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81. Charlie Dark, Founder Run Dem Crew · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: The fact that we are at episode eighty one just
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  Speaker 1: blows my mind. Episode eighty one of Hurdle, a podcast
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  Speaker 1: that talks to everyone from entrepreneurs to top CEOs and
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  Speaker 1: athletes about how they've gotten through tough times hurdles of
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  Speaker 1: sorts by leaning into wellness. My name is Emily Abadi
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  Speaker 1: and today I am so amped to bring you my
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  Speaker 1: super special live conversation with Charlie Dark. He is a DJ,
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  Speaker 1: a poet and the founder of the London based running
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  Speaker 1: collective run dem Crew, And this episode's really special. We
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  Speaker 1: for their body leading up to the big day. Now, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: if this episode is going live on Monday, the marathon
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday, so a huge congratulations to all of the
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  Speaker 1: runners who went out there, who did the thing. The
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  Speaker 1: a bold statement. This might be one of my favorite
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  Speaker 1: episodes of Hurdle to date.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to say that again. Favorite episode.
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  Speaker 1: We talk about his life growing up in London and
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  Speaker 1: how he really had a passion for music and that
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  Speaker 1: passion led him to being a signed artist, but with
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  Speaker 1: time in the music industry, he realized that he really
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  Speaker 1: wasn't giving his body any bit of love. He recalls
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  Speaker 1: looking in the mirror one day and just seeing nothing there,
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  Speaker 1: just seeing a dull light in his eyes. He accumulated
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  Speaker 1: all of these material things. He had a Mercedes g Wagon,
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  Speaker 1: four hundred pairs of Sneakers forty thousand records, but still
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  Speaker 1: just wasn't happy. So he started running on Christmas Day actually,
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  Speaker 1: and it started slow, about a mile, and soon enough,
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  Speaker 1: after a little bit of time, his friends noticed that
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  Speaker 1: something was up, that he looked different, that he was happier,
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  Speaker 1: and he shared his experience with them. A group of
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  Speaker 1: them would get together every Friday night and run about
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  Speaker 1: a mile and then go grab something to eat, and
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  Speaker 1: that little group soon became Run Dem Crew.
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  Speaker 2: Now Run Dem Crew is not a running club.
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  Speaker 1: Instead, it's a collective of runners, as he likes to
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  Speaker 1: call it, people that are like minded and want to
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  Speaker 1: go after great things.
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  Speaker 2: There's also so many takeaways in this episode.
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  Speaker 1: I love what Charlie has to say about finding your
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  Speaker 1: tribe and just really locking in with the people that
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's it for now. With that, let's
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  Speaker 3: Thank you all so much for coming today.
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  Speaker 2: Here.
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  Speaker 3: I am with Charlie Dark.
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  Speaker 1: He is the mastermind behind Run Dem Crew, and we'll
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  Speaker 1: get into what that is and just a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: It's also a DJ, a poet, a Lulaming Global run ambassador,
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  Speaker 1: a community builder, a public speaker. I love listening things
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  Speaker 1: as people do this when I sit down with them,
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  Speaker 1: and it never is not awkward when someone describes you
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  Speaker 1: in twelve ways before you even say one single word.
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  Speaker 1: But before we really get going important first off, happy birthday.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you very much in date.
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  Speaker 3: Why did you to celebrate I've.
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  Speaker 4: Been running with the crew.
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  Speaker 5: Was running with the crew in London, and then we
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  Speaker 5: came home and got on a plane and then we
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  Speaker 5: came here.
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  Speaker 3: Perfect.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty fastive to me, it's good. Also, you and
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  Speaker 1: I have something in common which I'm going to just
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  Speaker 1: launch off with, is that we both like to run
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  Speaker 1: when many other people aren't doing much of anything.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, talk to me about that.
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  Speaker 5: I started running in the nighttime because it was embarrassed
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  Speaker 5: to be seen running in a day I was working
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  Speaker 5: as in schools, teaching poetry creative writing in schools in
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  Speaker 5: London with kids who are kind of from particularly tough backgrounds,
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  Speaker 5: and I didn't want them to see me failing, and
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  Speaker 5: so it was so hard to get their respect in
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  Speaker 5: the classroom. They thought, if any of these kids see
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  Speaker 5: me sweating and walking and berating myself in the daytime,
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  Speaker 5: then basically you know, it's going to be really hard
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  Speaker 5: to get them through the course.
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  Speaker 4: So I started running at night.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, what time and night are we talking here?
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  Speaker 4: We're talking one, two, three o'clock in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: How do you stay safe between one and three am running?
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  Speaker 5: Well, generally around that time I would have been coming
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  Speaker 5: out of a recording studio and so I would have
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  Speaker 5: been running home in my neighborhood. And I think generally,
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  Speaker 5: when you're you know, when you've lived in the neighborhood
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  Speaker 5: for a long time and you know a lot of
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  Speaker 5: the characters that you see, and maybe you know the
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  Speaker 5: people who might be causing you harm, you're kind of okay.
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  Speaker 1: So you're saying, I just need to learn all the
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  Speaker 1: questionable people in my neighborhood and it'll be good.
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  Speaker 4: You know. It's a really strange thing. I just growing
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  Speaker 4: up in London.
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  Speaker 5: It's kind of London is such a multicultural melting pot
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  Speaker 5: of different types of people. One of the biggest lessons
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  Speaker 5: that I learned is that when you move into a
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  Speaker 5: new neighborhood, introduce yourself to as many people in that
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  Speaker 5: neighborhood as you can, including the criminals, because they will
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  Speaker 5: keep you safe.
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  Speaker 3: I like it. I like it.
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  Speaker 1: There's a guy that lives downstairs, well he doesn't live downstairs,
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  Speaker 1: but he feels like he lives downstairs. And he always
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  Speaker 1: sits on the bench in front of the laundromat, and
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  Speaker 1: every morning when I go outside at five fifty to
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  Speaker 1: go running, he is there and I say hi, and
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  Speaker 1: he says, have a sap run and then I come
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  Speaker 1: back and he says, how was it all the time?
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  Speaker 3: And it's nice because it's like someone's waiting for me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so not all that long ago.
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  Speaker 1: On your Instagram you said, hold on, you mean the
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  Speaker 1: life I dreamt about when I was a kid is
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  Speaker 1: actually happening right now. So let's rewind it back, because
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't like all of a sudden one day you
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  Speaker 1: decided to start running at one thirty in the morning,
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  Speaker 1: and you were a DJ and you were a poet
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  Speaker 1: and you were doing all these things. So I want
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  Speaker 1: to remind it back and bring you back to your
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  Speaker 1: humble beginning. Talk to me about what life was like
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  Speaker 1: growing up for you.
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  Speaker 5: I always tell people that growing up for me was
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  Speaker 5: a bit like living I call it the Bermuda Triangle
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  Speaker 5: because my parents are from Gharaner in West Africa. I
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  Speaker 5: grew up in a neighborhood that was predominantly West Indian
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  Speaker 5: and I went to very well to do posh private
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  Speaker 5: school in London. I managed to get myself an assisted place.
