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UK Column News — 29th April 2026 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Wednesday, the twenty ninth of April twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six, just after one o'clock. Welcome to UK column News.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host Mac Rumson. Joining me by video link
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Speaker 1: today are Charles Mallett and Vanessa Billy. Later in the program,
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Speaker 1: we're going to have a report from Ben Rubin, who's
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Speaker 1: on the ground at the Innovation zero event in London.
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Speaker 1: Charles will be reporting on the continuing attack on juries
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Speaker 1: and also the latest from Restore, and Vanessa will have
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Speaker 1: a report on Gaza and also the propaganda war in Iran.
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Speaker 1: And I'm going to have some digitally d news. But
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Speaker 1: we're going to begin today with King Charles.
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Speaker 2: Of course.
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Speaker 1: Well, King Charles, as everyone will know, is in the
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Speaker 1: United States to show solidarity with a warm mongering regime.
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Speaker 1: Yesterday evening he gave a speech yesterday evening our time. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: he gave a speech at a joint session of Congress
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Speaker 1: where he was given multiple standing ovations, and the representatives
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Speaker 1: and senators there fell over themselves to shake his hand.
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Speaker 1: And the Green King, of course is never too far away,
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Speaker 1: and so amongst all the sort of Britain give birth
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Speaker 1: in the United States rhetoric was this.
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Speaker 3: So as we look toward the next two hundred and
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Speaker 3: fifty years, we must also reflect on our shared responsibility
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Speaker 3: to safeguard nature, our most precious and irreplaceable asset. Yet,
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Speaker 3: even as we celebrate the beauty that surrounds us, our
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Speaker 3: generation must decide how to address the collapse of critical
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Speaker 3: natural systems, which threatens far more than the high and
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Speaker 3: the central diversity of nature. We ignore at a peril
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Speaker 3: the fact that these natural systems, in other words, nature's
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Speaker 3: own economy, provide the foundation for our prosperity and our
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Speaker 3: national security.
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Speaker 1: I apologize for inflicting that on everybody, but hopefully you
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Speaker 1: saw the comedy value. But anyway, what he said there
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Speaker 1: might seem reasonable to some. But never forget that Charles
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Speaker 1: is a major proponent of net zero policy, and we'll
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Speaker 1: be coming back to the issue of net zero in
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Speaker 1: a few minutes time. But before Charles went to the
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Speaker 1: United States, there were all kinds of concerns expressed that
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Speaker 1: Trump would say something which would embarrass King Charles. I'm
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Speaker 1: not sure what they had in mind, but something maybe
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Speaker 1: about ecpscene perhaps, But as it turned out, it was
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Speaker 1: the British ambassador to the United States. Christian Turner, who
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Speaker 1: seems to have been the main embarrassment for Charles on
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Speaker 1: the trip. He said that America is only special race
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Speaker 1: relationship is probably Israel and not the UK, and he
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Speaker 1: the ft reports that the also criticized the US political
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Speaker 1: system for filling the whole US associates of Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 1: to account and the quotam is saying that it is
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Speaker 1: extraordinary that the Epstein scandal hasn't touched anybody in the
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Speaker 1: United States. And so the question then is where is
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Speaker 1: a special relationship? Now we've discussed that question quite a
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Speaker 1: bit in the last in the past few weeks on
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Speaker 1: this program. Some including Basil Valentine, believe it no longer
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Speaker 1: exists and that Israel is indeed the key partner. Others
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Speaker 1: lam bass Trump and say he's another general. Richard Sheriff
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Speaker 1: is one of those. And so we're just going to
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Speaker 1: show this little bit of video that Charles recorded with him. Recently.
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Speaker 4: You described Pete Hexith and Donald Trump as gung ho nutters,
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Speaker 4: and I don't think anybody listening will disagree with you
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Speaker 4: on that one. Is the United States on our side, I.
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Speaker 5: Don't think we can make any assumptions about that under
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Speaker 5: the current leadership, No, I think rather than the benign Hegeman, Trump,
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Speaker 5: in his inimitable way, has turned America into a predatory Hegemen.
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Speaker 5: And as far as the Alliance is concerned, well, only
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Speaker 5: yesterday we hear that Trump has reinforced his previous declarations
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Speaker 5: about potentially pulling out of the Alliance. So no, we
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Speaker 5: can make no assumption that America is on our side. Now,
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Speaker 5: I'm afraid. I mean, this is an illegal war.
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Speaker 6: It is not our war.
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Speaker 5: It is Trump's war. He's launched it, launched it without
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Speaker 5: consulting allies, with no clear idea how the war ends.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think I can agree with some of what
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Speaker 1: Sriff for saying there, but he's I would suggest, he's
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Speaker 1: not expressing the full picture anyway. Can Charles visit yet
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Speaker 1: again demonstrates I think how much the people of the
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Speaker 1: United States buy and script as soon as royalty arrives
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Speaker 1: on their shores. But since before Trump's election, my argument
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Speaker 1: has been that the apparent split between the United States
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Speaker 1: and the United Kingdom is a sham. It's an expression
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Speaker 1: of the joint US UK desire to see European defense
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Speaker 1: become a thing and for Europe to take on Russia
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Speaker 1: and to evidence that. Let's just listen to a discussion
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Speaker 1: with former Trump advisor Mark Loder on this morning's really
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Speaker 1: a fourth I suppose.
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Speaker 7: I'm just asking to try and get a sense of
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Speaker 7: whether the British sort of understanding of the relationship is
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Speaker 7: in some way out of date. You know, it's this
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Speaker 7: idea that the phrase even special relationship needs to go
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Speaker 7: because the world's changed.
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Speaker 8: No, I don't think so. I've said this even before
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Speaker 8: the visit from the King and the Queen. I believe
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Speaker 8: one of the things that a lot of people are
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Speaker 8: not seeing the chess board to say the President is
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Speaker 8: setting up is that once this is done with Iran
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Speaker 8: and as Europe deals with Ukraine, it allows us to
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Speaker 8: shift most of our focus to our true major opponent
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Speaker 8: now on the global playing field, which is China. I
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Speaker 8: think what you're seeing with the President asking NATO to
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Speaker 8: step up and do more, prepare to do more, ready
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Speaker 8: your defense is better is that with Europe focused on Russia.
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Speaker 8: Of course, with the US nuclear backdrop as a backstop,
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Speaker 8: but as Europe does more to confront Russia, we handled
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Speaker 8: the Middle East, we are now shifting a lot of
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Speaker 8: our resources, a lot of our focus to our new
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Speaker 8: greater threat which is coming from communist China.
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Speaker 1: So Charless and Charles Mallett's obviously, I'm interested to know
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Speaker 1: your thoughts on this because we've been continued seeing this
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Speaker 1: continuing suggestion of a split, represented by Christian Turner's comments
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Speaker 1: and also Richard Sheriff's comments as well, alongside Charles visit,
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Speaker 1: which I guess offers some reassurance to some that there
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Speaker 1: is no split, And all the while there's this effort
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Speaker 1: to push the war narrative and to push everyone into
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Speaker 1: getting involved, particularly the Europeans.
