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#319 - For Azeroth!: “Slotting into Season 2” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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So people are talking about like what kind of playable races that
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we're going to get and they're like, OK, so like we got the
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earth in. Is this going to be where every
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single thing that we came across is going to be player playable
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races? We got the ears for the for the
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humans can now have elf ears and so forth.
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And people are wondering when we're going to get the here and
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there. And so this person says, I don't
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think that they should wait too long to add Orinia and her
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people as an allied race. If they wait too long to release
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them, Blizzard is going to hear a Heron air fill.
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I got to go, I got to, I got to go.
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I forgot I had something, something I had to do.
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I can't remember what it was not not be here mostly for.
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The Forsaken. For Lauderon for.
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The Karen Tour for Pandaria for Calendar.
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To the burning region for Gilnaeus, but has not died for
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the Lich King for the. Sindora for the alliance.
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For the horn for Azeroth. Welcome to For Azeroth.
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I am one of your hosts, The Truth in Many, and I am joined
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of course, by the Triumphant joining me from the US of A, it
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is Lex Rance. Hello Lex, how is your week in
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World of Warcraft going? It's going well, Manny.
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I got myself in some delves, although I did, I spent so much
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time trying to get my keys because I'm like, I need to get
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my bountiful coffer so I can do my bountiful delves and I can
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get my eights. And then I went in the first
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Delve and I forgot that it was a new season and so it started to
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be in Tier 4 and I was like, all right, I got to grind up.
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That's exciting. But it was fun and I got myself
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back running around killing things, you know, human all
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around, getting my bountiful coffers and I'm bopping.
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Nice, nice. OK.
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And Sean, yo, Season 2 has begun.
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What I, I mean, I am assuming that you've locked in.
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How has the World of Warcraft like, I guess this is kind of
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the initial story, but how's the World of Warcraft been treating
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you? What has Season 2, at least
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these first two days, been for in the world of Sean?
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We got we went eight of eight normal on Tuesday.
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By the time listeners are hearing this I'll have KSM and
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basically just grinding dungeons till my eyes bleed.
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Right now I haven't even done the story quests because there's
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no power tied to it. I haven't done the story quest
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but we are blasting. Keys are feeling really good
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this season. My pattern currently is like 2
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chest to six, deplete an 8, maybe time A7 or deplete A7 and
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then two just a six and then rinse and repeat.
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I've had as a recording. I've had six Priory of the
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sacred flames. We Mike, He was the one we chose
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to push it. It has been.
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It has been a six Priory once and A7 Priory five times.
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Every time we get it's so wild. Every time I I deplete Nate I
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get A7 Priory. I am really good at that dungeon
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right now. Sean, I, I hate, I hate to
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interrupt the flow, but just because I'd want something to do
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this for somebody to do this for me.
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You did see the shadow just pulled something off of your.
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Counter. I'll be right back.
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Manny, how's your week been? OK, I'll, I'll talk a little bit
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about my week. So I, I guess I'm more in the
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Lex camp of things. I mean, I did the storyline and
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everything and then I went into Dells and yes, it's a new season
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going to start up Dells from the, from the get go.
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And so like I, I went through and I grinded all the way up and
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then so now I'm doing the bountiful elevens because I want
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to try and get that stuff done. And then I also tried the
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underpin boss, the lower level, not the the higher level.
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I'm glad I'm doing it early in the season because now it's an
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actual challenge and this is fun.
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This is like the OK. I I don't quite have enough
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damage to like burst that shield as fast as I want.
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The bombs. I think the bombs are the most
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annoying thing. If you guys recall the mother
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lode first boss where it drops those bomb footballs and you
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have to like kick those back into to the boss.
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This is annoying because the boss will like run to me stack
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on top of the the bombs and so I can't kick the bombs as easily.
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It's really annoying. So like I'm just trying to do
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what I can. I haven't, I have not beat it
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yet as of this recording. I'll probably not do it by the
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time people are listening to this because I'm back in the
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editor seat. So I'll, I'll try and push this
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through quickly. I haven't started Mythic plus.
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I actually found now a start of a static group.
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So we start running on Sundays and I'll be doing keys.
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I did like 1 mythic 0 to do that quest.
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That's like, oh, please complete the new dungeon.
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So that I put I did the dungeon. I haven't done any Mythic plus.
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I will I will push through with that.
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But yeah, it's mostly being just trying to go through.
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So yes, we had our first night of raid.
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We ended up starting late because some people had to work
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late. We didn't have everybody for
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this week. We got to the 7th boss.
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The mugsy got a few attempts on on that and hopefully we will
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clean that up before the end of the week and get some pushes
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into Heroic. I am really loving this raid
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thus far, but I know different people have different raid
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nights. So Lex, I believe you raid
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Thursdays. I do raid Thursdays so I'm very,
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very excited and I'm trying to pull out who my blind bosses are
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so I can tell you guys who not to tell me about.
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Not that we not that we discuss Strat usually, but just in case
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somebody was thinking about discussing Strat you can't tell
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me about. Oh Lord wow.
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We're not good at making our announcements clear.
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Have you jumped in? Have you jumped into LFR at all?
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No, I all I have done is some delves and a little bit of story
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and some jobs. And I will say I'm starting to
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understand what you guys are saying about undermine feeling
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really overwhelming just because of the number of things to do.
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And like I always have. I, I'm sure there's a way to
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turn this off that I'm just too stupid to figure out, But I
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always have that dumb little green arrow over my head because
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I was like doing a job and I'm like, actually, I'm going to go
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do something else. I don't want to actually do 10
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jobs in a row. I have other things to do with
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my life. And then everywhere I go, it's
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like big green arrow, big green arrow.
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And I'm like I don't want to do. Yeah, you could turn, you could
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turn that off by. You could turn it off by just
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hitting five. Are you serious?
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It's on your. It's on your.
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Yeah. So like 5?
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5. No, no, no.
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So when you are in the car, in your drive vehicle, there's the
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remote, there's a remote job thing and that's what's, that's
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what's currently active. You just need to press it again
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while you're in your in your G9 breakneck vehicle to shut it
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off. There's also an item that should
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be in your bags that is the remote job thing and you can use
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that also to turn that. Off Oh, is that why my bags are
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always full? Because I have this one remote
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job thing and that's taking up the one slot in my bag that I'd
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expect to be able to use for like Crest items.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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OK. That makes sense.
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I will say I will say honking the horn in my car has not
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gotten old. I am learning to drive it a
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little bit slower so I don't hate it and I'm still.
