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Keeping Up With the Medici's | the Pazzi Conspiracy · Beheaded

0:04
SPEAKER_03: Hello and welcome to Beheaded.
0:06
SPEAKER_03: This is season three, episode 10.
0:08
SPEAKER_03: I'm Megan Moore.
0:09
SPEAKER_03: And I'm Elizabeth Black.
0:11
SPEAKER_03: And we do not support violence at the Oscars.
0:14
SPEAKER_03: Ever.
0:15
SPEAKER_02: No punches, open-handed slaps.
0:18
SPEAKER_03: But we are all about ready to talk about it.
0:20
SPEAKER_02: But hey, it just happened and we gotta talk about it.
0:24
SPEAKER_02: I feel like everyone's talking about it.
0:26
SPEAKER_02: How can you not?
0:27
SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry.
0:27
SPEAKER_02: What an asshole.
0:28
SPEAKER_02: You're so entitled.
0:29
SPEAKER_02: You just go up and punch someone.
0:31
SPEAKER_03: Slap, excuse me.
0:32
SPEAKER_03: I'm sure everyone is like by the time this episode is released, we're probably all like really tired of talking about it.
0:38
SPEAKER_03: But can we for us it's so fresh?
0:41
SPEAKER_03: This just happened.
0:43
SPEAKER_02: I watched it live.
0:44
SPEAKER_02: I know not everyone did.
0:45
SPEAKER_02: I watched the whole Oscars, including Red Carpet, live.
0:48
SPEAKER_02: And my like when I watched the broadcast, it like froze and the audio was muted.
0:54
SPEAKER_02: So I was like, what is happening with my TV?
0:58
SPEAKER_02: Like I thought it was a joke.
0:59
SPEAKER_02: That's what everyone thought, right?
1:01
SPEAKER_02: Uh it was pretty clear a couple minutes later it was not.
1:04
SPEAKER_02: If you watch the uncensored version, we watched it before this because I told Megan, I was like, Oh yeah, I watched the whole thing.
1:11
SPEAKER_02: I gave her my take, and she's like, But have you seen the uncensored version?
1:14
SPEAKER_02: We watched it together, and that gave me like chills and like just the silence in the room.
1:20
SPEAKER_02: Because at first everyone's laughing, because it's like, oh, they think it's a funny thing, you know, set up, and then it just went quiet once Will Smith was like uncomfortable when he's screaming.
1:30
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, for those who live under a rock or in another country, maybe this isn't like the top of the conversation.
1:37
SPEAKER_03: And it's broadcast all over the world.
1:39
SPEAKER_02: No, I know.
1:39
SPEAKER_03: I feel like this is worldwide news.
1:41
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
1:41
SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah, Will Smith smacked the shit out of Chris Rock.
1:46
SPEAKER_03: And Chris Rock held his ground.
1:48
SPEAKER_03: I was impressed, and that's why people thought that maybe it was staged because he just dealt with it so well.
1:54
SPEAKER_03: He didn't even like touch his face or really flinch.
1:57
SPEAKER_03: I mean, he was clearly done.
1:59
SPEAKER_03: He was uncomfortable afterwards, but as far as the physicalness of it goes, he held it.
2:04
SPEAKER_02: He took a punch from Muhammad Ali, basically.
2:07
SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
2:08
SPEAKER_02: If you remember, Will Smith played Ali in a movie.
2:11
SPEAKER_02: But I'm saying that's the difference in their statures, too.
2:14
SPEAKER_02: Like, Will Smith is someone that can play Muhammad Ali.
2:16
SPEAKER_02: He's that kind of big and intimidating.
2:19
SPEAKER_02: Obviously, he's not super jacked right now, he's older.
2:21
SPEAKER_03: Chris Hawk's a freaking zebra from that Madagascar movie.
2:25
SPEAKER_02: Chris Rock is uh, yeah, yeah, an animated zebra slash what was that movie, head of state where he gets elected like president.
2:32
SPEAKER_02: Like he's just a small, slight comedian, you know?
2:35
SPEAKER_03: I can personally attest to that because I was walking behind Chris Rock once inside of a parking structure.
2:41
SPEAKER_03: Really?
2:42
SPEAKER_03: Where?
2:42
SPEAKER_03: In LA?
2:43
SPEAKER_03: It was at the Taylor Swift concert.
2:45
SPEAKER_03: Oh, he was there, the 1989 concert.
2:49
SPEAKER_03: Circa when did that come out?
2:50
SPEAKER_03: 2014?
2:53
SPEAKER_03: Probably 2014.
2:55
SPEAKER_03: Is he Swifty?
2:56
SPEAKER_03: I think he is.
2:58
SPEAKER_03: He came up on stage during the like ill-fits segment.
3:04
SPEAKER_02: And he had no security, he was just walking through the parking lot.
3:06
SPEAKER_03: It was him, his wife, and like I think his daughter.
3:08
SPEAKER_03: I don't know if he has a he had a kid.
3:10
SPEAKER_03: Probably like a preteen at the time.
3:12
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
3:13
SPEAKER_03: And we were walking in the parking structure, and he parked like VIP somewhere, but like the way that we met up was we were then walking through VIP to get to the front.
3:23
SPEAKER_03: And I was with a friend, my friend Aaron.
3:26
SPEAKER_03: And shout out Aaron.
3:28
SPEAKER_03: Shout out Aaron.
3:29
SPEAKER_03: And she was she's so good at recognizing celebrities.
3:32
SPEAKER_03: Oh, I am so non.
3:34
SPEAKER_03: They could be wearing a hat, a mask, and sunglasses, and she'll know who they are.
3:38
SPEAKER_03: Really?
3:38
SPEAKER_03: And I'm the opposite.
3:39
SPEAKER_03: And I'm I'm always like, that's not them.
3:42
SPEAKER_03: I'm not discreet.
3:43
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
3:43
SPEAKER_03: And she was trying to whisper to me, like, oh, that's Chris Rock.
3:45
SPEAKER_03: And I was like, what?
3:46
SPEAKER_03: And I was like, that's like that's Chris Rock.
3:48
SPEAKER_03: And of course, we're in a parking structure and it just echoes, and he like looked behind.
3:52
SPEAKER_03: And you could tell.
3:53
SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
3:54
SPEAKER_03: And then they kept walking.
3:55
SPEAKER_03: Obviously, they weren't gonna entertain me.
3:57
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'm Chris Rock.
3:58
SPEAKER_03: Welcome.
3:58
SPEAKER_03: That was the extent of my interaction with Chris Rock.
4:01
SPEAKER_03: But he he does seem short.
4:02
SPEAKER_02: I did see him at a comedy show once, obviously his comedy show.
4:07
SPEAKER_02: And I was like third row, so that's pretty close.
4:09
SPEAKER_02: It was close.
4:10
SPEAKER_02: But I could tell, not a very large man, but he handled that like a champ.
4:14
SPEAKER_02: And just the way he spoke after that, you could tell he was like shaken up, but just powered through like a professional.
4:21
SPEAKER_03: And Wilson's kind of an asshole.
4:23
SPEAKER_03: They said Chris Rock's ticket sales for his stand-up went up like 70% that night or something like that.
4:31
SPEAKER_03: I bet.
4:32
SPEAKER_03: Um, I feel like if Chris Rock knew that Jada Pinkett Smith has alopecia, that's kind of crossing the line of making a joke.
4:43
SPEAKER_03: Because like a woman's hair, and also didn't Chris Rock make that whole documentary about um textured hair.
4:51
SPEAKER_03: Oh, I couldn't tell you.
4:52
SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
4:53
SPEAKER_03: I think he I think it's called good hair.
4:55
SPEAKER_03: And it's about like African American hair and like it's a documentary about like African American and their relationship to hair and that's cool.
5:03
SPEAKER_02: I didn't I don't know about that.
5:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't follow Chris super closely, but makes a comment about G.I.
5:08
SPEAKER_03: Jane, which is a badass movie.
5:10
SPEAKER_02: I was gonna say, my whole thing is if someone compared me to G.I.
5:14
SPEAKER_02: Jane, what a huge compliment.
5:16
SPEAKER_02: If someone's like, oh, what are you going for the Demi Moore look from G.I.
5:18
SPEAKER_02: Jane, you'd be like, oh my god, thank you.
5:20
SPEAKER_02: Like, if you've never seen G.I.
5:22
SPEAKER_02: Jane, highly recommend because it is about like Demi Moore, like going into the army or maybe just Marine Corps, whatever it is, but it's she's just like or like navy or something.
5:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think it's the Marine Corps.
5:33
SPEAKER_02: I want to say so because she's just so hardcore in it.
5:35
SPEAKER_02: But obviously they should make a sequel.
5:37
SPEAKER_02: They should make a sequel.
5:38
SPEAKER_02: Jada should be in it.
5:39
SPEAKER_02: Jada should be, like, they're both and like Demi's gorgeous, she's badass, she's like the best one in her class.
5:45
SPEAKER_02: So it's like to me, I've always been like very, I don't know, I love that movie.
5:49
SPEAKER_02: And appreciative, yeah, appreciative.
5:50
SPEAKER_02: And like, I'd be super flattered if someone said something like that to me.
5:53
SPEAKER_02: Obviously, if I'm sensitive about my hair and it's short, yeah, okay.
5:58
SPEAKER_03: But it's crossing the line.
5:59
SPEAKER_03: But it's the Oscars.
6:01
SPEAKER_03: Everyone gets made fun of for everything.
6:02
SPEAKER_03: But who crossed the line more?
