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Credlin | 19 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peedo Krandler live on Skyins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: Here's what's coming up Tonight On Kredline, the Coalition strikes
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Speaker 3: a ill to pass the CFMU legislation after extracting key
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Speaker 3: concessions from Labor. Tagia Plevercet counsels a billion dollar gold
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Speaker 3: mine overclaims by an Aboriginal group that the Minister now
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Speaker 3: refuses to make public. Plus an update on a huge
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Speaker 3: story last week that I know concerned you shortages to
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Speaker 3: ivy fluid in our hospitals across the country. Why labors
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Speaker 3: are given that there's a global shortage of IV fluid
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Speaker 3: is slowly falling apart Medico's demanding answers more Tonight II
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Speaker 3: on the New Such bars liberals as Peter Dutton keeps
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Speaker 3: a federal takeover on the table and the eternal blame
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Speaker 3: game intensifies, and as Labor falls further behind in a
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Speaker 3: new poll out today, the government goes on the attack
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Speaker 3: against Peter Dutton personally.
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Speaker 4: There's no moment which is too big for him to
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Speaker 4: show just how small he is.
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Speaker 5: What might seem like a great way for some people
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Speaker 5: to get a headline, none of US should underestimate the
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Speaker 5: harm it does not just to those individuals, the mist
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Speaker 5: of the fabric.
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Speaker 6: Of the nation, the most divisive opposition leader that we
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Speaker 6: have seen, and that should disqualify him from the prime
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Speaker 6: ministership of a great country like ours.
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Speaker 3: But first, the more we learn about the Albanezy government's
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Speaker 3: process for bringing people from Gaza into Australia, the more sneaky,
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Speaker 3: the more bizarre it all becomes. Since October seven, when
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Speaker 3: Harmas operatives left Gaza to butcher twelve hundred Israelis and
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Speaker 3: take another two hundred hostage. Let's consider how many people
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Speaker 3: from Gaza that other countries have taken. In the United
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Speaker 3: States States or that's less than twenty and due to
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Speaker 3: security concerns they're not planning to take anymore. In France
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Speaker 3: it's less than three hundred, all of them either French nationals,
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Speaker 3: French permanent residents or workers for French companies in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: After that no more either. In Britain it's zero.
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Speaker 3: Egypt, Gaza's Muslim neighbor zero two, Jordan, the neighbor to
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Speaker 3: the Palestinian authority, or that's zero as well. In Saudi Arabia,
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Speaker 3: another near Muslim neighbor zero again, and these countries have
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Speaker 3: admitted zero or next to no people from Gaza because
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Speaker 3: they don't warn to take the risk of admitting terrorist
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Speaker 3: or terrorist sympathizers from a place where most people thought
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Speaker 3: that October seven was entirely justified. But that's not been
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Speaker 3: our approach here in Australia, without any ability to interview
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Speaker 3: prospective permanent residents, without any automatic security screening, without any
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Speaker 3: biometric testing to ensure people are who they say they are.
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Speaker 3: So far we've let in around thirteen hundred and issued
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Speaker 3: visas for another fifteen hundred or more. Now, there's never
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Speaker 3: been any real announcement made by this government that the
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Speaker 3: Gaza humanitarian issues require that three thousand be given temporary
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Speaker 3: refuge in Australia. And all that begs a question, doesn't it.
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Speaker 3: If the government was so sure that it was doing
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Speaker 3: the right thing, why did it start this process in secret?
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Speaker 3: Why did it not make a formal announcement that it
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Speaker 3: was providing a safe haven to people from a war zone. Now,
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Speaker 3: the Howard government did this when it took people on
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Speaker 3: temporary safe haven visas, the Kosovars from former Yugoslavia, as
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Speaker 3: did the Avid government when it took in persecuted minority
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Speaker 3: from the Syrian war zone. Instead, we only found out
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Speaker 3: that we were taking people from Gaza because the words
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Speaker 3: seeped out from local Muslim legatis and Penny Wong was
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Speaker 3: forced to answer questions about all of this last November.
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Speaker 7: Well, I'll just make a few points about that. Over
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Speaker 7: the same period, I think between the seventh of October
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Speaker 7: and a couple of days ago, we had seventeen hundred,
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Speaker 7: one thousand, seven one hundred and ninety three visas issued
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Speaker 7: to Israeli citizens. So obviously there is a lot of demand.
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Speaker 7: I would again say this, people who obtain visas to
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Speaker 7: Australia are subject to appropriate security checks.
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Speaker 3: Now defensive, isn't she now thing to see here, said
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Speaker 3: the Foreign Minister, as everyone had quote appropriate security checks.
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Speaker 3: And besides, she says even more visas were issued to Israelis,
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Speaker 3: as if there's some sort of equivalence between visitor visas
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Speaker 3: given to citizens of a fellow liberal democracy. We know
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Speaker 3: who they are when they say they are X or Y.
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Speaker 3: We have an embassy in Israel to check them. And
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Speaker 3: the visit of ease is given to people from a
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Speaker 3: terrorist controlled war zone where we don't.
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Speaker 2: Really know who they are. We just have to take
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Speaker 2: their word for it.
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Speaker 3: Now on the weekend, Labor heavies from the Prime Minister down.
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Speaker 3: We're accusing the opposition leader of being a threat to
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Speaker 3: the nation.
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Speaker 8: Peta.
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Speaker 4: Dutton plays politics at every opportunity. What he does is
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Speaker 4: trying whip up fear.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 4: I think Peter Dutton is deeply divisive and that well
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Speaker 4: that creates the risks to the nation.
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Speaker 9: I was astounded.
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Speaker 3: And today, in a bizarre response to Peter Dutton's perfectly
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Speaker 3: reasonable bid to learn the criteria the government is using
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Speaker 3: to admit Gazans, the Minister Tony Burke accused Dutton of
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Speaker 3: endangering national security. Again a very very defensive response from
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Speaker 3: Labor like it.
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Speaker 5: Wasn't much more than the six second delay on radio
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Speaker 5: between Mike Burgess as a Director General of ASIO telling
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Speaker 5: people to cool the temperature before this guy runs along
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Speaker 5: with a bucket of kerosene saying where can I throw
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Speaker 5: it on the fire. But if he's willing to sacrifice
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Speaker 5: the national security interests of Australia to try to get
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Speaker 5: a grab up in social media, now, then that's his motive.
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Speaker 5: It's not the government's motive. That's his motive. It's not
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Speaker 5: my motive. You won't find me saying that if we're
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Speaker 5: conducting a national security assessment on someone, we ort to
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Speaker 5: do it publicly.
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Speaker 2: Now here's the chip.
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Speaker 3: My years of experience tell me the more they raise
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Speaker 3: their voice in the chamber, the more they know they're
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Speaker 3: losing the argument. Who do you think is really threatening
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Speaker 3: austral To his future? The guy who says that we
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Speaker 3: should not admit people from a wall zone run by
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Speaker 3: a terrorist group without properly security checking them first, or
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister who's been sneaky people in from a
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Speaker 3: terrorist state for months and months and months on tourist visas.
