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BPS 405: How to Shoot 360 Video & Actually Make Money with Josh Gibson · Bulletproof Screenwriting™ Podcast

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  Speaker 2: A lot of people have been talking about it. A
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  Speaker 2: lot of people say it's gonna take over a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people say it's the future of what everybody is
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  Speaker 2: going to be watching, and it's it's gonna take over
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  Speaker 2: cinema and takeover movies as we know it. I disagree, holdheartedly.
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  Speaker 2: I think it is another tool first storytelling in its
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  Speaker 2: own way, same way as video games are the same
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  Speaker 2: way video games are not taking over movies. Movies or movies.
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  Speaker 2: They will always be movies in one way, shape or form.
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  Speaker 2: Three sixty video can tell certain types of stories, but
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  Speaker 2: not the kind of stories I don't see Martin Scorsese
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  Speaker 2: or David Fincher using three sixty video to tell a story.
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  Speaker 2: It's an experience and it's a ride in many ways,
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  Speaker 2: and you can try to tell a good story and
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  Speaker 2: narrative without question. But it's not what we consider cinema
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  Speaker 2: where a director is editing and telling you where to
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  Speaker 2: look in the scene, as opposed to getting all the
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  Speaker 2: information at once and you got to go find the information.
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  Speaker 2: It's a different kind of storytelling. But I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: bring someone on the show who's an expert in the field,
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  Speaker 2: someone who really understands three sixty, the technology, the ever
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  Speaker 2: changing technology, how to actually make a living doing it,
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  Speaker 2: and so on. So I'm at it on the show.
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  Speaker 2: Josh Gibson, who is a three three sixty video specialist.
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  Speaker 2: He's a founder of three sixty Video Academy dot com
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  Speaker 2: and is pretty much, you know, kind of knows what
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  Speaker 2: he's talking about when it comes to three sixty video.
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  Speaker 2: So I wanted to bring him on the show so
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  Speaker 2: he can kind of explain it to us laymans on
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  Speaker 2: how you could do it, what the cost is to
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  Speaker 2: get into it, and if you can even make money
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  Speaker 2: as doing it as a filmmaker. So I won't waste
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  Speaker 2: any more time. Let's get right into it and enjoy
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  Speaker 2: my conversation with Josh Gibson from three sixty Video Academy.
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  Speaker 2: I like to welcome to the show, Josh Gibson. Man,
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  Speaker 2: thanks for coming on the show.
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  Speaker 3: Man. Hey, thanks so much for having me. Alex, it's
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  Speaker 3: good to be here.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted you on the show because I am just dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: I just know enough to be dangerous in the three
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  Speaker 2: sixty world. So I wanted to get a professional to
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  Speaker 2: come on, and I'm gonna I'm just gonna beat you
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  Speaker 2: up with a lot of questions. If that's okay, Now.
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  Speaker 3: That's totally great. Shoot, I'm glad. I'm excited for it.
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  Speaker 2: All right, cool man. So let's first and foremost, what
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  Speaker 2: the hell is three sixty video?
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  Speaker 3: For people who don't know that's it? You know, that's
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  Speaker 3: a good us and it's kind of something that's been
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  Speaker 3: around for a while. I mean you look at like
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  Speaker 3: Google street View, you look at you know, virtual tours
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  Speaker 3: on maybe some real estate sites. Like it's sort of
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  Speaker 3: this technology of you know, the three inder sixty degree
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  Speaker 3: panoram has been around for a while, but it's sort
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  Speaker 3: of been stuck in this this still world until you know,
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  Speaker 3: a few years back when people started messing around with
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  Speaker 3: go pros and you know, trying to get smaller cameras
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  Speaker 3: and putting them all together so that they're shooting in
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  Speaker 3: all directions and trying to capture three sixty degree video.
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  Speaker 3: So that's kind of where you know, the explosion happened.
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  Speaker 3: And when people started realizing, hey, you know, go Pro's
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  Speaker 3: not too expensive, you know in this, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: companies like Color and you know other companies including go pro,
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  Speaker 3: started seeing a really future in this, and yeah, they
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  Speaker 3: started building software for it, and you know, and the
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  Speaker 3: rest is history. So it's basically putting a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: cameras together, shooting in every single direction and syncing all
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  Speaker 3: those cameras up and then stitching them together later on
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  Speaker 3: a computer. So it's kind of a process, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: pretty simple, simple. You know, you're wrapping a sphere around
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  Speaker 3: a video and you know that's how it works.
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  Speaker 2: Now there there's i mean from the points of go
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  Speaker 2: pro rigs. Now they're actually coming out with cameras that
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  Speaker 2: are built into a sphere. I've saw some of them
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  Speaker 2: in Senegear last year, and companies are coming out with
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  Speaker 2: those by themselves, with their own proprietary software and things
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  Speaker 2: like that. Is that correct?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's that's actually really yeah, exactly right. So
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  Speaker 3: there's a few cameras that technically, I think there's one
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  Speaker 3: that shoots two hundred and seventy degrees and it's just
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  Speaker 3: one lens with one sensor, but as a matter of
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  Speaker 3: getting the full three and our sixty degrees, you actually
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  Speaker 3: still technically need two cameras at least. And there's some
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  Speaker 3: like Kodak makes a couple of the SBK you know,
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  Speaker 3: where where you put two cameras back to back basically
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  Speaker 3: with super you know, fish eye wide angle lenses on
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  Speaker 3: each one of those, so you basically have two you know,
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  Speaker 3: half domes that you're getting and then you're just wrapping
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  Speaker 3: them together or that you're you know, joining them together
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  Speaker 3: and aligning them. But you know, yeah, but.
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  Speaker 2: When you're doing with three sixty though, I mean the
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  Speaker 2: kind of three sixty that I've seen that looks good
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  Speaker 2: is somewhat distorted, but not completely distorted like a fish
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  Speaker 2: eye would be. So that's good. I mean, that's what
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  Speaker 2: we're kind of going for, right, It's not like this
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  Speaker 2: kind of distorted fish eye. Because if that's the point,
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  Speaker 2: then we're back in Beastie Boys. Videos back in the day.
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  Speaker 3: Right, right, Yeah, So, I mean, yeah, that's kind of
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  Speaker 3: my opinion too. I think there's all I mean, the
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  Speaker 3: Samsung Gear is obviously another example of you know, the
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  Speaker 3: two camera system and those are great and they work
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  Speaker 3: pretty well. But the issue you run into with those
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  Speaker 3: two lens systems is obviously, at the very edge of
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  Speaker 3: any fish eye lens, there's gonna be distortion. Pixels are
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  Speaker 3: going to get stretched. So if you're going to be
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  Speaker 3: trying to stretch those back out to make them undistorted
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  Speaker 3: in a three sixty degree you know viewing space, you
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  Speaker 3: know it's gonna be a little bit blurry or you're
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  Speaker 3: gonna see some you know, aliasing or whatever on those edges.
