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Steve Price | 17 May · Steve Price

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  Speaker 1: Live. This is Steve Price.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to Friday Night's at the end of
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  Speaker 2: budget week, of course, where the political battle lines I
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  Speaker 2: reckon for the next election have now been set. Steve
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  Speaker 2: Price with you coming up on the program. Anti Israeli
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  Speaker 2: protesters occupying Australia's universities are taunting police now and ignoring
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  Speaker 2: university CEOs to dismantle their camps.
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  Speaker 1: We'll have the latest on that up next.
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  Speaker 2: The horrific murders at Bondi Junction have resulted in new
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  Speaker 2: life laws ninth laws in New South Wales.
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  Speaker 1: But will they work? Crime reporter from the Daily Telegraph.
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  Speaker 2: Mark Murray joins us, but what about being paid over
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  Speaker 2: two hundred thousand dollars a year for operating a stop
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  Speaker 2: go sign.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not joking.
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  Speaker 2: It's happening on union dominated big bill projects in Victoria,
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  Speaker 2: causing massive cost blowout. Sam Growth will come up and
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  Speaker 2: talk to us about that shortly. But first, and so predictably,
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  Speaker 2: the ABC and its current affairs show the seven to
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  Speaker 2: thirty report has taken only minutes to show their hand
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to the contest of ideas for the
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  Speaker 2: next federal election to be held within twelve months. No
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  Speaker 2: sooner had Coalition leader Peter Dutton sat down from his
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  Speaker 2: budget speech. In reply than seven thirty hosts, Sarah Ferguson
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  Speaker 2: took exception to the slogan Peter Dutton had used in
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  Speaker 2: the speech to highlight a cut in migration. Here is
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  Speaker 2: Ferguson objecting to the term Australia First.
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  Speaker 3: Australia first doesn't sound like a very Australian type thing
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  Speaker 3: to say, Well, there.
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  Speaker 4: Are countless families I've spoken to as I've gone around
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  Speaker 4: the country.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's the tone I'm talking about it.
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  Speaker 4: Of every nationality of people who have just arrived.
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  Speaker 2: What a joke now, the presenter Ferguson, unless I've missed
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't seem to have the saying issue with the
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  Speaker 2: government and the Prime Minister hijacking the term made in
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  Speaker 2: Australia for their grand manufacturing plan making expensive solar panels
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  Speaker 2: that can't compete with China. Dutton's plan and a key
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  Speaker 2: plank in his bid to win the election, is to
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  Speaker 2: cut immigration numbers in the first year by twenty five
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  Speaker 2: percent to around one hundred and forty thousand. Now, this
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  Speaker 2: is of course fertile ground the ABC types like Ferguson
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  Speaker 2: and Laura Tingle, their camera reporter. It allows them to
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  Speaker 2: paint the opposition as being anti migrant, being mean, xenophobic
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  Speaker 2: and racist. You know, we have all heard it before earlier. Tingle,
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  Speaker 2: on the same program, by the way, describe the opposition's
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  Speaker 2: speech as quote very slogan driven. She also hit back
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  Speaker 2: at the migration cuts.
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  Speaker 3: It is setting a tone which is very much it's
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  Speaker 3: just very slogan driven. It's basically sort of appealing to
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  Speaker 3: all of those real sort of white hot, very simple
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  Speaker 3: ideas of we can't get enough houses. It's all migrations form.
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  Speaker 1: Can you believe this stuff? Now?
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  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton, to his credit, was having none of it,
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  Speaker 2: and he's been around long enough to know that this
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  Speaker 2: is what the next election campaign will throw up from
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  Speaker 2: the government and from their cheerleaders at the National Broadcaster.
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  Speaker 2: Now here's what Dutton said about the link between larger
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  Speaker 2: and larger immigration numbers and the housing crisis.
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  Speaker 4: The government has bought in nine hundred and twenty eight
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  Speaker 4: thousand people in two years. There are two hundred and
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  Speaker 4: sixty five thousand homes that have been built in that period.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think there's a mismatch of course there is,
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  Speaker 4: so we can't pretend that there's not.
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  Speaker 1: Well, of course he's just talking.
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  Speaker 2: Common Sensus seven thirty a report described the opposition's migration
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  Speaker 2: policy as quote ugly policy that contains little rational detail.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, are they kidding you? Wonder what rational detail
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  Speaker 2: they're talking about. It's clear to anyone trying to rent
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  Speaker 2: in any of the big cities of Australia or help
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  Speaker 2: getting their children into a first home that we are
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  Speaker 2: simply bringing two more many people into the country and
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  Speaker 2: we need to at the very least push the pause button.
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  Speaker 1: I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton has also put the brakes on foreign buyers
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  Speaker 2: buying property, which a lot of people will agree with,
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  Speaker 2: in a policy that sets clear boundaries between him and
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  Speaker 2: the Albanese government. The Opposition leader probably delivered last night,
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  Speaker 2: in my view, one of the best speeches of his career.
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  Speaker 2: It was less of an economic alternative than an election speech, and.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's clear.
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  Speaker 2: He embraced formally the nuclear future he sees for our
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  Speaker 2: energy grid. Lining up Chris Bowen. Chris Bowen, the climate
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  Speaker 2: change minister who in question time yesterday made a point
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  Speaker 2: of laughing at the nuclear plans of the Opposition, pointing out,
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  Speaker 2: according to him, that it had split the Opposition party.
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  Speaker 2: It has been absolute scenes in the coalition about the Polos,
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  Speaker 2: absolute scenes of this unity.
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  Speaker 5: The Shadow Minister has gone.
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  Speaker 6: Very quiet for a change.
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  Speaker 5: We don't hear so much.
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  Speaker 6: There we go, We got him.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 2: Bowen went on to say that no one in the
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  Speaker 2: Liberal coalition would like to have a nuclear power plant
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  Speaker 2: in their backyard. Well, I'm not sure Bowen, whose Sydney
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  Speaker 2: seat includes suburbs like Blacktown and Hawsley Park and gravestones
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  Speaker 2: in Sydney, will be hosting too many wind farms or
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  Speaker 2: solar factories, so he will just promote them out in
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  Speaker 2: the bush where his voters won't see them. So the
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  Speaker 2: starter's gun has been fired on this election. You have
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  Speaker 2: a one term labor government hoping like hell a Reserve
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  Speaker 2: Bank won't jack up interest rates before an election and
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  Speaker 2: praying inflation stops climbing. They have thrown out a three
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  Speaker 2: hundred dollars energy bill bribe that most people will see
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  Speaker 2: disappear in their first quarterly electricity bill. And you have
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  Speaker 2: an opposition that has decided to win votes by having
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  Speaker 2: a smaller Australia with nuclear energy and what they are
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  Speaker 2: calling a back to basics approach. Finally, I think we've
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  Speaker 2: got a real contest. Let the games begin. Well, speaking
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  Speaker 2: of budgets, we've had two budgets in the last two weeks, one,
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  Speaker 2: of course, federal budget this week, and then last week
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  Speaker 2: the Victorian budget, where that state's going to miss out
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  Speaker 2: on more than eleven billion dollars in the carve up
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  Speaker 2: of federal funding based on its share of the national population.
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  Speaker 2: The federal government has also knocked back a request from Victoria,
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  Speaker 2: as they should, to add to the two point two
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  Speaker 2: billion dollars it's already committed to what's fast becoming a
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  Speaker 2: wide elephant, the suburban rail Loop. God help us if
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  Speaker 2: that two billion dollars which the federal government has committed
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  Speaker 2: is wasted on this tunnel project.
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  Speaker 1: For more.
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  Speaker 2: I'm joined by Shadow Sports and Tourism Minister and Minister
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  Speaker 2: for Youth, the Member for the Sam Sam de great
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  Speaker 2: to have you back on Friday again. Suburban rail loop,
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  Speaker 2: it's facing billion dollar blowouts. The COMMO says, well, you've
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  Speaker 2: got to prove the case of this thing or we
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  Speaker 2: won't tip any more money into it. Surely we're not
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  Speaker 2: going to see another Comwealth Games disaster with this thing, are.
