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SICKOS: CEO 'ASSASSIN' LUIGI MANGIONE SCORES $500,000 & GIFTS FROM GHOULISH FANS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Sick hos, the so called CEO assassin Luigi Mangioni gets
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Speaker 2: a half a million dollars donations for his defense, sick
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Speaker 2: letters sent to him in jail, even gifts from ghoulish fans.
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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us.
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Speaker 3: What's next for Luigi Mangioni, a suspected CEO killer of
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Speaker 3: waits trial at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, amid
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Speaker 3: a flurry of fan mail and a legal fund boasting
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Speaker 3: almost half a million dollars.
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Speaker 2: That's right, yesterday it was almost half a million dollars.
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Speaker 4: It topped out at about.
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Speaker 2: Four hundred and seventy five four hundred and eighty thousand dollars.
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Speaker 2: But since then more donations have been pouring in. Who
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Speaker 2: who are these people that are funding Luigi Manngioni's defense?
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Speaker 2: Don't they know that his parents are millionaires, if not billionaires,
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Speaker 2: their bank account basically seated by the hard, back breaking
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Speaker 2: work of his grandparents. That aside, this is where the
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Speaker 2: case starts.
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Speaker 4: Listen.
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Speaker 5: For just over five days, our NYPD investigators combed through
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Speaker 5: thousands of hours of video, followed up on hundreds of
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Speaker 5: tips and processed every bit of forensic evidence, DNA fingerprints,
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Speaker 5: IP addresses, and so much more. To tighten the net,
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Speaker 5: we deployed drones, canine units, and scuba divers. We leveraged
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Speaker 5: the Domain Awareness system ARGUS cameras and conducted aviation canvasses.
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Speaker 5: And our detectives also went door to door interviewing potential
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Speaker 5: witnesses and doing the good old fashioned police work that
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Speaker 5: our investigators are famous for, thousands and thousands.
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Speaker 2: Of police at man hours, all to catch Luigi Mangioni.
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Speaker 2: Because of this, there you see the video with the
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Speaker 2: victim walking for Mangioni walking up directly behind him and
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Speaker 2: pulling the trigger. The victim, a father of two little boys,
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Speaker 2: now sent us to life without daddy him Now, based
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Speaker 2: on a new documentary, we are learning about his background.
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Speaker 2: The victim's background, very modest, very humble background, who works
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Speaker 2: his way up the corporate ladder only to be gunned
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Speaker 2: down on the sidewalk. And there's really no doubt that
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Speaker 2: the shooter is Mangioni. Let's see the shot of him
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Speaker 2: at a local hostel where he smiles and flirts with clerk.
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Speaker 4: It's a full on face shop.
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Speaker 2: Straight out to Anna Schechter, joining us CBS new senior
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Speaker 2: Coordinating producer for Crime and Public Safety beat, Anna, thank
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Speaker 2: you for.
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Speaker 4: Being with us.
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Speaker 2: I'm stunned that Mangioni has somehow raised half a million
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Speaker 2: dollars in donations.
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Speaker 4: Is that true?
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Speaker 1: It is true.
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Speaker 6: It's half a million dollars, and the organizers of this
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Speaker 6: givesend Go website state their goal is a million dollars
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Speaker 6: and his own legal defense team. These are well respected lawyer's,
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Speaker 6: former prosecutors in New York City. They created a website
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Speaker 6: that hyperlinks out to this fundraising website. This. I have
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Speaker 6: never seen this in twenty years of covering crime and
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Speaker 6: public safety, never seen anything like.
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Speaker 4: This, well, neither of I.
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Speaker 2: But aside from me, as half a million dollars donations
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Speaker 2: for his defense fund in the last days.
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Speaker 4: A bombshell in court.
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Speaker 2: Listen a learner and olage and that's for our friends
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Speaker 2: at Fox nine. Straight back to Anna Scheckter. What happened
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Speaker 2: in court?
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Speaker 6: Well, he pleaded not guilty despite the DNA evidence, the
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Speaker 6: surveillance video placing him at a Starbucks right before and
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Speaker 6: right there in front of that hotel, the fact that
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Speaker 6: when he was arrested in Altoona, Pennsylvania. He had a
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Speaker 6: ghost gun, the same gun, a gun that matched the
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Speaker 6: pellets that were left on the ground that he wrote
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Speaker 6: allegedly delay, deny, and depose in a seeming message, cryptic
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Speaker 6: message to the health insurance industry. So just so much
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Speaker 6: a mountain of evidence against him. But he's pleading not
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Speaker 6: guilty to eleven count in New York state counts and
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Speaker 6: four counts in federal court. One of them could carry
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Speaker 6: the death penalty.
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Speaker 2: Let's hear him pleading not guilty one more time, for
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Speaker 2: those of you just joining us, the so called CEO
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Speaker 2: assassin pleading not guilty in court. Let's hear it for
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Speaker 2: ourselves a learners and laws.
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Speaker 7: I mean.
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Speaker 4: That from our friends at Fox nine.
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Speaker 8: You know.
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Speaker 2: I like watching the demeanor of people in court. Do
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Speaker 2: they know what they're doing? Do they understand what's going on?
