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#1920 The Return Of The Larrakin Paramedic - Scott Douglas · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: Scottie Douglas, mega starman about town, paramedic, educator, inspirer of
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  Speaker 1: the masses, quickly risen to the top of the typ
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  Speaker 1: popularity fucking chart, so happy with himself. Get to him
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  Speaker 1: in a moment. We'll get to him in a moment,
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  Speaker 1: Tiff Cookai.
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  Speaker 2: He's so good.
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  Speaker 1: I muscled in on this conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he is.
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  Speaker 1: And you two had a little bit of a romance
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  Speaker 1: before we went live can flattering each other. I just
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  Speaker 1: did a little bit of spew in my own mouth.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, Wow, good paramedic.
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  Speaker 1: Oh don't we it's I mean, yeah, I want to
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  Speaker 1: borrow his outfit so I can go and get you know,
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  Speaker 1: public adoration and free coffee, free coffee.
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  Speaker 2: You get plenty of that free coffee he got pretty much.
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  Speaker 2: That's it's the discount suit. I heard someone caught one.
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  Speaker 1: Day, Hey mate, what's your heart rate?
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  Speaker 2: I was going to tell you sixty six?
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  Speaker 1: Sixty six? Yes, did you hear what his heart rate
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  Speaker 1: was the other day?
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  Speaker 2: Tip?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, one hundred and twelve, and then and then
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  Speaker 1: like and then a few minutes later it was like
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  Speaker 1: one twenty something. That's just excitement, it is, mate, It
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  Speaker 1: is did do people in all seriousness, did people have
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  Speaker 1: a listen to the chat and did they like it?
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  Speaker 1: From your side of things, Scotty, Yes, it was.
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  Speaker 3: I'll be honest, it's kind of amazing, and then it's
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  Speaker 3: a little bit embarrassing and then you don't know how
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  Speaker 3: to say thank you, Like you don't know what to say.
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  Speaker 3: It's a little bit like that when people read my
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  Speaker 3: book or when you do nice things for people, Like
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  Speaker 3: it's one of the biggest things I had to learn
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  Speaker 3: when I was sick is how to say, how to
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  Speaker 3: accept thanks and how to give thanks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I wonder what that What do you reckon
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  Speaker 1: that's about?
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  Speaker 3: Either of you?
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  Speaker 1: Like, why are we so when someone says do you
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  Speaker 1: think that's a union? An equally Australian thing when people go, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you're ace and then we tend to go, no, I'm not,
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  Speaker 1: I'm shit. What do you reckon that's about? Do you
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  Speaker 1: think that's a self estate?
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  Speaker 3: I agree one hundred percent agree with there because yeah,
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  Speaker 3: because obviously so for me, I've had the privilege job
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  Speaker 3: being involved in situations where people that you say, oh
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  Speaker 3: you made my dad alive, thank you, right, and you
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  Speaker 3: brush it off and go yeah, that's just doing my job.
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  Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah blah. But when I was sick
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  Speaker 3: and I wanted to say thank you to the people that, literally,
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  Speaker 3: like the surgeon that comes saw me after my first surgery,
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  Speaker 3: and the people that would were going out of their
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  Speaker 3: way to make me comfortable, I realized that I had
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  Speaker 3: been very bad at accepting thanks from people, because here
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  Speaker 3: I was trying to give people thanks, like legitimately and
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  Speaker 3: you know, you know, genuinely saying thank you so much,
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  Speaker 3: you literally are saving my life, and they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I'm just doing my job, and I would sometimes you know,
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  Speaker 3: obviously nicely grab them and so no, no, no, no, please,
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  Speaker 3: I need to tell you that you're amazing. Like so
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  Speaker 3: I probably agree with him.
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  Speaker 2: I think Australians maybe just go yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 2: just doing my job.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, when you upon reflection, when you think about
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  Speaker 3: what some people's jobs contain down big.
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  Speaker 1: Jobs, yeah yeah. When that little episode happened with the crab,
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  Speaker 1: I got a letter from I don't know who's the
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  Speaker 1: head of Ambulance Victoria or who was at the time.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know because that has changed a couple of times.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, I got a letter.
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  Speaker 3: If it was Tody Walker, he kicks ass. If it
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  Speaker 3: was Tody Walker, he kicks ass like he was a
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  Speaker 3: good boss.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, I've got it somewhere like this beautiful letter from
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  Speaker 1: like thanking me for what I did. I'm like think
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  Speaker 1: I didn't. I just fucking was waiting for you blokes
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  Speaker 1: to get there. But yeah, it's it's amazing. So well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad we got some really nice feedback. But so
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to keep the conversation going. And one of
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  Speaker 1: the things I said when I wrote the copy or
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  Speaker 1: when I wrote the overview of the show was a Saintually,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes I meet people that I really like and I
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  Speaker 1: like talking to and they're interesting, and they're not a
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  Speaker 1: household name and they're not famous and they're but they're
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  Speaker 1: just a good human doing good things and they're interesting
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  Speaker 1: and I want people to meet them. And so a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people met you. And if you haven't heard
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  Speaker 1: the first episode or the first installment with Scott, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: go and go and have a listen, because it was
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  Speaker 1: just fascinating and we spoke extensively about but we kind
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  Speaker 1: of got halfway through the overall potential chat, so I
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  Speaker 1: said let's do another one. But we spoke about your
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  Speaker 1: cancer journey a bit. We spoke about your lack of
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  Speaker 1: academic kind of prowess in the early days of being
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  Speaker 1: kind doing year one of your paramedics degree with butcher
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  Speaker 1: paper and crayon and progressing from there. But there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of stuff we didn't cover, and I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: talk to you a little bit about transitioning from being
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  Speaker 1: a dude who was known and respected and recognized as
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  Speaker 1: a really good chef and entrepreneur and owner of multiple cafes,
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  Speaker 1: and so you had a kind of a profile in
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  Speaker 1: a certain space. So give us a snapshot of what
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  Speaker 1: you had going on pre pre your journey into Ambos.
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  Speaker 3: So I'd become a chef quite early in my life
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  Speaker 3: because my mother was a.
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  Speaker 2: Pastry chef, So she used to take us to work.
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  Speaker 3: And I'd be standing on a milk crate, potting peas
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  Speaker 3: or doing things like that. So for me, I felt
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  Speaker 3: incredibly comfortable in a kitchen and almost like I was
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  Speaker 3: at home.
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  Speaker 2: So I was always felt very safe there.
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  Speaker 3: And you always got a feed and some red cordial
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  Speaker 3: or red lemonade or whatever when they used to make
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  Speaker 3: it with Grenadine say that was always a bonus.
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  Speaker 2: So when I did my.
