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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up you guys. It's Andrea and Haley and
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Speaker 1: you're listening to Inhuman, a true crime podcast. So before
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Speaker 1: we get started on part two of the Springfield three,
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Speaker 1: if you are alive in the world, I'm sure you
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Speaker 1: know that there have been some pretty big developments in
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Speaker 1: the Gabby Patito and Brian Laundry case. Haley and I
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Speaker 1: have been following it pretty uh whatever the word is,
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Speaker 1: pretty closely, especially Haley. She's been like on top of
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Speaker 1: it everyone. I feel like it's waiting for the ball
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Speaker 1: to drop, and it has dropped.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, so Brian, Wow, Okay, yesterday October twentieth,
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Speaker 2: remains were found in the Carlton Reserve. Now, this was
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Speaker 2: found shortly after Chris and ROBERTA. Laundry, who are Brian
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Speaker 2: Laundry's parents, went to the reserve to search, and according
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Speaker 2: to their lawyer, they had decided the night before that
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Speaker 2: now that the Carlton Reserve was open to the public,
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Speaker 2: that they wanted to go search. The lawyer informed law enforcement,
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Speaker 2: just letting them know, and apparently law enforcement met them
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Speaker 2: there while they were there searching. We're not really sure
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Speaker 2: what exactly happened. There's some footage of it, but it's
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Speaker 2: still pretty unclear. But while they were there, Chris Laundry
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Speaker 2: found a bag, like a wet bag and apparently like
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Speaker 2: knew that it was Brian's. So then after that law
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Speaker 2: enforcement started searching. And this is an area that they
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Speaker 2: had searched before.
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Speaker 1: Four A Mont well, not the specific area, but like
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Speaker 1: the whole reserve.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this specific area was an area that Brian
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Speaker 2: liked to go to and that's why Chris and Roberta
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Speaker 2: were searching there, which they had told law enforcement before this.
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Speaker 2: So they're searching, they found that, law enforcement continues to search,
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Speaker 2: they go home, law enforcement searches and finds a backpack
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Speaker 2: and journal belonging to or notebook belonging to Brian, along
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Speaker 2: with partial human remains. So that was yesterday they didn't identify.
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Speaker 2: Yesterday they didn't share much, and then today October twenty. First,
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Speaker 2: at first they shared that the remains were skeletal remains,
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Speaker 2: so like bones, and then they shared that there was
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Speaker 2: a partial skull, and then they shared that it has
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Speaker 2: been confirmed through dental records that the remains belonged to
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Speaker 2: Brian Laundry. So we don't know cause of death. We
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Speaker 2: don't know manner of death. We don't know how long
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Speaker 2: he's been out there. We do know that, or it
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Speaker 2: sounds like he was very decomposed, which I've looked it up,
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Speaker 2: and water can speed up decomposition, especially when you're in
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Speaker 2: an area with a lot of animals and bugs.
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Speaker 1: And stuff, and it's Florida, so it's so hot.
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Speaker 2: Yep. But yeah, so now the likelihood of us knowing
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Speaker 2: what happened to sweet Gabby is very low. Her family
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Speaker 2: is obviously going through an extremely difficult time right now,
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Speaker 2: and she will never get no justice in my eyes,
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Speaker 2: no justice, no peace. It's better he's dead than out there,
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Speaker 2: you know, like Casey Anthony, there's at least I've gotten
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Speaker 2: I've gotten this comment. Yeah, you know, like at least
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Speaker 2: he's not out there. And because who knows they might
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Speaker 2: have been able to, you know, try to say he
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Speaker 2: was innocent. Who knows where a trial would have gone.
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Speaker 2: So that is the positive, but of course it would
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Speaker 2: have been way better to see him rot in jail
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Speaker 2: allegedly if he allegedly did this. This is all alleged.
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Speaker 2: We don't know for sure, but we do know that
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Speaker 2: Gabby was murdered and Brian took well, we don't know
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Speaker 2: that he took his life, but we know that he
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Speaker 2: is no longer alive, and I don't know forever going
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Speaker 2: to get a cause of death. If it was really
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Speaker 2: just skeletal remains, we may never know. So yeah, that's
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Speaker 2: the big update. We hope that there is a full
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Speaker 2: investigation into both of their deaths and that the parents
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Speaker 2: will be questioned just about what they know.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, they know more than they're telling police. I fully,
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Speaker 1: when my whole heart believe that.
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Speaker 2: I think so too. I definitely think it was suspicious
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Speaker 2: that police the FBI spent what was it like one
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Speaker 2: point two or one point five million dollars in the
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Speaker 2: search over the last five weeks and they open the
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Speaker 2: Carlton Reserve to the public, and then the next day
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Speaker 2: the parents and they find something.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's super suspicious and it's too convenient. It's
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Speaker 1: just too convenient for me to be like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: this is great. Oh yeah, I believe it.
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Speaker 2: I agree. So, yeah, that's the update in that case.