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Speaker 3: Over the weekend, industry Minister Ed Husick described Israel's just
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Speaker 3: war against him US as quote, one of the worst
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Speaker 3: humanitarian crises we've ever seen.
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Speaker 2: And he admitted this.
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Speaker 9: Why visit of visas though, because they're faster to process.
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Speaker 3: Now that was a real slip from Husick. I bet
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Speaker 3: he didn't even realize he'd let the cat out of
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Speaker 3: a bag, Because the truth is visitor visas are faster
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Speaker 3: to process because visitor visas involve far fewer security checks.
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Speaker 9: Ref G visas take longer and given what's happening right
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Speaker 9: now and the dangers presented, the view was to try
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Speaker 9: and get people out as quickly as you can.
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Speaker 3: In other words, more important to bring foreigners here because
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Speaker 3: of a threat to them that it is to ensure
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Speaker 3: that those foreigners are not a threat to us. Now,
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Speaker 3: this is developing into a real crisis for the Albanese government,
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Speaker 3: and they're trying to mask it all by being increasingly
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Speaker 3: hysterical about the opposition leader. A government that puts appeasing
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Speaker 3: Muslim voters in Western Sydney ahead of keeping the country
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Speaker 3: safe doesn't deserve to stay in office. It's hardly surprise
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Speaker 3: that today's Freshwater Strategy poll has the Coalition again leading
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Speaker 3: the government in two party preferred terms. This is the
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Speaker 3: second month running and on issues of national security, twice
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Speaker 3: as many Australians trust Dutton over the week and getting
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Speaker 3: weaker Albanesi. And while the government's putting our national security
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Speaker 3: at risk by admitting largely unvetted people from a terrorist
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Speaker 3: war zone, it's also putting our economic security risk by
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Speaker 3: making it all but i possible to develop the new
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Speaker 3: mines on which our prosperity depends. The resources sector now
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Speaker 3: increasingly at risk from green law fare was worth four
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Speaker 3: hundred billion dollars last year in exports. But despite our
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Speaker 3: dependence on resource development for our economic security, environment Minister
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Speaker 3: Tania Plevacyk is just skibosh to one billion dollar gold
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Speaker 3: mine near Blainey in central western New South Wales on
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Speaker 3: the basis of some information from local Aboriginal people she
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Speaker 3: now says she's not able to reveal. Under Section ten
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Speaker 3: of the Commonwealth Aboriginal Heritage Protection Act, originally passed under
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Speaker 3: the Hawk government, the Minister can make declarations protecting land
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Speaker 3: that's quote of particular significance in accordance with Aboriginal tradition.
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Speaker 3: The Minister claims that the headwaters of the bell Ubaya River,
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Speaker 3: near where the Mind proponents wanted the Tailings Dam, of
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Speaker 3: particular significance to the Warajuri people in accordance with their tradition.
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Speaker 3: The Minister claims, and I quote that some of these
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Speaker 3: traditions have been disclosed to me privately and must remain
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Speaker 3: confidential due to their cultural sensitivity. So a one billion
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Speaker 3: dollar project where the proponent claims to already have invested
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Speaker 3: three hundred and forty million can effectively be blocked on
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Speaker 3: the basis of secret knowledge about initiation rituals that are
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Speaker 3: supposed once to have taken place in the area, even
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Speaker 3: though the Federal Environment Department and the New South Wales
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Speaker 3: Environment Department had already given their approval for this to
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Speaker 3: go ahead, and the main Aboriginal group too in the area.
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Speaker 3: They said, and I quote, the proposed development would not
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Speaker 3: impact any known sites or artifacts of high significance. So
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Speaker 3: if the main Aboriginal group in the local area support
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Speaker 3: this mine and all the jobs at will cre and
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Speaker 3: just who is this indigenous group that don't support it
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Speaker 3: and exactly what are their objections? Now Australians have a
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Speaker 3: right to know because we can't let our economic future
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Speaker 3: be held hostage. Right, Let's go to Camber now for
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Speaker 3: the headlines. Skyne Is reporter cam Reddin.
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Speaker 10: Good evening, Parliament has picked up where it left off,
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Speaker 10: sparring over the handling of Palestinians leaving Gaza.
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Speaker 8: This Prime Minister has lost his integrity, he's lost his credibility,
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Speaker 8: he has let down the Australian public. He has made
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Speaker 8: us less safe.
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Speaker 4: We take the same advice from the same security agencies,
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Speaker 4: even the same security personnel as the previous government.
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Speaker 10: The Opposition leader claims the Prime Minister misled Parliament by
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Speaker 10: selectively quoting from the AZO Director General about the visa
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Speaker 10: vetting process.
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Speaker 8: Isn't this why Australians are disappointed in the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 8: We're now saying that he's incompetent and dishonest.
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Speaker 4: There's no moment which is too big for him to
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Speaker 4: show just how small he is.
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Speaker 10: After labeling the Coalition's proposed ban on new arrivals from
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Speaker 10: Gaza racist, Independence Zali Stegel has now accused Peter Dutton
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Speaker 10: of bullying his political opponents.
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Speaker 3: We see policies that are inherently racist and they're designed
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Speaker 3: to foster fear and hatred of a minority group.
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Speaker 11: Calling Peter Dutton racis for what making a suggestion about
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Speaker 11: our national security.
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Speaker 10: A deal at last between Labor and the Coalition on
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Speaker 10: a bill to clean up the CFMAU the time for
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Speaker 10: corruption criminality in Australia's construction union and the industry is
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Speaker 10: coming to an end. It allows the governments to put
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Speaker 10: the union into administration for a minimum of three years
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Speaker 10: and a maximum of five. While not explicit in the bill,
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Speaker 10: there'll be no political expenditure from the CFMU while it
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Speaker 10: is in administration and until it's given a clip Bill
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Speaker 10: of Health, the government will not accept any donations from
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Speaker 10: the Union and we are.
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Speaker 3: Now in a position to provide passage of that bill.
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Speaker 2: All right, you can see there. It's another sitting week.
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Speaker 3: So it's the second of the two weeks we have
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Speaker 3: in August, and the first one started just as fiery
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Speaker 3: as the last one ended. To discuss the detail. Now
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Speaker 3: I'm joined by National editor of The Australian, Dennis Shanahan.
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Speaker 2: Well I made the point we sort of.
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Speaker 3: Ended up today where we ended up where we left
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Speaker 3: on Thursday. We had t MP Zali Stegel hurling that
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Speaker 3: racist slur across the Parliament with Peter Dutton. Today she's
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Speaker 3: doubled down on that accusation Labour two Dennis refusing to
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Speaker 3: reject her cheap shot. They're instead using the chamber today
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Speaker 3: to ramp up the rectorc here's the Immigration Minister Tony
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Speaker 3: Burke once again.