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Speaker 2: Are they lucid? I see in court right there an
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Speaker 2: attempt much like was used with the Menendez brothers, where
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Speaker 2: he's all prepped out and his defense attorneys are fawning
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Speaker 2: all over him. He knows to lean forward to the
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Speaker 2: microphone and in a clear voice, saying not guilty. This
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Speaker 2: amongst speculation that he may actually plead an insanity defense.
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Speaker 2: But moving forward, let's hear what else the defense attorney
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Speaker 2: says in court. I hope you're sitting down.
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Speaker 9: He was on display for everyone to see in the
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Speaker 9: biggest staged purp walk I've ever seen in my career.
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Speaker 9: There was no reason for the NYPD and everybody to
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Speaker 9: have these big assault rifles that frankly, I had no
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Speaker 9: idea it was in their arsenal, and to have all
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Speaker 9: of these the press there, the media there, It was
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Speaker 9: like perfectly choreographed. And what was the New York City
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Speaker 9: mayor doing at this press conference?
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Speaker 2: That video from our friends at Fox five and Fox nine,
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Speaker 2: you are hearing the defense attorney Kiaren Agnifello, the husband
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Speaker 2: Agnafello is representing Sean Combe's aka Diddy.
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Speaker 4: She is whining in court that quote.
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Speaker 2: Her client was on display for everyone to see in
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Speaker 2: the biggest stay purp walk I've ever seen in my career.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of the purp Walk, let's take a look at
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Speaker 2: it ourselves and.
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Speaker 10: Experience.
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Speaker 2: Oh my stars, that from the Des Moines Register. Did
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Speaker 2: you hear what he was saying? Anna Scheckter, Can I
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Speaker 2: can I see it one more time? I just want
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Speaker 2: to see it while I hear Anna explain, did you
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Speaker 2: hear what he was saying? He is saying that everybody
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Speaker 2: else is completely out of touch, that the insurance industry
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Speaker 2: is completely out of touch, that it's an insult to
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Speaker 2: the intelligence of the American people. And to quote lived experience,
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Speaker 2: the lived experience. Now that video from our friends at
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Speaker 2: Des Moines Register, the lived experience. This is coming from
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Speaker 2: a guy who's bankrolled by mommy and Daddy, who were
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Speaker 2: banked rolled by grandma and grandpa, and and he's talking
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Speaker 2: about our regular people's lived experienced. This guy who's living
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Speaker 2: in a high rise in Honolulu looking out at the
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Speaker 2: sunset him that serves all day.
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Speaker 4: That guy.
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Speaker 6: This was his first hearing in Pennsylvania, the first time
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Speaker 6: that we saw him after he was arrested, and he
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Speaker 6: was acting erratically. He was shouting, this is an insult
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Speaker 6: to the American people in their lived experience. And he
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Speaker 6: in his own mind and in his own writings that
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Speaker 6: were found on his person when he was arrested in Pennsylvania,
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Speaker 6: he had this seemingly delusion of grandeur that he alone
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Speaker 6: could pick this CEO off. And the words he used
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Speaker 6: were these parasites had it coming, according to our law
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Speaker 6: enforcement sources and the documents that CBS News has seen.
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Speaker 6: So this erratic behavior linked up with that grandiosity we'll see.
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Speaker 6: It seemed to me like, don't forget Karen Agna. Philo
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Speaker 6: told CNN before she was retained as his counsel that
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Speaker 6: he might plead use an insanity police So that was
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Speaker 6: kind of a message. Maybe we can infer that we
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Speaker 6: are going to see this. But then, like you said,
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Speaker 6: when he pleaded not guilty in New York State Court,
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Speaker 6: he leaned into the microphone. He had control of himself.
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Speaker 6: He was wearing a button down shirt and then maroon sweater,
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Speaker 6: kind of looking put together. He did do some erratic
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Speaker 6: things in the courtroom, like raise his eyebrows in sort
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Speaker 6: of an aggressive way and look directly at members of
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Speaker 6: the press. So it's interesting there's erratic behavior coupled with
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Speaker 6: seemingly this sort of preppy, put together then near that
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Speaker 6: we've seen, it's just a very very bizarre set of
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Speaker 6: circumstances that we're.
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Speaker 1: Watching crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: In the last hours, Luigimnngioni in a court of law
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Speaker 2: for an arrayment and Gerald Cohen a fancy word for
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Speaker 2: bringing the defendant in.
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Speaker 4: Court and reading the charges out.
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Speaker 2: Loud from the indictment against him, with his lawyer present,
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Speaker 2: and the defendant pleads guilty or not guilty, and if
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Speaker 2: he can't bring himself to speak, like Brian Coberger, the
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Speaker 2: lawyer will interplease for him. If nobody speaks, the judge
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Speaker 2: will automatically enter a not guilty please.
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Speaker 4: That's all on arrayment, is right.