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  Speaker 3: Apprenticeship and I did really well, and then I started
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  Speaker 3: traveling overseas. I went to Paris, to Canada, to London,
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  Speaker 3: to America, and I was on a journeyman program where
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  Speaker 3: you would spend four or five months in each place
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  Speaker 3: and then go to the next place, and then you
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  Speaker 3: could go back to any one of those places. So
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  Speaker 3: I went back to Canada multiple times, and I predominantly
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  Speaker 3: worked in skifields as well. I absolutely loved working in
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  Speaker 3: skifields as a circus, you know, hospitalities of a circus. Skifield
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  Speaker 3: are a circus. And then once I sort of settled down,
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  Speaker 3: I went to Turkie and opened a place in Turkie,
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  Speaker 3: and we opened a place in Ocean in Anglesey, and
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  Speaker 3: we already and we had another place in Geelong. So
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  Speaker 3: we opened our place in Torquay really at the cusp
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  Speaker 3: of the town itself growing, and you know, and fortuitously
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  Speaker 3: Rip Curl decided to put their head office in Turkie.
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  Speaker 3: So there's this massive influx of younger, cooler people, and
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  Speaker 3: so they really liked what we were doing, especially in
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  Speaker 3: the first two years. So we did very very well,
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  Speaker 3: and I honestly believe that's probably where I would stay
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  Speaker 3: because we got to engage with so many amazing people
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  Speaker 3: and sort of every single thing we did while it
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  Speaker 3: was hard, was a success.
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  Speaker 2: Like, you know, I had a bit of a cooking school.
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  Speaker 3: We did lots of catering for lots of cool functions.
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  Speaker 3: We became involved in the Falls Festival, we became involved
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  Speaker 3: in bales, and yeah, it was It was a very
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  Speaker 3: nice time in my life. I was a bit younger,
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  Speaker 3: so had tons more energy and I thought, hey, this
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  Speaker 3: will do me for a while. So I sort of
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  Speaker 3: settled into that groove of making nice food and you know,
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  Speaker 3: dealing with the public. Yeah, but I was always at
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  Speaker 3: the back of my mind I would see an ambulance
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  Speaker 3: go past and.
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  Speaker 2: Go, oh, I reckon, they be a cool job.
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  Speaker 1: And what was the like was there a tipping point,
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  Speaker 1: Like was there something where you went, I'm sick of
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  Speaker 1: being in hospitality, of running cafes or was it just
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  Speaker 1: because you had that interaction with those guys and bumped
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  Speaker 1: into those guys Like.
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  Speaker 3: I've never been sick of cooking. Always love it. I
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  Speaker 3: think it's a special gift to go and especially go
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  Speaker 3: to someone's house and make them dinner. I genuinely think
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  Speaker 3: that is a special thing. I love making something out
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  Speaker 3: of nothing, like I love making someone's day.
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  Speaker 2: Like. I never hated it. I never resented it.
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  Speaker 3: I actually thought I was very privileged to you know,
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  Speaker 3: every bells when you know, people like Mick Fanny and
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  Speaker 3: Kelly Slater would come in. They would come in and go, oh,
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  Speaker 3: Scotty man, that feed was so good, and then they'd
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  Speaker 3: go out and do well in the competition or something.
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  Speaker 3: I would be like, yeah, cool, you're a little part
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  Speaker 3: of that. So I never resented cooking, but it did
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  Speaker 3: take up. Like I worked seven days.
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  Speaker 2: A week for four years.
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  Speaker 3: You know, everyone is not everyone, but so many people
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  Speaker 3: are jealous of your success, but no one jealous of
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  Speaker 3: what it took to get there. But that was a grind, Yes,
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  Speaker 3: that was That was an exceptionally hard situation to run
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  Speaker 3: those businesses and to get up every single day and
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  Speaker 3: then try and get in the water and try and
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  Speaker 3: exercise and try and be a nice person. And in
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  Speaker 3: the middle of it, we had my daughter and I
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  Speaker 3: remember looking at her going I want something more for her,
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  Speaker 3: Like this is cool and fun, but it's for young people.
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  Speaker 3: Like I want I want her to look at me
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  Speaker 3: and be proud of what I'm doing. So that's that
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  Speaker 3: is I reckon one of the main motivations for me.
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  Speaker 2: Then going to UNI.
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  Speaker 1: Really really so you didn't think that she that she
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  Speaker 1: would look at her dad who owns multiple businesses and
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  Speaker 1: making good dough and is well known and respected, and
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  Speaker 1: you thought that wouldn't that wouldn't create the response or
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  Speaker 1: the the I don't know, the respect that you wanted.
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  Speaker 2: For your kid. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It's interesting because when I was in talking, I loved
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  Speaker 3: living in there. I love being part of the town.
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  Speaker 3: Were very immersed in the community. I was a member
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  Speaker 3: of both surf clubs to try and stay neutral with everybody.
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  Speaker 3: But I do remember looking at her. She's laying on
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  Speaker 3: the floor and I remember looking at her going, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if she'll think I'm cool or I just
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  Speaker 3: wanted more for her. Yeah. Yeah, And I thought hospitality
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  Speaker 3: is a bit of a game, and you you play,
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  Speaker 3: it's yeah, it's a funny until you unless you're imersing.
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  Speaker 2: It's a really funny thing.
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  Speaker 3: Like I got to travel the world and I got
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  Speaker 3: to cook for some really famous and lovely beautiful people.
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  Speaker 2: But it is a little bit of a like it.
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  Speaker 3: Is almost like you're playing some days it's I don't
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, there'll be people listening to this guy.
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  Speaker 2: I've got matesut of chefs and they're super serious. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: when you're in the middle of it. I was very
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  Speaker 2: serious about it. But it's sort of silly, a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of fun. It is a bit of a circus,
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  Speaker 2: I reckon.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's I mean, uh, well, notoriously
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  Speaker 1: chefs are high maintenance and hard work. Is that's true
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  Speaker 1: or is that just right?
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 3: Part part of the problem is, Craig, you think about this, right, like,
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  Speaker 3: every single person that meets you tells you you're amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that's amazing, Oh that food, And that goes on
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  Speaker 3: for years, and then you're in magazines and you're in
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  Speaker 3: epicure and people are writing stuff about you. Yeah right,
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  Speaker 3: like and you're twenty five, twenty six years old.
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  Speaker 1: But do you have that happened did you have that
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  Speaker 1: happen to you about you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So then all of a sudden, you'd start believing
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  Speaker 3: that which is not true. So you then get there's
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  Speaker 3: such a fine line between arrogance and confidence, right, you
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  Speaker 3: know you know what I mean? Like when people come
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  Speaker 3: to you and say, can you do this? Can you
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  Speaker 3: do the catering at my daughter's wedding?