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  Speaker 3: So that's why people started moving into the you know,
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  Speaker 3: multi camera rigs where you have you know, ten GoPros,
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  Speaker 3: twenty GoPros or you know, any other small camera like
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  Speaker 3: the black Magic you know camera that you and putting
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  Speaker 3: on there. So people have been experimenting with all sorts
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  Speaker 3: of different setups. But obviously the other downside is when
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  Speaker 3: you add more cameras, you're gonna run into more stitching
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  Speaker 3: complications with all the weird lines and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get into stitching later. Yes, I have questions about stitching.
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  Speaker 3: That one's fun.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone's asking like, what the hell is stitching. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: don't worry, we'll get We'll get to it soon enough,
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  Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen. So the real basic question is what's
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  Speaker 2: the difference between three sixty n VR virtual reality because
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  Speaker 2: they're kind of similar.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they are really similar, and they're used interchangeably
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  Speaker 3: a lot. That's a really great question. So VR, you know,
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  Speaker 3: if we want to throw the dictionary at it is
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  Speaker 3: basically kind of like the video games that you see
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  Speaker 3: out there, where people are walking around in an actual
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  Speaker 3: three D space. They have goggles on. It's usually hooked
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  Speaker 3: up to a really high powered PC or something a computer,
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  Speaker 3: and they also have those little things they're holding in
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  Speaker 3: their hands where they can interact and you know, you
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  Speaker 3: see the cool video games where you're shooting zombies all
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  Speaker 3: around you or something. So that's v are where you
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  Speaker 3: can interact completely with the environment. You can walk, you know,
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  Speaker 3: with your actual two feet, and the goggles on your
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  Speaker 3: face are basically just you know, re you know, displaying
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  Speaker 3: what you're what you should be seeing in the video
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  Speaker 3: game or whatever. So there aren't a lot of actual
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  Speaker 3: VR video if you will. But so, and before I
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  Speaker 3: get into that, sorry, I'll talk about the difference. So
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  Speaker 3: three sixty video, on the other hand, is basically captured
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  Speaker 3: video wrapped in a sphere around a user, and the
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  Speaker 3: only thing that the user can actually interact with in
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  Speaker 3: the video is where they're looking, which direction they're looking at.
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  Speaker 3: The filmmaker still has control basically over how tall that
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  Speaker 3: viewer is and where they are standing in that space.
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  Speaker 3: So with three sixty video, you can look around, you
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  Speaker 3: can move your phone around if you're watching on a
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  Speaker 3: phone or a tabit or whatever, or on a computer,
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  Speaker 3: you can click around and move you know, your direction,
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  Speaker 3: but you can't actually walk, you know, anywhere. You can't say, oh,
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  Speaker 3: what's that rock over there, I'm gonna go see what's
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  Speaker 3: behind it. You can't do that quite yet with with
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  Speaker 3: three sixty video. But in a VR world that it's
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  Speaker 3: all built on a computer, so everything is you know,
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  Speaker 3: all the data is there. You could walk around and
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  Speaker 3: see what's behind the rock, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 3: Got it.
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  Speaker 2: So it's uh, yeah, I actually saw that thing on
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  Speaker 2: Facebook once. I was I was I think I was
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  Speaker 2: watching Casey nastat with with the Samsung brig and he
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  Speaker 2: posted something on Facebook and it said move your phone left.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, what does that mean? I'm like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jesus. This is this is witchcraft.
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  Speaker 3: It's insane, It's really weird. It was the weirdest thing ever.
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  Speaker 2: Like, how did they know it was? And Facebook has
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  Speaker 2: I guess you could do it. You could upload three
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  Speaker 2: sixty video on Facebook now And I was like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: that's insane, Like just the things you can do with
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  Speaker 2: that are amazing, which brings me to my next question.
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  Speaker 2: What kind of stories can you tell with three sixty video?
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  Speaker 2: Can you can you shoot a feature film with three
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  Speaker 3: Oh that's yeah, that's the million dollar question. There's been
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  Speaker 3: a lot of really cool experimentation going on. So I
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  Speaker 3: think the big question right now, at least in my mind,
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  Speaker 3: is you know what future does three sixty video have
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  Speaker 3: with like documentary filmmaking versus like narrative fiction filmmaking. Right so,
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  Speaker 3: there have been a lot of like horror, the horror
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  Speaker 3: genre has been obviously all over three sixty because you know,
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  Speaker 3: you have all this new space to work with to
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  Speaker 3: jump and scare people. And I've seen a lot of recreations,
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  Speaker 3: like historical recreations in three sixty video and you know,
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  Speaker 3: of course that's my background is in documentary filmmaking, so
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  Speaker 3: that's kind of where I've been working mostly. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the short answer is everybody's doing doing three sixty and
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  Speaker 3: there have been full length feature films made in it there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: can you name some. I actually don't know the name
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  Speaker 3: off the top of my head. It's it's been pretty recent,
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  Speaker 3: but there have been a few, like TV networks and
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  Speaker 3: stuff that been thrown you know, pretty big chunks of
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  Speaker 3: money at VR and three sixty and there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of experimentation going on with it right now. So I
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  Speaker 3: think it's been living a lot in the documentary world.
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  Speaker 3: And I can look up some of these and give
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  Speaker 3: you links and stuff and you can throw them in
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  Speaker 3: the show notes. But it's been living a lot in
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  Speaker 3: the documentary world. But I think a lot of fiction
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  Speaker 3: filmmakers and you know, like horror and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 3: have been really interested in doing it. But another kind
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  Speaker 3: of unforeseen, huge genre of three sixty filmmaking is the
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  Speaker 3: education world. There have been a lot of universities, especially
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  Speaker 3: at the most recent NAB When I was out there,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I met up with a lot of you know,
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  Speaker 3: professors and administrators, education people that were from all over
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  Speaker 3: the country, all over the world wanting to implement VR
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  Speaker 3: and three sixty into their teaching, which is awesome because
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  Speaker 3: you know, obviously you can take people out on a
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  Speaker 3: field trip, a virtual field trip of anywhere you want,
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  Speaker 3: whether that be Mars or just a canyon up the
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  Speaker 3: street of the school, you know. And as as a
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  Speaker 3: matter of fact, that's the project I'm working on now
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  Speaker 3: at the local university here is their geology department is
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  Speaker 3: hiring me to do some work with them to basically
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  Speaker 3: do some drone footage and some really cool like virtual
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  Speaker 3: walkthroughs of this canyon, this really interesting canyon nearby so
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  Speaker 3: that they show their students.
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  Speaker 2: That's insane. So yeah, like it's like it's like basically
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  Speaker 2: like okay, let's go to the Pyramids of Giza, and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you can go to the Pyramids of Giza or the
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  Speaker 2: Great Wall of China or any of these places and you.