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Speaker 2: And honestly, I was really angry when I first heard it,
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Speaker 2: of course, but I'm kind of like harnessing that anger
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Speaker 2: into we need to continue to make a difference for
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Speaker 2: so many people who are missing and people who were
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Speaker 2: murdered who don't have justice. Yeah, so you know, take
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Speaker 2: this energy. Brian doesn't deserve our energy and time. Of course,
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Speaker 2: we want justice for Gabby as well, but we can
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Speaker 2: put this in this energy into other cases that need
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Speaker 2: to be solved. In honor of Gabby, you know, her
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Speaker 2: parents want her legacy to live on and to create
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Speaker 2: something positive out of this terrible, awful situation. And so
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Speaker 2: Andrey and I will continue to share missing person's cases
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Speaker 2: on our instagram, on our personal instagrams, on TikTok. You know,
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Speaker 2: we're gonna do as much as we can, and we
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Speaker 2: tend to cover a lot of unsolved cases. It's just
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Speaker 2: our nature. Yeah, so you know, and all of you
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Speaker 2: guys listening, whenever you see a missing person poster, just
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Speaker 2: share it. And if you don't want to share it,
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Speaker 2: just stare at it a couple extra seconds to memorize
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Speaker 2: the photo and if you're in the area, think back
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Speaker 2: to things you might have seen or heard you just
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Speaker 2: never know. And so, you know, in honor of Gabby,
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Speaker 2: take a couple extra seconds anytime you see a missing
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Speaker 2: person poster or information about them and you know, you
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Speaker 2: really can make a difference.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, part of me wishes our hopes. I guess I
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Speaker 1: should say that maybe in that stuff that they found,
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Speaker 1: there's going to be some type of confession letter or
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Speaker 1: some type of recounting of events, because you know, he
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Speaker 1: sounds like a textbook narcissist and he was really into writing.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, I don't know if they'll be
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Speaker 1: able to salvage it, since all that's the remains and
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Speaker 1: the backpack were found where water had been.
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Speaker 2: Where water was. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, we can hope.
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Speaker 2: You know, I mean a lot of people thought he
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Speaker 2: was too narcissistic to take his own life, and I mean,
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Speaker 2: we don't know for sure that that's what happened, but
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Speaker 2: he definitely wasn't out on the run, so who knows.
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Speaker 2: There might be a confession. At first, I was like,
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Speaker 2: there's no way, but they're very very well. Maybe, so
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Speaker 2: we can hope, and we can keep Gabby's family in
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Speaker 2: our thoughts and prayers, and we can continue to do
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Speaker 2: everything we can to make a difference.
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Speaker 1: And absolutely thank.
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Speaker 2: You for coming to my TED talk. Yeah I feel
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Speaker 2: like I just like were vomited.
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Speaker 1: No, I mean, it needs to be shared, and like,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure most of our listeners are on
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Speaker 1: top of it and know what's going on, but you know,
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Speaker 1: there may be people who have no idea that there
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Speaker 1: has been such a big break I guess you could
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Speaker 1: say in the case. So that's part of our duty
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Speaker 1: as yeah podcasters, true crime podcasters. I feel like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: whether it's this case or another case, like, if we
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Speaker 1: know something, we want to share it with you guys.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And on a little bit of a lighter note, Andrea,
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Speaker 2: I haven't told you this yet because it literally was
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Speaker 2: just happening like before we got onto record, but a
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Speaker 2: bunch of people I was on TikTok Live before this,
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Speaker 2: just talking about Brian Laundry and a bunch of people
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Speaker 2: were commenting how much they were loving the podcast, and
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Speaker 2: so many people were saying like, oh, I just listened
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Speaker 2: to this episodiode or that episode, and it just means
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Speaker 2: so much that you guys are listening. And you don't
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Speaker 2: know how much it means when you like tell us,
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Speaker 2: oh I just listened to this episode, or you share
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Speaker 2: it on your stories or like comment on our posts
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Speaker 2: or message us, it.
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Speaker 1: Really really, really, you guys really have no idea how
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Speaker 1: much it means to us, Like I'm about to cry.
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Speaker 1: Why am I gonna cry? Damn pregnancy hormone? Because we
9:27
Speaker 1: you know, despite what some people may think, we do
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Speaker 1: work hard at what we do, and we do take
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Speaker 1: a lot of time to research these cases and we
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Speaker 1: want to make a difference. And yeah, that's that's that
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Speaker 1: may not be like the whole reason that we started,
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Speaker 1: but that's definitely like come to fruition for both of us,
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Speaker 1: I feel like, and that's why we do what we do.
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Speaker 1: So we really appreciate all the feedback and everyone taken
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Speaker 1: forty minutes to an hour out of their day to listen.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it really means so much. And literally, anytime
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Speaker 2: we get a new view or a message or anything,
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Speaker 2: will text each other, Like depending on who sees it,
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Speaker 2: we'll text each other and be like, oh my gosh,
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Speaker 2: we get this message and it really just means so much.
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Speaker 2: So thank you to everybody who listens and who has
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Speaker 2: messaged us and just is supporting us. We really appreciate you, guys.
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Speaker 1: Yeah we do.
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Speaker 2: So. Uh, that's probably the longest intro we've ever had,
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Speaker 2: but I am freaking thirteen. Yeah, literally, well, we spent
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Speaker 2: a good couple of minutes like shit out, So it's true,
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Speaker 2: but still that's really long. And I am so freaking
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Speaker 2: excited to get into this the rest of this case.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well let's jump right to it then. So on
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Speaker 1: the last episode, we talked about, you know, the girls, Stacy, Susie,
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Speaker 1: and Cheryl's lives a little bit. We talked about the
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Speaker 1: graduation and the day that they all went missing, and
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Speaker 1: we started to kind of you know, surface cover the
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Speaker 1: beginning of I guess the investigation. But this part of it,
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Speaker 1: we're going to dive into the investigation more and we're
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Speaker 1: also going to go through like theories and suspects and
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Speaker 1: all that good stuff.