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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, good afternoon, everybody. I don't think
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Speaker 4: it's necessarily right to say that everybody's wrong in that
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Speaker 4: all these things can in some sense be true. At
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Speaker 4: the same time, I think what General Sir Richard Sheriff for,
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Speaker 4: of course, as a career soldier and as the number
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Speaker 4: two command appointment in NATO sometime ages Deputy Supremni Commander Europe,
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Speaker 4: his perspective is in exposing what the special relationship actually means.
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Speaker 4: And of course, with America holding the power where nuclear
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Speaker 4: the British nuclear capability is concerned, the fact that they
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Speaker 4: are in control with regard to much other military hardware,
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Speaker 4: that we are dependent upon them for oil. Effectively, what
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Speaker 4: he's saying is that the United States military will do
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Speaker 4: what they do regardless of what the British say or think,
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Speaker 4: or indeed what their capability is. So I agree with
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Speaker 4: you that it's not to say that this is over,
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Speaker 4: that it's necessarily changed, But I think we just have
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Speaker 4: a better idea now of how incredibly imbalanced that relationship
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Speaker 4: actually is. But of course necessarily it has to stay close.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, Okay, thank you for that, Charles Sny. Let's change
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Speaker 1: topics and move on to net zero, which is what
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Speaker 1: we were suggesting we were going to do. And this
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Speaker 1: is the Innovation Zero website, and they claim that they
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Speaker 1: bring together leaders accelerating the electrification, digitization and industrial innovation
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Speaker 1: underpinning energy security, productivity, and sustainable growth for the future economy.
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Speaker 1: That sounds great, so that's what it says on their website. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: they say their mission is to accelerate a global transition
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Speaker 1: to a low carbon economy by connecting innovators, funders, policy makers,
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Speaker 1: and business leaders. And now the Innovation Zero World twenty
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Speaker 1: Conference twenty twenty six is taking place yesterday and today
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Speaker 1: and we send Ben Rubin to see what it's all about.
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Speaker 9: Hey, it's Ben Rubbin from UK Column at Innovation Zero
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Speaker 9: World Congress at Kensington Olympia. This is the pinnacle of
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Speaker 9: the public private marketplace which is being used to drive
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Speaker 9: forward the UK and in fact the global energy transition.
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Speaker 9: All the event was founded by Saudi investors a few
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Speaker 9: years ago. That definitely requires a bit more investigation. The
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Speaker 9: headline sponsor is HSBC. There's a lot of money floating
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Speaker 9: around this place and it's being delivered in partnership with
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Speaker 9: UK Research and Innovation, which is the UK government department
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Speaker 9: responsible for pushing new ideas and technology out into British society.
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Speaker 9: So it's being delivered with the full blessing of the
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Speaker 9: British State. There's some big hitters here yesterday, including Chris Stark,
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Speaker 9: who is the head of Mission Control for the Energy
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Speaker 9: Transition in the Department of Energy Security and net zero,
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Speaker 9: probably the most powerful civil servant in UK government right now.
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Speaker 9: We also heard from Nigel Topping, who is the chair
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Speaker 9: of the Climate Change Commission and according to the Telegraph
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Speaker 9: it is the most powerful man in the country, which
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Speaker 9: he denied on stage. Actually we did ask about that.
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Speaker 9: He was talking about the economic case for change. There's
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Speaker 9: a lot of talk here about the potential for corporate profits,
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Speaker 9: a bit of discussion about reducing energy bills. But I'm
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Speaker 9: not holding my breath, to be honest with you, and
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Speaker 9: actually I think therein lies the problem. There's a lot
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Speaker 9: of confidence being projected from the stage, there's a lot
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Speaker 9: of networking, a lot of deals being cut, but you
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Speaker 9: get the sense underneath a surface that they've lost the
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Speaker 9: ye argument and there's a bit of desperation beginning to
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Speaker 9: set in. Now, why might that be? Well, we don't
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Speaker 9: have too long to get into it. To be honest
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Speaker 9: with you, this is just a short report and I
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Speaker 9: could probably stand here all day talking about that issue.
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Speaker 9: But I think one of the things that really grabbed
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Speaker 9: my attention about this place is this building, Kensington Olympia,
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Speaker 9: which was launched. It was opened in eighteen eighty six
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Speaker 9: as a place to showcase the technologies of the First
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Speaker 9: Industrial Revolution and to help project the image and the
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Speaker 9: power of the British Empire. If we fast forward to
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Speaker 9: twenty twenty six, one hundred and forty years later, it's
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Speaker 9: essentially doing the same thing today. It's the Fourth Industrial Revolution.
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Speaker 9: It's not the British Empire anymore. It's the Commonwealth and
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Speaker 9: the United Nations system. But underneath the same things are happening,
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Speaker 9: the same power structures are benefiting, and ultimately a lot
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Speaker 9: of this is just about delivering more power to a
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Speaker 9: political elite and truly means of profit to international capital
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Speaker 9: investors and the City of London. A more detailed report
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Speaker 9: on this will be forthcoming on Monday, see you later.
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Speaker 1: So thanks to Ben for that. We'll talk about that
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Speaker 1: later on an extra Charles, let me welcome you back
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Speaker 1: to the program and let's move on then to the
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Speaker 1: topic of juries.
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Speaker 4: Indeed, juries have been in the spotlight necessarily for the
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Speaker 4: last couple of years, but in particular with regard to
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Speaker 4: the threat to their existence, but also the thorny issue
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Speaker 4: of what's described as during nullification or delivering a perverse verdict.
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Speaker 4: We're going to examine some video footage of an arrest
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Speaker 4: made outside Woolage Crown Course within the last few days.
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Speaker 7: Well, guys are away up.
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Speaker 10: It was this is.
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Speaker 11: This is your New York.
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Speaker 2: But heads replaced them everyone to be on the other side.
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Speaker 2: You know, that's where it is, and that's.
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Speaker 12: Place.
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Speaker 11: It feels like a very true decision.
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Speaker 10: Unfortunately, I'm not the one making decisions. I'm just making
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Speaker 10: sure everyone has.
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Speaker 3: The lord.
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Speaker 13: I j is entirely legal.
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Speaker 5: Stay this is to reach.
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Speaker 10: This is absolutely ridiculous.
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Speaker 11: I am really stating the Lord. I'm being handcuffed behind
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Speaker 11: my back.
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Speaker 14: This is ridiculous.
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Speaker 4: It's ridiculous.
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Speaker 15: I can hardly believe that this is happening.
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Speaker 16: Why is it that jurors aren't allowed to know about
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Speaker 16: their right.
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Speaker 11: To equit unconscious?
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Speaker 15: There's a high court.
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Speaker 13: Ruling about this law, and.
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Speaker 15: What woman would be coming to.
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Speaker 16: What a complete mess?
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Speaker 4: Yes, what a complete mess.
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Speaker 11: The right to a fair trial is one of the
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Speaker 11: basic rights.
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Speaker 6: Under the European Conventional Human.
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Speaker 11: Rights Curers need to hear the whole truth, and duras
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Speaker 11: have a right to acquit according to their conscience.
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Speaker 4: If you're unable to view the video or indeed hear it,
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Speaker 4: because the audio was a bit challenging. It showed a
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Speaker 4: lady being approached by police and subsequently being a handcuffed
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Speaker 4: behind her back and lifted into a police fan. As
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Speaker 4: a side note, in terms of the way in which
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Speaker 4: that was policed, the officer's concern would have a very
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Speaker 4: hard time justifying their use of for she presented absolutely
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Speaker 4: no physical threat or risk of harm to either herself
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Speaker 4: or anyone nearby, and therefore it's at least at face value,
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Speaker 4: entirely inappropriate that she was manhandled and handcuffed in that way.