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Speaker 5: And you only have to look at the time delay,
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Speaker 5: like it wasn't much more than the six second delay
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Speaker 5: on radio between Mike Burgess as a Director General of
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Speaker 5: ASIO telling people to cool the temperature before this guy
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Speaker 5: runs along with a bucket of kerosine, saying where can
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Speaker 5: I throw it on the fire. But if he's willing
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Speaker 5: to sacrifice the national security interests of Australia to try
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Speaker 5: to get a grab up in social media, now, then
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Speaker 5: that's his motive. It's not the government's motive. That's his motive,
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Speaker 5: it's not my motive.
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Speaker 2: Now, I'm not surprised by a Stego.
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Speaker 3: I think she lacks intellect and finesse, but she's a
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Speaker 3: big player in all of this dinners labor.
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Speaker 2: That's another story. I would have thought out of the voice,
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Speaker 2: they would have learned to lesson when they accused Peter
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Speaker 2: Dutton of racism, echoing as he does, legitimate community concern.
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Speaker 2: Here they lose people.
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Speaker 3: But they've gone at it again and we can see
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Speaker 3: today in that Freshwater Pole in the Australian Financial Review.
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Speaker 3: The voters are punishing the government on the issue of
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Speaker 3: immigration and national security, aren't.
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Speaker 11: They They are indeed, And what I like about the
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Speaker 11: Freshwater pol is it has these issues each time, so
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Speaker 11: it's not just a time off. There's a complete line
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Speaker 11: on what people regard as the most important issues and
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Speaker 11: how they rate the government handling them. What is interesting
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Speaker 11: in the Freshwater Pole apart from a two party preferred
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Speaker 11: preference for the coalition second time in a row. But
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Speaker 11: it's the issues and the issues of immigration and asylum seekers,
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Speaker 11: national security, the related issue of crime. All of these
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Speaker 11: measures have gone down for Labor and up for the
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Speaker 11: Coalition in the last since the last poll. So what
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Speaker 11: we are seeing is that the government is trying to
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Speaker 11: say look away, you know, don't look here, nothing happening.
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Speaker 11: But Peter Dutton I think has hit a responsive nerve
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Speaker 11: amongst the public about this. He is saying that he's
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Speaker 11: asking a reasonable question, as he did on the Voice
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Speaker 11: to Parliament. He is saying, give us some facts and
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Speaker 11: all we will do is ask for a pause on
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Speaker 11: immigration and tourist visas from Gaza. Now I think it's
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Speaker 11: beginning to cut through and that the Freshwater Pole demonstrates
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Speaker 11: that labor's going backward on that issue to join all
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Speaker 11: the key issues on cost of living, economy and housing.
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Speaker 11: So the government is well behind the coalition. In that
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Speaker 11: Freshwater Pole.
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Speaker 3: Phil Coury he's written it up, makes the point that
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Speaker 3: Labour spending their wheels, they are they're thirty two percent
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Speaker 3: primary is sort of back where they were two and
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Speaker 3: a bit years ago. Now they've had the megaphone of governments.
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Speaker 3: They've spent billions and billions and billions of dollars trying
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Speaker 3: to deal with cost of living and clearly failing in
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Speaker 3: the eyes of voters. If you look across that issue
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Speaker 3: is graph again, will put it up on the screen.
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Speaker 3: You can see nowhere there are they getting above thirty
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Speaker 3: percent in terms of their carriage of the issues, the
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Speaker 3: coalitions beating them a couple of points there. The coalitions
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Speaker 3: well into forty percent of voter support with a forty
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Speaker 3: in front of its primary vote. Dennis, this is exactly
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Speaker 3: where the coalition needs to be if they've got a
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Speaker 3: chance at actually winning the next election.
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Speaker 11: The coalition has to definitely have a four in front
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Speaker 11: of it and it's primary vote. Look, things have changed.
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Speaker 11: It used to be the Coalition if it had forty
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Speaker 11: two to forty three, it would win an election on
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Speaker 11: primary vote. If the ALP had just forty it could
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Speaker 11: win with preferences. But really remember the Labor Party one
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Speaker 11: with thirty three percent of the primary vote at the
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Speaker 11: last election. There are a large number of teals. It's
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Speaker 11: not just the polling and the aggregate vote Peter Dat
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Speaker 11: and has to win a large number of seats before
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Speaker 11: it can even hope to form a minority government. So
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Speaker 11: it's certainly not over all red rover for Labor, and
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Speaker 11: I think that what we're actually looking at is a
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Speaker 11: continuation of Labor's lack of impact. It had a great
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Speaker 11: first twelve months, it's had a fairly scratchy second twelve
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Speaker 11: months and what it's in danger of now is falling
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Speaker 11: behind just as it goes into the final eight months
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Speaker 11: of government. I think that those polling figures show real
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Speaker 11: problems for Labor, but it's not out of the woods
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Speaker 11: for the Liberals.
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Speaker 3: You make the point that Lives have to win a
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Speaker 3: lot of seats, and I think it's the electoral arithmetic
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Speaker 3: that's tough. You can see they're doing well in the polls,
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Speaker 3: but when I sit down and go seat by seat
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Speaker 3: by seat around the country, it's hard to see where
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Speaker 3: to swam if wins are going to come to move
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Speaker 3: the needle enough for Dutton to for majority government. And
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Speaker 3: this is why I guess that fallout out of New
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Speaker 3: South Wales, the embarrassment, the shambles last week of not
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Speaker 3: getting their forms in for a number of local government
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Speaker 3: elections is devastating. They tried over the weekend to get
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Speaker 3: the state Electoral Commission to grant them an extension that failed.
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Speaker 2: There's talk of a class action from candidates.
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Speaker 3: We know the state director, Richard Shields, was sacked late
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Speaker 3: on Thursday night. More and more calls for the party
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Speaker 3: president Don Harwin to be sacked for his role in
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Speaker 3: this whole mess. The front page of the Telegraph Today
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Speaker 3: reports Peter Dutton isn't ruling out a federal takeover of
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Speaker 3: the division.
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Speaker 11: Now.
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Speaker 2: I have to declare here.
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Speaker 3: My husband is the former Liberal Party federal director Brian Locknay.
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Speaker 3: He's been asked by Dutton to do an urgent review
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Speaker 3: into this whole calamity. He wants to know, Peter Dutton,
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Speaker 3: are they ready to fight the next election? But it's
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Speaker 3: been a shocking couple of days for Liberals, hasn't it,
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Speaker 3: Dennis Oh?
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Speaker 11: It certainly has has been very bad for the New
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Speaker 11: South Wales Liberals. But in some ways this could all
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Speaker 11: be a blessing in disguise. It's not like Europe or
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Speaker 11: France or Italy where council local council elections have a
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Speaker 11: flow on effect, direct flow on effect to federal elections.
