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Anna McEvoy's 'Drawn Out' Wedding Content, The Instagram Handle Battle & Molly Mae Hits Out · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show, a US
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  Speaker 1: influencer is accused of bullying her namesake over her Instagram handle.
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  Speaker 1: Molly May addresses budget airline controversy and Anna McAvoy's drawn
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  Speaker 1: out wedding content. But first, a YouTuber has shared her
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  Speaker 1: unusual food quirk when it comes to eating burgers or
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  Speaker 1: anything round for that matter. 23-year-old Anastasia Kingsnorth, who's built
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  Speaker 1: a career off eating fast food, has admitted she never
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  Speaker 1: finishes the last piece of anything round. Here's what she said.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I do have one actually. So I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if you know this about me either actually. It's very random,
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  Speaker 2: but I wouldn't really tell people it. It's just something
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  Speaker 2: that I do. But when I have a burger or
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  Speaker 2: I eat something round, I can't ever finish the end
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  Speaker 2: of it, which makes no sense because it's round.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
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  Speaker 2: Like so if I get to the end of the
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  Speaker 2: burger I have to leave the little end rim I
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  Speaker 2: can't eat it I don't know why I've never been
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  Speaker 2: able to eat it and a couple of like Byron's
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  Speaker 2: noticed me do it before and he's like why do
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  Speaker 2: you never finish the end and I'm like I just
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  Speaker 2: can't like there's something in me I just can't finish
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  Speaker 2: the end of the burger because it's round That is
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  Speaker 2: so weird.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's round, that makes no sense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's round. So it's like, why can't I?
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  Speaker 2: Because I could have started eating from that part. But
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  Speaker 2: that would probably be my beige flag. Like when I'm
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  Speaker 2: eating something round, I have to leave the little end
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't believe this when I heard it. Her co-host
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  Speaker 1: Saffron Barker also seemed a little taken back and confused
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  Speaker 1: by the whole thing. All I can think of is
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  Speaker 1: that I can't believe I haven't noticed her doing this
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  Speaker 1: because I have watched this girl... eat a lot of
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  Speaker 1: hamburgers because most of her content, she's sitting in a
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  Speaker 1: McDonald's drive-thru and she films herself eating hamburgers. How have
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  Speaker 1: we not picked up on this? I just loved how
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  Speaker 1: she said it as if it was the most normal
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  Speaker 1: thing ever. Like, oh yeah, actually my beige flag is
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  Speaker 1: that I do this. Yeah, it, Didn't really make any sense.
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  Speaker 1: And it reminds me of one of those things that
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  Speaker 1: you think of doing as a child and it makes
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  Speaker 1: complete sense to you and it drags on for too
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  Speaker 1: long and someone doesn't tell you that's weird. That being said,
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  Speaker 1: I have done this before. Okay. So when I was
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  Speaker 1: in Bali, if I hadn't been able to wash my
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  Speaker 1: hands and I was really worried about getting Bali belly.
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  Speaker 1: If I was eating, say, a hamburger, I wouldn't eat
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  Speaker 1: the end of it, which would touch my hand. So
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  Speaker 1: maybe this is where this is coming from. I never
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  Speaker 1: thought of it being a cleanliness thing. I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was like one of those things that you say to yourself, oh,
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  Speaker 1: something bad will happen if I do this or don't
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  Speaker 1: do this. Well, it seemed to me as if she
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  Speaker 1: had an issue with round things. That's what it came
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  Speaker 1: across as. I was thinking about it because, yes, this
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  Speaker 1: girl does eat a lot of hamburgers, but there are
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  Speaker 1: so many round food objects. So you've got pancakes or
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  Speaker 1: you've got round biscuits. Does she eat the end of
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  Speaker 1: those things or is it every round item she does
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  Speaker 1: not eat the end of? So many questions left unanswered.
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  Speaker 1: I have heard of people not eating the crust off
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  Speaker 1: your toast or a sandwich because they don't want to
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  Speaker 1: get curly hair. I wonder if she thinks that something
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  Speaker 1: like that's going to happen to her if she eats
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  Speaker 1: the last little bit of a round object. Was there
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  Speaker 1: anything weird that you do with your food that now
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  Speaker 1: you've retrospectively thought about? Not that I can think of.
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  Speaker 1: I know growing up, I used to like to eat
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  Speaker 1: a lot of ice, but apparently that's actually linked to
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  Speaker 1: iron deficiency. So it does make sense.
