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After young mom walks beach, her body found in bright green Xterra. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. This young mom, Tracy Lynn
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Speaker 1: Riker goes missing there in Venice. It's Venice, Florida. There
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Speaker 1: are a lot of Venices across our country, but this
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Speaker 1: is Venice, Florida. And adding to the complications, Tracy Lynn
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Speaker 1: Richer deeply religious. That's not the complication. The complication is that,
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Speaker 1: according to her husband, she had been going on the
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Speaker 1: beach and approaching people and this was just one of
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Speaker 1: the things she did and speak about the Lord. Did
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Speaker 1: she meet someone on the beach that took advantage of her?
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Speaker 1: What has happened to Tracy Richer? Also happening as Sara
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Speaker 1: Soota family searching for a missing woman. This is Tracy
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Speaker 1: Lynn Rieker of Venice. She disappeared five days ago, and
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Speaker 1: her family tells eight on your Side, they're desperate to
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Speaker 1: bring her home. I heard her children meet her. She's
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Speaker 1: the best mom in the whole wide world, and we
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Speaker 1: just need to get her back. That's her husband speaking.
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Speaker 1: He said his wife was having trouble sleeping before she disappeared.
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Speaker 1: He believes she maybe in a green Nissan Extera, also
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Speaker 1: missing from their home. You were just hearing our friends,
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Speaker 1: Stacy Shable at to FLA News Channel eight, What happened
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Speaker 1: to Tracy Lynn Riker? With me an all star panel
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Speaker 1: to break it down and put it back together again
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Speaker 1: with me. Kathleen Murphy. You know her well, veteran trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: family laws specialty in North Carolina and you can find
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Speaker 1: her at in C North Carolina, inca Domestic law dot com.
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Speaker 1: Doctor beth Any Marshall joining us psychoanalyst where I'm Beverly Hills.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
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Speaker 1: Karen Smith joining me out of LA. She is a
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Speaker 1: forensics expert. She is a lecturer at University of Florida
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Speaker 1: as she is the host of a hit new podcast,
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Speaker 1: Shattered Souls. Doctor Tim Gallagher, renowned medical examine joining me
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Speaker 1: out of the state of Florida, and we often hear
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Speaker 1: about medical examiners for this county or that county. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Gallagher is the medical examiner for the state of Florida
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Speaker 1: and you can find him at pathcaremd dot com. But
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Speaker 1: first to Nicole Pardon, Crime online dot com investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: what can you tell me about Tracy Lynn Richer? Nancy
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Speaker 1: Tracy Lynn Riker, forty four years old, a mother of four.
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Speaker 1: I've been looking through her pictures. I'm sure you have
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Speaker 1: as well. A beautiful beauty, a full blonde mother, very
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Speaker 1: active with her children, very loved among her neighbors, her
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Speaker 1: family and friends. She was just an all around American beauty.
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Speaker 1: She was very much into her faith, loved God and
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Speaker 1: loved sharing her faith with others. And certainly her family
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Speaker 1: and friends are suffering tragically due to her missing. You know,
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Speaker 1: to doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining me out in Beverly Hills,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not passing judgment at all, because I certainly
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Speaker 1: don't want anybody to pass judgment on me. Well, doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 1: a lot of people would mock her way of life,
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Speaker 1: which I deeply resent. They would think it's crazy to
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Speaker 1: walk up and down the beach and tell people about
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Speaker 1: the Lord that is part of her religion, that is
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Speaker 1: part of it. As a Christian, you're dicty commanded to
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Speaker 1: spread the Word of love through the Gospel. I mean,
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Speaker 1: think about it. That's why all the disciples would she
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Speaker 1: except for one, as you know well that was not
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Speaker 1: murdered for Christianity, but was exiled to an island. But
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Speaker 1: all the disciples would rather die than not spread the
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Speaker 1: word of the Gospel. So you know, the fact that
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Speaker 1: she's doing this, I've heard a lot of people pooh pooh.
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Speaker 1: It really makes me angry because she was following her faith,
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Speaker 1: and I feel what it's victim shaming, but more important
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Speaker 1: that it is attacking her because that was her faith. Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: she was what we call evangelical. Evangelical means that if
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Speaker 1: you have faith, you believe in it, and you want
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Speaker 1: to share it with other people. Not all religions are evangelical.
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Speaker 1: Some believe in keep in the faith to themselves, and
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Speaker 1: some belief that spreading it around is a good idea.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this. My parents were missionaries.
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Speaker 1: I'm actually an ordained minister. I've graduated from Full of
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Speaker 1: Theological Seminary in Pasadena, so I know a lot about this.
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Speaker 1: I was actually sent to evangelize when I was a child.
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Speaker 1: I did not know that part. What do you mean
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Speaker 1: you were sent to evangelize. You can't just throw that
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Speaker 1: out there, doctor Bethany me not follow up orders what
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Speaker 1: to share about Jesus Christ. And I tease my parents
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Speaker 1: now saying, you know, I could have been murdered and dismembered.
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Speaker 1: And here you sent me door to door when I
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Speaker 1: was thirteen to fourteen years old. And we all laugh
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Speaker 1: about it now, but it is a thing in religious
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Speaker 1: communities to share what you know and think about a Bethany.
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Speaker 1: You see the Mormons they sent and you always seeing
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Speaker 1: them on dart pants and I'm typically a short slave,
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Speaker 1: white shirt with the tie, and that's part of their mission.
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Speaker 1: I think they go for two years and they I
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Speaker 1: say proselyzed. I don't know if that's the right word.
