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Get Back to the Kitchen · I Think Less of You Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: Statistically speaking,
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  SPEAKER_00: if you're just purely based on the numbers,
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  SPEAKER_00: if you want your children to be more conservative,
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  SPEAKER_00: getting them married as early as possible is the answer.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: if you look at the numbers,
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  SPEAKER_00: young women who are married are significantly less,
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  SPEAKER_00: we'll say progressive,
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  SPEAKER_00: than unmarried women.
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  So who is so crazy for trying to get their daughter in arranged
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  marriage now?
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm not criticizing you.
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  SPEAKER_02: You did what I was talking about.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mock you for everything.
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  My mocking means nothing because I'll mock things that I think
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  are great just
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  SPEAKER_00: because if I think of something –
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  SPEAKER_00: People don't understand.
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  My whole ethos is just saying whatever the funniest thing that
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  comes to my mind at
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  SPEAKER_00: that moment is.
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  So if if the funniest thing directly countermand something I
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  actively agree with,
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll still say it's funny.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, you don't cut funny in the movie.
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  SPEAKER_00: My favorite year.
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  The guy who the guy who is the TV show,
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  he runs the TV show that they're all working on.
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  SPEAKER_00: Excellent movie.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everyone should see it.
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  SPEAKER_00: My favorite year with Peter O'Toole.
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  SPEAKER_00: He he says, you don't cut funny.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is this is what I live by.
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  SPEAKER_00: You never cut funny.
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  SPEAKER_00: You don't thought.
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  SPEAKER_02: My internet.
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  SPEAKER_02: Someone's internet.
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  SPEAKER_02: One of our internets.
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  SPEAKER_00: Someone's internet.
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  SPEAKER_00: You don't cut funny is what I'm saying.
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  SPEAKER_02: You don't cut funny.
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  SPEAKER_00: Also, everyone should watch My Favorite Year.
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  SPEAKER_00: Excellent movie about the 50s.
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  SPEAKER_00: Basically about Mel Brooks' early times on Sid Caesar's show of shows.
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  SPEAKER_02: you find endless amusement in making fun of my every move.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I do.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's funny.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's because you think less of me.
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  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
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  SPEAKER_02: We'll get the title.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wrapped it in there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah.
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  But women,
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  I've been busily posting random notes to our little shared note
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  thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm so excited about this.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm so happy.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, oh, he actually enjoys doing this and did homework for it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I did.
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  SPEAKER_00: Women are globally on the left.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're extremely liberal relative to men.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it is an open question as to why.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um,
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  SPEAKER_02: I am going to straight up say that,
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  and this is going to be complicated and I have to be a little
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  bit careful,
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  SPEAKER_02: um,
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  SPEAKER_02: only because I am afraid that at some point in time,
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  a large chunk of my very liberal housewife readers will find
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  out about me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Although I also don't really care.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um,
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  SPEAKER_02: I think that women are very depressed.
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  SPEAKER_02: I feel like women's roles have been slowly eroded.
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  I think women don't really have purpose or any reason or
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  meaning anymore and are
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  finding liberal politics to fill all of those kind of gaps in
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  their self-worth.
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  SPEAKER_00: I would say the same thing about men verging to the right.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think we've discussed this before.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it is a...
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay,
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  SPEAKER_02: in some ways,
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  SPEAKER_02: I'll push back on a little bit of some of the...
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm just going to sound like I'm all...
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  SPEAKER_02: propping up the patriarchy here.
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  But I do think that I can't find a way to phrase what I want to
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  phrase without
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  SPEAKER_02: being wildly offensive towards my own gender.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I am just going to say that I feel that women need to reclaim their
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  SPEAKER_02: a role that we biologically have like as nurturers and things.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think we need to do it away from, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: I like women getting involved.
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  SPEAKER_02: I like women being more political.
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  SPEAKER_02: I, I just don't relate to this.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  movement i think that the the feminist movement launched this
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  with the uh and again
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  i've said before there are many good things that came out of
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  feminism uh but the
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  extremes of it the uh betty for dan version of it the woman
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  needs a man like a fish
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  SPEAKER_00: needs a bicycle uh strain
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  SPEAKER_00: It was,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think,
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  SPEAKER_00: very toxic for women because and that men have,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think,
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  SPEAKER_00: in the relatively recent past,
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  SPEAKER_00: basically accepted that message and said,
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  SPEAKER_00: fine,
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  SPEAKER_00: we don't need you either.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's bad for both because men and women do need each other.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: I will say, I was talking to my husband about this the other day.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was complaining about like,
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  SPEAKER_02: oh,
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  SPEAKER_02: you don't hold the doors open for me or,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: stupid little things like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he'll be like, you don't, you actively don't want that.
