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Hutton & Withrow: Titans in Fantasyland: Cam Ward, Robert Saleh Under Fire; Pat McAfee Death Threats | Hour 1 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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Speaker 1: We are out of the gates on sport and state.
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Speaker 1: It's Hutton Withrow presented by Hard Rock Bet. Glad you're
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Speaker 1: with us this morning. Chad, good to see you. Good
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Speaker 1: to see you, Hutton.
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Speaker 2: Excited to bang some hats here on this Thursday. We're
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Speaker 2: going to do that.
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Speaker 1: We've got David Pollitt coming up a little bit later
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Speaker 1: in today's program, plus one big thing on every NFL game,
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Speaker 1: details on why the Sunday night game is so bad.
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Speaker 1: I'm bringing some behind-the-scenes info on that, on why the
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Speaker 1: game was not flexed. Chad, we will not see the
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Speaker 1: Titans games flexed. Even though Robert Sala and Cam Ward
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Speaker 1: and practically anyone else over there, they want everyone to
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Speaker 1: believe that there is progress with their process. They are
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Speaker 1: all about the narrative. And man, are they spewing literally anything,
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Speaker 1: hoping it sticks.
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Speaker 2: And they flex a game to Dubai because that's the
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Speaker 2: only option right now for the NFL is to remove
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Speaker 2: this game from the United States, punish the Tennessee Titans
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Speaker 2: and their fans. Well, I don't know if it's punishing
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Speaker 2: the fans, honestly, to not have to watch this team,
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Speaker 2: but make them play at 5 a.m. in the Middle
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Speaker 2: East somewhere. The NFL wants to play every week, everywhere,
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Speaker 2: and eventually be completely international, so why not flex the
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Speaker 2: Titans out of this country, not into a primetime slot
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Speaker 2: for fans in the United States to watch this team. Hutton,
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Speaker 2: this is a group that just continues to live in
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Speaker 2: their own little fantasy land. If someone disagrees with them,
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Speaker 2: they kick them out of the media pool. They want
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Speaker 2: to correct people on different things that are happening. It
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Speaker 2: is an insulated bunch that's super scared of getting fired
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Speaker 2: because of how bad things are going. So they're always,
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Speaker 2: they got one eye on the side door, making sure
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Speaker 2: that Miss Amy's not coming through to get rid of
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Speaker 2: them and replace them with someone else. And because of that,
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Speaker 2: and because they just, I don't know if they think
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Speaker 2: everybody that listens to them is stupid or if they
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Speaker 2: truly believe the fantasy world they've built for themselves. But
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Speaker 2: this is a group that is completely detached from reality.
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Speaker 2: I think we had two examples of this yesterday with
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Speaker 2: both head coach Robert Sala and with starting quarterback Cam Ward.
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Speaker 2: Starting with Robert Sala, I don't need to hear from
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Speaker 2: Robert Sala about a rookie who's going to be a
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Speaker 2: legend of the organization given his current contribution to this organization.
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Speaker 2: But here's what he had to say about Keldrick Falk.
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Speaker 3: Caldrick Falk is going to be a, I'll stamp that one,
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Speaker 3: he's going to be a.
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Speaker 2: Hell of a football player.
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Speaker 3: Especially as he gets another off-season of an NFL program,
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Speaker 3: gets bigger, gets stronger, understands football and gets more reps.
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Speaker 3: He's going to be one of the, I would argue,
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Speaker 3: when his career is said and done, he's going to
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Speaker 3: be recognized as one of the Titans' greats.
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Speaker 2: Put him up there with Javon Kers, Chad. I mean,
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Speaker 2: the ring of honor, Hutton, is beckoning for Keldrick Falk
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Speaker 2: based on this.
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Speaker 1: Why is it so difficult to expect players to contribute
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Speaker 1: as a rookie? I mean, how many people, by show
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Speaker 1: of hands, forgot that Keldrick Falk was a first-round pick?
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Speaker 2: You know? Like, you draft him in the first round
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Speaker 2: to contribute this year. Why else? They keep saying he's
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Speaker 2: the youngest player in the league. He's not.
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Speaker 1: He's the third youngest on his team. That's what's so funny.
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Speaker 1: They're spewing the youngest player in the league. He's not
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Speaker 1: even the youngest on his team, Chad. You've got two
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Speaker 1: others that are younger. Anthony Hill and Carnell Tate, both
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Speaker 1: younger than Keldrick Falk. But yet he's just so young
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Speaker 1: that he's going to contribute next year, not this year.
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Speaker 2: And both doing so much more than Keldrick Falk, by
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Speaker 2: the way. A first-round draft pick also. And I know
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Speaker 2: Carnell Tate is as well, but Hill doing far more.
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Speaker 2: It's crazy. And Robert Sala, though, has even, in his
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Speaker 2: limited time in reality, has acknowledged that Cam Ward needs
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Speaker 2: to work on his footwork. He did say that he
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Speaker 2: needs to improve, that he continues to fall back into
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Speaker 2: bad footwork habits. But Cam Ward, when asked about his footwork,
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Speaker 2: hey guys, no problem. Nothing to see here. Here's Cam Ward.
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Speaker 2: I think I'm very good at the footwork right now.
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Speaker 4: I've grown in that aspect from Not only last year,
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Speaker 4: but previous years. But that's something that's going to continue
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Speaker 4: to get better throughout my career. Something that's not going
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Speaker 4: to change overnight. Something that's never going to be perfected
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Speaker 4: in the day because stuff happens.
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Speaker 2: In the game that you can't predict in practice.
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Speaker 4: It's more just continuing to stay balanced and staying.
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Speaker 2: Flat through my throws.
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Speaker 4: As I do that, continue to build, connect to my
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Speaker 4: receivers and those.
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Speaker 2: Guys make plays. How was your footwork on the Bellinger play?
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Speaker 4: What'd you say?
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Speaker 2: How was your footwork on the Bellinger throw? You want
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Speaker 2: to miss him?
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Speaker 3: I think it's pretty good.
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Speaker 4: I think I just got happy on the throw. I
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Speaker 4: think I could have just threw it with more air
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Speaker 4: instead of trying to drive it to him. And that's
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Speaker 4: when I got to hit him more for sure.
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Speaker 5: So how often when you turn on the tape and
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Speaker 5: you see a throw that you don't like, how often
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Speaker 5: do you attribute that to the footwork versus something else?
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Speaker 4: It just depends. On that throw that he referenced, it's
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Speaker 4: really more of just trying to get it to him
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Speaker 4: so fast that he's just laying.
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Speaker 2: One up for him for a touchdown. What about the interceptions?
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Speaker 4: In the session, just a bad ball. Footwork's fine, just
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Speaker 4: got to throw it in front of Elliott. But then
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Speaker 4: just other players just continue to, you know, hit my
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Speaker 4: back foot, get one hitch or two hitches, depending on
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Speaker 4: the cost of business, getting the ball in the right area.
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Speaker 2: I mean, what? There is a huge disconnect there. Massive.
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Speaker 1: Well, the coach on Sunday is talking about how he
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Speaker 1: needs to improve his footwork and how it's difficult to
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Speaker 1: train yourself to go away from bad habits. And then
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Speaker 1: today or yesterday, you've got Cam Ward saying, oh, my
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Speaker 1: foot works pretty good.
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Speaker 2: What?
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Speaker 1: Where is the leadership in any of that, Chad? There's
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Speaker 1: nothing there.
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Speaker 2: You're right. They think we're all dumb.
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Speaker 1: And we're just spinning like a top trying to figure
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Speaker 1: out what this guy is actually trying to say there.
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Speaker 2: Because he's saying absolutely nothing.
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Speaker 6: He's wrong.