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Speaker 11: What we're actually seeing though, is a demonstration of how
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Speaker 11: bad organization, a lack of organization can actually limit the
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Speaker 11: activities of the Federal Party out of federal election. And
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Speaker 11: I think in some ways this will be a blessing
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Speaker 11: in disguise, because they have no doubt that Brian Locknahan,
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Speaker 11: who's the best in the business in these reviews, will
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Speaker 11: provide the grounds for Peter Dutton to actually take over
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Speaker 11: the New South Wales branch and provide a solid management
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Speaker 11: going into the election next year. So I think that
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Speaker 11: while this has been a bad week, it does have
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Speaker 11: an opportunity for Peter Dutton to exert some federal control
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Speaker 11: on a very riven state branch.
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Speaker 3: And it's interesting too there's all this debate about the
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Speaker 3: heavy handedness quote unquote if the Feds do take over
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Speaker 3: the New South Wales leaves.
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Speaker 2: But I need to mention it.
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Speaker 3: It was reported in the Age yesterday that is exactly
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Speaker 3: what's happened in Victoria by federal labor over the last
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Speaker 3: couple of days, and it's barely rated and mentioned. Anthony
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Speaker 3: Albanese has written to the ALP National Secretary Paul Erickson
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Speaker 3: and says Ericson, I want you to take on the
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Speaker 3: responsibility of all the Victorian Labor pre selections for the
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Speaker 3: federal election. Now, two very different media treatments here, Dennis,
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Speaker 3: to the same issue. One's in Victoria with Labor, one's
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Speaker 3: in New South Wales with the Liberals.
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Speaker 11: One man's intervention is another man's cooperative takeover.
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Speaker 2: Look.
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Speaker 11: I think both leaders, both Peter Dutton in New South
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Speaker 11: Wales and Anthony alban Asian Victory, would be only too
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Speaker 11: happy to have the opportunity to actually bring in some
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Speaker 11: federal discipline to the redistribution and the preselection Because redistributions
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Speaker 11: have changed things. We still haven't seen the final redistributions
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Speaker 11: federal redistributions and I think both federal leaders know the importance.
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Speaker 11: After all, New South Wales is going to decide the
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Speaker 11: federal election and they cannot afford to lose one or
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Speaker 11: two seats. And by the same token, Anthony Albernese doesn't
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Speaker 11: want to give up Labour's stronghold in Victoria. Both leaders
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Speaker 11: are doing exactly what you would expect them to do,
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Speaker 11: although it comes with different excuses and different treatment.
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Speaker 3: Spot On, Dennis Shahan, thank you for your time. Now
22:49
Speaker 3: I want to make it clear how seriously we take
22:52
Speaker 3: our different roles in the Credlin Locknow household. The first
22:54
Speaker 3: I knew of my husband accepting Peter Dutton's requests that
22:57
Speaker 3: he do a review into the New South Wales Liberals
23:00
Speaker 3: was when I read about it in the paper This
23:01
Speaker 3: Sporting last week.
23:03
Speaker 2: When this story broke.
23:04
Speaker 3: You remember, I was pretty clear on the record here
23:07
Speaker 3: that the New South Wales Liberals must be reformed, that
23:11
Speaker 3: I don't believe they can actually do it themselves, that
23:14
Speaker 3: if Dutton wants to avoid a repeat of Tony Abbott's
23:17
Speaker 3: one seat loss in twenty ten, then the Federal Party
23:21
Speaker 3: must take over the New South Wales division.
23:24
Speaker 2: That position's not changed.
23:26
Speaker 3: While I'll certainly keep covering the issue, I know my
23:29
Speaker 3: viewers will understand that well Brian's doing this review over
23:32
Speaker 3: the next couple of weeks. I will be circumspect about
23:35
Speaker 3: what I say publicly, not my guests, just me. The
23:39
Speaker 3: last thing I want to do is give any cover
23:41
Speaker 3: to those who don't have the party's best interest or
23:44
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton's best interests at heart, and allow them to
23:47
Speaker 3: claim some sort of conflict of interest or even perception
23:51
Speaker 3: of one between Brian and I.
23:53
Speaker 2: So Dutton must have a full.
23:56
Speaker 3: And frank review to land on his desk, and given
23:59
Speaker 3: Brian's fourteen years of the top job you heard Dennis,
24:02
Speaker 3: there is no way more experienced than him to give it.
24:07
Speaker 3: After the break, we'll get into that astonishing admission from
24:10
Speaker 3: a senior labor minister. But visit of viasas for the
24:13
Speaker 3: Palaestinians were or about expediting the process and not.
24:17
Speaker 2: The security of Australians.
24:19
Speaker 3: Last a bit later on a huge story last week
24:22
Speaker 3: that I know concerned many of you. Shortages to ivy
24:25
Speaker 3: fluid in our hospitals. An update tonight and what Labour's
24:29
Speaker 3: argument is. It says it's a global shortage. Well that's
24:33
Speaker 3: falling apart as Medico's demand answers welcome back still to
24:42
Speaker 3: come the urgent ivy fluid shortage we're now told Labour's
24:46
Speaker 3: been asleep at the wheel, allowing us to get to
24:49
Speaker 3: the point where medicos.
24:50
Speaker 2: Are told now to ration supplies. I'll get to the latterst.
24:54
Speaker 3: There, but first I want to return to the issue
24:55
Speaker 3: of the guards of visas and why so many of
24:57
Speaker 3: Labour's arguments just don't stack up. The prime Minister's repeatedly
25:01
Speaker 3: trying to draw a parallel between what the coalition government
25:04
Speaker 3: did when accepting people out of Afghanistan and Syria and
25:08
Speaker 3: the current conflict in Gaza. However, what we're talking about
25:13
Speaker 3: in this instance are tourist visas, so we know that
25:17
Speaker 3: we're issued in just twenty four hours rather than the
25:20
Speaker 3: usual process behind refugee visa assessments. Something that Senior Minister
25:26
Speaker 3: ed Husick acknowledged yesterday was all about getting Ghazans here
25:31
Speaker 3: as quickly as possible.
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Speaker 9: Why visit a visas though because they're faster the process
25:37
Speaker 9: refugee visas take longer, and given what's happening right now
25:42
Speaker 9: and the dangers presented, the view was to try and
25:46
Speaker 9: get people out as quickly as you can.
25:50
Speaker 3: I want to dig into this detail and I'm joined
25:52
Speaker 3: now to do that by the Director at Strategic Analysis Australia,
25:55
Speaker 3: Michael Schubridge. Michael, you and I both know this issue
25:59
Speaker 3: in stie out, but it's a debate where there's a
26:02
Speaker 3: lot of complexity and unless you know how the system works.
26:06
Speaker 3: You can listen to the assurances of the PM all
26:09
Speaker 3: the comments he says today in the chamber that is
26:11
Speaker 3: followed the accepted practice, and you might think he's keeping
26:15
Speaker 3: Australian safe. But what the government's done here is radically
26:20
Speaker 3: different from what's been done before, isn't.
