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Credlin | 3 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandlin live on Skyingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Well, good evening, welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: I'm coming to you tonight from my old stomping ground,
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Speaker 3: our studio at Parliament House in Canberra, and it's been interesting,
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Speaker 3: to say the least, getting around the corridors again and
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Speaker 3: hearing what really is going on with talk of reshuffles
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Speaker 3: and early election and plenty on Fatima payment. Is what's
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Speaker 3: coming up tonight on Kredline. Panic spreads within labor as
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Speaker 3: the prospect of a Muslim vote movement looks even more likely,
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Speaker 3: potential candidates and donors now being canvassed. But I want
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Speaker 3: to know why set a Payment still receiving her salary
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Speaker 3: this week, given she's refusing to vote on any legislation
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Speaker 3: now outside of this place. If you don't turn up
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Speaker 3: to work, you don't get paid. Shock news today that
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Speaker 3: Australia has sent its smallest contingent in decades to the
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Speaker 3: important rim Pack military exercises, which have amer seen in name.
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Speaker 3: Officer says, will be noted by our potential adverstries and
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Speaker 3: our allies. But only does it send the wrong message,
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Speaker 3: but it underpins just how deficient our capability is Greg
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Speaker 3: Sheridan with more plus you won't believe how quickly the
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Speaker 3: ABC is a doctor the talking points of the nuclear naysayers.
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Speaker 2: Thankfully there's still.
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Speaker 3: Experts out there sorting fact from fiction. One such expert,
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Speaker 3: Australia's former nuclear chief Ady Patterson, was quick to call
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Speaker 3: out the ABC on their misinformation.
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Speaker 2: Now I've got that interview for.
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Speaker 3: You as well as doctor Patterson on the show and
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Speaker 3: a speculation of that early election keeps going potentially even September.
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Speaker 3: Cost of living concerns again dominated Parliament.
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Speaker 4: Why would the Prime Minister admit that he's three hundred
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Speaker 4: and fifteen billion dollar spending spree is driving home grown
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Speaker 4: inflation and threatening further interest rate increases into the future.
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Speaker 5: After three failed budgets, the Prime Minister has failed to
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Speaker 5: tackle and beat inflation, but first.
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Speaker 3: Again today in Canberra, the alban Easy government was desperate
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Speaker 3: to get its focus back on its one July handouts,
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Speaker 3: but still the focus remained on the now suspended likely
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Speaker 3: soon to depart labor Senator Fatima Payment. Even the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister all but admitting she's got a foot out the.
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Speaker 6: Door Senator payment.
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Speaker 7: Senator Payment, of course, has made a decision to place
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Speaker 7: herself outside the Labor Party. That's a decision that she made.
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Speaker 7: I expect further announcements in coming days which will explain
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Speaker 7: exactly what the strategy has been over now more than
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Speaker 7: a month.
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Speaker 3: There's a lot at stake in all the contention over
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Speaker 3: the twenty nine year old payment who sits in the
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Speaker 3: Senate on the back of a paltry personal vote of
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Speaker 3: less than two one thousand West Australia one thousand, six
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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty one votes to be exact. Obviously, there's
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Speaker 3: the general issue of whether MPs should be allowed to
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Speaker 3: cross the floor and matters they're passionate about, and whether
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister has bullied a junior colleague. Then there's
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Speaker 3: the issue itself of whose side Australia should be on
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Speaker 3: in the fight against the apocalyptic death cult Humus and
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Speaker 3: the liberal democratic state of Israel. And finally there's the
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Speaker 3: issue of whether mp should vote on the basis of
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Speaker 3: their religion or their judgment what's in Australia's national interest.
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Speaker 2: And I think that's.
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Speaker 3: The most important question of all, because the last thing
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Speaker 3: this country needs is sectarian voting and MPs who think
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Speaker 3: they're there to represent their faith rather than their country. Today,
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Speaker 3: Liberal Susan Lee accused the Prime Minister of trying to
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Speaker 3: pressure Senator Payment into towing the party line.
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Speaker 8: Have Labor Senator Fatima payments claim of being intimidated by
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Speaker 8: members of the Labor party been referred to the Parliamentary
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Speaker 8: Workplace Support Service.
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Speaker 3: With respect to the Liberal Deputy leader, that's nonsense. It's
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Speaker 3: a party leader's job to maintain discipline, and just because
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Speaker 3: Labour's discipline is extreme more though more so than other parties,
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Speaker 3: doesn't mean the Labor leaders shouldn't try and enforce it.
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Speaker 3: It is, after all, built on one hundred and thirty
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Speaker 3: years of labor history.
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Speaker 2: Payman knows the rules. She knew the rules when she
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Speaker 2: signed up.
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Speaker 3: To my mind, Anthony Albineze's failure for leadership has been
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Speaker 3: less about suspending Payment for her defiance and more about
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Speaker 3: his failure to make a sustained argument against the terrorist
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Speaker 3: state that Gaza has become. Because regardless of whether she
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Speaker 3: was supposedly exercising her conscience to do so, Payment's position
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Speaker 3: in favor of recognizing Palestine unconditionally and rewarding the October
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Speaker 3: seven terrorist atrocity is simply wrong. Doing what Payment insists
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Speaker 3: should be done, ends up rewarding Hamas and undermines our
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Speaker 3: decades long fight against terrorism. It matters to the Middle
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Speaker 3: East region, and as we can see with recent incidents
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Speaker 3: in Australia, it matters here at home too. Maybe Payment
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Speaker 3: should have a right to cross the floor. On my
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Speaker 3: side of politics, MPs have that right and it's one
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Speaker 3: of the biggest things that distinguishes the Liberal Party from Labor.
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Speaker 3: But that's not the Alp way and Payment knows it.
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Speaker 3: And it seems she's a willing pawn in a high
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Speaker 3: stakes game to embarrass Labor and open up a sectarian
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Speaker 3: front in this country where people will be encouraged to
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Speaker 3: vote on the basis of religious judgments rather than political ones,
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Speaker 3: and on the basis of religious identity rather than an
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Speaker 3: Australian identity.
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Speaker 2: In crossing the floor.
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Speaker 3: Payment was showing solidarity with the people of Gaza, not
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Speaker 3: the people of Australia. In other words, she's not thinking
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Speaker 3: as an Australian who happens to be of Afghan Muslim background.
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Speaker 3: She's thinking as someone for whom religious solidarity is the
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Speaker 3: key consideration.
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Speaker 2: But she's not alone.
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Speaker 3: As discussed here last night, a group called the Muslim Votes.
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Speaker 3: She's trying to get Muslim Australians to vote as Muslims,
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Speaker 3: not as Australians, but.
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Speaker 2: Just happen to have a particular religion.
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Speaker 3: This mob have even called for candidates to run against
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Speaker 3: labor ministers Jason Claire, his electorate is thirty two percent Muslim,
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Speaker 3: and Tony Burke, whose electorate is twenty five percent Muslim.
