46:43
Speaker 2: the basis of all aging, Like it's really affects all
46:46
Speaker 2: of the hallmarks of aging. So we say, and so
46:49
Speaker 2: rather than doing the wakamole approach with a thousand things,
46:53
Speaker 2: we decided to follow that approach and go after immunosignescence,
46:57
Speaker 2: the aging of the immune system, because it's when you'remmune
47:00
Speaker 2: system goes down that you get all too immune, or
47:02
Speaker 2: cancer or viruses can get the wold of you, or
47:04
Speaker 2: you know, all of these things that take a lot
47:06
Speaker 2: of older people out. Is really the immune system not
47:10
Speaker 2: doing its job anymore properly, and so we've developed this
47:13
Speaker 2: formulation and it's a combination of things that have got
47:16
Speaker 2: a fifteen years with a clinical research behind the individual ingredients,
47:20
Speaker 2: and we're trying to do some studies now with the
47:22
Speaker 2: Buck Institute and Stanford hopefully we can get that up
47:25
Speaker 2: and running. We're still working on that using their iage
47:29
Speaker 2: test and their ieage test looks at different proteins to
47:33
Speaker 2: see how well your immune system is aging and whether
47:36
Speaker 2: we're having a win with our formulation in this case.
47:39
Speaker 2: So we want to do clinical trials with this. We've
47:42
Speaker 2: got lots of clinical data about clearing out viruses, about
47:45
Speaker 2: being antimiprobi or anti inflammatory antioxidant, you know, upregulates things
47:51
Speaker 2: like the NERF two pathway. It helps with leaky gap,
47:55
Speaker 2: which is the cause of a lot of problems for
47:57
Speaker 2: many people, helps with biffidobacteria, lactopascillis, and it's a combination.
48:02
Speaker 2: Two of the ingredients are One is a kosterol way extract,
48:07
Speaker 2: which is a really powerful extract from colostrum, the first
48:11
Speaker 2: milk of the mammal right for the babies. And this
48:14
Speaker 2: is a super food from the get go because evolution
48:17
Speaker 2: has made it such that our most vulnerable babies get
48:20
Speaker 2: this for the very first thing that they need in
48:23
Speaker 2: order to develop their immune system. Get the immunoglobulins, the
48:27
Speaker 2: transfer factors, the growth factors, all across to the baby.
48:30
Speaker 2: Now as adults we can also benefit from that, but
48:34
Speaker 2: we've taken out the things that we don't need, the fat,
48:36
Speaker 2: the lactose, that type of thing, and we've kept all
48:40
Speaker 2: the bioactives from immuneulois. The ingredient that we've used, which
48:44
Speaker 2: is a standardized, really powerful colosterol way extract, and there's
48:48
Speaker 2: over twelve thousand studies just on colosterum alone, you know,
48:51
Speaker 2: and the problem has always been standardizing it, and that's
48:54
Speaker 2: why this is a very powerful extract. And then we've
48:57
Speaker 2: used from New Zealand cows another product, immune Defense Proteins,
49:02
Speaker 2: which is a bioactive way protein suite of fifty bioactive
49:05
Speaker 2: wave proteins. And this was developed by nature over evolution
49:09
Speaker 2: of time to protect the cow from infection and inflammation
49:14
Speaker 2: on the inside of the other you like, because they
49:17
Speaker 2: have a dirty little cow suckling every day on it
49:21
Speaker 2: and being milked and sort of so they can get
49:24
Speaker 2: a lot of infections, and so evolution has over time
49:27
Speaker 2: created this bioactive suite and it's mostly lactiferin, so forty
49:32
Speaker 2: percent of it is lactiferin. Farin is the most incredible.