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Speaker 12: It, Yes, Peter, And that's because every crisis where people
26:29
Speaker 12: are in a chaotic situation is different. In Afghanistan, for example,
26:33
Speaker 12: we had people operating there for years, working with locals.
26:37
Speaker 12: We had a large biometric data base, and many of
26:41
Speaker 12: the people despise the Taliban. In Gaza, by contrast, we've
26:45
Speaker 12: got no history. We know that over half the population
26:49
Speaker 12: there supported Hamas's barbaric attacks. Of the seventh of October,
26:55
Speaker 12: there's polling saying forty percent of them still support on us.
27:00
Speaker 12: So the big the government's big problem here is that saying, well,
27:05
Speaker 12: we do, but there is no biometric data base.
27:08
Speaker 2: People what that is. Yeah, let's tell people what a
27:11
Speaker 2: biometric is.
27:14
Speaker 12: Biometric databases are much better than fingerprints. They're like the
27:18
Speaker 12: things when you look at a camera on your laptop
27:21
Speaker 12: and it recognizes your face. It's detailed information about individuals
27:26
Speaker 12: and that's usually attached to their personal histories. In Afghanistan,
27:31
Speaker 12: if anyone was discovered through forensic work around bomb blasts
27:35
Speaker 12: and IEDs their biometric information was stuck in a database
27:39
Speaker 12: with a giant red red flag.
27:44
Speaker 3: Dave Sharma, who obviously now is a federal Senator, but
27:47
Speaker 3: previously was our ambassador in Israel, he made this comment
27:51
Speaker 3: just before with my colleague Chris Kenny.
27:53
Speaker 2: Have a listen.
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Speaker 11: When I was Australian ambassads Israel, there would never have
27:58
Speaker 11: been a tourist visia issued to a palaestinating within twenty
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Speaker 11: four hours, much less than an hour.
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Speaker 8: You know, these things normally take two to four weeks.
28:09
Speaker 3: Okay, And things are obviously different now because they're actively
28:11
Speaker 3: at war, so it will be much longer. We know
28:14
Speaker 3: we don't have face to face interviews. We know we
28:16
Speaker 3: don't have consular officials on the ground.
28:19
Speaker 2: We're just sorry.
28:20
Speaker 3: And a lot of these gardens too, I have to say,
28:23
Speaker 3: don't have something like an internationally recognized passport. So we're
28:27
Speaker 3: just accepting the name they give us is their real name.
28:31
Speaker 2: Sure we can run that through a computer.
28:34
Speaker 3: But if it's not their real name, we're flying blind here,
28:36
Speaker 3: aren't we.
28:39
Speaker 12: Well, yes, and look at the current visa outcomes. They
28:42
Speaker 12: show how unstable this process is. So out of ten
28:46
Speaker 12: thousand overall visas applied for Since October twenty nine hundred
28:51
Speaker 12: of them have been accepted. That's a twenty nine percent
28:54
Speaker 12: approval rate, but the last three months of that data
28:57
Speaker 12: only nine percent were approved. Soradically different outcomes from early
29:01
Speaker 12: on and now that is strange, isn't it Because officials
29:06
Speaker 12: would have been working under more pressure with less information earlier,
29:09
Speaker 12: and yet the approval rates were higher. This tells us
29:13
Speaker 12: this is an unstable situation and decisions are being made
29:17
Speaker 12: on very different grounds.
29:21
Speaker 3: What about the fact that no Muslim neighbor around Gaza
29:26
Speaker 3: is taking anyone. We've got the US and the UK
29:30
Speaker 3: also not taking anyone. What does it say about their
29:35
Speaker 3: con security concerns and why do you think we're taking
29:39
Speaker 3: them when other countries are not.
29:44
Speaker 2: Well.
29:44
Speaker 12: This really does show the government's problem. All these assurances
29:47
Speaker 12: that everything is trouble free in business as usual just
29:52
Speaker 12: contrast really badly with these other governments faced with a
29:56
Speaker 12: similar situation making very different decisions. So the issue is
30:01
Speaker 12: that saying it's not the crime that gets you, it's
30:04
Speaker 12: the cover up, the government shiftiness about how this is
30:08
Speaker 12: actually working and pretense that it's all just as it was, say,
30:13
Speaker 12: with Afghanistan. That's the problem.
30:17
Speaker 3: I also make the point in relation to the kosts
30:20
Speaker 3: of ours, and this was raised by Labor in the Chamber.
30:23
Speaker 3: When John Howard took people out of the former Yugoslavia
30:27
Speaker 3: on these Kosovar visas.
30:29
Speaker 2: They were limited in that even in.
30:31
Speaker 3: Australia, you couldn't transfer into another visa class, You couldn't
30:36
Speaker 3: make a refugee application if you accepted a safe haven visa.
30:41
Speaker 3: We know there were temporary protection visas too, where the
30:44
Speaker 3: era of all those vote arrivals under Kevin Rudd, well,
30:47
Speaker 3: Labor abolished those. That's part of the problem because they're
30:51
Speaker 3: coming here as we know Michael on tourist visas, and
30:54
Speaker 3: something like four to five hundred of them already have
30:58
Speaker 3: applied to become refuge and stay here permanently.
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Speaker 12: Well, that is the problem with rushing for a quick
31:07
Speaker 12: fixed solution like tourist fezas. What there should have been
31:11
Speaker 12: was a bit of a step back and a realization
31:14
Speaker 12: that the best information about security risks from people in
31:18
Speaker 12: Gaza would come from the Israeli government. Instead of that,
31:21
Speaker 12: the government has burnt its relationship with the Israeli government
31:25
Speaker 12: by sending people like our retired chief of Defense force
31:28
Speaker 12: to second guess their military's decisions, only to discover the
31:32
Speaker 12: Israelis hold their commanders to account far more rapidly than
31:36
Speaker 12: we do here.
31:40
Speaker 2: Do you think we're right to be concerned about this cohort?
31:43
Speaker 12: Michael, Well, yes, I just look at the unstable decision making.
31:49
Speaker 12: If twenty nine percent were approved early on and it's
31:53
Speaker 12: only nine percent of being approved now, what's changed is
31:57
Speaker 12: that we've got better information now, so the government needs
32:00
Speaker 12: to explain why is this process so unstable?
32:06
Speaker 3: Michael sheb We take you for your time, all right
32:09
Speaker 3: after break the shocking shortage of ivy fluid and hospitals
32:12
Speaker 3: across the country that shaping up as a mess of
32:15
Speaker 3: labor's making and not the global shortage that was the
32:18
Speaker 3: excuse last week, last a bit later on the Indigenous
32:22
Speaker 3: Cultural Heritage call that's got miners sounding the alarm of
32:26
Speaker 3: a future resource projects in this country. Welcome back still
32:33
Speaker 3: to come. What exactly did Anthony Albnezy promise Muslim leaders
32:37
Speaker 3: prior to the collection when it comes to Palestinian recognition,
32:41
Speaker 3: because the leaks are happening now and it looks like
32:44
Speaker 3: big promises were made to win communities.