6:04
SPEAKER_03: Him making a joke or Will Smith getting on stage and committing an assault on someone on national live TV.
6:11
SPEAKER_03: With no repercussions, just like getting his Oscar.
6:14
SPEAKER_03: Kind of chuckles afterwards.
6:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
6:15
SPEAKER_02: Like goes to the after party with Jada and they're just having the best time.
6:19
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, that man should be like questioned or like taken in.
6:23
SPEAKER_03: Everyone's afraid of him now.
6:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I know.
6:25
SPEAKER_03: You said, yeah, Jimmy Kimmel has a really he did a really good bit right afterwards, the day after.
6:31
SPEAKER_03: Of course, like, how can like us?
6:33
SPEAKER_03: How can you not talk about it?
6:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
6:35
SPEAKER_03: And he has a his favorite line, I think.
6:37
SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna butcher, but something along the lines if he's like, you know, Kanye West was like, look what he did on stage, me being the swifty that I am.
6:45
SPEAKER_03: It's like all the Kanye jokes came up after this.
6:48
SPEAKER_02: I definitely thought about you and Kanye and Taylor right after because I was like, everyone thought whatever Kanye did to Taylor was awful.
6:54
SPEAKER_02: And it was awful, it was mean, mean spirited, but he didn't physically assault her in front of everyone.
7:01
SPEAKER_02: Like, damn.
7:02
SPEAKER_02: That was that was just wild.
7:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
7:05
SPEAKER_03: Anyways, it's gonna be interesting to see how this pans out.
7:08
SPEAKER_03: Like just with Will Smith's career, and people are obviously taking sides.
7:13
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
7:13
SPEAKER_03: I mean, I think most people are on the side of nonviolence, but you know, totally.
7:17
SPEAKER_03: Some people are big Will Smith fans.
7:19
SPEAKER_02: Well, and I mean, if you're Venus and Serena Williams, who like, you know, are in the audience that night and you're watching Will Smith, like, you know, he's kind of representing you and your family and like your movie that you guys signed off on, and now you're here supporting.
7:32
SPEAKER_02: It's such bad taste because it's like, it's not about you, Will, and it's not about you, Jada.
7:37
SPEAKER_02: It's about the fact that you're getting best, you know, actor tonight for a movie that you made about the Williams sisters who are here with their family.
7:45
SPEAKER_02: Like, you're in a way part of their family for that evening, and you're just acting like a crazy person.
7:50
SPEAKER_03: Like a fool.
7:51
SPEAKER_03: Chill, dude.
7:52
SPEAKER_03: I think that's the biggest part about it is nothing else in that night matters.
7:56
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
7:56
SPEAKER_03: Because if you just Google Oscar's 2022, the first thing that comes up is Will Smith.
8:01
SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
8:01
SPEAKER_03: Which is terrible for him, A, because winning best actor is a huge honor.
8:06
SPEAKER_03: And he's never done it before.
8:08
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
8:08
SPEAKER_03: And people aren't gonna remember the night that he won.
8:10
SPEAKER_03: People are gonna be like, oh yeah, he slapped the shit out of Chris Rock and then he won.
8:14
SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
8:15
SPEAKER_03: And not only that, like we were kind of talking, and I know there's been other articles about this, about the successes of women that night and having three all-women hosts and then the deaf community.
8:27
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the deaf community, they had a huge win.
8:29
SPEAKER_03: The first deaf actor won.
8:31
SPEAKER_03: Right.
8:32
SPEAKER_03: So all of that is down the the poop shoot because Will Smith decided to smack Chris Roth.
8:38
SPEAKER_02: Decided to be a little yeah, outside of his boundaries.
8:42
SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, but that was in recent news, so we just thought we had to address that because how can you not?
8:46
SPEAKER_03: It's just like everyone's talking about in every single meme.
8:49
SPEAKER_03: You can't like pull up your phone.
8:51
SPEAKER_03: Actually, I think one of my favorite memes out of all of them was one where it was like, I don't even remember.
8:58
SPEAKER_03: It was like a picture of someone like having a panic attack in the corner, or like, I don't know, it looks like they're not even a panic attack, it looks like they're like decompressing after a really hard fight or something.
9:09
SPEAKER_03: And they're like, after all the Will Smith memes that you've had to see today, like take rest, Commander.
9:15
SPEAKER_03: Like, take something like you deserve a good rest tonight after all the memes you had to look at.
9:21
SPEAKER_02: I feel like I was assaulted all day.
9:24
SPEAKER_03: Oh, geez.
9:25
SPEAKER_02: Well, oh speaking of assaulting my body, yeah.
9:28
SPEAKER_03: How else have you assaulted your body recently?
9:30
SPEAKER_02: Well, I did another marathon in the last two weeks.
9:34
SPEAKER_02: I know, and as you guys know, I mean spring is my marathon season.
9:37
SPEAKER_02: I've talked about this before.
9:38
SPEAKER_02: Um, but I did Atlanta.
9:40
SPEAKER_02: I talked about it on our last episode, and this last one I just did was Asheville, North Carolina.
9:46
SPEAKER_02: Never been there before.
9:48
SPEAKER_02: Um, not super my scene because as you guys know, I love alcohol, but I don't love beer so much, and like Asheville's very much a brewery place, so it's just like all these trendy warehouses and like beer gardens and breweries, and just I just that's not like I don't get excited about beer.
10:08
SPEAKER_02: I know a lot of people love beer, and hey, I love cider.
10:12
SPEAKER_02: But you know, I like wine, I like bourbon, I like whiskey, like I like a lot of hard liquor, a lot of hard liquor.
10:18
SPEAKER_02: No, no, but I'm just but we're fine.
10:21
SPEAKER_02: But I'm fine, we're fine because we're sipping our vodka over here, you know.
10:24
SPEAKER_02: But um, but it was just one of those things where like, eh, it's all right, but I will say the Biltmore estate.
10:31
SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness.
10:33
SPEAKER_02: So if you don't know anything about the Biltmore estate, um, it's basically this huge manor um that's like kind of in the outskirts of Asheville.
10:42
SPEAKER_02: And uh it was built by George Vanderbilt like circa 1880s, um, and he built it just as like a private estate for his family, and it originally was like a hundred thousand acres.
10:52
SPEAKER_02: Now it's reduced to like eight thousand.
10:54
SPEAKER_02: He sold all these, you know, parts of it, and now it's just like a mere 8,000.
10:59
SPEAKER_02: Um, the marathon was actually supposed to be at the Biltmore estate, like on the grounds, due to COVID, of course, because that's still happening.
11:06
SPEAKER_02: Um, they made us go to downtown Asheville.
11:09
SPEAKER_02: Um, so I didn't actually get to run on the property, but I got to.
11:12
SPEAKER_02: What's the difference?
11:13
SPEAKER_02: The difference between Asheville and the Biltmore State?
11:16
SPEAKER_03: No, the difference between running on the course versus walking around on the course leisurely and breathing on everything.
11:22
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
11:22
SPEAKER_02: And that's what I thought because when they first said, oh, it's like it the marathons moved, I was like, great, the estate's shut down, like I can't even go there.
11:30
SPEAKER_02: No, false.
11:31
SPEAKER_02: There's still a huge line to get into the estate, everyone touring the estate.
11:34
SPEAKER_02: There's a winery right next to the estate, there's like a Monet and Friends exhibit on the property.
11:40
SPEAKER_02: So literally, there's just as many people there like touring it and being around each other.
11:44
SPEAKER_02: And it's a convenience thing.
11:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
11:47
SPEAKER_02: Um, but besides all that, the estate itself is truly amazing.
11:52
SPEAKER_02: And obviously, like those of you who are in Europe or European listeners, like you guys are spoiled because you have castles and estates and things like that over there.
12:00
SPEAKER_02: Like in America, we really don't.
12:02
SPEAKER_02: We have what?
12:03
SPEAKER_02: The White House, like um, what's the one in California?
12:06
SPEAKER_02: Hart uh Hertz Castle.
12:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Hertz Castle.
12:09
SPEAKER_03: Which isn't even old, that's 1920s.
12:11
SPEAKER_02: Right.
12:11
SPEAKER_02: So like everything here is not as historic, not as big and vast.
12:15
SPEAKER_02: But George Vanderbilt obviously made this to like wow people.
12:19
SPEAKER_03: Maybe the East Coast has some cool things.
12:21
SPEAKER_03: Like I grew up in New Hampshire, so like that kind of stuff, but still really nothing is pre-1700s outstanding.
12:30
SPEAKER_03: Maybe a few buildings, but right.
12:32
SPEAKER_02: And even the ones that are here, like the you know, when America was first created, it was more about like the modesty of it.
12:38
SPEAKER_02: Like they didn't want monarchs, they didn't want this like grandiose lifestyle.
12:42
SPEAKER_02: It was very colonial and smaller scale.
12:45
SPEAKER_02: So I I think in terms of America, and this is, I think, in a I don't know if it's the world or America.
12:50
SPEAKER_02: So sorry if I butchered this, but it is the largest private estate.
12:54
SPEAKER_02: Oh wow.
12:54
SPEAKER_02: I guess that's in the country.
12:56
SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, so it's it's that's cool, yeah.
12:59
SPEAKER_02: And like I'm gonna post some pictures of it like on my story um on Instagram, but it's just like I couldn't get enough of it.
13:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was just doing all the you know how like self-guided tours are usually so boring, like you have that stupid little audio headset thing, and they just guide you room through room.
