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🏁 Controversial Umpires, Watering Cans and a VERY Special Blazer · No Dribble

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  Speaker 4: Oh well, I was about to say I secretly turned
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  Speaker 5: Was quiet.
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  Speaker 2: I was listening to it in the car because we
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  Speaker 2: I listened to it and so I had you up
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  Speaker 2: at a comfortable volume, and then cath and I came
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  Speaker 2: on and went shut up yet back from the microphone.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, Well, I think we're all good this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: This week's all good. Well, we're good. There's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of stuff that's not good this week. I'm Carolyn Swindell,
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  Speaker 2: I'm caath.
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  Speaker 3: Cox, I'm Zello's ad a good volume.
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  Speaker 2: You welcome, welcome. There is a lot of netball to
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  Speaker 2: talk about, and we've bravely left the house. We are
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  Speaker 2: all we're wearing black, not because we're Silver fur and supporters,
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  Speaker 2: but because we are in mourning. It has been a
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  Speaker 2: tough week for Australian network, hasn't it?
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  Speaker 4: And out of the blue to a degree, because how
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  Speaker 4: do the World champs, who have not been rattled by
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  Speaker 4: any team in the last three years or so suddenly
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  Speaker 4: lose three zip but by double digit margins each game.
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  Speaker 5: I know it's a concern.
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  Speaker 4: The concern is there's one game to go, but hey,
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  Speaker 4: it makes it interesting for international netball, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 2: It really does.
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  Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, And I think that we just need to
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  Speaker 3: keep some perspective on this. Yes, it's a concern.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, I'd like to be historical, but you know.
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  Speaker 3: We're two years out from the Calm Games, We're three
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  Speaker 3: years out from the next World Cup.
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  Speaker 6: When I think back to.
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  Speaker 3: The last all the years that I was captain, the
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  Speaker 3: year after the World Cup, we lost the World Cup
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  Speaker 3: in two thousand and three, two thousand and four, two
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  Speaker 3: thousand and five, we just.
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  Speaker 6: Got pumped by the Kiwis and I.
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  Speaker 3: Looked at the players on Saturday night and I thought,
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  Speaker 3: oh my god, this is just like there's so much
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  Speaker 3: shades of that period of time, Like you know, Kimmipoi
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  Speaker 3: is like the New generations Temapara George, you know, Grace
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  Speaker 3: Neweki is like the new generations are in fan Dyke.
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  Speaker 3: And I was certain and actually I got a bit
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  Speaker 3: of PTSD from those years that we were getting pumped.
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  Speaker 5: And it's a good pointally.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good point you make because it's not
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  Speaker 4: it's probably not panic stations for the Australians when you
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  Speaker 4: think about the workload they've had, the mental dramas that
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  Speaker 4: they've had to go through and that energy that sort
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  Speaker 4: of takes. But it's where's the one that's been from
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  Speaker 4: New Zealand. It's probably more to the point, isn't it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I look with Grace Noweki. They didn't have her last year,
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  Speaker 3: did they. Wasn't she injured last year?
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  Speaker 4: She played half of the series and the two games
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  Speaker 4: she played they won.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, she's a piece of the puzzle.
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  Speaker 3: She's a huge piece of the pub, but she's not
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  Speaker 3: the only piece, right that the mid court movement.
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  Speaker 2: Is just spectacular defense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like amazing, right, and so like I think if
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  Speaker 3: you're going to get what was there a wing defense?
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  Speaker 5: She only got the MVP in the last game too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, So but I actually think if you're going
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  Speaker 3: to lose games, this is the time to do it.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, not the time to do it.
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  Speaker 3: This is the time to have anything exposed that you
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  Speaker 3: need to go and work on, because there is time.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, it's hard for the team, and it's awful.
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  Speaker 3: And I just watched them. I was just watching their
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  Speaker 3: faces in that last quarter, and I thought, the heart
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  Speaker 3: of the try at the moment the worst they get
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  Speaker 3: and sometimes happens when you're losing and you're trying so
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  Speaker 3: hard and you just you know, And so I really
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  Speaker 3: do feel for them, and losing is awful. I feel
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  Speaker 3: for Stacey Marinkovic and Nick Richardson. Losing is awful. It's
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  Speaker 3: horrible being questioned about why. But I feel like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's not it's not the time to panic, it's time
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  Speaker 3: to learn and go all right, this is not you know,
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  Speaker 3: just because we're not performing better than New Zealand in
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  Speaker 3: two twenty twenty four, that doesn't mean that that's exactly
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  Speaker 3: what's going to happen for the next three years.
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  Speaker 4: Fell credit to New Zealand though, because they have come
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  Speaker 4: from literally nowhere and.
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  Speaker 2: In the world is not nowhere, but yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 4: Considering where they consistently are, it's nowhere, like, isn't it.
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  Speaker 4: It's really is the out of the sticks that they've
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  Speaker 4: managed to emerge from. But Ekanazio's comments have been really
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  Speaker 4: interesting throughout this series because she said off the back
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  Speaker 4: of losing to England and then off the back of
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  Speaker 4: slipping in world rankings, they had these really deep, vulnerable,
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  Speaker 4: confronting conversations with each other, which we talked about after
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  Speaker 4: the AFL Grand Final, the Swan's having to do that,
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  Speaker 4: and that they really laid all their cards on the
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  Speaker 4: table and they had to be better and they had
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  Speaker 4: to find ways to be better, and they did that.
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  Speaker 4: So that first win she was really emotional because they
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  Speaker 4: desperately had to pull something out of the bag otherwise
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  Speaker 4: it was going to be dire straits in New Zealand
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  Speaker 4: netball and they've done that. So I think they've now
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  Speaker 4: inspired again the next generation, which is great to see too,
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  Speaker 4: because you don't want to see a powerhouse of the
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  Speaker 4: sports suddenly flying out the back door.