49:36
Speaker 2: If you look up lactoferin and what lactiferin does like,
49:39
Speaker 2: they have biannual conferences for the last thirty years on
49:42
Speaker 2: the wonders of lacto firin and it's so such a
49:44
Speaker 2: powerful positive ingredient for us. But this IDP has got
49:51
Speaker 2: a supporting suite of all these forty eight other active
49:56
Speaker 2: bioactive weave proteins. And what they found was that they
49:59
Speaker 2: were trying to get a better quality lack of feran
50:01
Speaker 2: when they first started researching, and they stripped out all
50:05
Speaker 2: the other bioactive way proteins from it and they left
50:07
Speaker 2: just the lack of far and the more they stripped
50:09
Speaker 2: it out, the weaker it became. What they found was
50:13
Speaker 2: that the synergy of all of this together was a
50:15
Speaker 2: much powerful, more powerful which makes sense because evolution had
50:20
Speaker 2: created this suite of fifty bioactives together to work together.
50:25
Speaker 2: So if you think of it like the American football
50:27
Speaker 2: team and you've got the quarterback that would be lack
50:29
Speaker 2: of ferent and he's the most important player on the
50:32
Speaker 2: field apparently, but he needs his supporting players around him
50:37
Speaker 2: to shine right in order to really be good. And
50:40
Speaker 2: so that's sort of the analogy. So we've put these
50:43
Speaker 2: two ingredients together. And then we have coor co which
50:46
Speaker 2: is not Carver, which is from the Islands, but coor
50:49
Speaker 2: coor which is a New Zealand indigenous Maori medicine that's
50:54
Speaker 2: been around for hundreds of years here it's only in
50:57
Speaker 2: New Zealand, and it regulates the NRF two pathway, which
51:02
Speaker 2: is your endogenous antioxidant capacity, so very very powerful for that,
51:09
Speaker 2: and it down regulates the inflammatory cytokines like interluken one
51:13
Speaker 2: better and interluken six, which are the cytokines of aging
51:16
Speaker 2: that go up as we get older anyway, and we
51:18
Speaker 2: get the systemic chronic inflammation, and so it works on
51:22
Speaker 2: all of these inflammatory cytokines, and then it supports a
51:26
Speaker 2: cytokine called interluken ten, which is a very pro sorry
51:30
Speaker 2: anti inflammatory cytokine. So it's a positive one that goes
51:34
Speaker 2: down so il one better and the ile six. So
51:38
Speaker 2: these go up and the other one's down, and so
51:41
Speaker 2: we want to modulates the immune system. It's not boosting it,
51:45
Speaker 2: it's modulating it. And then the final ingredient that we
51:48
Speaker 2: got in it is carnosic acid from the rosemary plant.
51:54
Speaker 2: Conossic acid we particularly win after this one. It also
51:58
Speaker 2: does a bit of overlapping stuff with the cover the
52:00
Speaker 2: inner f to the interlukens again, but it's also lowers
52:07
Speaker 2: something called CXCL nine, which in the one Thousand Immunomes
52:11
Speaker 2: project came out as being one of the most important
52:14
Speaker 2: proteins for lowering your cardiovascular risk and modulating your immune system.
52:20
Speaker 2: And it's a very very the only one that we've
52:23
Speaker 2: found of a natural supplement source that wasn't a drug
52:26
Speaker 2: that lowers the xCl nine, which they've identified as being
52:29
Speaker 2: one of the major players as far as your immune
52:32
Speaker 2: systems aging is concerned. So that's what the colossic acid
52:35
Speaker 2: helps with. It's also very neuroprotective, so you know, if
52:39
Speaker 2: you've got any aging brain related issues, that's very positive
52:43
Speaker 2: for that as well. So yeah, altogether, this is a
52:47
Speaker 2: very powerful I mean, without giving you an hour science
52:50
Speaker 2: because it could, but yeah, this is called self restore
52:54
Speaker 2: in the States, and it's we have our distributors are
52:57
Speaker 2: just getting it in the States. This very weak.