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Speaker 2: And this is like the part that's so interesting, you know,
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Speaker 2: yeah looking into all that stuff, and I know, with
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Speaker 2: your psychology degree, you like probably dove right in. So
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Speaker 2: I'm excited.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, So the days following the girl's disappearance are
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Speaker 1: the women I say girls and women like kind of
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Speaker 1: back and forth throughout, but they were women. They had
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Speaker 1: several days of rain, so right after they went missing,
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Speaker 1: there was like several days of rain.
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Speaker 2: That's not good.
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Speaker 1: I know, that puts up that puts a damper on
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Speaker 1: the whole situation as far as like searching, because it's
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Speaker 1: really hard to search in the rain, especially in the Ozarks,
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Speaker 1: which is like where they were, basically like those arc
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Speaker 1: mountains and forests and all that. Right, Janice, who, if
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Speaker 1: you will remember, is Stacey McCall's mother. She put up
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Speaker 1: missing flyers all over town. There's actually one missing flyer
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Speaker 1: that's still up in a local restaurant slash bar. Oh wow,
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Speaker 1: even after all this time, because the owner of that
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Speaker 1: restaurant promised Janis that he would never take it down
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Speaker 1: until the girls were found.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, is it the same one that she
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Speaker 2: put up that day?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the same flyer. Wow. In the beginning, Janis
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Speaker 1: didn't feel super confident that the police were doing everything
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Speaker 1: in their power to investigate her daughter's disappearance. They had
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Speaker 1: a thirty person team investigating what they knew so far,
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Speaker 1: They did an area wide search, they dredged lakes rivers,
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Speaker 1: and they even sought out on horseback into the Ozark
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Speaker 1: mountains looking for the women.
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Speaker 2: And she still didn't feel like it was.
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Speaker 1: I think it was. Yeah. I mean the way that
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Speaker 1: I understood it was that it was delayed and so
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Speaker 1: many people were just not convinced that they were really
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Speaker 1: in danger or.
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Speaker 2: And haut like you know, oh okay.
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Speaker 1: So I feel like maybe she felt like they weren't
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Speaker 1: taking it like super seriously. But they eventually did, you know,
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Speaker 1: put together this thirty person team to investigate, and then they,
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Speaker 1: like I said, they went into those art mountains and
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Speaker 1: dredged like lakes and rivers in the area because there's
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Speaker 1: tons of that, because it's like huge nature area.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: The residences of Springfield also helped in the search. They
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Speaker 1: racked their brains for any information they may have known
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Speaker 1: or overlooked or forgotten about. Kind of like you were
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Speaker 1: saying at the beginning of this, like even if you
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Speaker 1: just stare at a missing person slider and try to
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Speaker 1: remember like those faces, right, maybe if you think back
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Speaker 1: to what you did the grocery store, who you saw,
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Speaker 1: gas station, whatever, like, you never know you might have
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Speaker 1: seen these people. It didn't take long for the case
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Speaker 1: to pick up national media coverage. The police department took
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Speaker 1: tons and tons of tips from the public, and they
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Speaker 1: pursued every single one. Wow that you know was justified
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Speaker 1: in looking into more. Right, There was one tip claiming
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Speaker 1: that the girls had gone to a local diner and
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Speaker 1: met up with three guys, and that Susie appeared to
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Speaker 1: be intoxicated. So I read in two different sources that
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Speaker 1: it was just Susie and Stacy that were at this diner,
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Speaker 1: but then another source said it was all three women,
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Speaker 1: so even her mother, which I thought was kind of odd.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I find it odd, especially if her mom wasn't
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Speaker 2: known for like doing that type like thing.
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Speaker 1: Hanging out with her daughter, her teenage daughter. Right, So
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Speaker 1: this information didn't make a lot of sense to investigators because,
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Speaker 1: like I mentioned at you know, during part one, the
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Speaker 1: girl's clothing, purses, and Susie's cigarettes had all been left
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Speaker 1: at home. Surely, if the girls had come back to
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Speaker 1: Susie's and then decided to go grab food, they would
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Speaker 1: have at least taken their purses, you know, they got
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Speaker 1: to pay for their meal, and Susie definitely would have
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Speaker 1: taken her cigarettes because like I'm thinking, like waffle house,
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Speaker 1: you know, one o'clock in the morning, right, smoking cigarettes,
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Speaker 1: eating waffles and bacon whatever.
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Speaker 2: But like, no matter how drunk you were, you would
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Speaker 2: probably almost one hundred percent likely would remember to bring
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Speaker 2: like your wallet or something you wouldn't just like walk
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Speaker 2: out without your purse and right, like their cars were there,
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Speaker 2: so it's not like they could have driven somewhere, like.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and why go there first or why go home
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Speaker 1: first and then go out right? Yeah. There was also
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Speaker 1: a tip from a local gas station attend who claimed
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Speaker 1: to have seen the girls earlier in the night, but
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Speaker 1: that tip was also dismissed because friends who had been
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Speaker 1: with the girls that night said that they never went
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Speaker 1: to that gas station, so the timeframe for that didn't
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Speaker 1: match up. So already, you know, people are like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I saw him, I saw him, I saw right, which
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Speaker 1: can like muddy the case a little bit. There was
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Speaker 1: also an eyewitness who claimed to have seen an old
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Speaker 1: green Dodge van like old old I'll put a picture
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Speaker 1: on our Instagram of this van in Ryl and Susie's neighborhood.
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Speaker 1: The neighbor claimed that the person driving looked a lot
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Speaker 1: like Susie. Oh yeah, so, and they said that there
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Speaker 1: was like at least two men in the van.