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Speaker 3: Like the Teals, only on the basis of religion rather
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Speaker 3: than climate. They want to punish the incumbent political party
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Speaker 3: and force it to change position by threatening to roll
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Speaker 3: it's sitting INPs. If all the Muslims heed this advice,
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Speaker 3: a religious vote could indeed unseat those ministers. The Muslim
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Speaker 3: Vote insists that it's not all about religious fanaticism. They
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Speaker 3: say they're worried about issues other than Gaza. But a
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Speaker 3: like minded Islamist body in Britain has published a series
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Speaker 3: of series of demands like Sharia compliant banking, essentially that
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Speaker 3: Muslims should be treated differently because of their religion, and
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Speaker 3: a like minded group here called Muslim Votes Matter also
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Speaker 3: insists that in I quote will cover a broad range
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Speaker 3: of issues, before stating it will and I quote again
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Speaker 3: highlight the most pertinent issue the Australian Muslim community faces
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Speaker 3: currently being Australia's foreign policy response to the growing aprocoities
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Speaker 3: in Gaza. Do you really think the most important issue
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Speaker 3: for Australian Muslims is not what's happening here, but what's
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Speaker 3: happening ten thousand miles away.
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Speaker 2: So here's the crux of the problem.
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Speaker 3: Islam doesn't really recognize the separation of church and state,
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Speaker 3: so it's very hard for Syria Muslims not to decide
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Speaker 3: things on a religious basis rather than a national interest one.
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Speaker 3: And the fact that Fatima Payman is reportedly talking to
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Speaker 3: the notorious preference whisperer Glenn Drury, who's famous for turning
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Speaker 3: tiny numbers of votes into disproportionate influence in the Parliament,
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Speaker 3: suggests that it's only a matter of time before we
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Speaker 3: have religious parties and a Muslim first Australia's second sort
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Speaker 3: of candidate in the Senate. And that is this Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister's real failure not to stand up for Australian values
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Speaker 3: than for the Australian way of making decisions because he's
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Speaker 3: scared of losing Muslim votes in Western Sydney.
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Speaker 2: Now it's weak.
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Speaker 3: It is so so weak, and yet again shows why
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Speaker 3: we have a bloke in the lodge.
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Speaker 2: Who is simply not up to it.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 3: I usually say don let's head to Canberra for the
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Speaker 3: new but I am here. Skin's political headlines will be
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Speaker 3: brought to us by Sky's political reporter Cam Reddin.
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Speaker 9: The Treasurer has introduced the first piece of the government's
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Speaker 9: Future Made in Australia Plan, what it hopes will be
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Speaker 9: a key pillar of its second term agenda.
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Speaker 10: The golden opportunity in front of us will disappear if
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Speaker 10: we don't take these steps.
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Speaker 9: The suite of grants, subsidies and incentives aims to supercharge
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Speaker 9: the green energy transition at a cost of almost twenty
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Speaker 9: three billion dollars over a decade.
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Speaker 2: Into smart no Regrets approach.
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Speaker 9: The plan's most contentious aspect, production tax credits for the
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Speaker 9: critical mineral sector, will form part of separate legislation in
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Speaker 9: the months ahead, and have earned the support of some liberals,
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Speaker 9: including the West Australian Liberal Party and federal MP Rick Wilson,
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Speaker 9: but not all are on board.
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Speaker 5: A lot of this going to subsidize and fund billionaires'
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Speaker 5: pet projects.
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Speaker 9: The Coalition is demanding a louder rebuke from the Parliament
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Speaker 9: over the desecration of war memorials.
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Speaker 10: This is a matter of significant importance.
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Speaker 9: Both major parties continuing their attacks on the Greens. After
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Speaker 9: one senator defended the protests as free speech.
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Speaker 4: Protest thing painting is a form of speech. I was
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Speaker 4: really really troubled by it.
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Speaker 6: Actually, they are a disgrace.
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Speaker 9: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 3: All right, let's bring in my panel, our senior reporter
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Speaker 3: Carolyn Marcus from Sydney and a very daper to nine
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Speaker 3: political reporter. I came red and here in Canberra. I'll
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Speaker 3: get to why you're looking so deaf to nine. I
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Speaker 3: don't think it's just because I've paid a visit to canbra.
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Speaker 3: I think we might have a midwinter ball on Time
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Speaker 3: dot with There you go, that's the right answer, is it? No,
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Speaker 3: it's the midwinter Ball for charity tonight. I want to
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Speaker 3: go if I can to Question Time today. There is
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Speaker 3: a political tussle about the narrative going on between the
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Speaker 3: two major parties. This is about who has got primacy
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Speaker 3: over deal with cost of living. The opposition is trying
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Speaker 3: to say the government's got a litanyar broken promises. The
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Speaker 3: government's putting it back on the opposition and saying, well, sure,
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Speaker 3: but what are you going to do about the issue,
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Speaker 3: So they're slugging it out at the moment. We know
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Speaker 3: there's an election in the offing, but the statistics are
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Speaker 3: not helping the government issues out today. Statistics out today
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Speaker 3: in relation to new business insolvency show nearly three thousand
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Speaker 3: building companies when bust in the last financial year, largely
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Speaker 3: due to cost blowouts. We're told, planning delays, labor shortages
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Speaker 3: and red tape. Now, Caroline, we are in the middle
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Speaker 3: of a housing crisis.
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Speaker 2: If you would.
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Speaker 3: Think one sector might actually be ahead financially, it would
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Speaker 3: be construction. But these stats say they are the largest
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Speaker 3: single category of insolvency. The government says we've got to
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Speaker 3: have a new home built every two minutes.
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Speaker 2: That's their target. It's certainly not going to happen before
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Speaker 2: the election, is it.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like ed P And at this rate,
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Speaker 1: Anthony ALBINIZI is going to have to call in Tom
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Speaker 1: Cruise because this is sounding like mission impossible to me.
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Speaker 1: It look, housing affordability is such a massive issue as
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Speaker 1: well as people trying to find homes to rent, and
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Speaker 1: with immigration levels going up and at a record high,
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Speaker 1: this is not going to help address the issue at all.
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Speaker 1: We know that there has been a twenty eight percent
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Speaker 1: increase in insolvencies in the construction industry in the past
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Speaker 1: financial year.
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Speaker 2: That's according to ASEX.
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Speaker 1: There's been a forty percent blowout in construction costs, which
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Speaker 1: of course is making it unsustainable for building companies. And
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Speaker 1: on top of all of that, the number of Australians
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Speaker 1: who are starting construction trade apprenticeships has dropped significantly in
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Speaker 1: the past year. So the election promise that the government
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Speaker 1: made to skill up more Australians so that they could
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Speaker 1: address this issue is not being realized either.
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Speaker 2: Far from it.
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Speaker 1: All of this bodes very badly for the housing supply
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Speaker 1: crisis that we're currently in.
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Speaker 3: I'll stay on housing cam we saw last week in
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Speaker 3: that deadly inflation data, housing remains a key driver, particularly
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Speaker 3: rental costs. New numbers out today show the cost of
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Speaker 3: rendering a homes hit a new high at hit the
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Speaker 3: high last month three point two percent for the quarter,
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Speaker 3: a ten point three percent jump for the twelve months
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Speaker 3: to June. Now every state, almost across the board, is
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Speaker 3: failing to deliver these new homes as promised. We've got to,
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Speaker 3: as we just discussed, these construction businesses going bust. We've
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Speaker 3: got the number of apprentices coming into the industry continuing
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Speaker 3: to fall. Now, for all their talk, this is a
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Speaker 3: huge metric on which labor isn't delivering.
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Speaker 9: And the government is still adam it's somehow peter that
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Speaker 9: it believes it's going to meet these targets.
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Speaker 2: Would you lay out those figures there?