53:00
Speaker 1: Actually, I have you get me some so I absolutely
53:04
Speaker 1: you know what, here's a really great idea. Let me
53:08
Speaker 1: try it for how long do you think I would
53:10
Speaker 1: need to use it to see some change?
53:12
Speaker 2: I would like ideally I would give to you for
53:15
Speaker 2: like ninety days, so you know, like I'll send you
53:19
Speaker 2: over enough for ninety days, Michelle to take a couple
53:21
Speaker 2: of days. And what would it be ideal with if
53:24
Speaker 2: you can take your blood taste before and.
53:28
Speaker 1: After my blood work, So this will be great, yeah,
53:32
Speaker 1: perfect timing. Well, the reason I'm saying this if I
53:35
Speaker 1: do it for ninety days and then you know, I
53:39
Speaker 1: personally have some improvements of success because everybody, everybody needs
53:45
Speaker 1: to see in this, in this toxic environment we live in.
53:50
Speaker 1: So can I write an article now for Top Doctor
53:53
Speaker 1: magazine and I would do an article on you and
53:58
Speaker 1: Elizabeth isn't and make sure that people know about this
54:03
Speaker 1: because they have a huge audience.
54:07
Speaker 2: That'll be incredible, going to be.
54:09
Speaker 1: Follow up on the podcast. But I can help you.
54:12
Speaker 1: I could be a steward for you if if I
54:16
Speaker 1: see you it's working. It sounds like it's amazing.
54:19
Speaker 2: It is. It is it is, and what's your olymphocyte
54:23
Speaker 2: counts and things like your olympicyites, because as you get older,
54:26
Speaker 2: your olympicyte count goes down like and so that affix
54:28
Speaker 2: all of your ratios the olympocytes are really so I've
54:32
Speaker 2: just also developed Michelle a immune age calculator, and I'm
54:39
Speaker 2: still working with the developers, so it's not available commercially,
54:41
Speaker 2: but hopefully soon if my developers can get it to
54:44
Speaker 2: do what it's meant to do. But this breaks down
54:47
Speaker 2: all your immune So you put in your CBC that
54:49
Speaker 2: you put in your neutrophils, your olympicytes, your monocytes, your cynophils,
54:53
Speaker 2: your d e W if you can, your HSCRP, and
54:57
Speaker 2: your monocytes and platelests, and then it gives us all
55:01
Speaker 2: of the ratios like a neutrail, lymphosite ratio, lymphites, monocyte, monocyte,
55:06
Speaker 2: you know, your platelet to limp side, et cetera. And
55:09
Speaker 2: all of these ratios give us more detailed, nuanced information
55:13
Speaker 2: about what's actually going on in your immune system and
55:16
Speaker 2: where you particularly need to work. And one of the
55:19
Speaker 2: main things that our formulation we know helps with is
55:23
Speaker 2: the lymphocyte count, which is the most critical one that
55:26
Speaker 2: goes down as you age, so really watch out for
55:29
Speaker 2: that one. And if you're doing things like microbiome testing,
55:32
Speaker 2: you might see that yours oniline levels improve and your
55:35
Speaker 2: col protect and your inflammatory markers improve and things like that,
55:38
Speaker 2: and your autoimmune markers, your A and A if you
55:41
Speaker 2: have that type of thing going on, could because also
55:44
Speaker 2: see improvements. So we yeah that I'm really keen to
55:48
Speaker 2: get this calculator out. I've still got some development work
55:51
Speaker 2: to do on this, but I see this calculator also
55:54
Speaker 2: being a really powerful thing for practitioners and for the
55:57
Speaker 2: laid public, because then they're going to be able to
56:00
Speaker 2: put their standard CBC in and optionally you can put
56:04
Speaker 2: in your CRP and your RW which will give us
56:07
Speaker 2: more accuracy. But if you don't have those, you can
56:09
Speaker 2: just put your CBC in, which everybody gets, and it's
56:14
Speaker 2: going to be very very reasonably priced, and it's going
56:17
Speaker 2: to be a thing that you can track over time
56:20
Speaker 2: to see how your immune system is working. So I'm
56:23
Speaker 2: really excited to get this app out, but it's a
56:26
Speaker 2: little way off yet.