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  Speaker 3: Can overlay graphics and put really cool you know, you know,
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  Speaker 3: text or you could even throw you know, three D
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  Speaker 3: animated time lapses if you want saying like, hey, this
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  Speaker 3: is what it looked like ten thousand years ago. Now
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  Speaker 3: let's jump to today. Stop it, stop it. You can
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  Speaker 3: just be standing in the middle of this really cool experience, right,
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  Speaker 3: So it's awesome. And then the cool part is people
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  Speaker 3: can watch it on their phones now, they can watch
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  Speaker 3: it on their tablets. They can do it anywhere, so
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  Speaker 3: you don't need to go to some fancy, you know,
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  Speaker 3: planetarium or anything. It's it's very accessible.
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  Speaker 2: So unlike VR, you don't need a helmet or a
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  Speaker 2: pair of goggles to look at three sixty video as
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  Speaker 2: long as you have it on, it's being projected in
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  Speaker 2: a proper way.
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  Speaker 3: Correct, So right, you can technically, yeah, you can watch
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  Speaker 3: it on a computer, just on a laptop or you
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  Speaker 3: know whatever and click around with the mouse, or you
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  Speaker 3: can watch what you can hold your phone out in
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  Speaker 3: front of your tablet. Obviously, the most ideal way to
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  Speaker 3: watch VR or three sixty is through goggles. It's a
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  Speaker 3: little bit more immersive that way, you know, with some
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  Speaker 3: headphones on and stuff, and you know, there's spatial audio
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  Speaker 3: which interacts the audio actually can track to your head too,
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  Speaker 3: So there's that's a whole other topic as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say audio mixing for this must
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  Speaker 2: be a bitch.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's complex, man, it's you know, I'm not an
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  Speaker 3: audio engineer by any stretch of the imagination, so I
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  Speaker 3: can't speak to the you know, nitty gritty too much.
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  Speaker 3: But it's it's they're they're making it more simple. I've
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  Speaker 3: been messing around in beta testing for a few companies
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  Speaker 3: some software that basically allows you to mix the audio
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  Speaker 3: in like, you know, a Dobe surround sort of format,
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  Speaker 3: you know, five one, seven to one, and then basically
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  Speaker 3: what happens is you tell the camp or you tell
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  Speaker 3: the software where is your like your point one, you know,
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  Speaker 3: your your base point, and then as soon as your
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  Speaker 3: head turns, the software in either the phone or the
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  Speaker 3: goggles has to actually process and chain and mix that
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  Speaker 3: audio on the spot and.
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  Speaker 2: The come on.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's so the Yeah, it's pretty pretty wild.
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  Speaker 2: That's insanity, man. I mean, we're we're starting to get
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  Speaker 2: into Star Trek world.
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  Speaker 3: Man, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: It's we're just we're only a few steps away from
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  Speaker 2: the from the the holidack.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then maybe the next thing is being able
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  Speaker 3: to create hamburgers from the you know, the little touch screen.
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  Speaker 2: Right, oh god right, imagines like dude, and that's just there.
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  Speaker 2: Did you by the way, I hope the audience enjoy
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  Speaker 2: enjoyed my sound effects. Oh yeah, I know I did.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. So so now that let's say we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna go out and shoot some stuff, what's some pre
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  Speaker 2: shoot equipment that you would need. They just do a
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  Speaker 2: basic three sixty shoot.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, that's a great question. I mean with the
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  Speaker 3: thing with three sixty cameras, you you can go as
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  Speaker 3: small as like the Samsung Gear or you know, Kodec's
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  Speaker 3: got one of those dual camera setups too, where it's
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  Speaker 3: got the two cameras back to back. But really, with
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  Speaker 3: three sixty video, I mean you could go all the
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  Speaker 3: way up to the Ozo, to the Nokia Ozo. That's
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  Speaker 3: like a forty five thousand dollars camera. You know, that's
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  Speaker 3: completely professional global shutter, you know, thirteen stops, a dynamic
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  Speaker 3: range kind of thing. So that one's great, But with
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  Speaker 3: three sixty video, you can go you know, as small
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  Speaker 3: as you really want, you know, and it's it's kind
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  Speaker 3: of threatening and it feels a little bit scary to
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  Speaker 3: go out and shoot it. But as long as you're
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  Speaker 3: holding your arm steady and or if you're on a
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  Speaker 3: tripod and you're just shooting like landscape stuff, you know,
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  Speaker 3: pre shoot equipment, all you really need is you know,
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: the camera and kind of a sense of imagination.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: Really and do you how do you record the audio?
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: So the audio can usually be recorded on the actual device.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: Samsung Gear has a few microphones and the Codec does
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: as well. There actually are even a few I think
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: it's called the Insta three sixty company from I'm not
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: even sure where they're from, but they have a cool
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: little basically small three sixty camera that you can plug
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: into the bottom of your phone either Android or iOS. Uh,
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: and you can live stream three sixty video now on
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: Facebook or YouTube. So I mean, I'm sure I vloggers
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: and stuff are going to be, you know, all over
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: this and wanting to get into that. So that's kind
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: of fun. You can be you know, taking people on
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: a tour and stuff of you know, if you're vacationing
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: or you know, talking to the camera, they can look
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: at you or they can look behind you.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Or if you're on a film set and you want
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: to give the people a tour of the film set,
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: that would be a great marketing for oh listening, really awesome.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: That would blow people's mind as far as great content
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: and great material that you can use for marketing. I mean,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: imagine just doing a three sixty table read. Oh yeah,
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: of all the actors. I mean, you could do my marketing.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Mind's turning on now, So that would be.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: I'm sure they're going to implement it with Skype and
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: with any other you know. I'm sure it's going to
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: be a business solution here pretty soon where if you
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: want to beam into a meeting or something, you know,
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: across the country or across the globe, you can just
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: sit there and it'll be like you're actually sitting there.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: You can look around see who's talking. It won't be
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: like a you know, a webcam that they set up
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: in the corner trying to you know, see everybody. It'll
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: just be a three sixty camera sitting in a chair somewhere,
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: and you know, the CEO or whoever can sit there
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: and look around and chat and like the like the
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Jedi Council. Yes, exactly, that's the goal that's the.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Goal Jedi Council boom, Yes, just with better dialogue. But so, so,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: what are some of the pitfalls that you should avoid
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: when shooting three sixty video?