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  Speaker 5: In the early eighties, they basically decided to start diversifying
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  Speaker 5: private school education. So what they would do is essentially
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  Speaker 5: bust kids in from the hood, and my mum basically
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  Speaker 5: said to me, I know, you want to go to
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  Speaker 5: the local comprehensive where all of the bad boys go,
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  Speaker 5: but you can't go there. So you're going to go
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  Speaker 5: to Alaine's and you're going to study, and we're going
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  Speaker 5: to get your tutor and you're going to go there
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  Speaker 5: because that's basically going to just open up the avenues
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  Speaker 5: of what you can achieve because at that time, kind
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  Speaker 5: of growing up in London, there weren't very many avenues
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  Speaker 5: for you. The unfortunate thing about that is that basically
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  Speaker 5: you then feel very displaced because you're you're in a school,
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  Speaker 5: you know, as one of only four black kids in
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  Speaker 5: my school in the whole time I was there, it's
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  Speaker 5: over a thousand children in school. Jude Law is in
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  Speaker 5: you below me, actor dude. The school is basically filled
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  Speaker 5: with people who've got lots of money and privilege, and
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  Speaker 5: then there's me just feeling really out of place and
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  Speaker 5: trying to find myself. And growing up was just a
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  Speaker 5: struggle just trying to find, you know, just to have
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  Speaker 5: a voice. And that's really essentially why I kind of
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  Speaker 5: fell in love with DJing because it was the first
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  Speaker 5: thing that I discovered in life that gave me power
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  Speaker 5: and gave me status, you know, both in my neighborhood
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  Speaker 5: and more importantly in my school, you know. And so
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  Speaker 5: there's a very significant moment where I had where I
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  Speaker 5: picked up the needle of the record that was playing,
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  Speaker 5: and five hundred people just stopped and stared at me,
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  Speaker 5: and I was like, wow, man, Like, you know, no
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  Speaker 5: one's ever listened to anything that's ever come out of
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  Speaker 5: my mouth before, no one's.
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  Speaker 4: Ever really noticed me.
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  Speaker 5: But this whole room, for the people that noticing me
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  Speaker 5: right now, I think I'm going to continue doing this thing.
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  Speaker 1: Was it intimidating to have that kind of power, for
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  Speaker 1: lack of a better word, not really.
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  Speaker 5: If anything, it was intimidating to just to scope with
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  Speaker 5: the amount of pressure that was being placed upon me.
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  Speaker 4: My mom wanted me to go to Oxford.
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  Speaker 5: You know, many of young African kids growing up in
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  Speaker 5: London at the time, you were kind of being forced
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  Speaker 5: in a very traditional form of employment. So lawyer, doctor,
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  Speaker 5: those were the only two professions that are available to you.
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  Speaker 5: And want to hear about you being a DJ or
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  Speaker 5: being a creative. That just wasn't the thing that you did. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: So there was just this expectation like, you're going to
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  Speaker 5: go to Oxford University, You're going to go to talk
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  Speaker 5: to the university, You're going to continue to the tradition
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  Speaker 5: of people in our family going to Oxford University. And
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  Speaker 5: I suddenly just woke up one day and was like,
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to go.
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  Speaker 3: What happened when you told her that, Oh all.
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  Speaker 4: Hell broke loose?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I listened to NWA in public enemy in my
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  Speaker 5: room and it wasn't going there very well. I actually
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  Speaker 5: got sent back to Ghana three times in the eighties.
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  Speaker 5: Oh as a way, but obviously what happens. You know,
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  Speaker 5: you arride back in Ghana and you've got all the
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  Speaker 5: freshest trainers and all the freshest gear, and you all
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  Speaker 5: this music that you know about, and you're from London
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  Speaker 5: and everyone thinks you're a millionaire, and suddenly it was
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  Speaker 5: like really cool. So then I got sent back to
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  Speaker 5: London and then got sent back again, and then spent
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  Speaker 5: like some time just going backwards forwards, and eventually they
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  Speaker 5: this gave up and said, I guess if this music
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  Speaker 5: thing is something you really want to do, just make
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  Speaker 5: sure that you're the best at it that you can
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  Speaker 5: possibly be.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's probably pretty applicable.
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  Speaker 1: I mean even to your philosophy now, in that whatever
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  Speaker 1: you're doing, in whichever way you're doing it, your goal
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  Speaker 1: is to really give it everything you have.
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  Speaker 5: I just think that if you're going to do something,
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  Speaker 5: step into your light and give it one hundred and
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  Speaker 5: ten percent of your effort, because there's nothing like regret
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  Speaker 5: when you look back in your life and you think,
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  Speaker 5: you know what I really wish I tried a bit harder.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: So you knew that you wanted to make DJing music
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  Speaker 1: your full time schick Oxford was not happening.
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  Speaker 5: It was not happening. But I you know, I did
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  Speaker 5: go to university, you know, just to keep my mum happy.
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  Speaker 5: But more importantly I went because at that time you
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  Speaker 5: got a student grant. I think they gave you three
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  Speaker 5: thousand pounds a year to basically go to university, and
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  Speaker 5: I spent most of that in the first week on records.
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  Speaker 3: So there's no way to control what you stand that on.
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  Speaker 5: No, they basically just gave you the money you're supposed
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  Speaker 5: to spend it on food and accommodation, and I just
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  Speaker 5: I just spent it.
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  Speaker 1: On music, okay, And so what happened when you needed
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  Speaker 1: the money for all the things that you were.
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  Speaker 3: Supposed to use the money for.
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  Speaker 5: Well, by that time I was kind of making money
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  Speaker 5: from the djingh perfect, So basically, so yeah, it was
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  Speaker 5: all fueling itself.
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  Speaker 1: So when's the moment that you realize that you're actually
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  Speaker 1: truly really good at this DJ thing? Because I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: it's not when you get signed.
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  Speaker 4: No, it's not at all.
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  Speaker 5: I think when I got to dj in the club
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  Speaker 5: in London called the White Club that was kind of
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  Speaker 5: quite a seminal kind of space, and once you got
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  Speaker 5: to play there, that was kind of like your status
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  Speaker 5: and the DJ rankings kind of went up. I think
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  Speaker 5: for me really going into black market records and not
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  Speaker 5: having to wait to be served, like when you walk
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  Speaker 5: into the record shop and then they're like, we've got
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  Speaker 5: your bag here for you, Charlie, and we've selected all
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  Speaker 5: these like tunes for you and your name was on it.
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  Speaker 5: It's really weird now when you tell people about this,
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  Speaker 5: because obviously the way people consume and buy music is
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  Speaker 5: very different. Time there was kind of you know, you
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  Speaker 5: went to the shop and you waited until the super
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  Speaker 5: DJs had basically you know, taken what they wanted, and
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  Speaker 5: you picked up the scraps.
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  Speaker 4: And I think also what happened.
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  Speaker 5: I remember coming home one day and my mom was like,
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  Speaker 5: someone called you from Germany and they want you to
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  Speaker 5: come to DJ And she was just like, I can't
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  Speaker 5: believe that someone's actually going to pay to fly you
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  Speaker 5: to another country to play records.
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  Speaker 4: It was like, you know, really alien to her.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think that she started to come around?
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  Speaker 5: Then she came around when she asked for microwave microwaves
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  Speaker 5: of five hundred pounds. At that time, they were really
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  Speaker 5: expensive and if you went to someone's house and then
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  Speaker 5: a microwave, you were like, wow, you must be doing
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  Speaker 5: really well. And she and she mentioned that she wanted
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  Speaker 5: a microwave, and I bought her a microwave the next
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  Speaker 5: day with my DJ money. And after that she was like,
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  Speaker 5: whatever this thing is you're doing, it's a missing carry on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in Okay, So spoiler alert, as I already said,
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  Speaker 1: you get signed.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I got signed to a label, independent label called
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  Speaker 5: MOA's Records around about ninety.