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Speaker 11: Nancy, That's exactly what it is. It's only a way
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Speaker 11: of the court saying when you plead not guilty, you're
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Speaker 11: going to be set for trial at some point in
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Speaker 11: the future. And pleading not guilty doesn't mean he won't
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Speaker 11: interuplea at some point, probably in my view, through some
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Speaker 11: sort of psychiatric problem, not guilty by reason of insanity
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Speaker 11: of some sort.
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Speaker 2: Wait, so you're telling me the guy that writes this extensive,
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Speaker 2: I don't know how many words manifesto with an intimate
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Speaker 2: knowledge of the healthcare industry exhibited in the manifesto, who
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Speaker 2: has the wherewithal to gather all the parts and create
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Speaker 2: a ghost gun which takes oh gosh, around one hundred
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Speaker 2: hours to create a ghost gun. You three D print
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Speaker 2: it at home and track the victim all across the country, writing.
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Speaker 4: In his notes in his notebook how.
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Speaker 2: He tracked him down and that the gathering the conference
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Speaker 2: would be the perfect opportunity. There's the ghost gun, perfect opportunity.
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Speaker 2: It's like a jackal and a gazelle. He waited for
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Speaker 2: the victim to leave the hotel and finally be alone
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Speaker 2: on an early morning walk for a breakfast at a convention,
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Speaker 2: stalked him, lay in wait for over an hour after
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Speaker 2: having watched him and cased him, then pounced and shot him.
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Speaker 2: That's the guy you're telling me that, under the old
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Speaker 2: McNaughton rule, didn't know right from wrong.
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Speaker 4: At the time of the incident.
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Speaker 11: Really, what I'm saying to you is, really he was
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Speaker 11: brought up not privileged, but overprivileged. I'm at the top
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Speaker 11: of the heap now I can look down and he
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Speaker 11: becomes part of his own cult. Everything he did shows
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Speaker 11: that he had been overprivileged. He decided that he needed
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Speaker 11: to see everything in the world his way.
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Speaker 2: Because kay actually hurting my ears, My ears are bleeding.
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Speaker 2: Thomas Smith joining me right now, former NYPD detective.
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Speaker 4: He knows the crime scene like the back of his hand.
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Speaker 2: Now Star of Gold Shields Podcast, Tom, thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us.
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Speaker 4: You here.
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Speaker 2: Darryl Cohen, veteran defense attorney, teeing it up the affluenza
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Speaker 2: defense used by Ethan Cash and he mowed down a
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Speaker 2: whole group of people onside the road that I was
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Speaker 2: just too rich to understand what I was doing. Affluent affluenza.
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Speaker 2: That's a crocabs right there.
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Speaker 12: I would have to agree, because here's what's going to happen.
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Speaker 12: You know, the premeditation is going to be the compelling
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Speaker 12: factor in this, with him pleading an insanity plea or
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Speaker 12: whatever he may do in the future. The planning that
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Speaker 12: had to go into this, the integral parts that he
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Speaker 12: put into this, making the gun, tracking him, you know,
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Speaker 12: laying in weight, knowing his schedule, and then shooting him
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Speaker 12: in cold blood. The escape route where he was going
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Speaker 12: was all planned out. So to all of a sudden,
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Speaker 12: say he snapped and something along his mental capacity changed.
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Speaker 12: His normal way of thinking. Is not going to worry
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Speaker 12: in my mind?
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Speaker 6: Now?
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Speaker 12: Could he do as sure he can, but I don't
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Speaker 12: think that's going to work too well.
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Speaker 13: This morning, at six forty six a m. Patrol offices
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Speaker 13: from Midtown North priests and responded to a nine to
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Speaker 13: one one call of a person shot.
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Speaker 5: It appears a suspect was lying in wait for several minutes.
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Speaker 5: The suspect approached from behind and fired several rounds.
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Speaker 13: The shooter then walks toward the victim and continues to.
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Speaker 4: Shoot in the last hour.
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Speaker 2: Is a so called CEO assassin in courtplating not guilty.
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Speaker 2: This is more of what his defense attorney had to say.
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Speaker 4: Listen, he's a.
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Speaker 9: Young man and he is being treated like a human
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Speaker 9: ping pong ball between two warring jurisdictions here, and they
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Speaker 9: are literally treating him like he is like some sort
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Speaker 9: of political fodder, like some sort of spectacle.
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Speaker 2: That's my friends at Fox nine. Loyd, let me understand.
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Speaker 2: Anna Scheckter again, I'm going to bring in the rest
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Speaker 2: of panel just a moment. She the defense attorney, is
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Speaker 2: arguing that he, her client, Luigi Mangioni, is being rereated
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Speaker 2: like a human ping pong. Well, if he didn't want
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Speaker 2: to be extradited from Pennsylvania back to New York, he
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Speaker 2: shouldn't have committed a crime there to get arrested and
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Speaker 2: in New York to get extradited. That's why he's a
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Speaker 2: ping pong, right, he's facing these charges in New York
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Speaker 2: first because the murder occurred in New York, but there
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Speaker 2: are additional charges in Pennsylvania. So if he didn't want
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Speaker 2: to be extradited, he should have thought about that before
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Speaker 2: he committed all the crimes.
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Speaker 8: That's right.