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Speaker 9: You just don't see how the numbers stack up that
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Speaker 9: they're going to meet those targets, and that has to
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Speaker 9: have political implications. At some point, a third of Australians
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Speaker 9: are renting, and the share of that part of the
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Speaker 9: population that is drifting towards the Greens is only going up.
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Speaker 9: I think the last news pole that measured it on
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Speaker 9: that had about a third of renters voting for the Greens,
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Speaker 9: which is a far larger proportion than pretty much any
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Speaker 9: other section of society. At some point, and you look
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Speaker 9: at those figures there, you think, well, this just comes
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Speaker 9: down to basic numbers. At some point, all that really
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Speaker 9: matters is how many houses we're building, how many people.
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Speaker 9: We've got to build them, and both of those figures
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Speaker 9: are tracking way behind. When you look at figures like
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Speaker 9: I think it was forty two thousand apprentices joined last
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Speaker 9: year Young Australians. Okay, great, we need more of them,
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Speaker 9: but the estimate from many in the sector is we
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Speaker 9: need more like six hundred thousand by the end of
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Speaker 9: the decade. So it's a dend, but it's a really
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Speaker 9: small one and at some point people, well, the frustration
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Speaker 9: bubbles over. Peter and nine months from an election, this
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Speaker 9: far behind the targets. A lot of people that want
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Speaker 9: a house can't get one, and if they can get one,
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Speaker 9: they're spending so much that they've taken on loads of debt.
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Speaker 9: It's a really difficult situation and not a slow one,
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Speaker 9: not a quick one to fix.
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Speaker 3: I wonder who I touched on this last night. It's
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Speaker 3: certainly a hot talking point in Canberra today. This is
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Speaker 3: the Teal style campaign gaining traction in seats with large
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Speaker 3: Muslim populations, particularly in Melbourne and Western Sydney, to oursk
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Speaker 3: key labor ministers at the next election, the Muslim votes,
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Speaker 3: the mobs called and our canvasing for potential candidates, Donors
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Speaker 3: and supporters. Caroline, you've got stats in some of these
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Speaker 3: seats were a third.
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Speaker 2: Or a quarter of all the voters in Muslim.
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Speaker 3: Now they'll use Islamic schools and mosques to get their
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Speaker 3: messages out. And with those sort of big percentages, do
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Speaker 3: you think there's a danger that these seats will actually
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Speaker 3: change hands?
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Speaker 1: Well, I think no one could deny there is a
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Speaker 1: risk to these seats given the high proportion of Muslim
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Speaker 1: voters in those electorates. They'se only have the manpower to
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Speaker 1: get the message out. And many people who had been
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Speaker 1: very open to listening to how they could change things
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Speaker 1: up in Canberra and are Willan was out in Lakemba,
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Speaker 1: which is in Tony Burke's seat earlier today and she
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Speaker 1: reported that everyone she spoke to there said the issue
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Speaker 1: of Palestine would be front of mind when it came
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Speaker 1: to the next election. And this group Muslim Vote says
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Speaker 1: it's going to back at least three candidates, independent candidates
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Speaker 1: to target those labor seats. But Peter, I think what's
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Speaker 1: more concerning and dangerous here is the risk that and
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Speaker 1: the likelihood that these some of these ministers that you
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Speaker 1: mentioned will lurch to even more extreme anti Israel positions
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Speaker 1: because they're concerned about the threats to their own political careers,
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Speaker 1: and not because it's the right moral position to take,
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Speaker 1: not because it's the right decisions and positions to take
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Speaker 1: to protect national security interests, and not because it's the
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Speaker 1: right position to take when it comes to curbing the
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Speaker 1: very real threat and rise in anti Semitism. That's the
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Speaker 1: main concern that I have here, not necessarily that you know,
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Speaker 1: they might lose their seat, but what more extreme positions
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Speaker 1: they might take to appease these voters, these Muslim voters
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Speaker 1: in these seats.
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Speaker 2: I think you're right.
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Speaker 3: I think numerically the seats are not going to change
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Speaker 3: hands at the first election that this mob organized themselves for.
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Speaker 3: But I think it will pressure Labor into changing positions
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Speaker 3: that it should not change. And I think that's perhaps
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Speaker 3: their first design at this election, and perhaps more after
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Speaker 3: this election and this result, if they're successful.
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Speaker 2: Cam, I've got to ask you, you.
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Speaker 3: Know, Fatima Payman announced at the start of the week
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Speaker 3: that she's abstaining from every vote this week in the Senate.
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Speaker 3: So I've got to say, you know, I've been around
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Speaker 3: a while in this place. Why on earth if she's
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Speaker 3: not fronting up to work, she's not entering the chamber,
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Speaker 3: she's not voting on bills.
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Speaker 2: Why are we paying her salary this week as taxpayers.
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Speaker 9: Well, there's no rule that says she has to sit out, Peter.
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Speaker 9: She might be sitting out of the caucus room for Labor,
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Speaker 9: but that's really a political organizational rule. It's nothing to
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Speaker 9: do with sitting out from the Senate. She's also sat
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Speaker 9: out of question time the past few days as well,
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Speaker 9: and it's been made pretty clear by her ran by
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Speaker 9: the Prime Minister. These are decisions that she has taken.
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Speaker 9: You do want to where all of this ends, Peter,
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Speaker 9: the Prime Minister noted in question time today he's now
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Speaker 9: expecting some kind of announcement about her future in the
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Speaker 9: Labor Party over the next couple of days. But even
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Speaker 9: if she pulls the pin as soon as tomorrow Parliament
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Speaker 9: goes away for five six weeks, she comes back, and
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Speaker 9: then what is she just going to vote against the
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Speaker 9: government on everything to try and cause trouble. You wouldn't
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Speaker 9: think so. So does she just end up voting with
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Speaker 9: the government anyway except on the issue of Palestine. I
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Speaker 9: think that's a decision she's going to have to make
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Speaker 9: if she is to pull the pin, exactly where does
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Speaker 9: she land on the cross bench, because it doesn't necessarily
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Speaker 9: strengthen her personal hand in terms of how the Parliament operates.
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Speaker 9: If she does deffect from labor, i'd.
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Speaker 2: Be a bit of homework.
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Speaker 3: I thought in my day, a long time ago, Howard Era,
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Speaker 3: when I worked in the Senate, you had to turn
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Speaker 3: up to prayers in the morning and get your name
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Speaker 3: ticked off in order to trigger your parliamentary payments. Now
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Speaker 3: if you turn up to question time and that your
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Speaker 3: name's marked off there later on in the day. But
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Speaker 3: if she's not turning up at all, if she's not
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Speaker 3: entering the chamber, I'd be curious if that rule still stands,
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Speaker 3: if she's in fact getting paid. But I'll ask you
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Speaker 3: about something else before we go all this talk today
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Speaker 3: about a Laver reshuffle. It was reported in the Australian
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Speaker 3: cam the two ministers mainly mentioned in the gun, Clara
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Speaker 3: O'Neil Andrew Giles. Well, I think they should have been
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Speaker 3: gone months ago. Interestingly, you need to trigger, really, I think,
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Speaker 3: to carry a reshuffle. And the talk is that we'll
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Speaker 3: see the retirement of the Indigenous Affairs Minister Linda Bernie,
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Speaker 3: is there anything you can tell us.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, Look, that's been expected for some time, Peter, although
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Speaker 9: it hasn't happened yet. I know I'll be going up
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Speaker 9: to the Garma Festival, which is in the first weekend
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Speaker 9: of August, so a bit over a month away. The
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Speaker 9: Prime Minister will be there as well, and you do
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Speaker 9: wonder if that might be something of a turning point
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Speaker 9: if Linda Bernie is to go either before or just
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Speaker 9: after that Gama Festival. Of course, it's the first one
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Speaker 9: since the Voice referendum was defeated. There's been talked for
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Speaker 9: a while that Melanderry McCarthy is the next in line
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Speaker 9: for that position if f Linda Bernie is to retire,
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Speaker 9: but no final decision made yet. So we go into
20:16
Speaker 9: a wind of break basically from the end of tomorrow.