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But anytime I I hit the gas I'm just running around banging on
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that horn and I'm sure that everyone around me hates me but
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I'm having the time of my life. I had a slight change of heart
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on the car. I don't I switched to the
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engine. That's just a picture of a
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bouquet of flowers. I assume it's like stop a smell
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of flowers mode and it's considerably slower top speed
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but it has made me not hate the car so I still most of the time
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just regular ground mount because it's key bound to my my
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mount button and the car isn't too campy.
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But yeah, I still find the zone really sort of overwhelming.
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Have you tried hitting the horn repeatedly when you drive the
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car? I have not.
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I have not tried hitting the horn getting together.
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Sean, just like one feature of the car that's objectively
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incredible and it's the fact that you could just slam on the
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damn board and I'm sure that'll be less over stimulating, right?
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Because what you're thinking while you're driving around this
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like really overwhelming and over stimulating area that
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you're telling me is very upsetting and and it's hard to
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feel like you can focus on anything is what I really need
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is some more noise. Yeah, yeah.
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OK. What I need to do is amp that
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volume. By the way, I have learned to
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love the car. Now that I have learned the
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drift, it's I I'm just running around the city just being like
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we drift everywhere. I still need to make that we
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core. That said, we have a lot that
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we're going to get more impressions of as we go through
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the season of the raids of the Delves and everything, and we'll
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get more into those. But like as I said, some of us
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haven't even had a chance to step into the raid yet.
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This is very early. So I'd like to shift the
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conversation a bit to our first bit of news.
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And do we have a world first Galliwick's kill?
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Wait, no, that's not right, Sean.
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Sean, do you want to tell us what in the world is happening?
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Yeah, so today as of recording, so Wednesday, the Silver Moon
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server, EU Silver Moon has had haven't been having connection
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issues all day long and nobody really knew why or what was
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going on. But at one point this afternoon
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a server wide message went out that said congratulations to I
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don't have the guild's name in front of me.
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Something something QA squad or something like that.
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Hold on, I can get it. So they were announced as having
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a kill for Chrome King Galliwicks and being the 1st in
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the Hall of Fame and 1st kill worldwide.
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And they were officially at the time of their Galliwicks kill
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they were two of eight mythic. So this Guild whose average item
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level was like 479, they were all freshly boosted characters
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on fresh accounts, apparently went into the raid, killed the
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first boss. However they killed it had some
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exploit that got them to Galliwicks and were able to kill
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him. And obviously Blizzard has come
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up and said hey, this was a they used an internal spell to do
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this as was not intended. We're removing the kill, we're
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taking actions against the osiada yada.
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But here's my question if what they did to kill Galliwicks
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didn't one shot him and instead because sometimes, most times
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when a when a boss has a secret mythic phase, they'll hit a
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health point where it triggers and then it always triggers and
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then they could go on afterwards.
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If this team got in there and did this exploit and were able
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to trigger a secret mythic phase which everybody expects there
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is, they might now have information that would be of
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worth quite amount of money to world first race teams if they
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recorded this. So it's the next point that was
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done, but I wonder if that footage will be bought by any of
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the racing. Teams, that is very scary.
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That is fruit of the tainted tree.
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I'm hoping, you know, on one hand, I've got hope in another
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hand. Would that count?
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It's not how how is it, It's to watch somebody's VOD.
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Well, to watch the VOD of somebody who like.
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Yeah, you're benefiting from an exploit, but you're not
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exploiting yourself. So you yourself are not
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exploiting, you're just benefiting from an exploit.
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It is technically. I'm just watching the video
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we've. Just got the question.
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Technically fine. It's actually fine.
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It is morally bankrupt. And if the team wins by doing
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this and like honestly, they could probably sell it to like
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the top four or five teams running to and sell it over and
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over and over again or be like pay us more or we're going to,
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we're going to sell it to your competitor.
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Like it. It could be a bidding war, could
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be a bunch of things if this exists and.
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I think if it does exist Blizzard should just release a
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video themselves. Just be like, oh you want to get
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money off your exploit? They wouldn't know.
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They wouldn't know. Why would why would they tell
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Blizzard that they're trying to do this profiteering?
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Well, first of all, don't most of the like like Max for
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example, is pretty like gets a lot of benefit from Blizzard
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right? Am I tripping out not benefits
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That sounds wrong but like he's clearly.
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Connected. There's goodwill.
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There's goodwill between him and Blizzard.
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So there there would be an inherent benefit of those teams
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to report bad behavior to Blizzard because like the other
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thing is they could, you know, it, It's it's if you're not.
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I mean, honestly, I would feel skeezy if I learned that team
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won because they bought a video from somebody who didn't
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exploit. I don't know, maybe I'm a baby.
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How is that different from watching video of your
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competitor who's playing ahead of you?
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Because then everyone has. I think everyone should have
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access to the same like either people should earn information
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themselves or they should have. Everyone should have access to
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the same information. So if your competitors playing
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that game, then they inherently have access to the same
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information that you have because you're watching them.
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If you get your foot in the door first, you have access that
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information because you earned it.
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If you spend money to get information from somebody who is
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only giving that information to certain people, and who got that
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information through an exploit, not through earning it, that
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feels skeevy. Well, yeah, it's skeevy, but
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like, let me just say this. Say this 2 two points to this
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one is that teams go dark and race the world first all the
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time to deny information to their competitors.
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So they're totally fine. They aren't black boxing
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information. Yeah, that's totally OK, right?
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They aren't. They are not through their own
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work, but continue. Two, this very tier, multiple
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people found an exploit to get into the renowned track and push
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that this this tier, which was clearly the next point.
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So they're not above using exploits directly those two
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together, right? As long as they field they OK.
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It wasn't, but like it was unintended bug.
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I apologize. Not a direct exploit.
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They did it and they the people who found it reported it right
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away and Blizzard reset it. Like it wasn't like they were
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trying to hide it. They reported to Blizzard.
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Hey this is you can if you go into the raid early you could
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talk to this guy. I will say I think the bigger
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and maybe I'm maybe I'm looking for problems.
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I think that there's something to be said though that it feels
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like this patch has been messier than like this bugs at the
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beginning of a patch, but I feel like this patch has been messier
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than most patches. Am I making that up?
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Wasn't there like a big one in? There was. 1.
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There, Yeah, there was one patch in in recent times that launched
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and you couldn't do Mythic Plus at all.
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They had to turn Mythic Plus off.
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So it's I, I, I every patch that comes out, somebody makes a
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tweet that says this is the buggiest patch we've had ever,
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because recency bias, that's how we feel.