13:13
SPEAKER_02: This was actually like fascinating, like everything I was like so into, and I was just taking a million pictures, and it's so if you watch Downtown Abbey, like so downtown Abbey, yeah because it's like the the upstairs is so grand, and it's the parlor, and it's the breakfast room, and it's the dining hall.
13:29
SPEAKER_02: Um, and then they take you downstairs, not they, you, you take yourself downstairs.
13:34
SPEAKER_02: It's like a self-guided tour.
13:36
SPEAKER_02: Um, and and the downstairs there is a huge indoor swimming pool.
13:41
SPEAKER_02: And fun fact, like, I didn't know this until I got there, but I guess they said a lot of people in like the late 1800s didn't know how to swim very well because all they have is the ocean.
13:50
SPEAKER_02: There's not a lot of like public swimming pools, so they only know how to like wade in the ocean and like maybe swim a little in the ocean.
13:58
SPEAKER_03: In a bathtub.
13:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, or like a yeah, they're in a bathtub.
14:00
SPEAKER_02: So this was literally built like you know, like a descending, like decline, you know, and they just kind of wade into the water, and when they get to the deep end, there's like these ropes that literally look like nooses.
14:12
SPEAKER_03: I need this that they hold on to because no one can like swim in the deep end.
14:16
SPEAKER_03: I would actually really enjoy that because I'm not a good swimmer.
14:19
SPEAKER_02: I am not a good swimmer either.
14:20
SPEAKER_02: So I was like, that makes sense.
14:21
SPEAKER_02: I would hang on to this rope while I just hang out in the water.
14:24
SPEAKER_02: Is it in it's indoor?
14:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's all indoors, and it was like the first uh indoor swimming pool to have like underground like lighting.
14:31
SPEAKER_03: Oh, cool.
14:31
SPEAKER_02: So it's like these old kind of you know, like almost Edison light bulbs kind of poking.
14:37
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
14:37
SPEAKER_02: So it was it was so cool.
14:38
SPEAKER_02: They have this Halloween room, which is like decorated, like floor to ceiling, with all these murals where they would host like fun parties, like costume parties and stuff.
14:46
SPEAKER_02: Um, and then in the basement, obviously, they have like servants' quarters.
14:49
SPEAKER_02: So, like I said, very downtown Abbey, where it's like, here's where the servants ate, here's where they um where their bedrooms were.
14:56
SPEAKER_02: And they kind of said it like, hey, this wasn't a bad gig to have, like if you were a servant, it wasn't like you were super lowly.
15:02
SPEAKER_02: It was like if you lived in the North Carolina area, here's George Vanderbilt paying New York wages for you to live on property in this giant estate, have your own room where maybe dust.
15:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like maybe you come from a family where you have to share rooms with siblings, and now you get your own bedroom and cute little made-out little duster.
15:21
SPEAKER_02: Right, you like run around, you dust.
15:23
SPEAKER_02: I know they've been more than dusting, I know obviously.
15:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they actually cleaned and right, but it was actually like such a coveted role in the community that there are still to this day like generations of people that have been in service of the Biltmore community.
15:36
SPEAKER_02: Really?
15:36
SPEAKER_02: Because they just treat them so well, and it's like a good job.
15:39
SPEAKER_02: It's like picking up that's so cool.
15:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that would work there.
15:42
SPEAKER_02: It was cool, and then seeing the kitchen, it's so Miss Padmore, you know, that I could just picture Miss Padmore and Daisy sitting there, like prepping everything on these big tables and huge stations, yeah, and the pantries and the refrigerators, like they were the first estate to have like walk-in refrigerators.
15:57
SPEAKER_03: That's crazy.
15:58
SPEAKER_02: So it was just again, I'll post pictures because it's just so, so cool.
16:01
SPEAKER_02: But out of everything in Asheville, I would go back again just to see that, and I would see it over and over.
16:06
SPEAKER_02: Like I would I want to see it in the summer.
16:08
SPEAKER_03: Do they do membership passes?
16:09
SPEAKER_03: I do.
16:09
SPEAKER_03: Oh, they've already emailed me, trust me.
16:12
SPEAKER_02: They have me pegged.
16:12
SPEAKER_02: They're like, You look like you're someone interested in an annual membership.
16:16
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, In North Carolina?
16:17
SPEAKER_02: I am.
16:18
SPEAKER_02: I would love to go back for Christmas, see all the change of season.
16:22
SPEAKER_02: So highly, highly recommend.
16:24
SPEAKER_02: Again, I'll post some pics, but it is it's worth seeing.
16:28
SPEAKER_03: So we have an Italian execution.
16:31
SPEAKER_03: We do.
16:32
SPEAKER_03: I have to preface with saying I'm very disappointed in ourselves for our lack of Italian food tonight.
16:39
SPEAKER_03: We are normally, we should have been about like the mozzarella, the Italian wine, the bruscetta, the raviolis, like pizzas.
16:47
SPEAKER_02: Oh, sensitive subject.
16:49
SPEAKER_03: Oh, dude, talk about pizza.
16:51
SPEAKER_03: I'm so turned off and we don't start.
16:54
SPEAKER_02: No, no.
16:55
SPEAKER_03: Okay, I know we need to get to the episode.
16:57
SPEAKER_03: We will.
16:57
SPEAKER_03: But really quick, really quick.
16:59
SPEAKER_03: Jake and I have been on a health kick.
17:02
SPEAKER_03: Let me start with saying this.
17:03
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
17:04
SPEAKER_03: Uh, we're going on vacation to England in a month, which I think I've mentioned, but if not, we'll come back to that another episode.
17:10
SPEAKER_03: Anyways, I'm going on vacation, and my goal is to lose just a little bit of weight so then I can eat all the calories in the world.
17:18
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
17:19
SPEAKER_03: And then gain weight.
17:20
SPEAKER_02: Be right back where you are.
17:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
17:21
SPEAKER_03: So, anyways, I feel like me being a 30-something-year-old female, a lot of people can relate to this.
17:27
SPEAKER_03: Anyways, on Health Kick, Jake talks me into ordering pizza on Sunday night, and I'm going back and forth, like subconsciously, and I'm like, okay, fine.
17:36
SPEAKER_03: I will eat pizza.
17:38
SPEAKER_03: I'm verbalizing to him my strategy.
17:39
SPEAKER_03: I was like, hey, I played a lot of tennis today.
17:42
SPEAKER_03: I was like, pizza's only 200 calories a slice if you just do cheese with a veggie on it.
17:46
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
17:47
SPEAKER_03: And I can have two, maybe three pieces, and you know, enjoy myself a little bit.
17:52
SPEAKER_03: Right.
17:52
SPEAKER_03: And he's like, Yeah, yeah, that's good.
17:55
SPEAKER_02: And you didn't eat like the rest of the day until the pizza showed up.
17:57
SPEAKER_03: Well, I mean, I ate.
17:58
SPEAKER_03: I ate like I ate normally for the lunch and everything.
18:01
SPEAKER_03: But you're waiting for the pizza.
18:02
SPEAKER_03: It was also Oscar's night, so I felt like there was a longer delay than normal.
18:06
SPEAKER_03: And it wasn't until like almost eight o'clock the pizza finally shows up.
18:10
SPEAKER_03: And I was trying not to eat, so I can I'm like, okay, I'm gonna have like three, four slices at this point.
18:15
SPEAKER_03: I opened the box.
18:16
SPEAKER_03: It's deep dish.
18:18
SPEAKER_03: No.
18:19
SPEAKER_03: Who orders deep dish pizza these days?
18:22
SPEAKER_03: Psychopaths.
18:23
SPEAKER_03: It's like triple the calories, triple the oil, triple the carbs, the crust, everything.
18:29
SPEAKER_02: Well, and you were so clear, like you told him your 200 calorie a slice strategy.
18:33
SPEAKER_02: Deep dish strategic is like a 700 like calorie slice at that point.
18:37
SPEAKER_03: I held it up in front of him.
18:39
SPEAKER_03: Like I grabbed the piece of the corner of the slice, like repulsed, just and I hang it.
18:45
SPEAKER_03: And I was just like, what is this?
18:48
SPEAKER_03: It's like it's deep dish.
18:50
SPEAKER_03: And I said, I want to throw this pizza in your face right now.
18:53
SPEAKER_03: What did you do?
18:55
SPEAKER_03: And, anyways, pizza is a sensitive subject for us right now.
18:58
SPEAKER_03: I in the morning, I apologize for my behavior, and then I realized neither of us are truly sorry.
19:04
SPEAKER_03: Are truly sorry because we like restarted the argument all over again.
19:08
SPEAKER_03: Because Jake actually believes that the default is deep dish pizza, and you need to request to have it not be like deep dish.
19:18
SPEAKER_02: Well, and to be fair, because I I Megan told me this story first, and I totally was, you know, Megan's my friend.
19:23
SPEAKER_02: I took Megan's side.
19:24
SPEAKER_02: I was like, you're right, like no one thinks deep dish is the default pizza.
19:29
SPEAKER_02: So Jake came in the room and I was like, Jake, do you think deep dish is the default pizza?
19:36
SPEAKER_03: Like when I ordered an ongoing argument, three days in our household.
19:39
SPEAKER_03: This has been all it's been.
19:40
SPEAKER_02: Okay, to be fair and to play devil's house.
19:42
SPEAKER_02: Oh, whatever.
19:42
SPEAKER_02: And I'll be on Jake's side on this.
19:44
SPEAKER_02: He says, I know it's not the default pizza of choice for most people, but Megan knows that I like deep dish.