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  Speaker 4: Three, I think.
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  Speaker 5: And I've always been one of those people that basically
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  Speaker 5: fakes it to you make it and basically, if an
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  Speaker 5: opportunity comes up, I grab and then learn how to
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  Speaker 5: work it out along the way.
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  Speaker 4: So I met this guy called Maca McLaren.
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  Speaker 5: Ran about nineteen eighty nine, and he was the manager
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  Speaker 5: of a bank called the Sex Pistols, and he gave
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  Speaker 5: me some amazing advice. He said, if you ever want
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  Speaker 5: to do anything in your life, do it yourself. Do
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  Speaker 5: it as much as you can yourself until you need help.
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  Speaker 5: And then when you ask someone for help, make sure
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  Speaker 5: they're helping you to do something that you can't already
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  Speaker 5: do by yourself. So happened to be in a record
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  Speaker 5: shop in labrit Grove. I meet this guy called James Leavell.
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  Speaker 5: He looks me up and down. He's sixteen years old
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  Speaker 5: and he's trying to break the stronghold of the UK
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  Speaker 5: music industry because at that time it's kind of very
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  Speaker 5: old guard and it's kind of old dude's have been
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  Speaker 5: in the industry for a long time. And he says
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  Speaker 5: to me, look, you look like you're into hip hop?
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  Speaker 5: Can you make me some records? I'm starting this record
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  Speaker 5: company and you look like you can You know, you
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  Speaker 5: look the part can you make records?
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  Speaker 4: And I just lied.
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: I was just like, yeah, man, youin I make records
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: all the time. Yeah, like you know, I've got studio
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: at home, like yeah, yeah, no worries. And I literally
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: then was like, right, I need to find someone to
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: help me make this music. And I went, you know,
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: and I went and did that, and then it all
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: started from there.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: It all started from there.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: So you get signed, and what is the shift in
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: life at this point? Like what was? And then what
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: becomes with this change in your career?
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: The changes You start making money and you start getting recognized.
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: And it's a very weird thing when you go from
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: I've got absolutely no money in my bank account whatsoever,
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: and now I'm getting paid cash in hand and I'm
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: making so much money from the because I think, you know,
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: in the early nineties that was kind of like the
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: big DJ explosion and you know something, You're walking into
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: the bank with fifteen pounds, the bank managers looking at
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: you like if you just robbed the banking No, no,
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: it's honest money.
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: I made it from djaying.
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: You know, it's all very new, and it was just
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: a really amazing, you know, part of cultures to be
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: evolved in. But I think the most amazing thing is
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: when you hold your record in your hand for the
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: first time, Like when you physically are holding the thing
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: that you made and you play it. I remember ringing
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: my friend up and it's like and I played the
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: record and I stopped it on the record player and
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: he's like, you can hear the scream in the background.
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, he made a record and it's real,
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: you know, And that was really cool.
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: And then you know, the thing is the whirl wind
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: starts and suddenly people start writing about you, and you're
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: flying around the world and you're going to different countries,
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: and you're making this kind of disposable money, and you're
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: meeting lots of really interesting people around the world, and
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: you're having all these experiences with people that kind of
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: seem slightly unreal, but you don't want to admit to
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: the fact that you maybe you're swimming slightly out of
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: your depth. I went on tour with like the Foo
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: Fighters and the Beastie Boys and Buork and I just
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: remember sitting there in the lift thinking, man, like if
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: the crashes now, like you know, there's going to be
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: this cultural musical shift, right now, but just kind of,
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: you know, it's weird. It's one of those weird things.
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: I think when you're with people who kind of you've
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: admired and then suddenly you're kind of hanging out with them,
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: you just kind of just like, yeah, you know, you
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: just try and be cool, and really you're in the
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: toilet like freaking out.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: Like, oh my god, Buork just spoke to me. Oh
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: my god, that's that's so amazing.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: What is Buorke doing now?
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: Valid question Byork is probably being super creative somewhere, because
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: she's a super creative person.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: I dealt with impastor syndrome what you're talking about a lot.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: When I first got into what I felt was like
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: the major leagues of my industry, and I was the
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: fitness editor itself, and it was at the time my
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: dream opportunity and a Good Morning America had called and
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: they wanted me to come on and lead this fitness segment.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: And I remember sitting down with a friend of mine,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: another trainer, and I said, this is just crazy that
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: they want me to do this, and he was like,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: are you a certified trainer?
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: And I was like yes.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: He's like, are you the fitness editor Itself magazine. I
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: was like, yes, He's like, then you are the only
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: things standing in your way right now. So whatever in
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: pastor syndrome situation you're dealing with, shut that to the side,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: appreciate your skill set and go out there and be
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: your best self because no one is going to just
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: wait for you to show up.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: You have to show up.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I thought that was really to suck with me ever since.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: I think everyone has some imposter syndrome.
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: Every person I've ever met, regardless of what level they are.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: At some point you have the conversation about it's pretty
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: strange that we're doing this. I did a program for
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: the BBC with a royal family, Prince Harry, Prince William,
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: Kate Midlerton, and we're hanging out and you know the
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: sas my weird wonderful life. You know, the essays are there,
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: the secret services are there, and I remember having this
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: conversation with Harry and he's just like, it's so crazy
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: that this is my job and he's talking We're talking
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: about imposter syndrome, really really weird. Yeah, it just happens
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: at every level. I think in some ways it's quite
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: a nice thing. Yeah, because it kind of keeps you
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: a bit grounded, because when you lose that, that's when
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: things start going a bit out of control. You know,
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: the record happen gets a bit too much.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: So what happens for you now is that you do
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: start to get a little caught up and everything that's happening.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, I was listening.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I told Charlie before we started that I was doing
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: some background research aka like listening to at least two
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: or three podcasts that he had been on, and on
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: one of them, you said that you had a Mercedes
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: G wagon. Yep, you had four hundred pairs of sneakers, yep,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: you had forty thousand records, yep. You'd accumulated all of
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: the material things and you woke up one day and
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: you were like, what am I doing? So tell me
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: about that day. Tell me what it was like to
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: wake up this day and be like, bro, I.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: Think there's a really strange thing where you kind of
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: buy into the thing where society determines your worth and
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: your social status by the stuff you had, and you know,
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: and you publicly showing people that you've got stuff, you
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: don't need to be driving a g wagon around in London,
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: the roads are not big enough. You know, as soon
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: as you move the thing, the petrol gage just goes
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: straight away, you know. You take it to Mercedes, they
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: charge you a big load of money. But there's kind of,
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: you know, there was something cool about that. I just
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: I think that actually, you know, all my life, I've
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: been told that, you know, you are nothing unless you
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: have stuff. And you've gone to school with people who've
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: got stuff, you know, and they've got all this stuff
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: that you don't have, and so there's all this comparison thing.
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: So you try and level yourself up by competing, you know,
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: with the trainers, with the you know, who's got the
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: rarest records. I don't need four hundred pairs of trainings.
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: I'm not a millipede that just don't need that amount
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: of footwear, you know.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: So I think there was just.