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  Speaker 6: No, and it was so I wouldn't mind.
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  Speaker 5: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: After the game, I watched the Kangaroos beat the New
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  Speaker 2: Zealand rugby league team. That felt a little bit better.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I got home last night and my son was like,
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  Speaker 3: but mum, we won the rugby league. I'm like rugby league,
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  Speaker 3: shmrugby league.
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  Speaker 2: I know, but you know. Take But we will talk
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  Speaker 2: about that. But there's been other disappointments this week. I'd
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  Speaker 2: like to talk about one of mine.
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  Speaker 5: Please.
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  Speaker 2: I've had a very had a hard day yesterday, very
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  Speaker 2: difficult for me, Darling.
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  Speaker 6: Are you okay? Well?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Before I get to that though, did you get
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  Speaker 2: a good parking space this morning?
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  Speaker 5: I did?
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  Speaker 2: Did you do a U turned across double y line?
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  Speaker 2: He's someone who was doing a legal turn to get
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  Speaker 2: that was it? And I walked past and saw you
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  Speaker 2: sitting in the car.
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  Speaker 5: You can't get parks around here?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: For you?
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  Speaker 6: The thing is too though.
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  Speaker 4: What's the rule about because I'm not fully in the
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  Speaker 4: that's illegal? No, aren't you allowed to be three quarters.
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  Speaker 2: In in terms of how much of your car is
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  Speaker 2: in the parking space, I can't give you an accurate answer.
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  Speaker 2: And that in terms of doing a U turn across
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  Speaker 2: a double why completely illegal, hundred percent certain you broke.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I had a look. There was no police around.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah I was there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a place you are to citizens care.
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  Speaker 6: But there was sergeant Swindle.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, and she does have handcuffs in a bag.
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  Speaker 5: As it turns out.
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  Speaker 2: That was not my disappointment that yesterday. So there's only
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  Speaker 2: a couple of times in your life, right that you
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  Speaker 2: get to do this particular thing. Go and buy a
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  Speaker 2: new water and can, right, So my mine fell apart,
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  Speaker 2: it's rusted through. So I went to buy a new
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  Speaker 2: water and can. I knew I wanted nine liters, and
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  Speaker 2: I thought, I'm going to buy the water in can
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  Speaker 2: of my dreams. I'm going to invest I'm going a
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  Speaker 2: really good one, because you know how many more of
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  Speaker 2: these will I buy in my life? So I went
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  Speaker 2: to somewhere that alleges that lower prices are just the beginning,
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  Speaker 2: but thinking thinking that they would have a huge range
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  Speaker 2: of beautiful water in cans. You can buy a teeny
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  Speaker 2: tiny pretty watering can or you can buy an ugly
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  Speaker 2: large nine liter water in can. So it was either
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  Speaker 2: plastic or just galvanized steel. And I had to go
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  Speaker 2: with the ladder. And I just don't look at me
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  Speaker 2: like that. You don't judge me.
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  Speaker 4: I would like to get in my head my understand
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  Speaker 4: what is your understanding of what it was going to
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  Speaker 4: look like.
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  Speaker 2: I thought there might be one that would be like red,
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  Speaker 2: maybe with some flowers on it or something like. The
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  Speaker 2: little ones were pretty. They were a little pretty ones and.
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  Speaker 4: Not prepared to do trips back and forth with the LT.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think therefore, you know that's like the Gilmore
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  Speaker 2: girls watering herbs on the kitchen window sill, like I'm
• 8:01
  Speaker 2: out like a big tree. Well, no, this is, but
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  Speaker 2: it's my vegetables that I move around in the gross
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  Speaker 2: sacks around the yard so I could get the hose out.
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  Speaker 2: But just you know, it's the watering can. They're tiny
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  Speaker 2: little seedlings at the moment.
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  Speaker 6: Do you think do you think it's sexist? Right?
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  Speaker 3: Do you think like the pretty water in cans are
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  Speaker 3: little because the ladies can only carry a little.
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  Speaker 6: Water in can?
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  Speaker 2: Now? I do damn right?
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  Speaker 6: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: Is there a bit of that in that and then
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  Speaker 3: the big water in cans. Well that's for the blokes.
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  Speaker 2: That's that and they don't want it to so and
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  Speaker 2: my daughter on the way home, when I was expressing
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  Speaker 2: how upset I was, said well, you could paint it,
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  Speaker 2: so you go to your room, like come on, or you.
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  Speaker 3: Could use a hose, as Catherine just said, like let's let's.
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  Speaker 6: Get to the name.
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  Speaker 5: She's looking at you similarly to feel supported.
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  Speaker 2: Do I feel like this is a safe space to
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  Speaker 2: talk about my personal trauma? No, not anymore, umpire, I'm
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: not feeling safe.
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  Speaker 4: Look, I get it, I get it, just not with
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  Speaker 4: a watering can. Yeah, and what the goldilocks of watering can?
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  Speaker 2: This is the thing. It's like, you don't buy these
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  Speaker 2: things very often in your life. So now what will
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: happen is I'll walk past some market and I'll see
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  Speaker 2: something perfect next week. Yes, I can't buy it.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: You got the gloves I do?
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  Speaker 5: Are they pretty gloves? Are they manly?
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  Speaker 2: No, they're just they're just gloves. They're not manly, they're
• 9:14
  Speaker 2: just gloves.
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  Speaker 3: They're just I think you're going to either have to
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  Speaker 3: go to a market or to a fancy, shmancy nursery.