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Speaker 4: And now to get to the business of what she
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Speaker 4: was talking about. The reason this is significant is because
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Speaker 4: she is truly warner. And we go back to twenty
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Speaker 4: twenty four where she was, as she said, involved in
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Speaker 4: a case that went to the High Court, and this
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Speaker 4: was due to action taken by the Solicitor General. Before
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Speaker 4: we get into the detail of that, we will just
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Speaker 4: have a look at a video from twenty twenty four
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Speaker 4: as to exactly what it was that was perceived to
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Speaker 4: be the problem for jurors and indeed defendants in courts.
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Speaker 11: When you see a letter that says legal department.
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Speaker 13: Versus trutive orders.
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Speaker 11: And when you have an indictment which is one hundred
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Speaker 11: and thirty three pages, it's intimidating.
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Speaker 13: The legal system is running scared of jury independence because
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Speaker 13: juries are doing their jobs. So when juries are allowed
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Speaker 13: to hear the whole truth, they are using their right
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Speaker 13: to equit And what truly saw was that the juries
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Speaker 13: were acting as the corrective that they're intended to be.
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Speaker 15: The trials of people had taken action to expose government
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Speaker 15: complicity in fuel poverty and climate breakdown. Judge Reid goes,
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Speaker 15: there can be no mention of climate change and fuel
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Speaker 15: poverty in this courtroom. And David Nixon, who was on trial,
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Speaker 15: that he couldn't obey that order, and he used those
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Speaker 15: prohibited words, and on the seventh of February he was
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Speaker 15: sent to prison by read for eight weeks, not for
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Speaker 15: having sat in the road, but just for using those words.
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Speaker 15: On the third of March, Nami Pritchard Giovannah Lewis was
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Speaker 15: sentenced by Judge Reid for using the words climate change
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Speaker 15: in his courtroom. He said to Geo, you did this
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Speaker 15: just to show your disrespect for the court. And GEO said, no, Judge,
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Speaker 15: that's not true. Did it because your order was crushing
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Speaker 15: my human spirit?
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Speaker 4: Depending on your point of view, given the subject matter
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Speaker 4: just discussed, I would encourage you to consider the principles
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Speaker 4: here rather than the topics. And now we'll just look
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Speaker 4: at a slide from the time on the report. Indeed,
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Speaker 4: the Solicitor General was pursuing Trudy Warner in a case
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Speaker 4: of contempt of court, which of course is a common
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Speaker 4: law offense, the iron of which I will come back
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Speaker 4: to you in a minute, but we'll just look at
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Speaker 4: the reporting from the time after the verdict was reached.
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Speaker 11: British justice has the reputation, you know, of being the
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Speaker 11: sort of most exemplary justice system in the world, and
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Speaker 11: I was seeing things in the courts which made me
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Speaker 11: wonder to what extent the courts were independent. They are
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Speaker 11: subject to slow state administrative violence.
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Speaker 13: Even the UN Special Rapportere on Environmental Defenders has to
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Speaker 13: issue a statement to say I had not seen a
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Speaker 13: situation as concerning as the one in the UK. The
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Speaker 13: crackdown on protest, he says, poses a severe threat to
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Speaker 13: democracy in the UK.
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Speaker 10: The judges refused permission for this contempt to be taken forward.
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Speaker 10: That means it ends here and now and Trudy should
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Speaker 10: face no further action. There is a right of appeal,
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Speaker 10: but they have to base it on a legal principle.
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Speaker 10: I think the judge highly correct and a very comprehensive judgment.
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Speaker 12: Joe Siliswed said to a jury, you cannot apply your
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Speaker 12: conscience well that's been front down. That's completely incorrect. You
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Speaker 12: can apply your conscience more than that, as an ordinary person,
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Speaker 12: I would say you have an obligation to apply your conscience.
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Speaker 10: I think this was an attempt by the STIT to
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Speaker 10: clamp down again on protest. And what's really really important
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Speaker 10: is that protest isn't a separate category in criminal cases.
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Speaker 10: This is a rite that should be given to all
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Speaker 10: juries in all criminal cases.
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Speaker 11: I hope this is going to make it diffense to everything.
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Speaker 4: So what happened in twenty twenty four was extremely significant
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Speaker 4: and it highlights the extent to which the system has
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Speaker 4: been manipulated and in effect a case has been fabricated
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Speaker 4: against those that would seek to point out what Truly
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Speaker 4: Warner has. Well, just look at some of the terminology
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Speaker 4: used in the judgment itself, because it does highlight exactly
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Speaker 4: how this has been done. So it's stated by the
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Speaker 4: judge that was running this appeal in the High Court
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Speaker 4: that the Solicitor General seeks permission to bring proceedings for
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Speaker 4: contempt against Trudy Warner. The claimant being the Solicitor General
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Speaker 4: alleges that Truly Warner is in contempt at common law
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Speaker 4: through conduct which was a direct interference with the administration
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Speaker 4: of justice and undertaken with an intention to interfere with
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Speaker 4: the administration of justice. So strong words there, and again
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Speaker 4: it's alleged by the claimant that the contempt the amount
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Speaker 4: that this amount to contempt, and that's not in dispute. However,
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Speaker 4: later on in a judgment, the significant point is that
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Speaker 4: the judge in High Court says that he rejects the
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Speaker 4: arguments made by the Solicitor General in that truly Warner
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Speaker 4: confronted jurorsm that she followed to suspected jurists to intercept them.
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Speaker 4: These submissions significantly mischaracterize the evidence, and he goes on
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Speaker 4: to say, in my judgment, it is fancy to suggest
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Speaker 4: that Miss Warner's behavior falls into this category of content.
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Speaker 4: The category is limited to threatening in timidtary, abusive conduct
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Speaker 4: or other forms of harassment. Now, this, as I say,
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Speaker 4: forms part of a campaign which of course is led
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Speaker 4: really by Brian Levison, Lord Levison, who's just recently, relatively
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Speaker 4: recently released part one of the review into the Sorry,
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Speaker 4: the Independent Review of the Criminal Courts, and this is
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Speaker 4: effectively finding a solution to a problem that does not
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Speaker 4: actually exist. In terms of the efficiency of the system.
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Speaker 4: And I would encourage you to go and look at
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Speaker 4: some UK column content on this recent blindfold briefing on
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Speaker 4: perverse verdicts that I wrote a couple of months ago,
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Speaker 4: and indeed in the latest issue of the column magazine
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Speaker 4: Brian Gerrish who has written a very long and noteworthy
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Speaker 4: article about exactly this topic. So I really would encourage
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Speaker 4: you to get into that because it's an extremely significant issue. Mike,
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Speaker 4: I don't know if you've got any comment to add
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Speaker 4: to this or whether we hold that back for extra.