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: A moment where I just remember looking in the mirror
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: just thinking, what are you doing? This is not you.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: And I think lots of us when we're growing up,
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: we adopt these personas and characters and personalities just to
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: kind of get us full school life, and it then
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: trickles down into university life and then into adult life.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: And then before you know, you're like, you know, thirty,
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: and you're still pretending to be someone that you're not.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: So I think, yeah, that was kind of like a
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: really big moment for me, and I was just tremendously unhappy.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: And when is this.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: This is kind of around two thousand and one and
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: we got dropped as well. So when you find you know,
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: when you're making music, you're you're constantly thinking about the future,
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: and you're constantly trying to get the big deal, and
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: then finally you get the big deal, you know, and
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: getting signed to Sony Records at that moment time, you know,
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: that was a big deal, a lot of cash, there's
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: a lot of expectation on you, but ultimately the stakes
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: are so much higher. And I remember what happened with
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: Charda decided either someone broke Chardet's heart or she basically
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: for some reason, her album got delayed, and it just
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: threw the whole of Sony Records into panic because they're like,
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: you know, Chardy's like the Golden Goose Goose, and all
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: of a sudden they start getting rid of all of
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: the smaller subsidiary labels. And I remember being on the
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: beach in Saint Lucia, and you know, my A and
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: R man is not returning my cause. And you always
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: notice something up when the people who are kind of
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: like would do anything for you suddenly stop. You can't
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: get hold of them. And I'm just saying to the
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: rest of the band and like we're gonna.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: Get dropped, and everybody's.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: Like, no, no, it's fine, let's go and buy another
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: g wagon. I'm like, no, no, no, let's not do that. No,
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: And and it happened, And so you know, you kind
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: of come home and you've got all the stuff, but
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: you you know, you kind of like you're just looking
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: in the mirror and your eyes are a bit dead,
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: and you just kind of you've just lost that zest
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: for life. You know that in few there's a weird
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: thing when you basically the thing that's your passion, that
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: you've always wanted to do suddenly becomes the thing that
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: feeds you. And then all of a sudden and you
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: start getting this anxiety in your body, you know, because
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: now it's really important and you're not just dejaying in
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: your bedroom to your teddy bears, but now you you know,
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: your main stage in the festival and there's fifteen thousand
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: people looking at and you like, you better be good
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: because I've had a really terrible week and you're responsible
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: for my happiness for the next two hours.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Dead stare, yeah, yeah, stare.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: And suddenly it's like, you know, you're hiding under the
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: table and your mind's gone blank, and it's kind of
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: it's all getting on top and you can't go and
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: talk to anyone because no one wants to talk about
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: mental health.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: It's not cool to talk about me. You know, you've
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: got to be strong.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: You gotta be your man, you got you know, you've
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: got a soldier through it was hard.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Well, at least in England they recognize that that's an issue.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: They do now don't recognize here yet that it's an issue,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: at least not you know, in the government.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: But at least your government is like, we got to
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: do something about this.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Well, they got to do something about something.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: So you have this realization that something's messed up and
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: this is a pri and you're dropped and you're like,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: what's next?
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: So how do you proceed from there?
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: I start teaching poetry and creative writing and always I
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: had an English teacher when I was at school and
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: I think thirteen or fourteen saw me crying in the playground.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: It was a Canadian dude, Actually love my Canadians, and
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: he said to me, I'm going to give you this
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: blank notebook and the pen, and the pen is going
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: to be a weapon, and the notebook's going to be
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: your best friend. And I know you're having a really
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: hard time at school, and I know it's hard for you.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: So what I need you to do is to start
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: expressing your feelings into this book. So I start writing
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: a lot of poetry and spoken word. And when I
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: left Uni, you know, the DJ bug had got me.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: But really I wanted to rap, but no one was
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: trying to rap with an English accent at that time.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: It's like, when you rap with an English accent, do
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: you have an English accent? Or is that only when
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: you sing that you don't have an English accent. This
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: is a real question.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: Now you have a super English accent because the music's
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: all changed. But back in the you know, early nine,
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: you were trying to.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Be as American as well.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're trying to pretend you're from the Bronx, Like definitely.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Just wanted to make sure you're on the same, So
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: do you have anything to drop at any time during
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: this podcast, Like, please feel free, you never know, Okay, continue.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: My girlfriends like me. So yeah.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: So I returned to writing poetry and performing, and then
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: I started teaching in schools and that was a real
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: outlet for me. It was kind of like, you know,
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: I wanted to kind of what I realized is you
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: can't just tell half the story. A lot of times
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: what people do is like they become musicians and are
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: like just about.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: The music man.
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: You know, it's like I don't care about the press
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: or anything, like, I just want to make music. And
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: suddenly you're giving all this responsibility to this stuff that
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: you've created to other people who don't really understand what
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: you do or know your life. So this time around,
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: I thought, I've got a second bite of the cherry,
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: and I want to make sure that I'm in control.
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: So I start writing the poetry and creative writing, and
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm doing really well in schools and you know,
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: start performing and then that school going really superwoll and
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: that kind of just helped me get my life back together.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: The running thing came in, and I don't know if
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: I'm preempting the question before you ask it.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: No, you're leading me into where I'm going, so please continue.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: But essentially what happens is I get known as a
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: performance poet and then I get asked to write a
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: one man show about my DJ career.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: And the show is called Have Box Wall Travel and.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: I'm playing like, you know, my mom, and I'm playing
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: like thirty six different characters in it. But I'm really
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: unfit because I've been in the music industry for all
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: this time and you know, we're just fitness is not
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: a thing that was cool at the time. And my director,
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: and this guy called Benji Read Amazing dude, says to me,
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: you know, you can't take this show on the UK
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: tour with the level of fitness that you have.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: In fact, what he said to me was, you're looking
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: a bit portly.
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: Charlie, And I was just like wow, man, Like you're
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: like the first person that's really ever.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: Called me out.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: Because when you're in the music industry, most people are
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: just kind of trying to massage your ego for as
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: much as possible. So when you finally have someone who's
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: known you quite a long time and knows you pre
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: you know, when you were to DJing in your bedroom
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: to your teddy bears and suddenly's like, actually, Charlie, you
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: need to fix up. You're not giving one hundred ten percent.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: You're not stepping into your light. And I can't work
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: with you unless you meet me. You know, I'm giving
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: my one hundred and ten percent and you're giving me fifty.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: So you need to step up. And that's why I
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: started running, you know, That's how the running came in.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: So where is the Christmas Day hurdle moment that we're going.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: To get to?
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: The Christmas Day moment is two thousand and six.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, so we're in two thousand and six and it's
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Christmas Day, yes, and you look in the mirror again
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: and you say to yourself.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: Today's day. I'm going out.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: I'm going out, going out, It's Christmas daily.
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: Thompson he was a really famous British athlete and he
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: basically that he always trained on Christmas Day because if
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: you could train on Christmas Day, then you can train
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: on any day. And I you know, till this day,
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: there's still this room and like, did he really train
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: on Christmas Day or was he just trying to wind
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: his rivals up, but I think there was something about
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: today's day, Christmas Day, and I went out and it
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: was a complete and utter failure, but there was just
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: something about it, like seeing the look some people where
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: they're like, you're running on Christmas Day? Like and again,
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: it was a bit like that DJ moment where I
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: picked up the needle. But suddenly I felt powerful again,
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: you know, because I was doing something that other people
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: weren't prepared to do.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get back to.
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  Speaker 1: It about how that first run felt because you declared
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: it a failure.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: But what made it a failure?
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Because I think in the long term it was probably
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: anything but that.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: I think when you.
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: Had been away from fitness for a while, you often
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: make the mistake to try and recapture the fitness that
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: you had when you previously were fit. I'm trying to
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: using lots of things. So I ran at school, I
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: ran for the school, I ran for the borough I held,
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: you know, as part of the four hundred meter relay team.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: We had the record.