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  Speaker 7: We well, Steve, You've great to be back with you
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  Speaker 7: on a Friday once again.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I hope that's not the case.
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  Speaker 7: But this Alan labor government seems to be forging right
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  Speaker 7: ahead with this project here in Victoria. But you do
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  Speaker 7: have two treasurers completely ad odds with each other. You've
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  Speaker 7: got Tim Pallace down here in Victoria saying they've got
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  Speaker 7: a business case it stacks up.
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  Speaker 9: And you've got Jim Chalmers up there as.
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  Speaker 7: Part of the Albanezi federal government issuing no funds for
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  Speaker 7: the continuation of the suburban rail loop. And the government
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  Speaker 7: has this figure down here between thirty and thirty four
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  Speaker 7: billion dollars. And I've been listening to the Minister for
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  Speaker 7: the suburban rail loop in Danny Pearson at Payek today
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  Speaker 7: down here in Victoria, and the government themselves throughout their
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  Speaker 7: major projects, I have acknowledged it's been at least a
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  Speaker 7: twenty two percent increase in the cost of these major
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  Speaker 7: projects here in Victoria. But since twenty twenty one, the
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  Speaker 7: government hasn't made a single adjustment to the figures for
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  Speaker 7: their suburban rail loops. So one hand, they're saying yes,
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  Speaker 7: projects are blowing out and the cost of doing things
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  Speaker 7: that's going up and up. On the other hand, they're saying,
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  Speaker 7: well that's for everything except the suburban railroop. And we
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  Speaker 7: know this government has no idea. Labor can't manage money
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  Speaker 7: here in Victoria. We've seen major projects across the board
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  Speaker 7: blow out by more than forty billion dollars. We've seen
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  Speaker 7: major blowouts on other huge tunnel projects. You remember Suburban
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  Speaker 7: rail loop is a tunnel project. We've seen the Metro
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  Speaker 7: tunnel blowout. We've seen huge blouts now on Northeast Link.
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  Speaker 7: This government can't be trusted with their costings on major projects.
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  Speaker 2: As a Victorian, as an Australian, sure, I'm sure you'd
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  Speaker 2: agree with me on this. When you have projects of
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  Speaker 2: this size at that cost that are, if you're to
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  Speaker 2: believe the retric around them, designed to let Melbourne cope
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  Speaker 2: with massive increase in population. Shouldn't these things be federal
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  Speaker 2: projects managed by the states, but with the federal government
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  Speaker 2: putting people around it to make sure it works.
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  Speaker 10: Well.
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  Speaker 7: I think we've got to make sure these projects, no
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  Speaker 7: matter what they are, across the board, stack up and
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  Speaker 7: in a lot of these projects, in most of these projects,
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  Speaker 7: there'll be a contribution from.
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  Speaker 8: A range of sources.
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  Speaker 7: But when you've got two labor governments, one here in
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  Speaker 7: Victorian one federally at odds with each other over how
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  Speaker 7: a project stacks up, and you've got Infrastructure Australia saying.
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  Speaker 8: They don't have all the details.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, if the Federal Treasurer can't trust the figures
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  Speaker 7: of the state government here in Victoria, how can Victorians
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  Speaker 7: trust them absolutely?
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  Speaker 2: And we haven't even mentioned the Airport rail link. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: if there's ever a national project that should be supported
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  Speaker 2: and built, it should be that a city that's going
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  Speaker 2: to end up with a population of somewhere between six
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  Speaker 2: and ten million, you can at least get a train
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  Speaker 2: to the airport.
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  Speaker 7: Well, Airport rail Link has to be a project that
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  Speaker 7: should be top of mind.
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  Speaker 8: But the other thing that you also have.
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  Speaker 7: To remember about the suburban rail loop, and this was
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  Speaker 7: highlighted by the Shadow Mister for Public Transport, Matthew Guy
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  Speaker 7: last week in Parliament.
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  Speaker 8: The suburban rail loop, the.
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  Speaker 7: Gauge they don't link up with the rest of Melbourne's
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  Speaker 7: metro train network. They're on a different gauge, they're on
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  Speaker 7: a different power system.
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  Speaker 8: So these trains that are supposed.
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  Speaker 7: To go originally from Shelveng to Box Hill, all the
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  Speaker 7: way around to the airport and connect back into the
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  Speaker 7: metro train lines actually will never ever be able to
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  Speaker 7: do that because they sit on a different gauge and
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  Speaker 7: with that different power supply. So it's been an absolute
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  Speaker 7: fantasy from this government. They've been selling something to Victorians
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  Speaker 7: that is actually never going to exist.
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  Speaker 1: What a clown show.
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  Speaker 2: I pick up my Herald Sun today and talking about
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  Speaker 2: major projects, I read that entry level laborers, people traffic
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  Speaker 2: controllers on Victoria's big build the people will hold those
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  Speaker 2: stop go signs are now in some cases earning more
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  Speaker 2: than two hundred thousand dollars a year.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: I heard the CFMMU boss John Seca today defend that say, well,
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  Speaker 2: to get two hundred thousand, you have to work six
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  Speaker 2: days and you've got to be working fifty six hours
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  Speaker 2: a week. But two hundred thousand dollars to hold a sign.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this story is more, is it not? Sam
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  Speaker 2: about standover tactics from a union that is in the
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  Speaker 2: past has been very militant lauding it over the government
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  Speaker 2: of which it funds during election campaigns.
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  Speaker 7: These projects need to be monitored more closely, and also
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  Speaker 7: the actions that are happening on these projects. Ongoing misconduct
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  Speaker 7: is only leading to ongoing cost flow ads. They're leading
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  Speaker 7: to the projects going through the roof cost exhallations and
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  Speaker 7: means money is not spent elsewhere. But can I just say, Steve,
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  Speaker 7: we've committed on our side, the Liberals, along with our
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  Speaker 7: coalition partners, we've committed to bringing in Construction Enforcement Victoria,
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  Speaker 7: so a construction watchdog that actually keeps an eye on
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  Speaker 7: these projects, how they're being managed, how people are being paid,
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  Speaker 7: the invoices that are being put in, and make sure
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  Speaker 7: that our projects are being managed in the right way possible. Yes,
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  Speaker 7: we need to continue building things, there is no doubt
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  Speaker 7: about that.
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  Speaker 9: But the amount of money that is.
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  Speaker 7: Being wasted through the story today possible roughts on these
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  Speaker 7: so i'spy ongoing poor misconduct on big build sites. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: this is one of the reasons, if not the major
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  Speaker 7: reason why so many of these costs on these projects
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  Speaker 7: is blowing absolutely out.
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  Speaker 8: Victorians deserve better than this.
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  Speaker 2: I was joining to a bloke who owns a plumbing
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  Speaker 2: business today employees two hundred and fifty plumbers. He said, Look,
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  Speaker 2: if I could, I'd pack up and go to Queensland.
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  Speaker 2: The amount of pressure that gets put on me every
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  Speaker 2: day of the week by a unionized workforce, it just
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  Speaker 2: makes it almost impossible for me to make a profit.
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  Speaker 9: I think the other thing at the moment to remember
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  Speaker 9: is as well.
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  Speaker 7: And I think this is part of the public sentiment
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  Speaker 7: that's not going down so well. No one's regarding people
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  Speaker 7: doing a hard day's work and getting paid for it.
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  Speaker 7: But at the moment, we've got in this state, teachers
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  Speaker 7: probably being underpaid, nurses who are stressed, who have been working,
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  Speaker 7: let's be honest, their guts out over the last few years,
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  Speaker 7: who are being underpaid, Policemen who haven't got the powers
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  Speaker 7: they need, who.