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Speaker 6: He's facing eleven counts in New York, so that this
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Speaker 6: is the biggest pace, and two of them are terrorism related.
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Speaker 6: Remember after nine to eleven, new statutes were put in
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Speaker 6: place and investigators used those the first degree murder and
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Speaker 6: second degree murder on related to terrorism. So those charges
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Speaker 6: he faces now because that's New York state, maximum would
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Speaker 6: be life in prison. And then the Feds got involved,
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Speaker 6: The FBI was involved. He crossed state lines in order
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Speaker 6: to do this, and then he took a bus from
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Speaker 6: Atlanta to New York City in order to carry this out.
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Speaker 6: Then he again crossed state lines into Pennsylvania. So immediately
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Speaker 6: the US Marshals are involved, the FBI is involved. He's
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Speaker 6: facing federal chargers. That federal first degree murder charge could
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Speaker 6: carry the death penalty, and look at what President Trump
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Speaker 6: talked about with regards to the death penalty, supporting that.
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Speaker 6: So let's see how this plays out. That's really interesting.
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Speaker 6: He's facing those four federal charges, and then in Pennsylvania
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Speaker 6: he's facing charges involving possession of weapons and munition and
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Speaker 6: also the forgery.
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Speaker 2: Charge, Anna Sector, You're exactly right. The reason he's charged
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Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania and Altoona is this.
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Speaker 4: Listen to what he had with him.
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Speaker 14: When police take Luigi Mangioni into custody, a search of
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Speaker 14: his backpack turns up what appears to be a gun
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Speaker 14: printed using a three D prints, along with a silencer
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Speaker 14: that strongly resembles the gun seen in video.
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Speaker 4: Footage of the assassination.
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Speaker 14: Officers recover a fake new Jersey ID matching the one
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Speaker 14: used by the killer when he registers at a Manhattan
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Speaker 14: hostel ten days before the shooting of Brian Thompson, as
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Speaker 14: well as clothing which matches that worn by the shooter.
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Speaker 14: Police also recover a two and a half page manifesto
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Speaker 14: two hundred and sixty two words handwritten that lays out
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Speaker 14: possible motivations for the attack.
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Speaker 2: To doctor Chloe Carmichael joining us, renown clinical psychologist, author
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Speaker 2: of Nervous Energy Harness The Power of Your Anxiety. Doctor Chloe,
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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. A nearly three hundred
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Speaker 2: word manifesto. Really, and it's completely lucid. It's very well
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Speaker 2: thought out. How's this guy going to plead insanity?
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Speaker 10: That's a great question, Nancy. And let's also remember that
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Speaker 10: that manifesto was literally addressed to the Feds, which suggests
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Speaker 10: that he was quite clearly aware that his actions were
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Speaker 10: going to attract legal attention, just an awareness of right
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Speaker 10: and wrong. He also in that manifesto apologizes quote for
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Speaker 10: the trauma that I've caused, but it had to be done,
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Speaker 10: or something to that effect, which again suggests that he
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Speaker 10: was fully aware that he was inflicting harm. Moreover, he
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Speaker 10: obviously fled the scene and attempted to hide himself, again
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Speaker 10: suggesting a full awareness of right and wrong as well
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Speaker 10: as of the legality.
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Speaker 2: Also, the attorney is whining about comments that have been
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Speaker 2: made by the state.
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Speaker 4: Listen.
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Speaker 9: The second thing I want to make a record of
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Speaker 9: your honor is I'm very concerned about my client's right
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Speaker 9: to a fair trial in this case, he's being prejudiced
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Speaker 9: by some statements that are being made by government officials.
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Speaker 2: From our friends at Fox nine, Daryl Cohen, what statements.
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Speaker 4: Is she talking about? When he was arraigned.
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Speaker 2: When the pressors were recurring, when the manhunt was on,
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Speaker 2: when the arrest was made.
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Speaker 4: Is is that what she's complaining about Nancy.
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Speaker 11: What she says is not what she means. Smoke divert mitigate.
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Speaker 11: Smoke divert mitigate. She's throwing out smoke because she knows
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Speaker 11: she has to. What he did was obvious. How he
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Speaker 11: did it was obvious, and she's trying to set the
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Speaker 11: scene where he was not mentally the way he should
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Speaker 11: have been. That's all we're talking about again. Don't confuse
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Speaker 11: what she says, how she says it with what she means.
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Speaker 4: We're asking the public for your help.
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Speaker 3: Who killed United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
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Speaker 13: She appears to be a light skinned male. He's wearing
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Speaker 13: a light brown or cream colored jacket and a very
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Speaker 13: distinctive gray backpack with still tracking video. The last we
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Speaker 13: see with him on that bike is in Central Parking.
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Speaker 4: In the last hours.
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Speaker 2: He so called CEO assassin Luigi Mangioni in court pleading
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Speaker 2: not guilty, amidst swirling rumors he will ultimately change that
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Speaker 2: plea to insanity. Now there are two choices, not guilty
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Speaker 2: by reason of insanity, which means yes, I did it,
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Speaker 2: but I was insane when I did it, or guilty
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Speaker 2: but mentally ill, guilty by reason of insanity. So you've
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Speaker 2: got a not guilty by reason of insanity, and you've
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Speaker 2: got a guilty by reason of insanity.