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Speaker 1: We'll mostly discussing the extra. I would applaud truly for
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Speaker 1: everything that she's done. If I'm allowed to make one
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Speaker 1: slight criticism, it's that we shouldn't really be relying on
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Speaker 1: the European Convention for Human Rights, particularly with respect to juries,
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Speaker 1: since it certainly was not that document which introduced juries
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Speaker 1: in the first place, and bearing in mind that European
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Speaker 1: countries are probably the worst example of the use of
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Speaker 1: juries to be find on the planet. So you know,
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Speaker 1: I would just encourage anybody that is taking the stand
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Speaker 1: to do so on the basis of our own common
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Speaker 1: law documentation. And Mark Nakarta for example, and start there.
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Speaker 1: But we'll talk more about that an extra Vanessa. Let's
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Speaker 1: move across to you and walking to the program. We
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Speaker 1: haven't heard about gazav quite so much in the last
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Speaker 1: number of weeks. Just bring us up to date.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's one of the reasons that I
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Speaker 2: wanted to circle back to Gaza today, despite the fact
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Speaker 2: that there is still an awful lot of other things
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Speaker 2: going on across the region. But the genocide, of course,
23:06
Speaker 2: is ongoing. People living in appalling abject conditions, most of
23:12
Speaker 2: them in tents or in buildings that have already been
23:17
Speaker 2: at least partially destroyed, are in danger of collapsing on
23:20
Speaker 2: their heads. But now there is even a new terror
23:25
Speaker 2: that is basically preying on them. And this is the
23:29
Speaker 2: fact that due to the proper lack of proper sanitation,
23:35
Speaker 2: the guards and tent camps are being overrun by rodents
23:39
Speaker 2: basically rats and weasels were actually mentioned in this report,
23:45
Speaker 2: are entering people's tents at night. They're taking up home
23:49
Speaker 2: in the bathrooms and the latrines. Children are actually being
23:54
Speaker 2: attacked by the rodents, which they're saying are huge, which
23:57
Speaker 2: of course they're I will leave it to people's imagination
24:02
Speaker 2: as regards what they're feeding on. But of course this
24:05
Speaker 2: also leads to the risk of laptose purosis, which in
24:10
Speaker 2: conditions like this, is very likely to cause multiple deaths.
24:15
Speaker 2: It's going to affect the already poor supply scarce supply
24:19
Speaker 2: of clean water of course, because they will through their urination,
24:24
Speaker 2: they're going to further and contaminate the water supplies. And
24:28
Speaker 2: also they're stealing again the very scarce supplies of food. Now,
24:33
Speaker 2: the following video is very short. If people have a
24:36
Speaker 2: bit of a horror about rats, I suggest they look away.
24:40
Speaker 2: I am not someone that is particularly fond of them either.
24:43
Speaker 2: But this is just in one of the tents. You
24:45
Speaker 2: can see the number of rats that have actually entered
24:50
Speaker 2: the tent where people are sleeping, including children, in as
24:55
Speaker 2: I said, appalling conditions. And then if I just want
24:59
Speaker 2: to show so this is all recent video taken by
25:03
Speaker 2: an Israeli soldier filming for himself. The absolute devastation in Gaza,
25:13
Speaker 2: the total destruction of homes and civilian infrastructure. It's very
25:18
Speaker 2: hard to even imagine. I mean, I was in Gaza
25:21
Speaker 2: in twenty twelve. I can't even work out where that
25:26
Speaker 2: is in Gaza. The destruction is so catastrophic, and this
25:32
Speaker 2: is where people are trying to survive and live with
25:36
Speaker 2: all of these added appalling conditions that are affecting and
25:40
Speaker 2: impacting on their ability to survive. Now we can move
25:47
Speaker 2: on from that to the next image, which will demonstrate
25:50
Speaker 2: basically this is one of the towers. This was basically
25:54
Speaker 2: taken from a post on X by someone living in Gaza,
25:58
Speaker 2: and he said, there are families living in this tower.
26:01
Speaker 2: The civil defense organizations have said to them, you must
26:05
Speaker 2: leave because basically the tower is collapsing from the various
26:11
Speaker 2: bomb strikes that have hit close to and around it.
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Speaker 2: But they're unable to there's nowhere else for them to go, basically,
26:19
Speaker 2: and that I wanted to look at this. This is
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Speaker 2: the yellow line that Israel has created inside Garza, which
26:26
Speaker 2: of course has stolen fifty eight percent of the Gods
26:30
Speaker 2: have stripped, pushing the one point five two million Palestinians
26:36
Speaker 2: into an area which is lacking in natural resources, it's
26:40
Speaker 2: lacking in the most abundant agricultural areas of gods or
26:44
Speaker 2: which are occupied by the Zionus forces, pushing them onto
26:49
Speaker 2: the coastal area. And then, according to multiple reports they're
26:54
Speaker 2: being preyed on by drones on a daily basis, and
26:59
Speaker 2: I just wanted to show this promotional clip from Albert
27:03
Speaker 2: Systems that are of course that have been targeted by
27:08
Speaker 2: Palestine Action and as I will demonstrate, by other groups
27:11
Speaker 2: that are now coming to prominence in the UK. So
27:14
Speaker 2: let's just have a look at this promo video. So
28:02
Speaker 2: people are effectively being hunted down all along that strip
28:06
Speaker 2: of yellow border in Gaza. This was a drone attack
28:11
Speaker 2: back on April the eighth which targeted the Al Jazeera
28:15
Speaker 2: journalists that you can see in the caption there. Mohammed
28:18
Speaker 2: Washer was killed in this targeting. And this is on
28:21
Speaker 2: a daily basis. If you just do a search on
28:24
Speaker 2: x for drone strikes in Gaza you'll see that. And
28:27
Speaker 2: then if we move on, this is a video from
28:31
Speaker 2: a recent action taken by a new group called People
28:34
Speaker 2: Against Genocide. This is just a part of the report
28:38
Speaker 2: that they made on entering one of the Albert Systems
28:41
Speaker 2: companies in Leicester.
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Speaker 6: On the roof of UAV Tactical Systems in Leicester. If
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Speaker 6: you're a member of the Amazing letter community, get down
28:53
Speaker 6: here and support us as soon as you can for
28:55
Speaker 6: those that don't know. UAV Tactical Systems produces military equipment,
29:00
Speaker 6: including drones, is owned by Albert Systems, which is Israel's
29:04
Speaker 6: largest weapons manufacturer. Albert Systems proudly supplies the so called
29:11
Speaker 6: IDF with its military equipment, with the majority of its weapons.
29:15
Speaker 6: And that's why we're here. We are fucking sick and
29:18
Speaker 6: tired of our government's collaboration in this genocide that Israel
29:24
Speaker 6: is committing against the Palestinian people.
29:29
Speaker 2: So I think despite the action taken against Palestine, action
29:32
Speaker 2: of course, which was deliberately intended to intimidate any other
29:36
Speaker 2: activists coming to the fore and continuing the work, that
29:40
Speaker 2: has failed. And this is in Germany that I found
29:43
Speaker 2: just when I was looking through some headlines. So again
29:46
Speaker 2: activist accused of raiding the Israeli weapons factory face trial
29:51
Speaker 2: in Germany. And again this is attacking the Albert Systems
29:55
Speaker 2: subsidiaries in Germany. So resistance continues.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for that, Vanessa, Thank you for that, Vanessa.
30:03
Speaker 1: We'll talk more about that in extra amongst other things.