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  Like you,
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  I get annoyed when people hold the door open for me because I'm
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  like...
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, because I'm like, don't hurry me up.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or it was always like, I can do this myself.
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  SPEAKER_02: Why do you think I can't open the door?
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  SPEAKER_02: But now I'm like, wait a second.
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  SPEAKER_02: I never had that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I wish we could go back to that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Years and years ago,
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  SPEAKER_00: long ago,
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  SPEAKER_00: when my wife and I first knew each other,
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  SPEAKER_00: she used to get cranky with me holding a door for her.
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  SPEAKER_00: So my response to things like that is to, you know...
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  SPEAKER_00: play it up and mock it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I would actively push the door closed behind me if she was behind me.
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  you know what man you said you wanted to open the door i didn't
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  i i i wanted to
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  make sure you got to express that to the fullest possible
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  extent now i'm old and
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  i'm like no one's gonna hold a door open for old me i didn't
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  take advantage of the
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  the chance i had to be like i'm the pretty girl hold the door
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  open for me youth is
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  SPEAKER_01: wasted on the young
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  it's too late now i'm just the old hag no one's gonna open a
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  door for me no but i i
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  think it it it is troubling that you have a global move of
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  women fairly like if you
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  look at the chart and i think the chart is from from fina i'm
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  trying to see who it
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  SPEAKER_00: is the it's from the guardian um men for the most part
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  SPEAKER_00: Trend towards the center, their center right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Men actually haven't changed all that much.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you look at the chart, men's beliefs are pretty much the same.
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  SPEAKER_02: You have some weirdo like Nick Fuentes,
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  SPEAKER_02: who,
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  SPEAKER_02: by the way,
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  SPEAKER_02: is not interested in women or being around women.
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  You can't tell me any of these,
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  any of these ultra conservative,
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  like far right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Also, they're not actually conservative.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're actually quite liberal.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're just they're not.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're only right on a very specific and technical spectrum.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're not in any practical sense on the right.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're kind of their own thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Politics is not, in fact, a two-dimensional plane as it is often.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are actually a lot more facets to it that we don't acknowledge.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they're in some kind of weird thing all on their own.
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  SPEAKER_02: They are kind of the mirror image to what we see happening with women,
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  SPEAKER_02: whereas I don't think a majority of men are.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think a majority of men have stayed fairly stable.
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  SPEAKER_02: You have these weird men who are not into women, just to make that clear.
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  SPEAKER_02: They don't care what women are doing.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then a majority of women don't care what men are doing.
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  I realize that this is so uncharitable to say that the majority
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  of women in America
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  SPEAKER_02: act like Cobra Tate,
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  SPEAKER_02: whatever,
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  SPEAKER_02: Andrew Tate,
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  SPEAKER_02: whatever that guy's name is.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Andrew Tate.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Nick Cuentes and all of these weirdos.
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  SPEAKER_02: All of these weirdos.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, that is what women are behaving like.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's...
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  SPEAKER_00: Again,
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  SPEAKER_00: this is just – in a lot of ways,
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  the left is – the worst part of the left is a just mirror image
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  of the worst parts
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  SPEAKER_00: of the right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And –
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  SPEAKER_00: I think,
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  SPEAKER_00: interestingly,
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  SPEAKER_00: the right,
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  SPEAKER_00: the worst parts of the right,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think,
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  are much more willing to acknowledge that fact than the people
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  on the left.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: the Nick Fuentes types,
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  SPEAKER_00: the Andrew Tate types,
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  SPEAKER_00: they will happily point out,
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  SPEAKER_00: like,
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  SPEAKER_00: well,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: the left is saying basically the same thing I had,
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  SPEAKER_00: which is something you'd never hear out of it because,
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  SPEAKER_00: again,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's—
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  Well,
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  the right is always made to answer for every single flaw in any
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  form of conservatism.
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  SPEAKER_02: The right has to answer for absolutely everything.
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  The left,
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  instead of holding anyone to account,
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  bakes it into their party politics.
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  SPEAKER_02: Radicalized insanity is a part of what you are getting.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, it's true.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's I don't know.
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  I have a really hard time with looking at some of the divisions
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  between men and
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  SPEAKER_02: women and the political ideology,
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  SPEAKER_02: because a lot of it is perpetuated by social media.