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: So with three sixty video, I think one of the
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: biggest complications, one of the newest thing, or not complications,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: but one of the biggest difficulties is a lot of
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: creative control is is stripped from the creator. So I
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: think a lot of people go into it expecting to
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: still be able to like frame the shot if you will,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: can you figure exactly? So that's kind of a new
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: frustrating thing. And I even remember going out and doing
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: you know, uh like previz or you know, tex scouts
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: location scouts for different shoots and think and it's kind
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: of weird because you stand there and you're like, oh,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: that's a nice angle, that's a nice frame. Oh wait,
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: I can't actually have an angle. You know, this isn't
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: a two D thing a box where I'm saying, okay,
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: here are the edges of the frame. You know, there's
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: no lenses that I choose to shoot with. I can't
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: you know, really change a lot of those things. All
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: I can really choose is where the person is standing
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: and how tall they are. So obviously there's still a
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: lot of cool things you can do with that, with
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: movement and drones or whatever you can come up with.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: But that's kind of the first hurdle that a lot
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: of people have to get over is understanding that when
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: you're framing a shot in quotes, you've got to basically
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: stand in one place and kind of look in every
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: single direction and say is this interesting over here? Is
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: this interesting over there? And then you've also got to say, well,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: maybe I don't want it to be interesting other than
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: this one little place I want. I want to draw
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: attention to that one part of the three hundred and
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: sixty degree space. So there's a lot of new questions
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: to ask yourself, and that's kind of one of the bigger,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: you know, artistic hurdles to overcome. There's plenty of technological
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: and other ones we can get into, but that was
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: one of the bigger ones that I remember going through
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: as a creator, you know, coming from the two dimensional
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: world of filmmaking. It was kind of interesting to be like, wow,
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: this is a totally new way of thinking and a
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: totally new way of storytelling.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Now I saw I was, I was watching your demo
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: on your website and I saw you in the corner. Yeah,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: so which brings me to my next question. How do
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: you hide or remove gear, crew, camera operators, et cetera.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Right, that's a that's a great question. That's actually something
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: I go into a lot and you know, in the
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: things I teach in the course. But basically you have to,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: you know, make a decision whether or not you can
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: even remove yourself like I was filming at that Holy
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Color Festival and that was practically impossible. I mean, I
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: could have tried to paint myself out. But basically, the
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: short answer is it's it's simple techniques like that you've
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: learned in photoshop or after effects, where you're compositing out
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: different things in a two D in a two D
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: space like on a two D shot, but with three
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: sixty video obviously it's you know, how many, how many
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: ever more times work?
• 19:57
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• 20:03
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• 20:06
  Speaker 3: To make sure everything gets painted out in that three
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: sixty space. So there's a few plugins like Skybox Metal
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: the or Metals Skybox Suite is really awesome. That's the
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: one I use. I also use a mixture of like
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Mocha Pro and Mocha VR with you know premiere and
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: after effects too. And I have a little bit of
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: background in visual effects, not tons, but I had enough
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: that I could figure out basically how to convert this
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: weird sphere video, this equa rectangular what they call it
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: video into something that I could work with as a
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: VFX artist. But it's basically the same techniques you know
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: as painting out people in two dimensional video. It's just
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: being able to convert that back and distort it properly
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: so that it looks right in you know that sphere
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: in that three sixty video.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: So I was going through your site and I wanted
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: to ask you what is Autopano Video Pro.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, that's that is my favorite software. It's basically
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: the stitching software for It's kind of the first step
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: in the whole process. So once you've shot everything, whether
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: you've got you know, ten cameras or you know three
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: cameras or whatever, basically you obviously have a bunch of
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: SD cards or you have a bunch of different video
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: files however you get them. And what Autopane Video does
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: is it basically takes all those videos and it will
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: smartly sync and allows you to easily either buy an
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: audio cue or a visual clap or something. You can
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: sync them all up and then it basically finds all
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: those little intricate points and stitches them all together. So
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: obviously the idea with three sixty video is when you're
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: shooting with ten cameras, you want to have overlap right
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: on each one of those cameras so that there's a
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: little bit of wiggle room as far as you know
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: how you're stitching and how you're kind of melding them
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: together to make the edges look seamless. And that's kind
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: of what Autopanel Video takes care of it, and it
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: gives you a lot of tools to customize and to
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: really tweak and make things look just right. And there's
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: also a partner program called Autopano Giga that I believe
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: has been around a lot longer an Autopano Video. An
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Autopanel Giga is just basically another program that has done
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: the still version. So people that did Google street View
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: or that the you know, they really awesome people that
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: would go on and add three sixty photos of the
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Eiffel Tower or something on Google Earth I remember looking
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: at those even as a kid. They all used programs
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: very similar to Autopano Giga. So the Autopene video is
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: basically the same thing, but just for video.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: So stitching, basically, if I'm for lame in terms, is
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: basically just because you've overlapping the video. All the video
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: frames of all the all the cameras you're using in
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: the in the rig, they overlap, so you've got to
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: kind of to melt them together or composite them together
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: in some way, and stitching is the term you use,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: and that's what basically stitching is an auto Pano video
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: kind of does helps you tremendously by doing that.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that is exactly right. So there's you can
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: there's I know a few people that not a few people,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: but there's there's people that I've heard do their stitching
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: in programs like Fusion, you know from Black Magic, or
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: they use nuke and stuff, and that's there's a there's
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: plenty of you know, there's always a million ways to
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: skin a cat as far as the post production goes.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: But the one I really like to use that makes
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: it pretty simple and gives you still you know, power
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: user customization options is Autopena video and now is there.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: But I saw some at again at that senegiar, I
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: saw some setups that were doing autos auto stitching like
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: it was, it was automatically just doing it for you.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Can you talk a little bit about that.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they've got I mean, the Nokio Ozo has proprietary software.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: I believe the Jont actually is entirely cloud based. So
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: when you go out and shoot with the Jaunt camera,
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: you just upload your media to the cloud and they
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: do all the processing and stitching for you stop it. Yeah,
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: so it's pretty efficient. Obviously, it's like, you know, that's
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: and I'm sure you pay for it on the back end,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: but oh, I'm sure right, it's it's really awesome. The
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: only downside I think to those kinds of solutions, and
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: this isn't really a downside, but you do need to
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: go in and add you know, finishing touches. So if
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: there are minor stitch problems. Obviously the human eye can
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: notice weird aberrations a lot easier and more efficiently than
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: like a computer could. But that said, I think it
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: won't be you know, another two or three years before
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: computer stitching is completely awesome. You know, Google's got a
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: the Google Jump program. They're working with all sorts of there.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: They haven't open up their API yet, but they're working
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: with all sorts of camera companies, and they've got some
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: really really awesome like AI driven stitching, and Facebook even
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: has some stitching solutions as well. So I think that's
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: kind of the holy grail right now, as a lot
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: of companies are looking for, you know, a seamless of perfect,
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: one hundred percent awesome stitching solutions so that filmmakers no
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: longer have to worry about all that you know, technical
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: stitching and stuff like that. But when you do want
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: to fix minor issues or polish things off and make
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: things look a little bit better or add little embellishments
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: here and there, you still do need to work in
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: that ecor tanger format. So but yeah, that's stitching. Hopefully, eventually,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: I'm very sure we'll be automated soon.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Now, are there any tips that you can give the
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: listeners to do a perfect stitch?