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Speaker 2: And like you've said before that this is a neighborhood
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Speaker 2: where like everybody knows everyone, so people would recognize if
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Speaker 2: like this was a van that wasn't normally there.
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Speaker 1: Right, And that's kind of why they called this is
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Speaker 1: because it wasn't a familiar card from the neighborhood. The
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Speaker 1: police department went as far this is crazy. The police
17:03
Speaker 1: department went as far as buying a van that looked
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Speaker 1: like the van that the eyewitness saw and they parked
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Speaker 1: it in front of the police department asking they literally
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Speaker 1: put a sign on and asking for anyone who had
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Speaker 1: seen a van similar to that one to call police
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Speaker 1: with any information. Oh my god, I was like, way
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Speaker 1: to go, Like, you guys are doing the most Yeah,
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Speaker 1: But unfortunately not much came from that information line or
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Speaker 1: from the eyewitness tip.
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Speaker 2: Damn.
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Speaker 1: The police began digging into Cheryl's past to see if
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Speaker 1: there was anything out of sorts si could lead to
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Speaker 1: a tip in the case. From all accounts, Cheryl was
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Speaker 1: a good worker. She had many clients at the hair salon.
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Speaker 1: She was fun loving, and she seemed to be a
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Speaker 1: really good mom. One of her coworkers said that like
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Speaker 1: she would bake cookies and bring them into the hair
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Speaker 1: salon and give them to like everybody, And she was
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Speaker 1: always there for her daughter, like if she had to
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Speaker 1: take off work, you know, do this or that. She
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Speaker 1: was always there. However, there were a lot of rumors
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Speaker 1: that fluttered around about Cheryl, but those that knew her
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Speaker 1: knew that those rumors couldnot possibly be true. Therefore, I
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Speaker 1: will not discuss them any further because it was all
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Speaker 1: hearsay and nothing was factual. Okay. There was another theory
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Speaker 1: that Susie and Cheryl were possibly targeted because they were
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Speaker 1: involved in a criminal case of three men who had
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Speaker 1: broken into a mausoleum and had stolen the gold feelings
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Speaker 1: out of the mouth of the dead who were buried there.
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Speaker 1: Ew one of these young men was the ex boyfriend
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Speaker 1: of Susie, and I believe his name was Mike.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: So there was like a lot of speculation that they
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Speaker 1: were going to have to testify against these men, which
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Speaker 1: I don't know why because it's not like they were
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Speaker 1: involved in the case, but like maybe character witnesses or
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Speaker 1: something right, and people thought like maybe they knew that
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Speaker 1: they weren't going to give them a good witness statement
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Speaker 1: and kidnap them. But I don't know, doesn't really add
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Speaker 1: up to me, Okay. There are many mini theories as
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Speaker 1: to what happened to Cheryl, Susie and Stacy police received
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Speaker 1: a tip that the women had been buried under a
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Speaker 1: hospital parking lot. There was even a petition for law
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Speaker 1: enforcement to dig up the parking lot, and there was
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Speaker 1: there was a psychic who was involved, and she I
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Speaker 1: guess hired an engineer to come out and he used
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Speaker 1: ground penetrating radar. Allegedly he did find three objects that
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Speaker 1: he claimed were consistent with a burial, a burial site
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Speaker 1: aka bodies. Okay, However, the building and the parking lot
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Speaker 1: weren't built until a after a year or until a
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Speaker 1: year after the women went missing.
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Speaker 2: But couldn't they have been buried there when it happened
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Speaker 2: and then it was built over it?
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Speaker 1: So what People that believed this theory thought that the
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Speaker 1: girl that the women had been kept somewhere else and
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Speaker 1: then buried there after the fact, because they hadn't even
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Speaker 1: started construction until after a year after they went missing.
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Speaker 1: But no one really, like the SPD, like the Springfield
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Speaker 1: Police Apartment, like they did not believe that that information
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Speaker 1: was credible because how would someone get away with keeping
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Speaker 1: three bodies for a year somewhere right which you know,
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Speaker 1: I can kind of get behind that because it would
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Speaker 1: be hard enough to do one person, but three people.
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Speaker 2: But could they do they not think that it was
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Speaker 2: they could have just been buried like in that site.
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Speaker 1: Like forever, Like yeah, I don't know, that's a good question,
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Speaker 1: Like they could have been buried there previously, and then
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Speaker 1: they just happened to build a parking lot over it.
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Speaker 2: Right, like if it was like an abandoned empty lot
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Speaker 2: or something.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's a good question. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: They didn't find any they didn't find it incredible for
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Speaker 1: whatever reason, which I'm like ground penetrating radar. That's I think.
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Speaker 1: I feel like that's pretty accurate.
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Speaker 2: At least, like go and your own search. Yeah, it's
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Speaker 2: not like it was just him being like I sent
21:32
Speaker 2: something like he yeah, like.
21:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah. Not that that's a psychics too,
21:42
Speaker 1: And he wasn't a psychic. He was actually an engineer.
21:46
Speaker 1: He was just hired by a psychic. On that note, though,
21:48
Speaker 1: another theory is that the women were abducted by aliens.
21:52
Speaker 1: People believe this to be true because they just vanished
21:57
Speaker 1: into thin air without a trace. No, I know, I'm
22:01
Speaker 1: not laughing because like I know a lot of people
22:03
Speaker 1: believe in aliens, and I'm like, I don't know, gray
22:06
Speaker 1: area for me, no pun.