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  SPEAKER_02: I know that is overblown for a lot of people.
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  SPEAKER_02: A lot of people are like, oh, no, it's not really.
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  SPEAKER_02: I do think it's things like TikTok, things like Instagram.
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  SPEAKER_02: A lot less Twitter because actually Twitter's user base skews more mail.
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  But you have this kind of an alternate society set up on social
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  media that is very,
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  SPEAKER_02: very pressuring for women to comply and to toe the party line.
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  SPEAKER_02: And as women are constantly fed this stuff,
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  their self-worth is completely annihilated unless they are in
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  lockstep with every
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  SPEAKER_02: other woman.
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  SPEAKER_02: I have lived that myself.
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  SPEAKER_02: I see it every day.
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  I had a reader write to me just yesterday complaining that they
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  found my Twitter account.
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  And I'm very conservative and told me and I quote to get back
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  to the kitchen.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, hold up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was like, okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: kind of fair enough because I do run a food blog,
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  SPEAKER_02: but also I was like,
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  I wrote them back a long thing and I was far bitchier than I
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  needed to be.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I was like, I actually have a degree in political science.
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  SPEAKER_02: I used to work in the United States Senate.
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  SPEAKER_02: I used to be a lobbyist.
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  SPEAKER_02: What are your qualifications?
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm assuming this writer was a woman herself.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was a reader.
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  SPEAKER_02: It sounded like a woman.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was an email address that you couldn't really tell.
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  SPEAKER_00: No.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was like, oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're saying get back into the kitchen.
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  SPEAKER_00: Go make me a sandwich.
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  Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Totally chill.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'll say on...
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  the liberal side I have friends well I'll call them
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  acquaintances um who are very
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  very very crazy liberal like watch this video you need to know
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  what's going on in
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  SPEAKER_02: Minneapolis they're kidnapping people off the street and I'm like okay um
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  SPEAKER_02: But they're getting lots of pushback, I will say.
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  SPEAKER_02: Good.
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  SPEAKER_02: Usually for men.
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  SPEAKER_02: Good.
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  SPEAKER_02: More of us women need to push back against some of it.
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  But they get a lot of the like,
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  you're a baking blog,
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  go back to the kitchen.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, okay, well, that's fine.
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  Well,
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  as a counterpoint to the worrisome nature of this chart,
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  which is so the chart has...
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  It charts the political,
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  the partisan alignment of men and women from 2000s to the
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  present.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's a fairly steep rise for women.
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  SPEAKER_00: But around,
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  SPEAKER_00: and this anecdotally isn't surprising entirely to me,
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  SPEAKER_00: around 2020,
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  SPEAKER_00: there's some kind of fever break.
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  SPEAKER_00: and there is a precipitous drop in the leftward alignment of women.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if this will continue,
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  SPEAKER_00: but especially when you have...
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  Part of it is that when you have the left creating hazards for
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  the community,
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  SPEAKER_00: blatant hazards for the community,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that that does affect,
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  SPEAKER_00: because as we've said,
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  SPEAKER_00: as you said,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I've said in the past,
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  SPEAKER_00: women are the community protectors.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when you have,
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  SPEAKER_00: for instance,
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  a mob of lefty agitators busting into a church in Minneapolis
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  with Don Lemon in
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  SPEAKER_00: tow,
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  uh and like you know making children cry on camera with their
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  antics i think that i
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  think the things like that do affect women more so than men
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  like you know it takes
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  me off i but i think i think women as who tends to be the
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  keepers of community i
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  think feel that much more personally especially a child crying
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  i don't care if you
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  don't have kids i think i don't want to say men don't care when
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  they see a child
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  crying but i think it is a much more visceral reaction to see
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  to see that kind of
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  SPEAKER_00: thing for a woman
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  Well,
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  again,
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  like back to biology,
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  we are wired for that to affect us very differently.
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  SPEAKER_02: We do experience that in a very different way than men do,
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  SPEAKER_02: especially if you've had children,
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  SPEAKER_02: but also just women who have not had children.
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  SPEAKER_02: I will say 2020 obviously broke.
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  SPEAKER_02: some women out of it for clear reasons.
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  SPEAKER_02: And COVID being the biggest, having to mask children.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then some of the trans stuff started breaking in 2020.
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  And some women started being like,
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  wait a second,
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  I don't like this for my daughter.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I think we're going to see the women who are
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  going further left continue to go all the way further like well
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  yeah there's you
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  SPEAKER_00: When you have you have people who just choose to entrench more.