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  Speaker 2: Sure?
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  Speaker 3: And you sit down and you plan and you do
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  Speaker 3: the function and it is an exceptionally beautiful function, and
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  Speaker 3: everybody at that wedding tells you yeah, yes, And so
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  Speaker 3: then you go home and you may still carry a
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  Speaker 3: bit of that. And so when your partner or your
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  Speaker 3: wife or whatever says to you, oh, can you do this?
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  Speaker 3: You're like, dude, dude, you serious? Do you not know
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  Speaker 3: who I am? I just cooked Mick Fanning's lunch, So
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  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, you have to be very careful because
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  Speaker 3: you can get caught up in that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you how do you navigate that? How
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  Speaker 1: do you a high profile chef? Who didn't you cook
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  Speaker 1: at the Commonwealth Games?
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  Speaker 2: I did?
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  Speaker 3: I cooked the Comonalth Games. I've cooked for the Queen,
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  Speaker 3: which is amazing. You know, I've cooked for and you
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  Speaker 3: have to define what you think as a famous person.
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  Speaker 3: But I have certainly cooked for famous people, and I've
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  Speaker 3: cooked for some people who incredibly.
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  Speaker 2: Gracious and in their thanks. So yeah, you see, as
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  Speaker 2: I got older, I was much much better at it.
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  Speaker 3: But certainly, when I was in my mid to late twenties,
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  Speaker 3: I was probably quite arrogance, and I probably had a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of reputation for being that way. But then
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  Speaker 3: I was also surrounded by some of the best chefs
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  Speaker 3: in the world who were exactly.
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  Speaker 2: The same and if not worse. You know, so you know,
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  Speaker 2: you mimic their behavior.
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  Speaker 3: I want to be as good as that person, and
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  Speaker 3: that person is a little bit nasty to the weight
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  Speaker 3: stuff sometimes, so maybe that's the way you're supposed to
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  Speaker 3: behave And then you realize years later it's not. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: and you hopefully then you have that capacity to maybe
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  Speaker 3: visit those people and say sorry or just change your behavior.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Is it hard when you are really good at something
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  Speaker 1: and respected for something and you've got a passionate about
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  Speaker 1: something to walk away from that something, because that would
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  Speaker 1: seem to be for many people, that would be somewhat addictive.
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  Speaker 3: It is like cooking is like doing a good service
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  Speaker 3: and being in the flow of a good service, like
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  Speaker 3: Friday night doing twelve hundred meals at like Blue Train,
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  Speaker 3: and is like being a rock star, and like it's
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  Speaker 3: an open kitchen and people are literally trying to buy
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  Speaker 3: your drinks, girls are trying to chat you up, and
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  Speaker 3: you're running a kitchen staff of over twenty and you're
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  Speaker 3: putting out four or five meals every three or four minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then to stop it? Does you then have
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  Speaker 2: to find somewhere else to put your energy?
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  Speaker 1: I reckon, tell me about in the middle of all
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  Speaker 1: of that adoration and girls throwing themselves at you, twelve
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  Speaker 1: hundred people being a I never had that. I had
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  Speaker 1: three guys, being a culinary rock star and then being
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  Speaker 1: you know, a paramedic who gets you know, different but similar,
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  Speaker 1: you know, respect and adoration and let me buy you this,
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  Speaker 1: and let me buy you that, and thank you for
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  Speaker 1: your service and all of that stuff, which is all warranted.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about ego. Tell me about ego in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of all of that. How do you not become
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  Speaker 1: an arrogant fuck with I.
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  Speaker 2: Think it's because you're older, but also too, you're frightened.
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you something that probably maybe people wouldn't even understand. Right,
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  Speaker 3: So I remember the day I got my uniform, and
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  Speaker 3: I was very fortunate. I did it with two other
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  Speaker 3: people who are still somewhere still to this day, Like
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  Speaker 3: one of their friends who I went to UNI with.
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  Speaker 3: So we've got our uniforms. Yeah, incredibly emotional times. And
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a beautiful uniform. It's just beautiful, dark blue.
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  Speaker 2: It's really well made. So you put it on right
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  Speaker 2: and you go wow.
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  Speaker 3: The next day, myself and those three other people got
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  Speaker 3: into a car drove to a place in South Moumain
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  Speaker 3: where we have orientation and there's twenty eight of us
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  Speaker 3: or something. All wear a uniform, right, So the first
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  Speaker 3: couple of hours they're just talking shitty about how it's
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  Speaker 3: going to work. Then it's ten to thirty, right, and
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  Speaker 3: they go, ah, we'll go down the street and get coffee.
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  Speaker 2: So we all walk out the building.
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  Speaker 3: We're walking down the street, there's four of us. I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: my fucking god, what is this. Someone wants help from us?
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  Speaker 2: What is this?
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  Speaker 3: A car crashes at the intersection, Like you are absolutely
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  Speaker 3: shitting yourself, Like you're wearing a uniform which carries so
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  Speaker 3: much weight and so much expectation and you know nothing,
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  Speaker 3: Like you know what they taught you at school, but
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  Speaker 3: you've theoretically never really seen a dead person, delivered a
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  Speaker 3: baby or controlled a scene. So that the first six
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  Speaker 3: months or you're just shitting yourself. And I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if it's like that for police officers or fires or
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  Speaker 3: I haven't had that conversation, but I do categorically know
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  Speaker 3: that my friends all felt the same, and when we
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  Speaker 3: started on the road, we all felt the same for
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  Speaker 3: a long long time.
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  Speaker 2: So I think it takes a long time to get
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  Speaker 2: arrogant about it.
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  Speaker 3: And if along the way you start to feel arrogant
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  Speaker 3: about it, some of them will literally die in your
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  Speaker 3: care and you go, ah, I am not that good
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  Speaker 3: and I need to be better. So the people that
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  Speaker 3: become arrogant were probably arrogant at the.
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  Speaker 2: Last thing they did. Maybe, Yeah. And like I said,
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  Speaker 2: it's such a fine line between confidence.
