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Bitcoin EXPLODES to NEW All Time Highs!! (What's Next?) | EP 1285 · Simply Bitcoin

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  Yeah, Bitcoin just hit an all time high baby, $12,600 it's
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  running. Is Max Keiser's $220,000 Bitcoin
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  price prediction coming true? Well, Bitcoin just hit an all
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  time high of $12,600. It's running.
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  While we're live on air right now, Kaiser believes that you've
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  got less than 180 days left for his 225 prediction to come true.
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  And what is that prediction? Of course, I'm talking about
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  $220,000 Bitcoin. I mean, Kaiser has been saying
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  this for quite a while now. And don't forget Max Kaiser and
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  of course, his legendary wife Stacy Herbert was telling people
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  to buy Bitcoin since it was $0.30.
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  Check out this original clip. Julian Assange has been cut off
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  from this debt based system. You have without access to
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  credit, without access to your debit cards, to your, you know,
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  your, your actual credit card. If you can't, if you don't have
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  one of those cards that people will accept, you're cut off from
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  the whole financial system. So as WikiLeaks has has been,
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  you know, he's, they're being attacked by the various banks
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  around the world. So one solution is Bitcoin, and
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  this is, it differs because there's no central bank or other
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  kind of controlling interest. It's entirely decentralized.
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  Bitcoins are transferred between individuals or businesses by
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  specifying their Bitcoin address and then transactions are
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  conducted through a peer-to-peer network.
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  So there's no single point of weakness, and nobody can stop
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  the Bitcoin system or censor it short of turning off the entire
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  Internet. Yeah, that's fantastic.
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  You got to have both the digital currencies, P2P network take on
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  the banks while simultaneously loading the boat with silver.
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  Stacey, Edward, thanks so much for bringing out the Kaiser
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  report. Absolute legend.
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  I mean, they called this 15 years ago, Bitcoin price was
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  trading at 1330 cents per coin. Stick around because we're also
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  going to breakdown 3 reasons as to why this Bitcoin bull market
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  is potentially about to accelerate as we head into Q3
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  and Q4 of 2025. Historically, the year after the
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  halving is when you have the most explosive price
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  appreciation in bitcoins history.
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  So we're going to be covering, of course, the Kaiser price
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  prediction recap. We're going to be talking about
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  the supply shock that is currently happening on
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  exchanges. And we're going to be talking,
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  of course, about the US government's embrace of Bitcoin.
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  We're all paying attention to the July 22nd date because that
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  is the date the US government seemed to make an announcement
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  saying, hey, listen, we've been buying Bitcoin.
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  We, we, this is our plan to buy Bitcoin.
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  It's going to be absolutely fantastic.
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  And of course, the corporate treasuries, the Bitcoin treasury
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  companies, they're buying all the corn.
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  Eventually you could put that beach ball underwater for so
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  long, but if you let it go, that thing tends to explode.
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  Anyways, sitting next to me in the Coho seat today, joining me
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  is my beautiful wife, Internet Sophie in the house.
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  How you doing, Sophie? I'm doing well.
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  Thank you so much for having me today.
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  I will be pushing buttons. So here we go.
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  I think you're going. To be doing a lot more than
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  pushing buttons. You're going to be joining me on
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  the cohost seat. I'm really excited to you know,
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  your commentary and it was so fitting watching Max and Stacy,
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  you know, husband and wife covering Bitcoin, you know, and
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  it's it's it's fitting covering this on this day with you on the
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  show today. So Sophie.
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  Dare we say it's prophetic? I didn't say that you said that,
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  but I'll take it. But what I will say is that
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  Sophie, you've been on this, on this journey with me, you know,
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  since we both got into Bitcoin, you by proxy nine years ago,
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  it's been an absolutely roller coaster ride.
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  I mean, the first couple of years you thought I was
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  absolutely crazy. And then you're like, number go
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  up, baby, number go up. So what's your take?
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  I mean, do you think Kaiser's right, $220,000 Bitcoin?
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  Do you think we'll see it by the end of the year?
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  I mean, let's be realistic. I think 2025 has been a let down
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  for a lot of people. A lot of people were expecting
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  better price action, but we've basically been going sideways
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  since the inauguration of Trump. Now we're hitting all time highs
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  at $112,600. So that's fantastic.
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  But I remember the days when Bitcoin broke all time highs and
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  it just left the previous highs in the dust.
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  Like we're hitting these all time highs, but it's like kind
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  of like a tease. Sophie, what's your take?
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  My take is, you know, there's been a lot of things in the news
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  that despite them being good for the growth of Bitcoin, have
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  also, you know, been bad for the world.
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  And I think that the like, for example, the war in Iran and
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  everything, that's kind of like making people be on edge with
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  markets in general. I think that, you know, Max
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  Keiser is on the money with this, but not because he's being
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  delusional or prophetic in any way, but because he is calling
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  for the end of Fiat. He's calling for the de
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  dollarization worldwide. You know, the Fed is signaling
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  rate cuts, which you know is going to make the money printer
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  go Burr. It's going to make the the
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  dollar lose value. To be specific, like actually
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  Powell right now and and Trump are actually going at it.
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  There's like kind of like the Civil War and Bessent.
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  This is be like one of the first times in U.S. history.
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  Bessent is basically signaling they're telling the market that
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  Bessent actually wants to replace Powell.
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  That would be a first. That's never really happened
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  before. So we have all that coverage
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  during the news, but I want to bring it back to Max Keiser.
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  This 220K price prediction. Do you agree?
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  Do you disagree? I, I honestly don't think it's
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  unreasonable. There's so many people, so many
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  institutions buying Bitcoin right now that it's not in the
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  realm of like impossibility, right?
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  We've seen crazier things happen in Bitcoin.
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  And so this is totally, totally possible.
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  And you know, for the people who watch the show, this is the
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  hopium show. So I'm going to say yes, I
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  completely agree. I think that this will happen.
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  I even agree with someone who's a little bit more than Max
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  Keiser who says that 500K at the end of the year, I don't know if
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  you guys know him, he's sitting right next to me, but I, I, I
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  think that it's totally possible.
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  Again, crazier things have happened in bull markets and I'm
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  totally hopeful because if I don't hope in this, then you
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  know, what else do I have to hope for?
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  Yeah, absolutely. I 100% agree with that.
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  All right, ladies and gentlemen, so I told you that there was 3
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  reasons as to why we were bullish.
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  Of course, you know, Max Keis prediction is being taken more
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  seriously. Bitcoin again, you know, it's
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  hitting all time high. So people are thinking okay, you
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  know, maybe we can hit this 220K and 2025.
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  And remember Kaiser again has a very good track record of
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  Bitcoin. You know, again, $0.30 is when
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  he originally started covering it him and his wife Stacy
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  Herbert. But another bullish reason is
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  take a look at this. This is the amount of Bitcoin
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  held on exchanges and it's basically hitting all time lows
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  while the price of Bitcoin is hitting all time highs.
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  And of course, this has to do with the fact that, you know,
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  all these exchanges are selling bit are selling Bitcoin to the
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  treasury companies. The treasury companies are
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  accumulating all this Bitcoin. People are taking Bitcoin into
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  self custody. If there's not Bitcoin to sell,
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  right, it's down to 2.3 million Bitcoin on exchanges.
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  What do you think's going to happen to that beach ball?
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  It's going to go absolutely parabolic.
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  Another thing that I want to bring up to you guys as well is
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  check out this Forbes article. Wall Street quietly brace for
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  crypto floodgates to open as Bitcoin suddenly tops all time
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  high price. So again, the overall market is
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  feeling overly bullish right now and I'm going to read some of
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  this. Bitcoin has topped its previous
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  all time high, climbing above 1212 thousand.
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  How do you say that number? 112,000.
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  Thank you. I'm blanking right now per
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  Bitcoin as Tesla billionaire Elon Musk confirms wild Bitcoin
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  rumors. The Bitcoin price has surged
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  over the last year, climbing thanks to a perfect storm of
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  U.S. President Donald Trump's embrace
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  of crypto and Wall Street piling into Bitcoin ETFs.
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  It goes on to say now as traders eye trillions and trillions of
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  dollars that some think could be about to flow into Bitcoin in
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  crypto. As a closely watched Wall Street
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  analyst has predicted, the floodgates are about to open for
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  crypto ETFs. I mean, ladies and gentlemen,
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  like the stars are aligning, the planets are aligning.
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  And of course, I'm going to end it with this.
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  Extremely bullish. This was a tweet from the White
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  House earlier on this year. We were covering it initially
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  when the news dropped, but this is a post from the White House
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  quote. America will be the Bitcoin
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  superpower of the world. The golden age of America has
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  begun. And again, the official
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  announcement is going to be dropping July 22nd.