22:07
Speaker 2: Intended, But I I think there's something else out there,
22:14
Speaker 2: some other life form out there. I just in this
22:18
Speaker 2: case and in other cases, like in Bryceless Pisa, a
22:22
Speaker 2: lot of people think he was abducted by aliens. Like
22:26
Speaker 2: I just have trouble saying, yeah, that's what happened.
22:32
Speaker 1: Right, because it's like they there's I mean, there's no
22:36
Speaker 1: other logical explanation, so you have to think like otherworldly,
22:40
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, like the detective who said that they
22:44
Speaker 1: were rapture, right, you know, like right, I mean it
22:47
Speaker 1: just nothing else adds up, so you have to like
22:49
Speaker 1: get creative. And that's pretty creative.
22:52
Speaker 2: Yeah.
22:53
Speaker 1: Okay, So this last theory, I'm just gonna give a
22:59
Speaker 1: trigger warning. It's not it's not graphic and in any way,
23:04
Speaker 1: but it's it's kind of sad. And this is like
23:07
Speaker 1: the last kind of like major theory in the case.
23:10
Speaker 1: And it's called the Camp Winoka sighting, which is a
23:13
Speaker 1: camp that was local to that area.
23:16
Speaker 2: Why does Camp Winoka sound familiar?
23:20
Speaker 1: Have you ever been to the Ozarks?
23:21
Speaker 2: I don't know, no, right, I'm sure it's just.
23:26
Speaker 1: It's probably like a former reservation. So I was like
23:33
Speaker 1: reading about I was reading on the Sluice website. Sorry,
23:37
Speaker 1: I know, not a credible source, but they were talking
23:40
Speaker 1: about a lot of mysterious things happen at this Camp Winoka,
23:44
Speaker 1: and like I guess they at one point in time
23:47
Speaker 1: they had a girl scout camp there, and I guess
23:51
Speaker 1: like girl scouts got killed or went missing or something.
23:56
Speaker 1: There's just like a lot of seedy things that happen
24:00
Speaker 1: in this area. Okay, this will be another one. But
24:04
Speaker 1: allegedly a fifteen year old boy had been visiting his
24:07
Speaker 1: family close by and he had snuck out with his
24:10
Speaker 1: friend and they went to Camp Winoka. They were deep
24:15
Speaker 1: in the woods when they saw a van approach. Three
24:18
Speaker 1: men got out of the van and with them were
24:21
Speaker 1: three terrified women. The women were begging for their lives.
24:26
Speaker 1: The boys were hiding, and they saw them all get
24:31
Speaker 1: murdered after being sexually assaulted. Then the three men took
24:35
Speaker 1: the bodies and left. So this was written on a
24:39
Speaker 1: blog post. This fifteen year old boy wrote about it
24:42
Speaker 1: on a blog post. I don't know how old he
24:44
Speaker 1: was when he actually wrote it. And then he actually
24:47
Speaker 1: went on to say that the events of that night
24:52
Speaker 1: affected his friend so greatly that he took his own life.
24:55
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So a lot of people think that
24:58
Speaker 1: this is this is potentially credible, and there's even investigators
25:02
Speaker 1: in the case who think that this is the most
25:05
Speaker 1: credible theory of all. But they have absolutely no proof
25:12
Speaker 1: except for eyewitness and they don't even know if it
25:15
Speaker 1: was those girls because it was so dark they couldn't
25:18
Speaker 1: see the women. Wow.
25:20
Speaker 2: Okay.
25:21
Speaker 1: There have been several persons of interest in these three
25:24
Speaker 1: women's disappearance, one of them being Cheryl's son, which is
25:28
Speaker 1: also Susie's brother, Bart. Evidently, Bart had gotten into a
25:32
Speaker 1: lot of legal trouble before and after his mother and
25:35
Speaker 1: sister had gone missing. However, I think the police felt
25:39
Speaker 1: that he was acting out due to the fact that
25:42
Speaker 1: number one, his father had basically ran out on their family,
25:46
Speaker 1: and he was now dealing with the guilt in mourning
25:49
Speaker 1: the loss of his mom and sister, all of which
25:52
Speaker 1: I could totally see causing a person not to make
25:55
Speaker 1: the best decisions. Yeah, there wasn't a lot of an
26:00
Speaker 1: elaboration as to what exactly he did, but you know,
26:03
Speaker 1: he had in trouble with the law and like had
26:05
Speaker 1: issues with drugs and stuff. Okay, As I mentioned, earlier.
26:10
Speaker 1: Susie's ex boyfriend Mike, was also a person of interest,
26:13
Speaker 1: but police didn't seem to think that three young men
26:16
Speaker 1: could pull off kidnapping and getting rid of three women's
26:19
Speaker 1: bodies potentially without any evidence, seeing as they couldn't even
26:24
Speaker 1: rob a grave without getting caught. True, so they were suspects,
26:30
Speaker 1: but they were not suspects for very long, okay. Another
26:34
Speaker 1: potential suspect was Steve Garrison. This poor excuse of a
26:38
Speaker 1: human told police that a friend of his had confessed
26:43
Speaker 1: to killing the three women during a party. He told
26:46
Speaker 1: police information unknown to the public that led investigators to
26:51
Speaker 1: serve three search warrants at two sites in Webster County.
26:55
Speaker 1: He claimed they would find the women's bodies and clues
26:59
Speaker 1: about their abduction and deaths at these locations.
27:02
Speaker 2: Okay.