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  Speaker 3: Confidence gets you in the room, Like you have a
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: confidence you are walking into a house at two o'clock
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: in the morning and there's a very sick child.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: You have to go.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: There's no choice that you are going into that building,
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: and then you are going into that room. So confidence
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: gets you in there. Yeah. Arrogance would be you ignoring
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: what the mother is telling you.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Right right right, and how long from you and your
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: mates walking down the street at ten thirty in uniform
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: first time and then having these thoughts of terror that fuck,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: what if someone actually needs me? I don't know anything
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: to being not arrogant, but just at a point where
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: you're comfortable and confident and not terrified and you can
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: control a scene.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: In your words, four to five years, wow, so you
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: live in terror like people who tell you that.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: That's like.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: I have lots of mates and obviously I did it
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: for twenty years. That well, they are all the same. No,
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: four to five years and four to five years is
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: when you don't wear your pants when the pager goes off.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: And that's the irony, right, You want the pages to
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: go off because you want to test yourself, right, So
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: you're sit in the garden, I want the pa I
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: hope the page goes off. It goes off, you go
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: fucking fuckingly fuck you where your pants? And then you go,
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: oh shit, why do I want to go off? It
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: took me four or five years before I'd go, oh,
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: yeah cool. I'd look at the page and go yeah cool,
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: happy with that, and you look at your partner and
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: go and you'd have a comversation about perhaps.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: You were going to encounter when you got there.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: So tell people I don't think we spoke about this
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: will jump forward and back. It doesn't need to be
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: chronological as conversation. But h what are you? And then
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: in twenty eleven January, chapter seven, Scott Douglas, what are
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: you doing now? Tell people like what? Like, what are
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: you doing now?
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: So I'm going I'm going to you need to do
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: my master's in education. And I'm working for a company
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: that puts paramedics and finement on mind sits and I've
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: worked for them off and on for fifteen years and
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: they're they're like that the owner and the boss that
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: company is a really cool guy.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Like he put me on oil rigs, he put me.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: On research vessels like I just yeah, he recognized something
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: in me, gave me a chance.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: So I will be forever greatful for that.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: And so yeah, I resigned from Ambulz Victoria about a
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: month ago. And then I will I will stay working
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: in resource in the resourcing sector until next year, I think,
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: and then I'll go to unifull time.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: What's it like? What is what is the practical situation
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: like being a paramedic on an oil rig like for example,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: or in the minds or like what do you do?
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: You just Okay, get in your little spot until somebody
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: breaks their leg.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: No, no, so And you know, I've had lots of
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: people say to me, oh my god, oh my god,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: get me a job at the Mind, and I would say, Okay,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: this is what I do every day. I get up
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: at eight minutes to three, I go and have to
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: I have to do forty minutes of exercise normally with
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: the team. Then we all sit down and have breakfast.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Then we go out to the mine. And so I
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: was on an underground mine, which for me was I
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: absolutely loved being in an underground mind. So you might
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: have to go down and refuge chambers, you might have
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: to go and check ladder ways. You would possibly have
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: to wear breathing apparatus while you're doing that.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: So you know, you would have.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: To go down one and a half kilometers underground. You
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: know it's the darkest of dark. You can't see your
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: hand in front.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Of your face.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: You'll be probably with one other person. You'll drive down there.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: There'll be the biggest structure you've ever seen coming towards you,
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: and you'll stop at a place and go, okay, we're
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: going to climb back to the surface through these escape
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: ways to ensure that if that actually occurred, that the
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: people climbing these ladder ways would.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Be able to do that.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: So you would then you know, you wear a harness,
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: you click on and you literally climb maybe close to
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: a kilometer of ladders and it's every one hundred meters
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: there's a gate, so you go through the gate, shut
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: the gate, keep walking or going up the ladder. So
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: that would be maybe a day, and you're filthy, you're
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: covered in sort of mud dust. It's quite hot, so
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: you're sweaty, and that might be one day. But then,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: as you said, you literally might be in the medical
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: center itself. And a couple of weeks ago we had
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: twelve patients in a day, and there'said some very very
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: good nurses in the medical center that I currently work,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: and we have access to a doctor, but we also
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: help to service three and a half thousand predominantly men.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: So it's a small So you've got a small town
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: of three and a half thousand predominant bokes.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: So you have people come in.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: We had a general walk in with chest paint, have
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: had people come in dehydrated, You have people with stuff
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: in their arrise, you have people with smashed fingers stuff
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: like that. So, and having worked in very small towns,
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: it's not dis similar to that.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Can I just point out as a sidebar how many
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: calories you would burn climbing up one kilometer of ladder?
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Do you know what?
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Do you know what?
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Avers? Do you know what a versa climber is, Scottie.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: No, no, but you're going to tell tip.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Do you know what a versa climber is? So? Aversa
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: climber is google it while you it's a machine, Well,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a piece of cardio equipment in the gym.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: It's maybe the hardest piece of cardio equipment where you're
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: climbing and legs and arms.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, yeah.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Cool, yeah, yeah, they're they're a motherfucker. And so that's
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: like the real life versus climber with no stop button.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah it is.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Look and sometimes you're wearing what's called a BG four,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: which is an encapsulated breathing device, and you have that
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: on you and you can't take it off once you've
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: got it on.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: So you've got a face mask. You can't like it,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: let you so, And I think they weighed maybe twelve
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: to ten kilo.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: So you've got that in your back, and some of
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: the ladder ways are so small because I've been cut
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: by hand.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: You have to take it.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Off and put it in front of you and push
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: it forward. So but you don't know that you're going
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: to be okay doing that until you go and do it.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Like I didn't realize that I loved being underground until
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: I went underground, and I didn't realize that for me,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: it was a very comfortable place. It never felt enclosed
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: or small. But I have certainly been with people who
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: know you escort them down, you know, one and a
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: half kilometers to a big room, you know, and they
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: get out of the car and vomit right because it's
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: too much for them. But you don't think that about yourself.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that makes sense. I didn't know
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: how I was going to react to being a kilometer
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: underground until I was, and I realized I loved.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: It, like I genuinely.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: It was like a big playground to me, and I
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: was very lucky. The people I worked with felt exactly
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: the same, so they were just as excited as you
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: were to go underground.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: This is a weird question, but being a kilometer underground
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: is there a different energy? I don't know if this
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: is the right word, yes, but like, is there like
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: what does it feel like being a kilometer under the earth?
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: It is funky like it's so I remember the first,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: very first time I was taken down.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: By it's called the shift Boss.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: He was a big cousin bro Mary Got, a lovely,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: lovely guy, and he's he was very clever because he's
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: talking to me the whole way down because he probably
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: knew I was were in my pants, right, and so
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: he's explaining to me what's going to happen. And I'm
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: trying and I'm trying.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: To be oh, yeah, mate, I'm cool. I'm cool.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: You know, clearly was not cool. And so he's he
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: is such a lovely guy. He's just telling me this
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: is what's going to happen next, and this was going
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: to happen next.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Blah blahlah blah blah blah blah.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: So we literally pull up and if you can imagine
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: if the been in the burning tunnel, that's sort of
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: what it's like.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: This literally places to eat your lunch. This, you know,
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: really well made rooms like you sort of forget underground sometimes,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: you know, And so we pull up and he says
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: to me, look, when you get out of the car,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: just go slow.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: And so when you say car, hang on, hang on,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: what do you mean car?