32:47
Speaker 2: Over the first.
32:48
Speaker 3: It was just last week that I discussed what the
32:50
Speaker 3: Labor Government was claiming to be a global shortage and
32:54
Speaker 3: much needed saline intravenous fluids. Since then, questions have been
32:58
Speaker 3: raised about how wides bread this is and why Australia
33:02
Speaker 3: has seemingly dropped the ball when it comes to building
33:05
Speaker 3: up supplies. It's also bad now that healthcare providers are
33:09
Speaker 3: paying as much as ten times the usual price to
33:12
Speaker 3: import ivy fluid despite Australia's only.
33:15
Speaker 2: On shore manufacturer.
33:17
Speaker 3: They've got a factory in Western Sydney still being able
33:20
Speaker 3: to supply adequate stock to New Zealand. Now this has
33:24
Speaker 3: led industry insiders to rightly say they're mystified how we
33:28
Speaker 3: seem to be the only country impacted by this so
33:31
Speaker 3: called global shortage. For more of these let's bring in now.
33:35
Speaker 3: The Shadow Health Minister Anne Rusten, Senator Welcome New Zealand
33:40
Speaker 3: says they've got no issues. The very mighty US Food
33:44
Speaker 3: and Drug Administration says there's no issues at all.
33:46
Speaker 2: Over there.
33:46
Speaker 3: There's a shortage of a particular size of the saline product,
33:50
Speaker 3: but across the board.
33:51
Speaker 2: No, they're fine.
33:53
Speaker 3: So how on earth has Australia got a so called
33:54
Speaker 3: global problem that no one else has got.
33:58
Speaker 13: Well, I mean, the really shocking thing about all this, Peter,
34:01
Speaker 13: is the fact that the government admitted last week that
34:03
Speaker 13: they actually knew that there was a potential shortage pending
34:07
Speaker 13: over a year ago. And clearly other places around the
34:10
Speaker 13: world have done whatever they needed to do to shore
34:12
Speaker 13: up supplies of ivy saline so that they could support
34:16
Speaker 13: their health care systems.
34:17
Speaker 2: In their countries.
34:18
Speaker 13: I mean, even as close as you know New Zealand
34:20
Speaker 13: saying that there's no shortage. But it was really pretty
34:24
Speaker 13: disingenuous of the minister last week to say this was
34:27
Speaker 13: a global shortage and sort of as if to say
34:30
Speaker 13: that the Albineese Labor government didn't need to take any
34:33
Speaker 13: responsibility for the fact that we find ourselves in this position.
34:36
Speaker 2: It's quite extraordinary.
34:37
Speaker 13: And I asked Katie Gallagher again today, you know what
34:40
Speaker 13: the situation was, and you know she continue to obfuscate
34:45
Speaker 13: and just say it was somebody else's problem, and it
34:47
Speaker 13: was a problem with the states and territories, and you
34:49
Speaker 13: know that they were handling the situation really well well.
34:52
Speaker 13: To say Australians who were going into hospital and not
34:55
Speaker 13: being able to get sailin drips. I heard today that
34:58
Speaker 13: there were patients in hospitals have been told by their
35:01
Speaker 13: doctors to drink more water because they're not able to
35:05
Speaker 13: get a sale one drip. That should not be happening
35:07
Speaker 13: in Australia, and I think mister Butler and the Aberanese
35:10
Speaker 13: government need to come out and explain to Australians how
35:12
Speaker 13: come this is happening here in Australia. It's not happening
35:14
Speaker 13: anywhere else in the world, despite the fact they've known
35:16
Speaker 13: for a year.
35:20
Speaker 3: So we've got, as I mentioned, one domestic manufacturer. This
35:24
Speaker 3: is a Baxter in Western Sydney. They supply basically all
35:28
Speaker 3: the saline fluids to New Zealand.
35:30
Speaker 2: They're in a good place.
35:32
Speaker 3: How on earth can we have a domestic manufacturer We're
35:36
Speaker 3: in trouble, but New Zealand's not.
35:37
Speaker 2: And what's the government doing about it?
35:41
Speaker 13: Well, one of the things that we did during the pandemic,
35:44
Speaker 13: we didn't have a year's notice. By the way, we
35:46
Speaker 13: had a few minutes notice that we were potentially challenged
35:49
Speaker 13: about some of the supplies of these really important health products.
35:53
Speaker 13: We used a mechanism that was already in place the
35:55
Speaker 13: national medical stockpile. So the federal government took a leadership
35:59
Speaker 13: role negotiated to make sure that we had a stockpile
36:02
Speaker 13: of these really important medical products. What the Alberanese government
36:06
Speaker 13: has done is they've just left the states and territories
36:09
Speaker 13: to do their own negotiations. Clearly they haven't been done,
36:12
Speaker 13: and now we find that the supply in Australia has
36:15
Speaker 13: been depleted where it hasn't elsewhere in the world. I mean,
36:17
Speaker 13: obviously New Zealand, who are also supplied by Baxter out
36:20
Speaker 13: of Australia, have done their homework and they've worked out
36:24
Speaker 13: that they needed to make sure that they had their
36:25
Speaker 13: supply contracts in place. So I think it's incumbent on
36:30
Speaker 13: the Australian federal government to actually take a leadership role here.
36:33
Speaker 13: They were very quick to criticize the Coalition government during
36:37
Speaker 13: the pandemic, so I think that maybe it's time for
36:40
Speaker 13: them to take a little bit of responsibility because what's
36:42
Speaker 13: good for us is good for them. And I think
36:45
Speaker 13: that the Alberanzi government has really let down Australians because
36:48
Speaker 13: you should not have a situation like we've got here.
36:50
Speaker 13: As I said, a year's notice is an awful lot
36:53
Speaker 13: of notice to fix up a problem.
36:56
Speaker 3: How concerned the medicos? I mean, what are medico is
36:58
Speaker 3: saying to you?
37:01
Speaker 13: They're very, very concerned, because I mean, despite the fact
37:05
Speaker 13: this is a very simple product. It is really nothing
37:07
Speaker 13: more than salt water, but obviously of an extraordinarily high quality.
37:12
Speaker 13: But it is absolutely fundamental in just about every health
37:15
Speaker 13: care setting. So we're now going to see a situation
37:18
Speaker 13: where it'll only be able to be used and rationed
37:21
Speaker 13: out in emergency situations. It'll probably have major impacts on
37:24
Speaker 13: electric surgery because of course we are not going to
37:27
Speaker 13: be able to use, say line in those sorts of situations.
37:31
Speaker 13: So I think, you know, mister Butler and the TGA
37:35
Speaker 13: need to get off their collective tails and get out
37:37
Speaker 13: there and do a little bit more. We found out
37:39
Speaker 13: last week that they'd set up a monitoring committee a
37:42
Speaker 13: week and a half ago, over a year into this.