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  That's where we're going to know if the government has been
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  buying, if they have the intention of buying in a budget
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  neutral way. Perhaps the price is running up
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  in anticipation of that. Perhaps an insiders know
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  something that we don't. Sophie, what's your take?
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  Again, I think it's the fact that we are on our way to de
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  dollarization. It's not so much that these
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  cycles are repeating or that so many people and institutions are
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  buying. It's that people are finally
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  realizing that keeping their value in the dollar is not
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  serving them. And so if you see that chart
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  like you see a lot less people holding their Bitcoin in
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  exchanges, that means that people are actually taking the
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  time to go through the pain to learn about self custody, which
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  means that they are understanding the value of
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  keeping the money to themselves, huddling really actually not
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  spending this and treating it like an asset class, but really
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  more as a life vest for the future because they see that
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  things are are happening. The this 4th turning is not over
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  just yet. It's actually just beginning and
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  we are we are starting to see the signals of that by people
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  taking Bitcoin in self custody and taking it very seriously.
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  Yeah, absolutely, 100%. I mean, I think that's the the
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  signal out of all this is again, if it's not your keys, not your
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  cheese. And while everyone, you know, I
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  think that this cycle specifically what people are
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  really focusing on are the Bitcoin treasury companies.
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  The Bitcoin treasury companies are getting the vast amount of
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  attention. But in reality, what people
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  would people should really be focusing on is again, you know,
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  Bitcoin is being adopted worldwide.
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  Someone in the in the in the in the chat.
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  OK, Nico, but zoom in on Sophie. I agree.
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  She's mine anyways, as my beautiful wife, of course, but
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  I, I, I want to continue. I'm getting sidetracked here by
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  these. He's getting distracted.
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  Oh my God. I'm getting flustered.
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  I'm getting flustered. This is like the when we first
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  met. So what I was going to say is
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  no, I now I've lost my train of thought.
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  You were going to tell people to buy Bitcoin and take it into
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  self? Custom, No, no, no.
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  OK. So yes, the Bitcoin treasury
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  companies right now are getting all the attention, but in
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  reality, it's like you guys have to understand that Bitcoin is
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  being adoption adopted on a worldwide scale.
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  I mean, I think it was originally Max Kaiser that
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  posted this. And, and I do want to read, I do
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  want to read the I do want to read the, the the post because
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  it was, it was really, really insightful and Max has been
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  super insightful for many, many years now.
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  Where's the post? I have to find it.
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  I just read it here It is. Primary use of Bitcoin is
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  separating money from state number go up is just part of the
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  incentive and tech stack comprising the protocol.
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  Self custody Bitcoin is perfect money.
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  LBCS and ETFs unite Bitcoin with state and adds risks.
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  Are these risks as such fully disclosed and I completely
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  agree. So you guys have to understand
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  and I and I actually posted this, but before we went on the
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  show, actually, I do want to give a shout out to the price.
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  12,700 on the verge of breaking, 12,700 hit the air horn.
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  So I do want to say like, yes, the treasury companies are
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  great. They get exposure, Wall Street
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  gets exposure to Bitcoin, but remember it's only Bitcoin in
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  self custody. You got to get yourself one of
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  these and you got to put that Bitcoin in self custody.
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  That's actually going to change everything, right?
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  So just to summarize the intro a little bit here, Max Keiser's
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  $220,000 prediction looks like it might be proven true here in
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  2025. I think that's a 2X from here.
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  That would be absolutely fantastic.
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  I want to bring up this this I want to share this screen for a
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  second because this he went on Daniela Combone show, but big,
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  big fan of hers. She's a great content creator.
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  And I think in the title, the title said what happened to
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  $220,000 Bitcoin Max Kaiser says no damage done.
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  And a title is kind of like aggressive towards Mike, like
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  basically like look like, you know, like you got that wrong.
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  But as Max Keiser is point correctly pointed out, the price
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  is up 700% since this interview two years ago.
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  I mean, like what, what, what other asset is going to give you
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  that type of return? Again, the Bitcoin on exchanges
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  is heading to all time lows. There's not enough Bitcoin to go
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  around. Wall Street is taking interest
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  on absolute scarcity, and of course, the most powerful
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  government on the face of the planet is basically saying that
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  the United States wants to be the Bitcoin superpower of the
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  world. Sophie, any comments before we
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  move on to the numbers segment? You know, I think people are
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  getting really hung up on the price of Bitcoin and they're
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  getting fixated on previous cycles and saying like, oh, we
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  need a three XA4XA5X, whatever. And they still haven't learned
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  how to zoom out. They haven't learned that
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  Bitcoin is the best performing asset on the face of the planet.
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  It's been the best performing asset since it came out.
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  And you know, they they get hung up on trying to prove everybody
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  wrong. And that confuses me.
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  Why do you want Bitcoin to fail so badly?
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  Why is it that those who don't understand Bitcoin want it to go
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  down in the drains? And you don't just notice this
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  with big institutions. You notice it with people who
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  you know, you talk to day-to-day.
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  You might notice it with your family.
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  You might notice it with your friends.
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  They'll be like, oh, you're still doing that Bitcoin thing.
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  And it's like, yeah, dog, it's up 700% since two years ago.
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  What asset are you buying that has done that well?
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  And which one is, is completely in your for possession?
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  The answer is none. And so again, I think that
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  people are waking up to this fact.
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  Although the institutions and the governments, they're finally
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  on on board and they're taking the obstacles away from us.
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  It is not enough. It's actually up to individuals
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  like you and me to take Bitcoin into self custody and to spread
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  the word and to spread the awareness that the collapse of
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  Fiat is imminent. And if we don't take
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  responsibility, if we don't buy Bitcoin, put it in self custody,
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  then we have absolutely no hope for the future.
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  I absolutely 100% agree with you.
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  By the way, I do want to give a shout out to the live stream 571
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  Smash that like button rumble and of course the X audience,
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  1200 people watching live on X and we got a comment for from
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  Mexico super chat. Thank you.
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  Appreciate the $10 dude. Can we do one screen on Sophie
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  only please for the rest of the show?
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  That is absolutely hilarious. I appreciate it.
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  Yeah, appreciate it. Thank.
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  Thank you for the compliment. Appreciate the Super chat.
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  Mexico, Mexico huddle. Thank you so much for supporting
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  the show, guys. We have a hell of a show lined
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  up for you guys. We're going to be talking about
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  a ton of things. We have a clip of Ricardo
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  Salinas going hard in the paint, basically saying what Max Keiser
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  was saying. And again, this is one of the
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  richest men in Mexico. Then I believe it's a recent
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  interview that he did with, of course, Robert Breedlove,
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  phenomenal content creator and podcaster in the Bitcoin space.
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  And then there's kind of like this civil war going on where
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  Trump is basically trying to get a Powell out of office.
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  Like he, he, he wants, he wants, he wants Powell to resign.
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  And we have Senator Lummis that's, that's calling for the
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  same thing. We have Pulte, who is the US
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  director of, of Federal Housing, calling for an investigation of
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  Jerome Powell for alleged corruption.
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  I actually had an interview with with Caitlin Long.
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  It should be dropping this weekend and she's basically
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  making the case that the that the Fed has been acting
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  politically. Remember, the Fed is supposed to
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  be an independent institution and the reason that it's
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  protected is because it's supposed to be an independent
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  institution. But what happens if that
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  so-called independent institution starts to act
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  politically? And I think this is where we're
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  at now. And I think it's not a
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  coincidence that it's acting politically when you have the
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  first pro Bitcoin president in the White House.
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  I don't think any of those things are coincidences.
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  I think all those things are related.
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  So we have a hell of a show lined up for you guys.
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  We have tons of content, tons of breaking news and then during
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  the culture segment. So we are just going to be
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  talking essentially about, you know, it's so I mean like nine
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  years together on this Bitcoin roller coaster.
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  What's it been like, you know, as as as a wife of a Bitcoiner,
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  like what's it been like, you know, the early days of simply,
• 19:31
  we'll just kind of reminisce and talk about that.
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  Hopefully that'll be valuable to a lot of you guys listening, you
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  know, because the early days there's a lot of uncertainty,
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  you know, especially you know when, like when you first get
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  into Bitcoin, it's taking self custody, running a node orange
• 19:47
  Pilling your family. We're going to be talking about
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  all of that like it's not easy. Ladies and gentlemen, maybe it
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  seems easy, like you're watching it from the outside, but it's
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  not easy. So we're going to go take a trip
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  down memory lane and hopefully, you know you guys find value
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  today. Alright everybody, Oh, let me
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  change. I think there's a there's echo
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  on your side for yeah, sorry, one second.