56:28
Speaker 1: LISTA sorry to interprete's a calculator? Do you have to
56:31
Speaker 1: do any does you have to extract any blood or
56:33
Speaker 1: is it all done by.
56:35
Speaker 2: Yes, So you have to come with your blood results.
56:38
Speaker 2: That's the thing at the moment. So you you know,
56:40
Speaker 2: when you go and get your standard blood tests you
56:42
Speaker 2: know from your doctor every six months or whatever. You
56:46
Speaker 2: you just take those numbers and just plug them in
56:49
Speaker 2: your neutral fields, you look for sites, et cetera, and
56:51
Speaker 2: then it does the calculations and gives your report based
56:55
Speaker 2: on that, and then we're working now on developing personalized
56:58
Speaker 2: reports off the back of that. There's a bit of
57:01
Speaker 2: you know, development work still to be done.
57:02
Speaker 1: But honestly, you could get that GBG. You could use
57:06
Speaker 1: AI and just do the same thing. Couldn't you just say, okay,
57:10
Speaker 1: here's my results. What does this mean?
57:15
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I mean to it. It's not rocket science.
57:18
Speaker 2: But we've we've come up with a so we've got
57:20
Speaker 2: the pan immune index and then we've got the systemic
57:23
Speaker 2: immune index. So these are sort of a little bit more.
57:26
Speaker 2: They're all scientifically validated ratios. You could go and do
57:29
Speaker 2: the work for sure, I chat if you wanted to.
57:33
Speaker 2: What we've also come up with is our own scientifically
57:37
Speaker 2: defensible but not proven index number. Right, So based on
57:42
Speaker 2: all of those ratios. We've given them a waiting so
57:45
Speaker 2: that you've got a single number that you can put
57:47
Speaker 2: in your head as to how well you're tracking overall,
57:51
Speaker 2: and then you can also break it down and you know,
57:53
Speaker 2: if you've got a high lmr alymphocite to monocyte ratio
57:58
Speaker 2: and you've had a history of cancer, you might want
58:00
Speaker 2: to go and get that checked, you know. Or if
58:03
Speaker 2: you've got a high mono site to limp a site ratio,
58:06
Speaker 2: then you may have to go and look at vascular issues,
58:09
Speaker 2: you know. So it gives you that more nuanced information,
58:13
Speaker 2: and it's going to be at a really good price
58:15
Speaker 2: point that I think will make it, you know, just
58:18
Speaker 2: a no brainer for people to go. Right, I'm just
58:20
Speaker 2: going to plug my blood values in. Hopefully we can
58:23
Speaker 2: work it out how you can just scan your blood
58:25
Speaker 2: tests and things. So that's all developer stuff that I
58:29
Speaker 2: don't know.
58:30
Speaker 1: What do you think what will the price point be?
58:32
Speaker 2: Well, it's going to be under fifty dollars. So we
58:35
Speaker 2: haven't we haven't, we haven't you know, finalized, but I
58:38
Speaker 2: really wanted to make it so that you can follow
58:40
Speaker 2: your trend data over time. You know, anybody can do
58:44
Speaker 2: this and practitioners can use this as well so that
58:47
Speaker 2: you can actually follow your clients and have a more
58:50
Speaker 2: nuanced look at what's actually going on. Because we all
58:54
Speaker 2: get the CBC, but if you're not running all of
58:57
Speaker 2: these indexes and and you're not getting that extra information out,
59:03
Speaker 2: you know that you could be giving you much more
59:06
Speaker 2: clarity on how well you're actually doing in your immune system.