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: That's yeah, that's just a couple of tips. Yeah, a
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: couple of tips. So I think with stitching, the big
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: thing is just being detail oriented. I think a lot
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: of people either try to just run through it quickly,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: and you know, they don't want to really spend time
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: looking through each possible angle of their shot, and you
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: know the best way to do that is just to
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: go through and watch it over and over again and
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: look up stuff and make sure that it looks good.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Sorry did you hear that? Sorry much? Keep on? Okay,
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: there's a little notification that came up. That's all good,
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: But so yeah, I mean detail oriented. I think is
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: important being able to watch through your shot and notice
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: things because the biggest draw I think, or the biggest
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: important thing with stitching for me, is as soon as
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: somebody notices an obvious stitch air, it kind of pulls
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: them out of the magic as a viewer. And obviously
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: you don't need to be you don't need to pull
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: your hair out about it, and you know, spend thousands
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: of hours making everything look flawless. But I think that's
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: the biggest thing, is to realize how important a good
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: stitch is. And then I think the other thing is
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: is to just identify and be smart about your shooting.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: That's honestly the best advice I can give anybody is
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: the magic really doesn't happen in post production as much
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: as it happens in actually production and shooting. So if
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: you shoot smart and you understand the limitations and the
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: possibilities of your camera, then you know you're gonna avoid
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: a lot of headaches in post production.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Now, did you I'm assuming you saw Justin Linn's short
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: film Help. Yes, awesome, the three that's a three sixty
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: short film. So that's a really good example of a
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: narrative story.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's great. I mean they shot that on reds,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: so they got a bunch they got it.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, human when you got that, when you got
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: that kind of you got Justin Linn money. Yeah, and
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: I think it was Google who paid for it, so
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: right right, oh.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was a huge, huge undertaking. But yeah,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: that was a that was also a really good example
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: of kind of the mixed media if you will, of
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: you know, the the real life captured footage from the
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: reds and that three sixty rig that they built, but
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: then also adding in three dimensional elements that hid a
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: lot I'm sure of those, you know, any stitching problems
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: they had, they could you know, kind of paint out,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: or they could hide behind a monster or whatever. So
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: that's actually what a lot of people are moving towards.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: A lot of filmmakers that I've seen, they're actually shooting
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: a lot of just kind of basse plates on in
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: actual three sixty and then they actually go in and
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: shoot a lot of the assets and all that, you know,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: the characters and things that are happening in the frame
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: on like a green screen just in a you know,
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: normal studio, and then they composit those in into that
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: three sixty space. So there's really a lot of ways
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: you can do this, and a lot of people are
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: you know, experimenting with all sorts of different ways, so
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: it's really exciting.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: So what programs do you use to edit three sixty video?
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: I just use Adobe Premiere, so it's it's basically the
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: exact same thing you're editing exactly how you would normally,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: you know, a two D stuff. Premiere has just recently
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: at you know, upgraded and added a kind of a
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: three sixty view button, like a toggle you can choose
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: on the program monitor, which is really handy, so you
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: mostly can just it. Look. You can edit in that
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: ecoric tangular video format is what they call it, where
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: it looks like it's just really wide angle. It looks
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: kind of weird, But then you can click a little
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: button and you can actually you know, hit play on
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: your your keyboard and actually watch in real time what
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: your viewer would be seeing or what they could be seeing.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: So Premiere has been really good at adopting the technologies
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: as well. But luckily it's exactly the same as as
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: you know, editing two D video.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: And then and for visual effects, any of the standard
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: visual effects packages would work.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I mean that that's kind of another difficult
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: thing when when you're wrapping three sixty video in that
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: sphere from the equic tangatar format, a lot of like
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: blur effects or pixel eight or you know, whatever effects
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: you might have added initially. Even color corrections sometimes can
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: be a little difficult because at the very end, at
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: the one hundred and eighty degree mart line right behind
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: the viewer, sometimes you'll get a hard line because the
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: effect doesn't know how to basically repeat infinitely in that sphere,
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: so it actually has to sort of recalculate things in
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: skybox or metal, the company has been doing a really
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: good job at coming out with transitions, coming out with
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: effects like you know, blur and sharpen and things like that.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: Basic stuff right now, but I'm sure it'll get more advanced.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: You know, in the near future. They're coming out with
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: those effects that are actually three sixty ready. So right
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: now it's kind of a lot of experimentation to see
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: if it'll work, and most of the time they do.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: But as far as you know, actually having three sixty
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: degree or VR ready effects, I think that's still something
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: that needs to be worked on, and a lot of companies,
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: i'm sure are doing that now.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: So now how do you deliver your final product? What
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: do I what format do you deliver it on?
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: So the format is still the same, it's just a
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: quick time video, but with Premiere what you do when
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: you actually export there's there used to not be this.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Actually before Premiere updated, there was a little program you
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: had to download from YouTube that uploaded metadata into this
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: video file. However, you know a expert, whether it be
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: an MP four or an m.
• 30:00
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• 30:07
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• 30:11
  Speaker 3: And then that that metadata basically told whichever player you
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: uploaded to that it was a three sixty video, and
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: then it needed to be treated differently. Right, So the
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: big issue with delivering three sixty video right now is
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: you need to be able to deliver it on a
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: platform that can actually view three sixty video, because if
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: you just play it on you know, without that metadata,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: on like a TV or anything, it'll just play back,
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: you know, that weird stretched out format, which is not
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: what you want obviously. So when you when you're working
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: with clients the you know, Premiere has updated their thing
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: where you just click a little box that says this
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: is VR video or this is three sixty video, and
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: it'll actually automatically upload that metadata into the video file
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: and then you just deliver the video file as if
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: you were sending any other two D video. And then
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: obviously you just need to make sure that you're either
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: watching it on you know, a headset or if you
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: know they're wanting to do like web distribution, you need
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: to use a program or use like YouTube or Facebook
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: or something like wistia or Vimeo even has three sixty
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: video now, so I'm sure it'll become more you know,
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: affluent in the future, but yeah, you just need to
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: make sure that they understand that you can't just watch
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: it absolutely anywhere. You need to upload it to a
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: program that can erk like YouTube or a service that
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: can actually support playing back three sixty video.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: So with all this said, after all the stuff we've
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: talked about, it's fair to say that this is not
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: this is a you need to know your stuff to
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: kind of shoot this. It's not like grabbing a camera
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: and going out and you know, shooting like you really
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: need to understand the technology. You really need to understand
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: the workflow, the post workflow, which is a lot more
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: complicated than just shooting a narrative on a two D situation.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean it's it's definitely I mean there's
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: some simplicity and stuff. And I've been in it for
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: a long time, so it's probably hard for me to to,
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: you know, really step back and see. But I remember
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: starting out how complex it was, and you know, basically
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: having to experiment a lot, a lot of hair pulling,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: a lot of getting super mad trying to figure out
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: stuff work. I wanted to punch the computer and stuff.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean it's honestly, once you understand the
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: big picture, it makes the whole process a lot smoother.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: So I think that's probably one of the big frustrating
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: things is people try to jump into it without really
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: understanding the end and beginning in the middle and how
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: like you said, how the workflow goes. So it's still
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: very complicated there are it's not as complicated as I