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  Most people have a lot of trouble admitting that they have been
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  wrong about something.
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  SPEAKER_02: Some people fallacy.
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  SPEAKER_02: How do you give up this thing that you've dedicated your life to?
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  And these women are literally putting their lives on the line
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  for their socialist
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  SPEAKER_02: ideals that they have recently adopted.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And not thought through especially well.
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  SPEAKER_02: No,
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: most women don't even understand socialism,
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  SPEAKER_02: don't understand communism,
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  SPEAKER_02: don't understand all of these things that they're like rallying for.
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  SPEAKER_02: I just I have a really hard time with it.
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  SPEAKER_02: They think that they understand history and.
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  the big thing right now on Instagram is talking about how ice
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  in Minneapolis
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  SPEAKER_02: walking door to door,
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  SPEAKER_02: asking for papers is what Anne Frank went through.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like,
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  It's because their conception of what constitutes a Nazi and
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  Nazi action is derived
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  SPEAKER_00: from having watched Indiana Jones movies.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they see that and they see the people walking like, tickets, please.
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  SPEAKER_02: Papers, please.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's so highly offensive.
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  SPEAKER_02: And how more people have not snapped out of this to be like,
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  SPEAKER_02: wait,
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  SPEAKER_02: this is actually kind of anti-Semitic the way I'm phrasing this.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't think you should be using the Holocaust for anything.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not to mention that all of these women are all free Palestine crowd, too.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, what the hell do you know of it?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, that's the issue in Minneapolis and many other cities.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I'm not...
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  I think the reason that it's come to such a head in Minneapolis
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  just because of the
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  SPEAKER_00: intransibility of of the mayor frame,
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  SPEAKER_00: Governor Walz.
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  But the issue is that you don't have these problems in cities
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  that aren't sanctuary
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  SPEAKER_00: cities and cities that simply turn over.
• 17:30
  when they catch an illegal alien for crimes that tries them and
• 17:36
  then turns them over to ICE.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: The problem is they have chosen not to do that for a very long time.
• 17:41
  They have made it one of their bedrock stances that they're not
• 17:45
  doing this,
• 17:46
  which is dangerous.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's incredibly dangerous.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: I find it very strange.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: There are the large contingent on both, on the right especially,
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: who say,
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: we want to get the illegal immigration under control,
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: we want the borders under control,
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: we want to have fewer people coming in,
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: who then look at the very...
• 18:19
  ostentatious way that ICE is going about their jobs of finding
• 18:27
  and deporting illegal aliens.
• 18:31
  And then look at the fact that we are currently having a
• 18:35
  50-year low in people
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: trying to cross into America illegally.
• 18:40
  And do not make the connection that the people who would be
• 18:43
  coming across are
• 18:44
  looking at what the situation is for the people who are here
• 18:48
  legally and saying the
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: juice isn't worth the squeeze.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a natural deterrent.
• 18:54
  I also think if we got serious about cutting certain benefits
• 19:01
  and paid programs we
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_02: have,
• 19:03
  which isn't going to happen because this has become so baked
• 19:06
  into Democrat policy.
• 19:08
  I don't understand why Republicans are not focusing on the we
• 19:13
  are paying taxes.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_02: economic refugees to move to America.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: If we stop some of that, a lot of people will self-deport.
• 19:24
  You won't need ICE going through knocking door to door,
• 19:27
  which one,
• 19:29
  I question the validity of.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_02: And two,
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: Even if it was, if we stop paying people, they won't want to stay.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: There's no reason to stay.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: You self-deport.
• 19:42
  The previous immigration waves were not getting – what they
• 19:45
  were getting was the
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: right to live in America.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: That we're not getting anything else out of it.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's we we had actual asylum seekers.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_02: That's all they want.
• 19:55
  Actual asylum seekers want to live in a country that's not
• 19:58
  actively trying to kill them.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_02: Economic asylum seekers are there for a very different reason.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: I want to be clear and fair because I do try to be.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: Illegal immigrants are not all on the dole.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: They may be, but none should be.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: No, but there are massive programs that are set up for it.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I will say, like, I'm fine with...
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_02: true asylum seekers be having a soft landing.
• 20:28
  I'm OK with paying true asylum seekers to establish themselves
• 20:33
  and after a short time.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_02: But it never goes beyond that,
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_02: because if you're a true asylum seeker,
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_02: you are reestablishing your life like you're going to get on it quickly.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: If you're an economic asylum seeker,
• 20:46
  you have zero incentive to go out and get a job because you
• 20:49
  have a much better
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_02: setup.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: Well,
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: I've said before that you import third world peoples,
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: you tend to import third world cultural problems.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: This is a... That's a hard one to say.