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  OK, guys. Sorry.
• 23:39
  So we have the CEO of Roxham joining us today.
• 23:43
  We have Borha. Borha, thank you so much for
• 23:45
  joining us. How you doing man?
• 23:49
  Hey guys, how are you? I'm so good here in Argentina
• 23:52
  winter cold but Bitcoin time high.
• 23:55
  So thank you for for having us. How are you guys?
• 23:58
  Thank you so. Much for joining us.
• 23:59
  So we're going to talk more about rocks during the culture
• 24:03
  segment, but before we get to it, I do want to get straight
• 24:06
  into numbers. Ladies and gentlemen, at the
• 24:08
  time of recording, the Bitcoin price is $112,700 Block height,
• 24:13
  904,942 sats per dollar, 887 SAT's per dollar Market cap 2.24
• 24:22
  trillion Bitcoin versus gold market cap 9.61%.
• 24:26
  Declined from all time high point -.1%.
• 24:30
  We're hitting all time highs, baby.
• 24:31
  Realize monetary inflation. My favorite stat in Bitcoin
• 24:34
  .85%. All right everybody, we got a
• 24:37
  special video lined up for you guys to talk about during the
• 24:40
  numbers. Again, we got Ricardo Salinas,
• 24:43
  one of the richest men in Mexico, huge proponent of
• 24:47
  Bitcoin, talking to Robert Breedlove about Fiat, about the
• 24:51
  central banking system and how you could use Bitcoin to escape.
• 24:55
  So we're going to be talking about that.
• 24:57
  Let's play the clip and then we'll do an analysis.
• 25:01
  Listen, this, this Fiat thing which is a direct consequence of
• 25:06
  Keynesian economics, has to be put to, you know, like a spike
• 25:11
  the vampire in with a silver bullet through the heart.
• 25:16
  We really need to get rid of Fiat.
• 25:19
  So the only way is to have a better option.
• 25:24
  And in that respect, that's why I'm I'm so optimistic about
• 25:27
  Bitcoin because more and more people will come to realize that
• 25:32
  the way to get insulated from inflation is through Bitcoin.
• 25:38
  Now, there's another thing. You know, the governments,
• 25:43
  they're so tricky because they're the ones who measure
• 25:49
  inflation. Yeah, of course.
• 25:52
  The CPI. Oh, yes, the CPI says 2.1 are
• 25:57
  precisely not 2.22 point 1, not 2.02.1.
• 26:02
  What the hell is this? And how'd they come up with that
• 26:05
  number who feels 2.1? No, no.
• 26:09
  But then you turn around and and you see that the car is
• 26:12
  $100,000. You know, it used to be 20.
• 26:18
  It's, it's such a scam. I just don't believe, it's hard
• 26:22
  to, to believe that, that, that the more people don't realize
• 26:25
  it, you know, and, and then there's another even we talk
• 26:29
  about the inflationary tax, which means how the prices of
• 26:34
  goods and services rise, you know, because of the currency
• 26:37
  debasement. But that does not take into
• 26:42
  account that in the past 40 years, we have had a huge
• 26:49
  technological deflation, which should have made us all much
• 26:53
  richer and prices should have been much lower in all respects.
• 26:57
  All that technological deflation, instead of being in
• 27:01
  the people's pockets is in the government's purchasing power.
• 27:05
  So it's a double theft. This is more sophisticated.
• 27:09
  It's not just the inflation, It's all the the the deflation
• 27:13
  that the government took for their own benefit.
• 27:17
  So I mean. It's so much sauce there, so
• 27:20
  much signal hitting the nail on the absolute head and it kind of
• 27:24
  reminds me of this recent discussion I had with Jeff
• 27:28
  Booth. By the way, I think one of the
• 27:29
  most watched videos on Simply Bitcoin about to hit 200,000
• 27:33
  views. And he was basically talking
• 27:36
  about how the natural state of the free market is deflationary.
• 27:40
  But because of Fiat, it's, it becomes inflationary, right?
• 27:45
  Because of the government's manipulation control of money.
• 27:48
  And what Ricardo was saying about that 2% number, where did
• 27:51
  that come from? Like so money needs to basically
• 27:55
  steal from you at a 2% basis in order for it to function.
• 27:59
  No, it doesn't need to do that. In fact, every single, every
• 28:03
  single block that keeps being, you know, found and discovered
• 28:07
  and every single day that Bitcoin continues to exist, it
• 28:11
  proves that Bitcoin, that money can exist without inflation.
• 28:16
  In fact, if you've been saving and using Bitcoin as your unit
• 28:20
  of account as your money, everything around you has been
• 28:24
  getting cheaper. So food, housing, I live in
• 28:28
  Miami. I remember when the housing,
• 28:30
  when the the pandemic happened and the Fed started printing all
• 28:35
  the money that it did and the housing prices doubled here in
• 28:39
  the in, in in the city and equities like basically doubled
• 28:43
  overnight with that was a form of hyperinflation that was in
• 28:46
  form of inflation that was due to the money that was being
• 28:49
  printed. It wasn't that fact that the
• 28:51
  actual cost of these houses doubled.
• 28:54
  That didn't actually happen. It was because of the money that
• 28:56
  was printed. But if you were using Bitcoin as
• 28:59
  a unit of account, despite housing doubling in Fiat terms,
• 29:04
  housing has actually gotten cheaper in Bitcoin terms, which
• 29:08
  is the way that the free market should operate.
• 29:11
  So my last message before I pass it on to Bora, because Bora,
• 29:15
  where you're from, Argentina, we're from Venezuela, we
• 29:18
  understand what hyperinflation is like, my friend.
• 29:20
  Before passing on to Bora, I'll say, listen, the American dream
• 29:24
  is not dead. You're just using the wrong unit
• 29:27
  of account. In fact, it's not only the
• 29:29
  American Dream anymore, it's the worldwide dream.
• 29:32
  Anyone, If you're saving on a Bitcoin standard, you're going
• 29:35
  to be able to afford that apartment that you want, that
• 29:38
  car that you want. It's not a question of will you
• 29:41
  be able to afford it. It's a question of do you have
• 29:43
  the discipline to save and to huddle enough to benefit from
• 29:47
  the price appreciation of Bitcoin because of its absolute
• 29:51
  scarcity. Anyways, Borja, welcome to the
• 29:53
  show. Thank you so much for joining
• 29:55
  us. What's your take on that very
• 29:57
  passionate, very powerful message from Borja?
• 30:01
  Again, we're all Latinos here. My wife and I are Venezuelan.
• 30:05
  You're Argentinian. Ricardo Salinas is Mexican,
• 30:08
  right? This is something that has hit,
• 30:11
  you know, our countries the most, this hyperinflation of
• 30:14
  these local currencies, of these sovereign currencies in it, and
• 30:18
  it's very difficult for people to live or how.
• 30:20
  What's your take? Yeah, Nico, 100%.
• 30:24
  I mean, we've we've seen this already, right?
• 30:26
  And something we like to say Bitcoiners in Argentina and I
• 30:31
  think it applies to to Venezuela as well.
• 30:34
  There's a big chance I believe that Satoshi was Argentine or or
• 30:38
  Venezuelan, right? Because it just doesn't make
• 30:41
  sense. And what Ricardo here is saying
• 30:44
  and something that we've seen in our own countries, you guys in
• 30:47
  Venezuela, we in Argentina is there is no other possibility
• 30:54
  for Fiat to go down if you just think that we are just printing
• 30:58
  money, I'm printing money, I'm printing money.
• 31:00
  Just just to give here everybody a context in Argentina up to
• 31:09
  early last year, so until January 24, interest rates were
• 31:14
  150 from the central bank. So our Fed rates, the Fed rates
• 31:18
  in Argentina were 150% APY, right?
• 31:23
  So this means that our Fed was more than doubling.
• 31:28
  So it was like one point, it was more than doubling the monetary
• 31:33
  base and the of money in Argentina.
• 31:37
  So that just makes that makes absolutely no sense.
• 31:40
  So what we've seen in Argentina also is that if you are printing
• 31:44
  constantly, printing money constantly, and all you're doing
• 31:47
  is just printing money and printing money and having these
• 31:50
  interest rates that then you so and you pay the interests by
• 31:54
  printing more money. And everything you do is by
• 31:56
  printing more money. There is no other destination as
• 32:04
  just a complete divestment. And in the US people are not
• 32:08
  aware of this. In Europe, people are not aware
• 32:11
  of this, but this is what's going to happen.