30:06
Speaker 1: Let's come back to the UK, then, Charles, and bring
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Speaker 1: us up to dit local elections of course coming up
30:12
Speaker 1: very very soon, but bring us up to did with
30:14
Speaker 1: what Restorer.
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Speaker 15: Is doing.
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Speaker 4: Well, exactly as you say, Mike. With the local elections
30:20
Speaker 4: coming up in many parts of the country next week,
30:22
Speaker 4: there has been considerable attention on the home front now
30:25
Speaker 4: with specific regard to Restore, the new political vehicle of
30:29
Speaker 4: Rupert Lowe, who has very much characterized himself who is
30:32
Speaker 4: not cut from the same cloth as mainstream politicians in
30:35
Speaker 4: that he does not kick football, but political football is
30:38
Speaker 4: about the place and do that which is primarily politically expedient.
30:42
Speaker 4: At least that's the reputation that he aims to trade off.
30:45
Speaker 4: But increasingly his statements and the party's rhetoric looks like
30:50
Speaker 4: that is exactly what he is doing. We have a
30:53
Speaker 4: tweet here from the last couple of days Restore Britain
30:55
Speaker 4: would abolish the asylum system. Now this has to be
31:00
Speaker 4: against the statistics provided by the Refugee Council who claim
31:05
Speaker 4: that within the last year eighty nine thousand asylum applications
31:09
Speaker 4: have come in. Now it's notable that Restore and low
31:12
Speaker 4: have completely ignored the figures from Ukraine Migration Observatory, reckoning
31:17
Speaker 4: that there are now due to the British government's policy
31:20
Speaker 4: and the visa scheme for Ukrainians in the region of
31:23
Speaker 4: two hundred and sixty four thousand Ukrainians in the country,
31:26
Speaker 4: but Low has only ever referred to boots on the
31:29
Speaker 4: ground in Ukraine and never ever to the policy concerning migration.
31:34
Speaker 4: Now this is significant with regard to other issues he
31:38
Speaker 4: has treated recently. Real feminists back mass deportations. Now, of course,
31:43
Speaker 4: what he's inferring there is that the specter of sexual
31:46
Speaker 4: violence from somebody who might be Muslim and dark skin
31:50
Speaker 4: is somehow worse than it might be from somebody else
31:54
Speaker 4: with regard to specific policy. And as I say, he's
31:57
Speaker 4: obviously ignoring the policy vision made on Ukraine. Policy papers
32:02
Speaker 4: are fairly thin on the reform of the Restore website
32:06
Speaker 4: only for so far, one of which is restoring the
32:08
Speaker 4: British pub. Now I'm not pulling that out to be facetious,
32:10
Speaker 4: but the point is that, of course the British pub
32:13
Speaker 4: in recent years has become very much dependent upon migrant
32:18
Speaker 4: employment in the hospitality industry. Something seem to undermine the
32:23
Speaker 4: Restore policy. Now, the latest target, and I do choose
32:27
Speaker 4: the word deliberately, seems to be the two point two
32:29
Speaker 4: million veterans in the country, who of course can and
32:32
Speaker 4: will be weaponized by whichever government takes aim at them.
32:38
Speaker 4: And just the day before yesterday, I think a Restore
32:41
Speaker 4: Britain government will immediately run a fast track recruitment campaign
32:44
Speaker 4: to bring thousands and thousands of British military veterans into
32:49
Speaker 4: immigration enforcement roles and then somewhat menacingly at the bottom
32:54
Speaker 4: field roles. And this is almost to suggest that veterans
32:58
Speaker 4: will be brought into some sort of a scheme where
33:01
Speaker 4: they are going around the countryside and actually winkling asylum
33:04
Speaker 4: seekers or migrants out of wherever they might be living
33:08
Speaker 4: in order to perhaps forcibly deport them. It is of
33:11
Speaker 4: course hard to tell with a shortened bland statement like
33:14
Speaker 4: that exactly what is meant by it. But the reason
33:16
Speaker 4: I highlight that is because this government and indeed the last,
33:21
Speaker 4: has been pushing very hard to capture the many many
33:25
Speaker 4: veterans in the form of digital identity with the Veterans
33:29
Speaker 4: Identity Card, and given the way in which Restore has
33:33
Speaker 4: in a way followed exactly the line that's taken by
33:36
Speaker 4: other parties on so many of these issues and not
33:38
Speaker 4: in fact stuck to the line that Low puts out
33:42
Speaker 4: about himself. It seems reasonable to ask whether, in setting
33:46
Speaker 4: up a system for both migrants, asylum seekers and veterans,
33:50
Speaker 4: whether in actual fact this is all pointing towards exactly
33:53
Speaker 4: the digital infrastructure that he says he wants to resist.
33:57
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Speaker 1: Thanks Jemma for that. And let's have a look at
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35:30
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35:35
Speaker 1: do have a look at that if you are interested.
35:39
Speaker 1: Jerem Tonight is discussing Stalin and whether everything that we
35:43
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Speaker 1: next Tomorrow at one p Vanessa will be very pleased
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Speaker 1: to know that finally we're putting out the next edition
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Speaker 1: of the Syria Podcast. Episode ten. Vanessa and I were
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Speaker 1: joined by Miriam Charabatti from Lebanon. Interesting conversation, Vanessa.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, very always good to get a perspective of people,
36:19
Speaker 2: of course from the region, and Miriam's is very seeped
36:22
Speaker 2: in contextual history, while worth.
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Speaker 1: Listening absolutely So that goes at one pm tomorrow and'll
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36:33
Speaker 1: another article on the UK Column website you might be
36:35
Speaker 1: interested in the fog machine at Pollenteer. This is by
36:39
Speaker 1: Christopher hell. This is hugely interesting topic, of course is
36:44
Speaker 1: absolutely obvious. It's another look at pollentteer. To have read
36:48
Speaker 1: it that and share it as widely as possible. And
36:51
Speaker 1: let's come on to the issue of digital ID. On
36:55
Speaker 1: the twenty fourth of April, the House of Commons Public
36:59
Speaker 1: Accounts Committee announced five new inquiries, including one into the
37:04
Speaker 1: proposed Digital ID scheme. They're saying that they're going to
37:07
Speaker 1: scrutinize spending delivery of the scheme and as everybody knows,
37:11
Speaker 1: Starmer intends to launch this by the end of the
37:14
Speaker 1: current parliament in twenty twenty nine. The dates the exact
37:17
Speaker 1: dates are not quite known yet now. The Public Accounts
37:21
Speaker 1: Committee previously examined the field UK government Verify program in
37:26
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen and they say in their introduction here that
37:29
Speaker 1: while the UK uses a range of digital identity services,
37:32
Speaker 1: it does not currently operate a national ID card or
37:36
Speaker 1: single citizen Identify our scheme, and they say in September
37:39
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, the Prime Minister announced the new Digital
37:41
Speaker 1: ID scheme, with the target to launch by the end
37:44
Speaker 1: of the parliament. In January twenty twenty six was further
37:47
Speaker 1: announced the digital ID would not be mandatory, but would
37:50
Speaker 1: become one of a number of ways which people would
37:53
Speaker 1: be able to prove their right to work. So that's
37:56
Speaker 1: what they're saying about it. Of course, the messaging from
37:59
Speaker 1: the government about whether this is actually going to be
38:02
Speaker 1: mandatory or not is still a bit willy, shall we say.