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  Speaker 3: Like I think if you want something specific, you got
• 9:23
  Speaker 3: to go to a specific space. But I am interested
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  Speaker 3: in the fact that you don't have a line item
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  Speaker 3: in your family budget that allows you just buy one
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  Speaker 3: more water and can.
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  Speaker 6: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: I could, but I don't want to have stuff Like
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but my house is overrunning
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: with stuff. We have so much stuff. I just want
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: to buy less and use less and have less stuff.
• 9:44
  Speaker 3: But is Lewis like you know how I was Lewis sixteenth, So.
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: He doesn't have his own water and can yet he'll
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  Speaker 2: need to No, I say.
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  Speaker 6: Well, he's got to earn. Say he's got to earn
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  Speaker 6: that that's a privilege. Is not right? I do?
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  Speaker 3: Like do I go through about this every year? My
• 10:01
  Speaker 3: kids wardrobes and all the stuff in our place.
• 10:04
  Speaker 6: I just throw bucket loads.
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  Speaker 5: All question are they when you do it?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 6: Of course, not right.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm just wondering, at what point do your kids
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  Speaker 3: know that you're doing that to them? Like everyone's going
• 10:14
  Speaker 3: to start to twig pretty soon. But she's got so
• 10:17
  Speaker 3: much stuff that when I clear out stuff, she has
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: no idea that stuff's gone.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm at the stage now where I need to
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  Speaker 2: completely respect my son's privacy or be prepared to be shocked.
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  Speaker 2: So he's sixteen, that's your.
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  Speaker 5: ROOMMATEE go to the privacy. Yes, that's what I.
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  Speaker 2: How was your weekend you two were in wa.
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  Speaker 5: I went over early.
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  Speaker 4: I was there on Thursday and just ate and drank
• 10:45
  Speaker 4: and went to the beaches and did great walks and
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  Speaker 4: caught up with Sue Gordian and.
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  Speaker 2: It was good fun, fantastic.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And then I got to the hotel before the game
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  Speaker 4: Eve and I had room servers at five and went
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  Speaker 4: to bed at seven.
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  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 11:00
  Speaker 4: I was ready to rock the next day. Australia went
• 11:03
  Speaker 4: sadly but anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Well, but that you going to had room set us
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  Speaker 2: at five? That was like eight o'clock by your body clock,
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  Speaker 2: wasn't it.
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  Speaker 6: Well.
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  Speaker 4: I had been there for a couple of days, so yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you probably can't do that any longer.
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  Speaker 5: Anyway, No, I was just tired. I did a good
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  Speaker 5: couple of.
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  Speaker 4: Days prior, so it was good fun and Elizabeth was
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  Speaker 4: working though, weren't you.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I was a bit But I also took Matthew
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  Speaker 3: over with me because he has been a single father
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  Speaker 3: with two children for most of this year. And his
• 11:27
  Speaker 3: best friend lives in West Australia. He is married to
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  Speaker 3: one of my friends who I met at the AIS.
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  Speaker 3: So she's a netballer and does a heap of coaching
• 11:36
  Speaker 3: and stuff down south. And so yeah, I took Matthew
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  Speaker 3: over and we just had a nice weekend and did
• 11:41
  Speaker 3: a bit of what you did, Catherine, just not with you,
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  Speaker 3: so eating, drinking, going to the beach, having.
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  Speaker 6: A nice time.
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  Speaker 3: And then I did have lots of meetings, but you
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  Speaker 3: know that's part and pastor of the job.
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  Speaker 4: And you had a great great seats too. I noticed
• 11:54
  Speaker 4: I got a little tap on the shoulder from your
• 11:56
  Speaker 4: husband as he strolled past me and sat in his
• 11:59
  Speaker 4: fancy little box. My friends, whoever, however, I got tickets for,
• 12:03
  Speaker 4: were in actually the last row in the nosebleed section.
• 12:05
  Speaker 5: So clearly your con.
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: Stadium, though, isn't it like there's a bad seat there.
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  Speaker 5: I was going to But I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Really glad I didn't actually come to me.
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  Speaker 3: But it's a great I was going to do that too, but.
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  Speaker 6: No, it is a great stadium.
• 12:22
  Speaker 3: It's I reckon, it's one of the best netball stadiums
• 12:25
  Speaker 3: in the country. Just it's it's not just the size
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: and number of people.
• 12:29
  Speaker 6: You can have in there.
• 12:30
  Speaker 3: It's like the gradient of the stands because you do
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: feel like the crowd is right on.
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  Speaker 6: Top of you.
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: And every game that I've been in in there is
• 12:39
  Speaker 3: just is just fantastic.
• 12:41
  Speaker 5: And how's the new big jumbo tron thing in the middle.
• 12:43
  Speaker 5: Did you see that?
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  Speaker 6: Oh it's awesome.
• 12:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's double sided.
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: May imagine that they didn't have that. They had at
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: the Fever Giants game I went to is an inflatable
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: pig flying round, which is fantastic because they've got the Fever.
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: I've got a pork sponsor, so they have a flying
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: pig and it's like, well, I'm just going to look
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: at that. I'm going to pay a ten to a
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  Speaker 2: flying pick.
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  Speaker 3: I sat there, Yeah, I sat there on Sunday. I thought,
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  Speaker 3: what's missing?
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  Speaker 6: Here? A fly.
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  Speaker 2: Nineteen goals, that's what's missing or.
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  Speaker 6: A flying pick?
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  Speaker 3: You can have one or the other.
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  Speaker 6: What do you want?
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  Speaker 5: Do you know?