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: think people. I definitely don't want to scare anybody away.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: That's kind of my goal with you know, what I've
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: been doing. I definitely want people to come and be
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: creators in it. And I think that was a pleasant
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: surprise that I had too, is like, Okay, this is complex,
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: this is hard. There's things to learn, but you know,
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: it's doable. Even a dumb guy like me can figure
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: it out and uh, you know, and learn how to
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: do all this stuff and have fun doing it. So
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: it's kind of that blend where, yeah, you know, people
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: can save themselves a lot of headache if they do
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: a little bit of homework at the beginning. But yeah,
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, if they wanted to jump in, they could
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: if they have you know, hundreds of hours of free
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: time and you know the obvious naughty Google and stuff.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: You're like, you sure, go ahead, there's there's plenty of
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: you know, random places all over the internet to learn
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: how to do it, just like anything, I guess, right.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: But but you've been so You've been doing this for
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: a while, so you've seen the technology change dramatically in
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: the course of the time that you've been in it.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: So it's getting easier. Things that used to take you
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: hours to do now you could do in minutes purely
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: because of technology.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I you know, and honestly, I haven't even
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: been in it as long as some people have, and
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: even the past few years that I've been doing it,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: it's yeah, it's attention it's getting from big companies. Is
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: I think the best is the best news that we
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: could be having right now because all that money in
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: research is now going into it and companies are coming
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: out with really awesome technology that helps. You know, obviously
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: with the stitching, that's the biggest thing right now that
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: I think people are going to be trying to simplify.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: And then obviously as well, shooting with three sixty is
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: going to become better and better as well, because you
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: look at like the Nokia Ozo and that camera is professional.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: It's great, but it's also it weighs a bunch, you know,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: It's weighs like twenty pounds, and it's very difficult to
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: work with as far as like a documentary filmmaker that
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: just wants to go out and shoot. Right, it is
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: battery powered, but it's like you need so much gear
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: and you kind of look at the evolution of the
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: DSLR right where that sort of blew up. You know,
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: the idea that indie filmmakers can go out and just
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: make make a movie, right, they could go out, they.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Get me start as like backpack of stuff. Yeah, get
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: me started. Please don't get me started with the.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Downside, right, I mean, I hope that with three sixty
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: video the technology gets to the place where it's simpler.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: And obviously it will be. I mean in the future
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: it will be, but yeah, as of right now, it's
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: it's still pretty hard to do complex. It's you know,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: it takes a little bit of expertise, but it's also
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: something that if somebody really wants to do, they should
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: and they can now.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, I would have quate three sixty video a
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: little bit with the three D resurgence back in the
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: two thousand and nine twenty ten eleven, where three D
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: was all the rage and everything was going to be
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: shot in three D and everybody was running around trying
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: to get the rigs together and oh my god, I
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: need my software. I can't edit three D. I need
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: I can't call it Grade three D and all of
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: this stuff. And I remember all that was I was
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: sitting in presentations and rental houses and they were all
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: trying to sell their their new three D rig and
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: James Karen was coming out and the only three D
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: I've ever seen that I liked was Avatar because on Hugo.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Hugo was really good too, because you have two masters
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: working in the format. But I think that's a lot
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: a little bit of that's happening with three sixty. But
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: unlike three D, in my personal opinion, I think three
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: sixty has a much brighter future. I think it's something
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: that will be around for many, many years to come
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: and will evolve into something that will eventually turn into
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: the Holid.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Deck, right right, And yeah, that's that was honestly the
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: first thing I remember getting into three sixty. And I
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: was working with I work at a place called the
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Good Line that's kind of like my full time gig,
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: and you know, my bosses, my colleagues were talking to
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: me about three sixty video a few years back, and
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: that was kind of the first thing we thought. It
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: was like Okay, is this just another smell of vision?
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Is this is you know right? I mean, is it
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: just another gimmick? And we kind of started thinking it
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: was at first, But yeah, like you say, once I
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: think everybody started catching onto the marketing possibilities, the education possibilities,
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: the entertainment possibility, Like it really just fits all these
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: different you know needs that a lot of companies and
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: medical folders, oh, medically, yeah, you name it. It's you
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: know even yeah, all sorts of ways to train people.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: I've seen really cool studies done with people that are
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: you know, an end of life care elderly folks that
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: are going through a lot of pain or Alzheimer's, and
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: they actually give them three sixty goggles or VR goggles
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: to like sit at a beach or to go on
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: a walk. And they actually have shown, you know, through
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: MRIs and stuff, that it's helping with their you know, depression,
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: their anxiety of course you know, painless. So it's it's awesome,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: it's it has also it really goes across the whole
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: spectrum of how it can help people.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: It is turning into like total recall and all these
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: old sci fi It really is like what was that
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: the sixth Day. I remember where Michael rapperport an armed
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: force I can move called the sixth Day at six days,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: called the sixth Day, and and you know he had
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: a three dimensional you know girlfriend, you know, and all
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: like but I'm not saying that this is turning into that,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: but I'm like, wow, it's it's we're all getting to
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: that place where you can sit on a beach and
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: I can be in Hawaii, I can have the sound,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: and I can have this. I can't feel the heat
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: of the sun, but I can almost smell it.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: And see, Oh, they're getting there. I'm sure they're going
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: to I mean they even have they're doing research now
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: where you put on gloves and it actually will give
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: you tactile feedback so you can touch things and feel
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: like fur, you can feel you know, glass, you can
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's getting scary. It's the matrix.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: We're getting into the matrix. We're getting into the matrix.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: It totally is. I mean, there might even be people
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: and I think it's you know inception where people are
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: dreaming and they pay they go to these little underground
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: places just to stay in their dreams because they like
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: it better than real life. And I honestly would not
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: think that that's too far off. You know, eventually we're
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: going to get to that point where, yeah, it's wild.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: I mean people are even using it for I even
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: heard of a dentist that was using it and is
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: not needing to use painkiller at all when he's doing
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: fillings or root canals because people are so into the
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: VR experience. I mean they just use VR goggles instead
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: of pain killer. It's wild. So yeah, it's crazy, And
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: I think the exciting thing that I remember seeing any
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: b just this last time is we are actually very
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: very close to actually getting VR video. So, as I
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: explained before, VR is when you can walk around in
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: a space and look around objects and stuff. It's not
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: just looking where you're at. They're actually coming up with
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: cameras like the Letro and other cameras that are basically
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: light field capture. So it's more than just capturing you know,
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: the brightness of the reflection of light like a normal
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: camera does, or the color of whatever the reflection is.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: It's actually capturing depth information and it will be able
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: to three D scan an environment in real time and
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: then you can literally walk around, you know, at a
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: sporting event, or you mean it'll take virtual field trips
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: to the next level because you can go up and
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: who knows, maybe you can go touch rocks and you
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: can I mean, it's crazy. I mean, the sky's the
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: limit really on how this technology will develop. So that
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: and that's kind of where I think we saw too,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: kind of coming back to your original question that it's
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: it's definitely more than a gimmick, I think at this point,
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: because I think people are realizing this is kind of
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: the future of how we present information to people remotely.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, it will make the world that much smaller.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: You can go swimming in the ocean and then the
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: next second you can be walking on Mars.