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Speaker 2: It should be a time of growth for the Titans, right?
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Speaker 2: You've hinted at this a lot. This is a big
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Speaker 2: business year for this team in terms of the stadium.
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Speaker 2: I passed it the other day and got to see
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Speaker 2: it from the north side of town for the first time.
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Speaker 2: It's beautiful. This beautiful new building. I see where Nashville's
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Speaker 2: one of seven finalists for five different men's Final Fours
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Speaker 2: coming up from 2032 at some point. They're going to
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Speaker 2: be getting all these big events going. The Titans are
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Speaker 2: going to be the main tenant of that building. This
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Speaker 2: should be a time to grow your fan base, to
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Speaker 2: grow your interest in the city. And I see things
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Speaker 2: like this where the head coach and the quarterback either
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Speaker 2: are dumb or are treating every Titans fan like they're dumb.
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Speaker 2: Either one is not good, by the way. Both help
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Speaker 2: in killing a fan base. And then all these other
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Speaker 2: things that are going on around the team and how
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Speaker 2: bad they are. And they've created these two different groups
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Speaker 2: of anybody who pays attention to the Titans. One group
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Speaker 2: is going to defend everything they do because they've got
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Speaker 2: some sort of Titans flame in their Twitter avatar. Right.
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Speaker 2: And they're just there to be Titans Twitter and to,
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Speaker 2: you know, call me retarded or call Jared Stone retarded.
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Speaker 2: They were given a free jersey. They were given a
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Speaker 2: free jersey. They're Titan for life. Make fun of how
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Speaker 2: somebody looks. In their profile, and then they're going to
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Speaker 2: sit there and defend everything that happens with Cam Ward
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Speaker 2: or Sala or everyone else. That group is pretty small.
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Speaker 2: It's loud, but it's pretty small. The other group is
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Speaker 2: most people in Middle Tennessee or the state of Tennessee
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Speaker 2: that simply want the Titans to do well. They want
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Speaker 2: them to be a good football team. They want them
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Speaker 2: to be competent. They want them to have good ownership.
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Speaker 2: They want to get excited about a game on a
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Speaker 2: Sunday because it matters. And it doesn't just matter for
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Speaker 2: draft position week after week. And that group, Hutton, which
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Speaker 2: I think now is probably 90% of the fan base,
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Speaker 2: and then the other 10% is that loud vocal minority
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about, that group is so apathetic because they
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Speaker 2: hear BS like this from their head coach and their
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Speaker 2: quarterback saying, And they think either I'm dumb or they
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Speaker 2: think I'm dumb or they're dumb. Any of these possible
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Speaker 2: scenarios are bad for the Tennessee Titans. It's not getting
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Speaker 2: any better. It's getting worse somehow. And every time we
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Speaker 2: think this team hits rock bottom, something like this happens
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Speaker 2: where I just hear a press conference and multiple instances
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Speaker 2: of they're completely full of it. They are completely full
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Speaker 2: of it, and they fully expect you, the Titans fan,
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Speaker 2: to buy what they are selling, and it's pathetic. Well,
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Speaker 2: they repeat the same lines. They just insert keyword here.
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Speaker 1: So what Salah said about Keldrick Falk, he said about
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Speaker 1: Cam Ward, where he said, I'll put my stamp on it.
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Speaker 1: My job's on the line or whatever. I'll put my
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Speaker 1: job behind.
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Speaker 2: It, of course.
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Speaker 1: He's going to be good. He's going to be great. Well,
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Speaker 1: I mean, of course they drafted him there. It wasn't Salah.
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Speaker 1: But he's on board with this. And, I mean, you
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Speaker 1: can't do anything to Cam Ward. He's got his own
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Speaker 1: quarterback coach, apparently. I thought Brian Dable was coming in
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Speaker 1: to make him accurate. And instead, this guy thinks his
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Speaker 1: footwork is good. It's nonsensical. It's total nonsense. And then
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Speaker 1: the whole Keldrick Falk thing. I think he's just randomly
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Speaker 1: saying stuff. You know, he's like, oh, he's going to
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Speaker 1: be great. Does the coach want to be here whenever
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Speaker 1: that happens? I thought that this is supposed to be
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Speaker 1: a first-round pick that comes in and helps you. And instead,
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Speaker 1: have we even mentioned Keldrick Falk on the show?
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Speaker 2: I don't think we have.
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Speaker 1: They have two first-round picks, not just one. And we
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Speaker 1: have acted like there's only one because this guy doesn't
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Speaker 1: show up. I mean, we don't, we don't call his name.
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Speaker 1: We don't hear his name.
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Speaker 2: I also just the, the arrogance, the audacity. I mean, look,
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Speaker 2: the Titans don't have the longest, most illustrious, you know,
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Speaker 2: history in the NFL or anything. So I'm not comparing
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Speaker 2: them to the green Bay Packers or the Dallas Cowboys or, or,
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Speaker 2: or any of these teams, or even the Chicago bears
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Speaker 2: of the past, but, Dude, how dare you? You're 1-6,
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Speaker 2: and you're going to sit there and tell the Titans, boy,
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Speaker 2: this guy is going to be a legend of your organization.
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Speaker 2: Let me tell you, I know about legends, and this guy,
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to hear that from a
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Speaker 2: coach who's in his first year and is 1-6 talking about,
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Speaker 2: this will be one of the legends of this franchise.
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Speaker 2: I mean, think about any coach that gets anywhere that's
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Speaker 2: had zero success at his previous stop and is now
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Speaker 2: having zero success at his first stop trying to tell me,
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Speaker 2: a season ticket holder, if I am one, that this
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Speaker 2: guy's going to be a legend of your organization and
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Speaker 2: he's going to be a Titans legend. Get out of
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Speaker 2: here with that.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, yeah, as a head coach, he's been awful. And,
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Speaker 1: you know, the record speaks for itself. And going back
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Speaker 1: to Keldrick, they traded up for him. They traded up
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Speaker 1: for him. So you're trading up for a developmental player
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Speaker 1: that's going to be good next year? Oh, wait until
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Speaker 1: next year? What are we talking about here? I thought
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Speaker 1: this was all gas, no brake. The rotation was going
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Speaker 1: to get after the quarterback.
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Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought up all gas, no brake, Hutton,
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Speaker 2: because that's one of the catchphrases they like to use.
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Speaker 1: You know who someone else would like to use catchphrases? Chad,
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Speaker 1: they used to like to use that. Well, they've used it.
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Speaker 1: They used to like to use it. Someone else who
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Speaker 1: liked to do that was Butch Jones. Here, we go
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Speaker 1: back to the podium where Buff Butch Jones is back
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Speaker 1: at it trying to tell someone some very important drops
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Speaker 1: of wisdom that he can't even remember.
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Speaker 7: Learning how to finish. In the most extreme times, and
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Speaker 7: that's what I talked to the team about today, when
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Speaker 7: you're at, and this is all of humans, it's not
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Speaker 7: just football players, but In the most adverse moment, in
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Speaker 7: the most pressure-packed moment, you're always going to revert. I'm
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Speaker 7: drawing a blank. Do you remember what I said?
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Speaker 2: No? Your preparation will always fall to the mean. I
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Speaker 2: think he was trying to think of the word revert, maybe.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Will always fall to the mean. Yeah. Look,
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Speaker 2: this guy increasingly is buff Butch Jones day after day.
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Speaker 2: Next thing, he's going to be reading excerpts from the
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Speaker 2: Energy Bus the way Butch Jones would or talking about
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Speaker 2: champions of life. At 1-7, let's say 1-10, if this
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Speaker 2: team gets there, Hudden, what is he going to be
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Speaker 2: referencing at that point with this team? I mean, it's
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Speaker 2: just one bit of nonsense after the next.