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Speaker 1: But they share their religion and nobody makes fun of them.
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Speaker 1: But so a mom to walk up and down the
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Speaker 1: beach near her home and tell people about the Lord.
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Speaker 1: People are mocking it. And you know, you know, doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 1: nobody mocks it more than people and the media and
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Speaker 1: the team. If you believe what go hit me okay
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Speaker 1: at different aspects because I'm also a psychoanalyst and when
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Speaker 1: when people put themselves at risk because of meeting strangers.
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Speaker 1: One of the things we think about in my field
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Speaker 1: when we do a full evaluation of a patient is
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Speaker 1: something called excessive goal directed behavior. Well excessive what excessive
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Speaker 1: goal directed behavior? When you have a goal and you're
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Speaker 1: excessively energized and motivated to reach that goal. It can
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Speaker 1: also be a sign of bipolar illness. Now, I don't
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Speaker 1: want a victim shame and say she had bipolar, but
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Speaker 1: I think that it would be important to it to
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Speaker 1: know what. I don't like this. I don't like where
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Speaker 1: you're going, doctor Bethany because directions. No, I really do
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Speaker 1: not like it, and I very rarely disagree with you.
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Speaker 1: But just because she was sharing the gospel, you suddenly
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Speaker 1: are saying, I don't know, but maybe she's bipolar. I
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Speaker 1: don't like that. I don't you think it's empathic to
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Speaker 1: not just look through one lens, but to look through
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Speaker 1: multiple lenses. To hell, I think you're the one actually
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Speaker 1: looking through one lens because you think, if she's out
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Speaker 1: sharing the gospel, that hey, maybe she's bipolar. Why would
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Speaker 1: you even say that. I'm saying it's better to not know,
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Speaker 1: to leave our judgment by the door, and to look
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Speaker 1: at every possibility. Well why, I don't know why, just
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Speaker 1: because she would go along, suddenly he brought in bipolar
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Speaker 1: into it. Mothers don't often do that. Well maybe they don't,
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Speaker 1: but may so. I know. Nancy It's so complex Because
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Speaker 1: I am supportive of the fact that she was evangelizing,
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Speaker 1: I am also a psychoanalyst, and I want to think
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Speaker 1: of every possibility and I would want to know what
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Speaker 1: was her behavior like while she was evangelizing, not that
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Speaker 1: she was evangelizing. Was it erratic, was it excessive energetic?
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Speaker 1: Was she out at night late until early in the
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Speaker 1: wee morning hours? Like, No matter what a person does
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Speaker 1: in my field, we ask also, how are they doing it? Okay,
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Speaker 1: before I before I rail on you any further for
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Speaker 1: just you know, they said the Disciples are crazy too, Okay,
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Speaker 1: but they weren't. So let you just put that in
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Speaker 1: your pipe and smoke. At Miss Bethany Marshall Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, guys were talking about she really is beautiful.
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Speaker 1: Tracy Lynn Riker suddenly goes missing. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friend Kimberly Kazan at Fox thirteen, a wife and
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Speaker 1: mother of four. Tracy Riker's disappearance weighs heavy. This is
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Speaker 1: completely opposite of who Tracy is. Her husband, Christian Riker
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Speaker 1: says the last time he saw her was on September thirtieth,
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Speaker 1: around three am at their Venice home. She's having trouble
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Speaker 1: sleeping and wasn't eating a whole lot. When he woke up,
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Speaker 1: her cell phone and wallet were left behind, but Tracy
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Speaker 1: and her car were gone. Christian says his wife had
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Speaker 1: been focused on religion and talking to others about God.
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Speaker 1: She was so concerned about COVID she wouldn't go anywhere,
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Speaker 1: But the importance of her message just kind of has
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Speaker 1: freed her of that fear. I think interesting Tracy Allen
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Speaker 1: Riker goes missing. She is known to walk up and
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Speaker 1: down the beach near her home there in Venice, Florida,
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Speaker 1: spreading the word of the Gospel. Then she disappears straight
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Speaker 1: out to nicoleparton Crime online dot Com investigative reporter specifically
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Speaker 1: about out the beach. Was there any information glean that
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Speaker 1: she had ever been attacked or mistreated on the beach
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Speaker 1: when she would be sharing, no, nan clean, nothing at all.
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Speaker 1: I think it was very friendly conversation. She would approach
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Speaker 1: people and share the gospel, you know. Looking through her
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Speaker 1: social media, I found a few comments general statements like
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Speaker 1: enjoying God's creation today or I'm so blessed with the
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Speaker 1: family that God has given me. Nothing overbearing nothing that
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Speaker 1: would implify that she was a member of something cultish
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Speaker 1: or something that she was trying to pressure everyone into.
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Speaker 1: I think it was just light conversation and we have
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Speaker 1: no reason to believe that she had been mistreated or
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Speaker 1: that someone had tried to attack her or anything like
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Speaker 1: that while sharing the Gospel on the beach. Guys, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friend Kimer Lucasan at Fox thirteen.
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Speaker 1: The day before she disappeared, she'd been on Brenton Beach
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Speaker 1: spreading the message. I really think she was just going
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Speaker 1: to talk about God. I don't know if she meant
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Speaker 1: it to be an extended leave. Venice police are searching
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Speaker 1: for Tracy along with her friends and family. A Facebook
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Speaker 1: page created to help her nell has more than a
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Speaker 1: thousand followers. I'm absolutely worried that someone would take advantage
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Speaker 1: of her kindness and her free spirit and if she's
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Speaker 1: just out there trying to help people and groups of
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Speaker 1: Tracy's friends and strangers are searching beaches, parks and areas
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Speaker 1: Tracy was known to visit. Christian just wants to find
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Speaker 1: Tracy and bring her home. Tell us what your plan
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Speaker 1: is or to support whatever whatever you're trying to get done.