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: It's like, so I went out on that Christmas Day
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: and for I'm just gonna come out of my house.
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: I'm going to go to the park because if I
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: tell people that I ran around the park, they're going
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: to be impressed because that kind of sounds like a
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: distance they know. And I'm going to run around it
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: as fast as I can. And I'm obviously going to
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: be as fast as I was when I was sixteen,
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: and let's go get it up. And it was painfully,
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: humbly embarrassing.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: How long is that? Like park situation?
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: Oh, the park is a big park, okay, and it's
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: and young.
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: Four thing is if you are running in Christmas Day,
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: everyone thinks you know what you're doing.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: So then they watching you.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: Like, oh my god, you're going out, he's going he's
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: oh he's slowing down.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: Oh he stopped. Oh he's being sick. Oh hold them minute.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: And that was, you know, that was a meford And
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: I remember coming back into my house and just thinking, wow, man,
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: you know, like there's got to be another way. And
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: then so that's kind of how the nighttime came about.
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: Was like, Okay, I can't run in the daytime because
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: I'm not very good and I can't let any of
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: the kids in my neighborhood see me failing at something.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: They need to think that I'm.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Like here, So you start running, and you're doing it
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: for a little while before you let on to anyone
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: else that you're running.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: One of my friends was just like, what are you doing?
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: He was convinced I was on some crazy drugs. He
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: was just like, Okay, what drugs are you on?
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: Hook me up?
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: Because because my whole demeanor change, my body's changed. I lost,
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: Like I think I was like free stone, heavier than
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: I am.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Now I lost me with the translation here, okay.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: So free stone is a stone is fourteen pounds?
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Oh you lost a lot of weight?
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, yeah yeah I was. I was.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: I was a hefty guy.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: We have this thing come into that.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: Do you work for that phrase as well.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I don't have stone equivalents, but I lost seventy pounds
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: in college.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, well there you go.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Okay, so running, yeah it is good for the bar.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah okay, so lose the stone.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: I lose the stones.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: My face starts, my eyes get sparkly again, and I
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: just suddenly developed this zest for life and then more importantly,
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: I fall back in love with making music again because
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: I remember running. You know, I'm living in East London,
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: and I start thinking to myself, I'm making all this
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: music for the dance floor, but what would happen if
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: I made music for my run, Like I started making
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: my own bespoke music to run to.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: That'd be pretty cool, you know.
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: And so I started doing that, I started soundtracking and
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: kind of getting into recordings, and like, you know, I
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: just fell back in love with making music again. It
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: was one of the best things that I ever did,
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: and it taught me how to listen, and in fact,
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: it reconnected me in my senses, you know, because I
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: think what happened is I kind of my foot was
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: the soft accelerator and that was back on again, and
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: I was doing something that no one else was doing
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: and that was really exciting. And that kind of reminded
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: me again about when I first started making music, Because
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: when I first started making music, if I first started djaying,
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: I was the only DJ in my road. Now, when
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: I go to my mum's house and in sometime every
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: house you walk past, when the windows open, you can
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: hear someone making the track stopping going back to the
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: beginning and starting again.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: You're not cool because you DJ.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: You're not cool because you're into music or collect records
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: or trainers or any of that stuff anymore. So it
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: was like this little thing that I had that was mine.
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: And then my friends started finding out. And then one
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: of my friends died in his sleep, and that was
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: the catalyst for me. I was like, right, all of
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: these people that I've grown up with, you know, we've
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: all got into music industry together at the same around
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: the same time.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: But now various different people are.
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: Getting ill, you know, and I like them and I
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: like the things that they create, So what can I
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: do to keep them around for longer? And then Facebook
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: basically became a thing that people started using. I've been
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: on this DJ tour and I went to Philadelphia. I
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: met this guy called King brit and he was telling
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: me about this cye called Friends Star. He was like,
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: it's really amazing. It's this thing and you can keep
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: in touch with your friends when you're flying around the world.
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: And I was like, why wouldn't you just call them
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: up on the telephone. He was just like, no, no, no,
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: that's not what you do. You just sit your keyboard
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: with your laptop and then you send an email and
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: it's like this social media thing and you do that,
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: and I was like, okay, that's really cool.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: And that's pre space, right yeah, yeah, and the friends
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: that goes into Facebook.
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: And then what happens is everyone, you know, we're now
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: making money and were flying around the world and laptops
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: get really powerful. When technology gets powerful, something's got to give.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: And what gave in the music industry is now you
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: don't need these big studios because you can make records
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: in your bedroom. In fact, people are now making records
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: on PlayStations, you know. And so this whole really tight
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: music community that was based around studios is now kind
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: of dissipating, like you know, like that scene in Star
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: Wars when the asteroids kind of like you know, the
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: hiding the Millennium Fork. I'm getting geeky now, but if
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: you know Star Wars, you know there's that bit where
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: they kind of chuck the rubbish out of the Death
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: Star and then the Millennium Fork and kind of drifts away,
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: and that what was happening. And so I was just like, right,
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: I don't get to see my friends anymore. I get
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: to see their names in dressing rooms around the world,
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: but I actually want to see them physically. So that happened,
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: and then I started.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: One day.
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: I was running late at night, and it was hard,
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: you know, because it's hard when you're running by yourself
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: and you can't really tell anyone, so you've got no
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: one to train with, so you're really having to motivate yourself.
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: So I made up all these imaginary characters in my
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: head and that was the That was the genesis of.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Rundom Crew, the imaginary character.
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: Imaginary characters, made up all these nicknames for all these
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: various different people who would come literally like they would come.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: Running with me.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: So when does the real crew start?