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  Speaker 3: Who knows? Maybe Catherine Asplund is going to be this
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  Speaker 3: like better version of Catherine Driscoll. Like could happen.
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  Speaker 1: A US influencer has been accused of trying to bully
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  Speaker 1: her namesake into handing over her Instagram handle. Catherine Asplund,
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  Speaker 1: formerly known as Driscoll, recently married a billionaire heir and
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  Speaker 1: wanted to make things Instagram official. However, there was one hitch.
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  Speaker 1: Someone already had the coveted Instagram handle. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if I'd be fighting for this last name. We had
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  Speaker 1: to Google how to pronounce it. And it is Arsplund.
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  Speaker 1: So the word arse does make up that last name. Now,
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  Speaker 1: if you haven't heard of her, she is a lifestyle
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  Speaker 1: influencer who has over 88,000 followers on TikTok and 15,000
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  Speaker 1: on Instagram. And on TikTok, she goes by the handle
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  Speaker 1: Lost Etiquette, while on Instagram, she is Catherine Drisked. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the 27-year-old recently married Cabot Asplund, who is the heir
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  Speaker 1: to the billion-dollar Asplund Tree Expert Co-Fortune. I would put
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  Speaker 1: money on it that this family is pretending their name
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  Speaker 1: isn't Asplund and pronounces it completely differently. It would be
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  Speaker 1: like Ashplund, like on Keeping Up With Appearances. Well, on
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  Speaker 1: Keeping Up With Appearances, her last name is Bucket, but
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  Speaker 1: she says it's Bouquet. You could be onto something. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the company is listed as the 109th largest private company
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  Speaker 1: in America with with a revenue of $ 5 billion in 2023.
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  Speaker 1: Who knew there was so much money in trimming trees?
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  Speaker 1: That is wild. Now, the couple got married at the
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  Speaker 1: end of April in Palm Beach in Florida, and Catherine
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  Speaker 1: shared a lot of wedding content, including a video of
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  Speaker 1: her dress that has amassed over 8.5 million views. So
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  Speaker 1: she is building quite a career for herself as a TikToker.
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  Speaker 1: And as a lot of brides do, Catherine was keen
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  Speaker 1: to make her new name Instagram official. But she quickly
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  Speaker 1: discovered that her desired Instagram handle of Catherine Asplund was
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  Speaker 1: already taken. So Catherine instantly messaged the owner of the
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  Speaker 1: account and asked if she could buy the handle from her.
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  Speaker 1: So she explained to the girl that she'd just gotten
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  Speaker 1: married and this was now her new name. Now, Catherine's namesake,
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  Speaker 1: who goes by Kate, replied congratulating the newlywed. But she
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  Speaker 1: politely declined the offer, saying that she thought it was
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  Speaker 1: against Instagram's terms and conditions and she didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: get banned from the platform. And also, why should she
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  Speaker 1: give up her Instagram handle just because some TikToker who's
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  Speaker 1: now married a billionaire is requesting her to do so?
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  Speaker 1: Out of pure spite, I'd probably be like, no, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: not changing it. Well, if I'd seen that she'd married
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  Speaker 1: a billionaire, I might have been a bit interested to
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  Speaker 1: know how much she was actually offering. Now, Catherine hit
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  Speaker 1: back at Kate saying it was untrue and she had
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  Speaker 1: previously purchased a username before so she wouldn't get banned.
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  Speaker 1: She explained that that's how celebrities manage to get their
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  Speaker 1: full names as their handles. She also added, so weird.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know there was another Asplund family out there.
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  Speaker 1: There's no Catherine Asplund in our family. I see that
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  Speaker 1: you're not that active on here but started Instagram in
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  Speaker 1: 2018 but changed your username three times. Is there any
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  Speaker 1: way I can get you to change your username one
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  Speaker 1: more time? Wow, that's very passive aggressive. Kate went on
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  Speaker 1: to explain that she used the account as a finster
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  Speaker 1: for private stories. She said she was sorry but couldn't
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  Speaker 1: agree as she didn't want to get banned. God, what
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  Speaker 1: an F you, though, because she's obviously admitted that this
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  Speaker 1: really isn't even her name. It doesn't mean that much
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  Speaker 1: to her. I mean, she could just make up a
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  Speaker 1: new finster. I think you're on to something, Amy. I
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  Speaker 1: reckon she's clocked that she's a billionaire and is trying
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  Speaker 1: to purposely make it difficult so she offers her some money.