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the land?
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're driving on a road underground? Yes, yes,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I thought you were like going down in an elevator
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: or something.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Oh. Now, because if you can imagine, the drive is
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: what it's called is like the Burnley Tunnel, but massive
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: because it has to fit the biggest tructure you've ever seen.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: They are hauling or from the face from where they're
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: digging for want of a better word. Their trucks are
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: taking that up to the surface. Right.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Well, you can drive down those roads, wow, which you do. Right.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: So anyway, so we pull up, I get out of the.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Car and I'm basically sort of faint because it is
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: really oppressive and you're not used to it, and it's
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: really like it's yeah, it's very different, and there is
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: certainly an energy that you don't that you're not used to,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: but then you get used to it. And so he,
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: you know, he came over and he's like laughing, going,
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: oh you know, I said.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Oh you know, and I was sort of my head
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: was spinning and.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: You guys, just take some breaths. And I'd literally standing
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: there with my hands on the knees taking some breaths,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: and he said, you'll get used to it. And I
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: was very lucky because I did get used to it
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: very quickly. Whereas there are people that you will escort underground,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: like geos or people like that, they have to go
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: and look at something and they won't like it. And
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: I've certainly been in the car with people who say
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: how long will it take to get back to the
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: service and you go forty five minutes if we say
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: it's an emergency, and they go oh, and you go
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: is it an emergency? And they're like, man, I just
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: want to I want to see the sky, and you
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: go okay, okay, and then you quite quickly take them
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: back to the surface.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Here's my other weird question. So we know that at
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: sea level that I might fuck this up a little bit,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: but it's something like eighty eighty one percent nitrogen and
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: twenty percent twenty point nine to three or something oxygen, right,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: and we know that the higher we go, the less oxygen.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Ye blah blah blah.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: What's the nitrogen O two balance a kilometer underground do
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: you any like is oxygen the same or less or more?
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: So?
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: What's going to by the way, an amazing question because
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: I have to learn this, and that's a very clever question.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: So when you are doing any kind of work underground,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: and I'm unspeaking about underground mining, you have to calculate
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: how many trucks are going to be in that area,
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: what their burn rate is, so how much oxygen they
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: burn and how much diesel they put out. And there
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: is a guy called a vent engineer who controls the
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: air that's sent down to the mine. So if you
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: can imagine, we have these big vent stations that pump
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: air down into the mine. So you can stand, you
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: can stand next to one of those vents, share and
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: then walk out in front of that bent and if
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: you would get blown away. So I've done it a
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: couple of times before. See handrails on that where you're
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: hanging onto a handrail and you're flapping in the breeze,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: because that's how powerful.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: The air is that's coming down that vent. And there
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: are vents.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: To take the air out as well, because it has
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: to be scrubbed and cleaned and measured because obviously the
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: more trucks you have, the.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: More oxygen you're burning, and then the more.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Diesel particulans you put out into the atmosphere that has
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: been breathed by a couple hundred people.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: So hopefully I've answered your questions. I didn't want to.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: No, it's great, just because I think about like, you know,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: when you go to altitude. I remember, I don't know
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: if I was talking to you about this. Maybe I
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: was when we had a coffee, but I remember when
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I was in a place in Colorado called Breckenridge, which
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: is eleven or twelve thousand yeah, which is yes, yes,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I remember, eleven or twelve thousand feet above sea level,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: and dummy fucking Jumbo Harper goes, I'm going to go
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go for a run, and I go, yeah,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I know, there is a bit dinner, and I'm like, yeah,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: fuck it, I'm a weapon around about seventeen feet and
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Nelly died. Like I was going to run five k's,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I literally ran four hundred meters, had to stop, tail
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: between my legs walk back because I couldn't breathe, and
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I just, yeah, it's just that. And then I was
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: thinking about underground on top of that you've got all
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: the carbon monoxide or whatever diesel pumps out, but all
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: of that being pumped into the air down there, Yes,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: trying to manage and I mean with the size of
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: those fucking trucks and engines and all of those fumes,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: like trying to create a healthy, breatheable, sustainable environment. I
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: mean that seems like the ultimate science experiment on top
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: of everything else.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: I mean that is and that is literally someone's job.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: That is event indineer's role.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I have to make it compatible with life
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: so people can go down and sometimes it's too hot,
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: like I've certainly been underground in areas where yeah.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: It's at the fate.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: This is what it's called, you know, is in the
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: high forties and so then and when and part of
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: your role is to look after the guys that are
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: down there and constantly checking him and do high hydration
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: testing and you know you will encounter people who are
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: consuming twelve to fifteen liters a.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Day of water.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Wow, And is that the main physiological challenge? Like like
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: what are the other variables? Sorry everybody if this is boring,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: but as a body, as someone who's weird about bodies,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: so hydration, thermoregulation. I'm guessing body temperature. Yeah, just the
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: mental health. Like, so they get up and it's dark.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: H they go into the dark and then they finish
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: and it's dark. So guys who are on the say, see,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: they normally do a day of nights and sorry, day
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: of days. In the day of nights, we watch them
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: on their eleventh out of fourteen fifteen days because that's
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: normally when incidents occur. And then when you go and
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: visit them, they are quite pale. They have this great
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: look about them and predominantly again these are underground miners
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: and then a lot being doing it a long time
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: and they do a lot of self care. They have
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: a lot of chats with it amongst themselves. In A
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: massive part of your role is staff morale and like
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: we just we will sometimes just as we go down
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: to the to where some drillers are and take them
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: lollies to drop in and say, hey, you going, do
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: you need anything?