38:06
Speaker 1: But in parallel with this announcement, the ad Less Institute
38:11
Speaker 1: has published this as they try to work out if
38:14
Speaker 1: the public will buy into Starmer's scheme. And they're saying,
38:17
Speaker 1: like other common law countries, the UK has no mandatory
38:19
Speaker 1: identification documents and then identification is by consent. This means
38:24
Speaker 1: that people do not expect to be challenged to prove
38:26
Speaker 1: who they are and do expect to produce documentation only
38:30
Speaker 1: to prove entitlement e g. For accessing public services. Now,
38:34
Speaker 1: the Ada Loveless Institute worries that a shift towards digital
38:38
Speaker 1: idea is not a neutral administrative upgrade, but a change
38:42
Speaker 1: in the underlying relationship between a person and the state,
38:45
Speaker 1: and they say that trust is hard to build, easily
38:48
Speaker 1: lost and hard to regain. Now, aside from the idea
38:53
Speaker 1: that the whole thing won't fly. None of the commentary
38:57
Speaker 1: seems to address the issue of whether or not governments
38:59
Speaker 1: or any other entity for that matter, can keep people's
39:02
Speaker 1: dat as sief and therefore keep people save from identity theft,
39:06
Speaker 1: and that is an often missed concern aside from all
39:11
Speaker 1: the others that are mentioned. We'll talk more about this
39:15
Speaker 1: at another time. Now, let's come back to Vanessa then,
39:18
Speaker 1: and Vanessa, the propaganda around Iran and the efforts to
39:24
Speaker 1: keep the war going, well, they don't end.
39:29
Speaker 11: No, they don't.
39:30
Speaker 2: But what is interesting We've been talking for some time
39:33
Speaker 2: at UK column about the fact that the riots back
39:36
Speaker 2: in January were orchestrated by Mossad and Cia, and this
39:41
Speaker 2: is now confirmed by Hebrew media. This was in why
39:45
Speaker 2: Nott this morning. It's translated from Hebrew, which I always
39:49
Speaker 2: find throws up some quite quite strange English phrases, but
39:54
Speaker 2: it basically says the absolute victory that never happened. This
39:57
Speaker 2: is how the operation to overthrow Theanian regime has been
40:01
Speaker 2: torpedoed in brackets for now. And they talk about influencing
40:05
Speaker 2: the system, funding the protests, eliminating the leaders, triggering the
40:11
Speaker 2: Kurdish separatists in Irak to a Turkey ran pushing the
40:16
Speaker 2: Iranians onto the streets to force regime change. It was actually,
40:20
Speaker 2: in the end prevented by jd Vance, who didn't approve
40:24
Speaker 2: the use of the Kurds, and by Urduan in Turkey,
40:28
Speaker 2: who also, of course didn't want any kind of amplification
40:31
Speaker 2: of the Kurdish cause because that would impact on Turkey.
40:35
Speaker 2: And if we go back to the text in the
40:37
Speaker 2: article itself, what they actually say is a regime can
40:41
Speaker 2: be overthrown from above by relying on senior officials, and
40:45
Speaker 2: it can be overthrown from below by fostering mass protest.
40:48
Speaker 2: Of course, this is very much what they tried to
40:50
Speaker 2: do in Syria. The very strange phrase it would both
40:55
Speaker 2: stuff the chicken's head and cook its legs. I have
40:58
Speaker 2: no idea how that is translated from Hebrew, but I
41:02
Speaker 2: think you get the picture and it does. What is
41:06
Speaker 2: interesting it says the organization which was set up to
41:09
Speaker 2: effectively push through the strategy was established four years ago,
41:14
Speaker 2: which of course is when the Massa Armeni rights began
41:17
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two in Iran. So it's been working
41:22
Speaker 2: on this destabilization from within for some time. And then
41:27
Speaker 2: if we look at what they claimed to be the
41:29
Speaker 2: three day assessment. So they underestimated the survival ability of Iran.
41:38
Speaker 2: Even with the assassination of the leadership, they still managed
41:42
Speaker 2: to replace the leadership and continue fighting back against the
41:47
Speaker 2: two nuclear states that were effectively leading the aggression. They
41:51
Speaker 2: underestimated the power of the closure of the Strait of Homus.
41:56
Speaker 2: They claimed that the US was not prepared. But they
41:59
Speaker 2: are saying, don't understand how that is possible because they
42:03
Speaker 2: were being worn by intelligence advisors within the US that
42:08
Speaker 2: the Strait of Hormus could potentially be closed. And then
42:12
Speaker 2: of course there's a gibe there at the end about
42:15
Speaker 2: Kirs Starmer saying that he failed to come to the
42:18
Speaker 2: assistance of President Trump, which was another element in the
42:22
Speaker 2: failure of the campaign, and the fact that Trump of
42:25
Speaker 2: course thought it would all be over within a few days.
42:30
Speaker 2: And then if we go on to basically sorry to
42:37
Speaker 2: this was so this was set up by the Cradle.
42:40
Speaker 2: This was a post by the Cradle. I think it
42:43
Speaker 2: was yesterday. So it says Israel based generative AI for good.
42:48
Speaker 2: A lot of people have responded that and said it
42:50
Speaker 2: should be for evil. Founded by Shari Ann Miamdovsky Schomach
42:55
Speaker 2: has produced an AI generated video depicting a supposed Iranian
42:59
Speaker 2: sect violence survivor for war propaganda purposes. The video was
43:04
Speaker 2: actually established before the war began against Iran. It's framed
43:09
Speaker 2: as being based on actual testimony, yet there's no verifiable
43:12
Speaker 2: evidence provided to support that claim, risking serious doubts about
43:17
Speaker 2: its authenticity and intent. She has previously been associated with
43:21
Speaker 2: creating similar AI generated content alleging sexual violence link t
43:26
Speaker 2: October the seventh, which has also faced scrutiny over a
43:30
Speaker 2: lack of substantiation. There is multiple documentation of that, so
43:35
Speaker 2: let's just have a look at this video to see
43:37
Speaker 2: how effective it is. Tirando tirand.
43:57
Speaker 5: Van Man of War.
44:00
Speaker 2: How Fashion World and your top I think taking standard
44:09
Speaker 2: a fashion Fana.
44:10
Speaker 1: Borders was in.
44:20
Speaker 2: I would point out, and many people did punt out
44:22
Speaker 2: on X. Of course, who is the country that is
44:25
Speaker 2: effectively defending people against prosecution for rape of Palestinian prisoners
44:30
Speaker 2: in the state Demain jail. There is an obsession with
44:34
Speaker 2: the subject of with these AI generated videos that are
44:38
Speaker 2: being put out to criminalize target organizations like commas or
44:44
Speaker 2: countries like you're on. So who's who is producing these videos.
44:50
Speaker 2: It's an organization called Generative AI for Good. Let's have
44:55
Speaker 2: a look at their partners. So their partner you can
45:00
Speaker 2: immediately their Microsoft and Matter that we know are pretty
45:03
Speaker 2: much surveilling and controlling so called free speech across the
45:08
Speaker 2: majority of social media apps, including of course WhatsApp. Now
45:14
Speaker 2: the flagship initiative, according to their own website, if we
45:19
Speaker 2: can just have that up, so we've mentioned the CEO
45:23
Speaker 2: our flagship initiative. Hearing their Voices uses AI avatars and
45:28
Speaker 2: voice technology to safely preserve and share testimonies of survivors
45:33
Speaker 2: of conflict related sexual of violence from Iran, Israel. October
45:38
Speaker 2: the seventh, Syria, Ukraine, Iraq and beyond. Launched at the
45:43
Speaker 2: United Nations, the project won the inaugural SEEMA Impact AI Awards.