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  Speaker 4: What was great though, is Sue Gordion was dropping me
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  Speaker 4: at my hotel after I'd finished hanging out with her,
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  Speaker 4: and we went past the new Netball Center, which I
• 13:24
  Speaker 4: haven't seen in Wa yet because I haven't been there
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  Speaker 4: for a year and a half and just you know,
• 13:28
  Speaker 4: try to avoid netball courts when I can. Anyway, we
• 13:31
  Speaker 4: drove past it. She goes, you want to quickly pop
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  Speaker 4: in and I'll show you around the new facilities. I
• 13:34
  Speaker 4: was like, amazing.
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  Speaker 5: We walk in there.
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  Speaker 4: She had completely forgotten and I was obviously unaware that
• 13:39
  Speaker 4: the Diamonds had an open training session and that was
• 13:42
  Speaker 4: odd at the time. So there was three hundred people
• 13:45
  Speaker 4: in there watching this session. The Diamonds training, but also
• 13:48
  Speaker 4: the nineteen seventy one World Cup team had all got
• 13:53
  Speaker 4: together and so they they are amazing and they always
• 13:56
  Speaker 4: make an effort to get together and catch up. All
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  Speaker 4: the time they were all sitting down on the baseline
• 14:01
  Speaker 4: watching the training. Then they had a function that night.
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  Speaker 4: They all went to the game the next day and
• 14:05
  Speaker 4: caught up, and so I went over to have a
• 14:07
  Speaker 4: chat with them. Gay Teed she was at the institute
• 14:10
  Speaker 4: when you were their list was she she was my coach?
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I saw gay before the game on Sunday,
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: So it was interesting. It was amazing you going off
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: to tell your mind, it was so nice.
• 14:18
  Speaker 5: To see them. Gay Teed has not changed at all.
• 14:21
  Speaker 6: She is amazing.
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: Right. So gay Tea was the captain of that nineteen
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: seventy one team and when I got to the AIS,
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: she was the head coach. One of the first things like,
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: she caught us him for a team meeting and we
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: were all, oh my god, gay Teed's a legend. You know,
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: she captain Australia, she coached Australia. She was this unbelievable
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: legend of the game. And she caught us him for
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: a meeting and we were like, what's she going to
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: tell us? Like, is she going to tell us the
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: meaning of life according to netball or this is a
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: secret to playing for the Australian netball team. We walked
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: in and it was our first day at the AIS,
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: and she goes, Ladies, before I talked to you about
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: anything about netball, I'm going to say, welcome to the AIS.
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: It's the smallgas board of men down here, so't make
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: me easy.
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: And did you listen to that advice?
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: No, of course I did not dine dull a cart
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: the whole time.
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: And I had the whole cheese cut.
• 15:13
  Speaker 6: Yes, Oh god. There's so many stories.
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: But so they are at the function, the pre match
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: function on Sunday night, and Day had her blazer on
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: from nineteen seventy one.
• 15:22
  Speaker 6: So not only has she not changed like.
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: Her face physically, she still looks like she could run
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: out and play, so she had her blazer on.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: I would n't up take that blazer off.
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: Ever.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: If I was her felt still feting into something that
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: I was given fifty years ago when I was a
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: professional athlete, I would be showing off so much that.
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: The face that you played for Australia, Oh whatever.
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And she looked well, she looks like she could
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: still play right. And when she was at the Institute
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: of Sport, when she was coaching us, she's to get
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: into our gym sessions with us.
• 15:56
  Speaker 6: She was amazing.
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: So she spoke and you know, it was so lovely
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: to see them all and I thought, gosh, that's what
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: Netbun gives you, right, these great group of friends. Whether
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: it's mum's team that you play with, or mates that
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: you've played with from school or the Diamonds, it's still
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: the same thing, right, It's that fond of friendship.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: And see, I told you it's the same as playing
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: for the Diamonds.
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: Totally is.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: But the best thing about Gay is I remember she
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: was my coach at the AIS, but also in Perth.
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: She loves swimming, she loves the suns. Anytime we tour
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: it would be to the Caribbean, to Glasgow.
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: No way, let's go to Jamaica, all right, Oh.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: That's so funny as opposed to Yeah. But and it
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: was just like it was just so much. It was
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: so lovely to see them and they're all still so
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: passionate about the game, and you know, they were talking
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: and one of them said, so Gordon interviewed them all
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: and it was so lovely to stand there and listen.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: And one of them said that she gets so nervous
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: watching the Diamonds games. And I thought, is that amazing?
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: Love We're all the same. You'll get the sideline you're nervous.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Like I felt sick at halftime on Saturday night when
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: it was really closer than as the game blew out.
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: I just felt so sorry for the team. But it
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: was lovely.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Stella Northy so Stella and marg Molina. So mag Molina
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: is now on the Netbor Victoria board and she was
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: our team manager for a long time, yes Simon's and
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: we had so much fun with that. Stella and Marg
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: were the first sisters to ever play for Australia. So
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: what like a massive thing for them. But even better
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: than Gay turning up in her blaze up Stella Northy
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: turned up fifty three years later after she first wore
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: it in her walkout uniform at the back in the day,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: your walkout uniform was your former uniform, right, so when
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: you go to events, and they used to have to
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: wear it, like, you know, you gotta wear it for
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: the opening ceremony. And so she had traveling she had this.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: It was a yellow or gold jacket, buttoned down jacket,
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: long sleeve, long gold skirt to just pass the knees, stockings, shoes,
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: a little.
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: Handbag, white gloves, yellow hat.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: It was so amazing the fact that a she still
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: has it and b she still fits into it.
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: It was phenomenal. And so she was wondering.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: Around this function and Gay had a blazer on and
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: it was just the best thing. You know, Marg was there,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: and Marg's just got story after story after story. But
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: I've had to tell her to stop telling stories about
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: us on tour COTSI thank you responsible jobs. But yeah,
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: so it was so good to see them and they're
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: all still contributing to the sport.