• 39:57
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• 40:03
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• 40:06
  Speaker 3: From three D scans from the rover, you know, I mean, yeah.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think I think at this point for
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: filmmakers it's I don't I don't see it how it
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: can turn into something for narrative filmmaking per se. Like
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I saw the Justin Lynn thing, and that's great and
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: it's awesome, but that's not a film, that's an experience.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: It's a it's like almost it's almost like a ride.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: It's almost like a not Carnival ride, but like you know,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: some sort of Disney or Universal ride where you kind
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: of experience something. It's different than filmmaking. It's different than
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: the television or movies or anything like that. It's right
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: because that that that that medium is about a creator
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: director telling you I need you to look at this now.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: I need you to look at that now totally. So
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: you can't get that with three sixty. But with three
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: but the other things that are available, what you can
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: do with it is massive. So can you real quickly
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: tell the audience a few places like if hey, I'm
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: going to get into the three sixty world now I'm
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: a filmmaker, where can I make some money?
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: That's that's a great question. Yeah. Honestly, the biggest place
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: right now, I think is education. That is the biggest
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: market right now to get involved with. So there's a
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: lot of schools all over the country, all over the world,
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: whether that be high schools or you know, universities obviously
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: usually have a little bit bigger budgets. They're all looking for,
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: you know, everything from consultants to actual practitioners, which is
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: what I'm doing with the university here in Utah where
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: they're wanting to create this three sixty content and they're
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: wanting to make it interactive and interesting and fun. So
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: there's a huge, huge market in education, and I would
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: think the next one real estate, is obviously a big
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: one because people, you know, rested agents are also always
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: looking for, you know, ways to sell homes innovatively and better.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: There's other cameras like the matter Port that do the
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: photos still virtual tours, those are cool, but I think
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: three sixty video has a space there. But yeah, I
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: mean education and in real estate I think are kind
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: of the biggest low hanging fruit right now. As far
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: as like actually doing branding and marketing, I think that's
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: also another big area. That's kind of what where I've been,
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: you know, in my wheelhouse for the past while. Like
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: I was out in the Philippines directing a video showcasing
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: a factory sewer for a company named Coto POxy, where
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: we followed a sewer in one of their factories kind
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: of in a day day in the life, kind of
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: with his really adorable family and his home and everything.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: So I think there's a lot of companies that are
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: wanting to do that as well. We've seen a lot
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: of like liquor companies or you know, companies that want
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: to show, okay, this is how this product is made,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: fact origin, right. They want to see the people working
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: with their hands and stuff. So I think there's a
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: lot of marketing and branding work that will be coming
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: out soon as well. And I think I actually I
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: tend to go with you that narrative filmmaking is cool
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: with three sixty, but like you say, it's more of
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: an experience. And I think documentary filmmaking can still have
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: a place with three sixty, and I think it still will.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's if it's still called a documentary,
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: you know, film, it's definitely different because, like you say,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: you're not really directing where people are looking, but.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Like plant but like Planet Earth or or a National Joke,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: any kind of wildlife documentary. I mean, it's built for
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. But like you're going to see,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: you know, Fahrenheit nine to eleven, three sixty don't really
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: think so, you know, Bowling for Columbine not really the
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: three sixty kind of movie. But I think for for
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: those kind of documentaries, those anything nature based is you know,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: or anything that you like, I'm gonna go see how
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: how you know olive oil is made for lack of
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: a better term, And I'm going to go to or
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: wine and I'm going to go to the winery and
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: you walk through the thing.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: But it's an experience.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: It's different, It's it's not it is kind of narrative,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: but it's different. So I think we're still in We're
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: still in the infancy basically of this whole.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: I think people are still feeling out, you know, where
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: it's it's used well for you know, why why we
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: should use it over another tool and I and I
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: guess it comes back to that foundation. Something that I've
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: always tried to work, you know, live by in my
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: career is that you know, a story is king. You know,
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: your content is what matters. It doesn't matter if you're
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: shooting with you know, fancy camera and not fancy camera. Obviously,
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: tools are important, you want to have as good a
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: gear as you can, but three sixty video VR, that
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: kind of thing is just another tool in the toolbox.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: So if you've got a story or an experience or
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: a message or anything that you're wanting to share with somebody,
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: you know, you should always still consider three sixty as
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: a possibility, but also I think people should avoid and
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: try to avoid the pitfall of shooting in three sixty
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: just because it's cool. You know, you see a lot
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: of stuff where even commercials and stuff, I'm like, oh,
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: that's cool, Like it's cool through sixty. But I don't
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: know why they decided to shoot in three sixty other
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: than just to have three sixty in the metadata. Right,
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: So I think it's another tool in the toolkit, and
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: and people should you should respect it obviously and understand
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: its power and you know how it can be used,
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: but also avoid using it just for the sake of
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: using it.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Now, can you tell us a little bit about your
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: awesome course on three sixty because I know you have
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: a course telling us how to master this technology.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Sir, Yeah, yeah, no, it's uh. I appreciate that. It's
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: it's a it's been a fun, you know, project, passionate,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: project of love. Basically I put a lot of a
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: lot of time into it. Basically it's the problem that
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: I wanted to solve where you know, if you don't
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: want to spend hours on Google, if you don't want
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: to you know, watch random tutorial videos and there's a
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: lot of great stuff out there. I don't mean to
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: bash anything, but I kind of just wanted to put
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: everything in one place, and I kind of OCD about that.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: So I had a lot of fun organizing it and
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: figuring out the process and the workflow, and I wanted
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: to put it all into one place where people can
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: learn to A to Z, right, So pre production everything
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: from pre production all the way to delivery, and you know,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: and and while I'm talking about this as well, I'm
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: also continually adding to the course and I do kind
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: of these virtual job shadows, if you will, where I'll
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: be editing and putting together videos of me actually out working.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: I've got that Geology shoot here coming up in a
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: few weeks, and I've got you know, a whole crew
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: ready to go out, and we're going to go shoot
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: the video, obviously, but I'm also going to be doing
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: education and teaching while I'm doing the projects. I'll be
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  Speaker 3: talking to the camera explaining why I'm doing certain things,
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  Speaker 3: so people can, you know, kind of come along and
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  Speaker 3: see how I work and see, you know, the choices
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  Speaker 3: that I'm making and how I'm making them, why I'm
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: making them. So it's a really cool course. It's a place,
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: it's it's kind of a community as well that I'd
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  Speaker 3: like to build where, you know, serious three sixty filmmakers
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  Speaker 3: are wanting to come for feedback. They're wanting to be
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: able to learn new things and kind of come to
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: a place that's continually updating with you know, the latest
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  Speaker 3: and greatest information. And you know, that's kind of why
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  Speaker 3: I did it, because I love through sixty video. I'm
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: passionate about it, and you know, I feel like, you know,
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: people need to come together and learn together, and I
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: think it could be a really cool place.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and and the Hustlers, the tribe. Uh, Josh has
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: given us a cool discount on the course, and I'll
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: leave that in the show notes and I'll talk a
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: little bit about that after we're done with this interview.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: But I'll give you all of that cool information. So now, Josh,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: I have a few questions I always ask all of
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: our guests, So please prepare yourself for the Oprah questions.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, I'm ready.