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  Speaker 1: I think it more comes down to how Catherine Asplund
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  Speaker 1: asked for the name. It was kind of very rude
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  Speaker 1: and abrasive and I think this girl's gone, well, fuck you,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not handing it over. Yeah. It does become clear
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  Speaker 1: that Catherine isn't used to not getting her way because
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  Speaker 1: she did hit back writing, I actually don't believe that
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  Speaker 1: your name is Catherine Asplund. Who would make their finster
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  Speaker 1: their actual name? I reported you to Instagram and they're
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  Speaker 1: actually able to tell me your real name. I really
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  Speaker 1: hope I don't know you because that's going to be
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  Speaker 1: really embarrassing for you. So is Catherine assuming that this
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  Speaker 1: Kate has purposely secured the name just to piss her off?
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  Speaker 1: I think so. I mean, it's absolutely ridiculous. If you
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  Speaker 1: think of the names of your finsters, you pick out
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  Speaker 1: of the air the most bizarre name that you can
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  Speaker 1: think of. Obviously, this is the name that this girl
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  Speaker 1: has come up with. And unfortunately she shares the same
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  Speaker 1: name as this now heiress. Well, Catherine did go on
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  Speaker 1: to say that her fiance had also reported Kate's account
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  Speaker 1: and she then accused Kate of pretending to be someone
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  Speaker 1: she was not and demanded she prove that Catherine Asplund
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  Speaker 1: was her actual name. Now Kate responded writing, why do
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  Speaker 1: I have to send you any proof of who I am?
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  Speaker 1: This is my account. I've had it since 2018. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sorry we share the same name, but just because you
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  Speaker 1: got married Doesn't mean you can have my username. If
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  Speaker 1: you were nice, I would have considered giving it to
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  Speaker 1: you for free. But you weren't. I reported you for
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  Speaker 1: asking me to sell my account and another report for
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  Speaker 1: harassing me. Have a good day. I want to be
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  Speaker 1: friends with this girl with a finster. That is a
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  Speaker 1: legendary response. But even how she said I would have
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  Speaker 1: considered giving it to you for free, that makes me think, yes,
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  Speaker 1: she is after money. Now, since then, the conversation has
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  Speaker 1: found its way onto Reddit and has gone viral. And
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  Speaker 1: the backlash was very swift with Catherine labelled as a
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  Speaker 1: bully and entitled. It also prompted some shit stirrers to
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  Speaker 1: go and create every possible variation of Catherine's married and
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  Speaker 1: maiden name to ensure she can't use either of those.
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  Speaker 1: My God, people are petty. Yeah, I did see that
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  Speaker 1: online and some people were putting in their bio that
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  Speaker 1: they were entitled and selfish. Oh my. When I was
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  Speaker 1: considering changing my Instagram handle to my new married name,
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  Speaker 1: I did go and have a look and there were
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  Speaker 1: quite a number of Sophie Hancocks and I really was
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  Speaker 1: never actually going to do that. Yeah, but yours is
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  Speaker 1: confusing because your handle is Sophie underscore Torba, but when
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  Speaker 1: you click on it, then it says in your bio
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  Speaker 1: that your name is Sophie Hancock. It's quite confusing. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I just, I thought if people search
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  Speaker 1: for me, they can search Sophie Torba and it'll come up. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: it's not that important. I'm definitely not going to pay
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  Speaker 1: someone a large sum of money to get a Sophie
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  Speaker 1: Hancock handle. It shows you how important she thinks she is.
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  Speaker 1: Even the fact that she referenced, oh, this is how
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  Speaker 1: celebrities get their own handle. Hun, you're on TikTok and Instagram.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like you're JLo. Yeah. I mean, but she's
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  Speaker 1: also already has the Instagram handle on TikTok, Lost Etiquette.
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  Speaker 1: Why doesn't she just stick to that? That wasn't her
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  Speaker 1: name anyway. Well, probably because she's an heiress now, thinks
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  Speaker 1: that she's important. I do love how the internet always
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  Speaker 1: provides receipts. Following the scandal, super sleuths dug up and
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  Speaker 1: now deleted TikTok of Catherine's where she spoke about how
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  Speaker 1: sad she was about giving up her last name. She
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  Speaker 1: even said she wanted to hold a funeral for her
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  Speaker 1: maiden name. And the video was quite difficult to watch.