• 21:04
  I don't know what the current politically correct term for
• 21:08
  third world is.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: No, I know.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_02: Again, not a video format.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: The face I just made was very like, oh, I would phrase it differently.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_02: But I agree with you.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's really hard and it...
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's hard to say all of these things.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 21:27
  Because then you have crazy people on the right that say this
• 21:31
  stuff with actual racist intent.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's difficult to say some of these things.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: So but this isn't a racist question.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_02: No, I understand what you're saying.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's just it's hard because I phrase that.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: specifically in the way that it was phrased to be by my Ph.D.
• 21:52
  international political economist mother who earned her degree
• 21:56
  in the 70s and 80s.
• 22:00
  And that was at the time when I remember just having this
• 22:03
  discussion with her when I was young.
• 22:05
  That was the understanding in the political science community
• 22:08
  at that time in the
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: 80s and in the early 90s that when you bring it –
• 22:15
  the opportunity cost of bringing in populations from areas that
• 22:19
  are a failed
• 22:20
  political state is that they bring the ideas of governance that
• 22:25
  go along with being
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: living in a failed political state with them.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: They do not have the same connection to social contract theory.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: They do not have the same connection to an understanding that the
• 22:40
  A person should act within their community for the best
• 22:44
  interests of themselves
• 22:45
  while maintaining the norms of that community that the entire
• 22:53
  American system was
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: built on.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: They have,
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 22:58
  you look at the issues with the Somalian community in places
• 23:01
  like Minnesota and
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: Maine.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: This isn't a racial question.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: This isn't a these people are horrible because of their race.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's not their race.
• 23:09
  The issue is that they come from a place where you have to do
• 23:13
  whatever you can to
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: get as much as you can,
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: because at any moment you could die.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: You could be thrown in jail for literally nothing.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: You could, like, they...
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: This is a problem that has been going on for generations there,
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: and the people's entire social structure is built around this.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: That is why they go out of their way to find ways to scam the system,
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: because to survive where their culture came from,
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: that's what you have to do.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: Well,
• 23:44
  it's also really important if we look at like the UK and
• 23:47
  Ireland right now,
• 23:49
  which I would like to talk more about the UK and Trump's thing
• 23:54
  in a minute.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_02: But if you look at the UK and Ireland right now,
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_02: both are being just flooded with immigrants who have a very different...
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_02: societal outlook than they do.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_02: And we're looking at,
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: especially in Ireland,
• 24:10
  you have a very unique population that was never a participant
• 24:16
  in colonialism or in
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_02: anything like the Brits.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: And they're being demonized for just being Irish.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: Having an Irish identity is not a thing anymore.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_02: And it gets really hard to talk about things like that.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like, well, wait,
• 24:35
  why are the Irish not allowed to have their identity and their
• 24:39
  tradition and all of
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_02: their things?
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_02: They are accepting migrants.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_02: They are welcoming people in, but now they can't even exist.
• 24:49
  And their mere existence is seen as a negative and is seen as
• 24:54
  something racist when
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_02: they just are who they are.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's hard because you can't talk about these things without sounding like
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: people on the right who are saying this with bad intent,
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_02: but it's also something that we should be able to talk about.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well,
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: I think what you're talking about is the great replacement people,
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: the people like,
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: oh,
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: this is a...
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_02: Tucker's crazy and kind of racist.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think that it is a...
• 25:25
  People try to find conspiracy and coordination where simple
• 25:29
  ineptitude and giving
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: in and having your better nature abused against you is a better argument.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_02: Here is...
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: To tie this in with the radicalization of women,
• 25:42
  if you can hear the pain in my voice of me trying to say all of
• 25:47
  these things in a
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_02: way that's not going to get me nuked for more of it,
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: this is a perfect example of it.
• 25:55
  I'm having a hard time having this conversation right now
• 25:58
  because I'm like,
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_02: oh,
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_02: how many people are going to yell at me for these things?
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: Which is absolutely ridiculous, by the way.
• 26:05
  But it is a perfect example of that societal pressure that a
• 26:09
  lot of women are facing.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: Again,
• 26:11
  I don't I think racial racial inevitable with the word of term
• 26:17
  I'm looking for
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: racial essentialism is incredibly stupid.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: It is a it is.