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Speaker 1: We just want to know you're okay, and let's you
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Speaker 1: know how much we love yet. Straight up to Karen
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Speaker 1: Smith joining me from LA. She is a forensics expert
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Speaker 1: lecturer University of Florida. She is the host of a
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Speaker 1: hit new podcast series called Shattered Sould Karen Smith. In
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Speaker 1: a case like this where the husband says she was
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Speaker 1: out on the beach spreading the gospel, where do you start?
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Speaker 1: It's like a needle in a haystack. Where do you
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Speaker 1: start the investigation? This is a tough one, Dancy. The
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Speaker 1: reporters say, was that her cell phone in her wallet?
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Speaker 1: Well left behind? That's concerning to me. Um, you know,
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Speaker 1: we've we've seen so many stories. So wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: how awful would you may not take your cell phone
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Speaker 1: and wallet out on the beach? Maybe not? It depends
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Speaker 1: did she have to drive to get to the beach
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Speaker 1: or was it a walking distance point beach? What point
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Speaker 1: was she at? You know, these are the things that
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Speaker 1: I start to thinking about think about as a detective,
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Speaker 1: is why would she leave her cell phone behind? That's
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Speaker 1: a lifeline, now, Nancy, nobody leaves home, even if you're
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Speaker 1: just going for a walk in the beach. You don't
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Speaker 1: leave your cell phone behind, so that is very concerning
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Speaker 1: to me. Well, and also I'm thinking about what you're saying.
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Speaker 1: I believe it was Bradenton Beach, wasn't it Brighton Beach?
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Speaker 1: Nicole Parton, That's correct, Jackie's saying, yes, Bradenton Beach. And
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Speaker 1: the other thing is, I don't think she had any
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Speaker 1: intention on swimming, and I believe she was last seeing
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Speaker 1: in a swimsuit. Haven't heard that, So I don't know
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Speaker 1: that she had you plan to actually get in the water,
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Speaker 1: which says to me she maybe should have or normally
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Speaker 1: would have taken her phone with her. But Karen Smith
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Speaker 1: is pointing out that her wallet and her cell phone
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Speaker 1: were where Karen back in the home. Correct, that's correct.
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Speaker 1: And you know, we also have to take into account
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Speaker 1: she's a grown woman, she has free will. She can
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Speaker 1: go where she wants, when she wants. She doesn't have
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Speaker 1: to tell her husband, she doesn't have to tell anybody.
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Speaker 1: She can go where she wants. So this is a
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Speaker 1: very complex case. And you know, starting from ground zero,
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Speaker 1: you start at the home and you work your way
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Speaker 1: out from there and see if there's any leads you
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Speaker 1: can pick up and following up on that to Kathleen Murphy,
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Speaker 1: North Carolina trial veteran family law expert at NCA Domestic
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Speaker 1: Law dot com. Kathleen Murphy following up on what Karen
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Speaker 1: Smith just said, why do you always start the investigation
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Speaker 1: at home? Because that is ninety nine percent of what
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Speaker 1: is happening. I see so much domestic violence against couples
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Speaker 1: or among couples who look picture perfect on Facebook and
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Speaker 1: they have presented to the world that they're financially sound
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Speaker 1: and that they're communicative and they're in love. But when
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Speaker 1: they come into my office, I hear the real story.
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Speaker 1: Karen Smith is spot on, you know. To doctor Tim Gallagher,
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Speaker 1: the medical examer for the State of Florida, in a home,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go follow up with Karen Smith after you,
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Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher, if you were looking in the home for evidence,
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Speaker 1: what would you be looking for as far as the
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Speaker 1: body goes, Doctor Gallagher, Well, I'd be looking number one
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Speaker 1: for was there a sign of a struggle? You know,
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Speaker 1: are things that are on the shelf, generally on the
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Speaker 1: shelves now on the floor. Are there scratches or a
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Speaker 1: furniture that may be knocked over or misplaced? Evidence? These
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Speaker 1: type of violent crimes often leave a lot of blood behind,
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Speaker 1: and sometimes you will see evidence that blood was left
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Speaker 1: behind and there was an attempt to clean it using
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Speaker 1: bleach or some sort of acid solution. Also looking for
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Speaker 1: the smells of those solutions. Why is it that one
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Speaker 1: room smells a lot like bleach or like a concentrated
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Speaker 1: cleaning solution. You know, these are the things that would
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Speaker 1: generate a thought that there may have been a violent
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Speaker 1: episode in that room. Dot de Gallagher? Is bleach bad
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Speaker 1: for infants for them to be around? It? Certainly is.
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Speaker 1: You know, bleach is a chlorine gas that is diluted
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Speaker 1: in water solution, so that chlorine gas is very caustic
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Speaker 1: and around infants, the infants whose lungs are developing, whose
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Speaker 1: lungs are growing and maturing, This is very caustic to
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Speaker 1: the progression of the development of lungs in infants. So
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Speaker 1: bleach and other cost of chemicals such as ammonia, you know,
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Speaker 1: should not be used in quarters that do house intents.