27:03
Speaker 1: He also stated that the green van believed to be
27:07
Speaker 1: used to take the women could be found about twelve
27:10
Speaker 1: miles away from said location. However, there is no evidence
27:15
Speaker 1: linking Garrison to the crime, and of course, no bodies
27:18
Speaker 1: or evidence were found at these locations, these undisclosed locations.
27:24
Speaker 2: But he did say something that was more than public.
27:29
Speaker 1: Knowledge, right right, and we don't know what that is. Unfortunately.
27:34
Speaker 1: So Garrison is currently serving forty years in prison for raping, sodomizing,
27:39
Speaker 1: and terrorizing a female Springfield College student, which he committed
27:45
Speaker 1: this crime in the summer of ninety three, just a
27:48
Speaker 1: year after the three women went missing.
27:50
Speaker 2: What a just disgusting person.
27:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they felt like he was a good contender
27:58
Speaker 1: for this, but again he got caught for doing this
28:02
Speaker 1: to someone, Like, how could he get away with right
28:07
Speaker 1: disappearing three women. Another potential suspect was Jerry Gary, who
28:14
Speaker 1: cares Carnahan. He was briefly considered a suspect due to
28:18
Speaker 1: the nature of his crimes, but was pretty quickly ruled
28:21
Speaker 1: out due to there being no evidence to tie him
28:24
Speaker 1: to the disappearance of the three missing women. Okay, I
28:29
Speaker 1: just threw that in there because it was in the notes, right.
28:34
Speaker 2: It sounds like in the Madeline McCann case, when there
28:37
Speaker 2: were like a million suspects along the way that there
28:41
Speaker 2: was just no evidence.
28:41
Speaker 1: Lin came out, right. So the last potential suspect was
28:46
Speaker 1: and is I guess Robert Craig Cox. Cox was convicted
28:51
Speaker 1: of raping and killing a nineteen year old Florida woman.
28:55
Speaker 1: Her name was Sharon Zeller's who he enters accepted while
29:01
Speaker 1: she was driving home from work. And guess where she worked?
29:05
Speaker 1: Disney World. No, you know, in nineteen seventy eight. Unfortunately,
29:11
Speaker 1: the case was weak and Cox was not charged until
29:16
Speaker 1: eight years after the murder.
29:19
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
29:20
Speaker 1: Cox and his family were staying at a motel in
29:22
Speaker 1: Orlando near where the victim's body was found. He had
29:26
Speaker 1: cut or he had bit off his tongue, essentially bit
29:30
Speaker 1: off the tip of his tongue, and police found hair
29:33
Speaker 1: and blood samples near the victim and in her vehicle
29:37
Speaker 1: that were compatible with Coxes. Because again, you know, it's
29:40
Speaker 1: like the eighties or whatever. At this point, Cox, who
29:43
Speaker 1: lived in Springfield the summer of nineteen ninety two, walked
29:48
Speaker 1: away from death row in nineteen eighty nine after the
29:51
Speaker 1: Florida Supreme Court said the jury did not have enough
29:55
Speaker 1: evidence to convict him of this murder.
30:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that up to the jury.
30:04
Speaker 1: No? Not when it comes to the Supreme Court. I
30:06
Speaker 1: think the Supreme Court has precedence over.
30:10
Speaker 2: So why the hell does the Supreme Court care about
30:15
Speaker 2: this first guy?
30:16
Speaker 1: I don't know, not enough evidence that his blood and
30:20
Speaker 1: his hair were there?
30:21
Speaker 2: What do you mean, right?
30:24
Speaker 1: What the fuck so crazy? After he was released, he
30:28
Speaker 1: was immediately taken into custody to complete a prison sentence
30:32
Speaker 1: in California for an unrelated nineteen eighty five kidnapping. Okay,
30:40
Speaker 1: and then he returned to his hometown of Springfield, Missouri.
30:44
Speaker 1: And like I mentioned, he would have been in the
30:46
Speaker 1: area in nineteen ninety two when the three women went missing.
30:51
Speaker 2: Okay.
30:52
Speaker 1: It was also alleged that Cox worked at a car
30:56
Speaker 1: dealership that was owned by Stacy's father. Interesting, Okay, there
31:02
Speaker 1: is speculation that they never cross pass, but.
31:07
Speaker 2: I don't know, right.
31:09
Speaker 1: He also had a very loose alibi for the morning
31:12
Speaker 1: the woman. He also had a loose alibi for the
31:16
Speaker 1: morning the women went missing.
31:21
Speaker 2: Do you hear any?
31:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what he's doing. He needs to
31:27
Speaker 1: be in bed. It's like almost nine in nineteen ninety five.
31:32
Speaker 1: So this fucker just keeps getting let off for everything
31:35
Speaker 1: under the sun. In nineteen ninety five, he was finally
31:40
Speaker 1: arrested for holding a gun on a twelve year old
31:43
Speaker 1: girl during a robbery in Decanter. No Decatur, Decatur, Texas.
31:51
Speaker 2: Well, I know there's a Decatur, Illinois.
31:53
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, there's a Decatur Texas. I don't know why
31:56
Speaker 1: I put it in in there, like thinking about wine
31:58
Speaker 1: or something. I don't know. And he is currently, thank
32:03
Speaker 1: the Lord, serving a life sentence for that robbery and
32:06
Speaker 1: is not eligible for parole until twenty twenty five, which
32:11
Speaker 1: I don't still will never understand what they call it
32:13
Speaker 1: a life's sentence if they're eligible for parole.