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  Speaker 8: Are probably being underpaid.
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  Speaker 7: When those sort of workers, when people on our front
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  Speaker 7: line are seeing people holding a stop go sign and
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  Speaker 7: these stories coming through being paid over two hundred thousand
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  Speaker 7: dollars a year, I think every single Victorian would acknowledge
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  Speaker 7: that it's probably time that we give a fair go
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  Speaker 7: to our frontline workers. And when we see those things
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  Speaker 7: happening in conjunction with the reports that we've seen today,
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  Speaker 7: like I said, I just don't think it passes the
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  Speaker 7: pub test, as well as the broader problem of the
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  Speaker 7: cost low ads and the financial mismanagement.
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  Speaker 2: You get paid seventy thousand a year as a nurse
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  Speaker 2: working overtime and you get two hundred thousand a year
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  Speaker 2: for holding a sign, Sam, tell me where that's not craziness.
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  Speaker 7: No, I don't think there'd be a single person watching
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  Speaker 7: this program tonight, Steve that would disagree with you. Like
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  Speaker 7: I said, it's time to give the frontline workers in
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  Speaker 7: this state a fair.
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  Speaker 1: Go, Sam Grothaugh, was a pleasure to catch up. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you very much mate, Thanks Steve. So what did the.
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  Speaker 2: Charmers budget actually do for average Australians? And the reaction
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  Speaker 2: to the budget has been mixed at best now, despite
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  Speaker 2: the claims in the budget that it's going to help
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  Speaker 2: with cost of living, I didn't really see that. I mean, yes,
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  Speaker 2: there was the three hundred dollars energy bill payment and
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  Speaker 2: of course the already past stage three tax cuts, but
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  Speaker 2: I don't see how that budget handed down this week
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  Speaker 2: in Canberra is going to make your trip to the
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  Speaker 2: supermarket any cheaper. So what are real Australian's going to
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  Speaker 2: make of it? I wanted to ask the owner of
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  Speaker 2: a business at the coal face of cost of living
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  Speaker 2: pressures on a daily basis. This is Kirsty Parks, who
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  Speaker 2: runs the community Cafe near Liverpool in Sydney, and she
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  Speaker 2: joins us. Now, on a personal level, did you see
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  Speaker 2: very much cursy in this budget for yourself or your
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  Speaker 2: family that's going to make cost of living pressures disappear?
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  Speaker 11: Absolutely not. There is not much there. Even the three
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  Speaker 11: hundred dollars energy rebate doesn't amount to much, especially on
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  Speaker 11: our budget, and there's just and other than that, there's
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  Speaker 11: really nothing else that on a personal level for myself
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  Speaker 11: or my family.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I don't pay a lot in electricity, but
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  Speaker 2: the three hundred is going to disappear very quickly. Let's
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  Speaker 2: talk about the people that you're helping on a daily basis.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think one of the real problems Cusey,
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  Speaker 2: I reckon you'd agree with this is that so many
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  Speaker 2: of our politicians don't actually have any interaction with the
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  Speaker 2: people who are doing.
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  Speaker 1: It hard and tough.
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  Speaker 2: They might say that they see them every now and
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  Speaker 2: again their electric office, but you see them every day.
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  Speaker 1: What's it like in Liverpool?
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  Speaker 2: How hard are people doing it?
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  Speaker 11: It's really tough here. They say a lot, they talk
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  Speaker 11: a lot, they say all the right words, but nothing
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  Speaker 11: helpful is actually filtering down to where it's needed. People
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  Speaker 11: here are doing it really tough. There is nothing there
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  Speaker 11: for them. If there's nothing for me and my family,
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  Speaker 11: and you know we're doing okay, absolutely nothing here for
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  Speaker 11: anybody else. There's nothing for our organization to even improve
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  Speaker 11: our services to help support them better. You know, we've
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  Speaker 11: had to start turning people away because we don't have funding.
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  Speaker 11: We don't have the financial means. We've got great sponsors.
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  Speaker 11: We rely on the community, we rely on businesses, we
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  Speaker 11: rely on you know, clubs. We've had cabvel diggers come
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  Speaker 11: and help us financially, Miranda real estate. But the government,
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  Speaker 11: they're not here. They don't shop where we shop. They've
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  Speaker 11: they've actually never been to our shop. I've had an
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  Speaker 11: open invitation last year. We had this discussion about last
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  Speaker 11: year's budget, the same thing, and I had an open
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  Speaker 11: public invitation to Jim Thomas, come and have a look
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  Speaker 11: at what we do. Come and see, Come and see
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  Speaker 11: what we see. Come and talk to the people that
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  Speaker 11: I took to shop where we shop, and see deliver
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  Speaker 11: something that can be used to deliver something that's going
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  Speaker 11: to filter down and get to where it needs to
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  Speaker 11: get to, because people on the front line here they're
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  Speaker 11: not getting benefits, they're not getting better, they're not getting
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  Speaker 11: the help that they need. And our hands are becoming
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  Speaker 11: tied the more we go because we need help too
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  Speaker 11: as an organization to continue to provide that when you
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  Speaker 11: have over one hundred people a day coming but basic necessities.
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  Speaker 11: It's food, it's a food crisis. They can't afford to
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  Speaker 11: shop in the supermarkets. You know, we're lucky that we're
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  Speaker 11: able to collect from the supermarkets the stuff that they
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  Speaker 11: can't afford to buy so that we can try to
• 17:32
  Speaker 11: give it out to those most in need for free.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Are the faces of the people who are desperate for
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: your help changing? Are you seeing different people, more people,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: people that you wouldn't normally associate with needing your assistance?
• 17:50
  Speaker 11: Absolutely, it's not just Yes we are based in low
• 17:54
  Speaker 11: socioeconomic area. Yes it is fin density housing, but people
• 17:57
  Speaker 11: can travel and you know, everybody's welcome, our table, our
• 18:00
  Speaker 11: doors open. We offer what we offer completely free of charge.
• 18:04
  Speaker 11: We see people that are employed. We see people that
• 18:07
  Speaker 11: were employed this time twelve months ago, like twelve months ago,
• 18:11
  Speaker 11: they were employed, they were doing well due to health reasons,
• 18:14
  Speaker 11: due to mental health reasons, due to taking on care responsibilities.
• 18:18
  Speaker 11: They've had to let go of that wage. So what
• 18:21
  Speaker 11: happens to them because they're not qualified for any of
• 18:24
  Speaker 11: this assistance, they're not qualified for anything. They rely on us.
• 18:28
  Speaker 11: They rely on us to feed them. You know, we've
• 18:30
  Speaker 11: had people come in and say thank you, you literally
• 18:33
  Speaker 11: saved my life. And these are people that are working,
• 18:36
  Speaker 11: These are students, these are families. You know, it's not
• 18:40
  Speaker 11: just to those that are welfare recipients. You know, our
• 18:42
  Speaker 11: doors are open to everyone, and it's new faces. And
• 18:46
  Speaker 11: it's hard because it's people that are on a good
• 18:49
  Speaker 11: wage that are cash pull so they're the working poll.
• 18:52
  Speaker 11: There's someone that you know, they might just need a
• 18:54
  Speaker 11: loaf of bread. One gentleman stood outside our store for
• 18:56
  Speaker 11: two hours for one loaf of bread because he's cash pull.
• 19:00
  Speaker 11: Yes he has a nice car, Yes he came dressed
• 19:02
  Speaker 11: and smelling amazing, but he doesn't have the money because
• 19:06
  Speaker 11: he's paying the bills, because it's going out on everything
• 19:08
  Speaker 11: else to just provide bread for the family. Now that
• 19:12
  Speaker 11: in a country where we're a first world country, if
• 19:14
  Speaker 11: we have a nine billion dollar surplus one percent of that,
• 19:19
  Speaker 11: imagine what that would do. Imagine what that could do
• 19:22
  Speaker 11: if it filtered down to where it was needed. These people,
• 19:25
  Speaker 11: these politicians, they're not living in our walks. They're not
• 19:28
  Speaker 11: shopping where we shop. They need to come and see this.