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Speaker 1: Isn't there a syndrome or disease? Is it Huntington's that
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Speaker 1: some people link to cleaning products? Well, you know, there
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Speaker 1: there is a thought, you know, within some part of
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Speaker 1: the middle medical community that these exposures do lead to
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Speaker 1: um breathing problems down the road. UM exposure to these
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Speaker 1: types of things have been known or have been alleged
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Speaker 1: to lead to asthma, to lead to pulmonary fibrosis with
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Speaker 1: the lungs lose their elasticity, and also to emphysema where
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Speaker 1: the air sex and the lungs have become expanded and
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Speaker 1: not able to contract and exchange air for exchange oxygen.
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Speaker 1: So there there's a lot of um thoughts there. But
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Speaker 1: you know, in working with infants and working with very
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Speaker 1: young people, is very difficult to do the actual experiments,
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Speaker 1: you know, to prove so a lot of that is
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Speaker 1: just based on observational data. I did not realize that
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Speaker 1: bleach was actually a chlorine compound. Is that what you said?
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Speaker 1: It certainly is. Yeah, Bleach is a chlorine that is
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Speaker 1: diluted in water. That's why you can smell it very
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Speaker 1: quickly because it comes out of solution very quickly, out
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Speaker 1: of the water and goes back into a gas and
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Speaker 1: that's what you're breathing. In crime Stories with Nancy Grace, guys,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about the disappearance of Tracy Lynn Riker,
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Speaker 1: a lovely young mom that was called had a calling
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Speaker 1: basically as a modern day missionary, as a mom and
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Speaker 1: spreading the Gospel. She was known to go up and
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Speaker 1: down the beach in Bradenton, Florida, not too far from
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Speaker 1: her home and talk about the Lord. Suddenly she goes missing.
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Speaker 1: You heard her husband begging for information. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to the husband, Christian Reich or talking to Fox thirteen Tampa.
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Speaker 1: We saw her, um, you know, probably about three in
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Speaker 1: the morning of the thirtieth. Um. You know, she's having
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Speaker 1: trouble sleeping and I wasn't eating a whole lot. UM
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Speaker 1: really focused on her religious out UM research and and
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Speaker 1: UM outreach and UM. So when we woke up, the
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Speaker 1: car was gone, and she was gone. Her her car
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Speaker 1: and her purse were still at home. And then UM
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Speaker 1: so we just you know, called called the authorities. UM
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Speaker 1: you know, I actually called her phone thinking that she'd
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Speaker 1: have it, and then notice that it was ringing in
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Speaker 1: in in the house. And UM. Then the next day,
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Speaker 1: when we hadn't seen her and she hadn't come home,
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Speaker 1: we actually and it's just been overwhelming that outreach, some
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Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of people reaching out and you know,
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Speaker 1: concerned about her. Let me follow up, Nicole Parton with
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Speaker 1: me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. He says he
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Speaker 1: saw her. Actually, he said we we saw her about
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Speaker 1: three am on the morning of the thirtieth. Tell me
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Speaker 1: about that three am. Why were they up at three am?
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Speaker 1: Just curious? Well, that's a good question, And when he
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Speaker 1: kept referring to we, it's it's a huge assumption that
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Speaker 1: he's meaning the children, although when questioned later, it appears
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Speaker 1: that he saw her around three am in the bed
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Speaker 1: in the bedroom early that morning, and I guess he
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Speaker 1: went to sleep thinking that she was going to sleep,
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Speaker 1: But then he said she'd been having problems sleeping, so
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Speaker 1: sometimes she would get up in the middle of the night.
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Speaker 1: Then when he woke at six am the next morning
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Speaker 1: for the family to start their day, that's when he
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Speaker 1: and the child would realized that the suv was gone.
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Speaker 1: She was gone. Her wallet and cell phone were laying
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Speaker 1: on the table where she had placed them the night before,
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Speaker 1: and that's when he made the call to nine one.
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Speaker 1: Nancy quick quick point. It would not be unusual for
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Speaker 1: a dad to say we saw her. If he's identified
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Speaker 1: as being a part of the family with children. Even
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Speaker 1: if it was only him in the bed, it just
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Speaker 1: means he's very identified with being a part of a group.
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Speaker 1: I agree. It may have been as simple as she
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Speaker 1: got up and it woke him up, and he saw her,
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Speaker 1: and he's like, what time is it? Is it time
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Speaker 1: to get up? I do that when I wake up
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, for whatever reason, I
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Speaker 1: always look at my cell phone what time is it
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Speaker 1: time to get up? So that maybe how he could
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Speaker 1: identify that was three am. If they were up at
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Speaker 1: three am, I want to know were they having an argument,
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Speaker 1: were they partying? What were they doing up at three am?
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Speaker 1: But it sounds like he was asleep and woke up
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Speaker 1: and saw her. That's what it sounds like to me.
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Speaker 1: We don't know that specifically. Also, the suv, what color
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Speaker 1: would make Nicole parton the suv you said is missing?
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Speaker 1: Tell me what we know about that. I know it
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Speaker 1: was a very unique color of green, right, it was
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Speaker 1: a very unique color of green. A Nissan Xtera. So
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Speaker 1: this is a really large suv with the roll bars
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Speaker 1: on top, um u duller and he, you know, he
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Speaker 1: says the car was missing. And I also want to
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Speaker 1: point out. It was mentioned earlier about going to the beach.
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Speaker 1: The beach was not in walking distance from her home,
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Speaker 1: so she would have to drive to the beach. So
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Speaker 1: normally you would think that if she had driven, she
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Speaker 1: would have taken her driver's license, her wallet, something like that.