20:19
Speaker 9: The heat is off Andrew Giles and Clara and Neil
20:22
Speaker 9: slightly at the moment politically anyway, So you'd feel like
20:25
Speaker 9: the best part of nine months away from an election,
20:27
Speaker 9: if the Prime Minister is to move the deck chairs around,
20:29
Speaker 9: that this would be the time to do it, given
20:31
Speaker 9: especially he's kept the same team since the election for
20:34
Speaker 9: two years, which is a fairly rare feat in politics
20:36
Speaker 9: these days.
20:39
Speaker 3: Now you're a member of the Parliamentary Press Gallery, got
20:41
Speaker 3: your big boll this year and a lot of charities
20:43
Speaker 3: are getting supported.
20:44
Speaker 2: That's why you're looking so dapper.
20:48
Speaker 9: I would say it's mainly because you're in town, Peter,
20:50
Speaker 9: but maybe a bit of colin a columbee.
20:53
Speaker 2: There you go. I'll leave it there, I'll leave it there.
20:55
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us, Caroline and can.
20:57
Speaker 3: Right after the break, despite growing hostility within our re,
21:00
Speaker 3: the Albanezer government has offered up our most meager showing
21:03
Speaker 3: in decades for Rimpack. That's the big American military exercises
21:07
Speaker 3: in the waters off Hawaii. It's embarrassing for our allies
21:11
Speaker 3: but sends a shocking message to our adverstaries. Plus the
21:15
Speaker 3: interview where Adie Patterson takes on the ABC over its
21:18
Speaker 3: anti nuclear nonsense. I tell you it's not only smart,
21:22
Speaker 3: you know that, but he's not afraid to hold the
21:24
Speaker 3: national broadcaster to account. Welcome Back is still the calmsorting
21:32
Speaker 3: fact from fiction and calling out the other bias and
21:36
Speaker 3: ignorance at the ABC when it comes to the nuclear debate.
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Speaker 3: But first, the Albanezer Government's dramatically scaling back Australia's participation
21:44
Speaker 3: in the biennial Rimpack wargames in the waters off Hawaii,
21:49
Speaker 3: just as our nation faces a capability crisis following years
21:52
Speaker 3: of under investment in defense, the ADF has sent just
21:56
Speaker 3: three hundred and twenty personnel, a single warship than just
22:00
Speaker 3: one aircraft to America's biggest military exercise, a contingent that's
22:05
Speaker 3: eighty percent smaller than what we sent last time in
22:08
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. For more of this center whip around
22:11
Speaker 3: all the big electoral contests overseas. I'm joined now by
22:15
Speaker 3: The Australian's Foreign editor, Greek Sheridan Greg. I don't think
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Speaker 3: anything better exemplify just how woefully underrepared we are. Then,
22:24
Speaker 3: the fact that the best we can offer for these
22:26
Speaker 3: exercises in our own region is a compliment that's eighty
22:30
Speaker 3: percent down what we sent two years ago.
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Speaker 10: Well, Peter, great to be with you. You're absolutely right.
22:38
Speaker 10: I mean, Peter, apart from your splendid program and the
22:41
Speaker 10: pages of The Australian, I'm just completely at a loss
22:44
Speaker 10: why the nation isn't a gog at this. This is
22:47
Speaker 10: a shocking, terrible, unbelievable indictment. Of Australia's defense unpreparedness and
22:53
Speaker 10: the absolute failure of the Albanese government to do anything
22:56
Speaker 10: about it. And fairness, I should say it also reflects
22:58
Speaker 10: a failure of ten years of coalition government. We've got
23:01
Speaker 10: the worst surface fleet and the most unready submarine fleet
23:05
Speaker 10: we've ever had ever since we've had a surface fleet
23:07
Speaker 10: or a submarine fleet. Three of the columns, three of
23:10
Speaker 10: the six colons are out of commission, one of the
23:12
Speaker 10: anzex has been retired, two of them are out of
23:15
Speaker 10: the water. Our supply ships are out of the water.
23:17
Speaker 10: We've canceled orders for new supply ships. The government plans
23:22
Speaker 10: to do absolutely nothing about our capability over the next
23:26
Speaker 10: ten years. Mike Pizzulo has been arguing it's too late
23:29
Speaker 10: now for us to get big new platforms like ships
23:32
Speaker 10: and submarines, but we could at least get thousands of
23:35
Speaker 10: drones and missiles. We're not doing any of that either.
23:38
Speaker 10: And now this is the explanation for why they wouldn't
23:42
Speaker 10: send a ship to help the Americans confronting the Hooti
23:46
Speaker 10: pirates in the Middle East, and now in the exercise,
23:50
Speaker 10: which is the single most important military exercise to Australia's
23:55
Speaker 10: direct security. We are exposed as pathetically unable to field anything.
24:02
Speaker 10: We still spend over fifty billion dollars a year in defense.
24:05
Speaker 10: We've got hundreds and hundreds of new bureaucrats working on
24:08
Speaker 10: the August Submarines, destined to come sometime when my grandchildren
24:12
Speaker 10: are in their datage. In the meantime, we've got no
24:15
Speaker 10: military capability. There's a big advertisement to any enemy. If
24:18
Speaker 10: the Americans ever decide to stop protecting us, we are defenseless.
24:25
Speaker 3: And of course you want to wonder where all the
24:26
Speaker 3: money comes to fund these handouts. Greed, We push out
24:29
Speaker 3: our defense funding, push it out as far as we
24:32
Speaker 3: can push it out, as far as it's humanly plausible.
24:36
Speaker 3: And that's their news, to fund handouts. And that's where
24:39
Speaker 3: we are because that's an electoral buy that's going on
24:42
Speaker 3: right at the moment.
24:43
Speaker 2: I want to go to France.
24:45
Speaker 3: You've got a far right political party there, the National
24:47
Speaker 3: Rally on the cusp of an election. When we've had
24:50
Speaker 3: a Stage one round one, we've got round two this weekend.
24:54
Speaker 3: In Stage one round one, they double the vote leading
24:57
Speaker 3: the first round of course, of those legislatives elections. As
25:01
Speaker 3: a result there's been really violent protests from the left
25:05
Speaker 3: in France, and Marie la Penn has united. I guess
25:09
Speaker 3: all of her opponents they're trying desperately to prevent her win.
25:13
Speaker 3: This weekend, Macron greg chose to go early. He's now
25:18
Speaker 3: polling third. You've got the Olympics about to start in
25:22
Speaker 3: France in Paris. In fact, I was there not so
25:24
Speaker 3: long ago, a couple of weeks ago. All the preparations
25:27
Speaker 3: are there, but now, of course you've got these riots.
25:29
Speaker 2: How do you think this is going to play out?