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And every time that tweet comes out lo fi banshee on Twitter
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posts a response with like a list of other patches that were
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recent that were completely worse.
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It's like in this patch you couldn't upgrade any gear for
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two weeks. In this patch, you couldn't do
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anything plus for three. That's why.
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So it is subjective. I I agree it does feel actually
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other than the latency, I haven't I haven't really noticed
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any issues myself. But I know people have said
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there are issues. But again, all my time is spent
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in dungeons. So no, but he, so here's my,
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here's my, my, I don't want to say rebuttal.
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It's not a rebuttal. But here's here's where my head
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is. These teams are companies.
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They're organizations who make money and they make more money
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when they win. Do they not have a
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responsibility to themselves and the players to do everything
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they can to make sure they win? And if not necessarily
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everything they can to make sure they win?
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You have to assume your competitors are going to do this
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too. So now you're going in and
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you're, if you decide not to pursue getting this, this
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footage, you're actively saying I'm OK if the other team has an
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advantage over me because I would expect that the other team
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is going to do it because I would do anything to win.
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So if I was in their position. First of all, can I just say if
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you do go into that with the mindset of my, the other team
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has an advantage and I'm just going to tolerate it because I'm
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a more honest player. Boss shit.
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Sorry, Manny, but I mean first, like I, I, I guess I would argue
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that when it comes to competitive games, not just
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competitive gaming, but competitive games in general, I
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think that the obligation is not to attempt to win by any means
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necessary. It's to have an in like to to
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present to the audience watching an interesting and exciting and
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honest game, right? If, if the the goal was to win
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by any means necessary, then every team should be looking for
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opportunities to cheat at every time, right?
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If that's the the ultimate moral goal of a team engaging in a
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sport is to win. I and I think that we all kind
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of agree. That's not, and I, I, I guess
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it's fuzzy because like I, I hear you that like what's the
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rule that's being broken? And that's why I think the
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Blizzard knows the back door that these people went in.
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And they probably like if, if, if they did find like, I, I
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can't imagine that nobody was recording that a video of that
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even just for their own funsies, right?
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So I think that if Blizzard knows that based on the back
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door that they went in, there is likely a VOD of the secret
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mythic phase. I think they should release it.
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I think Blizzard should release it.
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I think that like not like the step by step how to do it, but
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I'm sure that there's a Blizzard employee who did testing who has
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video of the secret mythic phase put it.
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Up I I suspect I mean like in terms of what Blizzard can do
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yes like these these big guilds, these these orgs have
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connections with Blizzard. It would be fine for Blizzard to
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be like we know a video is floating out out there.
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We're giving you all just like a quick video that of when we were
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testing it so that they have saying you don't, you don't have
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to buy it just to cut the the seller off at the the knees.
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Yes, right, and to like give some level playing field to the
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to the race in general. But I would hand that video out
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behind closed doors and I would be handing it out to like the
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teams that are like, you know, the top five teams when the
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first team reaches there, right? Be like, Hey, guys, just so you
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know, once once the first team reaches there, we're going to
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give you this video, right, and give and let the top five teams
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know beyond the top five teams. I don't think anybody else is
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going to care to buy that video because they will see the other
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team streaming it. So they don't need they don't
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need it and they're not going to catch up anyways.
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And I think that's how you you limit the information because
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some people don't want to see the hidden, the hidden phase
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before before getting there. But like the more the most
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competitive teams. Sure.
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All right, you know what? Fortunately this is how we're
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going to do it. But like, these are new accounts
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that were in Grays that was like a four man.
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It wasn't even a full raid team. It was a four man team in Grays
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that busted like wall hack to get through there because they
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only killed 2 bosses out of the 8 bosses.
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So they didn't work their way through it, right?
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So like. What footage they provide is
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going to be incredibly limited. Right?
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Like they would have gotten squashed as soon as they tried
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to tank. Yeah, that that's also kind of
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why I, I think that a lot of this depends on what Blizzard
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knows they actually did to exploit their way in.
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Because I like even even if you only have like the last 30
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seconds of a kill, a myth like a, a heroic boss is difficult to
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like get that final, you know, push done right.
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So I, I do kind of think they've probably exploited it to death.
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Like I, I think that it probably wasn't like you type in the
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number and you go in and it's like, like I, I, I think they
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just. Yeah, no, they definitely, it
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was definitely exploited. They used an internal spell.
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Blizzard released a blue post on it.
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They they were using an internal spell to to to kill these
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bosses. But when bosses have a mythic
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phase, like you'll see the start of that phase it it would get to
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it and then stop, right? It it hard, hard triggers it,
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like with gold Diane or with the jailer.
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You can't one shot those bosses because it triggers their mythic
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phase no matter what. Gotcha.
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I don't know how you you wouldn't be able to see the
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mythic phase play out like as if you were a team pulling it.
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But any information you can get is is good information, right?
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Yeah. That's why I would say like it's
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limited the information they can give because like and they use a
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command. The let's say the mythic phase
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starts at 20%. If the boss doesn't drop to 0,
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the boss hits that 20 wall. It hard stops for a second, it
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jumps into the phase and then they they would have to then use
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the ability again because again, fresh, fresh Max level
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characters in greys. They're going to start getting
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one shot. You're barely going to see
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anything and then still secure that kill.
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And they were probably going in to be like, hey, let's do this
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to show that we can not, not to like, try and exploit as much
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money unless they were using multiple commands, including
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like, make all our characters invincible so the boss doesn't
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do damage so that we could sell this.
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But that's a lot more control. And then Blizzard also needs to
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like, he's probably going to have to go and be like, OK, we
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need to change these commands so they can't be be used at this
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level, that sort of stuff to like lock this stuff down.
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Because also selling the use of those commands is also a very
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big thing as well. So there's a lot of security and
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how they got this that needs to be looked at.
22:58
Tinfoil hat theory we did. We find out it was one of the
23:01
top three teams that paid these guys to exploit to get the
23:04
footage. Oh, OK.
23:05
I, I will say, I will say on the one hand, I think that the moral
23:10
obligation of team competitive sports is to give a good show to
23:14
the the viewers, right? That's something I will live and
23:18
die on. I will say some Fun Tea is also
23:23
a good show. Like I'm going to say flat out
23:28
that the moral imperative of these organizations doesn't
23:33
exist because they are these big orgs.
23:38
They are not the grassroots teams that they used to be.