• 32:15
  What's going to happen in the US and in Europe and in our
• 32:18
  countries where they have like solid interest rates and a huge
• 32:23
  debt accumulation and just a printing of currency, is that
• 32:27
  eventually these currencies will get completely debased.
• 32:31
  I mean, yeah, the our Argentine peso, you're a Bolivar.
• 32:35
  In Venezuela, we went faster because our interest rates and
• 32:39
  our printing rhythm and cadency was much higher.
• 32:44
  But it's going to happen the same thing to the US or to
• 32:46
  Europe. Like I mean, at the end of the
• 32:48
  day, if you're printing money out of thin air, there is no
• 32:52
  other destination than failure. And this is what many times I
• 32:56
  get desperate when I talk with people in the US and in Europe
• 32:59
  that they think, no, we're the dollar, we're the euro.
• 33:01
  Dude, you are going to the first sign is inflation of
• 33:06
  depreciation of currency. The first sign is inflation and
• 33:09
  then as inflation continues to go higher and higher and higher,
• 33:13
  suddenly you can't pay your debt.
• 33:16
  Just money is burning and nobody wants that money.
• 33:20
  Nobody wants the Argentine peso in Argentina, and then you get
• 33:23
  economic, economic crisis, you know.
• 33:25
  So my take is regardless, absolutely spot on.
• 33:29
  You guys know it very well. We know it very well.
• 33:32
  And honestly, it's not to be bearish with the dollar or with
• 33:35
  the euro, but if we continue to print and print and print money
• 33:41
  crisis is the ultimate and only possible destination of of these
• 33:48
  process. So what can I tell you?
• 33:49
  I mean, Jack murders was was saying this the other day.
• 33:53
  We're in a Great Depression right now.
• 33:55
  And I completely agree. Absolutely. 100% the Great
• 33:58
  Depression of Fiat, you know, it, it, it, it obfuscates that
• 34:02
  people don't realize that they're being taxed.
• 34:04
  I mean, again, it, it's specifically in the, in, in, you
• 34:07
  know, in the United States or in Europe, they, they don't
• 34:09
  understand, right? They don't understand they're
• 34:11
  being stolen from. I think in our countries, it's,
• 34:14
  it's very obvious. It forces you, it forces people
• 34:17
  to start asking the question, what is money very, very quickly
• 34:21
  because you lose faith in the local currency.
• 34:24
  Inflation is theft. Inflation is not normal.
• 34:27
  Your currency should not lose purchasing power.
• 34:30
  This is what Bitcoin fixes. Bitcoin fixes this.
• 34:34
  And if you if Bitcoin fixes this, it fixes a lot of it fixes
• 34:37
  a lot of problems for people because people actually have the
• 34:41
  ability to say for the future. They don't have to become a part
• 34:44
  time investor just to maintain their purchasing power.
• 34:47
  It fixes a lot of things. Not to mention the quality of
• 34:50
  goods that just tends to decline due to the shrink flation effect
• 34:55
  that you see. Like companies try to keep the
• 34:57
  price of goods at the same price, but they have to start
• 35:01
  cutting corners in the production because of inflation
• 35:05
  because the cost of goods gets more expensive.
• 35:07
  Sophie, do you have any thoughts before we move on to the next
• 35:10
  segment, I mean? Leave it to a billionaire to
• 35:13
  realize that your money isn't supposed to devaluate overtime.
• 35:18
  You know, I think it's interesting that this is
• 35:21
  happening in Mexico. I think the US kind of has like
• 35:24
  this friendly competition with Mexico.
• 35:26
  And so it, it will be interesting to see how
• 35:29
  influential people push for the adoption of Bitcoin in Mexico
• 35:34
  because ultimately, like, this is where we want it to end,
• 35:37
  right? We want more countries to adopt
• 35:39
  Bitcoin and to get off of a Fiat standard so that their people
• 35:44
  can stop having a currency that is, you know, completely
• 35:48
  worthless. And so it's interesting to see
• 35:50
  influential very rich people understanding this concept.
• 35:54
  Some, you know, better than most.
• 35:56
  I think it was. It's actually mind blowing to me
• 35:59
  at this point when people understand it to this level, it
• 36:01
  reminds me of sailor. This could be like the Mexican
• 36:04
  sailor. And and when they do understand
• 36:07
  it this well, other people follow whether they understand
• 36:12
  it or not, they just follow because they want to do the
• 36:14
  thing that most benefits them. So it's very exciting to see
• 36:19
  this happening again. This follows A trend that
• 36:21
  institutions are buying, governments are falling in line
• 36:25
  and you know, everything goes to zero against Bitcoin.
• 36:28
  So it's it's a natural tendency. And I am not surprised at all to
• 36:33
  see billionaires following suit. Absolutely. 100% agree with you.
• 36:38
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  We are heading into uncharted territory.
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  This has never happened before. Before I jump into that, this
• 40:26
  isn't Trump only criticizing Jerome Powell or Jay Powell.
• 40:31
  It is also the Bitcoin senator, Senator Lummus Jay Powell has
• 40:37
  proven time and time again that he is unfit to run, run the Fed.
• 40:42
  He must resign now. Also, check out this posting
• 40:47
  from Pulte. Pulte is the US director of
• 40:50
  Federal Housing. It goes on to it goes on to say,
• 40:53
  quote, I am asking Congress to investigate Chairman Jerome
• 40:57
  Powell, his political bias, and his deceptive Senate testimony,
• 41:03
  which is enough to be removed for 'cause Jerome Powell.
• 41:07
  Jerome Powell's 2.5 building renovation scandal stinks to
• 41:11
  high heaven and he lied when asked about the specifics before
• 41:15
  Congress. This is nothing short of
• 41:17
  malfeasance and is worthy of for 'cause as Senator Lummus said,
• 41:23
  Jerome Powell made a number of factually inaccurate statements
• 41:28
  to the committee regarding the feds.
• 41:30
  Plush private dinner room and elevator skylights water feature
• 41:35
  and roof Terrance and this is typical of the mismanagement and
• 41:39
  don't bother me attitude that Chair Powell has always shown.
• 41:44
  It's interesting too, because I spoke to again, Caitlin Long.
• 41:48
  Caitlin Long is trying to launch the first Bitcoin native bank
• 41:53
  here in the United States coming out of Wyoming.
• 41:56
  And she has had such a hard time getting a Fed master account.
• 42:02
  And the conclusion that she came to, actually the conclusion that
• 42:04
  me and Opti, he came to is the Fed has been acting politically.
• 42:09
  And if it's been acting politically, it shouldn't have.
• 42:13
  That. Independent protection.
• 42:16
  The fact that again, the Fed is has a mandate, the Fed's mandate
• 42:20
  is to keep inflation under control.
• 42:22
  Haha, that that's actually makes me laugh after listening to
• 42:25
  Ricardo Salinas. It has to keep unemployment
• 42:29
  under control. That's the that's the mandate
• 42:31
  the Fed has, right? It's not supposed to act
• 42:34
  politically, but it's hasn't been it's been acting extremely
• 42:38
  politically. It isn't neutral.
• 42:40
  It's become a political tool, propping up markets before
• 42:45
  elections to favor the regime and quietly banking, quietly
• 42:49
  backing financial censorship when it suits their narrative.
• 42:53
  During Operation Choke .2 Point O, the Fed helped cut off crypto
• 42:58
  firms from the banking system without legislation, just
• 43:03
  pressure and memos. Bitcoin companies were debanked
• 43:07
  and even solvent institutions like Signature were shuttered
• 43:11
  for being too Bitcoin friendly. Again, not acting neutral
• 43:17
  whatsoever. Here's the president in his
• 43:20
  latest thoughts. I believe this interview was
• 43:22
  from yesterday. And then I have a question for
• 43:25
  the Attorney General, Jerome Powell, who you've been
• 43:28
  pressuring to lower interest rates.
• 43:29
  He's facing accusations of lying to Congress, which is a
• 43:32
  potential crime about the OP. He should resign.
• 43:35
  Immediately, we should get somebody in there that's going
• 43:37
  to lower interest rates. Why don't you call?
• 43:40
  For his resignation, it's do you.
• 43:42
  Want congressional Republicans to investigate and pursue me?
• 43:45
  I think he's terrible. I think, look, we're paying.
• 43:48
  I call him too late TOO, too late.
• 43:50
  Like 2 tall germs for the Dallas Cowboys right too.
• 43:54
  Late. He's always late, but he wasn't
• 43:58
  late with Biden before the election.
• 43:59
  He was cutting him like crazy. It didn't help too much, did it?