25:33
Speaker 10: Well, Peter, I was joking WhatsApp message to one of
25:36
Speaker 10: my friends in Southeast Asia today, I'm no longer sure
25:40
Speaker 10: that Western countries are capable of governing themselves. I mean,
25:43
Speaker 10: fifty years ago we asked that question about Asian countries.
25:46
Speaker 10: I think it's an open question now about Western countries.
25:50
Speaker 10: There's tremendous hypocrisy on the French left and in the
25:55
Speaker 10: center here. So Macron is a busted flush, but he's
25:58
Speaker 10: at the end of his second term. I mean, that's
25:59
Speaker 10: the will electoral cycle. People go up and people go down.
26:03
Speaker 10: There's a ridiculous moral panic about Lapen's group. So Maloney
26:09
Speaker 10: Georgia Maloney in Italy. Her party had emerged out of
26:15
Speaker 10: a party which had actual, genuine, real fascist connections, but
26:19
Speaker 10: they've rejected all that and they've become a perfectly respectable
26:24
Speaker 10: party of government now. I think Maloney in fact is
26:26
Speaker 10: the most impressive West European government leader. The far left
26:32
Speaker 10: coalition in France, which got almost as many votes as
26:36
Speaker 10: Lapenz Group, includes communists, former communists, all kinds of people.
26:42
Speaker 10: It seems to be absurd that the Center, the so
26:44
Speaker 10: called Center in France is saying, above all else, we
26:48
Speaker 10: must stop Lapen, but we don't mind allying with these communists.
26:52
Speaker 10: If Lapenz Group gets into government, they will confront the
26:57
Speaker 10: same messy realities as everybody else. They'll find. You know,
27:01
Speaker 10: the real problem with the populists is not that they're
27:04
Speaker 10: wicked extremists or anything. Land Penn's party had an extremist pass,
27:08
Speaker 10: but she and her party have absolutely repudiated all the
27:11
Speaker 10: extremism of their past. And if the communists can do
27:15
Speaker 10: that and be rehabilitated, I don't see why arch conservatives can't.
27:19
Speaker 10: But the real difficulty for all the populists is this.
27:22
Speaker 10: They get into office and they'll be doing some things
27:25
Speaker 10: that the public likes, like restricting illegal immigration and so on.
27:29
Speaker 10: Their ability to do things will be limited by EU rules.
27:32
Speaker 10: But the underlying problem they face is the same with
27:35
Speaker 10: all Western governments. You cannot have record high transfer and
27:39
Speaker 10: welfare payments, cut taxes and balance your budget all at
27:44
Speaker 10: the same time. So both the hard left and the
27:47
Speaker 10: hard right in France want to reverse Macron's radical pension reform,
27:52
Speaker 10: which raised the retirement age from sixty two to sixty four. Well,
27:55
Speaker 10: you can't put the retirement age back to sixty two
27:59
Speaker 10: and expect you're going to address the crisis of national debt,
28:04
Speaker 10: which in France is already over one hundred percent of GDP.
28:07
Speaker 10: So I think it'll be the best thing in the
28:08
Speaker 10: world if Lapenz people formed a government, and then I
28:12
Speaker 10: hope that they can find a solution. I mean, no
28:15
Speaker 10: one in the West is offering Margaret Thatcher or Ronald Reagan.
28:19
Speaker 10: They're just all pretending. Even Trump is the same. They're
28:22
Speaker 10: all pretending that they can magically give increased welfare payments,
28:27
Speaker 10: cut taxes and balance the budget. And the fact there's
28:29
Speaker 10: set a left, center right, far left, far right, you
28:32
Speaker 10: just can't do that.
28:35
Speaker 2: I think the great shame there.
28:36
Speaker 3: This is a cross of board, particularly in Europe and
28:39
Speaker 3: the UK, as the conservative governments might be in office,
28:41
Speaker 3: but they're not governing as conservatives. I need to grab
28:45
Speaker 3: you before we go US election though. The fallout from
28:48
Speaker 3: the debates continuing, of course. But Biden was out there
28:51
Speaker 3: today Joe Biden saying he was jet lagged. That explains
28:55
Speaker 3: his shocking performance. There's a poll out today that said
28:58
Speaker 3: seventy five percent of American to think he's got to go.
29:02
Speaker 3: It would be better if somebody else was on the
29:04
Speaker 3: presidential ticket.
29:06
Speaker 2: What's going to happen, Greg, What do you think? Is
29:07
Speaker 2: he going to be there in November or not.
29:11
Speaker 10: It's a really hard one to pick. I've watched Biden
29:14
Speaker 10: for many, many decades, and he is incredibly stubborn and
29:19
Speaker 10: more than most political leaders, he is unbelievably in love
29:23
Speaker 10: with himself and full of faith that only he can
29:27
Speaker 10: do it. And he chose Kamala Harris to tick identity boxes.
29:31
Speaker 10: But he also chose her as his vice president because
29:34
Speaker 10: she was so mediocre. As presidents very often do, they
29:37
Speaker 10: don't want anyone to think the vice president would be
29:40
Speaker 10: better than the president. I mean, you've got to give
29:42
Speaker 10: Bill Clinton credit. He chose Al Gore, who was just
29:45
Speaker 10: like him, and if they had, if the indictment the
29:49
Speaker 10: impeachment of Clinton had been upheld in the Senate, Gore
29:52
Speaker 10: would have been a perfectly acceptable replacement, whereas Biden chose
29:56
Speaker 10: Kamala Harris, knowing how mediocre and hopeless she will. Having
30:00
Speaker 10: said all that, though all of Biden's friends now are saying, well,
30:06
Speaker 10: he has to dispel the problem by coming out and
30:09
Speaker 10: doing a long two hour press conference. Well, Biden couldn't
30:12
Speaker 10: get through a ten minute press conference where he has
30:15
Speaker 10: unscripted questions, and you think it's almost reaching completely impossible
30:22
Speaker 10: for him to continue. I guess though, it'll need the
30:26
Speaker 10: polls to go a bit worse, and then the mechanics
30:30
Speaker 10: of a dismount it'd have to be an organized. You know,
30:33
Speaker 10: they'd probably have to draft in a consensus candidate, which
30:36
Speaker 10: means you've got a square off Kamala Harris, or the
30:39
Speaker 10: candidate would have to be Kamala Harris, and she'd have
30:41
Speaker 10: to try to revive herself by picking a terrific vice
30:44
Speaker 10: president of her own. It's unbelievably messy, and the bottom
30:48
Speaker 10: line of it all is it's all Joe Biden's fault,
30:52
Speaker 10: and it just shows how selfish he was to cling
30:55
Speaker 10: onto the presidency when he must have known that he
30:59
Speaker 10: can't do it. And if a year ago he'd set
31:01
Speaker 10: up a proper democratic primary process, we'd now have a
31:04
Speaker 10: terrific you know, we now have as strong a Democrat
31:07
Speaker 10: candidate as you could get, instead of which the Democrats
31:10
Speaker 10: have got this tremendous mess.
31:13
Speaker 2: Greg, thank you.