37:45
Speaker 13: They're actually the first federal government action was setting.
37:48
Speaker 2: Up a monitoring committee. I think we're a bit past monitoring.
37:52
Speaker 3: You're not wrong, how I'm going to ask you about
37:54
Speaker 3: another issue before you go. The nine newspapers earlier in
37:58
Speaker 3: the year reported that serial sexy users rapistsed and pedophiles.
38:02
Speaker 3: We're getting substantial support from the NDIS. I mean some
38:05
Speaker 3: of them were getting close to a million dollars in
38:07
Speaker 3: their accounts to live under supervision in the community after
38:11
Speaker 3: their release from detention. Now this led to concerns that
38:14
Speaker 3: there's workers alone with them, often in their own homes.
38:18
Speaker 2: What protocols are in place to protect those workers.
38:21
Speaker 3: We learn from an FOI today that there are still
38:23
Speaker 3: no regulations or any guidance to protect these workers. These
38:29
Speaker 3: men and the predominantly men often have very violent and
38:32
Speaker 3: predatory backgrounds. Surely the NDIS workers need better protection than this.
38:40
Speaker 11: Well.
38:41
Speaker 13: Absolutely, The one thing that needs to be absolutely assured
38:44
Speaker 13: is the safety of workers, particularly workers who find themselves
38:49
Speaker 13: looking after some of Australia's most vulnerable people. They're very
38:52
Speaker 13: caring people and we need to make sure that protections
38:54
Speaker 13: are in place. But this is just another classic example, Peter,
38:58
Speaker 13: of this government taking no responsibility for the detail. I mean,
39:02
Speaker 13: we saw over the last few months in one hundred
39:06
Speaker 13: were over one hundred people let out into the community
39:09
Speaker 13: on visa conditions that were non existent, who the federal
39:13
Speaker 13: government knew that they had records that were likely to
39:16
Speaker 13: be challenging and potentially to the security and safety of Australians,
39:20
Speaker 13: but they just didn't seem to care. So you know,
39:23
Speaker 13: we'd be saying to the government, if you're going to
39:26
Speaker 13: put people in this sort of situation, there need to
39:28
Speaker 13: be adequate provisions put in place to make sure that
39:31
Speaker 13: these people are getting the care that they need. But
39:34
Speaker 13: at the same time, we've got a responsibility for those
39:36
Speaker 13: workers that we're not just saying we're putting things in
39:38
Speaker 13: place to protect them, but we.
39:39
Speaker 2: Actually are doing it. And Russian thank you.
39:44
Speaker 3: We'll follow this IVY issue, IVY fluid issue throughout the
39:48
Speaker 3: web and c Thiss moving from the government right after
39:50
Speaker 3: the break, what exactly did Anthony Albert easy to tell
39:52
Speaker 3: a group of Islamic leaders before the election about Palestinian
39:56
Speaker 3: recognition plus the indigenous heritage claim have wide ranging ramifications
40:02
Speaker 3: for mining in Australia.
40:09
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
40:09
Speaker 3: What we're finding, aren't we That the more the relationship
40:12
Speaker 3: between labor and the Muslim community is tested politically on
40:15
Speaker 3: the issue of Gaza, the more information appears to be
40:18
Speaker 3: coming to light. Today, prominent Muslim leaders have revealed that
40:22
Speaker 3: as Opposition leader Anthony Albanesi promised them that the recognition
40:27
Speaker 3: of Palestine would be a priority if he was elected
40:31
Speaker 3: and it would be a priority in his first term.
40:34
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty two, a legal advisor to the Australian
40:37
Speaker 3: National Imam's Council was on a video call with Anthony
40:41
Speaker 3: Albanesi just prior to the election and said there was
40:44
Speaker 3: a general acceptance in the meeting that this would be
40:47
Speaker 3: given priority in the first term. And President of the
40:51
Speaker 3: Islamic Council of Victoria, who was also part of the call,
40:53
Speaker 3: has said there is a sense of disappointment, frustration and
40:57
Speaker 3: disillusionment with the Positionustralian government has now taken with the
41:02
Speaker 3: conflict in Gaza, joining me to discuss this and more.
41:05
Speaker 3: Skynish contributor for Howard Government Minister Gary Hargraves and the
41:09
Speaker 3: LP member for Hinkler so up near the beautiful town
41:12
Speaker 3: of Bunderberg in Queensland, Keith pitt Well Jens welcome Gary.
41:17
Speaker 3: It would seem as though Albanez he promised Australian Muslims
41:21
Speaker 3: the world before the last election and now he's under
41:24
Speaker 3: pressure to deliver.
41:25
Speaker 2: It, isn't he.
41:27
Speaker 1: Well, he promised everybody the world he had a plan,
41:30
Speaker 1: but in fact he just found out he had a
41:31
Speaker 1: plane and he's been traveling the world ever since. Look, Peter,
41:35
Speaker 1: the trouble here is that the Muslim communities of Australia
41:39
Speaker 1: are culturally diverse and there's multiple, multiple views on all
41:44
Speaker 1: of this. There is not one view, and this is
41:47
Speaker 1: the failure of this Prime Minister to understand it. He
41:49
Speaker 1: can talk to somebody and then they're going to talk
41:51
Speaker 1: to somebody else and you'll find a completely different.
41:54
Speaker 9: Take on it.
41:55
Speaker 1: And these guys in the Islamic communities that are out
41:58
Speaker 1: now complaining themselves are running internal ballots to try and
42:02
Speaker 1: make themselves look more powerful, because the Islamic communities of
42:06
Speaker 1: Australia are in constant conflict about who actually is the spokesperson,
42:11
Speaker 1: who actually is the authority, which Irmalm is in fact
42:14
Speaker 1: on top, and so this whole thing is very very diverse.
42:17
Speaker 1: And look, I know this community very very well, and
42:21
Speaker 1: I know that in a place like Brisbane, people are
42:24
Speaker 1: just here because they want a safe and happy environment.
42:27
Speaker 1: They actually don't want the trouble coming over from Gaza.
42:30
Speaker 1: But I will say this, Peter, it is true that
42:33
Speaker 1: the plight of the Palestinians does unite Muslims of all cultures,
42:38
Speaker 1: and they are concerned about it. I'm not a Muslim.
42:41
Speaker 1: I'm concerned about it too, But I think until her
42:44
Speaker 1: Mass is taken out of the Gaza equation, until Israel
42:48
Speaker 1: is allowed to actually get on with its life and
42:50
Speaker 1: be peacefully able to occupy lands that's had for millennia,
42:55
Speaker 1: then none of this is going to go away. So
42:57
Speaker 1: Elbows a fool for believing that he has had the
43:00
Speaker 1: problem fixed. They're a fool for believing Elbow he lied
43:03
Speaker 1: his way into office. We know that, We know that
43:06
Speaker 1: for a fact, and you.