• 44:02
  But he was cutting him like crazy before the election with
• 44:05
  Kamala. And Biden?
• 44:07
  He was trying to get them in, I guess.
• 44:09
  I don't know. He was recommended by somebody.
• 44:10
  That worked for me. I like you better.
• 44:17
  Trump being an AB savage again saying hey, listen, he's he's
• 44:21
  not been acting neutral. By the way, I do want to give a
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• 44:26
  verge of breaking 700 live viewers on YouTube, 100 live
• 44:29
  viewers on Rumble and 2157 live viewers on X and we are at a
• 44:38
  Bitcoin all time high where $18,198 again big celebration,
• 44:50
  of course, very very fitting. We have the C the CEO and Co
• 44:55
  founder of Roxum joining us on the show today, Borja and we're
• 44:59
  going to be talking about and it's not 13 K and he got Did I
• 45:02
  say it wrong again, Sophie? Sophie, could you say the actual
• 45:05
  number? Because clearly I have a problem
• 45:07
  with these big numbers. It's 113,191 thousand.
• 45:13
  Thank you, Sophie. I don't know why.
• 45:14
  That's so difficult. Wait, it's hard.
• 45:16
  For me too right one. 113,000 I almost can't.
• 45:19
  Believe It 100. Dollars again to celebrate To
• 45:24
  celebrate also guys you're going to want to stay tuned for the
• 45:27
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• 45:30
  things Roxham with the CEO and the Co founder Borja today.
• 45:34
  But first let's get into this news because this is absolutely
• 45:38
  huge news from the New York Times, the so-called paper of
• 45:42
  record Besant steps up criticism of fed as auditions for chair
• 45:48
  intensify. I'm just going to read the first
• 45:50
  line. I'm going to do a summary of the
• 45:52
  article and the TLDR with a facts that you guys need to
• 45:56
  know. It is an unwritten rule that
• 45:58
  Treasury secretaries avoid interfering with the workings of
• 46:02
  the Federal Reserve. Yeah, but that's the rule.
• 46:05
  But what happens if the Fed starts acting politically,
• 46:07
  right? Like, you know, if the Fed
• 46:09
  starts acting politically, do you expect just to kind of roll
• 46:12
  over and just not react to it? The Fed is an independent
• 46:15
  institution, one of the one of the most policy maker, one that
• 46:20
  most policy makers believe benefits the economy by being
• 46:24
  shielded from the winds of politics.
• 46:27
  President Trump has made it clear that he does not subscribe
• 46:31
  to that view. I mean, how could he Operation
• 46:34
  Choke .2 point O They acted extremely politically, lowering
• 46:38
  rates to try to get the previous candidates elected.
• 46:43
  I mean, by definition, that is not neutral, that you're not
• 46:47
  acting in a neutral fashion. So expecting Trump not to react
• 46:51
  to this, I think is incredibly naive.
• 46:54
  But just to do again, a quick recap of this article.
• 46:57
  What's happening is it's Trump versus the Fed.
• 47:01
  And again, I recorded an amazing episode with Caitlin Long and
• 47:04
  she does a deep dive about the Fed, the feds war against
• 47:08
  Bitcoin that's going to be dropping on Saturday.
• 47:10
  You guys are going to absolutely love that.
• 47:12
  But essentially the battle for easy money is on.
• 47:15
  President Trump is openly challenging the long standing
• 47:18
  norm that the Fed should be independent.
• 47:21
  He wants lower interest rates and he's making it clear if
• 47:25
  Jerome Powell won't do it, he'll find someone who will.
• 47:28
  And that someone might be Treasury Secretary Scott
• 47:32
  Bessent, who's now actively criticizing Fed policy and
• 47:36
  aligning with Trump's call for rate cuts.
• 47:39
  You know how crazy that would be?
• 47:41
  We would have a pro, pro I, I can't even put these two
• 47:45
  sentences together because of how insane it is, but we would
• 47:48
  have a pro Fed chairman, a pro Bitcoin Fed chairman.
• 47:53
  Holy cow. That is literally the definition
• 47:56
  of winning. Besson, once a Soros hedge fund
• 48:00
  guy turned Trump ally, has been blasting the Fled's slow pace on
• 48:04
  rate cuts and mocking their inflation fears over tariffs.
• 48:08
  He even said, quote, tariff derangement syndrome happens
• 48:12
  even at the Fed. He's hinting he'd push for
• 48:15
  cheaper money if given the top Fed job.
• 48:19
  Besson is auditioning to replace Powell when his term ends in
• 48:22
  May. Trump wants a loyalist who will
• 48:25
  cut rates fast to help with debt servicing and juice the economy
• 48:29
  to Trump appointees on the Fed board.
• 48:32
  Waller and Bowman are already calling for cuts soon.
• 48:35
  Besson's potential appointment could politicize the Fed
• 48:39
  further, risking internal conflict at the Fed.
• 48:42
  Trump's gripe, the Fed is costing the US trillions in
• 48:46
  interest and his hand picked treasury guy agrees and could
• 48:50
  even hold both treasury and Fed chair rolls simultaneously.
• 48:55
  A 1930s style power move. I mean that would be absolutely
• 49:00
  nuts, but what's the translation for bitcoiners?
• 49:03
  What's the TLDR? The mask is slipping.
• 49:06
  The illusion of central bank independence is ending.
• 49:10
  Trump wants rate cuts and Besant might deliver more debt, more
• 49:15
  printing, more instability. You know what happens?
• 49:18
  Number go up and Bitcoin fixes this.
• 49:21
  Anyways, pass it on to Bora. Bora, what are your thoughts on
• 49:24
  this? Because you know what, in our
• 49:26
  countries, we know that the central banks are not
• 49:29
  independent whatsoever. They've been acting politically
• 49:33
  for decades. Bora, what are your thoughts?
• 49:37
  It's completely naive and foolish to think that a central
• 49:41
  bank or or the Fed can be politically independent.
• 49:45
  And anybody who thinks that is way too theoretical, theoretical
• 49:50
  that we can talk about that in universities and so on.
• 49:52
  Everybody knows in our countries that it's definitely not,
• 49:57
  especially if it's presidents who who assign the chairs and so
• 50:02
  on. Same thing with justice, like
• 50:04
  another thing that it's supposed to be independent.
• 50:06
  It's clearly not independent and it's a political.
• 50:09
  And to be completely honest, at the end of the day, there's
• 50:14
  nothing the Fed can do anyways. Like guys, US debts is already
• 50:19
  3637 trillion. Like what are we going to do
• 50:22
  about that? The debt is growing at 2 to $3
• 50:26
  trillion a year. There's nothing we can do.
• 50:30
  This is game over and this is what I talk, what I want to say
• 50:34
  when we were talking about Argentina and Venezuela.
• 50:36
  There is only one destination for this journey, which is
• 50:39
  failure. There is no way to recover from
• 50:42
  this debt. We can extend the agony.
• 50:45
  We can try to remain on water, but this is impossible guys.
• 50:53
  We have in 10 years, this is the crazy part.
• 50:56
  We are gaining 2 to $3 trillion in debt every single year.
• 51:00
  This means that in the next 20 years we have an additional 20
• 51:03
  to $30 trillion in debt, which means that our new debt, I mean
• 51:07
  for the US is going to be roughly around 60 to to $70
• 51:11
  trillion. How are we going to pay that
• 51:14
  off? Like, how is that even possible?
• 51:16
  Like, I don't think, I mean, I I even think that these
• 51:20
  discussions are very short term. And, you know, it doesn't matter
• 51:25
  if if Donald Trump now gets Scott Besant and they lower the
• 51:30
  interest rates, yeah, we may get an extension of the bull run.
• 51:33
  And yeah, we we can get more risk on assets and and
• 51:37
  everything, but we don't have to lose sight.
• 51:40
  And what we need to, to, to have in insight is that a, we have an
• 51:47
  unrecoverable debt that worth $37 trillion in debt that this
• 51:52
  is going to 6070 and Bitcoin is the way out of this.
• 51:56
  I mean, Bitcoin is a scarce asset, neutral asset and, and
• 52:01
  it's, you know, is the way out of this.