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Speaker 1: He comes across as just handcuffed. He's no different than
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Speaker 1: Mike McCoy, Chad. Because I'm going to go back to
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Speaker 1: what he said yesterday. What just really raised an eyebrow
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Speaker 1: for me is how he contradicts himself now based on
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Speaker 1: what he was saying in the preseason, in the offseason.
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Speaker 2: Because yesterday, the quote was this.
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Speaker 1: He says, and like I tell those guys, if we
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Speaker 1: hold up against Philadelphia and Cleveland and we're sitting there
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Speaker 1: at three and four, what's the narrative?
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Speaker 2: What's the talk on the offense now?
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Speaker 1: Or if we don't make that critical mistake in the
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Speaker 1: fourth quarter or that last drive, and it happened, but
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Speaker 1: If we make the play and now we're here at
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Speaker 1: four and three, what's the narrative? And so you just
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Speaker 1: try to keep the main thing the main thing with
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Speaker 1: this group. The key word there is narrative. Because let's
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Speaker 1: go back to August 17th when he joined the Rich
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Speaker 1: Eisen Show. And he said the one thing that he
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Speaker 1: learned from his time in New York was he didn't
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Speaker 1: want to care about the narrative and started to shape
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Speaker 1: it and care what people think.
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Speaker 8: Trying so hard to control narrative, uh, to, to keep
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Speaker 8: a positive light around the New York jets. It was,
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Speaker 8: it meant well, you know, I was, I was trying
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Speaker 8: to try my best to, to, to work with the
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Speaker 8: people around the building, uh, outside the building to, to
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Speaker 8: make sure that the messaging around the team wasn't a,
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Speaker 8: a way that, uh, allowed us to go operate when
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Speaker 8: in reality, none of that shit matters. Uh, when you win,
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Speaker 8: you're a winner. When you lose, you're a loser. And then,
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Speaker 8: and the narrative will be whatever that result is. And, uh,
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Speaker 8: And so focusing on our process, focusing on our players,
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Speaker 8: focusing on us is the only thing that matters. And
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Speaker 8: if you want the narrative to change, you've got to
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Speaker 8: win football.
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Speaker 1: See, that's the Robert Sala I liked. And now he's
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Speaker 1: talking about, well, what if we did this or that?
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Speaker 1: We'd be four and three and we shape the narrative.
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Speaker 1: He's doing exactly the same thing. He said with the Jets,
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Speaker 1: he cared too much about the narrative of the Jets.
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Speaker 1: Insert the word Titans there now. He's doing exactly the
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Speaker 1: same thing. And to me, that's the biggest red flag
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Speaker 1: from yesterday. was the fact that he did exactly what
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Speaker 1: he said he learned not to do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, now he's putting Keldrick Falk in the ring of
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Speaker 2: honor and stumbling over whatever catchphrase is going to be
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Speaker 2: next about preparation and overcoming adversity and everything else. You're right,
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Speaker 2: he is trying to narrative shape whatever's going on with
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Speaker 2: his team and whatever's happening in his tenure. And going
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Speaker 2: back to the Cam Ward thing also, I mean, again,
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Speaker 2: is he this delusional Does he truly believe that his
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Speaker 2: footwork is okay and that it's not an issue? Or
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Speaker 2: is he also lying to the media and the fans
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Speaker 2: that he's actually working on? I mean, at this point,
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Speaker 2: I'd prefer that he's just lying to the media and
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Speaker 2: he actually knows it's a problem and is working on it.
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Speaker 2: I've been watching this Mike Tyson documentary on Netflix. Really good,
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Speaker 2: by the way, if anybody wants to check it out.
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Speaker 2: Multi-part thing about his entire life. And I'm just in
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Speaker 2: the beginning where he's up in the Catskill Mountains training room.
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Speaker 2: after he got taken out of a youth detention facility
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Speaker 2: in New York where he grew up in Brownsville, Brooklyn,
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Speaker 2: and was known to punch old women in the mouth
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Speaker 2: and steal their purse as a kid. And he got
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Speaker 2: arrested 38 times before he finally was seen to be
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Speaker 2: a boxing talent.
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Speaker 5: 38?
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Speaker 2: 38 times. This is between age 12 and 13, by
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Speaker 2: the way, in one year.
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Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
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Speaker 2: He got taken off to a youth facility. He started
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Speaker 2: to train with a guard there who taught the kids boxing,
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Speaker 2: and they quickly realized this guy's got something. Yeah. He
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Speaker 2: went to go live with Customato, which I did not know.
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Speaker 2: From age 13 to 18, he lived in this country
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Speaker 2: house on a farm in the Catskill Mountains of New
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Speaker 2: York with five other boxers. They just trained. That lived
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Speaker 2: with the trainer Customato, famous trainer. Yeah. All right. Mike Tyson,
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Speaker 2: they talk about this, about brainwashing and how like he
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Speaker 2: was so defiant about he was going to make it
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Speaker 2: as a boxer and not be a criminal. And that
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Speaker 2: custom motto was this guy who was seen as an
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Speaker 2: authority that he didn't have a male authority figure in
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Speaker 2: his life before. And he said he was God to me.
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Speaker 2: Like what he said was the voice of God. Like
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Speaker 2: if he told me do this, I did it. Boxing
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Speaker 2: this style, I did it. If you do this, you're
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Speaker 2: going to be the greatest ever. I believed him. I
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Speaker 2: suddenly believed I could knock anyone out within one minute
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Speaker 2: every time I fought and then I was going to
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Speaker 2: be the greatest of all time because he said it.
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Speaker 2: That's a long story to get to this point. Who's
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Speaker 2: the god of Cam Ward? Who is the person in
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Speaker 2: the building or anybody in his life that can get
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Speaker 2: through to him and tell him, hey, man, you've got
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Speaker 2: to be more accountable? And see, you've got to also improve.
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Speaker 2: It's not your receiver's fault all the time. It's not
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Speaker 2: the offensive line. It's not that the offensive coordinator, by
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Speaker 2: the way, who's had a ton of success in the
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Speaker 2: league doesn't know what he's talking about. Because you've got
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Speaker 2: Robert Sala, who should, from a football perspective at least,
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Speaker 2: be his god in that locker room as the head coach.
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Speaker 2: He's saying the footwork's not good enough, and then Cam
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Speaker 2: Ward's going out there and saying the footwork's not a
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Speaker 2: problem at all. Who's the person that can get through
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Speaker 2: to Cam Ward and hold him accountable? Is anyone ever
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Speaker 2: critical in his life of his play? That's the sense
17:54
Speaker 2: I get with his dad going after people online and
17:58
Speaker 2: everything happening. I think he's got this insulated bubble that
18:02
Speaker 2: only sucks up to him and talks about how great
18:04
Speaker 2: he is and tells him how everybody around him's an
18:07
Speaker 2: idiot and they don't know what they're talking about. that's
18:10
Speaker 2: the delusion that I sense with Cam Ward.
18:13
Speaker 1: And the thing that just puzzles me is you have
18:16
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator, Brian Dable, who wanted to trade up
18:20
Speaker 1: and draft him because of the skill set that he
18:23
Speaker 1: saw from college. PK reported that with the two first-round
18:29
Speaker 1: picks or whatever it was, two first, two seconds. Point being,
18:32
Speaker 1: how is there this much disconnect in the fundamentals of
18:37
Speaker 1: the footwork of this where there's been no improvement. In fact,
18:43
Speaker 1: he's saying that he's good at it already. And that
18:49
Speaker 1: tells me he's not taking to coaching, right? I mean,
18:52
Speaker 1: it's almost as if like, hey, I threw for so
18:55
Speaker 1: many times that I hold the record in touchdown passes.