• 19:30
  Speaker 11: They need to address this issue. It's not going to
• 19:32
  Speaker 11: get better.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Well, I'd urge the local federal member of the local
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: state member to pay you a visit. I mean, what
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: really worries me is the bloke you're talking about it,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: who was queuing for a loaf of bread. I mean,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: imagine the things that he and others are canceling doctor's appointments, Insurance.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: On their houses.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: If they have a house, insurance on their car, not
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: going out ever, a holiday would be only a dream.
• 20:00
  Speaker 11: Things are luxuries. Insurance where we are is a luxury.
• 20:03
  Speaker 11: If something happens. People are ending up homeless, if their
• 20:07
  Speaker 11: house burns down, if they have a car accident and
• 20:10
  Speaker 11: they can no longer get to work and they can
• 20:12
  Speaker 11: no longer provide. They don't have the insurance. They don't
• 20:15
  Speaker 11: have the ready funds to be able to pay that.
• 20:19
  Speaker 11: So most of them don't have subscription TV. A lot
• 20:23
  Speaker 11: of them don't even have internet. This is twenty twenty
• 20:25
  Speaker 11: four in Australia. We've been through COVID, We've had to
• 20:28
  Speaker 11: try to educate our kids at home during that period
• 20:31
  Speaker 11: of time. How many people missed out? How many people
• 20:34
  Speaker 11: are still missing out? Now we've come through that and
• 20:37
  Speaker 11: we're still not better. We're not getting better, and things
• 20:40
  Speaker 11: need We need action, We need change, We need support
• 20:43
  Speaker 11: for those that are on the ground. We need people
• 20:45
  Speaker 11: that are in a position to do better to help
• 20:49
  Speaker 11: us out. To find their local charities, find their local
• 20:52
  Speaker 11: organizations and give them your support, whether it's your time,
• 20:56
  Speaker 11: whether it's your money. It's tax time, there's plenty of
• 21:00
  Speaker 11: that have taxed actions. Donate to them, get involved because
• 21:04
  Speaker 11: we can't clearly rely on the government, well not this
• 21:07
  Speaker 11: government anyway, because no matter how much talking we do,
• 21:11
  Speaker 11: it's not happening. It's not getting there, and it's a
• 21:14
  Speaker 11: real thing that we have to face every single day
• 21:17
  Speaker 11: and try to troubleshoot as we see it. You know,
• 21:19
  Speaker 11: we've had to turn people away today. There's literally people
• 21:23
  Speaker 11: tonight that are hungry because our doors were not open
• 21:25
  Speaker 11: today because we didn't have the petrol to put in
• 21:28
  Speaker 11: our vans to go and get that.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I admire your passion the Community Cafe in Liverpool, Kirsty Parks,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: thank you very much for joining us and all power
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: to you and if you can help out folks and
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: donate in that area, please do it now. Still ahead,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: any Semitism has hit our universities as we know it's
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: coming for sport as well now Alex Rifkin from the
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Executive Council of Australian Jury, we have more on that
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: up next.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Welcome back.
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: Well.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: The scenes we're seeing around the country, particularly in our
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: universities at the moment, just horrendous. The scenes in Melbourne
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: and Deacon University today where you have entire faculties overtaken
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: by these protesters refusing to move. Police have not yet
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: gone in, although I suspect at some stage, either late
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: at night or early in the morning, that's what's going
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: to happen. We also have senators in our federal Parliament
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: thinking it's appropriate to use anti Israeli slogans in parliament,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: which was disgraceful. The Unis that I said, have been
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: transformed into anti israel encampments. Jewish students there afraid to
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: walk around Jews themselves afraid to walk the streets.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: How have we allowed this to happen? Now?
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Even we've got soccer, the sport I'm supposed to bring
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: cultures together, taking aim at Israel for more. I'm joined
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: by the Executive Council of Australian Jury co CEO Alex Rivkin.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Good to see you again, Alex. I almost don't know
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: where to start, but let's start with the university. You
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: must be heartbroken when you see the scenes, particularly in
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: that invasion of the West wing of a part of
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Melbourne University with signs calling for you from the river
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: to the sea, and it's it's just unthinkable.
• 23:18
  Speaker 12: Well, the thing that really breaks the heart is, you know,
• 23:21
  Speaker 12: the conversations that I'm having with Jewish students and academics
• 23:24
  Speaker 12: all over the country on a daily basis.
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: Indeed, a word of the world.
• 23:27
  Speaker 12: The things that we're seeing here are happening in the
• 23:29
  Speaker 12: United States, that are happening in Europe. But I guess
• 23:32
  Speaker 12: we just never thought that in our harmonious country, long
• 23:34
  Speaker 12: way away from conflict zones, that this sort of thing
• 23:36
  Speaker 12: would be happening. But you've got Jewish students and academics
• 23:39
  Speaker 12: being told that they might be better off not coming
• 23:42
  Speaker 12: into the campus.
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: So you've got a situation where.
• 23:45
  Speaker 12: These bands are thuds of extremists who have progressed from
• 23:48
  Speaker 12: these encampments which were really nuisance, and I saw now
• 23:51
  Speaker 12: they're occupying buildings. They're not chanting for peace, they're not
• 23:55
  Speaker 12: chanting for seas file or an end of war.
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: They're chanting for more war.
• 23:59
  Speaker 12: They're chanting for interf bar of the suicide bombings, for
• 24:02
  Speaker 12: a Palestine from the river to the sea, another invasion
• 24:04
  Speaker 12: of Israel and the ethnic cleansing of its Jewish population,
• 24:07
  Speaker 12: and the fact that we've gone to this point so
• 24:09
  Speaker 12: many months now after October seven, things have gone worse
• 24:13
  Speaker 12: and worse and worse.
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: All the time.
• 24:14
  Speaker 12: And despite all the warnings and all the horrific incidents
• 24:18
  Speaker 12: along the way, nothing of value has been done.
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: And this is why we are where we are.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Alex.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: We've had on Sky today deputy deputy Vice chancellor of
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: one of the major Melbourne universities saying that he quote
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: knows that these student protests have been taken over by
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: not academics, not by students protesting in favor of Palestine,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: but by agitators, by professional agitators, who've got themselves in there.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: How have we allowed this to continue to go on?
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Why haven't the vice chancellors called in the police and
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: cleaned these places out.
• 25:00
  Speaker 12: Firstly, it's absolutely no surprise that it's being driven now
• 25:03
  Speaker 12: by outside agitators, perhaps outside money, professional protesters, because they
• 25:07
  Speaker 12: view the Palestinning Clause not as about justice or a
• 25:11
  Speaker 12: two state solution or a peace process. They view it
• 25:14
  Speaker 12: as about bringing down capitalism and the West and US
• 25:17
  Speaker 12: imperialism as they see So this is why they're all
• 25:20
  Speaker 12: coalescing around this balls. These people are predominant anarchists and vandals.
• 25:25
  Speaker 12: They like to burn things down, They like to destroy things,
• 25:27
  Speaker 12: as opposed to those of us who like to go
• 25:29
  Speaker 12: to university to learn to build, to do something constructed
• 25:32
  Speaker 12: with our lives.
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: And frankly, the universities were too slow and reacting to this.
• 25:37
  Speaker 12: They had a view that perhaps if they'd play caated
• 25:39
  Speaker 12: these people, if they appeased them, they would satisfy themselves
• 25:42
  Speaker 12: and just simply go away. But when you're dealing with
• 25:44
  Speaker 12: extremists of this sort, that's not what happens. They go
• 25:47
  Speaker 12: as far as they're allowed to go, and they've been
• 25:49
  Speaker 12: allowed to go way too far for away, too.