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, we have a whole bunch of
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: kit cats, you know.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And it breaks up their day and it's and
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: it's taken you at least two hours to get there,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: and I'll take you two hours to get back to
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: the surface, you know, so.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: They know that's a big thing to do that kind
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: of stuff.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's incredible, and I would I would imagine that
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: from as you mentioned, but from a mental health perspective,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: that being in that environment, even with good conditions, even
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: with good workmates, even with you drop an in going
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: here's a KitKat. Yeah, it's like that's got to be
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I feel like you're going to turn into a were
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: wolf after about six weeks of that, or no, a vampire.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: So I was.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: I was involved in a mental health in mining project
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: and I've got to you know, unfortunately, I got to
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: speak at a few conferences and miners or what's called
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: the resourcing sector, the men am nine times more likely
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: to harm themselves or commit suicide than.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: The national average.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: And so when you go and spend time in those places,
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: I believe you can understand why. Like you are, like
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: I do, too on, too off. So for two weeks,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: I'm literally immersed in a circus. Yeah, so you get up,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: you're fed on and off buses. I mean, I love it,
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: I absolutely love it. Right, So I'm not hope I'm
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: not painting a dark picture. But the people that you
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: work with are very really, very very good at what
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: they do. You constantly are learning things. You are constantly
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: having to learn things because someone will make a statement
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: about something which is not even in your lane, but
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: you have to go figure it out. So the time
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: that you spend with those people is very tense, especially
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: in underground mining, because you are literally and part of it.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: You do sometimes get into an elevator.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Or something like that, or a cage and you go
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: underground for ten hours and the blackstand and next to
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: you literally is handing you rods if you're a driller,
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: and then you eat with that person.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: All your meals, and then you come home with that person.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Then you only get on a bus and go back
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: to camp, and depending I've worked on dry camps, I've
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: worked on wet camps. You know you're having a mess
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: and you all eat together and then hopefully which normally
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: is there's some kind of activity after dinner or before
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: dinner where you go pay volleyball or something all together,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: or you play frisbee, or you can walk, or the
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: someone playing music. But it is super intense, and you're
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: very very far away, and it feels far away from
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: the people that you love and the people that you
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: want to talk to. So it's a very it's a
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: very intense and compressed environment.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I reckon.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, tell me about work looking at the Isle
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: of Man or at the tt for so firstly I know,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: and you know, and Tiff knows because she rides a motorbike.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: But tell tell our listeners what the Isle of man
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: TT is.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: So Isle of Man TT is the longest running road
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: race in the world. It's I wanted to.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Go there from a very very early age, like I
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: used to watch it with the Gentleman the man. I
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: did my apprenticeship with my first ever really cool boss
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: and he was a former Australian Superboil champion who had
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: ridden at the island race of the Isle of Man
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: So when so sadly when he passed away, I was
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: given a small earn of his ashes to take there.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: So I actually had to go there in twenty fifteen
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: to take those ashes there. So I had at the
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: time was working for the London Ambulance Service and I
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: applied to work there as a marshal or just a volunteer.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah stuff, I go, and so I had to do
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: a whole couple of weeks of riding and tests and
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: all kinds of stuff to qualify to be allowed to
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: be a volunteer. Then I was staying at the volunteers
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: camp and which it was amazing, like it really really was.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: The people I met there.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: I still talk to some of those people you know
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: on a regular basis, But for me, I mean it
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: is if you watch the footage, like it's insane the racing.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Can we just can we just point out to people
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: that in the isle on the Isle of man t
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: T by the way, motorbikes not cars. Just not that
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: you said cars, but just so people know what we're
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: talking about and that these people are not racing around
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: a circuit like Albert Park or they're literally racing around
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: the island. The road roads that the that the residents
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: use every day. Yes, at over three hundred kilometers an
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: hour sometimes, yes, that is correct. And these are roads
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: that are not built for racing.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: No, they're roads normal and when you ride on them,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: when you ride on them, like you realize, like when
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: you're going past a building that's a meter away and
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: you're doing two hundred plus qlumeters an hour, Yeah, yeah,
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: you do have a shincter moment.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: You go, that's right, and you're riding through towns and
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: past farms and past sucking businesses at yeah, the speed
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: of sound, and yes, and like some of them. I've
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: never been there, but I've watched it a bunch of times.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: And you see people coming over the top of a
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: bit of a rise, yes, and again they're airborne and
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: these floaks are just like off the ground for a
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: hundred or not one hundred, but probably twenty thirty forty feet.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they're like to watch it.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: And then so for me, so obviously that was one
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: of the most emotional moments I've ever had in my life,
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: like getting off the ferry, Like there's all little kids
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: with flags, and there's probably a couple hundred, maybe a
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: thousand motorcycles all starting at once, and I remember being
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: very overwhelmed the very first time I went there, And
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: just you know, in your life, you will have moments
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: where least shoul say, I feel on your hand your child,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: you know, for the first time. Was one of those
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: moments for me. And so I then had like a
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: conversation with God.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: While I was riding.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: I was riding in one of the practice laps, and
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: I came over a rise doing about two forty, and
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: I had a bike beside me. And as I went
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: over the ridse, obviously the bike gets lighter and it
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: lifts up off the track and it slid across the
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: white line.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: And so I speaking about two forty and it's the bike.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: The back end of the bike started to wobble and
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: I actually went and everything went very quiet in my helmet,
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: and I literally, I mean, without coning down a rabbit hole.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: I went, hey, God, I promised to be a better
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: person if you help me.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: It was a very unique moment for me because I'd
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: never done anything like that before. And the bike just
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: straightened up and off I went again, right, and I went, oh, okay,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: And so it was very Yeah, it was kind of
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: I thought I was going to die, and then I didn't,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: and then you.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Go, wow, cool, So stop. Did you keep your end
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: of the bargain with God?