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: You know, E was.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Marillo is on the Netball Austray History and Traditions Committee.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: You know Marg's involved at Netball Vick. They're all contributing
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: to the sport and they're all just such amazing leaders
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: within the sport.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: When I was chatting with them at the venue, they
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: were saying that they were going to wear their uniforms
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: to the function, and I said, I'll only be impressed
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: if one of you rocks up and you've got your
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: playing uniform on. But they had to give them back
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: so that none of them have a playing uniform. They
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: all had to give their tunics back for the next
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: team to wear the next year.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Which is real women's sports.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: I know, but it Isn't that really sad because I've
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: got a storage in it, specifically for all my Aussie
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: crap that I just can't bring myself to throw out.
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: I reckon, I've got forty five uniforms in one bag.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah that's not I've got a spare room for that.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: When we built the house, I was like, I need
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: a room put all my netball stuff in, and I
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: don't know what I'm.
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: Going to do with it.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Occasionally the kids get it out and they want to
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: wear it like a shirt or something to school. But
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: I kind of bring myself. Actually I had to bring
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: myself to throw out. I went through and throw out
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: all of my tracksuit bottoms because I thought, that's got
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: three hundred pair of bottled green tracksuit bottoms and I
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: don't have any insignia on them, and you know there's
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: someone who could be wearing them instead. But I've kept
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: all my jackets and some playing uniforms and that sort
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: of thing.
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: But yeah, that is a tragedy. Actually it is really.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Back then, they used to wear like a white shirt
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: and a gold chinnit with a belt. Yes and yes,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: and here's how old I am. That's what I wore
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: when I started playing Network.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Oh yes, I don't believe I need a photo of that,
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: like a fato of that too.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Have you got a permera?
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: This is well before the per Mira. I didn't get
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: permsed until I was six old.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: You did, did you really?
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: I did?
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: I played for I played your gobby smacked. I played
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: for quite any result.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: It's a real backhanded You're not that old. It's like, well,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: clearly I am and Wow, Yeah.
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: No, I had wore a Green Hills Network club.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: It was a green shirt and a white beige tunic
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: with a little belt. And then all I was all,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: I just couldn't wait to be twelve when I got
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: to wear the plated skirt, the zip skirt.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: It's so good and you knew your time for a
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: new one. And you could barely get the velcrow done.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: You funny because I did a bit clean out of
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: my uniforms as well, and kept the important bits, like
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: the bits that have the crest on them and stuff
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: like that. But I had thrown a stack out. And
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: I remember Jan troy our Swift's managering me one day
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: and Catherine, are you trying to sell your stuff on whatever?
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: It was only.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: Trying to sell myself on it on only events. No,
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: it was on eBay. She said, are you trying to
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: sell your tracksuits on EVA? And I'm like, God, no,
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: not at all. But so what had happened is I
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: had given them some binnies. Someone had gone in there
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: and got them and then trying to flog them off
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: and make a bit of extra cash on eBay.
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: That's fantastic, it's smart. I think they probably got a
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: couple of bucks for it.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: So that's netball. Then I want to talk about netball now,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: so I want to talk about some stuff that's been
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: going on in the chat. So this is the beauty
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: of not going to the game, is that I sit
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: there on Facebook all night with the dribblers, which is great.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: And I will say netbull chat, there are nepple chats
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: and then there are netball chats, and we have a
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: nice positive space where people are disagreeing with one another respectfully.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Not everyone's agreed. Not even everyone's agreeing with me, which
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: I find startling. But anyway, but some of the other
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: netball chats, it has been viled. They've had to shut
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: stuff down. It's been extremely rude about the umpires, and
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I think we should have a conversation about the umpiring
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: of that game the other night. But you know, it's
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: actually just been vile and it hasn't reflected particularly well
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: on us as Australian netball fans.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: I would have to say.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: I'm having said that, though I will say that it's
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: not just netball fans.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Of course, not of course not, but.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: I think it's more of a social media thing.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah it is, but I'm very happy to say that
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: the notable Facebook page remains a place for civilized discussion
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: and disagreements. One thing I have noticed, though, is a
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: lot of people want to make selections based on the
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: sun Corps super Netple team that they happen to support.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: It's there.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: We are very tribal. Yes, fortunately Stacey Marinkovic doesn't seem
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: to happen. Whatever are you the ben so I'm going
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: to pick you?
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: Well, you did have the majority of the Vixens on
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: it one time and that didn't work. So is that
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: what the Vixen's fans were calling for?