59:09
Speaker 2: And as I said, the immune system is at the
59:11
Speaker 2: basis of all of the marks of aging. It's really
59:15
Speaker 2: affected all of them.
59:17
Speaker 1: So yeah, this is really exciting. So what kind of
59:21
Speaker 1: response have you had so far with your data testing?
59:25
Speaker 2: So I'm very much at the beginning, Michelle. So I'm
59:28
Speaker 2: still working with developers, so I've only been using it
59:30
Speaker 2: in my clinic, you know, like with the demo demo
59:34
Speaker 2: app at the moment, and it's been very helpful for
59:37
Speaker 2: me to break down to my clients what they need
59:40
Speaker 2: to be doing and to get more nuanced with what
59:42
Speaker 2: are my protocols that I'm developing. But we haven't gone
59:46
Speaker 2: out yet because of the development's not finished yet. So
59:50
Speaker 2: I will let you know when we are at that point,
59:52
Speaker 2: and maybe I can come on and talk a little
59:54
Speaker 2: bit more and we can take you through the process
59:57
Speaker 2: and you do yours, and we can track you over
1:00:00
Speaker 2: a couple of months or something like that. That would
1:00:03
Speaker 2: be you know, really gold.
1:00:06
Speaker 1: What is the cost of the product when you do
1:00:09
Speaker 1: go out to distribution.
1:00:10
Speaker 2: Oh so for the Seal Restore, our actual formulation that's
1:00:14
Speaker 2: hitting the stores in America in the next couple of weeks.
1:00:19
Speaker 2: Longevity Launch is our distributor, and I'm not exactly in
1:00:23
Speaker 2: New Zealand. It's the price point of eighty nine dollars
1:00:26
Speaker 2: New Zealand, which is about half of a year, So
1:00:29
Speaker 2: that would be half in the US market. So what's
1:00:34
Speaker 2: that about? About forty five US dollars for a month's supply. Yeah,
1:00:41
Speaker 2: so give a take a few dollars. I'm not quite
1:00:43
Speaker 2: sure what the final prices in America because we've got
1:00:45
Speaker 2: tariffs and all that sort of jazz going on at
1:00:47
Speaker 2: the moment. So you know, forgive me if I got
1:00:51
Speaker 2: that slightly wrong. But I'll be able to tell your
1:00:54
Speaker 2: listeners that shortly once they've received the received the first
1:00:59
Speaker 2: ship which is en route as we speak. That's been
1:01:02
Speaker 2: exciting in.
1:01:03
Speaker 1: Me the three months. Why don't you give me a
1:01:06
Speaker 1: link that put in I can have my assistant put
1:01:10
Speaker 1: in the show notes so people know it's coming and
1:01:14
Speaker 1: be looking out for it, and you know, then we'll
1:01:18
Speaker 1: do a follow up. That's what I like. I want
1:01:21
Speaker 1: to I want to get my own personal experience.
1:01:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I will send you some personal stuff over immediately,
1:01:29
Speaker 2: and then I'll hook you up with our distributors, Courtney
1:01:32
Speaker 2: from Longevity Launch, and make sure that you have the
1:01:36
Speaker 2: right links. Once I've got there, you know, their their
1:01:38
Speaker 2: systems set up and ready to go. And for anybody
1:01:42
Speaker 2: international that's listening, they can buy it directly off off
1:01:45
Speaker 2: my website. So under in New Zealand it's called Rejuvenate Pro.
1:01:49
Speaker 2: We wanted to have that in the States, but we
1:01:51
Speaker 2: had trademark issues so we had to you know, change
1:01:54
Speaker 2: the name. But yeah, so I will send you some
1:01:58
Speaker 2: links to the New Zealand.
1:02:02
Speaker 1: Yeah in the show notes. And would you know at
1:02:05
Speaker 1: least for ordering, if people are not on the in
1:02:08
Speaker 1: the US, they can order for your website. If they're
1:02:11
Speaker 1: in the US, they can order through Longevity Launch.