23:41
They are, they are international orgs that are running multiple
23:48
games with multiple teams. And so like their priority is to
23:57
make capital their their priority beyond that is to get
24:01
first place because that serves their primary capital, which is
24:06
their primary goal, which is to get capital.
24:08
So like, it's not just that they have the dilemma where that Sean
24:15
pointed out where it's like, hey, if we don't take this
24:17
advantage, somebody else is going to.
24:19
And if two teams do, we can't be like, hey, we're the 1st place
24:25
Moral Guild, but we're 4th overall.
24:27
Like it's just it doesn't sell, right?
24:29
Like. It's just sponsors don't care.
24:31
Can I, can I sell, do a quick little hot take That's I'm sure
24:35
you guys are gonna just absolutely demolish within 3
24:38
seconds of it coming out of my mouth.
24:41
If you've already defeated yourself, go ahead.
24:42
I'm so excited. I think that given that E sports
24:46
and I also, by the way, before anyone says that I have read
24:49
plain ice, I know that this is kind of attempted a little bit.
24:51
I get it, I get it, but because E sports are at this point an
24:55
actual sport, right, A a professional sport to the degree
25:00
that it is, I think that the race world first should have
25:04
some degree of the protections that at least American sports
25:07
have. I know that the British are
25:09
going to be like you guys do what, but where teams have a
25:12
certain amount of money and they're capped with that amount
25:14
of money that they can use to pay for for different players.
25:19
There's things like drafts where people are getting, you know,
25:21
traded between teams, especially since in this case, it wouldn't
25:24
be as harmful as like, you know, or not harmful, but like as
25:28
disruptive as a draft in physical sports where you have
25:31
to physically move to your new city since it's all video games
25:36
and make it so that teams that are competing for these, you
25:41
know, the race world first or other things like that have
25:45
equalizing factors. Partially because Oh my God, I
25:49
am so sick. I am so sick of the names liquid
25:53
and echo. If, if, if nobody else can even
25:55
actively realistically compete, Like if everyone else is
25:59
meaningful for the first like 2 rounds and then immediately
26:01
wipes out. It's not a sport, It's a, it's a
26:04
reality show kind of right. Like, come on, give me actual
26:08
competition. Give me like Genuine, you know,
26:10
Oh, we don't know who's gonna like, let me root for another
26:13
team and have that not be like, genuinely just ridiculously
26:17
stupid, right? Make it an actual sport with
26:20
actual team dynamics that make it so that people who are not
26:24
one of the two top teams have an actual shot of winning
26:27
sometimes. The only way that can happen,
26:30
and it can happen, but the only way that can happen is for
26:34
Blizzard to internalize the race to World.
26:36
First you need an overarching body and then yes, Echo can be
26:41
in there and and Liquid can be in there and that can happen.
26:45
But like that doesn't work most of the time.
26:48
The Overwatch League is a very prime example of Blizzard trying
26:52
to do something like that and it not working.
26:55
They had seeded teams in a bunch of cities and you had like the
26:59
fireflies and like whatever team in your local city and they
27:04
tried to make it the same way and there wasn't enough return
27:09
on investment for them to like support that.
27:12
Like it has to be these outside orgs that are playing across
27:15
multiple games. And in that, in that scenario,
27:19
yeah, they will drop teams and they will drop entire games
27:24
because they're like, yeah, we don't get the the return
27:27
investment. So it's either Microsoft and
27:30
Blizzard by proxy putting up a lot of cash to keep four teams
27:34
afloat, or the teams will continue to cannibalize
27:38
themselves. Like like over the course of
27:40
World of Warcraft, these teams have cannibalized themselves,
27:43
getting the best players to to centralized until we've reached
27:47
the point where it is basically one major team in each region
27:53
and that's it. Yeah, but wouldn't it be fun?
27:58
I mean, technically it wouldn't have to be Blizzard.
28:00
The teams could, if they decided to give me a better show, they
28:03
could. And I, I, you could, I, I, it
28:05
probably wouldn't actually work, but I could try very hard to
28:07
make a very good financial argument for why the teams would
28:11
benefit. Because, you know, if there's
28:12
actual, the more competition there is, the more sponsors you
28:14
can get, the more people are actually going to want to tune
28:16
in, the more interesting it is to watch.
28:17
So hypothetically, you could say that, you know, these teams
28:20
could go together and decide within themselves to make an
28:23
organizing body and it would be so much more fun to watch.
28:27
I, I would have a side episode about this cause like, there's,
28:30
there's a lot in there, but I, I do want to give Sean the final
28:33
word. You and I have been going back
28:34
and forth on this. Sean, what, what do you got to
28:36
say on this? I agree.
28:37
Like it would be awesome if there was like a league and
28:40
teams and drafts. And the biggest hurdle is there
28:44
is very little money in Warcraft E sports, whether that be NBITGP
28:51
or AWC or the race world first in which there's so little that
28:55
there's only really two teams that could be supported by it.
28:58
Like BD, there was a 13 BDG or well three teams of include
29:01
method. We had four teams at one point.
29:03
But BDG I'm pretty sure lost all of their backing because there's
29:08
so little money to be made in sponsoring A-Team.
29:12
That's not first. So then nobody puts money into
29:16
it. For us to have a league, there
29:17
would have to be an overarching source of income.
29:19
Like the NFL has owners. It's not the the league itself
29:23
is owned by the owners of the teams.
29:26
So we would need to have people of massive wealth own these orgs
29:31
and then make a league from it and then generate rules based on
29:34
that. And well, I think it would be
29:35
great. I think most of the people in
29:37
these orgs are not wealthy to the point that they could do
29:40
that. So what ultra wealthy person
29:42
wants to marry me so that we can I can use your money to develop
29:46
this system and also to do good for the world?
29:51
And you can't be evil, which means you probably don't have
29:54
enough money to do this. OK, I ruined.
29:56
It I'm an ultra wealthy. If you are interested in
29:58
marrying Lex though, go ahead and join us in the discord LY
30:03
slash. Fast Discord No and no.
30:06
Let us know, just DM her directly with a picture of your
30:11
bank statement. Oh yeah, do that.
30:13
Include your social, make sure that that's on there somewhere
30:16
and your full number and your PIN.
30:18
And if you're already in the fast discord and ultra wealthy
30:22
then you can DM me. Or Azrov does not condone trophy
30:29
husbands. Sean will not be rented out at
30:31
on any case, nor will Lex let me make sure that I am covering.
30:35
All of that I'm saying I want to get get married to somebody so I
30:39
can use their money to make like other than that, it'll just be,
30:44
you know, I'll get a kind of nightly an OK house.