• 25:50
  Speaker 8: Long, Alex.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: What should Prime Minister Albanezi do with Labour Centator Faedom
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: of Payment, who of course used the Israeli slogans she
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: launched at Israel accused her of genocide during an interview
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: on SBS inside Parliament House. What should Albanezi do with
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: that Senator?
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: I think he.
• 26:13
  Speaker 12: Needs to ask her to apologize and retract or resign
• 26:16
  Speaker 12: if she's not capable of doing that. I mean, it's
• 26:18
  Speaker 12: an extraordinary thing that she did. You know, not a
• 26:21
  Speaker 12: week after the Prime Minister spoke about that very slogan
• 26:24
  Speaker 12: being violent in nature, the White House has bought an
• 26:27
  Speaker 12: anti semitic because it may seem like a mere formulation
• 26:31
  Speaker 12: of words, but for decades it has been a battle
• 26:34
  Speaker 12: cry by the Arab States to destroy the State of
• 26:36
  Speaker 12: Israel and destroy its Jewish population.
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: That's what it is.
• 26:39
  Speaker 12: And the senator is either ignorant of that or she
• 26:42
  Speaker 12: knows exactly what it means and she's saying it, which
• 26:44
  Speaker 12: is far worse so in these times when you have
• 26:48
  Speaker 12: sawing antisemitism, when you have specific terror threats against our community,
• 26:53
  Speaker 12: when social media is a wash with filth and hatred
• 26:56
  Speaker 12: towards the Jewish community have a federal senator using her
• 26:59
  Speaker 12: position to do this sort of thing to urge the
• 27:02
  Speaker 12: destruction of Israel, which is what that slogan means.
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: It's really unforgivable.
• 27:06
  Speaker 12: She needs to resign, I think, or at least takes
• 27:10
  Speaker 12: significant steps to a tone to what she did. Would
• 27:13
  Speaker 12: the first up would be meeting with the Jewish Communia,
• 27:15
  Speaker 12: actually hearing what these words mean to us, why they
• 27:18
  Speaker 12: sob hon, why they should.
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: Never be added.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let alone her use of the word genocide. I
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: want to talk about soccer, just briefly. Alex Fiefa is
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: preparing to vote to expel Israel from the World Cup
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: international matches. The Palestine Football Association, they put pressure on
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: fellow member associations and of all things, we've got form
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: of soccer at Craig Foster leading a campaign here in Australia,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: even though Football Australia is expected to abstain. Now, what's
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: going on with football, World Football that they would be
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: having this meeting and why are they listening to the
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Palestine Football Association and completely ignoring the wishes of Israel.
• 28:00
  Speaker 12: Well, the Palestinians have used for decades every forum of influence,
• 28:04
  Speaker 12: whether it be the United Nations, trade unions, political parties,
• 28:08
  Speaker 12: local government, and indeed FIFA to try and advance its
• 28:12
  Speaker 12: demonization of Israel, its marginalization of the Jewish people, and
• 28:16
  Speaker 12: it has launched campaigns for years and years now to
• 28:18
  Speaker 12: get Israel expelled from FIFA. It has nothing to do
• 28:20
  Speaker 12: with this most recent war. This is an ongoing pursuit
• 28:23
  Speaker 12: of THEIRS. But what's really disappointing is at this time,
• 28:26
  Speaker 12: around seven months after the October seven atrocities, Craig Foster,
• 28:30
  Speaker 12: who is someone who I admire and respect, and I've
• 28:33
  Speaker 12: watched him for many, many years. I'm an avowed football lover.
• 28:36
  Speaker 12: You know, I've watched his predecessors, Johnny Warren and Lesmiriy
• 28:39
  Speaker 12: I grew up watching them. And now to see Craig
• 28:42
  Speaker 12: Foster come out and jump on this bandwagon and make
• 28:45
  Speaker 12: nonsense claims about a genocide case of the ICJ and
• 28:50
  Speaker 12: that somehow justifies the expulsion.
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: Of Israel, you know, it's a.
• 28:55
  Speaker 12: Long move and it comes at a time when ISRAELI
• 28:58
  Speaker 12: is a suffering You know, my wife is in Israel
• 29:00
  Speaker 12: right now and I'm getting alerts minute by minute of
• 29:03
  Speaker 12: rockets coming not just from the South, but from the north.
• 29:06
  Speaker 12: You've got over one hundred thousand people from the north
• 29:08
  Speaker 12: near the border with Lebanon. We've had to relocate out
• 29:10
  Speaker 12: of a part of the country. It's not safe to
• 29:12
  Speaker 12: be there anymore. They've got the perennial uranium threat. They've
• 29:15
  Speaker 12: still got hostages in Gaza. And football provides a respite
• 29:19
  Speaker 12: as well as a football loving country if people want
• 29:21
  Speaker 12: to switch off, get some sort of respite from the horizon,
• 29:24
  Speaker 12: from the news and watch some ball games. And Craig
• 29:27
  Speaker 12: Foster wishes to deny them of that. So I think
• 29:29
  Speaker 12: it's a really appalling thing that he's doing, and I
• 29:31
  Speaker 12: hope he rethinks, you know that the impact that he's having.
• 29:34
  Speaker 12: He's got a platform, he's a prominent individual, but he's
• 29:38
  Speaker 12: really wrong in this case, and I hope he reconsiders
• 29:41
  Speaker 12: his position.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe Craig got to pick up the phone and
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: have a word to you, Alex.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much for your time.
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: Thank you so much.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: I should point out Craig Foster will beyond with Denika
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: de Giorgio after our program at the top of the hour,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: so who'll be able to put his case and defend
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: what he's doing in that space in regard to football,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: let's bring in our Friday night regular. Well, it's great
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: to catch up with from the Queensland Premier Campbell Newman Campbell,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: great to see you as always. Let's start with the
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: federal budget. What did you make of it?
• 30:16
  Speaker 13: Well, look, I'm rather dismayed because I think it's a
• 30:20
  Speaker 13: budget that does a number of rather insidious things. Firstly,
• 30:25
  Speaker 13: it's full of the crony what i'd call crony capitalism,
• 30:28
  Speaker 13: in that it does try and pick winners. It hands
• 30:31
  Speaker 13: out sort of loans and tax deals and you to
• 30:37
  Speaker 13: the top end of town to pursue things that labor
• 30:40
  Speaker 13: think are important, which are ideologically based, so for example
• 30:44
  Speaker 13: a deal in terms of tax for the pursuit of
• 30:49
  Speaker 13: green hydrogen. The other part of it is that it
• 30:53
  Speaker 13: is also sort of further entrenching if you're like a
• 30:57
  Speaker 13: welfare mentality, a handout metality mentality and Australians and that's
• 31:01
  Speaker 13: of course by handing out three hundred dollars to everybody
• 31:05
  Speaker 13: non means tested on power bills, so we're not going
• 31:10
  Speaker 13: to create vibrant, strong businesses. In fact, we're creating this
• 31:14
  Speaker 13: sort of corporate welfare mentality, and it's ideologically based, and
• 31:20
  Speaker 13: then we're also debasing the community by sort of making
• 31:24
  Speaker 13: them even more dependent on government. Really, if the way
• 31:28
  Speaker 13: forward should be budget measures that encourage personal responsibility, resilience,
• 31:35
  Speaker 13: true resilience that actually allow for business to prosper on
• 31:41
  Speaker 13: the basis of real customers and real markets and real
• 31:44
  Speaker 13: products and services that people want to buy. So that's
• 31:49
  Speaker 13: philosophically way away from where the Labor government have delivered
• 31:53
  Speaker 13: this budget.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: I heard a highly credentialed academic today and so she
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: was saying that Australia, simply because of the size of Australia,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: green hydrogen just simply could not work to power vehicles
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: in this country. So I don't know who they're talking
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: to about that. We talked about Gym's three hundred dollars
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: for your energy bill. I went through my bill the
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: other day. That's going to last me about two months
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: and then that's gone.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: It's okay, I can afford it.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: But everyone's going to get this three hundred, you know, everybody,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: but in Queensland Stephen Byers give him a thousand dollars out.