45:48
Speaker 2: So effectively, we're being given testimonies that are effectively deep fake,
45:54
Speaker 2: and we're being told we have to believe them without
45:58
Speaker 2: any substantiation whatsoever. We're entering very dangerous territory here. And
46:04
Speaker 2: then I looked further into the website. I do intend
46:07
Speaker 2: doing a more in depth investigation into them, but this
46:10
Speaker 2: is another element of their work or their projects. Hack
46:14
Speaker 2: the Hate Again I would point to the hack element
46:20
Speaker 2: of that, because we know from former Mossad director Yoshi
46:24
Speaker 2: Cohen that every phone in the world has a bit
46:27
Speaker 2: of Israel in it. And this is a speaker at
46:31
Speaker 2: this event who belongs to the Unit eight two hundred
46:36
Speaker 2: alumni association. Now, what is very interesting to me if
46:44
Speaker 2: we then look at the impact of this part of
46:48
Speaker 2: their projects, we see there that Israeli Israel leads with
46:54
Speaker 2: this tax So this basically to me, means that Israel
46:57
Speaker 2: is going to be leading with this kind of deep
47:00
Speaker 2: fake evidencing or justification for war, for destabilization, for cracking
47:08
Speaker 2: down on dissidents. And then I wanted sorry if I
47:11
Speaker 2: can just go back to that for one second. When
47:14
Speaker 2: they talk about start of a movement, look at the
47:17
Speaker 2: image they're using and compare it to the one on
47:20
Speaker 2: the right. The one on the right is of Otpor.
47:23
Speaker 2: That was an orchestrated movement that brought down President Molssovitch
47:29
Speaker 2: back in two thousand, funded by Soros, by the National
47:33
Speaker 2: Endowment for Democracy for us AID by us AID, so effectively,
47:38
Speaker 2: I CIA orchestrated movement that has then been repeated in Syria,
47:44
Speaker 2: in Ukraine and in Iran. So very interesting symbolism going
47:51
Speaker 2: on there, and then I just wanted to have a
47:54
Speaker 2: look at this eight two hundred alumni association. So obviously
47:59
Speaker 2: it preserves the the legacy of Unit A two hundred,
48:03
Speaker 2: it supports graduates and so on, so very much. Again
48:08
Speaker 2: we're seeing an Israeli based company producing the deep fake
48:14
Speaker 2: videos and evidence that is going to be used, as
48:17
Speaker 2: I said, for nefarious purposes with again that Unit A
48:21
Speaker 2: two hundred tentaclele heavily embedded within it.
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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, Charles A really of the topic because the
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Speaker 1: diaspora in the UK has been well we've seen the
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Speaker 1: footage of them outside with the Israelief lags and so on.
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Speaker 1: But what are your thoughts on that?
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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's a very confused picture, and in
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Speaker 4: actual fact, when we talk about Iranian diaspora, I don't
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Speaker 4: just mean in the UK. But there is a particular
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Speaker 4: reason for looking at this now. Of the many voices
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Speaker 4: calling for a change to the situation in Iran, a
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Speaker 4: change to the government, a change to the regime, one
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Speaker 4: has just had an interaction described as being at the
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Speaker 4: UK Parliament, which took place yesterday's We just put that
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Speaker 4: on screen now conference to stop executions in Iran and
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Speaker 4: to support the NCRI now that's the National Coalition of
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Speaker 4: Resistance of Iran, and to support what's being described as
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Speaker 4: a provisional government.
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Speaker 16: Now.
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Speaker 4: The reason that this came about is because of the
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Speaker 4: presence of Mariam Rajavi, and she is described or describes
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Speaker 4: herself as the president elect of the NCRI for the
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Speaker 4: period to transfer sovereignty to the people of Iran. Sorry,
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Speaker 4: I misspoke, I meant National Council. We'll just listen to
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Speaker 4: what it was that she actually said.
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Speaker 14: Honorable dignitaries. When Western governments do not speak a single
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Speaker 14: word in response to these daily executions, it is the
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Speaker 14: Iranian people and political prisoners who pay the price. If
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Speaker 14: European governments adopt their policy without recognizing the need for
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Speaker 14: regym change in Iran, they will in practice be siding
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Speaker 14: with religious fascism. Since twenty ten, we have repeatedly stated
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Speaker 14: the Revolutionary Regard Corps must be designated as a terrorist organization.
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Speaker 14: We hope that the legal obstacles to this decision will
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Speaker 14: be removed as soon as possible, because on European governments
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Speaker 14: and especially the United Kingdom, to condition their relations with
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Speaker 14: the regime, on the halt of executions of political prisoners
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Speaker 14: and the killing of protesters, to bring the regime's leaders
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Speaker 14: to justice on their universal jurisdiction for more than four
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Speaker 14: decades of genocide and crimes against humanity. To recognize the
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Speaker 14: provisional government declared by the National Council of Resistance of Iran.
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Speaker 2: Thank you all.
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Speaker 4: Now, obviously she wasn't in parliament, She in actual factors
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Speaker 4: based in France. But obviously there you heard her calling
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Speaker 4: explicitly for regime change and indeed following exactly the same
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Speaker 4: line put out by the Tony Blair Institute in twenty
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Speaker 4: twenty three, which is to call for the prescription of
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Speaker 4: the IRGC. So if we just put that on screen, please,
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Speaker 4: that's from as I say, from twenty to twenty three. Now,
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Speaker 4: what makes her point interesting is to go back to
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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen and look at the briefing paper from the
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Speaker 4: House of Commons Library on the People's muja Dean of Iran.
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Speaker 4: The PMOI also part of the substructure of the umbrella
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Speaker 4: organization that's now represented by the NCRI, And in particular
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Speaker 4: we look to the text saying that the PMOI or
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Speaker 4: the Mudjahadin ekalc MIK is a group of exiled Iranians
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Speaker 4: opposed to the government of Iran. It's a member of
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Speaker 4: a wider coalition known as the National Council of Resistance
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Speaker 4: in Iran and they were put on the government's list
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Speaker 4: of prescribed terrorist organizations in March two thousand and one.
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Speaker 4: And it goes further although that the PMOI was removed
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Speaker 4: from the UK's prescribed organization's list a few years later
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Speaker 4: in two thousand and eight. Leader mariamra Javi has been
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Speaker 4: refused a visa. In nineteen ninety seven, the then Home
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Speaker 4: Secretary excluded Missus Rajavi on the ground that her presence
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Speaker 4: would not be conducive to the public good for reasons
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Speaker 4: of foreign policy and in light of the need to
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Speaker 4: take firm stance against terrorism. Well, one might ask what
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Speaker 4: has changed, And there's just one more bit of a
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Speaker 4: text here, the Homes Actuary arguing that permitting Rajavi to
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Speaker 4: enter the UK would be perceived as a deliberate political
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Speaker 4: move against Iran and that this risk destabilizing relations between
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Speaker 4: the UK and Iran, which would be detrimental to UK
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Speaker 4: national security interest. So, of course the wind has changed direction,
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Speaker 4: and if you're wondering from what quarters this does have support.