30:47
I don't even want a nice house. I just want like an average
30:49
house and then spend all of my time developing the E sports.
30:56
OK, so moving from 1 horrific future into another, yes, we've
31:01
got news about 11 point 1.5, which includes the return of
31:07
Horrific Visions. Now, Sean, I know so many times
31:11
you have said Horrific Visions were one of the best, if not the
31:15
best piece of content that World of Warcraft has to offer.
31:18
So I know that this is great for you.
31:21
Tell us what's happening in 11 point 1.5, and of course start
31:25
with that. Heroic Visions.
31:28
This. So the Blizzard released a
31:30
article, a post, a look to the future about what's coming at 11
31:35
point 1.5 and Horrific Visions, which is what I thought I was
31:39
going to be most excited about, ended up being the thing I am
31:41
second most excited about. Horrific Visions are coming
31:44
back. It is back in Stormwater and
31:47
Orgamar now. I get it.
31:48
These types of things are going to reusing stuff.
31:52
We can't be upset that they're using stuff.
31:53
We want content. They're giving us content, even
31:56
if it's an updated to it, it doesn't mention anything about
31:58
the cloak or the part of what made her revisions fun was the
32:02
insanity portion of it, where you needed the power up that
32:05
cloak and in order to stay longer and then the more stuff
32:09
that you stacked on, the harder it became.
32:12
So that's not coming back. But they are bringing the masks
32:15
back, which added difficulty to the horrific visions.
32:19
So I'm excited for that and it says that you can go alone in
32:24
them to experience it or if you need help in a party.
32:28
So alone or in a party or you can also include a companion
32:31
from a construct of Soridormy. So I guess you can bring in a
32:35
brand to help you in these. Maybe this will.
32:39
Shut up and stop dragging ass. Maybe.
32:41
Did you do the opening to the season 2 of delves where you
32:44
play as brand and the only action buttons you have are to
32:47
tell your companion not to stand in the webs?
32:50
No, I. Mean, I love that your companion
32:53
is also Johnny Awesome. He's just.
32:55
Like who? Could we possibly hate more than
32:57
Brand right now? Johnny Awesome.
33:00
But something that is surprising to me is that the Herded Fisher
33:04
actually going to drop gear up to heroic difficulty.
33:08
But I want to be super clear for everybody.
33:11
It's coming out with 11 point 1.5.
33:14
This is a catch up mechanic so please don't expect to get some
33:19
deep lore cuts out of Stormwind and Orgermar that you know
33:23
unveiling some secret of bonus off.
33:25
It's a it's a .5 patch with ketchup mechanic gear.
33:30
Please please lore fans. Except that this exists.
33:36
I'm going to have a very. I think I'm going to put out
33:40
some form of long form COM content that is about story.
33:45
But separate from this, I like that they're adding in
33:48
additional mass. I like that you can gain
33:53
cosmetics from the past as well as new cosmetics.
33:57
And like with the with the mass, like remember, you could like
34:00
for those who don't remember, rather you got to the highest
34:04
difficulty, you could put on mass to add in these additional
34:07
challenges. And you could put on multiple
34:10
masks. And if you put on all the masks,
34:12
there was an achievement for beating both the storm inversion
34:14
and the orgimar version with all the masks on, because the masks
34:18
added additional, I, I guess affixes.
34:20
They were, they were kind of like proto affixes.
34:24
So new masks or new affixes. And in fact, that means that
34:29
like, hey, maybe you stack them up to like, let's say it's three
34:32
more masks. So you have like 8 masks going
34:34
and you're like, OK, this is this to me means that like,
34:38
yeah, you don't need to necessarily grind your cloak to
34:41
get the additional difficulty. You can just unlock mask and
34:45
then that's the increase in difficulty.
34:47
So this will go to like it's not quite linear increase in
34:52
difficulty because you could wear mask A and mask B, or you
34:57
could wear just mask A or just mask B or mask A and C and so
35:01
forth. So like there's permutations of
35:03
that. And of course, like some guide
35:05
writers going to be like, well, this is the hardest one and this
35:08
is the easiest one. And these are with everything in
35:10
between. But like we'll leave that for
35:12
some other content created to create the tier list.
35:14
I do think that this will be great to like give that extra.
35:17
Difficulty. They do mention that sanity that
35:19
you're like. The sanity is still a thing you
35:21
have to balance. Yeah, so started as like as if
35:24
you had a Max cloak. So you have like that is your
35:27
base point or whatever their base point is.
35:29
You're not just you're not going to.
35:31
I think one of the reasons that people originally disliked this
35:37
was. Because they're bad.
35:40
No, because it was a required grind.
35:44
That was a chore that you had to do in order to get into the raid
35:48
and so like it as its own play loop, I think is a great play
35:53
loop. It was so much fun and if you
35:56
enjoyed that, it wasn't really a chore.
35:58
But for the people who just wanted to raid or had limited
36:01
time, this was a dish. This was like Tor gas, Tor Gas.
36:06
I loved when you just did it for the fun.
36:09
I loved how it ended up when I never had to actually go there.
36:12
I was just doing it to like get the cosmetics and stuff.
36:15
I hated it when it was like this weekly.
36:17
OK, I have to push further. I have to push further.
36:20
And I think that's what the same thing that happened with
36:24
Visions. It was because it was so much
36:26
part of that system that people didn't like it.
36:29
And I'm really glad to see it come back.
36:31
But Lex, did you play a lot during Cataclysm or not?
36:35
Cataclysm, Sorry, I apologize a lot.
36:38
When did this come out? BFA.
36:40
Yeah, I did. I don't.
36:43
I remember doing horrific visions.
36:46
I think for me, it really was kind of a like required chore.
36:50
And I think that that was kind of when I was hitting a bit of a
36:52
raid logging point. So I'm excited to get a chance
36:55
to because now that I've heard Sean talk endlessly about how
36:58
lovely and perfect horrific visions are, I'm excited to get
37:01
a chance to try them again and see how you know and, and also
37:05
get to have fun. And I will say I do really like
37:07
solo content. I'm finding, I'm also finding
37:11
that it's a great thing to do if you work from home because you
37:14
can just, you know, pop into a little little thing.
37:16
Not that I'd ever do that, boss. Don't worry about it.
37:18
I've never committed time. Alex's boss, if you're
37:21
listening, I've never seen her online on bnet during working
37:24
hours, Yeah. Never.
37:25
I would never do that. I would never do that.
37:27
Not on Wow. Mostly, it's a rumble.