18:57
Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm good to go. Let's rock and roll.
19:00
Speaker 1: And you've got the coach who wanted to coach him
19:03
Speaker 1: and the coach who is known for improving the quarterbacks
19:07
Speaker 1: who come into the league and need help with accuracy.
19:11
Speaker 1: That puzzles me because we're only in week eight. It's
19:15
Speaker 1: not like we're in week 15 and all of a
19:17
Speaker 1: sudden you have this.
19:20
Speaker 2: Huge timeline here. We're in week eight.
19:24
Speaker 1: The solid cut from Rich Eisen was August 17th. I mean, again,
19:29
Speaker 1: totally different approach and mindset with these coaches now where
19:33
Speaker 1: it is total making sure that Cam's happy And this
19:38
Speaker 1: guy's just going and doing his thing. And you ask,
19:40
Speaker 1: does he believe it or is he lying? I think
19:41
Speaker 1: he believes it. I think he's hearing from the people
19:44
Speaker 1: that you just described. And anyone else is trying to
19:47
Speaker 1: change it, he's ignoring it. Or he's going through the motions.
19:50
Speaker 1: in practice and doing his own thing when the game
19:52
Speaker 1: rolls around. It's bizarre. But it's not like he just
19:57
Speaker 1: balls out in practice either. I mean, again, I'll go
20:00
Speaker 1: back to the camp. I'd never heard of like a
20:02
Speaker 1: consecutive week of just solid practice from him. I never
20:05
Speaker 1: saw things stacked. or heard things from him that stacked
20:09
Speaker 1: on good practice after good practice. It was one step forward,
20:11
Speaker 1: one step back. You can't move forward with that. And
20:16
Speaker 1: that's why I'm going back to, oh, let's evaluate him
20:18
Speaker 1: after the season. What are we going to see over
20:20
Speaker 1: the final 11 games or whatever it is that's going
20:23
Speaker 1: to change our mind about what we have seen over
20:25
Speaker 1: the last year and a half?
20:27
Speaker 2: I don't think we'll see that. I think it's nearly
20:29
Speaker 2: impossible to see that improvement now. Look, it sounds crazy too, Hutton,
20:34
Speaker 2: and this is kind of what you're saying about The
20:37
Speaker 2: need for improvement, but the unwillingness to improve from Cam Ward.
20:41
Speaker 2: He says he's good. I mean, what's the motivator to him, right?
20:44
Speaker 2: It's not all the losing because he's not fixing his
20:46
Speaker 2: footwork after all the losing. It's not criticism because he's
20:50
Speaker 2: getting criticized plenty now and it's not affecting him. I've
20:55
Speaker 2: said this before and I'll say it again. And you
20:58
Speaker 2: may think that I'm crazy for saying this, but I
21:00
Speaker 2: don't believe it. When you come at me or at
21:03
Speaker 2: us about our criticism of Cam Ward and defend him,
21:07
Speaker 2: and you blame the receivers and the defense and the
21:10
Speaker 2: offensive line, you are hurting his improvement. Because I believe
21:15
Speaker 2: Cam Ward is seeing that. I think someone in his
21:18
Speaker 2: camp is getting him all of the stuff that people
21:21
Speaker 2: are defending him about. that it's everybody else's fault. And
21:25
Speaker 2: I think he's listening to that more than whatever would
21:28
Speaker 2: be inside of any competitor that would drive them to
21:31
Speaker 2: do better after getting their ass kicked repeatedly on Sundays,
21:36
Speaker 2: after being criticized the level that he is, after seeing
21:39
Speaker 2: that chart we put up about most losses in the
21:42
Speaker 2: first two years of the NFL that he is going
21:45
Speaker 2: to destroy by the time he's done as the starting
21:48
Speaker 2: quarterback this year. None of this stuff motivates him to
21:51
Speaker 2: try to change and improve. Because it's the same stuff
21:54
Speaker 2: we're talking about that we saw at the very beginning
21:56
Speaker 2: of his career at the start of last season. So
22:00
Speaker 2: you are the problem too. If you were still defending
22:04
Speaker 2: Cam Ward, he's seeing it. He's got people in his
22:07
Speaker 2: camp that are telling him about it. And he's thinking, oh, look, yeah,
22:11
Speaker 2: they're right. Everybody else is wrong. The numbers are lying.
22:15
Speaker 2: The math is wrong. I'm a great quarterback and I'm
22:18
Speaker 2: just surrounded by a bunch of idiots.
22:20
Speaker 1: And again, like, He also sees the pro football focus
22:23
Speaker 1: grade where they said he was good this past week.
22:28
Speaker 1: Did I just dream up the bad performance where he's
22:31
Speaker 1: throwing for whatever, 100 plus yards? Again, Chad, it's a regression.
22:36
Speaker 1: I don't think we've seen vast improvement or an improvement
22:41
Speaker 1: to the level of what we should see in year two.
22:43
Speaker 2: We haven't seen that.
22:47
Speaker 1: They backed into wins last year too, but we at
22:50
Speaker 1: least saw some better We saw play that allowed people
22:55
Speaker 1: to have– they were optimistic.
23:00
Speaker 3: I'm not.
23:01
Speaker 2: I'm not anymore.
23:03
Speaker 1: I don't see the turnaround happening where you mentioned everyone's
23:06
Speaker 1: optimistic about the stadium. I don't know how you go
23:09
Speaker 1: into the stadium with him as a starter next year.
23:12
Speaker 1: I don't think it's possible if you.
23:13
Speaker 2: Want the fans. No, there's no way. There's no way
23:15
Speaker 2: that you could sell that to anybody. Chris in the
23:18
Speaker 2: chat says, why do you guys talk about this crap team? Nobody–
23:21
Speaker 2: cares about this team. That is increasingly becoming that 80%
23:25
Speaker 2: to 90% that we talked about. It's exactly what Chris
23:28
Speaker 2: is laying out right there. It's not anger. It's not
23:31
Speaker 2: even disappointment. It's apathy. Well, it's I no longer care
23:36
Speaker 2: because of the way this has gone for years now,
23:39
Speaker 2: and there's no improvement, and it's a team that lives
23:42
Speaker 2: in fantasy land.
23:43
Speaker 1: I will say, though, I think part of it, too,
23:45
Speaker 1: is fans are now calling out the Titans. We haven't
23:48
Speaker 1: seen that. where there's been apathy, yes. They've gone through
23:53
Speaker 1: some lows. But now they're calling out the way that
23:56
Speaker 1: they do business. And the business is not football. The
24:01
Speaker 1: football organization needs to get back to being a football organization.
24:04
Speaker 1: And I think that's what the majority of fans are
24:06
Speaker 1: saying here. It's like, this is not getting any better.
24:08
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who's coaching this team. It doesn't matter
24:11
Speaker 1: who's the quarterback. It's one move here, one move there.
24:16
Speaker 1: We're tired of it. There's no consistency. And there's no
24:20
Speaker 1: consistency in the coaching to the player here. And there
24:23
Speaker 1: should be. I mean, we have the background of Dable
24:30
Speaker 1: to say we should be seeing better results than this.
24:34
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about wins and losses. I'm talking about
24:37
Speaker 1: the footwork stuff where they have said they've worked on
24:39
Speaker 1: this with him. And now he's at the podium going
24:42
Speaker 1: into week eight telling PK and Easton, yeah, I think
24:46
Speaker 1: I'm good.
24:47
Speaker 2: I think I'm good. Yeah, it's crazy. It's stupid. It's nonsensical. Narrative.
24:53
Speaker 1: I think I learned not to shape the narrative. Oh,
24:55
Speaker 1: what would the narrative be if we were four and three? Well,
24:58
Speaker 1: you'd be four and three.