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: I was going to say, here's the here's for me,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: which is what I believe in. I believe in karma.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: So that's twenty fifteen. In twenty sixteen, I'm in my
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: tent in the volunteers area, and there's everyone in there
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: is a volunteer generally and a lot of medical staff,
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: so people like amazing people.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: From all around the world who don't have the time
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: to come and work at the isle.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Man like some really high end surgeons, doctors, trauma surgeons
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff. Right, And we'd had
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: a dinner, so I half met everyone, and I'd gone
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: to bed, and so I'm in my long Johnscause freezing
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: and my tent gets opened it's about ten o'clock night
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: by a guy named Jack Smith. He's like, mate, you've
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: got to come with me. You've got to come into town.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: They need you in town. And I said, Jack, this
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: is not funny. If this is a joke, it's not
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: a funny joke, mate, He goes, no, no, please, please,
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: You've got to come into town.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: So literally put a.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Pair of crocs on, apologize, put my helmet on my motorcycles,
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: park right next to my tent, and start my bike.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Follow Jack, who's on a motorcycle out of the volunteers
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: camp down this road and there's a police car parked
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: in the middle of the road with the boots open.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Because I didn't know, but they carry medical stuff in
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: their boots. This guy's waving me down. I watched Jack
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Parky's bike get off, run into this massive big house.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: I just ignore this copp up. Run into this massive
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: big house. Go into the lound room. It's a beautiful
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: english man out like it's amazing, and there's a gentleman
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: on the floor in his forties and someone who's.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Performing CPR on him. So I'm like the probably the
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: second or third person in the room.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: So that you take off my helmet, I try and
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: get a little bit of an understanding what's going on.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: I'm on the airway. Jack starts doing CPR.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Then after that there's a steady stream of people that
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: keep coming into the room. Some of them are recognize
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: from the meetings I've had some of them.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: I don't now.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: If you're on the airway, that means you're in charge.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: So I theoretically was in charge of this kardiak arrest.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: So for people who watch TV or know a little
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: bit about medicine. So we had the monitor on and
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: we look at the screen and the person is in
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: what we call a shockable rhythm, and so there's probably
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: seven people crouched around this man, and I'm supposed to
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: call it, but bearing in mind I've probably met two
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: of the seven people ever. And I'm in a PJS,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: so I'm pointing. I pointed at the screen and go
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: are we happy to shock that? And everyone nods and
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: goes yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. So we shock that
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: the patient. So we do that maybe three times. We
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: put in a cany you light. So we put a
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: needle in the gentleman's arm, and we put an airway
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: in the patient. So that man goes into what we
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: call ROSK, which is return of spontaneous circulation, so he
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: has so his heart starts beating by itself.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: After about three minutes. So then the ambulance comes.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: The people in the ambulance volunteers, so they don't have
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: the kind of qualifications so we have in Victoria. So
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: we helped place that patient in the back of this ambulance.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: And Deb who runs a hospital in Liverpool, She's like,
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: oh gorah. So this gentleman is alive theoretically and goes
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: on to live. And so we go back to camp.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: I go to bed, crazy, crazy night, like incredible situation.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: The gentleman that woke me Jack Smith, he was so
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: inspired by what occurred, and he was a petrochemical engineer.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: He worked on oil rings.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: He went back to Union to become a paramedic. I
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: went to his graduation last year in Scotland, which is amazing,
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: and we've stayed in contact, like we ring each other
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: once a month, Like he went to a really bad
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: job about a month ago, rang me up and we
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: had a long chat about He's still one of my
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: best mates and I will see him in about eight
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: weeks when.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: I go to Scotland.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: When I go to Glasgow the next morning, I'm sitting
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: there eating baked beans in the mess.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Because it's a mess for all the volunteers, and this
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: copper can't dressed.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: This gentleman dressed like a very serious looking police officer
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: comes in. I got my head down and he says
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: I need to speak to the Australian that's in the camp,
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: going ah shit, I think he wants to speak. So
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying nothing, like I want to speak to
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: this dude. And then someone says that's him over there
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: in the corner. So he comes over and he's like, oh,
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: he'd say he was the chief of police. So he
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: wants to have a chat with me, and I'm thinking
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: I'm in trouble because that's like I'm in Australian.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: That's the first thought when the police speak to you.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: And he says, and he says, oh, you're involved in
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: that instant last night. I'm going yet I'm.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Going to jail. Wow, I wonder what jail in the
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: other man's like.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: And he said, oh, who, I said, I'm a paramedic.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: I'm a registered paramedic in the UK and I'm a
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: registered paramedic in Australia, and I'm trying to explain to
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: him that I certainly am qualified to be working on
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: that patient. And then he says to me, Oh, the
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: man's alive and his family wants to say thank you.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, I'm my god.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Think.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Oh cool. Right, So to come along story short, we
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: get a photo taken. They then we do this thing.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: They give us the key to the city and they
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: think it's funny to take a photo of me handcuffed.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: So they handcuffed me.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: And all these places stand around me and take a photo,
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: right because I'm an Australian, right, So they then put
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: that on Facebook and it goes out into the ether.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: So and I mean, they'd write a lovely email to.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Ambulance Victoria say thank you so much for lending us
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Scott for the two weeks of the island man blah blah,
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: bah blah blah. But they also put out a photo
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: of me handcuff it. So if you can imagine, like
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: I had to say, how many people going, I always knew
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: you'd end up handcuffed, always knw you it ended up
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: in trouble, But I guess, and that was an amazing
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: like it was an amazing incidents. But I guess the
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: point of making this Your question was did I pay
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: back God? Did I do the thing that I said
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: I was going to do.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: I would say yes.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: I would say ironically like I do believe in karma,
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: and I did ask whoever in twenty fifteen to help me,
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: and then I had to repay that in twenty sixteen.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: And that gentleman is you know a lie. Look I've
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: met We went back into twenty seventeen. I'll got to
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: meet him. We had dinner like it was an exceptional situation.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: And I mean that gentleman got world class care because
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: of where he literally lived. He lived ninety seconds away
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: from some of the best trauma surgeons, emergency people on
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: the planet who happened to be there as volunteers.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, Wow, that's incredible, dude, it's so interesting.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: All right, one, we've got about five to eight minutes
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: the lake. Tell me about the lady in Prague that.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Oh right.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: So we've been riding all day and we went to
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: a town called Bethlehem and we'd had lunch and it
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: was one of the loveliest meals I had. And I
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: was with I was with Cooney, who's an ex Queensland
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Police officer, and we were traveling through Europe together and
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: I had my partner, my girlfriend with me son, she's Dutch,
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: and we'd gone to this lake to have a swim
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: and I mean, i'd love water is such.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: A big part of my life. And so we.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: Parked the motorbikes under the tree, you know, we'd splash
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: it in now of the water. It was a beautiful
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: day lights and lots of people there. If everyone's ever
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: been to Lake Dales with that's that's sort of what
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: the vibe was there. So lots of you repeating people
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: in and out of the water. So so I'm laying
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: on the tent and I think, so I'm laying under
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: the tree. Sorry on a towel, and I think to myself, oh,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: I'm still a bit hot, I might get back in
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: the water.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: And Cooney and Sona asleep and we've got all our
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: camp and our bikekids sitting under this tree.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: So I go into the world about waist deep and
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: I look out.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: I can see this what appears to be.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: A lady and I think, oh, she's not doing that well.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: And I'm like looking at her and I'm going, oh shit,
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: I think she's drowning. Which I just probably swam okay,
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: I reckon, and I was tired and we'd ridden all
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: day and I had a full stomach for food, and
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: so I was like, oh my god, I definitely think