37:29
But if you have access to any footage of the Galliwick's
37:31
mythic, I could potentially provide logs of Lexus being at
37:35
usage through the working day. You can reach me at bit dot
37:39
Hawaii slash fast Discord. Well, Manny, see, The thing is
37:42
that now now we all know that everyone's a liar because,
37:45
Manny, I haven't played Rumble in, like, months.
37:49
Oh, wow. OK, yeah.
37:51
I mean, it's ruined. There you go.
37:53
But you're you're looking forward to this.
37:56
I mean that you're going to be getting old cosmetics along with
37:59
the new cosmetics if you're you were really just doing it to
38:02
power up your cloak. Yeah, I'm very excited, although
38:07
I'm also really excited to hear what Sean's most exciting thing
38:10
was. OK.
38:12
Was actually. There's actually.
38:14
Three things in this list that I was excited about.
38:16
The first one, so first thing I'll just say there's a new
38:20
scenario coming. You get a new faction, you're
38:22
going to do some fighting and get some trans mug great helping
38:26
the Rathi. Not excited about that one.
38:28
Number two was terrific Visions. We talked about that.
38:30
I'll tell you what the third thing I'm excited about is, and
38:33
then I'll tell you the thing I'm most excited about the third.
38:35
UI upgrades. Which I think is neat is the UI
38:37
updates and but the UI updates specifically is that they're
38:41
introducing a cooldown manager. Everybody and their dog uses
38:45
weak or A packs right now to track their cooldowns in the
38:47
center of their bar. Or you use what was it called?
38:49
Tap a talk Build-a-bear. Kelly, tell me.
38:54
When tell me when you tell me when people use tell me when to
38:59
make their own Blizzard, it sounds like is implementing
39:02
their own way to make a week or a package to track your
39:06
cooldowns and you can personalize with the other mode.
39:09
I'm excited with that. Listen, I'm all for if Blizzard
39:13
can get to the I just if you're listening Fasdev my 1:00 ask the
39:17
biggest, not the biggest, because there's lots of things
39:18
that need to be added to make the UI, the Blizzard UI better
39:22
than add-ons do not require add-ons, but one of the number
39:27
one things I have to ask is let me turn my nameplate frames off.
39:32
I just wanted to be a bar with health and a name.
39:35
I don't need the picture. I don't need the bubble and I
39:37
understand it's gorgeous. Near king did a great job with
39:39
it. A lot of people like that.
39:40
I don't need that. Let me turn that off.
39:43
Let me just I wrote a small add on myself that that deleted that
39:47
portion in the war within beta anyway, it doesn't matter.
39:51
Dragonfly beta not important. What is important?
39:53
Fasdev, if you're listening, the one thing that would make the UI
39:55
better for me would be if I was looking at it as a murloc.
40:01
Yeah, yeah. Or if you were exceptionally
40:04
wealthy and you had some altruism in you, you wanted to
40:08
that. Sure.
40:09
That would also make it better. Yeah, I think that the.
40:13
Name Lex and Fasdev, name a better name, a better duo.
40:16
I will the dancerley duo which is my number one favorite thing
40:20
coming in 11.5. All the rush.
40:24
Yeah, all the PV players who were like, I don't want to have
40:27
to plunder Storm. PDP is not for me.
40:30
And I would admit I was one of those people at first.
40:35
Now there's a thing that PvP players can say.
40:37
I don't want to have the Pve. It's boss rush for parties of
40:42
people and for cosmetics. That's it.
40:46
Give me that transmog. I can't wait.
40:48
I hope it's fun. You know what this?
40:50
Is that's what I'm most excited about.
40:52
It's a boss rush to actually do those, yeah.
40:53
But you know what this is? It's 11 point 1.5.
40:56
Appeasement. It is the very end, like the the
41:02
death kneel of the Brawlers Guild.
41:06
This is the, I guess, spiritual successor to the Brawlers Guild
41:10
like we used to. Like all they needed, really
41:13
needed to do was bring the Ballers Guild back and add
41:17
additional cosmetics to it. But they've reinvented it as
41:20
this dastardly duo thing, and they're bringing.
41:22
Back Guild was solo wasn't it? Yeah, but like you could, you
41:26
could easily add on to the Brawlers Guild, be like, hey,
41:29
we're making it bigger and better.
41:30
Then we gotta have. Then we're gonna have the
41:31
Brawlers Guild traditional screaming at it.
41:33
They're allowing parties in there.
41:36
Yeah. So like both of.
41:37
Them are going to be upset. This is basically like the
41:40
brawlers Guild where it is this is this is a boss they're going
41:44
to probably. I would hope that after 11 point
41:48
1.5, as we move into a new expansion, they refresh the boss
41:53
list and that we can we can do this.
41:57
Do we I, I like it's, it's strange that it's like in
42:03
Dornagal and in the capital cities.
42:05
To me that seems like something that they're doing as a what
42:11
would we call this? A Evergreen sort of function
42:16
where it's not actually in those cities, it just teleports you to
42:20
the arena, whatever. Like the the NPC that's like,
42:23
who do you want to face? And it's like, OK, I want to
42:25
face Arthus. And then you get teleported to.
42:28
I I think it's in the capital cities in Dornegal because it's
42:32
going to be scaled and level won't matter and gear won't
42:36
matter is my guess. And that's why they're putting
42:40
them there. OK.
42:42
I think that obviously it's not going to just be scaled.
42:46
They're going to have to make mechanical changes.
42:48
Some of these bosses will be like, tank needs to run out and
42:52
you need two people to soak this and it's like, oh, we've only
42:54
got a team of two, so like, obviously.
42:57
They'll change all that, but I just I don't think I don't think
42:59
this is going to be one of those things where you just over gear
43:02
it and and dummy it like the Legion mage tower that everybody
43:05
likes to say was so hard. That wasn't after like a month.
43:09
I hear you. I see you people.
43:10
I'm watching you. Oh, I got all the mage tower
43:13
skins. Oh congratulations, you were 45
43:15
eye levels above what you should have been.
43:16
I'm happy for you. Enjoy your skins.
43:18
Give them to me on the vendor please.
43:21
But I think this is going to be like time walking where they're
43:23
going to, they're going to scale it like probably to the players
43:25
level. Yeah, like I.
43:29
Made both my Co host upset. They're both Legion mage
43:32
walking. Mage tower never touched the
43:35
mate. I've literally never.
43:37
I couldn't tell you where the mage tower is.
43:40
I don't even know if it's a physical location.
43:43
It's in Legion. OK.