19:51
SPEAKER_02: So it is my default.
19:53
SPEAKER_02: And then they then they got in this whole thing of like, when did you order deep dish?
19:57
SPEAKER_02: He's like, he's like Halloween.
19:59
SPEAKER_02: And she's like, Yeah, you did.
20:00
SPEAKER_02: And it was just so funny to see them just banter between like, when did you last get pizza?
20:05
SPEAKER_03: Like, yeah, and like also, I guess in his defense, I was kind of tagging onto his pizza.
20:13
SPEAKER_03: Like he was like, I'm ordering pizza.
20:15
SPEAKER_03: And I was like, Okay, I might have a slice or two, right?
20:18
SPEAKER_03: And he's like, Okay, what do you want on your half?
20:20
SPEAKER_03: I felt like that would have been a good opportunity for effective communication to be, by the way, it's gonna be deep dish.
20:27
SPEAKER_02: What's funny to me is you guys have been together like over 10 years at this point, right?
20:31
SPEAKER_02: Um, we've been together for 14 years, yeah, and then like married 10.
20:34
SPEAKER_02: I was a child, yeah.
20:36
SPEAKER_02: She was a baby, but you would think in 14 years of like knowing each other.
20:41
SPEAKER_02: We still argue over the pettiest things.
20:43
SPEAKER_02: Well, no, not even that, but like you think you would know how the other person takes their pizza.
20:47
SPEAKER_02: So, like, you think you would have to be like, okay, Jake, I know you like deep dish.
20:51
SPEAKER_02: We're not gonna do deep dish tonight because I'm really trying to eat a few slices.
20:54
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, probably thin crust, but I'll go with hand toss.
20:57
SPEAKER_03: That's what I find most funny is he's like, you know me, you know I like deep dish, and you're like, no, I don't.
21:02
SPEAKER_03: The worst of all of this, and he he he does listen to all the episodes.
21:06
SPEAKER_03: So I'm I'm taking it delicately.
21:08
SPEAKER_03: He might be listening to this.
21:10
SPEAKER_03: So I hopefully at this point we've uh concluded our argument.
21:13
SPEAKER_03: By the time this this goes live.
21:15
SPEAKER_03: So Megan wins.
21:16
SPEAKER_03: Megan wins the argument.
21:17
SPEAKER_03: Um I had half of a slice, and it was so damn good.
21:22
SPEAKER_03: So good.
21:23
SPEAKER_02: We're gonna edit that part out.
21:24
SPEAKER_02: He doesn't need to know that.
21:26
SPEAKER_02: He doesn't need to know that.
21:27
SPEAKER_03: Um, anyways, we are like way going over um That's okay.
21:31
SPEAKER_02: It was all important things.
21:33
SPEAKER_03: Uh Potzi.
21:34
SPEAKER_03: Potzi.
21:35
SPEAKER_03: Italians.
21:36
SPEAKER_02: Italians.
21:38
SPEAKER_02: Medici's.
21:39
SPEAKER_03: Execution, Florence, hangings.
21:43
SPEAKER_03: It's like the word decapitation.
21:45
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
21:46
SPEAKER_03: But now we're the now it's a clue game.
21:47
SPEAKER_03: Like, what are we talking about?
21:49
SPEAKER_03: I think we we said Pazzi and Medici, so it must be the Potzi conspiracy.
21:53
SPEAKER_02: We're talking about the Potzi conspiracy today.
21:57
SPEAKER_02: Italian episode.
21:58
SPEAKER_02: This is a good one.
22:00
SPEAKER_02: I like this one.
22:00
SPEAKER_02: I've always been intrigued by the Medici family.
22:03
SPEAKER_02: Like, just because I didn't know so much about them.
22:06
SPEAKER_02: I knew they were mostly in Florence, like in power for a very long time.
22:10
SPEAKER_02: Like, had a lot of popes come from their family, couple queens come from their family, just highly influential and very mysterious.
22:18
SPEAKER_02: Like anything I've learned about Catherine de Medici, which was um queen consort of France, um, she like was into the occult.
22:26
SPEAKER_02: And like very just had all these devious ways about her and always kind of got what she wanted in court.
22:32
SPEAKER_03: Wait, this just went full circle in my brain.
22:35
SPEAKER_03: From Rain?
22:36
SPEAKER_03: Catherine de' Medici is the wife of King Henry.
22:42
SPEAKER_03: Mary Queen of Scots' father-in-law.
22:46
SPEAKER_03: Which I could also say about that.
22:47
SPEAKER_03: I was gonna say let's say that in a different way.
22:49
SPEAKER_03: Mary Queen of Scots' mother-in-law.
22:53
SPEAKER_02: Yes, Mary Queen of Scots' mother-in-law.
22:55
SPEAKER_03: It's Catherine De Medici.
22:56
SPEAKER_03: It's Catherine de Medici.
22:57
SPEAKER_03: Who is part of the family?
22:58
SPEAKER_03: Correct.
22:59
SPEAKER_03: That we are now gonna talk about who executes everybody.
23:02
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
23:02
SPEAKER_02: Yay! We did it! Congratulations.
23:05
SPEAKER_02: Okay, let's do it.
23:06
SPEAKER_02: So if you've seen, if you know anything about Mary Queen of Scots, which we have a whole episode on her, season one.
23:10
SPEAKER_02: Do you know anything?
23:11
SPEAKER_03: Uh season one, episode 13.
23:14
SPEAKER_02: Part one, part two.
23:16
SPEAKER_02: Um, but and also again, I've mentioned Rain.
23:19
SPEAKER_02: I don't know why I keep mentioning Rain, just because I don't know.
23:21
SPEAKER_02: It's terrible.
23:21
SPEAKER_02: It's a terrible show.
23:23
SPEAKER_02: But I couldn't, I couldn't not watch Rain.
23:24
SPEAKER_02: I could easily stop watching.
23:26
SPEAKER_02: I could finish.
23:27
SPEAKER_02: But Catherine De Medici is a very interesting character in that show.
23:31
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, so I'm gonna give you guys a little bit of a background on who the Medici's are, and we're gonna talk about what the Potzi conspiracy was because essentially what this was was a plot by members of the Potzi family in Florence to really displace the Medici family, like to kind of knock them off their pedestal and try to assume power of Florence, which good luck.
23:53
SPEAKER_02: Good fucking luck with that.
23:55
SPEAKER_02: They're the Medici's.
23:56
SPEAKER_02: Um, so to give you guys a little bit of background, so the Medici's really were um like a mostly farm agricultural kind of family who like the for their name first kind of circulates in the like 1100s, 1200s, but no one really knows who they are.
24:12
SPEAKER_02: It's not until like the early 1400s, about 1434, that they take power of Florence.
24:19
SPEAKER_02: And it they think that they did this in a way where like it was first agriculture, then they got really into wool and textiles.
24:25
SPEAKER_02: So the first time they made money as a family was through textiles, and at a certain point they had so much money that they actually got into banking, they got um a lot of political influence and started taking political positions in Florence.
24:37
SPEAKER_02: So they became really known in the early 1400s as this powerful family who were bankers.
24:43
SPEAKER_02: There was like the Bank of Medici, which is kind of crazy.
24:46
SPEAKER_03: Bank of Medici.
24:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, not the House of Gucci, the Bank of Medici.
24:50
SPEAKER_02: Um Bank of America, Bank of Medici.
24:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I always think about like that.
24:56
SPEAKER_02: Like, was that just a I like Wells Fargo technically was just literally a wagon.
25:00
SPEAKER_02: Privately owned.
25:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
25:02
SPEAKER_02: So it's interesting to think about the origins of these big conglomerates.
25:05
SPEAKER_02: Um, anyway, so uh they they wanted to make it clear to people though that they were not monarchs, like they didn't go around calling themselves Emperor of Florence or like, you know, like princes and princesses and dukes and duchesses.
25:19
SPEAKER_02: Everything was very like, we're citizens, we're simply like merchants who have come to power in a very humble way.
25:25
SPEAKER_02: Um, but uh you know at the same time, even though they have these humble origins, like they know they know that they're the ones in power, they know they have a lot of influence, and I think people really admired that type of charisma where it wasn't like here are the Medici just thinking they're like amazing and like throwing power in our face.
25:43
SPEAKER_02: Feel like this is like the Kardashians.
25:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was kind of in a Kardashian way, like you don't know how they're famous, and whether or not you like them, you have to you can't deny that they're just like powerful and they're present all the time, always there, their name is kind of on everything, and their family keeps fucking growing, and you just keep respecting them but also disrespecting them all at the same time.
26:02
SPEAKER_02: You like don't really get it, but over the years you kind of are forced to be like, yeah, like they just I don't know how they have so much power and influence, but they do.
26:10
SPEAKER_03: They're not royalty, but they're pretty darn important, and nobody knows why.
26:14
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
26:15
SPEAKER_02: So, so that's a very good parallel of like they're like the Kardashians of this era, um, except they have jobs.
26:21
SPEAKER_02: I'm scared.
26:24
SPEAKER_03: But we need to work harder.
26:26
SPEAKER_03: You need to work harder, just work hard.
26:30
SPEAKER_02: So, um, um, but another good thing that they did, aside from again, all their important political positions and their role in the banking industry, um, is that they really helped like usher in the Renaissance.
26:42
SPEAKER_02: They, because of you know, the the the money that they had, they really supported a lot of kind of art and humanitarian causes, or not humanitarian, like humanism causes, really.