31:15
Speaker 3: I think Jill Biden bears some damage there for all
31:17
Speaker 3: of this mess as well. I want to go back
31:19
Speaker 3: to the nuclear debate now, though with yet another prominent
31:22
Speaker 3: voice today putting their weight behind lifting the moratorium, Dick
31:26
Speaker 3: Smith has taken out a full page ad not only
31:28
Speaker 3: pushing the nuclear case, but taking aim at the CSIRO
31:32
Speaker 3: and AEMO, accusing them of misleading the Prime Minister when
31:35
Speaker 3: it comes to costs now. Smith isn't alone in pointing
31:38
Speaker 3: out that the numbers are not all that they should
31:40
Speaker 3: be and model in a way to make nuclear power
31:43
Speaker 3: look more expensive when compared to renewables. Now, most in
31:47
Speaker 3: the media don't look too hard at the numbers. But
31:50
Speaker 3: my next guest, the former head of Australia's government nuclear
31:53
Speaker 3: body and Stow refusers to let the media get away
31:57
Speaker 3: with not doing their homework.
32:00
Speaker 2: Here is Dr. A. D.
32:01
Speaker 3: Patterson on ABC Radio recently injecting some facts into costings
32:07
Speaker 3: on nuclear.
32:09
Speaker 11: The CSIRO gen Cost study said that nuclear power would
32:12
Speaker 11: be three times as expensive as solar and wind.
32:15
Speaker 4: Do you disagree with that, Well, that's not what the
32:18
Speaker 4: gen cost reports is. Remember, gen cost means the cost
32:21
Speaker 4: of generation, and the CSIRO has got no expertise in
32:26
Speaker 4: the cost of generation. And what they do is they
32:30
Speaker 4: take publicly available figures of the construction costs of nuclear
32:35
Speaker 4: power plants, usually in countries that have got regulatory environments
32:39
Speaker 4: that are kind of designed to stop nuclear They take
32:42
Speaker 4: those costs and then they convert them into a generation
32:47
Speaker 4: cost using an algorithm which is provided to them by
32:51
Speaker 4: a private sector firm that is not an expert in
32:53
Speaker 4: nuclear industry. So gen cost Report, I call it the
32:56
Speaker 4: gen con reports.
33:00
Speaker 3: To say that, doctor Ady Patterson joins me, now, thank
33:03
Speaker 3: you for your time eighty. I mean, how frustrated are
33:06
Speaker 3: you is someone with the scientific, fact based lifetime's work
33:12
Speaker 3: and history in the nuclear industry, How frustrated are you
33:16
Speaker 3: at the lack of genuine, fact based research and debate
33:22
Speaker 3: in this area.
33:26
Speaker 4: Well, I'm very frustrated because I actually started my energy
33:29
Speaker 4: career as a battery person. I had patents on high
33:31
Speaker 4: temperature batteries which went into the market and failed in
33:35
Speaker 4: the nineteen nineties and early two thousands. I was responsible
33:39
Speaker 4: for part of South Africa's development of a portfolio in
33:42
Speaker 4: the early two thousands, and I became clear to me
33:47
Speaker 4: from having been involved in nuclear power projects that nuclear
33:51
Speaker 4: power provides something that is essential for us. Always on
33:55
Speaker 4: high quality power that arrives at our homes, at our businesses,
34:00
Speaker 4: our factories, at our data centers, at our critical resources
34:04
Speaker 4: like defense establishments and so on, and keeps all of
34:09
Speaker 4: the operating things going. Mainly in a home, we just
34:13
Speaker 4: want the lights on, but if you're running a data
34:16
Speaker 4: center that's keeping our economy going, in our stock exchange going,
34:20
Speaker 4: you need always no reliable power. Solar is available nineteen
34:24
Speaker 4: point seventy five percent in South Australia over the period
34:28
Speaker 4: of a day. That's pretty low. It's less than twenty percent.
34:31
Speaker 4: Let's call it one day and five, and wind is
34:34
Speaker 4: available two days out of five forty percent. Now when
34:37
Speaker 4: you add up, you know twenty percent and forty percent,
34:40
Speaker 4: and you try to get to one hundred percent. To
34:43
Speaker 4: get aeroplanes landing in the middle of the night, when
34:46
Speaker 4: the sun is down and the wind's not blowing, you
34:48
Speaker 4: do not get a power system. And that is the
34:51
Speaker 4: plan of this government. It's madness. It's absolute madness.
34:57
Speaker 3: You were also asking to save interview about the time
34:59
Speaker 3: frame that it actually takes to build nuclear power, and
35:03
Speaker 3: you took issue with this question.
35:05
Speaker 2: Have a listen.
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Speaker 11: Considering if we look overseas in Europe and North America,
35:10
Speaker 11: there are years behind schedule and they're over budget.
35:12
Speaker 6: I should say, do you think we can do it
35:13
Speaker 6: all the time.
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Speaker 4: You're not an expert and you're over summarizing fair enough.
35:19
Speaker 4: A really good example is the Emirates.
35:21
Speaker 11: Okay, I did say Europe and North America because I
35:23
Speaker 11: know the UAA.
35:24
Speaker 6: I'm but ua is not different.
35:28
Speaker 4: UAE negotiated with all of its partners internationally to establish
35:33
Speaker 4: what is called the gold standard. This is often obscured
35:37
Speaker 4: in these debates because they wanted to be able to
35:40
Speaker 4: build Korean plants with an independent group of international regulators
35:45
Speaker 4: overseeing their new regulator, so that they would do it
35:49
Speaker 4: to the highest international standards. Their first plant, I think
35:53
Speaker 4: took seven and a half years if you take it
35:56
Speaker 4: from first concrete to first electrons on the grid. The
36:00
Speaker 4: last one I think took five and a half years.
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Speaker 3: ATIE, I don't normally have a guest one and then
36:06
Speaker 3: place slabs of an interview they have done with the
36:09
Speaker 3: ABC or another media organization. But I want to assure
36:13
Speaker 3: people at home that you're taking the fight up to
36:15
Speaker 3: the media about misinformation in this area. Are these journalists
36:21
Speaker 3: lazy or is this part of a deliberate campaign?
36:23
Speaker 2: Do you think and how do we see it?
36:28
Speaker 4: Well, the CSIROS is the worst of the lot because
36:31
Speaker 4: they're just genuinely misleading. The CEO of the CSIRO is
36:36
Speaker 4: a medical specialist and is talking about generation costs. The
36:40
Speaker 4: cost that matters is the cost that arrives at the
36:42
Speaker 4: factory fence. It's the cost in your and my home.
36:45
Speaker 4: It's the cost in the airport and in the data
36:48
Speaker 4: center between the generation and where it arrives. With us
36:54
Speaker 4: as a transmission grid, a distribution grid that has to
36:58
Speaker 4: get that fifty hertz high reliable electricity to US solar
37:04
Speaker 4: and wind produced DC current, they have little electronic boxes
37:08
Speaker 4: at the fences called digital inverters that try to make
37:11
Speaker 4: fifty hertz. That fifty hertz has got no inertia. It's
37:15
Speaker 4: like waving a flag at somebody who wants you to
37:18
Speaker 4: try to sail in a fast race. It has no
37:23
Speaker 4: capacity to serve a modern industry that wants to make
37:27
Speaker 4: things and wants to have a reliable, safe, democratic institution.
37:31
Speaker 4: I am shocked that a EMO, it's CEO and the
37:35
Speaker 4: CSRO are permitted to produce this face every year. What
37:40
Speaker 4: we want is the cost of electrons at the point
37:44
Speaker 4: of service to real customers. That's called the full cost
37:47
Speaker 4: of electricity. Now the full cost of electricity. We know
37:51
Speaker 4: from a paper that has been published in the Journal
37:53
Speaker 4: of Energy two years ago. Nuclear is not twenty five
37:58
Speaker 4: percent better. It's it's not fifty percent better. It's two
38:02
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty four percent better than solar and wind.