• 32:29
  Speaker 13: We well we're getting a thirteen hundred.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: Well well, well, well.
• 32:35
  Speaker 13: Well Steve it is embarrassing, mate, because I can tell
• 32:39
  Speaker 13: you now I don't think we'll be paying electricity bill
• 32:43
  Speaker 13: for some time.
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: And you know, the.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: Newmans can afford to pay an electricity.
• 32:48
  Speaker 13: Bill, and many other people in the community can too,
• 32:51
  Speaker 13: Whereas there are people in the community how genuinely badly
• 32:55
  Speaker 13: off and they do need support in a variety of ways.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: But this is not the way to do it.
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 33:01
  Speaker 13: My reason we have high power bills is because we
• 33:04
  Speaker 13: continue to allow people who haven't got engineering degrees to
• 33:09
  Speaker 13: meddle in our electricity supply system. People who are Art's
• 33:13
  Speaker 13: law graduates, who philosophically think that they're going to save
• 33:18
  Speaker 13: the world by creating something which I think can't be achieved,
• 33:23
  Speaker 13: which is a totally renewable electricity supply industry, and ain't
• 33:27
  Speaker 13: going to work in terms of delivering efficients reliable power
• 33:33
  Speaker 13: at low cost.
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: I mean you never hear, by the way the energy.
• 33:36
  Speaker 13: Sector anybody, they never talk about driving prices down.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: They need to talk about customer service.
• 33:42
  Speaker 13: And again it's another symptom of where Australia is going
• 33:46
  Speaker 13: that it's all about the feel good the green stuff,
• 33:50
  Speaker 13: hang the expense and the cost of living impact. Oh
• 33:52
  Speaker 13: suddenly election coming on state labor, federal labor. Let's dish
• 33:57
  Speaker 13: out some sugar hits to actually pay over the cracks.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: I just wonder if there wasn't an election over the
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: horizon for Queensland and the Nation where that money would
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: have been dold out at all. Let's talk about the Gabba.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: You and I love talking about venues, particularly with the
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Brisbane Olympics coming up. Latest plan has a cost of
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: one point one billion dollars and it's going to build
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: or rebuild the Gabba. But the capacity of the ground
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: itself is going to be reduced by four thousand seats.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: How does that make any sense?
• 34:33
  Speaker 13: I just this is getting really confusing, mate. That's the
• 34:37
  Speaker 13: first thing I should say.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: The other thing I.
• 34:39
  Speaker 13: Should say is that the Courier Mail editorial that I
• 34:41
  Speaker 13: riped the government a new one on this issue. They've
• 34:45
  Speaker 13: then come out to try and say no, no, no,
• 34:47
  Speaker 13: there will not be a single seat lost, which I
• 34:50
  Speaker 13: think is almost something that can't be delivered. The reason
• 34:53
  Speaker 13: that's being sort of put forward behind the scenes is
• 34:56
  Speaker 13: that to actually get the Gabba to a situation where
• 35:00
  Speaker 13: is say disability access compliance today's standards probably probably work
• 35:06
  Speaker 13: place health and safety issues as well, that they do
• 35:09
  Speaker 13: need to make changes, which we'll see a reduction in
• 35:12
  Speaker 13: seats but comes at a horrific price. I think, really
• 35:18
  Speaker 13: this is all just turning into an absolute debarkle. And
• 35:21
  Speaker 13: I've probably said that before with you on this show,
• 35:24
  Speaker 13: and really I think we do actually, and I'm changing
• 35:27
  Speaker 13: my tune. I actually do think we need a new
• 35:30
  Speaker 13: stadium and it needs to be a stadium that will
• 35:33
  Speaker 13: make the State of Queensland proud and Brisbane residents proud,
• 35:36
  Speaker 13: and that can serve the community appropriately for generations to come.
• 35:41
  Speaker 13: I don't think fiddling around with a gabber is going
• 35:44
  Speaker 13: to work.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Finally, you've agreed with me, which has only taken us
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: about six weeks.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: But that's okay.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: I'm happy to but.
• 35:54
  Speaker 13: We don't agree on the location. They make the hands
• 35:57
  Speaker 13: off Victoria Parks, Steve.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: I will leave the location up to you, mate. That's
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: not in my wheelhouse. Thank you, Campbell Newman All. It's
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: great to catch up with you on a Friday. Still
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: coming up on the program What can be Done about
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Knife Crime in Australia. Crime editor of the Daily Telegraph
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Mark Murray will join me shortly. Plus the Sky News
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: exclusive investigation into microplastics in our food chain. More on
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: that up next. Welcome back to knife crime in just
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: a moment now. Recently, Sky News has lifted the lid
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: on a dangerous chemical polluting synthetic sport fields that many
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: of our children play on today. A second part of
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: that exclusive investigation has looked at how our food has
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: actually grown. In an Australian first. Sinus have now discovered
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: how microplastics are going from waste treatment water to farms,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: raising concerns that those toxins could end up in the
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: food chain. It's raised the era of Barnaby Joyce. Let's
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: bring in our reporter Jonathan Lee, who does great work
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: with our investigative unit. Jonathan, this could be huge for
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: things like organic food.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: I presume.
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  Speaker 5: Good evening to you, simply enormous.
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  Speaker 10: We continue to be told the day reckoning is coming
• 37:13
  Speaker 10: when it comes to poisons, pollutants and plastics, and we
• 37:17
  Speaker 10: learn more each time we dig into this. Scientists are
• 37:20
  Speaker 10: working feverishly hard to understand what it means for humans.
• 37:23
  Speaker 10: Our story this week looks at biosolids. It's a fertilizer effectively,
• 37:27
  Speaker 10: which comes from waste water and seems to be littered
• 37:30
  Speaker 10: with microplastics. The problem is, though, that it's tremendously popular
• 37:34
  Speaker 10: with farmers who've been told that it's organic. Some four
• 37:38
  Speaker 10: hundred thousand tons apparently are spread across.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: Australia each year.
• 37:42
  Speaker 10: We've also been told that roughly each kilo or each
• 37:44
  Speaker 10: tone rather has up to one point seven kilos of
• 37:47
  Speaker 10: these microplastics. This is the lead researcher who we interviewed
• 37:51
  Speaker 10: as part of our story, gives you an idea of
• 37:53
  Speaker 10: what it means.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 14: Personal care products, which of course would be closely tied
• 37:58
  Speaker 14: up with the serious system, are one of the source
• 38:01
  Speaker 14: of microplastics and so it should have been a people
• 38:04
  Speaker 14: should should have been aware that this is where this
• 38:07
  Speaker 14: product can come from. It's not just plastic people putting
• 38:10
  Speaker 14: plastic bakes on it all. It's not that it's personal
• 38:13
  Speaker 14: care products. And that's how we get microplastics present and
• 38:17
  Speaker 14: then go into the food chain and basically accumulate in
• 38:23
  Speaker 14: the file host, which could be you or meat.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: I'll give you the tips.
• 38:28
  Speaker 10: Steve Barnaby Jewis is now lead research, although he's a
• 38:31
  Speaker 10: very good politician. The point that's being made though is
• 38:34
  Speaker 10: the prevalence of the prevalence of these chemicals and Barnaby
• 38:38
  Speaker 10: Jews has made it explicitly clear there that when it
• 38:42
  Speaker 10: comes to personal hygiene and products, they're going into our
• 38:44
  Speaker 10: waste water and then they're being used on our turf fields.
• 38:48
  Speaker 10: Now we've asked around for some of the responses today.