26:52
SPEAKER_02: So they were patrons of uh Leonardo da Vinci, of Michelangelo, of Raphael, not the Ninja Turtles, like the actual ones in history.
27:00
SPEAKER_02: Borticelli.
27:01
SPEAKER_02: Borticelli, um, Galileo, Machiavelli, like all these people that we identify with the Italian Renaissance were heavily funded and supported by the Medici family.
27:12
SPEAKER_02: Like they were in the background saying, like, hey, like, yeah, you know, a lot of artists get paid on commission once they sell a piece.
27:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
27:17
SPEAKER_02: But we're gonna give you money before you even produce something because we know how much talent you have.
27:21
SPEAKER_02: They're funding science, they're funding science.
27:24
SPEAKER_03: Like everything progressive that came with the Renaissance era.
27:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
27:27
SPEAKER_03: Their name and their checkbook, check their little wallets behind it.
27:31
SPEAKER_02: They even said that um the Medici's helped like the invention of the piano and of the opera.
27:37
SPEAKER_02: Like they funded those things.
27:38
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I know.
27:39
SPEAKER_03: And they said they think sorry, I'm just gonna say everything in Italian phrases.
27:42
SPEAKER_02: That's what we need to do tonight.
27:44
SPEAKER_02: Um, with our vodka, which is not Italian at all.
27:46
SPEAKER_02: And our Chipotle.
27:48
SPEAKER_02: Support Ukraine.
27:49
SPEAKER_02: Um, and our Chipotle, you're right.
27:51
SPEAKER_02: We did have Chipotle, we're all over the place tonight.
27:54
SPEAKER_02: Very cultural.
27:54
SPEAKER_02: Uh but yeah, we're just accepting of all.
27:57
SPEAKER_02: Um, but they also funded the St.
28:00
SPEAKER_02: Peter's Basilica, which is what you see at the Vatican.
28:02
SPEAKER_02: That's like where the Pope lives, like funded by the Medici family.
28:05
SPEAKER_03: It's our little plaque like this made possible by the Medici family.
28:10
SPEAKER_02: All proceeds are exo Kim Kardashian.
28:13
SPEAKER_03: All proceeds are going to the Medici family.
28:15
SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
28:16
SPEAKER_03: So, um, anyway, so that's a little bit of their background.
28:21
SPEAKER_03: So in comes Pope Sixtus the Fourth.
28:24
SPEAKER_03: Right.
28:25
SPEAKER_03: Not, I really want to say Pope Six the Sixth.
28:28
SPEAKER_03: Sixtus the Sixth.
28:29
SPEAKER_03: Sixtus the Fourth.
28:30
SPEAKER_03: Feels right.
28:31
SPEAKER_03: He's the new Pope in power around this time.
28:33
SPEAKER_03: And we're talking about Renaissance, kind of the late 1400s, early 1470s.
28:40
SPEAKER_03: He is kind of a like farmer, kind of a nobody, kind of like a lowlife, and eventually becomes becomes a pope.
28:49
SPEAKER_03: He gets power, he gets wealth, he becomes the pope, and he really passes along a lot of this power and wealth to his family.
28:56
SPEAKER_03: He's got nephews that he's making into cardinals, he's turning them into prefix of Rome.
29:02
SPEAKER_03: Um, and one of his quote unquote nephews, which may have also been his son, but being the Pope, that was not allowed.
29:09
SPEAKER_02: Not allowed.
29:10
SPEAKER_03: His name is Girolamo Riario.
29:13
SPEAKER_03: Perfect.
29:14
SPEAKER_03: Rerario.
29:14
SPEAKER_03: I just say the tune, and I kind of sing the song.
29:17
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
29:19
SPEAKER_03: So Riario wants to purchase a town, and it's an important town because it's on a really important trade route.
29:26
SPEAKER_03: He's offering 40,000 basically like Florence dollars.
29:32
SPEAKER_03: He's actually giving Venetian dollars.
29:34
SPEAKER_03: Okay, thank you.
29:35
SPEAKER_03: Because he's from Venice.
29:36
SPEAKER_03: So he's offering 40,000 Venetian dollars for this town.
29:41
SPEAKER_03: Meanwhile, Lorenzo de Medici, he's a very important player in our story.
29:46
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
29:46
SPEAKER_03: Obviously, a part of the Medici family, who, as Elizabeth had just explained, is the power of Florence.
29:52
SPEAKER_03: He also wants to buy this land and he's offering a hundred thousand Lawrence dollars.
29:57
SPEAKER_03: Right.
29:58
SPEAKER_03: However, Florence dollars and Venetian dollars at this time are basically the same.
30:02
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's like the same value.
30:03
SPEAKER_03: The currency exchange rate is basically parallel.
30:08
SPEAKER_03: They are purchasing this from the Duke of Milan, and the Duke of Milan decides to sell it to Pope Sixtus and his quote unquote nephew.
30:17
SPEAKER_03: However, he throws in a little deal and he says, I'll take your 40,000, but you also need to marry, as in Rerario, needs to marry my illegitimate daughter.
30:27
SPEAKER_03: So we've now got this quote unquote possibly illegitimate, yeah, this nephew, illegitimate son marrying an ill illegitimate daughter.
30:35
SPEAKER_03: Perfect.
30:36
SPEAKER_03: And this is the start of the friction between the potsies and the Medici's.
30:42
SPEAKER_03: Right.
30:42
SPEAKER_03: And you might ask, okay, how are the pots getting into this at this point?
30:46
SPEAKER_03: You know, because it's now against Sixtus and the Pope and his family and Lorenzo with the Medici's.
30:52
SPEAKER_03: So they're saying, okay, you will buy this from Sixtus, but the Medici family needs to fund it.
30:59
SPEAKER_03: But they were just denied the town that they're trying to buy.
31:02
SPEAKER_03: So they're like, why would I financially support this decision that you're making me put my money into, but I'm not getting it?
31:09
SPEAKER_02: Right.
31:09
SPEAKER_02: You're going to the bank and you're like, okay, now I need the funds to purchase this.
31:12
SPEAKER_02: I don't actually have 40,000, you know, Venetian dollars.
31:15
SPEAKER_02: And you're going to the Medici, and they're like, no.
31:18
SPEAKER_03: No, thank you.
31:18
SPEAKER_03: So we're not gonna find the five.
31:19
SPEAKER_03: They refuse.
31:20
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
31:20
SPEAKER_03: This is where the friction starts.
31:22
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
31:22
SPEAKER_03: There's also some little side story about how they got an archbishop of Florence in there that they didn't really want, or yada yada yada.
31:29
SPEAKER_02: They being the Medici's like put them in power, yeah.
31:32
SPEAKER_03: But I think the real friction of it was this whole like land purchasing situation.
31:37
SPEAKER_03: Right.
31:37
SPEAKER_03: Where the Medicis got turned down and they're like, fund me, and they said no.
31:41
SPEAKER_02: Right.
31:42
SPEAKER_02: And the Possies are just overall kind of jealous of the Medici's anyway.
31:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
31:46
SPEAKER_02: Like these are the big kids on the block.
31:47
SPEAKER_02: Like these are the kids that have the most money.
31:49
SPEAKER_02: Again, they're the Kardashians.
31:50
SPEAKER_02: So if you're a family that's aspiring to be the Kardashians, and you know, they refuse to finance an operation of yours, like, yeah, it's gonna cause some tension.
31:59
SPEAKER_03: So they go to the Potsis to now support them.
32:03
SPEAKER_03: So there's kind of two banks going on the Medici Bank and the Potzi Bank.
32:07
SPEAKER_03: That's where our trife begins.
32:11
SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
32:12
SPEAKER_03: So there's three main characters who are now participating in the plan to assassinate.
32:17
SPEAKER_03: They are going to assassinate Lorenzo de' Medici and his brother Giuliano.
32:23
SPEAKER_03: It is now Rerario, who's the one who was a part of this whole plan deal, the buying of the land.
32:29
SPEAKER_03: Francesco Salviati and Francesco de Pazzi.
32:33
SPEAKER_03: Right.
32:35
SPEAKER_03: And their plan is yeah, to assassinate these two brothers and just take them out, and the Pazis are gonna become the new number one family.
32:43
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
32:44
SPEAKER_02: And um, they they kind of go to the Pope at this time, who is again Sixtus, um, and they tell him, like, hey, you know, we're thinking of taking out Lorenzo and his brother Giuliani.
32:55
SPEAKER_02: And the Pope gives them this very carefully worded answer of like, you know, as a son of God, as someone who's like here, you know, on God's behalf on earth.
33:07
SPEAKER_02: I'm very holy.
33:08
SPEAKER_02: I cannot support the killing of any person on earth.
33:12
SPEAKER_02: That being said, great preference.
33:15
SPEAKER_02: For whatever reason, the Medicis did exit the earth tomorrow.
33:20
SPEAKER_02: I'm okay with that.
33:21
SPEAKER_02: I would look kindly on whoever did that, and there would really be no repercussions on the person that carried something like that out.
33:28
SPEAKER_03: He basically said, Do what you deem necessary, and I will support you, but I'm a holy man and I do not support killing.
33:37
SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
33:37
SPEAKER_03: This was so backwards.
33:39
SPEAKER_02: You can't give my sign of support, but you got I got your back kind of thing.
33:42
SPEAKER_02: Wink, wink, wink.
33:43
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
33:44
SPEAKER_02: Um, so finally, like the posse clan kind of gets together, and on August 25th, 14 uh 78, they all get together at the head of the Patsy family's home.
33:56
SPEAKER_02: And his name is Jacopo.