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Speaker 4: Those are the choices.
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Speaker 2: But he surely didn't look insane to me in court
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Speaker 2: when he fled not guilty. Back to the public website,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't just explain.
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Speaker 4: Luigi Mangioni's point of view. It's raising money. Listen.
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Speaker 15: Luigi Manjoni's new website includes a link to a give
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Speaker 15: send to go crowdfunding website. Supporters have been making donations
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Speaker 15: in order to help pay man Jennie's legal fees. The
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Speaker 15: beginning of this week, donation's top four hundred and seventy
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Speaker 15: five dollars. Man Joni's lead defense attorney, Karen Friedman agna Fillo,
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Speaker 15: told ABC News, Luigi is aware of the fund and
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Speaker 15: very much appreciates the outpouring of support. My client plans
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Speaker 15: on utilizing it to fight all three of the unprecedented
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Speaker 15: cases against him.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Joining us now Jackie Howard Crime Story Senior producer Jackie
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Speaker 2: What is on the website Luigi Mangioni's personal website.
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Speaker 8: Oh, there are so many things on their nancy. First,
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Speaker 8: we have his writings. He reached out to his so
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Speaker 8: called fans, writing a letter telling everyone how much he
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Speaker 8: appreciates them getting in touch to him with him rather
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Speaker 8: asking them to limit what they send, but lets his
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Speaker 8: fans know that he reads everything that he gets sent.
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Speaker 8: There's an explanation all from his attorneys on why they
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Speaker 8: decided to create this website, so that they could counter
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Speaker 8: any misinformation that they say was put out there about
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Speaker 8: their clients. They have a link to the website to
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Speaker 8: raise money and the original goal was five hundred thousand
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Speaker 8: dollars and by the beginning of this week they had
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Speaker 8: already reached three quarters, actually more than three quarters of
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Speaker 8: their goal only with twenty five thousand dollars remaining.
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Speaker 2: This as a documentary Who is Luigi Mangioni?
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Speaker 4: Number one?
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Speaker 2: Do I care who he is? And a court of law,
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Speaker 2: the state only has to prove who did it and
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Speaker 2: was it in the right jurisdiction.
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Speaker 4: That's it. So who is Luigi Mangioni? Listen?
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Speaker 16: Who is Luigi Mangioni? Has an actor reading Mangioni's words
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Speaker 16: from a letter he wrote to authorities, comments he left online,
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Speaker 16: and statements he made to his mister Cactus Reddit account.
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Speaker 16: Mangioni says his initial health issues began when he contracted
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Speaker 16: lime disease at thirteen. Mangione says he started noticing mild
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Speaker 16: cognitive declines at fifteen, and the symptoms kept getting worse.
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Speaker 16: He recounts the brain fog and memory loss, yet doctors
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Speaker 16: could not diagnose a problem. He discusses his back pain
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Speaker 16: along with bladder and gentital pain.
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Speaker 2: Okay, a little too much information, but that said, joining
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Speaker 2: me now renowned chief medical.
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Speaker 4: Examiner from Terran County.
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Speaker 2: That's fort Worth Lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine
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Speaker 2: at TCU, Doctor Kendall Crowns. Doctor Kendall Crowns, does lime
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Speaker 2: disease cause insanity?
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Speaker 17: Lime disease does cause cognitive issues like memory impairment, kind
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Speaker 17: of brain fog confusion, But I don't know if it
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Speaker 17: causes insanity like paranoid delusions or anything like that. I've
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Speaker 17: never heard of it causing that type of behavior.
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Speaker 4: Doctor Kindle Crowns.
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Speaker 2: Are you suggesting that when he had, according to him,
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Speaker 2: lime disease, as a little boy. He now has such
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Speaker 2: a bad case of brain fog that he didn't know
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Speaker 2: right from wrong when he allegedly gunned down the health boss.
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Speaker 17: No, I'm not suggesting that he doesn't know right from wrong.
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Speaker 17: He can have confusion or memory impairment, but I don't
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Speaker 17: know anything that I've ever read where it says that
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Speaker 17: they become paranoid or delusional, can't figure out what they're doing,
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Speaker 17: so that I'm.
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Speaker 2: Not aware of what exactly is lime disease, Doctor Kendall Crowns.
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Speaker 17: Lime disease is caused by Beryllia bacteria, which is carried
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Speaker 17: in deer ticks, and the deer tick bites you in
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Speaker 17: the bacteria into your blood stream and.
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Speaker 4: Then you get So we're blaming the deer tick for.
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Speaker 17: Lime disease, yes, but not for shooting the healthcare.
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Speaker 2: Person joining us, Doctor Kendall Crowns, I'm not mocking you.
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Speaker 2: I'm mocking the suggestion that a deer tick a bite
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Speaker 2: at age thirteen, has caused brain fog that somehow excuses
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Speaker 2: him gunning down an unarmed man on a public street,
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Speaker 2: leaving behind two boys, little boys.