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  Speaker 1: To give you the vibe, at one point she said
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  Speaker 1: this about her maiden name.
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  Speaker 3: I also feel blessed by the fact that I was
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  Speaker 3: given an incredible last name, Driscoll. It's amazing. It's great.
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  Speaker 3: Like my whole life, people were like, wow, you have
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  Speaker 3: my favorite last name ever. Well, what about now?
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  Speaker 1: She also spoke in a derogatory way about those who
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  Speaker 1: choose to hyphenate their last name saying this.
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  Speaker 3: Trust me, I would never be that bitch to hyphenate
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  Speaker 3: my name. I kind of hate that shit. When I
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  Speaker 3: see women with hyphenated last names, it looks like they're
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  Speaker 3: already divorced and like they're not.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I take offense to this with my husband's name
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  Speaker 1: already being hyphenated. Yeah. Now, ironically, Catherine then went on
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  Speaker 1: to mock women who were quick to update their names
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  Speaker 1: on social media after they got married. This is what
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  Speaker 1: she said.
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  Speaker 3: Something else that low-key bothers me is when girls get
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  Speaker 3: married and it's not even like 10 minutes after they
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  Speaker 3: do their vows. Like, They're like, oh, go on my Instagram.
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  Speaker 1: Let me change my last name already.
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  Speaker 3: I'm probably going to wait a couple of months. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. I just think it's like a little bit
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  Speaker 3: a lot when I see girls change it. Like before
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  Speaker 3: I even knew they were fucking married, like chill.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. So she's got an issue with people changing their
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  Speaker 1: names immediately, but not people who hound others for the
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  Speaker 1: Instagram handle. Yeah. I mean, she really wasn't very chill
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  Speaker 1: about the situation. Now, as if Catherine's new billionaire in-laws
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  Speaker 1: didn't have enough secondhand embarrassment from this scandal unfolding publicly,
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  Speaker 1: but they were also then dragged into the drama. So
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  Speaker 1: thanks to all of the attention Catherine created on the family,
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  Speaker 1: someone has dug up an undocumented worker exploitation lawsuit involving
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  Speaker 1: Asplund tree experts. So it just so happens that in 2017,
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  Speaker 1: Catherine's in-laws' family business pled guilty to employing workers they
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  Speaker 1: knew were using false identification papers. The family was fined
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  Speaker 1: $ 95 million, the largest payment ever imposed in an immigration case. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm assuming she probably wants to steer clear of
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  Speaker 1: this last name now. Yes. I don't think that the
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  Speaker 1: Asplund family would be that keen for her to be
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  Speaker 1: taking it on and getting even more attention towards their business.
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  Speaker 1: Catherine did end up deactivating her Instagram account because of
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  Speaker 1: the scandal, but It is now back on the platform.
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  Speaker 1: She is yet to post anything though. Yeah, she has
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  Speaker 1: been posting TikToks as normal though. And it appears that
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  Speaker 1: her attempts to get that Asplund last name have failed
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  Speaker 1: because she is still going by her maiden name on Instagram.
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  Speaker 4: When I saw people talking about how they thought it
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  Speaker 4: was crazy how I booked my sister a Ryanair flight.
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  Speaker 4: to take her on her hen do. They're like, I
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  Speaker 4: can't believe that Molly booked a Ryanair flight for her
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  Speaker 4: and her sister's friends.
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  Speaker 1: Molly May Haig has hit back at critics who slammed
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  Speaker 1: her for booking a Ryanair flight for her sister Zoe's
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  Speaker 1: hen's weekend. The budget airline was in stark contrast to
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  Speaker 1: the private jet she organised a month prior for her
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  Speaker 1: friend's birthday in the snow. Now, so if Molly addressed
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  Speaker 1: the controversy in her latest YouTube video, it is clear
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  Speaker 1: that this controversy has affected Molly and she feels compelled
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  Speaker 1: to share her side of the story. So she started
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  Speaker 1: by addressing the private jet that she booked for her
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  Speaker 1: friend Taylor's birthday, explaining the cost of the jet was
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  Speaker 1: split between the group and wasn't just funded by her. Now,
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  Speaker 1: following that trip, Molly was slammed for flaunting her wealth
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  Speaker 1: and accused of not caring about her carbon footprint. Clearly,
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  Speaker 1: she thought, if I fly a commercial for my sister's
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  Speaker 1: hen's weekend, people are going to get off my back.