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Some Vixen's fans prefer the Vixen's players. Thunderbirds plans prefer
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: the Thunderbirds players. But you must have been pleased.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: Oh my god.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: I actually got a little normal, let's not say, choked up,
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: but I wanted it to be a special moment. It's like,
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: everyone just be quiet. Let Georgie how just.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: Come on and just have a good game.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: And she got up and there's a photo Hannah Hollis,
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: our host, talk of me with a piece of paper
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: on the head.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: Like, oh my god, oh my.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: Because Georgie is coming on. Just like the stress of
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: it because I felt like a mum. It's a big moment.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Imagine when Harper goes to a formal it's going to
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: be a crisis, but it will be is the paper
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: over the head, like the people who think that alfa
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: oyl hat will protect them from five gene.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Now it's just like, oh my god, it's happening and
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: I just must have been holding it. I don't even know,
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: but how awesome to see her finally take to the court.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: And tough situation to have to do it in. But
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: I guess the good thing is that's one tick Diamond's
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: number one ninety three has made an appearance, and I
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: reckon there'll be a fair big cleaning of the benches
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: in Test four.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Oh I think so, so.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: Potentially there's another one coming up.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: Anyway, I saw her after the game and of course
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: BE lined over to a little happy snap with her
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: and her dad sent me a beautiful message, just you know,
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: thanking for support.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: Orge Yeah, Porge, Yeah, Rob Hi Rob. He's a big fan.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: But I thought although it was a really difficult circumstance
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: for her to come on to, I thought she did
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: really well and it was great to see because the
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: ferns obviously haven't had as much time to work out
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: how she plays, so she was able to really create
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: some space in that mid court for a few minutes.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: And then I think they worked it out. But I
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: thought she took her opportunity and did well with it,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: and I was very happy for her.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you see players come on in that moment and
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: the moment overwhelms them and they go into their shell
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: a bit. And whereas you could see her just for
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: all the pressure that you felt, Catherine, she clearly just
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: was enjoying the moment. Yeah, So she didn't feel that pressure, right,
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: She just was like, he's a kid who's right in
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: the moment, who just had a big smile on her face,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: and you know she's coming in a really tough circumstance,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: but she didn't seem to come in with, oh my god,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: the weight of this game is on my shoulders. So
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: it was really Yeah, it was super exciting. I was
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: watching right behind you and I saw Cat TULVARDI pick
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: up your wrists.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: But what you would have heard in commentary is is
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: that Kat claimed she's actually the head of the Georgie
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Horges fan club, and it's like, oh, these girls could
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: have a SmackDown, do.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: You know what?
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: I was about to go the SmackDown, but I thought no,
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: let's not overshadow Georgie.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I think, where.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Did you get that filter from? Can I buy one?
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: But it was really cute.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: We had Georgie Horges in the press conference after the
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: game and you know, asked her about the moment and
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: she said, it's one of those things that I've been
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: dreaming of since i was a little girl, which I
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: think just goes to show how young she is, right
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: because back when we played, we didn't really have netball
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: on the pedestal, that wasn't on the television. It's not
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: something you aspired to from when you were a young kid.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: But clearly she's been able to do that and always
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: looked up to the Aussie girls and playing at that level.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: So that was really cute, so.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Cute, amazing. A lot of questions about where the umpires
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: should come from. Now, obviously in all international sports you
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: have umpires that come from countries where the teams are
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: not playing, which seems like a reasonable premise to me.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: It's reasonable except for and I'm not going to bag
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: the two the three umpires have had this series.
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: You know, Gary Burgess has been around for a long time.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Constellation came, I reckon, He even umpied me how it is?
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: When were you wearing the yellow tunic over the white shirt.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: No, no, he's not that old, younger than me, but
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: so and these are these are experienced umpires, right, But
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: there is a difference in speed between when you get
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: up to this international level that potentially takes a little
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: while to get used to. So you know, these umpires,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: I don't think for a second that you can blame
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: the umpires at all for the loss.
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: Right, If you lose, you've lost. And you know, I
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: used to when I was playing. I used to hate
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: as much as I didn't.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: I used to chafe against the umpires please when they
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: pulled me up for stuff that I clearly didn't do.
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: I used to chafe against.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Blaming the umpires, right, because the moment you blame the umpires,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: you actually take you actually give up control.
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: Of the results.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: So if you say it's all the umpires five, right,
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: then you're saying I actually can't control this result. You
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: planted the umpires, and I think they were certainly fair
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: across the board, like there was consistency. Whether you agree
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: with the particular call, it was consistent across the board.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: And you know Australia are always going to give away
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: more penalties simply because we play a very different style
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: of defensive game. Right, if you're off the body, you're
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: probably not going to give away a penalty. So that's
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: I think from a technical point of view, they did
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: their job. I do think that if so, going back
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: to blaming the umpires, I used to hate it because
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: it meant that you were just saying I'm not going
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: to get any better. And I have no doubt that
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: the Australians aren't blaming the umpires.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: No, there's not many diamonds in the dribble chat room
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: this week.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I actually don't know about it. Let's send them
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: a friendly remander.
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah that's true.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Right, So I can guarantee you that Sacey, Marinkovich and
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Hurtan will be looking at everything they can do within
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: their control to make the outcome different on Wednesday night.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: I think that though it does raise this really interesting
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: question about about neutrality. And you know, early on in
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: my test career when we played New Zealand, we would
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: have one Australian umpire and one New Zealand umpire would
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: be one from Excited. And then there was a controversy
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: after the ninety five World Cup or something like that,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: and it went to it's an international rule now that
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: it has to be neutral umpires. So that means when
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: New Zealand play anyone else but Australia, they tend to
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: get in Australian umpires. When we play anyone else but
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: New Zealand, we're getting New Zealand umpires. And then when
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Australia and New Zealand player, you have umpires from England
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: or South Africa and or there were some Caribbean umpires
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: there for a little while, and so you do get
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: umpires who you haven't seen before and who you don't
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: really know about, and we haven't seen before, right, and
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: so you had a different style of umpiring.