33:57
SPEAKER_02: Jacopo Patsy.
33:59
SPEAKER_02: So he's hosting this night, the eve before they plan to do it, and obviously you've got the three main characters there: Sixtus' son/slash nephew, Rerario.
34:09
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Rerario, um, Salviati and Francisco de Pazze Pazzi, and they're all there talking about what they're gonna do, how this is gonna take place, and they think the most obvious way to do this, which is uh interesting to me, but they decide to do it at Mass the following day.
34:26
SPEAKER_03: Very public.
34:26
SPEAKER_02: On Sunday, yeah.
34:28
SPEAKER_02: Um, some people think it was Easter Sunday.
34:30
SPEAKER_02: There's not really much account of that or like legitimacy to that.
34:33
SPEAKER_02: So I think it was just a random Sunday um in April, April 26th, which was the next day, and they decide to do this at the Florence Cathedral, which is called the Duomo.
34:42
SPEAKER_02: If you've ever been to Florence, it's literally the main thing in town, like the main attraction.
34:46
SPEAKER_02: It's huge, and it's so big that there's like 10,000 people in attendance.
34:51
SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness.
34:51
SPEAKER_02: I know, I'll post a picture of it.
34:53
SPEAKER_02: I I went with Robbie in 2019.
34:55
SPEAKER_02: It's quite beautiful.
34:56
SPEAKER_02: Um, but uh they so they say, okay, the signal is once the priest goes through communion and presents like the body of Christ, like holds the bread in the air, which is also called the host.
35:08
SPEAKER_02: Um, once they hold the host in the air, then that's when we're going to do something.
35:12
SPEAKER_02: And they who knows what they exactly discussed, whether it was the entire Medici family they were gonna take out, whether it was specifically Lorenzo and Giuliani, whether it was um people who were a part of the political parties that existed.
35:26
SPEAKER_02: They just knew that there this is where things were gonna go down.
35:29
SPEAKER_02: And maybe because of the sheer number of people, they could kind of get away with it and just kind of cause like crazy chaos in the church.
35:35
SPEAKER_04: Oh no.
35:36
SPEAKER_02: I know.
35:37
SPEAKER_02: So high mass comes the next day, which I'd like to know what time it was.
35:41
SPEAKER_02: Um, I feel like maybe church was longer in this era.
35:44
SPEAKER_02: I go to church for an hour and I'm like, alright, we're done.
35:47
SPEAKER_02: Um, but uh they they go to church and they decide once again the body of Christ is is hoisted up above the crowd to attack.
35:56
SPEAKER_02: So both Lorenzo and Giuliani are attacked at the same time.
35:59
SPEAKER_02: Lorenzo is kind of like cut along his neck a bit.
36:03
SPEAKER_02: It looks worse than it is because he's like bleeding out everywhere, he's holding his wound, and then he's rushed to the preparation room, the vestry, which is where they hold again the um the wine and the communion bread, um, and they kind of take him to this like sacred room to hold him there for a bit, and then he heads home once he feels like he's safe enough to do so.
36:21
SPEAKER_02: But Giuliano, his brother, is just killed in cold blood.
36:26
SPEAKER_02: He is stabbed 19 times by both Francesco De Paz and by someone called, and this is a long name, long Italian name, but Bernardo Bendini de Baroncelli.
36:37
SPEAKER_03: I like it.
36:37
SPEAKER_03: Right?
36:38
SPEAKER_03: Awesome.
36:38
SPEAKER_03: BBB.
36:40
SPEAKER_02: So B squared, yeah.
36:43
SPEAKER_02: B Squared and Francesco just attack uh Giuliano.
36:47
SPEAKER_02: And so they again they they stab him, there's no way he survives.
36:51
SPEAKER_02: Um, a lot of forensic specialists have said that it might have been head trauma where he actually died.
36:55
SPEAKER_02: So maybe they kind of bashed him in the head first.
36:57
SPEAKER_02: So hopefully he died quick versus after being stabbed 19 times.
37:03
SPEAKER_02: Um, but they go after him.
37:05
SPEAKER_02: So finally, uh they're you know, amidst all this chaos, Salviati, who's one of the conspirators, leaves and he tries to take control of the Palazzo della Signore, uh, which is like their town hall area, but he's unsuccessful.
37:20
SPEAKER_02: I think they legitimately thought that like the people of Florence would be on their side.
37:25
SPEAKER_02: Like once they saw, oh great, we're all rising up against the Medicis, like they'd be on board.
37:30
SPEAKER_02: And it kind of reminds me of our last episode with Robert Devereaux.
37:33
SPEAKER_03: Oh, it died.
37:35
SPEAKER_03: Did anybody discuss this with them?
37:37
SPEAKER_03: Did they feel the room before going into a complete revolution?
37:42
SPEAKER_03: Right.
37:42
SPEAKER_03: Did they ask anyone?
37:43
SPEAKER_03: They take a survey.
37:44
SPEAKER_03: Did they realize that less than 50% is not on their side?
37:49
SPEAKER_03: So maybe don't try to overtake the entire city.
37:52
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
37:52
SPEAKER_02: So just like Robert Devereaux trying to get the people of London to like revolt against coming to live.
37:57
SPEAKER_03: We got this, we got this.
37:58
SPEAKER_02: And nobody would go with him.
37:59
SPEAKER_03: It was basically shutting their windows.
38:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, basically the same thing.
38:03
SPEAKER_02: Instead, people were like, We like the Medici's, like, we have no beef with the Medici's, like, we now have beef with you.
38:10
SPEAKER_02: So kind of a mob breaks out against the people who were conspiring against the Medici's.
38:15
SPEAKER_02: Um, so that day they captured a lot of these conspirators.
38:20
SPEAKER_02: They actually took Salviati and they hanged him from a window in the palazzo, and they just like let him rot there.
38:28
SPEAKER_02: Like, didn't hang him to die and then bury him, like hanged him and then just let him decompose in the window.
38:34
SPEAKER_02: And on that day alone, they said that 30 people of the conspirating party were killed just by the angry mob like rising up to defend the Medici's.
38:43
SPEAKER_03: There was a lot that happened on that day.
38:45
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
38:45
SPEAKER_03: Uh, Renato De Pazzi, he got lynched.
38:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
38:49
SPEAKER_03: Which Elizabeth and I had a little side discussion about lynching versus hanging.
38:52
SPEAKER_03: I was like, well, isn't that just hanged?
38:55
SPEAKER_03: My understanding is lynching is an informal process created by a mob.
39:00
SPEAKER_03: That makes more sense.
39:01
SPEAKER_03: While that's why I really want to know more about Salviati.
39:07
SPEAKER_03: Because it I want to know what did that like who hanged him.
39:12
SPEAKER_02: And like was there any kind of process or was it just a mob style?
39:16
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, was killing.
39:17
SPEAKER_03: There was no from what I've I did not read one thing about a trial.
39:21
SPEAKER_03: No.
39:21
SPEAKER_03: And any of this.
39:22
SPEAKER_03: No.
39:22
SPEAKER_03: And I guess it's pretty cut and dry when you see someone with a knife coming at someone else and you know who did it.
39:28
SPEAKER_03: Like going back to Will Smith, like, okay, it's on camera.
39:31
SPEAKER_03: Will Smith segue.
39:33
SPEAKER_03: Was the vic was, you know, he was the perpetrator and Chris is the victim.
39:37
SPEAKER_03: Right.
39:37
SPEAKER_03: But I didn't read one thing about a trial, did you?
39:41
SPEAKER_02: No.
39:41
SPEAKER_02: And I think because of their positions in society and the fact that they were in politics, like it was kind of assumed.
39:47
SPEAKER_02: Like these people are traitors, they're treasonous.
39:50
SPEAKER_02: You see them, like you kill them on site, or you capture them, and then Medici's will execute them.
39:55
SPEAKER_02: So a little bit different than our normal um, you know, episode in terms of there's no trial, but they are still executions because there is like a clear reason why they're being killed.
40:06
SPEAKER_03: It's just kind of more on a mass level.
40:08
SPEAKER_02: And it's on a mass level, yeah.
40:10
SPEAKER_02: And it's just like a weird assumed thing of like, hey, you conspired, all these politicians are out to get you, they find you.
40:16
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
40:17
SPEAKER_03: Jacopo, again, the head of the Potzi house, and they really have to blame this guy because the meeting was held at his house the night before, and even though he wasn't personally the one assaulting the um the Medici, clearly he's to blame.
40:34
SPEAKER_03: Right.
40:34
SPEAKER_03: He actually gets away and he escapes.
40:36
SPEAKER_03: But he's caught.
40:38
SPEAKER_03: He's caught, he's tortured, and he's hanged.
40:42
SPEAKER_03: Right.
40:42
SPEAKER_03: He's hanged next to the rotting body of Salva Salviati.
40:49
SPEAKER_03: So dies next to his kin.
40:51
SPEAKER_03: What a statement to make, right?
40:53
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, next to his kin.
40:55
SPEAKER_03: They bury him, but they decide that he's not worthy of a burial.
40:59
SPEAKER_03: Elizabeth, why don't you share this fun part?
41:02
SPEAKER_02: It's my favorite part.
41:03
SPEAKER_02: So, like Megan said, uh, he's he's buried at this uh place called the Santa Croce Church, which again, people were like, What?
41:09
SPEAKER_02: You're giving him like a proper burial in a Catholic church?
41:12
SPEAKER_02: Like he's a traitor.
41:13
SPEAKER_02: This is not okay.