25:00
Speaker 2: You wouldn't be this. Chad, coming up, we talk Pat McAfee. Yeah,
25:05
Speaker 2: so he overreacted to the video of the Utah students.
25:11
Speaker 2: I don't know, mocking him or doing an impression of him.
25:15
Speaker 2: After yesterday's post from McAfee, we now understand where the
25:19
Speaker 2: overreaction was coming from. We got that coming up.
25:23
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Speaker 1: So Pat McAfee has come back to explain where he's
26:30
Speaker 1: coming from on his reaction to, how would you describe this, Chad?
26:38
Speaker 1: It was a PG version of.
26:41
Speaker 2: Trash talk.
26:42
Speaker 1: Well, it was just like, I mean, it was a
26:45
Speaker 1: very Utah version of like, Hey, what is.
26:49
Speaker 2: Pat McAfee going to say today? And it was like
26:51
Speaker 2: a kid doing a Pat McAfee impression. Then it was
26:53
Speaker 2: another guy saying, you don't have to take your shirt off.
26:56
Speaker 2: It was pretty lame, honestly, all the way around.
26:59
Speaker 1: He was upset that the university had reposted it and
27:02
Speaker 1: really pushed it because he shared some threatening direct messages,
27:06
Speaker 1: noting that while some came from anonymous trolls, others came
27:10
Speaker 1: from verifiable individuals, such as a man in Ohio who
27:13
Speaker 1: described violent scenarios and McAfee's demise in explicit detail. And
27:20
Speaker 1: it goes on to discuss, like he revealed that the
27:22
Speaker 1: threat level reached a point where security agencies considered providing
27:26
Speaker 1: him with a bulletproof vest and And law enforcement, including FBI,
27:30
Speaker 1: were deployed for his and his crew's safety during major
27:34
Speaker 1: public broadcasts on college campuses. And then that ties into
27:38
Speaker 1: going to Utah and why he referenced Charlie Kirk.
27:42
Speaker 2: So the Charlie Kirk thing is what stuck out to
27:45
Speaker 2: a lot of people. Me too. He watches that video.
27:48
Speaker 2: Now he's referencing Charlie Kirk, this horrific thing that happened.
27:51
Speaker 2: Seemed a little bit extreme. Yes. This explanation really, I think,
27:56
Speaker 2: explained a lot about what was going on. Pat McAfee,
27:59
Speaker 2: and it's a long, lengthy, we've reposted it, a long, lengthy,
28:04
Speaker 2: detailed what the month of October has been like for him.
28:07
Speaker 2: But it also goes back to September of a year
28:10
Speaker 2: ago in Knoxville, Tennessee. And that is the week following
28:15
Speaker 2: the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk was assassinated on
28:19
Speaker 2: September 10th, I believe, and September 13th was college game day,
28:24
Speaker 2: Tennessee hosting Georgia. McAfee in this post post the opening
28:28
Speaker 2: video where he's wearing a red white and blue jacket
28:31
Speaker 2: that day after Kirk was assassinated and he gives a
28:34
Speaker 2: very good impassioned thing about Sports bring people together. Sports unite.
28:40
Speaker 2: And he said, we are a divided country, but today
28:42
Speaker 2: there are 102,000 fans that are behind one thing, and
28:46
Speaker 2: that is kicking Georgia's ass. And all the Tennessee fans
28:50
Speaker 2: go crazy at that point. And he said this is
28:52
Speaker 2: why he loves sports. I believe him, by the way.
28:55
Speaker 2: I do think that Pat McAfee, who gets a lot
28:58
Speaker 2: of heat and a lot of it is unjustified, some
29:01
Speaker 2: of it may be, but most of it's unjustified. He's
29:04
Speaker 2: a positive guy. He's usually over the top, positive, energetic,
29:09
Speaker 2: excited about whatever's going on. He's not someone that I
29:12
Speaker 2: would say is overly negative all the time about things.
29:15
Speaker 2: He truly loves sports. He truly loves entertainment. He loves
29:19
Speaker 2: all those things. He does believe that it's something that
29:22
Speaker 2: brings people together. He brings up an interesting point, and
29:25
Speaker 2: he says this at the start of his manifesto. He says,
29:30
Speaker 2: I don't know if Carrie from Derry is real or not,
29:33
Speaker 2: but the picture on the left is from a very
29:36
Speaker 2: real man in Ohio. Yeah. And he goes and shows
29:39
Speaker 2: some of the threats that he got. He says, you know,
29:43
Speaker 2: don't read them. People say they're everywhere. And he says,
29:46
Speaker 2: and well, they still exist, though, right? The threats and
29:49
Speaker 2: whoever's behind those accounts that does it. I think it's
29:53
Speaker 2: very easy just to dismiss it and say, oh, it's
29:56
Speaker 2: just online trolling. You know, oh, they're just doing this because, again,
30:01
Speaker 2: anybody who's ever been in sports media long enough has
30:03
Speaker 2: probably gotten something really weird from someone or really crazy
30:08
Speaker 2: at some point or another. Not to the level of
30:09
Speaker 2: a Pat McAfee or a Clay Travis, who we'll get
30:12
Speaker 2: to here momentarily. But you've gotten something weird, and I
30:16
Speaker 2: think it's easy for everyone else on the outside to say, oh,
30:19
Speaker 2: just don't look at your mentions. And he says, like,
30:22
Speaker 2: I've stopped looking at mentions and messages because And he said,
30:25
Speaker 2: I bet if I opened it back up, I'd see
30:27
Speaker 2: even more things like this of people wishing me dead
30:30
Speaker 2: or people wishing harm to my family at some point.
30:33
Speaker 2: And that does take a psychological toll on someone when
30:37
Speaker 2: you're getting this repeatedly. Having law enforcement and the FBI
30:40
Speaker 2: try to put a bulletproof vest on you would do that. Yes.
30:43
Speaker 2: And he said having FBI snipers around the set in
30:46
Speaker 2: Knoxville on that September Saturday and everything else.
30:50
Speaker 1: That's verified the threat.
30:52
Speaker 2: Yeah.
30:53
Speaker 1: You know, that's, that's more than just someone sliding into
30:55
Speaker 1: DMs talking trash.
30:56
Speaker 2: Well, and he says like, it wasn't about, uh, I
30:58
Speaker 2: don't think it was a Tennessee fan base specific threat
31:01
Speaker 2: or anything. It was because it was in lieu of
31:03
Speaker 2: the Charlie Kirk situation. Some of the threats he had
31:05
Speaker 2: been receiving, but he even credited the Tennessee students that
31:08
Speaker 2: were there that day for feeding his soul in a
31:11
Speaker 2: way that they don't even realize that he helped. They
31:13
Speaker 2: helped with how positive the experience was on the set
31:16
Speaker 2: that day and positive things that people were saying to him. Um,
31:20
Speaker 2: Clay Travis knows a thing or two about this, right?
31:22
Speaker 2: Founder of Sport Estate. McAfee gets into how he has
31:27
Speaker 2: been lumped into political stuff because he had an opinion
31:31
Speaker 2: on the Algerian boxer. And then he said suddenly that
31:34
Speaker 2: gets picked up by a lot of outlets and that
31:37
Speaker 2: feeds this extremism on either side. And then I started
31:40
Speaker 2: getting threats based off what I said about what was
31:43
Speaker 2: going on there. Clay is a very political person. Clay
31:48
Speaker 2: does the biggest political talk show in maybe the world,
31:53
Speaker 2: certainly in America, every single day with Clay and Buck.
31:56
Speaker 2: It's number one, yeah. So when you do that, I mean,
31:59
Speaker 2: Clay knows he's opening himself up when you get it
32:02
Speaker 2: weighed into politics at all this day and age to
32:04
Speaker 2: a lot of negativity. Does that justify someone talking about
32:08
Speaker 2: your wife and kids or talking about your personal well-being?