38:06
Speaker 4: This paper by Robert idel I've spoken to him, I've
38:10
Speaker 4: analyzed the paper. It's a work of genius. Interestingly, he
38:15
Speaker 4: has no affiliation to any institution. Isn't that interesting? He
38:20
Speaker 4: does not even have a university on that paper. The paper,
38:25
Speaker 4: remarkable piece of work by Robert Idell, only has his name.
38:30
Speaker 4: He is completely independent. He's done a work of genius.
38:34
Speaker 4: He's showed up the fast globally. He's compared France and Texas,
38:38
Speaker 4: two places where the grid has failed recently, and it's
38:42
Speaker 4: failed because there's too much wind and too much solar.
38:45
Speaker 4: In the case of Texas when they had the Texas Storm,
38:48
Speaker 4: three hundred and sixty people died in that storm. We're
38:51
Speaker 4: not messing about here, but we are messing about because
38:54
Speaker 4: AEMO is out of control.
38:58
Speaker 2: I've got a jump in the radio.
38:59
Speaker 3: I mean, you know your stuff, but you are able
39:03
Speaker 3: to communicate to ordinary people, my viewers listening at home,
39:07
Speaker 3: in a way that they can understand. I think that's
39:08
Speaker 3: incredibly powerful. Please keep it up. You're one of our
39:12
Speaker 3: best advocates in the media. Adie Patterson there, thank you
39:15
Speaker 3: for your time. All right, quick break after the break,
39:18
Speaker 3: the shocking statistics at show how Australia has become the
39:21
Speaker 3: lawfair capital of the world, plus the shift in budget
39:24
Speaker 3: strategy from the Prime Minister that says a lot about
39:27
Speaker 3: election timing. I'll explain more after the break.
39:34
Speaker 2: That's still to come.
39:35
Speaker 3: As always on Wednesday, the wonderful cal Richards. But first
39:38
Speaker 3: let's bring in the panel. Pauline Hanson's chief of staff
39:40
Speaker 3: James Ashby and with me in Canberra. I don't know
39:43
Speaker 3: if you'll get the picture of him on the desk
39:45
Speaker 3: environment Shadow Environment Minister Senator Jonathan Dunneham, Well, welcome to
39:49
Speaker 3: you both. I want to start with his new report
39:50
Speaker 3: today from the Mensies Research Center that's found Australia shamefully
39:54
Speaker 3: is now the lawfair capital of the world. According to
39:57
Speaker 3: the report, Australia has had the most climate law suits
40:00
Speaker 3: in the world on a per capita basis, one hundred
40:03
Speaker 3: and twenty seven separate cases launched from the mid nineteen
40:07
Speaker 3: nineties to twenty twenty two. Report also found the nation's
40:10
Speaker 3: top twenty five environmental activist groups have more than double
40:15
Speaker 3: their combined revenue in less than a decade, and nine
40:18
Speaker 3: major projects have been delayed by green lawfare between August
40:21
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, about the time that Labor was elected
40:24
Speaker 3: and June this year.
40:26
Speaker 2: Well, seat a Dunium.
40:28
Speaker 3: Yes, this is terrible, but it's cost us about seventeen
40:31
Speaker 3: billion dollars and something like thirty thousand jobs.
40:35
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is a crime to think that in this
40:38
Speaker 5: country we're allowing this to occur. We're in the cost
40:40
Speaker 5: of living crisis. The economy is faltering. The government's casting
40:44
Speaker 5: about trying to say they're doing everything to grow the
40:46
Speaker 5: economy and sure things up for Australian households and businesses.
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Speaker 5: Yet they're complicit in this. So firstly they're giving money
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Speaker 5: to the Environmental Defender's Office, which is listed in these
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Speaker 5: top twenty five.
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Speaker 3: Organs, so to money around, taxpayer money go to these mobs,
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Speaker 3: and then they take us to and then we lose these.
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Speaker 5: Projects absolutely right, and they think it's good enough to
41:04
Speaker 5: continue on ad infinitum. There is no end date to
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Speaker 5: this funding going to the EDO, so this will happen
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Speaker 5: forever under their watch. Plus, at the end of last
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Speaker 5: year we were supposed to have laws in Parliament to
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Speaker 5: reform the EPBC Act, which is where most of this happens,
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Speaker 5: and so they've failed on that count too, so there's
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Speaker 5: no end in sight. They think it's okay. No amount
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Speaker 5: of money you put into propping up the economy and
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Speaker 5: all of these schemes and they've got running will ever
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Speaker 5: address the problems we face while they have not fixed
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Speaker 5: this issue for Australia.
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Speaker 3: James on this similar vein, I mean this talk of
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Speaker 3: a deal being done between the Greens and Labor on
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Speaker 3: what could be called a climate trigger into these Nature
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Speaker 3: positive Reforms bills going through the Parliament. It would mean
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Speaker 3: ministerial approval before any of these projects can go ahead. Now,
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Speaker 3: my concern would be if this ministerial approval is a
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Speaker 3: disallowable instrument. It means the Senate crazies banned together and
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Speaker 3: kill off a project even if the minister says go ahead.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, And a lot of people don't realize that an
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Speaker 12: instrument of this nature can be disallowed by the Senate
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Speaker 12: within fifteen sitting days. So we've seen that happen so
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Speaker 12: many times, even in this term of parliament, but previously
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Speaker 12: as well. The attempts were there when the Coalition were
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Speaker 12: in government, and it particularly occurs when the Greens just
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Speaker 12: want a grandstand a lot of the time. It's worse though,
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Speaker 12: when they've got the government by the short and curlies,
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Speaker 12: as they do at the present moment, along with some
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Speaker 12: other crazies on the cross bench like Jackie Lamby Network
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Speaker 12: and David Pocock.
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Speaker 6: So this is the worry that we've got.
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Speaker 12: Yes, a lot of great projects can be stifled as
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Speaker 12: a result of a gun being held to the head
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Speaker 12: of this government right now to include this trigger As
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Speaker 12: you say.
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Speaker 3: You are a colleague of hers, she's not fronting for
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Speaker 3: work this week. We're paying her as taxpayers. This is
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Speaker 3: a senator payment staining. I think you've got to ask
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Speaker 3: why is she being paid by taxpayers if she's not
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Speaker 3: working for taxpayers. But all the speculation is she'll walk
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Speaker 3: tomorrow from labor.
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Speaker 2: What do you think I reckon there's good money on that.
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Speaker 5: The fact that she hasn't showed, she hasn't lined up
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Speaker 5: to be accountable for what she's said and done, and
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Speaker 5: she isn't giving any explanation properly to the Labor caucus
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Speaker 5: of which she was once a part. I mean, one
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Speaker 5: of the key features of labor, as we know, is
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Speaker 5: solidarity and you should expect that from them. That's what
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Speaker 5: they pride themselves on. Unlike us, we have a fairly robust,
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Speaker 5: yet more flexible arrangement. So she does owe an explanation
43:37
Speaker 5: to Australians having said and done what she's done is
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Speaker 5: to what she intends to do. Hiding from scrutiny and
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Speaker 5: not actually turning up in Parliament to review and scrutinize
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Speaker 5: legislation and at least double down on what she said.