43:10
Speaker 3: Are no fool because I'll tell my listeners. Of course,
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Speaker 3: you weren't just a minister in the Howard government. You
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Speaker 3: were a multicultural affairs minister, so you speak on this
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Speaker 3: issue with a fair bit of authority. Let's go to
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Speaker 3: that gold mine issue in New South Wales. Keith Timeya
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Speaker 3: Pleversek has counseled it because of indigenous heritage protections. This
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Speaker 3: is a one billion dollar project. It is now I
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Speaker 3: think a dangerous precinpt for a whole lot of other
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Speaker 3: developments across the country. And there's also revelations the Jabaluka uranium.
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Speaker 3: Mind the boss there struggled to get a meeting with
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Speaker 3: the Resources Minister, Madeline King, but the Prime Minister on
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Speaker 3: this issue had plenty of time to meet Peter Garrett.
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Speaker 3: I mean, are you concerned by these developments, Peter.
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Speaker 14: It's not just made that's concerned. I think it's every
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Speaker 14: inversor that's looking at Australia and for those this has
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Speaker 14: got to be absolutely soul destroying for your listeners and
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Speaker 14: your viewers. This is the equivalent of buying the block
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Speaker 14: of land, going to the bank, getting loans set up,
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Speaker 14: getting the architect, getting the design, getting the approval, going
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Speaker 14: to market, getting your builder getting every single approval you need,
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Speaker 14: including an equivalent one to what knocked the organization out
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Speaker 14: down loading some of the money from your account to
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Speaker 14: be able to pay the builder's deposit. About the set
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Speaker 14: sale antan your Plebosex intervened with Section ten of the
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Speaker 14: Aboriginal Heritage Act, which had already been overruled at a
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Speaker 14: state level, but at a federal level they've made a
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Speaker 14: different decision. Except this is billions of dollars.
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Speaker 9: This is sovereign risk.
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Speaker 14: It's at hand and it is bad for Australia's reputation
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Speaker 14: and for our economy and jobs into the future. She
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Speaker 14: should absolutely fix this, and the coalition should as well
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Speaker 14: when we get back into government.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I made the.
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Speaker 3: Point of the top of the show too. She won't
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Speaker 3: tell us what the grounds are. We have approval from
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Speaker 3: one group of Aboriginal locals, but not secret group, and.
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Speaker 2: We're all in the dark. We're all in the dark.
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Speaker 3: Hey, your poor our Victorian taxpayers, Gary, They're being forced
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Speaker 3: to shell out a new fifty five six hundreds of
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Speaker 3: five and a half thousand dollars cost of living bonus
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Speaker 3: for every single public servant in the state. And at
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Speaker 3: the same time you've got the federal finance Minister Katie
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Speaker 3: Gallagher saying I'm not going to reign in any of
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Speaker 3: the states that are recklessly spending too much money.
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Speaker 2: Go figure.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a policy idea that's come from wait for it,
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Speaker 1: the Victorian public service and Peter, this is the problem.
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Speaker 1: I've got a radical plan for you, or the policy
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Speaker 1: wonk as well. You understand these things. Why don't we
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Speaker 1: just cut the first three layers of every state public
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Speaker 1: service and maybe the federal public service too, Just cut
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Speaker 1: them out, just get.
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Speaker 8: Rid of them.
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Speaker 1: We would save ourselves hundreds of millions of dollars in
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Speaker 1: all sorts of real costs and that on costs and
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Speaker 1: devolve responsibility to the frontline people. Because every time a
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Speaker 1: government comes off, as they say, how can you find savings,
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Speaker 1: and the way they give you efficiency dividends to the
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Speaker 1: people at the top of the pyramid, the first thing
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Speaker 1: they do is kill off people on the frontline services.
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Speaker 1: So I reckon, let's cut the people at the top
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Speaker 1: out and make some real savings. I reckon, that might
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Speaker 1: fix up Katie Gallaher's bottom line. But you know, the
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Speaker 1: Victorian taxpayer apparently has got a lot of money. Any
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Speaker 1: wonder people are fleeing Victorian going to a more tax
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Speaker 1: friendly location, probably overseas.
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Speaker 3: Made Victorian pro Victorian taxpayers DROWNI and debt not much
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Speaker 3: better at therway though, Keith. There are reports today that
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Speaker 3: the number of political staffers for the Queensland Labor government
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Speaker 3: they are increasing at twice the rate of frontline frontline
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Speaker 3: workers in the public service.
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Speaker 14: Dreadful and Peter, it's not just the increase in the numbers,
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Speaker 14: it's what they're being paid. So you've got elector office
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Speaker 14: staff now for the state who get paid significantly more
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Speaker 14: than our staff. At a federal level, it's a lot
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Speaker 14: of money. And if there's a change of government, guess
47:01
Speaker 14: what they all get paid redundancies And what's not increasing
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Speaker 14: is more police, more nurses, more teachers. They are the
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Speaker 14: things that you need in terms of frontline services, but
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Speaker 14: you've got the miles government just try and look after
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Speaker 14: those labor staffers on the potential that they'll be down
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Speaker 14: the track in a couple of months, and I hope
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Speaker 14: they are. To be honest, we desperately need to change
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Speaker 14: a government. But every single one of those increases is
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Speaker 14: paid for by tax payers and it doesn't help frontline
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Speaker 14: services for anyone that's looking for a hostable bed or
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Speaker 14: treatment or help.
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Speaker 3: We know that there's big issues in Queensland with youth
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Speaker 3: crime Gary, but I mean these headlines in Victoria today,
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Speaker 3: the Herald Sun running the terrible news that one of
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Speaker 3: the state's most wrapped up, terrible, worst youth crime offenders
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Speaker 3: is actually a twelve year old girl.
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Speaker 2: Can you believe it?
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Speaker 11: Wow?
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Speaker 1: Well I can because I've seen eleven year old stealing
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Speaker 1: cars around Southeast Queensland and in Townsville places like that.
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Speaker 1: And the problem is they've got these crazy Youth Justice Acts,
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Speaker 1: which basically says it's society's fault that a twelve year
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Speaker 1: old is being a bad girl. As the headline said,
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Speaker 1: you just know that unless there's a consequence for the crime,
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Speaker 1: the kid's going to go and escalate up.
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Speaker 2: And all the.
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Speaker 1: Police have always told me is unless there is actually
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Speaker 1: a penalty in place, no child is going to learn
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Speaker 1: a lesson. They're just going to keep ramping it up,
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Speaker 1: ramping it up until someone notices them and that's it.
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Speaker 1: Heaven knows, it could be someone gets killed in the process.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's shocking, gentlemen. Victoria's in a bad way. Thank
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Speaker 3: you both for your time.
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Speaker 2: See you next week.
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Speaker 3: All right, that's it for me. Parliament hasn't said all week.
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Speaker 3: I think it's going to get nastier before the week
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Speaker 3: ends and.
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Speaker 2: They rise on Thursday night.
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Speaker 3: I'll get you an update on the sea for me
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Speaker 3: you tomorrow night and more up next and your bolt