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: she's drowning.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: So I'm my fuck.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: So I literally start swimming out to her, and I'm
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: swimming out to her watching.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, she's drowning. This is not cool.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: And so I get out close to her and she's
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: panicking and she's probably mid forties, quite a bigger woman
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: and really really short, and she's grabbing at me in
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, great, and something have to probably give
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: her a smack. So I probably gave her a bit
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: of a smack to explain the situation to her, and
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: then I start.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Bringing her back into.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Shore.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: And so I'm screaming and trying to swim and trying
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: to pull this lady into shore, and I'm getting closer
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: and there's no one really doing anything. There would to
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: be hundreds of people in this little cove, and yeah, yeah,
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: it was really interesting because no one was really helping.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: But I don't know why. I don't know, like maybe
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: if you can't swim, because you know, I can swim,
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: so maybe some of those people couldn't swim. Anyway, So
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: I got closer enough that I thought I could touch
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: the bottom, so I let it.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: I sort of I couldn't. I went I went under.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: That has a bit of a wake up cool.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: So then I come back up again, grabbed her and
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: she's very heavy dragon. And then finally this guy who's
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: in skinny white dude in really big broad shorts, he
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: comes running down and we find out later he's an
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: off duty fireman and he's on the phone and then
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: he's yelling at his girlfriend, who spoke literally half dozen languages.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: She was amazing because obviously I'm speaking English, right, yelling English.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: They're asking me lots of questions in whatever the language.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: And by now there's quite a large group of people
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: watching and excuse me, I'm sort of looking at what's
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: going on.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: So Karney wakes up, looks up and goes, oh, something's
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: going on.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Guarantee you Scot's involved, grabs my trauma bag, which I
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: carry on a modebike.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Waltz is over.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: And tells me lady, you know, pushes his way through
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: the crowd, and then there we are sort of resuscitating
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: this lady and the gentleman who was an off duty fireman,
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: he called his friends and they came that They came
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: in what can only be described as a ninety.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Fifties aircraft fire truck. Was insane.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: It was massive, and this little white like nineteen fifties van,
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: you know, and these guys, three guys got out, always white.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: One was a doctor, and we successfully resuscitated this lady
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: and you know, she was she was vomiting and trying
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: to talk to us, and she had to talk to
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: the off judy fireman's girlfriend, who then would said say.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: To me what had occurred? And we're talking to her.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: She had diabetes, and we did her blood sugars and
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: we discovered that she you know, had maybe a hypo,
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: so she.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Had a lot of Schulgren and gone into the water.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: But so she was trying to think. So I had
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  Speaker 3: my seth escape on severyone thing. Everyone's going doctor, doctor,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Trying to explain to them I'm not a doctor, but
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: they no one cares. Was always got a set escape,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: must be a doctor.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: And she beautiful and she was hot. Yeah, yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: I recommend it carried on all dates. And so she
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: was trying to say thank you to me, and she
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: said the check word for angel, which I then had
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: to learn, and the girl it translated that for me.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: And so yeah, that was That was like my day
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: off in the Czech Republic.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what it's never boring, and tell us
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: where you're off too, because I know you're going away
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: this week. You got some stuff came up in the
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: next weeks and months.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I go to.
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  Speaker 3: Caratha on Monday for two more weeks, and then I
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: go to Ireland and then you Europe for eight weeks.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: I go every year, I go and work on a
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: farm over there, and I have a tiny house on
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: the farm. And then I'll say lecture at one of
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: the unis there and I'll probably do.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Some lecturing in Glasgow. I think i'll go see Jack,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: he's a paramedic. Yeah.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: So, and what do you do? What do you do
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: on the farm in Ireland?
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Like a farm, Like it's a normal farm.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: So like you get up at four o'clock in the morning,
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: you move to cows around, you work on the harvests,
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: because harvest.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: That's why I go that this time.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: You like they're harvesting, so the harvesting wheat and grain,
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: and we clean the harvesters, work on the harvests, work
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: on the.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Bailers, clean the tractors.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: Like you just smell of cowshit and wet mud the
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: whole time you're there, but you eat some amazing food.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: I go to CrossFit, which I don't.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Do here, but I go across fit there and I
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: swim in a place called Sandy Cove, which is where
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: a lot of the English Channel swimmers train. It's a
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: it's an island and it's a one point eight kilometer
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: swim around the island. And I try and do that
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: once a day and it's freezing, like the.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: Water is absolutely freezing.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: You're a maniac. Well, mate, I wish we had more time.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: We don't, but I reckon we could do a series
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: with you. We could do a series with you, you know.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: I please don't mean to INTERRUPTO. I was gonna say
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: one more thing.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: The idea that this isn't amazing for me to be
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: on your podcast is ridiculous.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Like it is for me.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: It's a bit of a fanboy moment, Like I remember
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: speaking to you five years ago. I've always listened to
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: your staff. I just don't want that to be diminished
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: by the fact that I'm clearly quite comfortable talking to you,
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: like it still is amazing, Like it's amazing, like it
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: really is to be on your podcast, Like I genuinely
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: feel like I'm walking in the steps of giants.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: That's want to say thank you?
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well mate, very I feel like saying that's not warranted,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: but I won't. I'll just say thank you and take
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: some of my own advice. But yeah, I like, honestly,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, today was like an episode of you know, Seinfeld,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: like a conversation about nothing but everything you know, and well,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: that's what I mean. It's like, I just like talking
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: to you. I just find you interesting and you know,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: even in the last minute or two. Oh yeah, I
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: go to Ireland for eight weeks and I work on
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: a farm, like and then I swim around this island.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: You know, I just won. You're very well. I mean,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: the whole point of the show really is about having
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: good conversations, and certainly I've done that with you twice
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: thanks to you and Tip this time as well. So mate,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: we really appreciate you. I'd love to have you back
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: when you get back. And I just think that, like
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: your energy and your enthusiasm and your positivity is infectious.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: So it's you know right backatch, I really appreciate it.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Tell people about just give your books a plug and
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: where they can get those, and yeah.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: So if you want to go check out the website,
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: which is beautiful and has some lovely photos of Ireland
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: on it, go to www dot Horatio dash Jones dot
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: com dot au.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Just go check out the website if that's.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: Cool, and then yeah, have a look and if you
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: want to buy a book, that would be absolutely lovely.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: And did you have you had a look at our
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: By the way, everyone, if you haven't heard of our
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Facebook page, go there the You Project Facebook page, You
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Project Podcast Facebook page. Lots of nice feedback for you.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Did you read it?
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: No, because I don't get embarrassed quite easily with that
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: kind of stuff.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: But if you say there's lots of nice feedback, that is,
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: I'm very that's lovely. Thank you. I tanged you. Thank
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: you very much.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: I also said to you, I said to you yesterday
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: and send your message. Did you listen to the show?
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: You're like, no, I don't like my voice, and I wrote,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: try harder.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: It's you did. And I still even now like I
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: am not comfortable at all.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Well, you'll get over it. TIF Do you like Scotty.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I like Scotty. I love Scotty. You're such a captivating storyteller.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: I felt like a kid listening at storytime.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Then it's so good. I know one question? How do
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: you spell Horatio? Okay, so h O R A t io?
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: And when you well, not in the middle of winter,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: but when we get towards the submission stage of the year,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: the PhD submission stage of the year, also known as summer,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: the three of us should go for a ride.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, that would be lovely, it really really would.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Let's do that. We'll say goodbye affair. But for the moment,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Scottie Thank you, appreciate it. You have a good trip, enjoy, Enjoy.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Your travels, no worries. Thank you.