32:16
Speaker 2: Ever, Yeah, I don't understand that either. Also, twenty twenty
32:20
Speaker 2: five is not that far away.
32:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like four years away. Yeah, hopefully he will
32:27
Speaker 1: not get it based on all these other things, because
32:32
Speaker 1: even though he was dismissed or whatever and found not
32:38
Speaker 1: guilty or whatever, they need to take all that stuff
32:42
Speaker 1: into consideration.
32:43
Speaker 2: So I have a question, and you probably won't know
32:46
Speaker 2: the answer to this either, But if he was like
32:49
Speaker 2: double jeopardy is a thing, right, But if he was
32:54
Speaker 2: charged by a jury and then the Supreme Court overturned it,
33:00
Speaker 2: may not do another trial because the Supreme Court just said, no,
33:05
Speaker 2: he's not involved, or did the Supreme Court say based
33:09
Speaker 2: on this trial the jury did not have enough evidence,
33:12
Speaker 2: because then it would feel like a mis trial.
33:15
Speaker 1: So the way I understand it is, if you are
33:18
Speaker 1: convicted of the crime, which I think he initially was
33:21
Speaker 1: they cannot recharge you for the same crime.
33:24
Speaker 2: Regardless regard because it wouldn't be a mistrial because he
33:28
Speaker 2: was actually convicted.
33:30
Speaker 1: He was, yeah, he was tried, because I think a
33:33
Speaker 1: mistrial has to be like called before the the Uh,
33:38
Speaker 1: what is it, I'm dying a defendant, no defendant, no
33:44
Speaker 1: convention for covenant conviction, the person the criminal is tried
33:52
Speaker 1: the defendant. But it's a word with the sea that's
33:56
Speaker 1: not criminal. I don't know.
33:58
Speaker 2: I'm ready for I can't think of either. Okay, whatever,
34:02
Speaker 2: you guys know what we're talking about.
34:03
Speaker 1: Okay. I wonder people think we're dumb anyway, they're not.
34:09
Speaker 1: It's just late. Well it's not even late for you,
34:11
Speaker 1: but you worked all day and it's late here. So
34:14
Speaker 1: that's our story and we're sinking to it.
34:16
Speaker 2: All I can think about is the raising Caines, I'm
34:18
Speaker 2: gonna get woman. So okay.
34:23
Speaker 1: Through the years, Cox has toyed with Springfield police, saying
34:26
Speaker 1: he knows the women are dead and that they're buried
34:29
Speaker 1: near the city. His former girlfriend also recanted her statement,
34:34
Speaker 1: which proved Cox lied about his alibi on the morning
34:37
Speaker 1: the women went missing. So I guess said he had
34:39
Speaker 1: a loose alibi, and she pretty much recanted everything she said.
34:44
Speaker 2: Okay.
34:44
Speaker 1: Cox also claimed that he would ford, Oh, he would
34:49
Speaker 1: come forward with what actually happened to the women once
34:53
Speaker 1: his mother was no longer alive.
34:56
Speaker 2: Interesting.
34:57
Speaker 1: A little fun fact about mister Cox, mister Cox sucker anyway,
35:04
Speaker 1: was he was formerly in the army and he was
35:08
Speaker 1: also an army ranger, and police believed that he would
35:13
Speaker 1: know how to stay calm in a heavy situation because
35:17
Speaker 1: when he was being questioned by investigators, he was like
35:22
Speaker 1: super calm, super cool, super collected, and he would kind
35:25
Speaker 1: of like take control of the conversation, which that's like psychopath,
35:31
Speaker 1: Like I don't.
35:33
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, like yeah, jeez, okay.
35:38
Speaker 1: Police believed that the profile for this case and whoever
35:41
Speaker 1: did this was in it to harm these women, either
35:46
Speaker 1: randomly or purposefully. Robbery obviously doesn't seem to be the call,
35:51
Speaker 1: since their purses, jewelry, and money were untouched. Yeah, because
35:55
Speaker 1: later they realized that Cheryl had like one hundred and
35:59
Speaker 1: thirty dollars in cash and or purse. Okay, because it's
36:03
Speaker 1: like the nineties, everybody had cash back then. They believed
36:06
Speaker 1: that Cheryl or Susie must have been the target since
36:09
Speaker 1: it was their home and Stacy was just unfortunately in
36:13
Speaker 1: the wrong place at the wrong time. They also believe
36:16
Speaker 1: it was someone who didn't know Susie's plan for that
36:19
Speaker 1: evening since she had planned to sleep away from home,
36:22
Speaker 1: or it was someone who saw Susie and Stacy that
36:26
Speaker 1: night and decided to follow them home. Okay, there's also
36:30
Speaker 1: the case of how could three women be taken by
36:34
Speaker 1: one person? Was it more than one person? Or would
36:39
Speaker 1: it be easy to subdue Susie and Stacy if Cheryl
36:42
Speaker 1: was already taken in You know your teenagers, they're scared.
36:46
Speaker 1: I could see that.
36:48
Speaker 2: Yeah.
36:48
Speaker 1: The Springfield Police Department has had other experts of cold cases,
36:52
Speaker 1: such as the FBI look at the files, but nothing
36:55
Speaker 1: new has come from those fresh set of eyes taking
36:58
Speaker 1: a look. Police refer to this case as the perfect
37:02
Speaker 1: crime due to their being no leads, no real evidence,
37:05
Speaker 1: and no concrete suspects. There are a slew of unanswered
37:11
Speaker 1: questions when it comes to this case. How can three
37:15
Speaker 1: grown women just disappear without a trace. In nineteen ninety seven,
37:20
Speaker 1: Cheryl and Susie were legally declared deceased. However, as of
37:25
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, the case of the three missing women
37:28
Speaker 1: is still open and cold, and Cheryl Lovitt, Susie Streeter,
37:33
Speaker 1: and Stacy McCall are still considered missing.