1:02:15
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:02:17
Speaker 1: Okay, that is fabulous. So I'm so excited about all
1:02:21
Speaker 1: the stuff that you've done. And before we go, I
1:02:24
Speaker 1: want to ask you one question. If you had to pick.
1:02:27
Speaker 1: In all those eleven years of people that you've interviewed,
1:02:31
Speaker 1: is there one or two guests that just stand out
1:02:35
Speaker 1: that you would like want everybody to know about to
1:02:38
Speaker 1: go research.
1:02:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean number one would be doctor Elizabeth Youth. Yes,
1:02:43
Speaker 2: she's she is the goat. She is the greatest of
1:02:46
Speaker 2: all times in my opinion.
1:02:48
Speaker 1: You know, no on my podcast, right, Yes I do.
1:02:51
Speaker 2: I think I introduced you.
1:02:54
Speaker 1: Thanks.
1:02:54
Speaker 2: She is. She is absolutely the most wonderful person and
1:02:59
Speaker 2: the most patient. She's my mum's physician, she's a scientific advisor,
1:03:03
Speaker 2: she's my mentor. She's absolute legends. So she would be
1:03:07
Speaker 2: my absolute number one. And then there is Oh my god,
1:03:11
Speaker 2: there's so many bloody brilliant people that I've interviewed. One
1:03:18
Speaker 2: I really love a real rebel is doctor Bill Clearfield
1:03:23
Speaker 2: from Nevada. And then Dr Thomas Levy. He is an
1:03:27
Speaker 2: absolute legend. Yeah, those are those are a few of
1:03:31
Speaker 2: my favorites. Doctor doctor dom Die Gastino, who was very
1:03:37
Speaker 2: cool as well super knowledgeable. Oh, there's just so many.
1:03:40
Speaker 2: I hate, I hate packing favorite children.
1:03:44
Speaker 1: The product just throw I mean the links. Send me
1:03:48
Speaker 1: those names because you and I have been really good
1:03:50
Speaker 1: about like you that Rob Silverman, Rob, he's awesome, and
1:03:58
Speaker 1: Elizabeth through you, and then I also met Kashift d
1:04:03
Speaker 1: Yes and I actually this month Tracy would you know?
1:04:07
Speaker 2: Tracy would No, I don't think.
1:04:09
Speaker 1: Okay, she's the new CEO of DNA company.
1:04:12
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I hadn't brought up with him for a while.
1:04:15
Speaker 1: Doctor Magazine. She's she's a subject for this month's article,
1:04:21
Speaker 1: this month being August. I'm sorry, we're in September. So
1:04:24
Speaker 1: September is doctor Nathan Bryan, who's.
1:04:26
Speaker 2: Also Oh yes, I love him as well.
1:04:29
Speaker 1: Yeah. Nitric oxide, which of course is so important for everybody.
1:04:35
Speaker 1: I take that every day one one Lozenger and my
1:04:39
Speaker 1: scores have gone like off the charts, and it maybe
1:04:42
Speaker 1: how that thing, how one lostenger can do.
1:04:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have I have two. Lozeng's mum has two
1:04:48
Speaker 2: a day. I have one a day.
1:04:49
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:04:50
Speaker 2: It means that she had blood fish is normalized, you know,
1:04:53
Speaker 2: like which is a miracle, you know.
1:04:55
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, we came to the end. I knew it
1:04:58
Speaker 1: would go buy so fast, and they just signaled me.
1:05:01
Speaker 1: So I wanted to say goodbye to you, but I
1:05:02
Speaker 1: wanted to be sure that we have covered everything for
1:05:06
Speaker 1: the viewers. And listeners today. So so basically what you're
1:05:10
Speaker 1: going to do is send links so that we can
1:05:13
Speaker 1: have people who want to.