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Speaker 1: But the SUV green in color with the rollbar on
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Speaker 1: top was missing, but her wallet, driver's license were in
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Speaker 1: the home. You know, I looked it up. The day
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Speaker 1: that she went missing was a Wednesday, September thirty, twenty twenty.
22:07
Speaker 1: That was a Wednesday. So all this is happening during
22:11
Speaker 1: a week the week, and that is significant too, wouldn't
22:14
Speaker 1: you agree, Karen Smith, Because your weekday routine and schedule
22:19
Speaker 1: is different from your weekend. I mean I get up
22:23
Speaker 1: at five every day during the week. On the weekends,
22:28
Speaker 1: I might sleep until six, So it changes the timeline
22:32
Speaker 1: for me, Karen Smith. It changes it for me too.
22:34
Speaker 1: But we are in extraordinary times right now, Nancy, and
22:37
Speaker 1: everybody's routine is shifted. So I'm getting up at six
22:40
Speaker 1: o'clock every day. I don't even know half the time
22:42
Speaker 1: what day it is. With COVID, so you know, I
22:46
Speaker 1: don't know what their actual routine was now six months
22:50
Speaker 1: into this as it was opposed to before, So we
22:53
Speaker 1: have to take all of that into consideration as well.
22:55
Speaker 1: That's a really good point. Guys. Take a listen to
22:58
Speaker 1: Christian Riker now talking to Foxtein Tampa. There's been UM,
23:02
Speaker 1: literally hundreds of people being out looking for UM. We're
23:06
Speaker 1: focusing on preserves similar to this. Speeches, nature are things
23:11
Speaker 1: that she really enjoys. UM. She doesn't have UM like
23:15
Speaker 1: a specific church that she's been working with UM locally
23:19
Speaker 1: because of covid UM. But the last six months religion
23:23
Speaker 1: has been a big importance to her. So we you know,
23:26
Speaker 1: looking at churches anywhere that that people are because she
23:30
Speaker 1: just wants to talk about God and UM, you know,
23:34
Speaker 1: her her discoveries and and you know, trying to share
23:38
Speaker 1: the message that that she she has to to share
23:41
Speaker 1: with with anyone that is wanting to listen. So UM,
23:45
Speaker 1: we've had a couple of potential sightings of both her
23:48
Speaker 1: and my vehicle. UM. The vehicle is a very distinct vehicle.
23:51
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a whole color green. Um, you
23:55
Speaker 1: can't miss it. Interesting whole green did he say my vehicle?
23:59
Speaker 1: There have been several sightings of my vehicle. So this
24:02
Speaker 1: wasn't her car? Did they share a car? Did they
24:04
Speaker 1: have two cars? Do we know that, Nicole Parton? They
24:06
Speaker 1: did have two cars, and he kind of calls both
24:11
Speaker 1: of them my vehicles. So I'm not quite sure the
24:13
Speaker 1: understanding that they had with that, but I do believe
24:16
Speaker 1: that she did drive this nissanic stair most of the time. Okay,
24:20
Speaker 1: halt green is the way he's describing it, and that's
24:23
Speaker 1: a green you never forget, guys. Another thing I'm hearing
24:27
Speaker 1: to Nicole Parton Crime online dot Com investigative reporter is
24:31
Speaker 1: he says the vehicle halt green. You can't miss it.
24:35
Speaker 1: He says that there were several sightings of her and
24:40
Speaker 1: the vehicle. What do we know about that, Nicole? He
24:42
Speaker 1: is the only one to say that police are not
24:45
Speaker 1: confirming that. Other family members that I have been in
24:48
Speaker 1: contact with have not confirmed that. But he is the
24:51
Speaker 1: only one who has said that there have been sightings
24:54
Speaker 1: of her or the vehicle. M Okay, take a listen
24:57
Speaker 1: to our kind of number six Christian Rikers still speaking
25:00
Speaker 1: to thoughts. I really think um, she was just going
25:05
Speaker 1: to to talk about God. I don't know if she
25:08
Speaker 1: meant it to be an extended leave, you know, the
25:13
Speaker 1: morning or the day before she did leave to go
25:15
Speaker 1: to Bradenton Beach, UM to do exactly that talk about God. Um.
25:20
Speaker 1: You know, even the week prior she was so concerned
25:23
Speaker 1: about COVID she wouldn't go anywhere. UM. But you know
25:27
Speaker 1: the importance of her message just kind of has um
25:30
Speaker 1: freed her of that fear. I think and UM, like
25:33
Speaker 1: I said, UM, she she hasn't been sleeping or um
25:37
Speaker 1: eating um the way that the most people would. There
25:40
Speaker 1: was a day of prayer UM the Saturday before I believe,
25:43
Speaker 1: on the twenty sixth. That was a national event that
25:45
Speaker 1: she was supporting. And UM. You know I think that
25:49
Speaker 1: you know, excited and invigorated her message in her in
25:53
Speaker 1: her mind, but it also maybe made it so she's
25:56
Speaker 1: not thinking um as she would normally. Interesting, you're hearing
26:00
Speaker 1: the husband's spake. Here's more, buddy, Topox thirteen. Listen carefully.
26:04
Speaker 1: She's been gone for almost a week now and no
26:07
Speaker 1: one knows where she is. And she's an amazing mother.
26:12
Speaker 1: She would not have her kids worried. We haven't told
26:15
Speaker 1: the two youngest yet, but the two oldest are aware
26:19
Speaker 1: and just frightened and don't know what to think is
26:23
Speaker 1: completely against her character to to leave. I mean, anytime
26:26
Speaker 1: she goes anywhere, she you know how long she's going
26:29
Speaker 1: to be, she'll she'll call her text a few times
26:31
Speaker 1: in between let us know when she's on her way back.