43:45
I think I know it's in, I know it's in Legion, but I don't know
43:48
where it is in Legion. I don't know how I'd get to it.
43:51
I don't know how you trigger it. I don't know how you get things
43:53
to start. I at this point mage tower is
43:55
just this like nebulous little thing that like everyone's like,
43:59
oh, the mage tower. You guys remember the Beige
44:01
tower? And I'm like, didn't I mean I
44:04
know it exists. Don't believe her lies, Big mage
44:07
tower got to her. Yeah, yeah, she's she's been
44:10
bought out by the Karen tour. Anyways, I think that like the
44:16
mage tower had its place. I like that this is is there.
44:19
I'm glad to see this as like a way that you can scale with with
44:25
a group where it's like, yeah, I just want to go with my with my
44:28
friend or like, let's get it grouped together.
44:30
Like Oh my goodness guys, we completed case KSH it's day
44:37
three like what else are we going to do?
44:39
And then you start doing it. You start doing this like more
44:41
contents. Always good people can enjoy
44:45
this. I'm hoping that this scales well
44:51
because it because it shifts between group sizes.
44:55
That means that this is now in the same realm as Dells to me,
44:59
which, going back to what we were saying at the beginning,
45:03
Delves this season are way easier.
45:08
Like I spent a day and I'm like gone through elevens.
45:12
Yes, I'm starting at a much higher relative item level than
45:15
I was at the beginning of last season.
45:17
So please do not make that an apples to apples comparison, but
45:20
like to do a day and already be going up against like the the
45:25
end and boss. And I know some people who have
45:27
like bought it on day day one that are, that are, aren't like
45:35
the Super high skilled players, like those guys are all race the
45:39
world first or whatever right now.
45:42
So it I, I do feel like the delves have sort of lost a bit.
45:47
I do think that like if you put out those rewards, hopefully
45:51
they just have ranks of bosses and certain bosses are going to
45:55
be super challenge mode and like yes, it's got a cool chance mog
45:58
to it, but this will kick your butt and they don't worry about
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that if it is like a little bit more optimal with four players
46:08
than two. I, this is my chronic, this is a
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little bit of a tangential thing, but This is why I was
46:15
always scared Delves were going to fail is because Blizzard is
46:18
scared to make solo content hard.
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And I need them to get over it. I need them to make challenging
46:24
solo content, and I need that to be like, I need them to
46:27
understand that that is OK because otherwise we will never
46:31
have a realistic solo track. Yeah.
46:36
So I feel you. And I, I, I, I will say they're
46:39
using the Delve technology a lot.
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They clearly really like the idea of letting you have a
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companion with you. And they clearly really like the
46:46
idea of letting you do things solo and pick things to make it
46:50
possible to do things solo. And I am very excited about
46:53
that. I just need them to let it be
46:54
hard. Yeah.
46:58
So I'm I'm excited for this boss rush.
47:01
I'm hoping that there's, you know what I would really like
47:06
leaderboards just put leaderboards, put them as like
47:13
you defeated it at X level or you defeated it with like that
47:17
fast. If like it only capped at a
47:19
certain level, like let's say there's like silver, rather like
47:24
gold, silver, bronze rankings for all these bosses.
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And then at the gold it starts like being like time defeated,
47:32
how quickly you defeated it. I would love that.
47:34
Then you don't have to like have it scale indefinitely to make
47:37
it, to make it constant challenging content.
47:42
You can have the community start challenging themselves and
47:46
seeing like how they can do. And I'm like, oh man, warrior's
47:48
the best way to do this, this, this fight that fast and so
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forth. Like I, I think that that might
47:54
be the way to sort of make this challenging while still making
47:59
it accessible for somebody who might not be able to like take a
48:02
hit as much as like a protection warrior, right?
48:05
Like that might be the way to go.
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I'm always down for leaderboards.
48:10
I'm never. Going to be honest guys, they
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mentioned party in every situation.
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They don't ever mention any kind of flex sizing.
48:17
I think this is going to be 5 man content.
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Yeah, but then Manny mentioned Delves and that meant that I
48:21
wanted to talk about Delves instead of talking about the
48:24
things that we're talking about because I, I become
48:26
uncomfortable when it is not about me.
48:28
And so I just changed the the subject entirely and you know,
48:34
what are you gonna do? But but Sean is right, it is you
48:37
and your party or the companions.
48:41
And I guess the companions would be more akin to follower
48:46
dungeons then. Does this say companions?
48:51
I thought, yeah, you could do it with a companion here.
48:53
No, that was, that's the horrific vision is with a
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companion. This is just party.
48:58
This is going to be a five Man Group I think.
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OK. Lex, I hear you that you want
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Dells to be a challenge, and I know that there's a lot of
49:07
people who agree with you. But the community, the vast
49:14
community as a whole, I think, doesn't like when the game is
49:18
too hard for them and they want it just to be easy.
49:21
And then when Blizzard listens and changes it, then they
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complain and say the game's too easy.
49:26
It's almost like I can't be certain, but it's almost like
49:31
there's no winning. That can't be true, Sean,
49:35
because you're telling me that it it would be possible that the
49:39
World of Warcraft player base sometimes just likes to complain
49:43
and is looking for problems. That can't be true.
49:46
They you're telling me. You're telling me that the World
49:49
of Warcraft player base as a whole is not constantly looking
49:53
for ways to be forgiving and kind to the devs, are you?
49:56
Next you're going to tell me that they can't make a social
49:59
media post without everyone flooding it trying to complain
50:02
about there are specific character issues that we all
50:05
know needs to be a bug report and should not go to the social
50:08
media team. I that can't possibly be true.
50:11
Sean, that's insane. That's the craziest thing I've
50:14
ever heard. Now, you're right, Lex, you're
50:16
right. It's me.
50:16
I'm I'm the one who's confused. Just to head off any complaints
50:21
that we might get, let's let's where.
50:24
Can they send those complaints, Manny?
50:25
Let's clear the air. Let's talk about this
50:28
specifically. OK, so the Dashley duos, yes,
50:32
it's a boss rush. You're going to be facing two or
50:36
more bosses at a time to rack up a score.
50:39
So there is a scoring system. OK, We already talked about how
50:45
there are the three hubs, the Stormwind, the Urgamar, the
50:47
Dornigal. It is you and a party.
50:52
So as Sean was saying, it's likely to be 5 man, five man
50:56
content based off of that. It's coming out in a six week
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event, so in the first week you're going to have 4 bosses
51:06
available and then each week after additional bosses will be
51:11
added up into a total of 10 bosses to fight it's.