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: The real crew comes with My friend Morgan, producer, says
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: to me, dude, whatever you're doing, I want to do
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: it with you. And I was like, right, wicked great.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: So Friday night we're going to go for run and
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: he's like, how far we're going to go. I'm like,
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: we're going to run a mile and we're like and
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: I'm like, we're gonna put it on Facebook. And then
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: so we started running together and then we thought to ourselves, well,
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: we need to get a photographer in because no one's
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: going to believe that we're doing this, so we've got
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: to start taking pictures. And then we didn't know about
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: stretching or any of that stuff. So we got one
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: of my dancer friends who kind of he was like
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: the only person I knew who knew about a body,
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: you know, because up en to that point, I'm just like,
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: I'm treating my body like a spacesuit that's been loaned
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: to me. I don't really know what it does or
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: it's full potential, so I'm only just finding out now,
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: you know. So and then I'm and my good friend
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: Andrew missing him. We actually came to New York to
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: do some work with the Studiom's in Harlem, and we
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: had this meeting and then he's I'm like, what are
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: you doing now? I'm like, let's go to the record
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: shop and he's like, oh no, I've got to go
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: and do a twenty mile training run. I'm like, what
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: do you mean. He's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I'm training
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: for the New York Merathon. So I got go and
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: run twenty miles And at that point, I was like,
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: twenty miles just seemed like so far to me. Was
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: just like unfathomable. And then he became the you know,
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: one of the final people. And every Friday night for
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: about six months, we would go out and we'd run
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: a mile, and then the mile became a mile and
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: a half, and then we'd go and eat food afterwards.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: And it was just a small thing that we were doing,
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: and it was tundling along, and then a big thing happened, and.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Then a big thing happened. This is another thing we
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: have in coming. This is blowing my mind. It's really
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: starting to get crazy. When I started running every day around.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: One mile, yeah, just one yeah, yeah, that's it.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: That's all tics. Okay, So you have a crew. I've
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: got a little crew, little crew, yep, and you're running.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: I've got a little crew. I'm on it. We're running around.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: And then this group of kids that are taught in
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: East London, they won the London School's Poetry Slam competition
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: and they got to go on the school exchange to Chicago.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: And these kids, like their lives were transformed. They'd literally
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: gone from the lowest of self esteems, very inarticulate, not
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: being able to look you in the eye, you know,
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: getting into all types of trouble they all become poets.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: We go and do this amazing competition. It was a
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: bit like a movie. In fact, it's kind of we
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: go to Chicago and we have this amazing time, and
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: then they come back, and then the money for the
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: project drives up, and then gradually this type group of
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: kids start going back into their old ways, and then
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: some of them getting into some real serious trouble. And
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: I just think to myself, this running thing that I'm
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: doing maybe the thing that can help these kids. We
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: had a thing in London called postcode Wars where you
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: had certain kids who you know, they maybe lived in
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: Peckham and they could never go to Campbell even though
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: they're literally five streets away. So my idea is like, right,
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: how can I safely get these kids from this area
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: to this area? In fact, how can I get kids
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: who basically have never been outside of their neighborhood to
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: actually start exploring their city? And I thought to myself, well,
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: you see twenty kids coming to you in hoodies, You're
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: going to cross the road. You might be scared. They
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: come past you and running kit, You're probably going to
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: start applauding. And so I just put them in running
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: kit and was just like, right, I've got this running
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: thing that I'm doing, come on down. And then so
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: they joined us. And then what I realized is one
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: of the biggest problems that young people have and at
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: the moment is there's nothing that they can do that's intergenerational.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: So it's very hard for young person to learn wisdom
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: from someone who's older than them because there's no spaces.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Where they get to meet.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: You know, especially now that you know a lot of
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: the nightclubs have closed down and so you don't have
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: these public spaces where you know, different types of people
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: can come together. So it started with trying to introduce
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: kids to people who are older themselves who could maybe
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: mentor them and help them and just give them a
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: little perspective on life. And then it suddenly was like,
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: there are all these people I know who are moving
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: into areas that are going through gentrification, who are feeling
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: slightly guilty because they've brought the gentrification and they want
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: to connect with the members of the community and they
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: don't know how to. So suddenly this Rundom Crew thing
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: started taking on all these really different angles. And then
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: the Olympics kind of loomed up on the horizon. And
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: then that was the kind of that was the real
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: final part. Why when they announced Olympics that coming to London,
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: Suddenly all you're thinking is that's a large amount of
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: money that's about to be spent, and that money's got
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: to come from somewhere, and they're gonna take it from somewhere.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: And I was living in the area where the Olympics were.
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: It was like a spaceship had just been landed. Like
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: in four years time, you're gonna have the Olympics. And
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: if you lived in East London at that time, you
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: were like, what, they're gonna put an Olympic stadium there? No,
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: they're not, Like you just couldn't You just couldn't fathom
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: because it was like the ars end of London, Like
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: no one wanted to live in yeast, you know, and
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: straight it was a dumping ground. And suddenly you're seeing these,
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: you know, plans are like we're gonna make this amazing
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: Olympic park and an aquatic center and there's gonna be
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: a running track and this, and then the whole community
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: is gonna come out and use it. And I was
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: just like, you don't see people moving in London it's
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: not la. You go on DJ trips and people be
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: like would be like going to the gym, and you'd
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: be like, what's wrong with you?
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: Like why are you going to the gym? Like you
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: know you're not on state.
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: You know you're not on MC, you're not trying to
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: grow like esthetic stage muscles.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: So we don't want to look good on stage.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: Well DJs do want to look at and say, but
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: most DJ's at that time we're a bit nerdy, you know,
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: so they're not boxing off the top and like pyrotechnics flight.
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: It wasn't that time, you know, so you were just
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: a bit like what you're doing in the gym?
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: And so my thing was like I don't want to
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: live in an area where they're going to go and
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: spend all of this money and then it's going to
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: become a ghost town afterwards and we've got all these
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: empty facilities that.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: No one's using.
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: So I was just like, right, I'm going to build
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: a fitness community in East London so that at least
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: when the Olympics go, there's going to be a group
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: of people who will basically be using the facilities and
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: hopefully that will spark a bit of a catalyst for
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: other people to you know, to also use these facilities.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Did it happen how you envisioned it to happen.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: Definitely not. No, no, definitely not. It grew much much
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: bigger than I thought it was going to go. Because
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: we're doing our thing in London, and then we hear
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: about this group in New York called the Bridge Runners,
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: and I was like, okay, And what was really interesting
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: about it is the guy who runs the Bridge Runners.
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: Mike says when the founders of Bridge Runners, I knew
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: for music days, you know, and I knew him he
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: used to curate a hip hop museum, and so I
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: was just thinking it can't be the same guy, like
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: who used to basically be the hip hop museum guy.
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: And then I was reading he sent me a list
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: of ten of their fastest runners from Bridge Runners, and
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: there was a name in there and it said NX Robinson,
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: and I was like, what the dude who was the
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: editor from Fader magazine. I've never seen him run a
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: mile in my life. And so suddenly I'm suddenly hearing
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: like there are these other people that I know for
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: my former life who were also you know, getting into
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: fitness and moving and that was really exciting. And then
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: we hear about these guys in Paris Paris Run Club,
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: and then the Amsterdam guys from Pasar and suddenly I realized,
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: it's like this little thing that you started, there's other
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: people doing it all around the world. We need to
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: connect with them and find out how to do it,
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: because I hadn't. You know, when you go from running
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: by yourself to running with five of your friends, there's
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: still a very big leap who and suddenly you look
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: behind you and there's one hundred people and you don't
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: know what you're doing, and they're all looking at you
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: like you think you like you know that you know
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: what you're doing, and you're making it up as you
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: go along. The first guy we met in run Them
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: who like had run a math and I think you
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: ran it in five and a half hours. We thought
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: he was a god. We were like, man, dude, like
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: you can do whatever you want, Like, man, you ran
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: twenty six miles.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: Wow, you running It was like 'un believable.
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: But there was this kind of innocence to it which
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: just reminded me of being a teenager and discovering music.
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: And it was really, really exciting, and it was really
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: exciting to be around new people who weren't looking at
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: me as like, oh you're Charlie's up the DJ. They
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: were just like, oh you're Charlie Dark.
• 45:58
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  Speaker 1: But if you underestimate its power, it will break you
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  Speaker 1: in ways you never thought possible. You've run seven plus
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: marathons Copenhagen, Paris, Chicago, Yeah.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: I on Chicago, New York, Blin London a few times.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Did any of those truly break you?
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: Paris Marathon was the first one I did that broke me.
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: I mean in ways like I ran behind this one
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: and for sixteen miles. I don't know if you know.
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: Like basically, sometimes when you run long distances, you can
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: find that you want to go to the toilet, and
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: if you're going for a time, you might not want
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: to stop to run off to the toilet. So you
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: might just do it as you're running along. Oh, and
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: so I was running behind her. You can edit this
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: bit out for about sixteen miles and then basically she
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: decided to go to the toilet in front of me
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: and kept her running.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: That was quite interesting. You're looking at me in disbelief
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: it does happen.