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  Speaker 1: But no, her flight with Ryanair fueled even more criticism
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  Speaker 1: and hate. Molly said she was made to feel like
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  Speaker 1: the worst sister and questioned what transport the general public
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  Speaker 1: would like her to take. Molly finished up by saying,
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  Speaker 1: you can never win it no matter what. And whatever
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  Speaker 1: she does, people will comment on it. I liked that
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  Speaker 1: Molly came out and actually addressed this drama going on.
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  Speaker 1: And she did it so well because in her vlog
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  Speaker 1: she was saying, I don't normally even respond to this
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  Speaker 1: stuff because there's so much that gets written about her.
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  Speaker 1: But I think she took it more personally because it
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  Speaker 1: involved her sister. Yeah, I think a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: criticism about this hen's party stems from people building a
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  Speaker 1: narrative that Molly's sister Zoe is somehow living in her
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  Speaker 1: shadows and that Molly must treat her badly because she's
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  Speaker 1: not as wealthy and famous as her. So last year,
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: Zoe left her job in the army to follow in
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  Speaker 1: Molly's footsteps and become an influencer. And she has earned
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  Speaker 1: herself a name as being the everyday Molly Mae. So
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  Speaker 1: she's more relatable financially and also with day-to-day things. I
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  Speaker 1: actually don't think that Zoe is living in Molly's shadows
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  Speaker 1: at all. If anything, her YouTube channel and following is
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  Speaker 1: gaining huge momentum that she is nipping on Molly's toes. Well...
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  Speaker 1: You're right, because even after her hen's weekend, I noticed
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  Speaker 1: her Instagram followers shot up. I think she's nearly got
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  Speaker 1: close to 400,000 followers. I mean, it's kind of like
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: the Kardashian situation, isn't it? Where Kim claims that she's
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  Speaker 1: the one who's given her sisters the careers. Obviously, people
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  Speaker 1: became interested in Zoe because of the connection to Molly.
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  Speaker 1: But as you said, she is relatable. She does share
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  Speaker 1: very different content. She's more of a fitness influencer. than
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  Speaker 1: I'd say a lifestyle influencer. But I think that Molly
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  Speaker 1: is also so happy for her. The two bounce off
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  Speaker 1: each other. I don't like how they're having to create
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  Speaker 1: this competition between the two sisters. I also think it's
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  Speaker 1: quite interesting to analyze the behavior of Zoe's followers because
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: they seem very protective over Zoe. And I think that
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: Molly is not only stooging her on flights, but they
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  Speaker 1: also think that she purposely excluded Zoe from the hens
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  Speaker 1: vlog that Molly created. So Zoe was only in a
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  Speaker 1: few scenes of the YouTube video and most of it
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  Speaker 1: was made up of Molly talking back in her room
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  Speaker 1: with her friend. Here's what Zoe said about those accusations.
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  Speaker 4: So many questions about the Ryanair flight. What's your opinion
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  Speaker 4: on the heat that Molly got over the Ryanair flight?
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  Speaker 4: I don't need to say anything. I'm sure you guys
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  Speaker 4: know me well enough now to know what I think
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  Speaker 4: about that. Poor girl can't do right from wrong. She
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: really can't. And I think it's quite sad. I just
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: had to turn the comments off on that video as
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: well for other reasons, which is, again, just absolutely ridiculous.