32:11
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. We can't blur the lines of what's acceptable
32:14
Speaker 2: here because oh, well, he said this about this school
32:17
Speaker 2: or this person, so now it's fair game and he
32:20
Speaker 2: gets whatever he gets. That's not acceptable. And Clay, on
32:24
Speaker 2: the Clay Travis show yesterday, got into death threats and
32:28
Speaker 2: the psychological toll it takes on someone.
32:32
Speaker 5: And I think about things like this all the time.
32:36
Speaker 5: I think Pat McAfee's fear is that with the ratcheting
32:41
Speaker 5: up of negativity, with the fact that everyone who has
32:44
Speaker 5: a job like mine, like his, we regularly get.
32:50
Speaker 6: Serious death threats.
32:52
Speaker 5: We had security outside of my house for the 2024
32:57
Speaker 5: election because people were sending male death threats to my house,
33:02
Speaker 5: saying they were going to kill me and counting down
33:04
Speaker 5: the days until they could do it. We now live
33:08
Speaker 5: behind a lot of armed security for that exact reason.
33:12
Speaker 5: I think that in the wake of Charlie Kirk, it
33:15
Speaker 5: is imminently reasonable for Pat McAfee to have that concern.
33:20
Speaker 5: And by the way, I don't think it's exclusive to
33:22
Speaker 5: Pat McAfee. I bet that Kirk Herbstreet would say the
33:27
Speaker 5: same thing. I bet that Nick Saban would say the
33:29
Speaker 5: same thing. I bet that Desmond Howard would say the
33:32
Speaker 5: same thing.
33:33
Speaker 6: I bet that that.
33:35
Speaker 5: Matt Leinart would say the same thing. Brady Quinn would
33:38
Speaker 5: say the same thing. Anybody who sits on a desk
33:41
Speaker 5: like that in a public venue, it is hard not
33:45
Speaker 5: to think about somebody deciding to engage in terror while
33:49
Speaker 5: there is live television going on, or in the case
33:52
Speaker 5: of the radio show, while there is live radio going on.
33:57
Speaker 5: And people may say, Clay, why do you mention this?
33:59
Speaker 5: It's a dark thought. It's Pat McAfee has brought it up,
34:06
Speaker 5: and I've actually seen a lot of people saying, suck
34:08
Speaker 5: it up, stop whining. I actually think his fear there
34:13
Speaker 5: is 100% justified. And I believe he said that the
34:15
Speaker 5: FBI had told him that he should start wearing a
34:17
Speaker 5: flak jacket everywhere that he goes.
34:19
Speaker 6: It doesn't surprise me at all.
34:21
Speaker 5: I'm sure that he has to have substantial amounts of security.
34:24
Speaker 5: I mean, heck, we had Enos... Ennis Cantor freedom on
34:28
Speaker 5: yesterday on the Clay and Buck show. Uh, and then
34:31
Speaker 5: I went out, we may have a photo of it.
34:33
Speaker 5: Then I went out and spoke at the Marsha Blackburn, uh, rally.
34:36
Speaker 5: She's going to be the next governor of Tennessee. Uh,
34:39
Speaker 5: there's my buddy, Johnny Garrett used to play little league
34:42
Speaker 5: baseball with him back in the day. Now he's going
34:44
Speaker 5: to get elected to Congress from the sixth congressional district
34:48
Speaker 5: of Tennessee, little league baseball to the halls of Congress.
34:51
Speaker 5: Pretty cool for him. Uh, if you're in Tennessee six,
34:54
Speaker 5: go vote for him. Here are a couple of other pictures.
34:57
Speaker 5: Here is Ennis Cantor Freedom with Johnny and some of
35:01
Speaker 5: his family.
35:01
Speaker 6: You can start to scroll through these.
35:04
Speaker 5: They had security arrayed against the entire back wall. And
35:07
Speaker 5: Ennis Cantor Freedom, because he decided to declare for the WNBA,
35:12
Speaker 5: is now deluged in death threats and has to have
35:16
Speaker 5: armed security with him at all times. This is the
35:19
Speaker 5: world that we live in. And a lot of people
35:21
Speaker 5: don't talk about it. And a lot of people don't
35:24
Speaker 5: discuss it. Most of the violence is coming from the
35:27
Speaker 5: left wing in this country. And if you ask me, Clay,
35:30
Speaker 5: what is one of your biggest regrets about the way
35:33
Speaker 5: we have responded to the Charlie Kirk assassination? It's that
35:37
Speaker 5: a lot of people decided that Charlie Kirk wasn't killed,
35:43
Speaker 5: which I believe all of the evidence reflects that he was,
35:46
Speaker 5: by a radical left wing trans activist who was motivated
35:52
Speaker 5: by trans ideology to kill Charlie Kirk.
35:55
Speaker 6: I think all of the evidence supports that's why he
35:57
Speaker 6: did it.
35:58
Speaker 2: We'll see.
35:58
Speaker 5: You can watch the trial for yourself. You don't have
36:00
Speaker 5: to agree with me. But I think he's going to
36:03
Speaker 5: be convicted of first degree murder. I think all of
36:06
Speaker 5: the evidence is quite clear.
36:07
Speaker 6: It's overwhelming.
36:10
Speaker 5: Instead of that conversation, a bunch of people said, oh,
36:12
Speaker 5: Israel killed him. Oh, it was somebody else. It was
36:15
Speaker 5: some right wing zealot. And instead of having a real
36:19
Speaker 5: conversation about trans violence and how angry people and violent.
36:26
Speaker 5: So many of these people can be, instead of having
36:28
Speaker 5: that real conversation, we largely dodged that conversation. And instead
36:34
Speaker 5: everybody sat around and argued, um, argued that, Oh, I mean,
36:39
Speaker 5: it's a conspiracy. And anyway, uh, I just think I
36:42
Speaker 5: got Pat McAfee's back on this. Now, if you want
36:44
Speaker 5: to argue, Hey, uh, individual videos, or you don't need
36:48
Speaker 5: to be offended by them, everything else. I think you
36:50
Speaker 5: need to think about where his mind is and, And
36:53
Speaker 5: I don't think he's crazy to have his mind there
36:56
Speaker 5: in a position that when you're in an outdoor venue,
37:00
Speaker 5: it is incredibly difficult to secure. And I feel like
37:05
Speaker 5: as someone who is on television there, you have no
37:08
Speaker 5: idea what's going on around you. You are a proverbial
37:10
Speaker 5: sitting duck, just like we were when we were doing
37:13
Speaker 5: radio in Minneapolis. And I believe, did it some guy
37:17
Speaker 5: go into the Minneapolis Mall of America with a gun
37:21
Speaker 5: and try to kill as many people as he could?
37:23
Speaker 5: I'm not making that up. I don't think I think
37:25
Speaker 5: it happened a few years later. But I remember when
37:28
Speaker 5: I saw that headline, I said, of course, like there's
37:30
Speaker 5: very limited security. There's a huge population. The danger is
37:34
Speaker 5: Legion for many different people there. So all of that
37:39
Speaker 5: going on. So I got Pat McAfee's back on that one.
37:43
Speaker 1: Great perspective there from Clay. Chad, I think my initial reaction,
37:47
Speaker 1: I was reacting to someone called him corny and creepy
37:51
Speaker 1: and said, keep your shirt on.
37:53
Speaker 2: And he reacted that way.
37:55
Speaker 1: And really, he's reacting to the university posting that and
37:59
Speaker 1: amplifying a video. That's the perspective of why I think
38:04
Speaker 1: so many said, hey, suck it up, because they're thinking
38:07
Speaker 1: like you were called corny and creepy. And when you
38:10
Speaker 1: watch the video, it's not in vitriol by any means.