• 52:05
  And that's exactly why we're building rocks and, you know,
• 52:07
  because having the Bitcoin lens, understanding things in Bitcoin
• 52:12
  and, and, and, and seeing how things perform in Bitcoin is the
• 52:16
  way to go in Argentina. We had a similar process 30
• 52:19
  years ago in Venezuela too, when everybody was measuring in, in
• 52:24
  Argentina, naturally, everybody was measuring wealth in pesos,
• 52:27
  right? Because in Argentina, people
• 52:29
  make money, make salaries in pesos, we make pesos, we earn
• 52:32
  pesos. But then as a peso would
• 52:35
  depreciate constantly, some people started actually using a
• 52:39
  dollar lens and, and many people started saying, Hey, you know
• 52:42
  what? I'm, I'm, I'm going to stop
• 52:44
  measuring and understanding numbers, the economy and so on
• 52:48
  in pesos. I'm going to understand it in
• 52:51
  dollars. And I just think that this is a,
• 52:56
  the process coming up ahead. The world is going to start is,
• 53:00
  is going to stop understanding and measuring wealth in dollars
• 53:05
  and he's going to start understanding and measuring
• 53:08
  wealth in Bitcoin because it makes sense because in Bitcoin
• 53:13
  we don't have this independence problem or not.
• 53:16
  If we are, if we have a new fed president or or whatever in
• 53:21
  Bitcoin, we know what the system works like.
• 53:24
  We know what is going to happen. There is no need for politics or
• 53:27
  not or or non politics, which is no Bitcoin is we don't need to
• 53:32
  trust anybody. And and and you know, again at
• 53:37
  the end, I think that all of these of Scott descent and and
• 53:41
  Powell and so on is a very short term thing.
• 53:45
  Yeah, if descent comes lower interest rates, risk on bull
• 53:49
  market, whatever. But we don't need to forget the
• 53:52
  important thing here, which is in the end, it doesn't matter
• 53:56
  guys. At the end, this is politics.
• 53:58
  And in Bitcoin we don't have politics.
• 54:00
  So I believe all all all I care about is to make sure that we
• 54:06
  are understanding assets, the economy and things in, in the
• 54:10
  true, the only true currency at this point.
• 54:13
  I think that in the year 2025, in this century, the only true
• 54:17
  real currency that we can actually trust is Bitcoin for
• 54:21
  the sole fact that we don't need to trust anybody.
• 54:23
  And, and this is a problem with we have in Argentina, you have
• 54:26
  in Venezuela and that now we have in the US that we have to
• 54:29
  trust that the new Fed chair is going to do things in a way that
• 54:34
  suits us. And you know, at the end we are
• 54:38
  always depending on humans and human being is not the most
• 54:44
  reliable thing out there. Dude, absolute mic drop from
• 54:53
  Bora dropping, dropping the sauce.
• 54:56
  I mean 100% like, listen, it's going to be political.
• 55:01
  We don't have to have political money anymore.
• 55:03
  You're 100% right, Bora. And I think we've see, we see
• 55:07
  this, we saw this earlier, right?
• 55:08
  Because we don't trust. It's like, you know, the
• 55:11
  believer or the pesos. It's like, you know, but you
• 55:12
  know, at that point you're like, Nah, man, like go on.
• 55:16
  You'll find out with that, with the holy end.
• 55:18
  But like, you know, at that point, you don't, you don't
• 55:20
  listen to them. You don't listen to them.
• 55:22
  But the West hasn't really experienced that.
• 55:25
  They haven't lost the faith. But again, the mask is slipping.
• 55:29
  Could you imagine if the Fed chairman was the same?
• 55:33
  It was the Treasury Secretary at the same time like it, it would
• 55:36
  destroy the illusion, the illusions already destroyed at
• 55:39
  this point, in my opinion. I think the American people are
• 55:42
  waking up to that. But again, I think the central
• 55:45
  bank in the US is going through the same process, process that
• 55:48
  every other central bank has gone through in every other
• 55:51
  country, right? So I, I agree with you, man,
• 55:54
  this is political money. It's time to end political
• 55:56
  money. It's time for Bitcoin.
• 55:58
  Sophie, some thoughts before we get to the culture and talk to
• 56:01
  Borja about Roxham. So.
• 56:04
  I was actually going to say something very similar to what
• 56:07
  Borja was saying. I was questioning myself.
• 56:10
  Oh, they're, they're accusing Jerome Powell of cutting the
• 56:15
  interest rates when Kamala was running, but cut it.
• 56:20
  We're on YouTube. We love YouTube.
• 56:22
  Yeah, we love. Kamala.
• 56:24
  So they were accusing them of him of doing that.
• 56:29
  Wouldn't Scott Besant just like kind of do the same thing for
• 56:33
  Trump? No.
• 56:35
  That's the whole. That's the whole point, that
• 56:36
  Borjo. Was making is that regardless of
• 56:39
  the party like they're acting politically so like OK, so let's
• 56:43
  say the Fed the Fed was acting politically at the benefit for
• 56:46
  the benefits of of of the Dems right now would just be the Fed
• 56:49
  would be acting politically for the benefits of the Republicans,
• 56:53
  but it's still political no and the.
• 56:55
  The the conclusion, the conclusion, the end of the story
• 56:59
  is always the same. It's the devaluation of the
• 57:02
  dollar and Bitcoin goes up. So it's like, whatever happens,
• 57:06
  I think this is good for Bitcoin, right?
• 57:09
  I mean the like it's, it's always going to be political
• 57:12
  money because it's in the hands of a centralized institution.
• 57:16
  So what happens when, as you always say, Nico, you separate
• 57:20
  the money and state what happens?
• 57:23
  That's that's what I want to know.
• 57:24
  That's the the new story arc that I'm dying to explore and
• 57:29
  participate in. I mean that that's.
• 57:31
  The and dying metaphorically, of course, and and again, that is
• 57:34
  the you know that that is, I think what we're all working
• 57:37
  for. That's I was reading a post by
• 57:39
  Max Keiser in the beginning. I think that's the solution,
• 57:42
  right, a political money right and Bitcoin fixes this right.
• 57:47
  Anyways, I do want to give a shout out to the live stream.
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• 58:03
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• 58:06
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• 58:09
  It's awesome. And we got the cofounder and CEO
• 58:12
  Borja joining us today. So we're going to talk about all
• 58:15
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• 1:00:03
  Back before we talk about Roxum Sophie, you want to do the
• 1:00:08
  honors? Where are we at Bitcoin price?
• 1:00:11
  We are at 113,489 a new all time high ladies and gentlemen,
• 1:00:18
  congratulations for huddling this long price.
• 1:00:21
  Discovery mode in the moment, live on simply Bitcoin.
• 1:00:25
  Absolutely love it. I did release a poll at the
• 1:00:28
  beginning of the show. 688 of you guys voted in it.
• 1:00:33
  I said well, Bitcoin hit 220K by the year's end.
• 1:00:38
  Like Kaiser predicts. 72% of you guys voted yes.
• 1:00:42
  I'm going to end that poll anyways.
• 1:00:44
  Let's pivot the conversation. We have again Bora on the show
• 1:00:49
  joining us today, Co and Co founder of roxum.com.
• 1:00:53
  Bora, thank you so much for joining us.
• 1:00:56
  What is Roxum? Why should people be paying
• 1:00:59
  attention to this the Bitcoin capital markets?
• 1:01:07
  Thank you Nicole. So we are massively bitcoiner
• 1:01:14
  thesis run or based company. Basically I'll tell the the very
• 1:01:19
  short stories and it's a story is the first large stock market
• 1:01:24
  of the world was the Amsterdam exchange.
• 1:01:27
  Then we on the guilder, on the Dutch guilder, then we had the
• 1:01:30
  London Stock Exchange on the British pound.
• 1:01:33
  And then after the Bretton Woods agreement, the dollar became the
• 1:01:36
  power currency of the world and that Wall Street became the
• 1:01:41
  financial hub, the strongest capital markets of the world.
• 1:01:44
  So basically we see a historical process where the strongest
• 1:01:48
  capital markets, the strongest exchanges have grown within the
• 1:01:52
  strongest currencies. We also believe that it's
• 1:01:56
  inevitable for Wall Street to fall second to somebody else.
• 1:02:00
  And so in the same way that Amsterdam fell second to London
• 1:02:04
  because the gilder fell second to the pound and then the pound
• 1:02:07
  for the second to the to the dollar and and the London Stock
• 1:02:10
  Exchange for the second to Wall Street, we understand and
• 1:02:12
  believe that Wall Street will fall second to some other
• 1:02:17
  capital market. So when we were working on this
• 1:02:20
  thesis and, and looking to understand well what that next
• 1:02:24
  capital market that is going to outgrow Wall Street is going to
• 1:02:28
  be, then the only thing we need to understand is who do we think
• 1:02:32
  can be the next strongest currency of the world?