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: Because I wasn't in the video enough. I wasn't in
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: the video enough. And to be honest, I'm really glad
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: I wasn't in it more because anything she showed me,
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: any way of me in it, I was tipsy and
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: it was making me cringe. I never asked for it
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: to be like a keepsake video. It was just fun
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: to look back on. And I've loved watching that video.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: I'll stop there now. Yeah, peace and love over here.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: Peace and love only. No hate. I love my sister.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: She loves me.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: I watched this vlog and I did notice that Zoe
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: wasn't in it as much as I thought she was
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: going to be. But that's because Molly had a lot
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: of other things going on. She is the maid of honor.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: She's organizing everything for the hen's party. Also, who wants
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: to be captured on their drunk off their face? And
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: with most vloggers, they don't actually capture the activities that
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: go on because they don't want to take their camera out.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: They mainly film what has gone down back in the
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: room or explain what's happened. Yeah. And she wasn't sharing
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: a room with Zoe either. So that meant obviously there
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: was going to be content that Molly filmed in a
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: room with her friend because she's been slammed for featuring
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: too much of a friend and not enough of Zoe.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Also Zoe made the decision that she didn't want to
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: vlog the trip because she wanted to just enjoy it.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: She didn't really want to be working. So, I mean,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: as she said, Molly wasn't capturing a keepsake video. It
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: was just something fun to have a look back on. Now,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: in a Q & A about her hens, Zoe addressed
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: who paid for what, explaining that Molly was incredibly generous
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: and covered all of the costs except for those Ryanair flights.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: So Molly paid for the very expensive accommodation. the activities,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: food and everyone's drinks. And they went out to some
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: pretty expensive dinners. So this bill would have been really high.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I do love that Molly has copped so much crap
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: about the Ryanair flights and that's the only thing that
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: she actually didn't contribute to other than her own flight.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: So no wonder they went Ryanair. Yeah, even though it
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: was a budget airline, the flights were very expensive. So
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: it was about £ 700 return each person. Do you think
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: that's a lot to expect people to pay? I don't
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: think it's that much considering they then had all of
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: their accommodation, their drinks and all their food paid for.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I'd be willing to pay £ 700 to go on that
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: hen's weekend. Yeah, well, Zoe felt the same way. This
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: is what she said about it.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: All in all, I think it cost about £ 700, which
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: for some people for a hen do might be quite,
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: it is quite a lot. I know it is quite
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: a lot, but they were all saying, my friends were
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: saying like for the experience that we're going to get... And,
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: you know, for the villa that we're staying in, the
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: food that we're getting, the drinks that we're getting. Bearing
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: in mind this obviously was including food, drinks, flights, like everything.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: They were really more than happy to spend that amount
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: of money. And I did check with everyone before we
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: booked anything, before we booked everything, that this was going
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: to be okay for everyone.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: And it was.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're really paying for the experience. And some of
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Zoe's friends actually gave Zoe money to hand on to
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Molly because I think they felt a bit guilty at
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: how expensive everything was. I actually think we're going to
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: see a sponsorship deal with Zoe and Ryanair pop up
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: because in this Q & A, Zoe was very complimentary
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: of the airline and she said it was actually a
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: highlight of her trip. Flying Ryanair. Yeah, she said that
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: they were popping mini bottles of Prosecco on the flight
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: and it was the first place that her and her
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: friends started mingling and all getting to know each other.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I think that Zoe would be the perfect brand ambassador
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: for Ryanair because as we said, she is the everyday
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Molly Mae. They could get a huge, like a really
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: fun campaign around it. I just don't understand the people
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: that follow Zoe though, in terms of their mindset to
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: then hate on her sister. Yeah. It's very unusual because
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I like following both of them because I found Zoe
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: through Molly, who I really enjoy watching.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: I'm getting married tomorrow and I'm here in my room
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: doing my self-care.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Anna McAvoy's social media strategy is under the spotlight with
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: fans complaining she's drawn out her wedding content. The former
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Love Island contestant got married to her new husband, Michael Staples,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: in Corfu last week. But it took five days until
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: we got a glimpse of her first dress. This was
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: a very hot topic in our Facebook community with one
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: listener saying, I really like her, but this has annoyed me.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: So much buildup, but it's almost been anticlimactic. Now, this
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: is because as you touched on, Amy, Anna did five
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: wedding related posts. before we even got a glimpse of
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: the dress. So what were the other posts? Well, it's
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: clear that she had some sort of sponsorship agreement going
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: on with a wedding robe brand called Homebody because there
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: were three reels of her in the robes, either getting
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: ready with her friends or sitting there enjoying her wedding breakfast.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: There was also a flat lay photo of her shoes
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: and accessories and some of the small reception details. And
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I just want to be clear, That's the photo that
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: no one gives a fuck about. So I feel like