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So that was like that was like I was like, wow, man,
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: you guys are really so obsessed by the time that
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: you would do that. Secondly, got cramps. I just underestimated
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: the distance. I just turned up and thought, well, you know,
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: I'll be fine. It was just really it was weird.
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: It was just kind of one of those things where
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: I was winging it and that broke me hood to coast.
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: That definitely did some things to my body that are still,
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: you know, being repaired right now. I think you learn
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: lessons every time that you run, but I think when
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: you go and run a marathon you definitely learn some
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: lessons because I think the problem is like a bit
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: like fighting. Most people learn how to fight from watching TV,
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: so they think that actually, when they punt someone, there's
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: going to be that batman sound like wow, and then
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: the person's going to fall down to the floor. And
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: so if you watch marathons on the TV, really all
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: you really see are kind of, you know, the elite athletes,
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: that's all the story is all about. So you kind
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: of just think that basically it's this constant like once
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: you start, it's just this constant journey all the way.
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: And then you run a marathon and you get to
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: the first water station and it's like chaos. People elbowing you,
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: like there's all this weird stuff that you've never even
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: thought would happen. People start collapsing, like they get all
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: this weird things that happened to you. And I just
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: underestimated it and I had to go almost have to
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: go back, and really it was a really humbling experience
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: my first couple of marathons.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: Do you remember the finish line moment from the first one, Yeah.
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: Definitely, The tears were so real. And also at the time,
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: I was, you know when I first oh wow, I
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: mean I must have been around two two thousand and seven.
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: I think I did the first one.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, pretty quick, and yeah, run journey.
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah we wanted to because also what's happening is people
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: are like, why are you running? What happens in your
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: friendship circle when you start getting fit, is everyone in
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: your circle starts to having to start look at themselves.
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: So there were the people who were very supportive of
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: your journey, but then they were the people who want
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: you to fail because ultimately, if you get fit, then
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: they have to get fit. You know, suddenly you don't
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: want to be in the club you want to be
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: You're like, I need the early set because I got
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: to run, you know, fifteen miles in the morning. Promoters
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: looking at you like you're crazy, and so my whole
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: friendship circle is starting to change. And so I was like, right,
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna run a marathons because if I run a
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: marathon and that proves I'm really a runner. And I'm
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: going to gonna pluck this number from finn Air that's
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: gonna sound good to people who don't run. And that
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: number is traditionally sub four.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Hours, the mystical waves, the hand in the air, sub
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: four hours.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna run sub four. Yeah, and I didn't run
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: some four.
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: I think I ran four forty seven or something like that,
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: you know, and you know, that was quite humbling to
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: come back and people were like, so you ran sub
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: four And I remember saying no, I ran four hours
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: forty seven.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: And they were like, what do you do? Do you
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: walk around? And I was like, I just one one
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: of the hardest things that I've ever done in my life.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: No shade, no shade, exactly.
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And then we went through this phase with just
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: you know, you don't get the time you want, so
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: you just start signing up to anything. You just any race,
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: you know, and it's just so you can look like
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: mister t and have loads of medals around and kind
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: of yeah, I made every marathon mistake that you possibly
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: could make.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Obviously, there are some potential soon to be New York
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: City of marathons in the room.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: By the time of episode airs, they will have done it. Yes,
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: so congrats.
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: That was a really kind of like BBC polite, we're
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: having to clap because we have to clap and not
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: a real kind of like make noise for the marathon people.
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: Name. Thank you mean a lot to the world.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: We needed that. We needed that.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, sos, some marathoners in the room. You just mentioned
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: marathon mistakes. Yes, number one mistake you have made running
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: a marathon.
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: Okay, So you arrive and there's water everywhere, and so
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: because there's water everywhere and it's free. You just start
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: drinking as much water as you can because it's the
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: thing to do.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: Nervous energy. And then, of course what happens. You need
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: to go to the toilet, but the toilet queue is
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: three miles long. That's one of the big mistakes. Okay,
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: Oh second one.
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: Don't go to your mum's house to go and eat
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: some crazy food that you've never had before two days
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: before your marathon. Because that also, don't buy, don't wear
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: new shoes, don't go and buy new socks.
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: I've done all of the I'm.
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: Want to look fresh to death when I line up
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: on the thing. I got brand new trainer's, brand new socks,
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: brand new kit. Oh my god, why my nipples bleeding?
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: I don't understand what's going on. And the most important thing,
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: you know, for me is when I first started running marathons,
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: in particular, there weren't loads of people of color running,
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: and so people would be looking at you like, well,
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: he's not Kenyan, you know.
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: And that was the thing, like people be like, you're
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: not Kenyan, why are you running? You know?
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: And and it was a real thing and I and
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: I really felt like I was being looked at. And
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: also I didn't you know, I ran my first marathon
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: in like basketball shorts.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: I wor Catton likings from Target for my first marathon up.
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: In my first you know race, added like a Renom
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: five turbo some of another crazy carboys been into mad cars,
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: the windows down, the blasting the music out. I get
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: out kind of coolly walk over to the start line
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: and they're just looking at me like, dude, like the
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: football pitch is over here, like you come to the
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: wrong sport. And it kind of spurred me on the
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: way in a way, you know, because a lot of
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: times as well, it's like when you run these marathons,
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: particularly you run London, you're running through the hood, you know,
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: and the hood guys are looking at you like and
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: they're just waiting, you know, after all the hot girls
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: have gone past. Then they start getting a bit bored
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: and then they're like looking at you like and they're
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: really looking at you, like what you're doing. And my
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: thing is you can't be what you can't see, you know,
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: And so that's the reason why, you know, I encourage
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: the most unlikely people to get out there and get running.
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: Whether you're running a mile, running five minutes, fifty minth whatever,
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: because you never know who you're inspiring. And that's one
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: thing I've learned from run them is like the message
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: is that we get daily from people who are just like,
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: thank you, physic existing. You know, my running club isn't
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: really you know, I don't really feel like I fit
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: in there, But what you do I can really resonate with.
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: And because you ran a marathon or you started running,
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: I started running. Because I started running, My husband started running,
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: and now the kids are running, and now you know,
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: the whole family's running and the next door neighbors. And
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: I just feel one of my big missions is to
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: try and place leaders back in communities, you know, people
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: who can bring change, who are inspirational and inspiring. And
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: this is my thing with running, is like when i'm
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm not running for times, I'm running to
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: inspire people to get off the sofa and get moving
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: because I just I know that, you know, there's something
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: that running gives you. This sense of confidence, this sense
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: of power, this sense of strength, this sense of self belief,
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: this sense of structure that it's very hard to find
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: anywhere else. And there's something so empower worrying about running
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: a marathon and you know, going for that journey because
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: it is an up and down journey and the parts
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: where you loving it and bits where you like, I
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: just want to stop right now.
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: But there's something that you get.
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: When you kind of like run a marathon, especially those
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: big city marathons with people that you can't like, I
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: can't find anything else that you can replicate it. It's
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: the equivalent for me of playing the record and the
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: crowd goes wild, but you know, in two records time,
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: you're about to play the real banger that's about to
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: kind of send it into overdrive.
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: That's what marathon running is for me.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: And that's why you don't want people to talk about
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: run dem Crew like it's just a run club.
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's like the day that basically people talk
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: about is a run club is the day I close
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: it down. I'm not interested in running and running club
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: because I'm not interested in your time. I'm not interested
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: in the distance. I'm interested in what have you learned?
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: What has the run taught you? What have you learned
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: about yourself? Who have you shared that information with? Who
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: have you inspired?