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Speaker 4: Without a dad and a widow.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Crown's now launching a brand new podcast, d A
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Speaker 2: Dead on Arrival on March four. Doctor Chloe Carmichael, clinical
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Speaker 2: psychologist and author. Have you ever heard that one that
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Speaker 2: deer a deer tick lime disease at age thirteen and
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Speaker 2: mild their words, not mine, mild cognitive decline at age
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Speaker 2: fifteen is somehow resulting in brain fog that equals insanity
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Speaker 2: under the law.
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Speaker 4: Really, No, Nancy, obviously not.
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Speaker 10: And that would certainly be a smear to people with
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Speaker 10: lyme disease everywhere to suggest, you know, that they have
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Speaker 10: this propensity to just you know, become deranged killers. And
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Speaker 10: as to the idea that he had any sort of
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Speaker 10: brain fog, well, it obviously didn't prevent him from you know,
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Speaker 10: carefully crafting a plan and assembling a ghost gun and
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Speaker 10: tracking this man down with, as he said, a CAD
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Speaker 10: computer assisted you know, digital things. He was very sophisticated.
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Speaker 10: And then his I think of anything, he's suffering from
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Speaker 10: an acute case. Potentially, though I haven't Metamora, assessed him
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Speaker 10: of narcissism and grandiosity, you know, when he's spouting off
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Speaker 10: about his lived experience. What that really means is my perspective,
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Speaker 10: And so the fact that he thinks that his perspective
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Speaker 10: is somehow justifies or warns him. He's saying, oh, that healthcare,
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Speaker 10: that it's costing people's lives.
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Speaker 4: Well, guess what he did.
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Speaker 10: He went in, took somebody's life, and he literally apparently
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Speaker 10: allegedly wrote wrote words on the bullet. So no, I
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Speaker 10: don't think that this is a case of brain fog.
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Speaker 10: To me, this looks like a case of narcissism, grandiosity,
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Speaker 10: and psychopathy.
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Speaker 4: Potentially.
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Speaker 2: I always argue to jury's if you didn't know what
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Speaker 2: you were doing was wrong, why did you take off
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Speaker 2: running and hide out after you did it, get rid
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Speaker 2: of the weapon, change clothes, catch public transport to throw
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Speaker 2: off your scent. It goes on and on the degree
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Speaker 2: of planning even in the flight. Now, I want you
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Speaker 2: to hear what is said about a potential in sanity
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Speaker 2: plea on a brand new documentary Who is Luigimangioni.
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Speaker 7: He started reading the writings of the unibomber take I
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Speaker 7: found online that I think is interesting.
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Speaker 3: Violence against them who lead us to destruction is justified as.
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Speaker 4: Self that's our friends and investigation discovery.
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Speaker 2: But that last sentence, destruction is justified as self defense.
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Speaker 2: That's more along the lines in this case as a
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Speaker 2: cold blooded shooting equaling jury nullification. To Jackie Howard, joining
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Speaker 2: US Crime Story Senior producer, Jackie, isn't it true that
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Speaker 2: a legion of as you call them, fans showed up
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Speaker 2: at the arrayment if we're talking about jury nullification, which
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Speaker 2: means they know the person committed the act, like an
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Speaker 2: OJ Simpson, for instance, but they don't care.
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Speaker 4: That's what we're looking at. Tell me about the people.
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Speaker 2: That had shown up at the arrangement fans, and a
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Speaker 2: lot of.
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Speaker 8: Them, nearly two dozen showed up, means the holding signs,
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Speaker 8: chanting free luisj Me and Gione, and most of them
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Speaker 8: were women again, holding signs and just making their presence known.
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Speaker 3: Suspected United Healthcare CEO killer Luigi Mengioni breaks his silence
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Speaker 3: for the first time since his arrest, sharing in a statement,
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Speaker 3: I am overwhelmed by and grateful for everyone.
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Speaker 4: Clear photos of his face.
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Speaker 8: We're what alerted the customers and employees at that McDonald's
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Speaker 8: in Altoona, Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 2: That's from our friends at Investigation Discovery. So with all
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Speaker 2: that planning, all that navigating across Manhattan to make his escape.
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Speaker 2: The defense is entertaining an insanity plea and insanity plea?
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Speaker 2: What based on the lime disease caused by deer tick
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Speaker 2: when he was thirteen years old? Now this is after
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Speaker 2: he Jackie Howard joining us from crime stories. Jackie was
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Speaker 2: he valedictorian at high school at his elite prep school
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Speaker 2: and then went on to the Ivy League University of Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 4: Do I have that right?
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Speaker 8: You have that right, Nacy. He was well known for
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Speaker 8: his academic prowess, and teachers and students that like bragged
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Speaker 8: on him constantly about his intelligent approach to everything.
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Speaker 4: So let me understand.
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Speaker 2: To Daryl Cohen, who has launched many an insanity defense,
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Speaker 2: the valedictorian that graduated from Ivy League school is going
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Speaker 2: to plead insanity based on the lyme disease at age thirteen?