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: That's all there is to it.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: But I think the sport has to at some point
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: have a conversation about are we mature enough to say that, yeah,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: you can have you can be umpired by somebody from
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: within your own own country, because I think to say
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: not is probably impugning the umpires. Well, I think it's
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: like you're saying to the umpires, No, you can't be trusted,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: whereas I think like the umpires at our level now,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: whether they're from Australia, New Zealand, England, of course they
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: can be trusted. Right, So I know that they're under
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: scrutiny and you know they're going to actually just do
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: their job as umpires rather than go, oh, what do
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: I need to do to help my team win? So
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: I think you know, that's probably a discussion that we
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: should be able to have.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I absolutely agree with you. It's like these are
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: people who are professional people doing a job. I don't
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: think they're out there going I'm part of the Australian
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: yeer squad and I'm going to do it I can.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: I didn't love the umpiring in that last game. I
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: thought there was stuff a whole lot that stopped the
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: passage of play and that didn't act affect the game.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: If had they let it go, would not have affected
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: the game the outcome, but just made it a much
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: more stop start thing. And I know there's a lot
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: of talk about whether they can count to three three seconds.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: I think it's a difficult one for the umpires because
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: there was also a lot of talk around. Does the
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: umpiring change when you get to Australia, from New Zealand
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: to Australia, because it is just different.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: And I was like, no, I don't. I don't think
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: that's the case.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: But I think it's tough for them because when the
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: physicality ups, which my god did in Perth, but it
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: was fair, it was both ways. They want a level
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: of control and not letting it get out of control.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: And then I think you start to see a lot
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: more of that random whistle blown when maybe it's just
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: around the timing of when the whistle is blown, because
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: you've got to stay on top of it, right.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: You can't let it be a free for all. And
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: it was getting heated.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: There were plenty of There's plenty of shit going on
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: off the ball. My god, you could see that all
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: over the court. But that's the beauty of internet netbat
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: I's probably love.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: It so much.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Interesting. What about having the same umpires for all games
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: in a series.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: Well, they had a pool of three and they rotated
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: every game, so there wasn't at least one umpire that
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: did two games. Yeah, so it wasn't exactly the same
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: every time, but yeah, yeah there is.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: But if you're going to bring umpires out from England,
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: you've got to have a spare umpire, right, so you've
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: got to in case if someone gets injured or something happens.
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: Collaborate, you need to reserve.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: And if you bring them like give them exposure to
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: our game and to New Zealand's game. So you know
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: there's a bit in that. But at the end of
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: the day, the umpiring had.
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: No bearing on the result.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: What about Test four? Then?
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Where's our heads out with Test four? Because like I
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: said before, I think there's going to be a real
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: clearing of the benches, particularly for New Zealand because they
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: have not changed their starting seven much, maybe like five
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: six minutes here and there.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: Those girls are exhausted.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: I saw Amelia Ana Canazio in the Corners Club just
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: about to leave Perth yesterday day before and said, how
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: are you going? She's We're absolutely shattered. But then I
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: saw Paris Mason asked the same question.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: She has no, Yeah, we're good because she's not played.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: So I feel like, when you get to Test four
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: the series wrapped up, will New Zealand think about something else?
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: And it was really interesting.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: Nollene tabor Or in the press conference afterwards, said that
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: that will be a discussion. The way they play test
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: for will be a discussion between herself and the leadership group.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Not about whether they throw the game, because obviously I
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: think they're still intention to win, but whether they take
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: a different standpoint or a different view as to how
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: they line up for the game.
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: And it's interesting, isn't it, because they'll be thinking, do
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: we take the opportunity to see who.
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: Can do what out there?
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Like this is the game where they've got the series
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: wrapped up, they've shown what they're totally capable of doing.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Do you say, now, all right, Paris or whoever, you
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: step out there and you show us what you can
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: do for a full match against the against you.
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: You know, the number one team in the world.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Or do you say now in a World Cup you're
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: all playing tired and I want you to see what
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: you can do when you're tired and see how fay
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: you can dig in And we actually are going to
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: take this opportunity to beat Australia for milk because.
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: That's what we want to do.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: It's never happened, no, right, So are you looking at
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: your own team in your own team's development and if
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: there's two ways to do that, one is to blood
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: more players. Too is to say to the players who
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: are tired, now's the time to see.
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: What your mental reserves are like.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Or do you look to the opposition and say, well,
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: do you want to give them sniff that actually they
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: might be able to beat us in the future, or
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: or do you say no, we're actually.
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: Going to keep our foot on your throat.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: I think that's a really interesting thing that they're going
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: to have to weigh up.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: I think the really important part for New Zealand that
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: they should do is they've got to get a different
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: goal shoot. If they're without an Awiki going forward, they
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: have to make a change and see what they're capable
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: of doing. Because Wilson's the only one that's had any
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: court time it was like five minutes. Wormsley's not played
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: at all. She didn't even play any of the England series,
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: but she's the future of the sport. If Niki's not there, so.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Is not there for at least one Yes, so got
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: to happen. Well, for what it's worth, Stacy and Noline,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: I would be giving the older ones arrest and giving
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: a whole lot of younger ones an opportunity to see
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: what they could do. But I have promised the dribblers
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: that I will tip New Zealand for this game. So
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: apparently that is the only way that will be broken.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: It's not the umpires, it's not the payers.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: At least competent host of Not Dribble podcast tipping. So
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: and this does not play well to my ego because
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: it makes me think I control the universe with my mind.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: But anyway, that's what I'd be doing. Okay, now I
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: want to talk about something. This is this one. She's
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: a maid of yours, so I'm going to take the
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: lead on this one. A lot of people saying Briani
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Acle shouldn't be coaching for New Zealand. My view is
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: brianiy Akle is a professional coach and if we want
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: her coaching for Australia, we should find the money and
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: hire her, and that she should be doing whatever she
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: can to improve herself as a professional coach and in
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: doing so, one day, if she's the Diamonds coach, we're
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: all going to benefit from it.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: I agreed. I couldn't agree more.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: It's funny because I caught up with Briani in Perth
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: we're staying at the same hotel. And she said that
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: a lot of people have said traitor to her as
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: there been walking past. I think quite a few people
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: that know her within the rank. So it's a little
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: bit in jest, but she said it also hits home.