1:05:14
Speaker 2: Order international links. And then I will also introduce you
1:05:19
Speaker 2: actually on email to Courtney so she can get the
1:05:21
Speaker 2: right links from their department. And I'm also yeah, and
1:05:25
Speaker 2: if anyone wants to listen to Pushing the Limits as
1:05:27
Speaker 2: my podcast or on my YouTube, just look up.
1:05:32
Speaker 1: That say that again so everybody gets it. We'll put
1:05:36
Speaker 1: it in.
1:05:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, Pushing the Limits is my podcast, so it's on
1:05:39
Speaker 2: all good podcast platforms. Lisatamaty dot com is my website
1:05:45
Speaker 2: at Lisa Tamadi. On YouTube, you'll find my YouTube channel
1:05:48
Speaker 2: where I do lots of exclusive content as well as
1:05:51
Speaker 2: the you know, the podcast interviews and yeah, it's love
1:05:56
Speaker 2: people to reach out. I also work with people you
1:05:59
Speaker 2: know consulting and and so on and so forth. So thanks, Michelle,
1:06:02
Speaker 2: I really appreciate you. You're just such a warrior for
1:06:05
Speaker 2: this industry and such an amazing person, you know, doing
1:06:10
Speaker 2: the work on the daily getting all this out there.
1:06:14
Speaker 1: Much chemistry between us is that we're so aligned in
1:06:17
Speaker 1: our vision of helping people. That number one our tenacity
1:06:22
Speaker 1: in fighting you know, any obstacles that come in front
1:06:26
Speaker 1: of us that will never give up. You know, we
1:06:29
Speaker 1: have that definitely in common, you know, just our passion
1:06:34
Speaker 1: for wellness and wanting to you know, embrace the possibilities.
1:06:40
Speaker 1: That's that's where I think the stewardship comes the visionary
1:06:44
Speaker 1: you know, That's that's where you can really be the
1:06:46
Speaker 1: best version of yourself if you take responsibility and don't
1:06:50
Speaker 1: wait for someone else to do it for you, because
1:06:52
Speaker 1: that's never going to work. You've got to be the
1:06:54
Speaker 1: one to lead. You have to be the CEO of
1:06:57
Speaker 1: your health as they.
1:06:58
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean of your own health. That's my
1:07:01
Speaker 2: that's my motto too, like don't outsource your health or
1:07:05
Speaker 2: wealth to anybody, no one person. Be self sovereign and
1:07:10
Speaker 2: everything you do.
1:07:11
Speaker 1: I will send you WhatsApp when we get off, I'll
1:07:14
Speaker 1: send you my uh mailing address. I'm so excited to
1:07:18
Speaker 1: be a part of your study here and I'll be
1:07:21
Speaker 1: a really good feedback for you.
1:07:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be absolutely epic because that's what we need.
1:07:27
Speaker 2: We need to do more clinical research and also just people.
1:07:33
Speaker 1: Individuals too, who are you very open minded who want
1:07:36
Speaker 1: to you know, see change and wanted to make improvements
1:07:39
Speaker 1: because they're always looking for those next uh you know,
1:07:43
Speaker 1: flagships that are going to you know, be the changes
1:07:46
Speaker 1: and then and they don't have to cost a bloody
1:07:48
Speaker 1: fortune like so many. All Right, well, you have a
1:07:53
Speaker 1: wonderful weekend and we'll be in touch and take you.
1:07:56
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for taking the time and sharing
1:07:59
Speaker 1: so much of out who you are and what makes
1:08:02
Speaker 1: you so unique and so special. So you know, I
1:08:06
Speaker 1: really love you.
1:08:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're a rockstar to Michelle. So you
1:08:09
Speaker 2: just keeping your epic mutual admiration society here.
1:08:15
Speaker 1: We do have that. But that's that's what it's all
1:08:17
Speaker 1: about in life, right all right, Lisa, thank you so much,
1:08:20
Speaker 1: and good luck to you.