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Speaker 11: Nancy, what he is doing? Think about this? Go back
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Speaker 11: days of yesteryear bear fisted heavyweight fights. This is a
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Speaker 11: fight between the state or the United States government and
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Speaker 11: Luigi Maggioni for either eth in prison if he wins,
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Speaker 11: or the death penalty if he loses. Either way, he
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Speaker 11: is going to go down. It's just a question.
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Speaker 2: About the insanity fence and you're not answering, and I
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Speaker 2: think I know why, guys. Regardless of the dear tick
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Speaker 2: issue when he was thirteen, he doesn't sing insane when
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Speaker 2: he is photographed tickling three girls at once.
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Speaker 4: In his Honolulu high rise.
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Speaker 7: Photos have emerged of Mangioni's time in Hawaii living the
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Speaker 7: high life. The photos show the accused killer soaking up
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Speaker 7: the sun, dining with friends, and carousing with a pair
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Speaker 7: of beautiful young women. One photo shows Mangioni cuddled up
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Speaker 7: on the couch next to a grinning woman, his arm
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Speaker 7: draped behind her. Another snap in a breezeway shows Mangoni
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Speaker 7: tickling the two women while they laugh.
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Speaker 2: Okay, there was a tickle victim number three, but that said.
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Speaker 2: In this new documentary, comparisons are drawn between Luigi Mangioni
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Speaker 2: and the murder victim.
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Speaker 4: Listen.
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Speaker 15: A new documentary called Who Is Luigi Mangoni traces the
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Speaker 15: lives a suspect Mangioni and his victim, CEO Brian Thompson,
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Speaker 15: and shows how at one point in their lives they
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Speaker 15: had a lot in common, with both being valedictorian of
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Speaker 15: their high school class. The story of the two Men
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Speaker 15: also details the rapidest sin of Thompson, who came from
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Speaker 15: a rather modest home life growing up while Mangoni grew
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Speaker 15: up with expensive private schools where money was never an issue,
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Speaker 15: and how their lives intersected on a deadly morning in December.
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Speaker 2: That's right, Mangioni growing up with a silver spoon in
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Speaker 2: his mouth. Note a fork and a spoon, pure silver.
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Speaker 4: Listen.
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Speaker 15: The suspected killer of United Health CEO Brian Thompson comes
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Speaker 15: from a wealthy, educated, connected Maryland family. His grandfather grew
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Speaker 15: up poor as a first generation American who built a
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Speaker 15: real estate business that includes country clubs and media investments.
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Speaker 15: Mangoni is the cousin of Republican Maryland House of Delegates
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Speaker 15: member Nino Mangoni. His mother, cath Lean Zenino Mangoni, owns
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Speaker 15: a travel company, and his sister, Maria Santamanzoni, is a
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Speaker 15: respected doctor, a medical resident a ut Southwestern Medical Center
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Speaker 15: in Dallas after graduating from Vanderbilt Medical School.
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Speaker 1: So he was born.
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Speaker 2: In money, more money than any of us can really
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Speaker 2: even imagine. Yet somehow he is representing himself as Robin Hood,
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Speaker 2: taking from the rich, giving to the poor. That Robin
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Speaker 2: Hood and threw in a premeditated murder into it. Now,
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Speaker 2: legal pundits are claiming that Luigi Mangoni will never be
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Speaker 2: convicted because of a jury in validating the entire state's
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Speaker 2: case jury nullification because they are angry at the.
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Speaker 4: Health care industry.
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Speaker 2: That aside, I'm concerned about a groupie getting on the jury.
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Speaker 4: Listen to this.
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Speaker 16: The defense team asks that supporters limit the number of items.
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Speaker 16: It's pointed out that quote Luigi is allowed to receive
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Speaker 16: photos via Shutterfly and free prints in accordance with male procedures.
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Speaker 16: It continues, Luigi appreciates the photos that are sent and
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Speaker 16: kindly asks that people send no more than five photos
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Speaker 16: at a time. In his public statement, Mangioni writes, while
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Speaker 16: it is impossible for me to reply to most letters,
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Speaker 16: please know that I read everyone that I receive. Thank
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Speaker 16: you again to everyone who took time to write. I
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Speaker 16: look forward to hearing more in the future.
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Speaker 2: To Tom Smith, joining us NYPD detective for thirty years,
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Speaker 2: also assigned to the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force and
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Speaker 2: co host of gold Shields podcast, Tom, how do you
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Speaker 2: think that makes law enforcement feel much less? The victim's
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Speaker 2: family the two little boys and the wife that find
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Speaker 2: out daddy's gunned down on the street because he's a
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Speaker 2: CEO of a healthcare in stree Player. So now Luigimnngioni
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Speaker 2: and his website, which is soliciting money up to a
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Speaker 2: half a million dollars at this time, is saying, don't
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Speaker 2: send me more than five photos at once.
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Speaker 12: It's just disgraceful and it's a slap in the face
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Speaker 12: to victim, victim, his family, the children, all the hard
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Speaker 12: work in law enforcement did, because all they're doing is
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Speaker 12: propping him up to be this messiah and this celebrity
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Speaker 12: when all he is is a cold bloody killer. This
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Speaker 12: goes to you know, we mentioned this once before. You know,
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Speaker 12: it's like Charles Manson, the Menendez Brothers, Richard Vermirez, all
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Speaker 12: of these you know, followers that come out for this
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Speaker 12: cold blooded killer is just an attempt to taint a
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Speaker 12: jury pool if they go in that direction. That's what
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Speaker 12: I feel. And the Netflix series is doing the same thing.