51:16
So one a week. Yes now if this is going to be
51:24
the trip down memory lane because you are going to be
51:29
dealing with animatronic versions of past bosses, right?
51:37
Which bosses would you guys say are on your like top list, top
51:44
list of definitely going to show up and top list of I really wish
51:48
this would this would be in consideration.
51:52
So for me, because I I'm posing the question, I don't want to, I
51:54
want to give you guys some time to think.
51:57
Definitely going to show up is obviously Arthus.
51:59
Like there's no way they go through this without having
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Arthus. I don't.
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Think it's going to be any raid bosses?
52:04
I think it's going to be dungeon bosses, you think?
52:06
It's going to be all dungeon bosses.
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Yeah, none of the raid bosses are really conducive to fighting
52:10
2 at once, but some dungeon bosses you could.
52:12
Yeah you're right, but like I don't think you could do 2
52:15
dungeon bosses at once and not have to convert them.
52:21
So why aren't you just converting any boss?
52:23
Like I think it's just it's a boss from the past and they give
52:28
it mechanics that make it look like it's that.
52:31
So like yes, it could be from dungeons are typically start
52:35
simpler, so there's that and easier to convert.
52:37
Okay. But I don't I in the sky wish
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list so I won't yuck your Yum. Arthus is on Manny's list.
52:44
I feel like I I don't think this this goes without Arthus,
52:48
probably the 10th boss. It's like a Oh my goodness,
52:51
guys. And plus it's Wow's 30th
52:53
anniversary. This is all in line with that
52:55
going through the past. I suspect it's going to be big,
52:58
big hitters. Obviously for that reason, a
53:04
boss that I think will not show up is Death Wing.
53:07
His fight is just no way you fit that into like anything other
53:11
than the raid, the raid fight. So I'm gonna say Deathwing is
53:15
out unless they do human form Deathwing 'cause they have the
53:20
model that would be and they've used it in avarice, right?
53:25
Could be a thing. All right, that's true.
53:29
John, what are you thinking? I'd like to see Van Cleef.
53:32
Original Edwin Van Cleef would be a fun one to see.
53:37
That's a good fight. And he disappeared and I
53:38
actually, I want to thematically match him up because in his
53:42
fight he vanishes and you have to like sort of find him through
53:46
the fog. I would also like to fight, I
53:48
think it's a bear off or something like that.
53:53
It's the second boss in Skolamance, the one where you
53:57
pull her and then you fight her and then she disappears.
54:00
Spinning thing. Yeah, she's a spinning things.
54:02
I like to fight those two together.
54:06
Thematically, I'd love Van Cleef into Van Cleef, a son and it's a
54:11
brother, father and daughter. So she just and then the
54:14
daughter shows up. It's like what?
54:15
What's your name? Vanessa, Yeah.
54:17
Vanessa Van Cleef, Yeah. And Edwin Van Cleef.
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Yeah. Yeah, I would.
54:20
I would dig that. That would.
54:21
That would be fun. I would like to fight Sean
54:23
because he stole mine. I was this fan Cleef.
54:28
Yeah, that was mine. I was so prepared to make this
54:32
entire argument. I wasn't really.
54:35
I was gonna say I wanted to be Van Cleef from Deadlines.
54:38
Who do I actually want? I don't know.
54:40
We can see Van Cleflex. I can't think of any other
54:43
bosses. I've literally I'm out, I'm
54:46
cooked. There's no other.
54:47
Hogger. I feel like Hogger would be like
54:50
a very good anniversary boss. Like he was around the
54:53
fairgrounds, but you didn't actually do anything with him.
54:57
He was in the stockades when they redid the stockades, so
55:00
they've got all the animations and stuff to do him.
55:03
If we're taking random world bosses that aren't.
55:06
And this is not because I actually want this, this is just
55:08
a nostalgia trip. I want that little guy who walks
55:11
around. Oh God, I can't think of a
55:13
single word to describe the the abomination.
55:16
Oh yeah. Stitches.
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No. Stitches.
55:18
Yes, that one. That one.
55:19
The one who really wanted to have killed me so many times.
55:21
When I would actually. Yeah, right.
55:23
That's good. What's that?
55:24
What's that? Stitches.
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I thought he was next Ramus boss only OK I didn't.
55:28
Know he was. Patchwork is the next Ramus
55:30
boss. Stitches is the one that walks
55:33
the street. If we're getting Arthus he
55:35
should be paired with Illidan cuz this says you fight two at a
55:38
time so when one dies theoretically the next one would
55:42
spawn and come in. So what you could do is you
55:46
could start or maybe you end that way you could build up to.
55:50
So you could do like Lady Vash and Kalethas and one of them
55:52
dies, Iladin joins and when one of them dies, theoretically
55:56
Kalethas would die, but one of them dies, Arthas comes in.
55:59
So if you chained it that way or that's 4 right there.
56:01
So you go Lady Vash, Kalethas to start, one of them dies, Iladin
56:04
comes in, one of them dies, Arthas comes in because Arthas,
56:08
as long as Arthas and Vash aren't together, Arthas and Kale
56:11
fast work because they both had a thing for Jana.
56:14
Arthas and Iladin work because they both fought each other in
56:16
North Rend. Vash and Calf has work because
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they worked with Illidan, Illidan and kill.
56:21
Sorry, that and Vash and Illidan work because they work together.
56:24
So all of those work. You can do that as a combo.
56:26
That's fun. Now I want to think of combos of
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four that you can chain together.
56:29
And then if you continue it from there and to up to 10, you could
56:33
go Arthur, Sylvanus and then you can go Sylvanus and who just
56:39
Savannah match with well, Nathanos, I guess.
56:42
You could do Jane, throw Jane in there.
56:44
She's connected with all of them.
56:45
And she was a raid boss. Jane.
56:47
Yeah. I do kind of want to bring
56:49
Nathanos back just because he the the way that we killed him
56:54
sucked. What are we talking about?
56:56
That man was like a major story beat and then he was just gone
57:01
though. No thank you.
57:03
Bring him back. Let me kill him for real.
57:07
It would be great if the joke is that it's like the actual and
57:11
the Thanos and he's like, and he's just like, oh crap.
57:14
And he like flees and they're like, whoa, wait, what?
57:16
That would be like the little Easter egg.
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But I would love to hear from the FAZ audience.
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Which bosses would you want? Which bosses do you think would
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be amazing in the Dangerous duos?
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Write in or join the FAST discord at Bit dot LY slash Fast
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Discord and let us know. But until next time guys, may
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all your hits be good.