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Speaker 5: I think is a bit of a cop out, So
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Speaker 5: we'll see where she goes tomorrow. But it does rather
43:56
Speaker 5: prove the point of any Abernezi's authority in party room.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think she's coming your way. And I'm
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Speaker 3: just on that point too. You know, the involvement of Glenn.
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Speaker 3: The involvement of Glenn Drury says to me, you know
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Speaker 3: this has been going on for some time. There's a
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Speaker 3: clear strategy behind it. But I've also got to ask
44:12
Speaker 3: you now I've got around the corridors today everyone's talking
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Speaker 3: about being on a war.
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Speaker 2: Footing for an early election.
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Speaker 3: I don't think they'll go before the Queensland election in October.
44:21
Speaker 3: I think there's brick backs up there for labor. I
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Speaker 3: think they'll wait for that sort of dust to settle.
44:27
Speaker 3: But the pem's made a big change to the way
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Speaker 3: in which the money is moving through labor in the
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Speaker 3: budget rounds. He's freed up funds for things that they
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Speaker 3: haven't yet done to be pork barreled for the next election.
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Speaker 3: That says to me they're getting ready to go. You know,
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Speaker 3: he's declined this NATO invitation as well.
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Speaker 6: What do you think, James, Well, we've got a five
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Speaker 6: week break.
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Speaker 12: Let's see how many of them go on holidays at
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Speaker 12: the end of this week.
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Speaker 6: That'll be a Telta sign number.
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Speaker 12: One point good points number two. I really think we've
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Speaker 12: got to start having a look here at what look at.
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Speaker 12: You'll know before anyone, because you're advertising gurus there at
45:07
Speaker 12: Sky will have all their bookings made, so we'll have
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Speaker 12: a pretty clear indication there. I think there is a
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Speaker 12: danger though that if they do go beyond March. Let's
45:16
Speaker 12: keep in mind that we've got a state election in
45:18
Speaker 12: Queens then come October another state election over in Western Australia.
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Speaker 6: In March.
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Speaker 12: There are only a limited number of opportunities for an
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Speaker 12: early election. I would say December seven may be an
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Speaker 12: option if they go earlier than that. The only other
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Speaker 12: option is September seven, but that means we won't go
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Speaker 12: back to Parliament. There won't be another sitting for you, John,
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Speaker 12: I'm afraid no more decision. So yeah, there's a number
45:43
Speaker 12: of different things. There's a couple of other reasons here
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Speaker 12: why might go early. If Fatima pain does go to
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Speaker 12: a new Muslim political party that hasn't yet been registered,
45:55
Speaker 12: that may be a reason to go early and also
45:58
Speaker 12: to Clive Palmer hasn't registered the up again, So there
46:01
Speaker 12: are a couple of reasons why the Prime Minister might
46:04
Speaker 12: want to go early and not be distracted by some
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Speaker 12: fringe parties or other minor parties.
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Speaker 3: That is excellent and shrewd analysis as always, James Oliver there, gentlemen,
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Speaker 3: Thank you sir Dona.
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Speaker 2: Good to see you in person. Thank you, James Ashby.
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Speaker 3: All right after the great Kel, Richard joins me now
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Speaker 3: for words Matter, welcome back, joining me as he does
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Speaker 3: every Wednesday, Wordsmith and broadcast to Kel Richards.
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Speaker 2: Great to have you. Kel. We've got a bit.
46:37
Speaker 3: Of an assange theme tonight coming out of his recent
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Speaker 3: arrival back in Australia.
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Speaker 2: We're not talking him up. I'm certainly no great fan.
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Speaker 3: In fact, I criticized many in the media for lionizing
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Speaker 3: him and live one of our viewers wants to know
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Speaker 3: the meaning and the origins of lion Eye.
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Speaker 13: It goes back to the year of the Tutors, back
46:56
Speaker 13: to the time of Henry the eighth and Elizabeth. Back
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Speaker 13: in the days there was a zoo at the Tower
47:03
Speaker 13: of London and any visit who came to London, was
47:05
Speaker 13: taken to see the zoo at the Tower of London,
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Speaker 13: especially the rarest and most interesting animals, the African animals,
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Speaker 13: the lions. So they were a center of attention and
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Speaker 13: everyone had to see them. So if you start treating
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Speaker 13: someone as the center of attention and everyone has to
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Speaker 13: see them and pay attention to them, they are being
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Speaker 13: lionized because of the lions that once lived at the
47:29
Speaker 13: Tower of London.
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Speaker 3: Goodness me, our viewers are sharp. Suzanne's picked this up.
47:37
Speaker 3: She says, the journalists report things like Donald Trump's landed
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Speaker 3: at this airport, or or Juliana Sange in this case
47:43
Speaker 3: is landed in camera.
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Speaker 2: She objects to.
47:46
Speaker 3: The use of this word, saying that they're all on
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Speaker 3: aircraft which landed, but.
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Speaker 2: They themselves didn't land.
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Speaker 3: What do you think of this? She's right, isn't she?
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Speaker 13: She is absolutely right. However, there is a figure of
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Speaker 13: speech which is seenectic Now. Senectic key means mentioning a
48:03
Speaker 13: part to refer to the whole. So you want to
48:05
Speaker 13: talk about the British monarchy, you talk about the crown.
48:08
Speaker 13: That's senectic key. Now, arguably, what these people are doing
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Speaker 13: is they're taking the sentence the plane carrying this passenger
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Speaker 13: landed and using a part and saying the passenger landed. Now,
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Speaker 13: whether that really fits that figure of speech or not,
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Speaker 13: we could have a debate about I think it arguably does.
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Speaker 13: It is synectic, Key, I think that's what it is.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to pick you up in your use of
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Speaker 3: plane there. Once I was myself pulled up by someone
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Speaker 3: in the Air Force when I work for the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister who says it's not a plane planes used by
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Speaker 3: a carpenter when they're sort of filing down war to Peter,
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Speaker 3: they are aircraft. I'll always remember that you're probably not.
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Speaker 3: Viewer wants to all I was correct? Is I'm passing
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Speaker 3: it on?
48:52
Speaker 2: Hey Noel? Another viewer wants to know whether the word
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Speaker 2: tarmac comes from.
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Speaker 6: AH short for tar.
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Speaker 13: McCadam goes back much further than I would have thought,
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Speaker 13: goes back to the early eighteen hundreds and tar McCadam
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Speaker 13: was the stuff that they've learned to put on roads,
49:05
Speaker 13: a mixture of crushed up stone and gravel and tar.
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Speaker 13: And it's called tar McAdam because of a man named
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Speaker 13: John Loudon McCadam, who was a Scottish surveyor and who
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Speaker 13: invented the stuff, so it came to be called after him,
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Speaker 13: Tar McAdam. We shortened that to tarmac and that's the
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Speaker 13: stuff that's on the runways.
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Speaker 2: There you go.
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Speaker 3: I will come back with more. I've got a couple
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Speaker 3: that i'll hang over to next week. Great to be
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Speaker 3: with you as always, Kel send them in to us
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Speaker 3: please here it's going new, is your words right?
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Speaker 2: That's it for me.
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Speaker 3: I'm going back home to my home base tomorrow in Melbourne.
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Speaker 3: Great to have been in camera, picked up a little
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Speaker 3: bit of goss.
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Speaker 2: Go to the ball tonight. I'll have a report on
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Speaker 2: that tomorrow. Up next and your bot