26:33
Speaker 1: So this is completely opposite of who Tracy is. And
26:37
Speaker 1: um so it's it's just alarming. And like I said,
26:41
Speaker 1: just a couple of days prior, she just wasn't quite herself.
26:55
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys who were talking about
27:01
Speaker 1: the disappearance of Tracy Ellen Richer, who has made it
27:04
Speaker 1: a habit to go speak about the gospel on Bradenton Beach,
27:08
Speaker 1: not far from her home. We're hearing from the husband
27:11
Speaker 1: only that there were sightings of the vehicle. It's a
27:15
Speaker 1: Nisan exteror Bright Bright Green, halt Green. He says that
27:21
Speaker 1: there are a couple of sightings of it. Police are
27:23
Speaker 1: not confirming that. So what happened? She is seen at
27:26
Speaker 1: three am in the morning in the bedroom. At six
27:29
Speaker 1: am when dad wakes up, she's gone, leaving behind her
27:32
Speaker 1: cell phone and her wallet. What happened to Tracy Richer? Now?
27:40
Speaker 1: One thing I'm noticing. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer
27:44
Speaker 1: and you can find her at NCA Domestic law dot com. Kathleen,
27:48
Speaker 1: when a husband is involved in the wife's disappearance, you
27:52
Speaker 1: don't always let me just say, typically you don't typically
27:56
Speaker 1: see them speaking so freely to the news media. I mean,
28:01
Speaker 1: think about it. Drew Peterson, remember him, he killed at
28:06
Speaker 1: least two wives. He would wave at the media, he'd
28:11
Speaker 1: occasionally say something, he would antagonize the media, but he
28:17
Speaker 1: wouldn't come right out and speak about the facts surrounding
28:20
Speaker 1: the disappearance of fourth wife, Stacy Peterson. Scott Peterson gave
28:24
Speaker 1: one disastrous interview where he referred to his wife in
28:29
Speaker 1: the past tense. But he wasn't at the vigil. He
28:32
Speaker 1: wasn't at the forefront speaking out. But this guy is
28:37
Speaker 1: speaking out. He's not afraid of the bright lights of
28:41
Speaker 1: a camera. What does that tell you, Kathleen. It's helping.
28:44
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a good criminal defense attorney, and I
28:47
Speaker 1: can't help but think of when Chris Watts was standing
28:51
Speaker 1: in front of the TV and it was all caught,
28:54
Speaker 1: and after it was all caught on the TV, he
28:57
Speaker 1: came out and spoke, and he's so nervous and so fidgety,
29:00
Speaker 1: everybody spotted that in a New York minute. My clients
29:03
Speaker 1: would never speak to the press if their spouse is
29:07
Speaker 1: missing unless it was definitely well thought out and well presented,
29:13
Speaker 1: and I felt comfortable that that person it was in
29:16
Speaker 1: no way shapeless, woman involved or dodger. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst
29:20
Speaker 1: joining me Beverly Heels, doctor Bethley Marshall dot com or
29:23
Speaker 1: at kid mean he hasn't hired a criminal defense attorney
29:26
Speaker 1: because he doesn't think he needs one, because he hasn't
29:29
Speaker 1: done anything wrong. You know, we can read anything into
29:31
Speaker 1: it we want, but my suspicious mind because as you
29:34
Speaker 1: pointed out earlier, you know, whenever a woman goes missing
29:37
Speaker 1: a wife, you start in concentric circles, starting closest to
29:42
Speaker 1: hall times. The most toxic emotions arise the fact that
29:46
Speaker 1: he said there were several sightings. I, as a psychoanalyst,
29:51
Speaker 1: look for something called trite, rehearsed and stereotype speech, meaning
29:56
Speaker 1: when somebody uses a word that's not typical an everyday language.
30:01
Speaker 1: My ears prick up. If my husband went missing, I
30:05
Speaker 1: would never say there have been sightings. That sounds like that.
30:08
Speaker 1: I've been reading a crime novel. I would say, oh
30:12
Speaker 1: my god, he was like shopping at you know, Lucky's,
30:16
Speaker 1: and you know, our neighbors saw him checking out and
30:20
Speaker 1: we didn't see him after that. I wouldn't use a
30:23
Speaker 1: crime word because that seems so rehearsed. So you know
30:26
Speaker 1: what our last heard that analysis when um no, not
30:31
Speaker 1: in the last time. But a memorable time was when
30:35
Speaker 1: Scott Peterson called Lacy, his dead wife that he murdered
30:41
Speaker 1: mom and said, first words, Lacy's missing, She's missing. I
30:48
Speaker 1: would probably have said I can't find David. As a
30:53
Speaker 1: matter of fact, I told you doctor Bethany at the time.
30:55
Speaker 1: David Oh, he travels a lot for work. When he
30:58
Speaker 1: gets there, he either checks sisor called at the airport.
31:02
Speaker 1: When he gets to his location, like the first meeting,
31:07
Speaker 1: he'ld text, only gets to his hotel that night. He
31:09
Speaker 1: usually texts. One night he didn't text. He texts when
31:13
Speaker 1: he got to the airport and then that was it.