38:15
Speaker 1: They're there to see Pat McAfee waiting on college game
38:17
Speaker 1: day to start.
38:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was an overreaction. I think it's an overreaction
38:26
Speaker 2: based on that video, but we didn't know all this
38:29
Speaker 2: other stuff going on with Pat McAfee at the time.
38:31
Speaker 2: So now I completely, like Clay, I completely understand why
38:34
Speaker 2: this would be a triggering thing to him. saying, hey,
38:37
Speaker 2: I'm getting all this sent to me and about my
38:39
Speaker 2: family and all that now. I'm here and you're going
38:42
Speaker 2: to post anything remotely negative about me being here and
38:45
Speaker 2: you're going to add fuel to that for people who
38:47
Speaker 2: call me a creep or call me whatever and all
38:50
Speaker 2: of this. Again, it's one thing to just be outwardly
38:54
Speaker 2: cruel to someone online and make fun of them for
38:58
Speaker 2: whatever reason, which that's trolling and that happens everywhere, every day,
39:04
Speaker 2: all the time to anyone who's even remotely, even people
39:06
Speaker 2: that aren't public figure sometimes. This stuff happens. But if
39:09
Speaker 2: you're remotely a public figure, you're going to get some
39:12
Speaker 2: of that every single day. I do think we need
39:14
Speaker 2: to reevaluate the laws in our country and the ability
39:17
Speaker 2: to prosecute someone who sends someone a message like he
39:19
Speaker 2: posted online. I don't know what the law is on that.
39:23
Speaker 2: I know it's illegal to send death threats to people.
39:26
Speaker 2: The punishment needs to be more severe. There needs to
39:29
Speaker 2: be examples set, right? President Trump has had no problem
39:32
Speaker 2: making examples about certain crimes and about certain things. And
39:36
Speaker 2: because of that, we're headed towards a two-year low with
39:39
Speaker 2: the murder rate in this country and a lack of murders,
39:42
Speaker 2: which is a great thing. I'd like to see some
39:45
Speaker 2: prosecution levels to the point where we start to see
39:47
Speaker 2: this BS remotely. It is not hard to find who's
39:52
Speaker 2: behind the IP of that account that sent that. I
39:56
Speaker 2: feel like if you're the FBI or you're anywhere else,
39:59
Speaker 2: you raid that person at work, you take them away
40:02
Speaker 2: in handcuffs, and scare the piss out of them at
40:05
Speaker 2: the very least to never do anything like that again.
40:08
Speaker 2: If you evaluate that it's just some loser that lives
40:11
Speaker 2: in their grandmother's basement, and is doing this because they
40:14
Speaker 2: get a rise out of it, then scare the piss
40:16
Speaker 2: out of them and embarrass them. Embarrass them in front
40:19
Speaker 2: of their coworkers, their boss, their family, everyone else for
40:23
Speaker 2: doing it. Raid their house, take them out of it,
40:26
Speaker 2: do that. If you find people who are legitimately mentally ill,
40:30
Speaker 2: who have actually thought about planning something awful like this,
40:34
Speaker 2: then you lock them up. Look, I'm not endorsing some
40:39
Speaker 2: sort of minority report with Tom Cruise pre-crime division where
40:43
Speaker 2: we're going to know everybody's thoughts and go and arrest
40:45
Speaker 2: everybody because they've had one dark thought in their life
40:48
Speaker 2: or anything like that. Right. But if you were so awful.
40:51
Speaker 2: It's like the example we saw. If you were so awful.
40:54
Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, reevaluate yourself here. If you were sane
40:58
Speaker 2: at all. If you were so awful that you were
41:01
Speaker 2: going to message someone talking about their wife and young kids.
41:06
Speaker 2: We're talking about the way their kids look or the
41:09
Speaker 2: way anything like that. And you say anything remotely threatening.
41:14
Speaker 2: I want your ass thrown in jail. I don't think
41:16
Speaker 2: that's too much to ask.
41:18
Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. And we know the backstory with Clay.
41:22
Speaker 1: I mean, they were trying to find that guy or
41:24
Speaker 1: whoever it was to do exactly that.
41:27
Speaker 2: That was actually harder because they were doing it with
41:29
Speaker 2: physical mail. With Clay's situation, not online.
41:33
Speaker 4: Right.
41:33
Speaker 2: Exactly.
41:34
Speaker 1: But yeah, they still were able to do some things
41:36
Speaker 1: to find out the area, which was crazy in and
41:40
Speaker 1: of itself that they could do that.
41:41
Speaker 2: Chad, coming up, Lane.
41:43
Speaker 1: Kiffin is upset with the SEC, and the SEC is
41:46
Speaker 1: certainly upset with him. And so how are they taking
41:49
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41:53
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Speaker 2: That's the fastest I've ever gotten through that. Well done.
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Speaker 2: We've got a new record. You've got to do a
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Speaker 2: rhythm there. That's the fastest speed talking I've ever done.
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Speaker 1: Man, Speed Talker is also Lane Kiffin, Chad. LSU, it's
43:02
Speaker 1: almost like it's their birthright to have night games for
43:06
Speaker 1: college football kickoffs. This matchup against Bama, whenever they host, traditionally,
43:12
Speaker 1: I mean, the last, what, nearly two decades, it's been
43:15
Speaker 1: at night at Tiger Stadium, whenever they play Bama, whenever
43:18
Speaker 1: they host Bama.
43:20
Speaker 2: But I mean, it I mean, if you.
43:22
Speaker 1: Just turn on the TV, chances are LSU's playing at night.
43:24
Speaker 1: They've played four of their five home games this year
43:27
Speaker 1: under the lights. They had six of their seven last
43:30
Speaker 1: year under the lights. Same thing for 2025 or 2024.
43:36
Speaker 1: They're playing under the lights, except for this week where
43:39
Speaker 1: they kick off at 3.30 Eastern against Alabama as they
43:43
Speaker 1: host them at Tiger Stadium.
43:45
Speaker 2: And Kiffin is pissed off about it. Yeah, he's not happy.
43:51
Speaker 2: And here's the quote from him on why exactly he's
43:53
Speaker 2: not happy. But, yeah, look, he's saying the SEC's mad
43:58
Speaker 2: at them about the whole thing with the players. Here's
44:00
Speaker 2: what I would say to Lane Kiffin. Of course. Of
44:04
Speaker 2: course they're mad. We'll get into the R.J. Lewis, Will
44:07
Speaker 2: Wade basketball situation at LSU, but you've got a state
44:11
Speaker 2: district attorney for Louisiana calling Greg Sankey Kim Jong Sankey.
44:17
Speaker 2: in a court briefing where they're getting sued by you.
44:20
Speaker 2: And then the SEC is being forced to sue LSU
44:24
Speaker 2: and everything that they're doing. So look, man, I don't
44:27
Speaker 2: know what to tell you. Had you and your program
44:30
Speaker 2: not been so defiant for so long to where they
44:33
Speaker 2: were going to actually hold a meeting to consider kicking
44:36
Speaker 2: LSU out of the conference before you back down, you're
44:39
Speaker 2: not going to get your precious night game. This is
44:42
Speaker 2: the way it works. I completely understand the SEC. being
44:46
Speaker 2: angry with LSU right now. Now, and it's not this week,
44:49
Speaker 2: it's next week, because both teams are off this week.