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: Of course it does.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: Like it also does you know, it upsets to a degree.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: But of course she's like, if they want me coaching
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: in Australia, love to love.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: To show me the money. Yeah, what she meant to
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: do sit around and pass up these professional opportunities I
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have thought.
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: So there is a process that she went through.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: So it's not like she just goes like she's got
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: to get a dispensation from their ball Australia to do that.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: And you know, the bigger picture is her development, right
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: because you still want her bringing that knowledge that she
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: gets back into the Australian pathway and she does that
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: right then she comes back in and she coached as
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: a swift. I did see her on Sunday night and
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: I gave her a hug and I said, I hate you.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: She must be salivating though, because not only is the
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: team that she's coaching getting the winds up, but she's
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: also looking at her future recruit next year.
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: I can't wait to get my hands on her.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: So it would be interesting though, like for Paige and
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: for Sarah seeing their club coach on the bench for
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: the Silver Firs. But yeah, that's the nature of sport,
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: right And I think you know, Brian would have expected it,
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: you know, when she when she took the job. And
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: I think the opportunity to learn under someone like Nola
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: and Tara.
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: And I've said this before.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: She's like, she plays in a whole other dimension from
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: the rest of us immortals.
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: She's thinking so far ahead.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: She's like this chess grandmaster, and so Brian for one
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: of our top coaches to go in to learn from
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: that and to come back and then you know, who
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: knows what will happen into the future.
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: But she certainly then gets to put that into our system.
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: I think you've got to do it.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: Funny you mentioned Paige Hadley and Sarah Cloud because I
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: was thinking about them as well, but more so to
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: the point that they're in a team that's struggling and
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: the person that they would love to go and vent
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: to or chat to or whatever is Briny, But they
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: got I think you're doing such a great relationship with her,
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: and she knows the game obviously inside and out. That's
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: the one person that's right there. They can't go and
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: have a chat within that environment.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: And it really is a professionalism of our sport, right,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: We've got to have these really uncomfortable moments as we
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: move towards the idea that everyone is professional. You know
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: that your players are professional, your coaches are professional, your
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: umpires are professional. Right, And that's the conversation we had before.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: So there's all these growing pains that you have to
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: go through, and I think we can have really nuanced
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: conversations about, Okay, where does what's your decision making matrix,
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: what do you allow, what do you actually say no to?
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: And how do we navigate it? And we're all learning
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: through this.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: So one of the most important things we do in
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: this podcast every week is to acknowledge those people who
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: keep our game alive at the community level, and again
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: we rely on you, dear Dribblers, to nominate those people
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: who are doing that wonderful job. A few weeks ago,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: we nominated Niki Komoy Buckley for her work in jollying
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: the party along at our live event and making everyone
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: feel welcome and included. She has given us the teeny tiniest, friendliest,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: warmest correct rap on the knuckles because in so doing
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: we missed fifty percent of that team. So let's have
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: a listen to a nomination from NICKI. I want to
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: nominate Sharon Buckley.
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: Sharon is a supervan of Netble. Not only she spent.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Most of her life playing indoor and outdoor, she is
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: a B badged umpire who has helped coach a mentor
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: many others with their badging. She's also coached indoor, outdoor
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: and school netple and has made many last long friends
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: through the sport. She's retired now due to a wonderful
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: thing called age and injuries, but continues to be a
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Grade five Napple stalker when it comes to watching and
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: following netple.
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: She's been watching Captain Lee since.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: They first started, will some of her most favorite players.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: We're blessed to enjoy many Netble adventures. We've been to
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Fast five in Melbourne, Diamonds Games, Swifts Games, and we have.
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: Foundation Giants members.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: We've been to both Centurion shows and we loved coming
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: to the No Dribble Live show. Not only getting to
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: meet Carolyn for the first time, but interacting with lots
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: of amazing dribblers. We saved the podcast up the weekends
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: where we can sit and enjoy the show. Sharon lives
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: and Breeze Netball and I couldn't think of a more
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: deserving person as a wind beneath their wings nomination as
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: an avid scrunchy wearer in support of our network teams.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: She will wear the new Dribble scrunchy with pride, Sorr
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Kath and on a personal note, I would love to
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: not have to share my scrunchy with her, So to
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: some up here, honor, please accept my nomination for Sharon Buckley,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: as she's not only the win beneath your wings, she's
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: also the win beneath mine.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Nikki, you are dead right, and Sharon,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: you are also the win beneath our wings. You join
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: the ranks of some twenty five other people now around
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: the world and now I have the address of our
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: wind beneath our winger in Liverpool. This is post office
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: for me, so expect for me to have a traumatic
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: story next week when we come in. Yes, even worse
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: than the watering canned story.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: I think home anyway.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: But one exciting thing that we have done in the
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: past week is we've been looking at designs for our
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: merchandise range, which will be going on sale sometime in November.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: We're going to have a really short sharp ordering period,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: and the plan is that it will be available for Christmas,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: for Christmas presents for yourself or for others. Yeah, but
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: that's fine. We're getting some No Dribble merch out by Christmas,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: just for that.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: Trying to finalize what color fluff to have on the
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: handcuffs and then.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: We'll be with you and the three of us have
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: been road testing the g strings, but we think that
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: they might not be for sale after.
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: Not the ones that we've been wearing any.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: You're paying more for that. On that note, I think
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: that we have descended into something quite ridiculous. So I
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: think we should sign off now for another week. This
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: has been No Dribble the podcast where we talk about
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: lizzellis is old Underwear now apparently as well as Nith Well,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: I'm Caroline Swindell.
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: I'm kath Cox. Go the Diamonds tonight. Come on, girl, Yeah,
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: come on, We're with you.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: We are with you.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: I second that emotion I'm lozells.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: See you guys have a great week.
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: Bye sounds like bye emotion.