31:15
Speaker 1: And I was on the phone when my coworker d
31:18
Speaker 1: till four o'clock in the morning, trying to call hospitals
31:20
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah un till we found him. My
31:23
Speaker 1: point is when I called d I said I can't
31:25
Speaker 1: find David, and this is unlike him. I didn't say
31:29
Speaker 1: he's missing. So that's a really good point that he
31:32
Speaker 1: said sighting. But that's not really swaying me one way
31:38
Speaker 1: or the other. I hear you. But yeah, well, I
31:42
Speaker 1: would want to know were there any personal details with
31:46
Speaker 1: anybody else? Like I had a mishap about where to
31:48
Speaker 1: meet my husband two days ago and he was waiting
31:51
Speaker 1: one place, I was waiting another, and I said, well,
31:54
Speaker 1: you said this, and he said, well, I said, I
31:57
Speaker 1: was going to look at my iPad at the news.
32:00
Speaker 1: I was going to meet you at the restaurant. I said, no,
32:01
Speaker 1: I think you said this. So many details went back
32:04
Speaker 1: and forth between where we thought we were going to
32:07
Speaker 1: meet and we ended up laughing about it. But there
32:10
Speaker 1: I would wonder, does this husband, are there any details
32:15
Speaker 1: other than difficulty was sleeping and eating? She was in heaven, Bethany.
32:20
Speaker 1: He's been speaking to Fox thirteen out the yang yang,
32:23
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you what do you want to
32:25
Speaker 1: have the details? Okay, well let's see if we can
32:27
Speaker 1: get anymore. Take a listen to our cut nine. This
32:29
Speaker 1: is Christian Richer speaking to Fox thirteen. Tracy. We need
32:33
Speaker 1: you home we just want to know you're okay. But
32:36
Speaker 1: more than anything, um, you know, tell us what your
32:38
Speaker 1: plan is to support whatever, whatever you're trying to get done.
32:42
Speaker 1: We just want to know you're okay. And let's you
32:45
Speaker 1: know how much we love you. And there's hundreds and hundreds,
32:49
Speaker 1: if not thousands of people that are concerned and looking
32:52
Speaker 1: for you because the outreach to make sure you're okay
32:56
Speaker 1: has been insane like that. In the world that we're
33:00
Speaker 1: living in right now, there's a lot of negative news
33:03
Speaker 1: and disagreements and all I've seen, you know, the last
33:07
Speaker 1: week is pure love and caring and it's just amazing.
33:11
Speaker 1: I mean, she has a group of moms that she's
33:14
Speaker 1: in a mom's NonStop twenty four seven, looking at every
33:17
Speaker 1: lead that we get. Um, they've been amazing, as as
33:21
Speaker 1: everybody that's outreach. Mpy. His voice sounds giddy. There's a
33:25
Speaker 1: giddiness to his voice. I'm not picking up on a giddiness.
33:29
Speaker 1: I pick it up. Is this doctor Bethany Marshall. Yes, okay,
33:35
Speaker 1: I will agree. He doesn't sound I'll broken up the
33:38
Speaker 1: way you would expect him to sound. But in his
33:43
Speaker 1: mind he may be thinking she's missing, but she's coming home.
33:47
Speaker 1: Although I don't know about any history of her missing before,
33:50
Speaker 1: I wouldn't call him giddy, but I don't seem like
33:54
Speaker 1: from me, I'd be screaming at the top of my lungs. Un.
33:58
Speaker 1: I'm not going to even go back into the story
33:59
Speaker 1: for when John David went missing and the baby's rust
34:02
Speaker 1: long story short. I was screaming at the top of
34:04
Speaker 1: my lungs and running through this door like a crazy
34:06
Speaker 1: person with Lucy under my arm like a football. But
34:10
Speaker 1: I'm not going to judge him based on the way
34:12
Speaker 1: I reacted. Guys, let's fast forward just one day. Take
34:16
Speaker 1: a listen to Justin Shecher w FLA eight News. Venice
34:21
Speaker 1: police say law enforcement dive teams located a green Nissan
34:24
Speaker 1: Extera in this large pond behind me. The chief tails
34:27
Speaker 1: in on your Side. They believe they found the missing
34:29
Speaker 1: mom's body inside that vehicle. We have people that are
34:34
Speaker 1: going all over the area to parks and beaches. That's
34:37
Speaker 1: what Christian Riker told eight on your Side Tuesday about
34:39
Speaker 1: the desperate search to find his missing wife and mother
34:42
Speaker 1: of four, forty four year old Tracy Lynn Riiker. Investigators
34:46
Speaker 1: aren't saying what led them to this large pond close
34:48
Speaker 1: to Night's trail in Venice, but police say a joint
34:51
Speaker 1: effort from the Sarasota County Sheriff's Office, Northport PD, FWC,
34:56
Speaker 1: and Venice PD located a green nissanic stare with the
35:00
Speaker 1: body believed to be Tracy Ryker. She had not been
35:02
Speaker 1: seen in eleven days. Tracy Richer has been identified as
35:08
Speaker 1: the body Nicole parton Crime online dot com investigative reporter.
35:13
Speaker 1: Police are not saying why they searched a lake, Where
35:17
Speaker 1: was the lake in relation to the home, and did
35:22
Speaker 1: they find it through GPS tracking? Was what year was
35:26
Speaker 1: the Extera? Would it have had some type of on
35:29
Speaker 1: Star navigation in it? So the large pond where she
35:32
Speaker 1: was found was actually located within the community where she lived.