44:51
Speaker 2: It's their next game. That night, they're also doing exactly
44:55
Speaker 2: what they did with Tennessee and Alabama. They're protecting, instead
44:59
Speaker 2: of protecting BYU-Notre Dame, they're protecting also Miami-Notre Dame and
45:04
Speaker 2: Georgia-Old Miss that week. Now, that's an NBC game, Miami-Notre Dame,
45:09
Speaker 2: so they're not protecting their own Disney interest, but those
45:11
Speaker 2: are going to be the night game windows. Now, If
45:14
Speaker 2: you ask me what game would I rather see at night,
45:17
Speaker 2: Georgia at Ole Miss or Alabama at LSU, I think
45:21
Speaker 2: it makes sense to flip the two. It's not like
45:25
Speaker 2: it's a no-brainer. Alabama right now, Hutton, is number 10
45:29
Speaker 2: at number 15. Currently, Georgia is number three at number 12. Now,
45:33
Speaker 2: if you're looking at rankings, that's a better matchup for
45:36
Speaker 2: a nighttime, primetime game than Alabama-LSU. But yeah, I was
45:41
Speaker 2: a little bit surprised when I saw that this wasn't
45:42
Speaker 2: going to be a night game.
45:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I guess we're surprised if any game's not
45:47
Speaker 1: a night game there. Also, it would be on ESPN
45:51
Speaker 1: and Disney to make that call. They're going to put
45:55
Speaker 1: the best games where they want and, again, protect other
45:58
Speaker 1: games the way they choose based on that agreement. But,
46:02
Speaker 1: I mean, Clemson, 8.40 Central Time kickoff. Louisiana Tech, 6.30 p.m.
46:07
Speaker 1: Texas A & M, 6.30 p.m. Mideast State, 6.55 p.m.
46:12
Speaker 1: Mississippi State was 11 a.m. That's the one game that
46:15
Speaker 1: they've had with the sun overhead at Tiger Stadium. And
46:19
Speaker 1: if they've got Texas coming up, which is also a
46:21
Speaker 1: to-be-announced kickoff time, chances are if they beat Bama, I'm
46:28
Speaker 1: guessing that you gamble on the fact that they will
46:32
Speaker 1: or they won't. But you assess where all these teams
46:35
Speaker 1: are and you announce it whenever you have to announce it.
46:38
Speaker 1: Chances are LSU's hosting that game. That will be under
46:40
Speaker 1: the lights.
46:42
Speaker 3: Well....
46:44
Speaker 2: Look, it's not their God-given birthright to play all big
46:48
Speaker 2: games at night at LSU, even though LSU fans believe
46:52
Speaker 2: that it is, and Lane Kiffin certainly believes that it is.
46:54
Speaker 2: Compare that to Tennessee, though. Look, Clay Travis reported Tennessee
46:59
Speaker 2: was pissed when Alabama wasn't at night. Tennessee didn't talk
47:02
Speaker 2: about it. That's the difference with Lane Kiffin and everybody else.
47:05
Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin goes to the podium, and he talks about it,
47:08
Speaker 2: or he goes and does an interview and talks about
47:11
Speaker 2: why he's angry about that. That is the difference between
47:15
Speaker 2: the two. Whereas Tennessee just said, they told Clay Travis,
47:19
Speaker 2: someone did, they're angry about it because they were told
47:21
Speaker 2: by ESPN and Disney that they were going to get
47:24
Speaker 2: a night game after the 11 a.m. debacle against Texas,
47:28
Speaker 2: where everyone threw their hands up and said, this is
47:30
Speaker 2: crazy that this game is on so early. So then
47:34
Speaker 2: you have that, and they thought they were going to
47:35
Speaker 2: get a night game in return when they played Alabama.
47:38
Speaker 2: They didn't. Tennessee complained to people about it without publicly
47:43
Speaker 2: complaining about it. And I understand the complaint if you
47:46
Speaker 2: really want a night game. But just in that given
47:48
Speaker 2: week in the SEC, this is a weird week. It
47:52
Speaker 2: is weird. It is. 230 central time slot is going
47:55
Speaker 2: to be Alabama-LSU. Kentucky and Tennessee right now is a
47:59
Speaker 2: battle number nine versus number 16. Huge game.
48:02
Speaker 4: Massive.
48:03
Speaker 2: With both those teams coming off a bye week. The
48:06
Speaker 2: ESPN created a start time for that game. It's at
48:08
Speaker 2: 515 central time. 6-15 Eastern. I've never known. Somebody show
48:13
Speaker 2: me where an SEC game that's not like on ESPN
48:16
Speaker 2: Plus in a bye game by somebody has started at
48:21
Speaker 2: 5-15 p.m. Central time. It's a night game, which is
48:24
Speaker 2: great for the atmosphere in Knoxville. You know, it's going
48:27
Speaker 2: to be on ESPN at night, which is good. But
48:30
Speaker 2: 5-15 Central, that's a weird week of college football. But
48:35
Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin claiming that the SEC hates him? Yeah.
48:39
Speaker 4: Yeah.
48:40
Speaker 2: They do. Now, will the SEC, I don't know, put
48:44
Speaker 2: David Smith Jr. 's crew on LSU in that game
48:47
Speaker 2: and he gets to call his alma mater in that one?
48:50
Speaker 2: Then that would really show that the SEC hates you.
48:52
Speaker 2: I want to see some officiating. I want to see
48:54
Speaker 2: three touchdowns taken off the board for LSU in a
48:57
Speaker 2: game before I say that the SEC is really up
49:00
Speaker 2: to something. But hunting something like this where they can
49:03
Speaker 2: sort of minorly penalize LSU by not giving them their
49:06
Speaker 2: precious night game?
49:07
Speaker 1: Of course not. They're going to take an opportunity to
49:10
Speaker 1: do this. They'll put David Smith Jr. on the LSU-Texas game.
49:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they can't because of his ties to Alabama.
49:20
Speaker 2: But they'll put him on, hey, whoever you got next,
49:23
Speaker 2: just like after Tennessee beat up Alabama, we're going to
49:26
Speaker 2: make sure we put the call in. David Smith Jr.
49:29
Speaker 2: is on the job. He's like the hitman in Pulp
49:32
Speaker 2: Fiction in the black suits coming in. He's going to
49:36
Speaker 2: make sure that that team gets whacked. The very next week,
49:39
Speaker 2: no matter what. That's what the SEC is going to
49:41
Speaker 2: do to them. But again, of course, of course the SEC,
49:46
Speaker 2: if they can take a little shot and they can
49:49
Speaker 2: penalize you in some minor way, I understand why they're
49:54
Speaker 2: doing it, and I don't blame them.
49:56
Speaker 1: Coming up, if you think this is a weird week
49:59
Speaker 1: for college football that Chad just described, wait until you
50:03
Speaker 1: see the NFL week, which is not good.
50:08
Speaker 2: With all the matches. By the way, Hutton, the example
50:10
Speaker 2: of this is if we sued Clay Travis and Sporting
50:13
Speaker 2: State all of a sudden or tried to go against
50:15
Speaker 2: his rules, we'd suddenly be hosting a show at 4 a.m.
50:18
Speaker 2: You know, like, hey, you guys are no longer on
50:21
Speaker 2: at 7 a.m. Central Time. 4 a.m. Central time. It
50:24
Speaker 2: would punish JT and everyone else, too. But if he
50:27
Speaker 2: could do that, then he would do it. And I
50:29
Speaker 2: would be like, yeah, probably would have done the same
50:31
Speaker 2: thing if I were Clay Travis in that scenario.
50:33
Speaker 1: I just wish they would have done this for A &
50:34
Speaker 1: M and Clemson, too.
50:37
Speaker 2: With all the other kickoffs.
50:39
Speaker 1: Hey, Chad, coming up, one big thing on every NFL
50:41
Speaker 1: game and why there's such a terrible game on Sunday
50:44
Speaker 1: Night Football.
50:45
Speaker 2: Let's straight ahead.