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  Speaker 2: First and foremost, what advice would you give a filmmaker
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  Speaker 2: who's just wanted to jump into the three sixty realm?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question. You know, the best advice
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: I can give is to worry more about creating and
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: getting stuff made than a what people are going to
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  Speaker 3: think about it and two and be how you're going
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: to market it. I think that's one of the biggest
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: downsides I see about people starting out as they're worried
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: so much about their keywords, They're worried about their SEO,
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: They're worried about, you know, all the technicalities of it,
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: but they're not stressing as much on the actual creating
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  Speaker 3: and making and going out and making mistakes and and
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  Speaker 3: you know, having fun and enjoying the process. So that's
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: what I would say, Go out and make and worry
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  Speaker 3: later about how to get you know, the clients or
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: get you know, the views or whatever. I think the
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: important part is going out and creating and going through
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: that process.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Now, what is the lesson that took you the longest
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  Speaker 2: to learn, whether in the film business or in life.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Oh man, that is a good question.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: I told you.
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  Speaker 3: It's deep. Okay, I would say, gosh, I still even
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: struggle with it, I think, but I think I'm I'm
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: getting a little bit better at not worrying about what
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: other people think about my work. So obviously you need
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: to make money. You need to you know, your work
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: needs to to be what other people want a lot
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: of the time. But I've learned that the reason anybody
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: gets into filmmaking or you know, any kind of art
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: I think for that matter, is to obviously, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's fulfilling to you, right for to making it for
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: whatever it's worth. And sometimes people don't like it. Sometimes
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: people do. I think the biggest thing for you know,
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: is to go through that world and take note of feedback,
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: take note of constructive criticism, but also don't take it
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: too personally, you know, and don't let it affect your work.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Don't let it discourage you from moving on. You know,
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: if you have to make stuff that people hate for
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: a few years, you know, that's part of the process,
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: and go through that and make it, and then you'll
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: learn and grow and eventually you'll be making stuff that
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: everybody wants to see. And yeah, I think that was
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: that was kind of a lesson that you know, I'm
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: still learning even where you just want to learn how
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: to I guess have thick skin in a way, right.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: You definitely need that in this business. Any in what
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• 49:50
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  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: So, so, name three of your favorite films of all time?
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, it won't be on your gravestone. Just three
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  Speaker 2: that comes to your mind.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: My mind, let's see. Gosh. So I always answer that
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  Speaker 3: I probably will get judged by all my you know,
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: film school, uh, you know, nerds, cinephiles. But Tommy Boy, Yes,
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: it's kind of a shameless play. I mean, I know
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: love that.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: It's come on, it's Chris Farley, It's it's.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: Classic, It's got everything you need, you know, the laughing
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: and crying. It's totally one of those movies for me.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: Let me see here.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know, I know when you when you
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: ever do these? LISTA like so kurakr Sawa and Bergman
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  Speaker 2: like No Man, Tommy Boy. I like Tommy Boy.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I could get into the film school.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Sure of course, boring right.
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  Speaker 3: The one of the more recent ones that I saw
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: that I absolutely loved was Logan loved it. It's so
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: so good, it's all experience. Oh absolutely, I was blown
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  Speaker 3: away with how down to earth a superhero movie could be, uh,
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: And that's what I was really impressed with. It had
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: all that superhero action, but it just felt so raw
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  Speaker 3: and gritty and it was great. So that was one
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  Speaker 3: I really loved too. And then let's go into the
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: documentary world. I think one that I saw at Sundance
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: a couple of years back called Pervert Park. I don't
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: know if you've seen that.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: I have not.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: It's a it's basically about an RV park where a
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: bunch of you know, basically yeah, sexual deviance. I guess
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: you could say, people have been convicted of, you know,
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: all sorts of terrible things. They basically can't find living
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: anywhere else other than this RV park. So there's a
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: bunch of pedophiles, you know, rapists, terrible Jesus things that
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: have happened at this one place. But it's interesting because
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: it kind of takes you into their world a little bit,
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: and it interviews with them, talks with them about, you know,
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: how what their history is, how you know, whatever happened happened.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: So it's kind of a It definitely doesn't give you know,
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: like an okay to what they did, but it definitely
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: humanizes it a little bit, and it kind of opened
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: my eyes to that that world. And so if anybody
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: is looking for a nice, depressing, really serious documentary, go
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: ahead and go watch Pervert Park. But it's it's really
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: well made, really fantastic documentary filmmaking, if you ask me so.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: And then also after that, I just watched Tommy Boy
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: and you'll be fine, yes.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: And then watch Tommy Way. Yeah, Tommy was so.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Josh, where can people find you? So?
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: I'm on pretty much any social media platform my Yeah,
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: of course, you can find me at the website, the
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: course website. You can even chat with me at any
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: time down at the bottom right there if you'd like.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: I'm on Twitter at Josh L. Gibson, Yeah, Facebook, I
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: mean you just search for me. My website is Josh
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: Gibson dot me as well, so if you just want
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: to go there you can find I think it's the
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: bottom left there's all my social media icons and stuff.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: So if anybody free to reach out to if anybody
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: needs a good three sixty guide, to give Josh a call,
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: He'll help you out. So he Josh Man, thank you
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: so much for answering all of our questions. Man, I
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: really appreciate it.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: No, it's my pleasure. Was very happy to come on
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: and is a great time for you.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Well, if you didn't know anything about three sixty video before,
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: you definitely know something about it now. Josh was amazing,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: and thank you Josh so much for dropping some major
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: knowledge bombs on us about shooting three sixties. I think
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: it's honestly a really interesting tool to tell stories in
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: a unique way. I don't think again, like I said before,
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: it's going to replace cinema as we know it, but
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: it is definitely not a fad like smell division or
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: something like that. I do think it's going to be
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: around for a while and there is some definitely some
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: potential for filmmakers to go out there and make a living,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: make money, do projects with it. So definitely check it
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: out again if you guys are really interested in three
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: sixty video, Josh's course is really great. I did take it.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: It's pretty awesome to tell you the truth, and I
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: learned a lot. So if you're into three sixty video,
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: definitely check it out. I'll put a link and for
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: everything we talked about in the show notes at Bulletproofscreenwriting,
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: dot TV, Forward Slash four zero five. Thank you so
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: much for listening. Guys, as always, keep on writing no
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: matter what. I'll talk to you soon.
• 54:26
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