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: when you're sharing your flat lay of your flowers in
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: the morning or your shoes, that is the post that
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: usually bombs. But I'm guessing maybe her shoes were sponsored
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: and there were a few things going on that she
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: was trying to create, generate some sort of excitement ahead
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: of the main post. Well, that's exactly what she was doing. Now,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: the last video seemed to be the last straw for
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: people because it was a video of Anna and Michael
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: dancing around in casual clothes with the caption, the next
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: post you see will be our wedding pictures. Now, I
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: was hanging out to see these photos, but I was
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: getting slightly irritated because I felt like saying, I'm sorry,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: this isn't a royal wedding. Please stop gatekeeping your wedding
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: photos from us because we're interested now. I'm probably not interested.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: In a week.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Because all people want to see is the dress. And
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: then as soon as we see the dress, our attention
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: levels bomb. We don't care anymore. I can't see one
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: more wedding photo after that. Well, the wedding photos looked amazing.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Like they both looked incredible in the pictures. But I
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: know what you mean. There can be the point where
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: it gets, there's too much waiting that's gone on. Like
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: your interest levels do drop. Yeah, well, it took five
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: days for her to release the first photo. And it
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: was a very stunning photo of her and Michael walking
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: kissing as their bridal party threw rose petals over them.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: And Anna wore a custom-made gown by a Melbourne designer
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: and it had a square neck and a huge skirt.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: It looked very princessy. She had her hair back and
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: she looked very elegant and gorgeous. But as you say, Amy,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: because it had been so hyped, I was a little
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: bit disappointed. I was like, oh, is that it? Well,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: she has shared seven other wedding photos since. And one
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: of them was hinting that she was going to reveal
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: her second wedding dress, which turned out to be a
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: lace number from the same designer. It was absolutely gorgeous.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: And Michael was also in a different coloured suit, which
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: seemed even more over the top. This wedding, it was
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: very extra. This wedding must have cost them a fortune.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I know there were a number of sponsored elements, but
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: not only did they have this extravagant wedding in Greece,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: but they also had a friend moon. They're now going
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: on a huge honeymoon. How would you feel as a guest?
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Because Anna made it quite clear that she didn't want
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: any of her guests to share photos of her in
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: a dress before she had the chance to, or any
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: photos that revealed any of the wedding reception details or
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: the ceremony. Would you be a little bit frustrated? I
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: can understand that. I wouldn't want someone sharing a photo
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: of me before I was able to share the professional
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: photographs as well. And I even think I get funny
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: about people sharing photos of themselves at the wedding too,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: because sometimes it can give away a little detail, like
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: what color the flowers were. When it's in this sort
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: of case where it's someone who's high profile. Well, if
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: it was someone like Tammy Hembrough and she started sharing
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of videos and stuff, I could understand maybe
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: there'd be a bit of annoyance there because she's got
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: such a big platform. Can I put it out there?
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: We actually also didn't say that Tammy Hembrough overshadowed Anna
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: McAvoy's wedding. Because I've seen all these articles in the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Daily Mail coming out like, I've spoken in a podcast,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: said this. And it's like, no, we were bringing up
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: that some people had said that. Yes. And personally, we
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: were just discussing that it was a bit unusual to
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: share a group photo where there's two couples kissing. Like
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: we were teetering on the edge whether she was overshadowing
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: or not. Just want to put that out there. I mean,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: and even since that discussion, I think Tammy has gone
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: out of her way to allow Anna to have that
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: spotlight on her. So I think her etiquette since then
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: has been very good. I think where some frustration is
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: coming at the moment is because there has been such
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: an oversaturation of wedding content where it seems a bit overkill.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: But if anything, I almost feel bad for Anna because
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I recently got my wedding photos back and I've got
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: them all in little folders. I literally put so many
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: photos over Facebook because I know that on Facebook, it's dead.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: No one really cares. There's no rules on Facebook. There's
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: no rules. No one cares. But now on Instagram, I've
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: got like, I want to share something of my reception
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: and then I want to share something of my ceremony.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: But I get that no one else gives a fuck,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: but I kind of just want it there for my
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: own personal thing as a memory. So apologies if anyone
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: follows me and is sick of seeing it. Well, that's
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: the reality. You've hit the nail on the head that
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: after the event, no one really cares anymore. Everyone wants
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: to know what's next. What are you doing next? Yeah.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: And everyone's kind of seen the main photos. And the
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: reality is that nobody actually cares as much about your
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: wedding as you do or did. And they all start
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: looking the same. Like to you, you're like, oh wow,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: this is different angle. This is different lighting. But to
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: everyone else, like, Same white dress, boring, don't want to
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: see anymore. Well, Anna's strategy seems to have worked because
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: in the last 30 days, she has gained over 2,500 followers.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I wonder also how many she's gained on TikTok because