• 1:02:35
  And naturally, I mean, we do all believe that the strongest
• 1:02:40
  contender to become the the strongest currency of the world
• 1:02:45
  or one of the strongest currencies of the world is
• 1:02:47
  Bitcoin. Ergo, what we believe are the
• 1:02:51
  capital markets that will outgrow Wall Street is going to
• 1:02:55
  be the Bitcoin markets and that this is exactly what we're
• 1:02:58
  building as a product. What we're building, Nikko, is
• 1:03:02
  an exchange where you can trade stocks, bonds, commodities,
• 1:03:06
  ETFs, cryptocurrencies, FX, but everything against Bitcoin.
• 1:03:10
  So everything is quoted on Bitcoin.
• 1:03:12
  All the charts are on Bitcoin. Actually, if you go there just
• 1:03:15
  to market and supercharge, you'll be able to or to see
• 1:03:20
  plenty of stocks all measured as in as in Bitcoin.
• 1:03:24
  Let's see yeah, right there you have Apple for example, well
• 1:03:27
  that's that's Apple on Bitcoin, right and look at that that's
• 1:03:31
  just going down badly. The good thing is that there's
• 1:03:35
  also stocks and and things that do well in Bitcoin.
• 1:03:38
  For example, MicroStrategy has done a 200% in the last year and
• 1:03:42
  a half NVIDIA is a a great performer.
• 1:03:46
  Actually, we're launching if you go to trade and go to spot,
• 1:03:50
  you'll be able to see some of our assets and Nicole and the
• 1:03:56
  the fun thing is we're launching in a few weeks.
• 1:04:00
  There you go. That's NVIDIA.
• 1:04:01
  We're launching in a few weeks and we're starting off with S&P
• 1:04:04
  500 Bitcoin, NASDAQ Bitcoin gold Bitcoin and oil Bitcoin.
• 1:04:12
  And essentially we'll be able to long or short ES and P on
• 1:04:16
  Bitcoin, for example, which is which is completely insane.
• 1:04:19
  And after this, we're also going to be launching spot markets and
• 1:04:25
  we'll be we'll be allowing everybody from the entire world
• 1:04:29
  to also trade Bitcoin treasury companies.
• 1:04:32
  So after the first four instruments that we're
• 1:04:34
  launching, we're building what we call like the Bitcoin
• 1:04:39
  Treasury Stock Exchange, say. But for us, the beauty of this
• 1:04:44
  is the other day we were watching a video of Jack
• 1:04:46
  Muller's talking about the Great Depression, how everything
• 1:04:49
  against Bitcoin is going down, which we we agree except for
• 1:04:53
  the, for the Bitcoin new Bitcoin assets.
• 1:04:56
  And we were just seeing Jack's video and he was talking about
• 1:05:00
  the SMB just going down badly against Bitcoin, which is
• 1:05:05
  completely true. And, and we were just laughing
• 1:05:09
  because we were like, it's so funny that Jack is, is, is
• 1:05:12
  looking at this S&P downfall against Bitcoin and that what we
• 1:05:17
  are doing is enabling people to actually do the trade to
• 1:05:20
  actually short the S&P against Bitcoin, right.
• 1:05:24
  So the way we see it is we are creating these hedge mechanisms
• 1:05:29
  for the Michael Berrys of the Bitcoin world.
• 1:05:32
  So in, in, in the Big short, if you saw the movie or you know
• 1:05:36
  what happened in 2005 when Michael Berry started, he went
• 1:05:40
  to Goldman Sachs and he said, hey, guys, I see that the
• 1:05:44
  housing market is going down in dollar terms.
• 1:05:48
  And I want to short that. And what we see, for example,
• 1:05:52
  in, in, in the Bitcoin treasures, we see that we can
• 1:05:55
  get make Bitcoin gains. But in the rest of the markets,
• 1:05:59
  we're seeing that me in my bike, Michael Berry shoes, I am seeing
• 1:06:04
  that the S&P and the NASDAQ, they are going down against
• 1:06:07
  Bitcoin, man, like this thing is, is going down badly.
• 1:06:12
  And I would love to short that. I would, I would love to to
• 1:06:16
  short the S&P against Bitcoin and this is essentially what
• 1:06:20
  we're doing. You know, just everything
• 1:06:23
  against Bitcoin is going to 0. Actually we're just with the
• 1:06:25
  markets team and another product we're designing is U.S. housing
• 1:06:29
  market against Bitcoin. So everybody's talking about how
• 1:06:35
  the housing market is going down against Bitcoin and how you're,
• 1:06:40
  we're just housing is much cheaper every single year and it
• 1:06:46
  costs less Bitcoin and so on. Well, I love to short the
• 1:06:51
  housing market against Bitcoin as well.
• 1:06:55
  So what we're building in Roxon is the capital markets that
• 1:06:59
  Bitcoin deserves. And it's just inevitable.
• 1:07:02
  Like another way to think about what we're doing, which is what
• 1:07:06
  we're doing goes beyond Roxon. What we're doing is for Bitcoin.
• 1:07:09
  This is about Bitcoin having and creating something that is
• 1:07:13
  inevitable, which is its own capital markets.
• 1:07:16
  An example of this is in Argentina, we have our own
• 1:07:20
  capital markets and they are tiny.
• 1:07:23
  I mean they are like roughly $100 billion, which means we,
• 1:07:28
  the the Argentine peso has its own capital markets and Bitcoin
• 1:07:31
  still doesn't. That doesn't make sense.
• 1:07:34
  It doesn't make sense that such a small and sheet coin currency,
• 1:07:38
  to be honest, like the Argentine peso.
• 1:07:40
  It doesn't make sense that it has $100 billion capital markets
• 1:07:47
  and that Bitcoin has no capital markets.
• 1:07:50
  It doesn't make sense also neither that everything is
• 1:07:54
  separated and isolated and that you cannot mix and combine
• 1:08:02
  traditional markets with Bitcoin, neither, you know, and
• 1:08:05
  we just see that it's inevitable.
• 1:08:07
  The Gilder developed its own Amstam exchange.
• 1:08:10
  The the pound had its own London Stock Exchange.
• 1:08:13
  The dollar has Wall Street. Well, Bitcoin needs its own Wall
• 1:08:16
  Street, right? And, and I was seeing a comment
• 1:08:19
  right now. Yeah, most of it is free money.
• 1:08:22
  Free money, let's say by shorting it because the market
• 1:08:24
  in general terms is going down. But there's also very good
• 1:08:29
  things that are going up in Bitcoin terms, like for example,
• 1:08:35
  again, MicroStrategy, NVIDIA, and well, now the Bitcoin
• 1:08:41
  treasuries that are just doing great.
• 1:08:43
  So this is the future we're seeing.
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  We're seeing a future where Bitcoin is a real unit of
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  account and Bitcoin is a currency powering the capital
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  markets of the future. Absolutely.
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  And I think that is incredibly awesome because this is what
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  people, as we were talking about this earlier on in the show,
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  like if you start denominating your wealth in Bitcoin as you
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  should, then your net worth, you're not defining your net
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  worth by dollar terms. You're defining your net worth
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  by Bitcoin terms. And against once you're trading
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  stuff against Bitcoin, it changes the conversation.
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  This is why altcoins have such a hard time, by the way.
• 1:09:22
  So if you look at every single altcoin, right since inception,
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  they haven't made all time highs in Bitcoin terms, right And if
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  essentially the the point that Borja is trying to make is that
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  a lot of these stocks that they are making all time highs in
• 1:09:39
  dollar terms, but they're not making all time highs in Bitcoin
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  terms, right. And that's that's the signal
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  right there. What's the point of buying
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  Apple? What's the point of buying
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  Google if if you buy Google or Apple stock, you're going to end
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  up with less Bitcoin, right? But Bora pointed out there are
• 1:09:58
  some companies that outperforming Bitcoin, but it
• 1:10:01
  also forces you to become a much more disciplined investor
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  because now you're looking at these companies and you're
• 1:10:07
  asking the question, okay, will this outperform Bitcoin?
• 1:10:12
  You know, like Bitcoin, you know, if you look at Michael
• 1:10:14
  Saylor, he's predicting a 50% CAGAR for this year.
• 1:10:17
  And then it, it's going to start to taper down to like 20%.
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  Is the company you're investing in outperforming, you know,
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  outperforming Bitcoin, right? And it's going to create a lot
• 1:10:29
  more disciplined investors. Shout out to the $50 super chat,
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  by the way. I can't read that dude, but I
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  appreciate the $50 Mexico huddle.
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  But yeah man, it completely changes the game 100%.
• 1:10:41
  Borja's absolutely right. And this is needed.