• 38:50
  Speaker 10: Interesting to note that when I approach the Government Minister
• 38:52
  Speaker 10: Murray what leading up to this story and after we.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Still haven't heard anything back.
• 38:56
  Speaker 10: Or those involved in the organic industry though, should be
• 38:58
  Speaker 10: especially worried there is they use this product. The plants
• 39:02
  Speaker 10: themselves could absorb the microplastics, which are incredibly slow to degrade,
• 39:08
  Speaker 10: inevitably leading to them being in our produce and the
• 39:11
  Speaker 10: fruit that we eat, which enables it to cross into
• 39:14
  Speaker 10: the food chain. So let's have a first look at
• 39:16
  Speaker 10: the Organics Association who gave us the Australian Organic made
• 39:21
  Speaker 10: the point that it supports the continued reduction and the
• 39:24
  Speaker 10: use of harmful synthetic chemicals and additives in Australian agriculture.
• 39:29
  Speaker 10: Far more important, though, is the statement that comes from
• 39:32
  Speaker 10: Urban Utilities. It's significance because as I read it out
• 39:36
  Speaker 10: to you, they talk about microplastics being abundant They say
• 39:39
  Speaker 10: that research into microplastic is ongoing nationally and internationally and
• 39:42
  Speaker 10: its emerging issue that water utilities want to understand better.
• 39:47
  Speaker 10: There is currently no technology that fully removes microplastic from
• 39:50
  Speaker 10: wastewater treatment plants. However, research has shown that the majority
• 39:54
  Speaker 10: of microplastics in waste water network are captured in the
• 39:57
  Speaker 10: sludge and the biosolids. The big question here is Steve,
• 40:00
  Speaker 10: if it's being captured in that sludge and the bio solid,
• 40:03
  Speaker 10: and that biosolid is being turned into fertilizer, who is
• 40:06
  Speaker 10: being told about it? And are the farmers being warned
• 40:10
  Speaker 10: that the bicroplastics are in the fertilizer that they are using.
• 40:13
  Speaker 10: The farmers the two farms that were tested that were
• 40:15
  Speaker 10: proven to have these chemicals and these pollutants have reason
• 40:19
  Speaker 10: to ask now did they know? And what happens to
• 40:22
  Speaker 10: these farms which have the pollutants. It's an enormous issue.
• 40:25
  Speaker 10: It's one that's very hard to show on television. But
• 40:27
  Speaker 10: I'll tell you what it's important when it ends up
• 40:29
  Speaker 10: when you dinner plate.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great work as usual, Jonathan, Thank you very much
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: for that. Jonathan Lee, Well, I don't need to tell
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: anyone Knife crime is a huge issue at the moment.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I mean it's been brought into the spotlight obviously by
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: high profile cases like the Bondai stabbings last months that
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: left six people dead murdered the attack of course a
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: week later on a bishop in western Sydney. And an
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: horrendous story today about a young mother with a small
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: baby in a vehicle and a shopping center in Melbourne.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: A bloke approaches the car arm with a knife, forces
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: her to then drive around the suburbs while he's got
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: a knife at that baby's throat. It seems there's been
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: a new rise in knife crime of late. They were
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: close to fifteen hundred incidents in New South Wales in
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three alone, and the number of views that
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: have been caught carrying knives is on the rise in Queensland.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: And I mentioned Victoria. Let's talk to the Daily Telegraphs
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: crime editor regular on our program, Mark Murray. Great to
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: catch up with you again, Mark. How do police cope
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: with this though, and how do they counter it? Because
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: you know, it's very easy to hide a knife and
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: to get hold of one.
• 41:39
  Speaker 15: It is that and the incidents are really scary, and
• 41:42
  Speaker 15: the age is as you said, it's across the country.
• 41:45
  Speaker 15: New South Wales is in a horrendous state with what's happening.
• 41:49
  Speaker 15: I was talking to a teacher who took a knife off,
• 41:52
  Speaker 15: a large knife off an eight year old student just
• 41:54
  Speaker 15: the other week, and another person said that they caught
• 41:58
  Speaker 15: a fourteen year old girl with a me. So these
• 42:01
  Speaker 15: sorts of incidents and how you please it as is
• 42:04
  Speaker 15: really really difficult. It's totally different to the gun problem
• 42:07
  Speaker 15: which was addressed in ninety six. There's no buybacks. New
• 42:11
  Speaker 15: South Wales are looking at having wand so that they
• 42:14
  Speaker 15: can search people and I think we have to do that,
• 42:17
  Speaker 15: as much as it seems like an infringement, we have
• 42:20
  Speaker 15: to do it because people are dying, and particularly young people.
• 42:24
  Speaker 15: We have so many young people that have been killed
• 42:26
  Speaker 15: in these so called post court code wars in New
• 42:29
  Speaker 15: South Wales that I've never had to report so many
• 42:32
  Speaker 15: young people being stabbed in my career ever.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Market all in New South Wales.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: It seems to be a real problem around transport hubs
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: as well around railway stations. Kids armed with knives. I mean,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: I guess one of the things that the police could do,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: although their resources are stretched, would be to have a
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: presence at train stations with these wand implements and try
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: and at least clean it up that way. But God
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: help us mate. Well, I mean, what are eight year
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: olds at school do carrying knives? Where do they get
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: the idea that they ought to be doing that?
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know, And that is you know.
• 43:05
  Speaker 15: I spoke to the teacher and she said, look, you know,
• 43:08
  Speaker 15: we're just seeing this knife culture permeating. It's coming from
• 43:12
  Speaker 15: social media in a lot of ways. We have this trap,
• 43:15
  Speaker 15: this rap music and drill music which talks.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: About violence all the time.
• 43:20
  Speaker 15: We've got young people saying they're carrying knives to defend themselves.
• 43:23
  Speaker 9: Now.
• 43:24
  Speaker 15: I mean, in my day a knife was such a rarity.
• 43:27
  Speaker 15: You know, if you heard of somebody or a knife
• 43:30
  Speaker 15: as a teenager, it was front page news for days.
• 43:33
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 43:33
  Speaker 15: Now we're lucky. It happens all the time. And as
• 43:37
  Speaker 15: you said on the trains, now police regularly are on
• 43:40
  Speaker 15: New South Wales trains and they're hauling over and they
• 43:43
  Speaker 15: sometimes getting one hundred knives in a night.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton's the next copper I note in his budget
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: and replies speech last night. He says he wants to
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: implement a national uniform lord a combat knife crime, going
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: back to the gun laws. But as you said, this
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: is very different and you can't buy back knives. I mean,
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure what Peter Dutton really thinks is going
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: to happen, but clearly the state police commissioners and I
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: spent an hour and a half with the Victorian Police
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: commissioner this week for a Q and A that's in the.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Herald Sun tomorrow.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: He shakes his head and says, well, we don't know
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: what we can do about this. I mean, it's a problem,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: but we don't have any answers. Maybe the police commissioners
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: all need to get together.
• 44:27
  Speaker 15: They do, I mean, at least Peter Dutton's acknowledging the problem,
• 44:31
  Speaker 15: and as you said, as an ex copper, I'd like
• 44:33
  Speaker 15: to know what he's going to come up with, and
• 44:35
  Speaker 15: good luck for him for trying. But it is a
• 44:37
  Speaker 15: totally different situation to what we had in ninety six.
• 44:41
  Speaker 15: You can't have a knife license, you know, we police
• 44:46
  Speaker 15: weapons with the gun licenses and there's a gun registry.
• 44:49
  Speaker 15: I mean, it's a lot easier to control with the knives.