37:37
Speaker 2: Wow.
37:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, So before I close the story, I just have
37:43
Speaker 1: two little tidbits of information that I didn't know where
37:46
Speaker 1: to kind of stick in to all of this. The
37:49
Speaker 1: first one being that there was a can you hear them?
37:54
Speaker 1: They're like so free ham gosh, sorry guys, that's my child.
38:01
Speaker 1: There was a missing woman named Cassidy Rainwater who disappeared
38:06
Speaker 1: in a similar area to the Springfield three. I think
38:11
Speaker 1: it was like a couple of towns over, not actually
38:13
Speaker 1: in Springfield, and the Armchair Detectives the sluice they feel
38:20
Speaker 1: like it is related to the Springfield three case based
38:24
Speaker 1: on there being rumors that the van that was seen, yeah,
38:31
Speaker 1: are allegedly seen at Ryl and Susie's house was also
38:35
Speaker 1: seen in relation to this to Cassidy's case. However, everything
38:41
Speaker 1: is just speculation. Nothing has been confirmed. And I mean,
38:44
Speaker 1: it would be great if this would lead to everyone
38:47
Speaker 1: getting found, but as of right now, it's just all
38:50
Speaker 1: hearsay in speculation. Right. The last thing, and this is
38:55
Speaker 1: gonna kind of like rock everybody socks a little bit.
38:59
Speaker 1: But if you remember at the beginning of the story
39:03
Speaker 1: when I talked about them disposing of the glass that
39:07
Speaker 1: was on the porch, right, and they disposed of it
39:11
Speaker 1: to the neighbors who happened to be a dentist office. Yeah,
39:17
Speaker 1: so I listened to the last episode of that podcast
39:20
Speaker 1: that I was listening to. It's called The Springfield Three.
39:22
Speaker 1: I will have it linked in the show notes below.
39:25
Speaker 1: But they actually received a message from the daughter of
39:29
Speaker 1: the dentist who says that her father did see that
39:34
Speaker 1: green van that evening and the day before, and then
39:38
Speaker 1: it was actually parked. I believe it was parked on
39:41
Speaker 1: his property, but it was like towards the back, so
39:44
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be able to see it from the front
39:46
Speaker 1: of the home. Okay, And that's really all that we
39:50
Speaker 1: know about that as of right now. But I'm going
39:53
Speaker 1: to continue. Yeah, I'm going to continue to keep an
39:59
Speaker 1: eye on that podcast because the I think her name
40:02
Speaker 1: is Annie. I'm sorry if I don't remember your name,
40:06
Speaker 1: but the host I think her name is Annie. She
40:09
Speaker 1: said that they're gonna have more episodes coming out as
40:13
Speaker 1: things hopefully progress. Even if it goes nowhere, but I
40:16
Speaker 1: just wanted to add that in because I thought that
40:18
Speaker 1: was very interesting. Yeah, yeah, so wow.
40:21
Speaker 2: Okay, that is.
40:23
Speaker 1: The case of the Springfield Three. They are still missing.
40:27
Speaker 1: I will have I did post some pictures of them,
40:30
Speaker 1: but when this episode goes live, I will post like
40:34
Speaker 1: some age progression pictures, okay, because Susie and Stacey would
40:39
Speaker 1: be forty seven and forty eight now, and Cheryl would
40:43
Speaker 1: be like in her seventies. And then I'll post like
40:46
Speaker 1: a picture of the house so you can get like
40:48
Speaker 1: a better visual of like how that all went down.
40:51
Speaker 1: But otherwise, for now, that's all we have on that case.
40:55
Speaker 1: Hopefully there will be some developments sooner than later, and
41:00
Speaker 1: if there are, of course we will keep you guys updated.
41:03
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41:23
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41:27
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41:30
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41:33
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41:35
Speaker 2: That was really crazy yeah, wow, I need I want
41:42
Speaker 2: to know what I know.
41:44
Speaker 1: This is gonna be one of those cases that like
41:46
Speaker 1: I think about all the time that keeps me up at.
41:48
Speaker 2: Night, Like yeah, I feel like so many that are
41:52
Speaker 2: like that for me. I've heard so many times, so
41:54
Speaker 2: I'm like used to it, you know, like when you
41:57
Speaker 2: told the briceless Pisa case, I'm like, Okay, I want
42:00
Speaker 2: to know what happened, but I've heard that before, whereas
42:03
Speaker 2: this one, like I haven't heard it before. So now
42:05
Speaker 2: I'm like, I need to know more.
42:07
Speaker 1: I know, I want to know more too, But that's
42:11
Speaker 1: all we have for now, I really hope. I mean, gosh,
42:15
Speaker 1: it's been almost thirty years, like I know, and no evidence.
42:20
Speaker 1: It would be different if there was, like you know,
42:23
Speaker 1: some bloods and hay rays and something that they could like,
42:27
Speaker 1: but literally not anything. No.
42:30
Speaker 2: Wow.
42:31
Speaker 1: But thank you guys so much for listening, and until
42:35
Speaker 1: next week, keep it human.
42:38
Speaker 2: Bye