35:37
Speaker 1: So in this Tuscany aisles, a newly developed area with
35:41
Speaker 1: some condominium some large homes, many ponds on the property there,
35:46
Speaker 1: and the Extera her body inside located right there within
35:50
Speaker 1: her community. Now police were tipped off by a lady
35:55
Speaker 1: who was one of many who were in the area searching,
35:58
Speaker 1: walking around looking for any signs of anything, and a
36:03
Speaker 1: lady volunteer said she saw some orange peel, so someone
36:07
Speaker 1: had been eating an orange and threw the peel down.
36:10
Speaker 1: She had a dentist's appointment. She hurried off to the appointment.
36:13
Speaker 1: She came back because she wanted to look around those
36:15
Speaker 1: orange peels some more. And that's when she was walking
36:18
Speaker 1: on the water's edge and noticed what she thought was
36:21
Speaker 1: something in the water. She located and alerted authorities and
36:26
Speaker 1: they begin to search, and that's when they found the vehicle.
36:29
Speaker 1: I've got so many thoughts crashing together in my head. Guys,
36:34
Speaker 1: I want to remind everybody the husband is in no
36:37
Speaker 1: way a suspect, Doctor Gallagher. If this body has been
36:42
Speaker 1: submerged in the water, what can we learn from it? Well,
36:45
Speaker 1: there's going to be a lot of decompositional changes. Initially,
36:49
Speaker 1: the skin is going to turn green black. The body
36:52
Speaker 1: is going to become bloated with gas. It is going
36:55
Speaker 1: to be it's going to absorb a lot of the water.
36:58
Speaker 1: A lot of the facial features are going to be indistinguishable,
37:02
Speaker 1: you know. So we're going to need some other method
37:05
Speaker 1: of identifying her. If she had any tattoos on her body,
37:08
Speaker 1: that would be a nice secondary method of identification. No, no,
37:12
Speaker 1: we know it's her, but can you get cause of death? Yes,
37:15
Speaker 1: yes we can. We can get cause of death. We
37:17
Speaker 1: can look for penetrating injuries. Was she assaulted? Are there
37:20
Speaker 1: any broken bones on her body? Are there any contusions, abrasions, lacerations.
37:25
Speaker 1: We can exact strang We can look at the neck.
37:30
Speaker 1: We can dissect the neck and we could look for
37:33
Speaker 1: damage in the neck, especially around the highoid bone and
37:36
Speaker 1: around the musculature that supports the front of the neck.
37:40
Speaker 1: We can look for damage there to signal that she
37:44
Speaker 1: may have been strangled. We can look for water in
37:47
Speaker 1: the lungs, water in the airways to see possible brown
37:53
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, now, I'm getting I have an idea
37:55
Speaker 1: as if I need to tell you medical examiner doctor
37:58
Speaker 1: Tim Gallagher, if there's not water in her lungs with
38:01
Speaker 1: that indicate that she was dead before the vehicle went
38:04
Speaker 1: in the water. It certainly can you know in fresh cases?
38:08
Speaker 1: That is certainly, that is certainly what we do. We
38:11
Speaker 1: actually take a piece of the lung at autopsy and
38:14
Speaker 1: drop it in water and if it sinks, then there's
38:16
Speaker 1: water in it. And if it floats, well, then we
38:18
Speaker 1: know that she was breathing and water had not entered
38:23
Speaker 1: into the lung. This is eleven days later. Well that
38:26
Speaker 1: still work. That's a problem. That is a big problem
38:29
Speaker 1: because then the body loses all of its anti water
38:34
Speaker 1: properties and water flows into the body, including the lungs.
38:38
Speaker 1: So yes, that can and to you, Kathleen Murphy, this
38:44
Speaker 1: is being investigated as a quote traffic homicide. What is that?
38:51
Speaker 1: I could not I read that out loud to one
38:54
Speaker 1: of my partners today and I said, what is a
38:57
Speaker 1: traffic homicide? And the only thing that that I can
39:02
Speaker 1: surmise is that the police are thinking that she may
39:05
Speaker 1: have been under the influence of some type of dagger medication,
39:09
Speaker 1: but that wouldn't be a homicide and drove. Now, well,
39:12
Speaker 1: you're right, that absolutely is not correct, because you're right.
39:18
Speaker 1: I saw that word and I didn't know what it was.
39:21
Speaker 1: I know what homicide is, I just didn't know what
39:23
Speaker 1: a traffic comicide is. Maybe she was bumped in. I'm
39:26
Speaker 1: just wondering why they're calling it a traffic homicide. If
39:31
Speaker 1: it was a suicide, that's one thing. If there was
39:34
Speaker 1: an accident and she was asleep in the car aled
39:37
Speaker 1: into the water, which is really hard for me to imagine,
39:39
Speaker 1: that's another thing. They have something they are coming in
39:43
Speaker 1: a traffic comicide, Nicole Aparton, do you know what that means?
39:48
Speaker 1: I don't, but I can tell you that the vehicle
39:50
Speaker 1: was located in an undeveloped area behind the pond. So
39:54
Speaker 1: this remember this is a new community, so they're still
39:57
Speaker 1: developing a lot of the property. And the point of
40:00
Speaker 1: entry to the pond where her vehicle went in was
40:03
Speaker 1: in an undeveloped area, so kind of a way from
40:07
Speaker 1: the houses and kind of a way from a paved
40:10
Speaker 1: road where someone would have just crashed into the pond.
40:14
Speaker 1: Very often it means when a definitis, unlawful or negligent
40:19
Speaker 1: operation of a vehicle results in the death of another person. Again,
40:26
Speaker 1: there are no suspects that we know of. There are
40:28
Speaker 1: no POI's persons of interest. We wait as the case unfolds.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off goodfe