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Speaker 12: They're just reaching out and trying to get doubt into
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Speaker 12: anyone's mind into this kid is a celebrity, he's not
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Speaker 12: a murderer. And the prosecution band defense good and hopefully
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Speaker 12: it just doesn't work that people see through this.
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Speaker 2: Apparently Mangioni is developing a cult following.
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Speaker 16: Luigi Mangioni's cult following says his prosecution is part quote
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Speaker 16: of a corporate backed narrative and that the case against
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Speaker 16: him is unprecedented. In some online post, Mangioni is praised
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Speaker 16: as a figure of humanitarianism and anti capitalism. Online post
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Speaker 16: ad that Mangioni's prosecution is both unprecedented and a sign
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Speaker 16: of government overreach. Supporters called for a ban on id's
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Speaker 16: new documentary Who Is Luigi Mangioni.
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Speaker 15: Some social media users are using the murder of United
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Speaker 15: Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson to make a statement by urging
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Speaker 15: potential jurors in any future trial of Luigi Mangoni to
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Speaker 15: acquit the alleged murderer even if they think he's guilty.
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Speaker 15: These so called gen Z influencers are urging other social
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Speaker 15: media users to become familiar with jury nullification. This is
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Speaker 15: when a jury returns a not guilty verdict even when
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Speaker 15: they believe the person is guilty.
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Speaker 8: To the people who are going to end up on
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Speaker 8: that jury for that guy who shot the CEO.
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Speaker 5: They haven't caught him yet.
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Speaker 6: Just remember that if all they have is circumstantial evidence
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Speaker 6: an eyewitness reports, you don't have to make that man guilty.
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Speaker 2: Okay, talk about a groupie possibly getting on the jury.
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Speaker 2: That was TikTok user neam h.
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Speaker 4: And it's not just them.
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Speaker 18: Listen, this is this is an attractive you know, we
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Speaker 18: got to drop the banner, sure why? And it's it
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Speaker 18: is deeply troubling that we are celebrating this person who's
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Speaker 18: committed cold blooded murderer.
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Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, that's why, CNN Jackie Howard, did I just
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Speaker 2: hear the anchors say drop the banner so she could get.
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Speaker 4: A full on body shot to see his chest.
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Speaker 8: That's exactly what you heard, Nancy.
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Speaker 4: Okay, I don't believe. I want to hear it again.
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Speaker 18: This is this is an attractive you know, we got
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Speaker 18: to drop the banner.
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Speaker 1: That's sure why.
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Speaker 18: And it is deeply troubling that we are celebrating this
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Speaker 18: person who's committed cold blooded murder.
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Speaker 2: That's where our friends at CNN, Daryl, I actually think
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Speaker 2: she said drop the banner, and you'll see why.
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Speaker 4: I think there was a lot of cross talk. Did
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Speaker 4: you hear that.
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Speaker 11: I heard it, Nancy, And what bothers me is she
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Speaker 11: is saying one thing and doing another by dropping the banner.
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Speaker 11: He is supposed to be endearing to the American public
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Speaker 11: as a not as a murderer, not as an assassin,
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Speaker 11: but is a really good guy. So this is troubling
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Speaker 11: to me to steal her words.
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Speaker 2: Mangioni's fame is apparently worldwide.
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Speaker 16: Increased support for Luigi Mangioni and the use of his
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Speaker 16: image is cropping up in unusual places. Some social media
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Speaker 16: posts show the accused killer's likeness being featured on birthday cakes.
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Speaker 16: A German mother surprised her daughter and in the video
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Speaker 16: she can be seen laughing as she cuts the cake.
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Speaker 16: Printed on the cake is happy birthday, Malve, Sorry I
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Speaker 16: can't be at your party this time. According to the
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Speaker 16: birthday Girl, the cake was a joke. Even more over
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Speaker 16: the top, A bar recently hosting a Valentine's Day themed
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Speaker 16: love letter event for the accused killer.
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Speaker 2: A birthday cake in Germany with Mangioni's face on it.
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Speaker 2: Two Doctor Kendall Crowns are now chief medical Examiner esteemed
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Speaker 2: lecturer at Burnett' School of Medicine. Doctor Kendall Crowns. What
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Speaker 2: did the victim endure as he bled out on the sidewalk?
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Speaker 2: Do you think you had time to think of as
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Speaker 2: two little boys?
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Speaker 17: Because he's not shot in the head, he has a
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Speaker 17: time to bleed out, and it'll take a few minutes.
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Speaker 17: He's conscious, he'll be feeling pain, he'll be having trouble breathing,
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Speaker 17: He'll becoming cold and then slowly passing out and then
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Speaker 17: going into a coma in dying.
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Speaker 4: Hey, you can stick that on your birthday cake.
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Speaker 2: Lady Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend, give us