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Speaker 4: I'm just going to play a short clip of the
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Speaker 4: former Speaker of the House of Commons, John Burko, addressing
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Speaker 4: his issue, or at least his criticism or Razor Polavi,
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Speaker 4: the son of the late Shah.
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Speaker 16: Mister Polavi cannot be accused of too much arduous work
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Speaker 16: over the decades he was born into enormous wealth and privilege.
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Speaker 16: He scuttled off to the United States for and a
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Speaker 16: half decades ago. I'm not aware of anything useful he's
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Speaker 16: done since apparently he goes to bed at night. My
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Speaker 16: source tells me eagerly entertaining the hope that the moment.
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Speaker 5: Is nigh.
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Speaker 16: The prince over the water, who will come to the
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Speaker 16: rescue and achieve a position of leadership. Mate, you are
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Speaker 16: deluded in political terms. You are off your chump. You
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Speaker 16: haven't got a clue. It's not gonna happen. The idea
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Speaker 16: that the mass of the people of Iran again to
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Speaker 16: say to the sun of the most appalling autocrat who
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Speaker 16: pillaged the country and presided over mass destruction. Please, sir,
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Speaker 16: we know you haven't got much of a curriculum. Vita,
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Speaker 16: we know you haven't done by way of effective work
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Speaker 16: in your life, but we really like you to be
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Speaker 16: our next leader, mister Polavi. It isn't going to happen
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Speaker 16: do something else.
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Speaker 4: I don't oversimplify things, but in effect what's being called
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Speaker 4: for has great parallels with what has happened in Syria
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Speaker 4: over the last couple of years. I'm going to invite
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Speaker 4: Vanessa to comment on that in just a second, but
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Speaker 4: before I do, just say that people are aware of
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Speaker 4: the influence that the NCRI is able to exert in parliament.
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Speaker 4: We just look at a recent announcement from MP Bob
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Speaker 4: Blackman about the choice being sorry, the choice for Iran
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Speaker 4: is not chaos but a transition from dictatorships democracy. Of course, Berko,
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Speaker 4: we heard there no connection to Iran. He is Jewish,
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Speaker 4: and indeed Bob Blackman is of course a conservative friend
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Speaker 4: of Israel. So I just like your comment on specifically
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Speaker 4: you know the relationship between the NCRI and Israel, and
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Speaker 4: indeed the parallels with HTS and jil Larny.
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, effectively, we're just supporting another terrorist
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Speaker 2: group that has committed massacres in Iran against the Iranian people,
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Speaker 2: majority civilians, that has been designated a terrorist organization. And
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Speaker 2: by the way, I thought that one of the biggest
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Speaker 2: criticisms of Iran was the wearing of the hijab, and
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Speaker 2: yet here we are bringing in yet another hardline organization
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Speaker 2: similar to Jilani and Syria, that is now inflicting sort
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Speaker 2: of Dracronian measures on a secular Syria. And here we
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Speaker 2: are again supporting an organization which is effectively going to
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Speaker 2: again take Iran back to the dark ages. It's just
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Speaker 2: it's sheer lunacy. I mean, I don't understand how they're
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Speaker 2: spinning this one because the connections to m e K,
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Speaker 2: with Israel, with the CIA are undeniable on this and
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Speaker 2: historically very well known.
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Speaker 4: I'm completely or by the British administration at the moment
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Speaker 4: because that's what suits and Edessa, thanks very much. We'll
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Speaker 4: talk about that more in extra.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Charles, thank you, Vanessa. Now, on
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Speaker 1: Monday's news program, Brand covered the story of Mark Bullen,
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Speaker 1: a former Harfordshire police officer who he has become the
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Speaker 1: first British born person to have a citizenship revoked, in
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Speaker 1: this case over links to Russia. I just wanted to
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Speaker 1: very briefly mention that the Trump administration, well they announced
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Speaker 1: this a year ago, but they are making good progress
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Speaker 1: on it. They announced they were instructing the US Citizenship
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Speaker 1: and Immigration Service field officers to refer at least one
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Speaker 1: hundred between one hundred and two hundred d naturalization cases
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Speaker 1: per months to the Department of Justice during the course
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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty six and so recent coverage on this
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Speaker 1: is demonstrating that this is moving on quite nicely, thank
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Speaker 1: you very much, and they are on track with the
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Speaker 1: run four hundred people so far having their citizenship or
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Speaker 1: at least in the process of having their citizenship removed.
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Speaker 1: They are, of course, people that have come to the
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Speaker 1: United States and have obtained citizenship since they arrived, but
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Speaker 1: the States government has decided that it's time for them
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Speaker 1: to leave. So you know, the question is where does
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Speaker 1: that leave them as individuals and are they being left stateless?
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Speaker 1: This is something that I'm sure we'll talk about a
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Speaker 1: little bit more in extra but Vanessa, let's just finish
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Speaker 1: on a slightly lighter note.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just wanted to point this out to everyone
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Speaker 2: and recommend that they follow a group of young Iranians
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Speaker 2: that have established a little kind of AI animation company
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Speaker 2: called Explosive Media, and they've been putting out some very funny,
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Speaker 2: very good animated lego videos of Trump and the whole scenario.
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Speaker 2: So just play a section of their latest one, which
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Speaker 2: is the first one with music, which might not appeal
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Speaker 2: to everyone, but go with it. It's it's good fun.
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Speaker 16: That you turn Homie completely lost the bike dollar toys.
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Speaker 15: But you're running from the clock world.
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Speaker 16: Is that getting if the gate is open?
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Speaker 18: Yes?
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Speaker 15: Or now?
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Speaker 2: I just looked them in the eye and sold on
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Speaker 2: what I saw. Wait a minute, Homie, I said in shahlah,
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Speaker 2: little orange.
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Speaker 18: Man, little ounch Man, the straight of my red, little
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Speaker 18: orange Man.
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Speaker 16: I red, little orange Man, little oune man.
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Speaker 18: Gets strayed out of homers Little orange Man, little orange Man,
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Speaker 18: little hornch Man.
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Speaker 5: That the straight of my red little.
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Speaker 18: Orange Man read little orange Man, little ounch man gets
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Speaker 18: straight out of Homer's Little orange with a bigger king,
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Speaker 18: fake ring cap master with the lies, always threating great
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Speaker 18: success while your hold as quack rides on his mac
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Speaker 18: good a PopEd on shade that Spain, but you will
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Speaker 18: go be out. He hit the Persian rain, got it
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Speaker 18: you goo made of glass mostly on the Holy Seamen.
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Speaker 2: Well Worth watching the whole video, but I think they're
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Speaker 2: excellent and considering they're probably doing this on a shoes thing,
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Speaker 2: they deserve supporting.
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Speaker 1: I think we need to see much more of this
1:00:13
Speaker 1: kind of mickey taking of what's going on in the
1:00:16
Speaker 1: world and just you know, it definitely helps bring the
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Speaker 1: message home. Okay, thank you Vanessa, thank you Charles, thanks
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Speaker 1: to everybody that's watched this edition the UK column News.
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