• 1:10:45
  This is needed because, and this is international too, you'll be
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  able to participate, get exposure to a lot of these
• 1:10:53
  stocks. But again, you're buying them
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  with the better money, right? You're not buying them with the
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  bad money. So it, Apple looks a whole lot
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  different, right? When you compare it to Bitcoin,
• 1:11:07
  when it's you're buying Apple stock with Bitcoin, that hurts.
• 1:11:11
  When you're buying Apple stock with dollars, of course Apple's
• 1:11:15
  going to go up in value, right? So it completely changes the
• 1:11:18
  game. And yeah, this is really, really
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  awesome what you guys are building Bitcoin capital
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  markets. Go, guys, go check out roxum.com
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  today. Again, roxum.com.
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  I'm pulling it up on screen and you guys could sign up.
• 1:11:33
  Borja, when do you guys plan to go live?
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  Just one thing to add, Nicole, before telling you that is is
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  the following. As you just said, you can invest
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  100 bucks if you're looking at the Apple chart.
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  Apple chart in dollars, you're happy, The thing is up and to
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  the right. Hey, this is awesome.
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  I'm making money, but if you actually invest your Bitcoin,
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  you're going down. So the beauty of putting a
• 1:12:04
  Bitcoin lens to everything, to the housing market, to stocks,
• 1:12:09
  to anything that we invest in is that actually we get to see the
• 1:12:12
  real returns. You know me, I, I think in
• 1:12:17
  Bitcoin terms, just because it just makes us better, better
• 1:12:21
  investors. When when you look at things in
• 1:12:23
  Bitcoin and, and again, it, it just makes you, as you said,
• 1:12:27
  more discipline, just it makes you smarter because it's very
• 1:12:31
  hard to outperform Bitcoin. Practically everything is going
• 1:12:35
  down in the long term against Bitcoin.
• 1:12:37
  And the only things that do not go down against Bitcoin are the
• 1:12:40
  things that put Bitcoin at its center micro strategies away or
• 1:12:45
  things that are somehow are related like for example,
• 1:12:48
  NVIDIA, Well, they also have a huge industry that is related to
• 1:12:52
  Bitcoin with the maybe in different things now with the
• 1:12:58
  the chips and and so on, right. So I would say that putting a
• 1:13:05
  Bitcoin lens like do not be the Argentines that continued to
• 1:13:09
  understand the world in Argentine pesos, the Argentines
• 1:13:13
  that had performed the best financially were the Argentines
• 1:13:17
  or like the Venezuelans that actually started looking at
• 1:13:20
  things in dollars, not in bolivars anymore.
• 1:13:22
  So in the world today we believe and maybe we're wrong.
• 1:13:26
  I don't think so. We believe that the best way to
• 1:13:29
  understand the economy, to understand assets, to understand
• 1:13:33
  stocks, to understand absolutely everything is Bitcoin because
• 1:13:37
  most of it is going down and you don't want less bitcoins, you
• 1:13:40
  want more Bitcoins. So you better choose or pick a
• 1:13:44
  stock or pick an asset that is doing well in Bitcoin, not that
• 1:13:47
  it's going that is not doing well.
• 1:13:50
  Regarding our our launch now we're looking to launch in the
• 1:13:54
  next four to six weeks. And the thing I'm the most
• 1:13:57
  excited about honestly is that me personally, I'm going to be,
• 1:14:02
  and this is not financial advice, this is not anything,
• 1:14:04
  but we're going to be launching S&P 500 against Bitcoin, the
• 1:14:08
  NASDAQ against Bitcoin, gold against Bitcoin and oil against
• 1:14:12
  Bitcoin. Me personally, I will be doing,
• 1:14:17
  I will be opening short positions against the S&P
• 1:14:21
  because I'm 100% convinced that the S&P is going down against
• 1:14:25
  Bitcoin. I don't see any other way for
• 1:14:28
  the S&P that is not going down against Bitcoin.
• 1:14:32
  And the next instrument that we want to create is the housing
• 1:14:36
  market against Bitcoin, which is again putting myself in the
• 1:14:40
  Michael Berry shoes for me, man, it's almost like free money.
• 1:14:45
  Of course that there's going to be times, moments in time where
• 1:14:49
  the S&P is going to perform well in rocks and going in Bitcoin
• 1:14:53
  and the housing market too. But long term, this is going
• 1:14:57
  down, this is going down and I'm going to profit bitcoins on this
• 1:15:01
  thing going down. And you know, this is for
• 1:15:05
  derivatives though. Then again, we'll be launching
• 1:15:09
  by the end of the quarter the Bitcoin Treasuries Stock
• 1:15:13
  Exchange, say, where you'll be able to trade and invest in all
• 1:15:17
  the different Bitcoin treasury companies all together.
• 1:15:22
  We're solving a great accessibility problem there.
• 1:15:27
  And my last thought for that is I wonder every day in my house
• 1:15:33
  who's going to be Bitcoin's Warren Buffett, Like who's going
• 1:15:37
  to be this guy that is going to deploy Bitcoin in a way where
• 1:15:41
  he's getting a 20% interest rate like yield year over year on
• 1:15:47
  Bitcoin, right? Because to achieve that, you'll
• 1:15:50
  need to deploy your Bitcoin very smartly and buy things that are
• 1:15:54
  performing well in Bitcoin or shorting our things like I will
• 1:15:58
  be shorting ESMP against Bitcoin.
• 1:16:01
  You know, so I, I love to think and I love to wonder them who's
• 1:16:06
  going to be the who's going to be bitcoins?
• 1:16:08
  Warren Buffett, like this guy that invests in MicroStrategy
• 1:16:12
  one year ago when like or in 2024 when in from January 24 to
• 1:16:17
  today, MicroStrategy has done a 200% in Bitcoin.
• 1:16:21
  This means just to put it crystal clear, had you invested
• 1:16:26
  100 bitcoins say in 2024, which is a lot, but just to put bigger
• 1:16:32
  numbers, you'd now have 300 bitcoins, your portfolio would
• 1:16:36
  be worth 300 bitcoins. Even a crazier a trade is that
• 1:16:43
  microstrata, sorry NVIDIA in 2020, in the last five years it
• 1:16:49
  has done something like 500 six, 100% in Bitcoin, which means,
• 1:16:55
  which means the following in for the last five years as a
• 1:16:59
  Bitcoiner. I am saying this as a bitcoiner.
• 1:17:02
  I would have made more bitcoins if I had bought everything in
• 1:17:07
  NVIDIA, if I had put all my bitcoins in NVIDIA rather than
• 1:17:11
  actually holding Bitcoin. So what I mean with this is that
• 1:17:14
  again the the lens is important because not necessarily owning
• 1:17:20
  Bitcoin is the best way to accumulate Bitcoin, right?
• 1:17:24
  Sometimes there's a better a better investment like and
• 1:17:28
  that's why we call it Bitcoin capital markets because our base
• 1:17:32
  currency is Bitcoin. We want to make Bitcoin as a bit
• 1:17:35
  as bitcoiners. This is a product for bitcoiners
• 1:17:38
  by Bitcoiners. I want more Bitcoin.
• 1:17:41
  I have to invest in things that perform well in Bitcoin.
• 1:17:44
  So I need to find those stocks that will yield better than just
• 1:17:50
  holding the BTC or again, sorry just to finish, for me shorting
• 1:17:57
  SMP is my personal favorite. For the upcoming.
• 1:18:03
  Absolutely. We want a world, you know, where
• 1:18:05
  we know we want hyper bitcoinization, we want Bitcoin
• 1:18:08
  capital markets, and of course, we have amazing entrepreneurs
• 1:18:12
  that are building those tools for bitcoiners, you know, to
• 1:18:15
  take those risks to say, Hey, you know what, you know, this, I
• 1:18:18
  think this company is going to outperform Bitcoin, right?
• 1:18:22
  And then it also, you know, it, it, it puts truth on a lot of
• 1:18:26
  these companies too, because if Apple is not outperforming
• 1:18:30
  Bitcoin, then what, what are you doing holding Apple right?
• 1:18:33
  And then it puts a lot of pressure on Apple and Apple is
• 1:18:35
  probably going to look at what micro strategies doing and then
• 1:18:38
  say, Hey, listen, we have a we have billions of dollars in
• 1:18:40
  cash. We should, you know, buy some of
• 1:18:43
  that, put some of this in Bitcoin.
• 1:18:44
  Because if not, you know, a lot of investors are going to wise
• 1:18:47
  up and say, you know, what's the point of buying this stock?
• 1:18:50
  If I could just buy Bitcoin, It's going to outperform, right?
• 1:18:53
  So it's going to fundamentally radically change the world.
• 1:18:56
  I do want to thank Borja for joining us on the show today.
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  Again, Co founder and CEO of Roxum.
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