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of her content isn't working as
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: well on Instagram, but it's very much for a wed
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: talk crowd. I know before I got married, I was
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: constantly on wed talk trying to find ideas and it
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: is a really great way that you can grow your
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: own following.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: I go on television.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, television.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: I always thought I'd be rather good at that. See
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: you later, darling.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, darling. You'll be all right.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Piece of cake. Television, huh? Hello, I'm Patsy Stone. Let's
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: get into our highs and lows of the week. And
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I do want to touch on the fact that Kate
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: isn't here. Don't worry, anyone. She hasn't gone into labour
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: or anything, but she is almost 37 weeks pregnant. So
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: we thought that she needed to have a little bit
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: of a rest. She did actually contribute to the notes.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I can hear her yelling that some of these were
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: her topics.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: She's been working her guts out and she's 37 weeks
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: pregnant and she just recently had one of her latest
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: scans and we said, look, you need to relax. Yes,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: you need to remember that you're pregnant. So maybe he
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: will send Kate some well wishes because she's trying to
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: chill out at home, but she's been a bit of
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: a workaholic. Now getting into my high of the week,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: It has to be the approaching birth of our nephew.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: And I have been blown away by some of the
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: clothes that Target and Big W have, the baby clothes.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: They are so cute, so affordable. They've got like your
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: favourite characters on there like Spot or Pooh Bear or
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Peter Rabbit. Like the cutest stuff. It's made me very
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: excited and it's made it feel a whole lot more
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: real because My low of the week though is also
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: related to my new nephew who's coming in a few weeks.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: And it is that I had to have the whooping
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: cough vaccine done. And I also stupidly got my flu
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: vaccine done at the same time. And I was completely
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: wiped out for 36 hours. I couldn't get out of bed.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I was exhausted. I was shivering. I felt like I
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: was going to faint and vomit. But you know what?
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: It's worth it to protect the ones in society. Well,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, don't let that stop anyone
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: from getting either of those vaccines if you need them. No,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: it's very important to get. Maybe just don't get them
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: in the same day because, I mean, I didn't have
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: those as such adverse effects, but Dale also got it.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Brandon's got his recently and you do get very tired
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: from having both of them, but it's so worthwhile. So
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: important to get, but yes, avoid getting it on the
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: same day. So my high of the week has been
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: getting my new skincare from Trini London. So- I've been
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: wanting to try out Trini Woodall's skincare products for a
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: while now. On week one, loving it so far. I
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: have to keep everyone updated. So far, so good. Well,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: the best thing about her products is that on the back,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: she outlines how often you should be using them. And
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: that's an issue that I've had with other products before
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: is that when there's active ingredients, you have to be
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: so careful and targeted as to when you use them.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: So hers will outline, use this Once a day or
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: use this once a week.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: So it's really clear. And the packaging is so nice.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Like when I opened it, it's so sad. I was like,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: this is really sad that I'm so excited. But I
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: got her, it's like this cleanser that came in a
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: yellow bottle. And it's so cool because you then only
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: buy sort of the recharge bottles. Yeah, the inserts. So
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: it's cheaper when you, like next time I buy one
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: of the bottles. Well, also better for the environment Yeah.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: My low is that I'm really disappointed in myself because
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I've been meaning to find some songs for my wedding videographer.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: So he contacted me this week saying your wedding video
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: is going to be done in the next week or two.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: But can you please send through some music that you like?
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: And I think it's because I am a fellow videographer.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: He's realized I'm probably a bit of a control freak.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: But it is so hard to actually pick music. Like
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: I find it hard enough to pick music for client stuff.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: But when it's something as important as your wedding video,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: there's this extra level of stress. Well, it's especially hard
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: because it has to be royalty free music. So it's
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: not like you can say, oh, this is my favorite song.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Let's chuck that over the top of it. Well, I'm
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: currently looking for seven different songs I like. Seven? How
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: long is this video going for? Well, you don't just
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: use one song. You have like, you know, the atmospheric music.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: You have others, you know, the pump up song. I
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: think he should just pick them, send them to you
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: and you give the tick of approval. I actually do
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: like that he's asked me, but I'm a little bit
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: disappointed now after our discussion on Anna because I've realized
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: that probably no one's going to care. Look, it's only
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: you and the family that care. I reckon we'll do
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: a screening night though. Yeah, definitely. When we get the videos. Well,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for. Thank you
• 30:44
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• 30:47
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• 30:54
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• 31:01
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• 31:14
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• 31:19
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• 31:21
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• 31:24
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• 31:27
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• 31:31
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