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: And because I just feel like, you know, we're in
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: this thing where basically it's all about time and distance,
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: and you're a good runner because you run it in
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: a certain time. Some of the quickest runners I know
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: in my crew cannot lift their own shopping up, you know.
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: And some of the people who deem themselves to be
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: slow have some of the strongest, most resilient personalities I've
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: ever met. Because Mofawa doesn't want to go and run
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: the marathon in seven hours. He doesn't want to be
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: on the road for seven hours. His body can't take it.
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: He'll probably breaking half. He can't do it. So when
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: you meet those people who they're running and they know
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: that everyone's looking at them, and everyone's like, oh, look
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: how slow you are.
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: Like we had the thing in London Marathon.
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: This year where kind of like the eight hour guy is,
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: you know, they you know, they're taking the barriers away
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: and there, you know, the trucks are there and the
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: guys are trying to clean up the street and they're
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: kind of telling them to get off the road. You've
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: got to have some real conviction to be on the
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: road six seven eight hours still going, knowing that you
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: don't look like a runner or what the world thinks
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: to be a runner, because those type of people they're
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: never in the magazines, they're not in the ads. It's
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: like they don't exist. But they're the most important people
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: that there is.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: And that's why it's special that you guys pop up
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: at twenty one in the marathon.
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because that's where the wheels fell off for me.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: I've seen it.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: I've seen I went to London this year and I
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: watched and I saw you guys, and it was something.
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: Well we try.
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: Our thing is if you can get people to come
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: down and see a marathon unfold in the flesh, they're
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: more likely to sign up to do it next year.
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: Because what you realize, the TV just shows you the
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: highlight reel. The TV marathon coverage is a bit like Instagram.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: It's totally like Instagram.
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: You know, it's just the like real But actually when
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: you see like, you know, people who it should be
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: easy for crumpling in tears, and then you see all
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: these you know, you see the person with the fridge
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: on their back come past, and the guy in the
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: rhino costume, and it's just an amazing And again, as
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: I always saying, I've said this in so many interviews,
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: but it's the only time that strangers will come out
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: of their house and will you to succeed. No one
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: who's watching you, you know. And then this is for
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: anyone who's running on Sunday. There's no one who's watching
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: you who wants you to fail. Everybody wants you to succeed.
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: So if it gets hard, just collapse to the floor
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: and someone will probably come and pick you up and
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: carry you to the end, you know. And for the
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: young people I work with, it, it's really important for
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: them to see that, you know. And I love it when,
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: you know, the sixteen seventeen, eighteen year olds come out
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: and you know, they go and run a marathon and
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: they suddenly get into it, and then they become good
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: at it, and it becomes a thing that they do,
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: you know. And my thing is, I'm just trying to
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: change the perception because I just think that if more
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: people realized that there is no one cookie cutter type runner,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: and people realize how beneficial it could be for their
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: mental health, for their physical health, for their spiritual health,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: for their community health, you know, their relationship health, the
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: more people would do it.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: You're out there inspiring a lot of people, and you know,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: they go to your Instagram feed or wherever they might
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: come across you, and they see a man who is
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: humble and strong willed and excited to hopefully help others
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: and also aesthetically a runner. When you stand in front
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: of a mirror and you look at the mirror, what
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: is it that you see looking back at you.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: I see sunshine smiling back at me, you know, and
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: it hasn't always been that way, but I'm really happy
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: with the person that I've seen in the mirror now
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: because he's chilled out and he's being himself. And you know,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: I'm not one of these people who like wakes up
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 5: in the morning and be like, oh, I'm super inspirational
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: and I'm out to inspire people. I do call myself
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: Mister Encouragement at times, because I like encouraging people. But
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: I just realized that, you know, there are certain people
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: that I've met in my life who if I hadn't
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: met them, my life would be very different. So my
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: English teacher, who was like, I know, I see you, Charlie,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 5: I see you. There's something very powerful when someone tells
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: you that they see you and they accept you for
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: who you are and they're going to help you. So
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: that given me the power, you know, the pen and
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: the book, the weapon, and the best friend that was
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: really important for me.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: People who helped me, you know, you know, who've helped me.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: Buy food when I didn't have money for food, or
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: given me records to DJ with when I didn't have
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: records DJO with, or given me opportunities in life. And
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: I just want to pay it back to people because
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: I don't buy into the myth that people who kind
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: of which we have now where it's like I made
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: it all by myself. Nah, there was a big team people.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: So I'm just trying to pay it back to people.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: And you know, I think lots of people think that
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: you're weak if you help other people or put other
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: people before yourself, but I actually really do feel like
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: it's a superpower. I think there's something really super about
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: pressing the button for the lift, waiting for the doors
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: to open and allowing everyone else to get back in
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: front of you, and then when you get there, send
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: the lift back down to the bottom so that more
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: people can get in the lift to come and join you.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: Because the one thing I do know about kind of
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: you know, my time in the music industry. It's not
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  Speaker 5: cool to be in the penthouse or the VIP party
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  Speaker 5: by yourself with none of your friends. It's a bit boring,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and it's a bit lonely. There's something really
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  Speaker 5: weird about kind of like achieving these really amazing things
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  Speaker 5: and then sitting in the hotel room by yourself or
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  Speaker 5: your friends are asleep. So I actually like to bring
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  Speaker 5: as many of my people with me and different types
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  Speaker 5: of people as well.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why now the crew is over five hundred strong, right.
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  Speaker 4: Deep right now beautiful, you know. And yeah, and we
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  Speaker 4: just moved.
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  Speaker 5: We were based in East London for thirteen years and
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  Speaker 5: we've just moved to South London to Brixton. And what
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  Speaker 5: we've realized is, you know, the powers social impact and
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  Speaker 5: how we can impact and help other people, you know.
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  Speaker 5: And so we've got this scheme at the moment where
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  Speaker 5: basically you can come to run them, or you can
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: pay for someone else to also come to run them,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: you know, a younger person in the community and you know,
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  Speaker 5: they've got a public library, and just there's so much
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  Speaker 5: more that we can be doing in this running around
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  Speaker 5: the streets.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to close this out here.
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  Speaker 1: You have an opportunity right now to offer the Charlie
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  Speaker 1: who is hanging out on Christmas Day deciding he's going
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  Speaker 1: to go for that run, or maybe even the Charlie
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  Speaker 1: who looks in the mirror and just sees such a
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: dull you know he's looking back at him. You have
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: the opportunity right now to offer him one piece of
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: advice looking back on that Hurdle moment right now.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, what do you tell him?
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  Speaker 4: You're good man? That's a good question. What do I
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: tell him? Wow?
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  Speaker 5: Don't fake it. I had a friend defence, good friend
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  Speaker 5: mine from New York. He actually gave me the name
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  Speaker 5: Charlie Dark and he always used to say, don't fake it.
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  Speaker 5: So just be true to yourself, you know, don't apologize
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  Speaker 5: for who you are. Just be you find your tribe.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for hanging out with me tonight. Let's
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  Speaker 1: hear it for Charlie. What what an episode?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: You guys know how this goes. Everyone has hurdles in life.
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  Speaker 1: I want to hear about yours. Reach out to me
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: at Emily at Hurdle dot us. Connect with the podcast
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: on Instagram and Twitter at Hurdle Podcast. Charlie can be
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: found at Daddy Dark r DC on Instagram, I am
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: at Emily Abadi, another hurdle conquered.
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  Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time.