41:14
SPEAKER_02: So, and just a side note, like Lorenzo throughout all of this is kind of imploring people not to avenge him and avenge his family.
41:22
SPEAKER_02: But I think that's also just like Pope Sixtus, kind of a wink-wink, nudge-nudge.
41:26
SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't condone this.
41:28
SPEAKER_02: I don't want you all to go out there in the streets and kill on my behalf.
41:31
SPEAKER_02: But whatever happens, happens.
41:33
SPEAKER_02: Do what you deem necessary.
41:35
SPEAKER_02: And I'm sure the Medicis have their own kind of henchmen cronies kind of wander in the streets looking for these people too.
41:40
SPEAKER_02: So again, no real trial, like formal process, but I think it's assumed like we find you, we kill you, and you know why you're dying.
41:48
SPEAKER_02: So, poor, um, no, I won't say poor, but Jacopo is dug up.
41:53
SPEAKER_02: He's then his body, he's already dead, right?
41:55
SPEAKER_02: But his body is goodness.
41:57
SPEAKER_02: I know, thank God I would not want to do the rest of this.
42:00
SPEAKER_02: But his body is then drugged through the streets of Florence, he's then decapitated, and someone thinks it's a great idea to use his head as a door knocker in the Palazzo Potzi, which is like the plazo that's named after the Potzi family.
42:17
SPEAKER_02: So it's like very intentional.
42:19
SPEAKER_02: Like, here's the head of your household.
42:20
SPEAKER_02: He's now a door knocker.
42:22
SPEAKER_02: That's literally my note just says head of a door knocker.
42:26
SPEAKER_02: Head of a door knocker.
42:28
SPEAKER_02: Check out those knockers.
42:29
SPEAKER_03: We need to make that into a Halloween decoration.
42:31
SPEAKER_03: That'd be so spooky.
42:33
SPEAKER_03: Just like knock here.
42:35
SPEAKER_03: Just for candy.
42:37
SPEAKER_03: Just put your finger in the mouth, grab your tongue, and just knock.
42:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's that's intense.
42:43
SPEAKER_02: So I can't imagine, but they they all thought this was great.
42:47
SPEAKER_02: They loved seeing the dead bodies, like, you know, hung up for everyone to see.
42:51
SPEAKER_02: They thought this was funny, having the decapitated head in the piazza.
42:54
SPEAKER_02: So funny.
42:55
SPEAKER_02: Wait, no, it's not all.
42:56
SPEAKER_02: It's not all.
42:57
SPEAKER_02: But his body, so the head goes in the palazzo, but the body was then thrown into the um River Arno, which is like the main river that goes through Florence.
43:06
SPEAKER_02: Um, and then it was kind of like either fished out or washed up on shore, and it was found by a bunch of children.
43:13
SPEAKER_02: Cool.
43:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, kids, you know, Florence kids who just come across his body.
43:17
SPEAKER_02: Most kids would probably be like, That's gross.
43:18
SPEAKER_02: I don't really want anything to do with it.
43:20
SPEAKER_02: Mom, like, help.
43:20
SPEAKER_02: I have PTSD, mom.
43:22
SPEAKER_02: I just saw a dead body float around the river.
43:24
SPEAKER_02: Anxiety is through the roof.
43:25
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
43:26
SPEAKER_02: These kids in this time think it's hilarious.
43:28
SPEAKER_02: We don't know if they know who this is, like who the body is, because it's a decapitated body.
43:33
SPEAKER_02: It's decapitated, it's bloated and all swollen from the water.
43:37
SPEAKER_02: And it's they decide to string it up and flog it and tear it apart more.
43:42
SPEAKER_03: Like, why do I picture this Elizabeth as a kid?
43:45
SPEAKER_03: Like, oh, cool.
43:46
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
43:47
SPEAKER_02: Half decomposed dead body.
43:49
SPEAKER_02: I never found a dead body and inflicted more pain on it.
43:52
SPEAKER_02: I did not do anything of the sort.
43:53
SPEAKER_02: I was What's up with these Italian kids in 1478?
43:57
SPEAKER_02: They had nothing else to do, I guess.
43:58
SPEAKER_02: You know, some kids had.
44:00
SPEAKER_02: The internet, some kids go find dead bodies washed up in the lake.
44:03
SPEAKER_03: They threw it back into the river to like let's be clear.
44:06
SPEAKER_03: They in the end, like are you saying it like it's a good thing?
44:09
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they made the right choice in the end.
44:12
SPEAKER_03: They threw it back in the river, and that was the full c cycle of Yacobo.
44:16
SPEAKER_03: And Yacobo was no more.
44:17
SPEAKER_03: Tortured, hanged, buried, dug up.
44:20
SPEAKER_03: This is sorry, this is just my notes.
44:22
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
44:23
SPEAKER_03: Tortured, hanged, buried, dug up, thrown into a ditch, corpse dragged, hung again, head was a door knocker, thrown in river, thrown back out, flogged, thrown back in.
44:38
SPEAKER_03: What the hell?
44:39
SPEAKER_02: That's and that takes a lot of different parties involved in that.
44:42
SPEAKER_02: Like that's not just one person out to get you.
44:44
SPEAKER_02: That's a lot of people really hating you.
44:46
SPEAKER_03: That's funny to me.
44:46
SPEAKER_03: It's so sad.
44:48
SPEAKER_03: Um overall, there were 80 executions over this conspiracy.
44:54
SPEAKER_03: Right.
44:55
SPEAKER_03: And it wasn't all said and done like easy peasy, quick and easy.
45:00
SPEAKER_03: Um Bernardo, who you had mentioned, the guy with the fancy name, he was the one who was stabbing Giuliano.
45:06
SPEAKER_03: Can I say his name one more time?
45:07
SPEAKER_03: Sure, do it.
45:08
SPEAKER_02: Okay, Bernardo Bendini del Baroncelli.
45:11
SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna call him B Cubed or Bernardo.
45:14
SPEAKER_03: B cubed.
45:15
SPEAKER_03: He actually got away.
45:16
SPEAKER_02: He went to all the way to Constantinople.
45:19
SPEAKER_02: Modern day Istumble.
45:20
SPEAKER_03: Don't sing the song.
45:21
SPEAKER_02: Istumble is Constantinople.
45:24
SPEAKER_03: The Sultan in Constantinople recognized him, gets him arrested.
45:29
SPEAKER_03: He's wearing Turkish clothing at the time, like really trying to assimilate into the actual atmosphere.
45:34
SPEAKER_02: No, no, I'm Turkish.
45:35
SPEAKER_02: I don't know who this Bernardo character is.
45:37
SPEAKER_02: You're thinking of.
45:40
SPEAKER_03: No, no, no, no.
45:43
SPEAKER_03: Um, they bring him back to Florence.
45:46
SPEAKER_03: He is then hanged on December 29th, 1479.
45:52
SPEAKER_03: So we're talking over a year later.
45:56
SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
45:57
SPEAKER_03: Year and a half later.
45:58
SPEAKER_02: Year and a half later.
46:00
SPEAKER_03: So he actually made it quite far.
46:02
SPEAKER_03: He probably thought he probably had a chance.
46:04
SPEAKER_03: Must have been the Turkish clothing.
46:06
SPEAKER_03: Through our mom.
46:08
SPEAKER_02: Sir, you're clearly Italian.
46:09
SPEAKER_02: Look how much cheese you consume.
46:13
SPEAKER_03: I I thought this was actually really beautiful.
46:15
SPEAKER_03: Um, Leonardo da Vinci made a beautiful sketching of Bernardo while he was being hanged.
46:20
SPEAKER_02: It's very pretty.
46:21
SPEAKER_03: I actually really like it.
46:22
SPEAKER_03: You know, I have that little empty frame.
46:24
SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's perfect.
46:25
SPEAKER_02: I'm sure Jake won't mind.
46:27
SPEAKER_03: I'll post it.
46:28
SPEAKER_03: It's really cute.
46:29
SPEAKER_02: And a lot of artists like did this on just the sides of buildings too.
46:32
SPEAKER_02: They drew pictures of all the people that were.
46:34
SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
46:35
SPEAKER_03: I have another Bodicelli also painted pictures on the walls of the Bargello, which is their prison.
46:42
SPEAKER_03: He painted pictures of the hangings of um of Salviati and some of Jacopo's men while they were being hanged.
46:50
SPEAKER_03: So there's art of their executions now.
46:52
SPEAKER_03: Truly Italian Renaissance style.
46:55
SPEAKER_03: Like, this is an artistic opportunity.
46:58
SPEAKER_03: This is an artistic opportunity.
47:01
SPEAKER_02: And like how, you know, it shows how fiercely people defended the Medicis to the point where they're like, I'm gonna draw art around these treasonous people being murdered, like and executed.
47:10
SPEAKER_03: Like zero sympathy for them whatsoever.
47:13
SPEAKER_03: Oh, totally.
47:14
SPEAKER_03: Um, and the executions didn't stop there.
47:16
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
47:17
SPEAKER_03: There were even three more executions, June 6th, 1481.
47:21
SPEAKER_03: So they did not let this go easy.
47:23
SPEAKER_03: They weren't like, meh, you made a mistake.
47:25
SPEAKER_03: Right.
47:25
SPEAKER_03: We're talking, what, three years later?
47:28
SPEAKER_03: They're still rounding up the conspirators and being like, Cauchy, you were part of this conspiracy, hanged, tortured, head of a door knocker, whatever we gotta do together.
47:38
SPEAKER_02: They just started selling door knockers on the street at that point.