• 44:52
  Speaker 15: But as you said, I think maybe all those police
• 44:55
  Speaker 15: need to get together and see if they can come
• 44:57
  Speaker 15: up with something that can maybe try to stop all
• 45:00
  Speaker 15: this violence that's happening around knives.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: In that conversation with Commissioner Pattern, we talked about the
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: tobacco wars. You won't want to hear this, but he
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: did tip that it's going to spread to New South
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Wales and other states around the country. Last weekend, two
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: stores in Melbourne's northwest again firebond. I was amazed, Mark,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: but I'm sure you've written about this, but he told
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: me that if the organized crime gangs can get one
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: container of illegal cigarettes into the country undetected by border force,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: they can make seventeen million dollars out of that one container.
• 45:39
  Speaker 15: It is frightening the amount of money. So it's the
• 45:42
  Speaker 15: new cash crop. As they say, you know that, the
• 45:44
  Speaker 15: amount of money. And as I said, I've been watching
• 45:46
  Speaker 15: what's happening in Melbourne and it's amazing. I think up
• 45:49
  Speaker 15: to fifty premises have been Firebond. Now I've spoken in
• 45:54
  Speaker 15: New South Wales, please hear and they said, you know,
• 45:56
  Speaker 15: we haven't got that problem here yet. With one case
• 45:59
  Speaker 15: perhaps up on the North Coast that they know of,
• 46:02
  Speaker 15: which was related to illegal tobacco. But I'm backing our guys.
• 46:07
  Speaker 15: If the Commission is saying that down there, they'll be
• 46:10
  Speaker 15: all over it like a rush, especially now that you're
• 46:12
  Speaker 15: going to be printing it. I'll be reading that with
• 46:14
  Speaker 15: a lot of interest because we've avoided it so far
• 46:17
  Speaker 15: and it seems quite endemic down there.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: You know, one of the big differences in Victoria you
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: don't have to actually have a permit or a license
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: to sell tobacco, whereas in the other states you do.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: So what these crooks do. They turn up at a
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: legitimate tobacco retailer and say, from next week, you're going
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: to be selling these illegal cigarettes. The bloke says, no,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: thank you very much, I don't want to break the law.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Well that night his tobacco shop gets burned down. So
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: that's how it happens. It's old style mafia, isn't it.
• 46:48
  Speaker 15: Yeah, it is very much. And the amount of money,
• 46:51
  Speaker 15: as you said, is just is phenomenal. But I realized
• 46:54
  Speaker 15: the other night I was out with some young people
• 46:56
  Speaker 15: who went and bought cigarettes for twenty dollars, the illegal cigarettes,
• 47:00
  Speaker 15: whereas the legal ones same amount of serious.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Would have been sixty dollars.
• 47:04
  Speaker 15: That shows you why it's so profitable for these people
• 47:07
  Speaker 15: that start dealing in a legal trade and trying to
• 47:09
  Speaker 15: get around the taxes that the government are putting on
• 47:12
  Speaker 15: in the duty. You know, that's a huge amount of money.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Mark Murrial is a pleasure to catch up. Thank you
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: very much, mate, talk to you soon here.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Thanks a lot. Next up our panel, we'll have.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: A look at that betting scandal that broke in the
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: A League today. Does it affect our confidence in the
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: sport that we watch? Plus the odd landmark that could
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: soon receive heritage protection right here in Melbourne.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Welcome back, Friday Panel time now.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Sky News contributed to Joe Hildebrand and GT Communications gemo Tonyini.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Welcome to you both.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: I've got to start I'm afraid though, with a pretty
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: grim story. A man's held a woman in Melbourne horribly
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: at knife point with her young baby in the back
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: of her car. This happened in a Melbourne shopping center.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: He forced her the then drive around the suburbs buying
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: laptops while she was in the car with the child.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: She spoke about it today to have a listen to this.
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: The guy promise not to take her away, and he
• 48:14
  Speaker 7: promised and visually.
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: Hard to believe him.
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: But I had to believe him because I didn't want
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: I didn't want to how to be taken.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Jemmy, can you believe that?
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, imagine what you would be feeling as you're
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: sitting there.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: It is just horrendous.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, what's going on in our society where we
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: have crimes like this?
• 48:36
  Speaker 16: Well, the trauma in her voice, Steve, it's just horrendous
• 48:39
  Speaker 16: to listen to that poor woman. I don't know what's
• 48:43
  Speaker 16: going on, but I tell you what's not going on,
• 48:45
  Speaker 16: and that is appropriate consequences for a range of crimes
• 48:49
  Speaker 16: and a range of offenses. We've become so obsessed with
• 48:52
  Speaker 16: everybody gets a cuddle, and everybody gets, you know, a
• 48:54
  Speaker 16: second or third or fourth chance. I'm all about redemption.
• 48:57
  Speaker 16: I'm a Christian, It's the fundamental of my faith. You
• 49:00
  Speaker 16: do these sorts of things, there has to be a
• 49:03
  Speaker 16: price to pay, choices, consequences, rights, responsibilities, There is an
• 49:08
  Speaker 16: we are out of wax, team, we are out of
• 49:10
  Speaker 16: balance in this space.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Joe, just talk to the Great Mark Murray about this
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: knife front kids kids eight, nine, ten years old with knives?
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: What the hell is that about?
• 49:23
  Speaker 17: Yeah, it's outrageous. I think obviously we do need a
• 49:25
  Speaker 17: tougher crackdown. In New South Wales. They're going to be
• 49:27
  Speaker 17: giving ones to police, as Moz said, to be able
• 49:30
  Speaker 17: to search suspects or suspicious people for knives. I think
• 49:34
  Speaker 17: that needs to happen. This seems to be in an
• 49:36
  Speaker 17: entirely more depraved and sinister category. Though I know this
• 49:39
  Speaker 17: area really well. I used to live in dan Long.
• 49:42
  Speaker 17: I grew up in Danong and we had family in
• 49:44
  Speaker 17: Liverpool and lily Dale, so I've moved to Sydney now
• 49:47
  Speaker 17: lily Dale and Belgrade. We used to drive up Stud
• 49:49
  Speaker 17: Road past Stud Park in Rouville, you know, every other day,
• 49:53
  Speaker 17: and to think that it's sort of happening in a
• 49:55
  Speaker 17: place where he grew up just makes you feel sick,
• 49:57
  Speaker 17: especially as a parent.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Jemma, you've been to Melbourne plenty of times. You go
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: over the Bulty Bridge and as you go down past
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: the two service stations, they've got these white things on
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: top which they have described, can you believe it as
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Melbourne's version of the Opera House.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: They're now going to be.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Saved by some crowd who say that they have some
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: national significance. They can't have very good eyesight the people
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: who've made that decision.
• 50:22
  Speaker 16: I'm trying to visualize what you're talking about. I can't
• 50:25
  Speaker 16: think of anything that resembles the Sydney operahaps as I
• 50:28
  Speaker 16: drive into Melbourne.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be unkind.
• 50:30
  Speaker 16: The best thing about Melbourne is the.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Collingwood Football Club.
• 50:33
  Speaker 16: As you well knows, hat to get.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: It in there, hat to get it in there.
• 50:38
  Speaker 16: So I feel like sometimes these laws do get again,
• 50:42
  Speaker 16: get it out of whack, and this is a great
• 50:44
  Speaker 16: example of that.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: No I'm going in I think so, Jadie. You love
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: those garages, mate.
• 50:50
  Speaker 12: I do.
• 50:50
  Speaker 17: Actually again, we used to drive over the West Gate
• 50:52
  Speaker 17: Bridge and every year we used to go to a
• 50:54
  Speaker 17: Pollod Bay during the summer holidays and you'd see, you
• 50:57
  Speaker 17: see those things going out and why stop there? I
• 51:00
  Speaker 17: only get Dame Nellie Melbourn and the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra
• 51:02
  Speaker 17: putting on a concert in the Dunnies.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: You know, I delivered that full experience fantastic.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: Well said, sorry to cut you short to you guys,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: and it was a pleasure to catch up with you both.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: That's Joe Hildebrand and Jimmy Torni coming up after the Hour,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Craig Foster will join Danika de Giorgio.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: See you next week.