47:40
SPEAKER_03: Send them to the kids.
47:41
SPEAKER_03: The kids have zero mercy, evidently.
47:44
SPEAKER_03: So the kids are the worst ones.
47:46
SPEAKER_03: They're like the start of the piñata.
47:48
SPEAKER_03: But can I flog it?
47:50
SPEAKER_03: And that's how piñatas in Mexico were made.
47:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then the Spanish saw this, took their tradition to modern America, and uh here we are with pinatas.
48:02
SPEAKER_02: Um, so all in all, after all this, the potsies were not liked, right?
48:07
SPEAKER_02: Most of them were either killed or escaped, but the potsies that were left in the city of Florence, like who weren't killed, um, they were really just like banished.
48:17
SPEAKER_02: I mean, they were they were shunned, all their lands, properties were confiscated, taken away.
48:22
SPEAKER_02: Um, anything that was named after the potsies, like the palazzo, so any kind of streets or buildings, like they were stripped of their names.
48:30
SPEAKER_02: Uh no one was allowed to be named Potzi, like you had to change your name if you were a Potzi.
48:35
SPEAKER_02: I know.
48:35
SPEAKER_02: They even said the coat of arms could no longer be used, which is actually really cute.
48:39
SPEAKER_02: It's like a blue coat.
48:41
SPEAKER_02: I just want to describe it because it's adorable.
48:42
SPEAKER_02: But it's a it's a blue coat of arms with two like dolphins.
48:45
SPEAKER_02: It almost looks like a Pisces sign in the middle, and just a big wreath of like lemons around it.
48:50
SPEAKER_02: It's very happy.
48:51
SPEAKER_02: It's like an Easter cake.
48:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's very beautiful.
48:54
SPEAKER_02: It's like, oh, like here's lemons, here's dolphins, here's blue, and it was it's very happy.
48:58
SPEAKER_02: It's stabbing 19 times.
48:59
SPEAKER_02: It feels like a Barb and Star go to Vista del Mar.
49:03
SPEAKER_02: That's what it feels like.
49:04
SPEAKER_02: That's the last thing I thought of, but sure.
49:06
SPEAKER_02: Um, which side note, if you've ever seen the Medici crest, it's very interesting.
49:11
SPEAKER_02: Have you seen it?
49:12
SPEAKER_02: No, it's yellow and it's got like big red blobs or balls on them, and there's a lot of different red balls.
49:19
SPEAKER_02: Big red balls.
49:19
SPEAKER_02: Like just like they look like big, just red circles.
49:22
SPEAKER_02: It's not very pretty, in my opinion.
49:24
SPEAKER_02: It looks like either a pizza or dish.
49:27
SPEAKER_03: Probably a tape dish.
49:29
SPEAKER_03: I just my eyes just turned red.
49:31
SPEAKER_02: Sorry, but we're not allowed to talk about pizza for a while.
49:34
SPEAKER_02: Um, or there's like a story about how some like giant um bashed into it and created dents in it.
49:41
SPEAKER_02: Like is kind of the mythology behind it.
49:43
SPEAKER_02: But most uh modern historians think that it actually symbolizes the blood orange, which is like kind of kind of makes sense when you compare it with the potsy coat of arms, um, because it's like the lemons are on the potsies one and the blood orange is the potsi one reminds me of like a wreath you get from Michael's on your half clearance discount.
50:01
SPEAKER_02: Very Hobby Lobby vibes, yeah.
50:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, also closed on Sundays, very religious.
50:07
SPEAKER_02: Are they?
50:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, did you know that?
50:08
SPEAKER_02: Well, that's why they're closed on Sundays.
50:10
SPEAKER_02: And then where there's a whole I've never tried to go on a Sunday.
50:12
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I've only tried to go Sundays.
50:14
SPEAKER_02: It's like Chick-fil-A, where you always forget.
50:15
SPEAKER_03: Oh, Hobby Lobby.
50:16
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and I'm gonna go.
50:17
SPEAKER_03: I thought you meant Michael's.
50:18
SPEAKER_03: I've never been to a Hobby Lobby.
50:20
SPEAKER_03: Ever?
50:20
SPEAKER_03: Nope.
50:21
SPEAKER_03: I think it's better than Michael's.
50:23
SPEAKER_03: I don't even want to open that world because I'll take you.
50:27
SPEAKER_02: Great.
50:28
SPEAKER_02: Um, anyways, we're gonna go to the Wrigley Mansion and then I'm gonna take you out.
50:32
SPEAKER_03: Do you have any coupons?
50:34
SPEAKER_02: So many coupons.
50:36
SPEAKER_02: They do all these 40% off days.
50:37
SPEAKER_02: It's great.
50:38
SPEAKER_02: So does Michael's.
50:39
SPEAKER_02: They're open on Sundays.
50:40
SPEAKER_02: Damn.
50:40
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
50:41
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, Daechi's versus.
50:42
SPEAKER_02: Going back to the potsies and how they were just again, you couldn't be a potse anymore.
50:46
SPEAKER_02: Like all their names were even like struck out of public registries.
50:51
SPEAKER_02: Um and like, even if you were married to a potsi, you had to like, you couldn't like run for public office, like you couldn't be involved in society.
50:59
SPEAKER_02: And again, you probably had to either move town or change your name.
51:02
SPEAKER_02: Um, and even Lorenzo's sister, Bianca, her husband was a potsi.
51:06
SPEAKER_02: He was put under house arrest, and he's married to a Medici.
51:10
SPEAKER_02: That is confusing.
51:11
SPEAKER_02: I know.
51:11
SPEAKER_02: Where's the loophole?
51:13
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
51:14
SPEAKER_02: So overall, the um what the Potsis were trying to accomplish obviously did not happen.
51:22
SPEAKER_02: They thought they were gonna assume the power in Florence, be the new Medici clan, but at the end the Kardashians are too powerful for you.
51:29
SPEAKER_03: Also, though, the Potsis finally do kind of come into power.
51:33
SPEAKER_03: Might have been like 300 years later.
51:35
SPEAKER_03: A little bit, they're still hung on.
51:37
SPEAKER_03: Which is crazy that those generations just like last for so long, especially after they're done with changing their names and everything.
51:44
SPEAKER_03: It's true.
51:44
SPEAKER_03: Um 1700s, they kind of resurface.
51:47
SPEAKER_02: They do, they come out of the woodwork a bit.
51:49
SPEAKER_02: Um, but during the time, again, 1400s to 1700s, this really just like strengthened the Medici's power.
51:56
SPEAKER_02: It proved how loyal people were to them, and it showed how much like influence that specifically Lorenzo had because the way he was very um composed throughout all this, the way he negotiated to get some of these like conspirators back from other countries, like showed how he could deal with like different foreign heads of state, um, how he kind of he tried to rectify the relationship with the Pope again.
52:20
SPEAKER_02: Um, he just became like very well regarded in terms of the international stage, and people again were just very impressed with the way he like continued to protect his family and hold on to his power and wasn't even phased really by this.
52:33
SPEAKER_02: Like, obviously, I'm sure he misses dear old Giuliano.
52:36
SPEAKER_02: But um people at the end of the day respected their family more for this incident, which is wild.
52:41
SPEAKER_03: He like kind of became more stern over it too.
52:45
SPEAKER_03: Yes, he was very like lenient and soft and forgiving before all of this, and I think it kind of built this hard shell around him.
52:52
SPEAKER_03: Right, and they said he became more stern, more serious, but more powerful, more intentive, like just diamond heart, yeah.
53:01
SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
53:01
SPEAKER_03: Like they kind of poured hard steel over him when they cut his throat, yeah, and uh became a new person.
53:08
SPEAKER_02: What a badass scar! You're like, hey, you know I got this scar right here.
53:12
SPEAKER_03: That's the Botsy conspiracy right there.
53:15
SPEAKER_03: Botsy's Sunday, April 26th.
53:19
SPEAKER_02: During the body of the Christ was not on Easter Sunday, though some say it will be.
53:25
SPEAKER_02: A picture like the godfather, like Marlon Brando, but I was too powerful.
53:31
SPEAKER_03: Oh, so uh I like good Italian ones.
53:34
SPEAKER_03: I'm like sad we missed out on like meatballs and we did eat cheese, but we always eat cheese.
53:39
SPEAKER_03: That's true.
53:40
SPEAKER_03: Kind of our hobby.
53:42
SPEAKER_03: Hobby.
53:44
SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, no, we we've been a little inconsistent this season with our with our meals, but we always come back, you know.
53:50
SPEAKER_02: We we go away from it, we come back.
53:52
SPEAKER_02: You don't ever know perfect for so long.
53:54
SPEAKER_02: It's just so hard to be perfect.
53:56
SPEAKER_03: Um, um Elizabeth, any final words?
54:04
SPEAKER_03: Not today, Megan.
54:06
SPEAKER_03: God, that's horrible.
54:10
SPEAKER_01: Mambo Italiano, hey, my humble Mambo Italiano, don't you?
54:16
SPEAKER_01: Mixed up with all your cala blazer do the mumbo like a crazy with a heavy mumbo.
54:22
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54:42
SPEAKER_01: If you're gonna be a square, you ain't gonna go away.
54:47
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54:56
SPEAKER_01: Do you get happy in the pizza when you make it?
55:19
SPEAKER_01: You don't have to go to the school Just to make it with a beat.
55:28
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55:39
SPEAKER_01: Hello, Kissy DJ.
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SPEAKER_01: You get happy in the feature when you make it.