• 26:24
  A stupid person's understanding of the world to say this is
• 26:27
  because this is because
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: of the person,
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: the color of the person's skin.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: Are there genetic differences between the different races?
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: Asian people can't can't handle lactose.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: Africans, Africans.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_02: But even those are like wild generalizations.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: Africans, Africans get single cell anemia.
• 26:49
  But none of this reflects any of the – these are minor
• 26:54
  biological just quirks of history.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: But the –
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone I firmly believe is capable of the same abilities,
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: but we all work within the cultural framework in which we were raised.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: We all culture is the determining factor.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: Many of the problems in America,
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: both in the inner cities and in the rural Appalachia,
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: many of the problems are caused not by race.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: They're caused by culture.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: And women's toxic.
• 27:30
  Toxic femininity,
• 27:32
  the culture of American women has never been worse and more
• 27:40
  destructive.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, that's true.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that was like take race out of it.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_02: Take everything out of it.
• 27:48
  Women in the United States have never been more toxic and more
• 27:54
  disruptive.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: They would see that as a good thing.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_02: I do not see it as a good thing.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: I actually see it as a really bad thing.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_02: I take your word for that.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: I don't operate in that world against women.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 28:10
  one of my good friends from college has always described
• 28:12
  herself as being a—she is
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: a chauvinist and a misogynist.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, it's so weird, man.
• 28:25
  I don't know that I would call myself that,
• 28:28
  but I don't know that I would not call myself that.
• 28:32
  I've always been a bro,
• 28:34
  but I have always been a bro because I've never been someone
• 28:38
  who...
• 28:44
  gels well with toxic feminine nature i've always been kind of
• 28:50
  an outsider with
• 28:51
  girls i've never felt like i'm one of the girls i've never felt
• 28:57
  included or like i
• 28:59
  don't know we'll get into a psychotherapy session with gordy
• 29:03
  here but no like i've
• 29:05
  always gotten along better with women than with men for the
• 29:07
  most part um i think
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_00: because i'd
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: I am a good listener, but I am.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm an excellent listener.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_02: You don't remember anything anyone tells you.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm a good listener in the moment.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you're a gray rocker.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: But also I'm just not – I'm not competitive or macho at all.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: I've never been at all –
• 29:41
  competitive in literally anything whatever see and i'm a hyper
• 29:44
  competitive so i'm a
• 29:46
  better friend with dudes no i just like girls i've never i will
• 29:52
  say every like
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: super emotional trauma that i still deal with i would say 90 of them are
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_02: interactions with women not men
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: Well, women are very cruel to each other in there.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, so cruel.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: Much more,
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: men,
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: for the most part,
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 30:16
  there are these uber machos who will try to pick fights with
• 30:18
  people they don't
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: like.
• 30:19
  But for the most part,
• 30:20
  if a man doesn't like another man,
• 30:21
  he just doesn't talk to him.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, I don't need that.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: We're not going to talk to each other.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, they can be in the same room.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: They just won't talk to each other.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_00: The men insult each other for fun.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: If you're being insulted,
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: if you're a man being insulted by another man,
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: that means that guy thinks that for the most part,
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: that guy thinks that you're a really good friend of his.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_02: Which I identify with a very Irish Catholic family.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like if we don't insult you, we don't love you.
• 30:51
  Like I have to be able to take the piss or I clearly don't
• 30:56
  think that high of you.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: However, with women, it's very, very different.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like if I'm upset with you, I will not just...
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_02: make fun of you or say something mean, like, I will destroy you.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: I don't travel in that world.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: I've looked at my Twitter, even on Twitter, my Twitter statue.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: Look, I've got a decent number of women, but it's not that many.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's mostly dudes.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_02: Well, but that's just because Twitter is a lot more men than women.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_02: They just are.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: What is my... Let's see.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: I don't...
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to pop open analytics here.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_02: Does it tell you that in the Twitter analytics?
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even look at Twitter analytics because I have a small account.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: I have,
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: according to Twitter analytics,
• 31:48
  I have 80.9% male following and 18.0% female following and 1.1%
• 31:54
  not specified.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know what's going on with that not specified there, but.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Twitter is much more of a men's atmosphere.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_02: Which is why I enjoy it more than,
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_02: say,
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_02: Instagram,
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: where I keep getting requests on my Instagram.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: People are always like, oh, you need to start doing outfit of the days.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, I'm wearing a gas station hoodie.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_02: Like, nobody needs to see this.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: They just want you to post thirst traps.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_00: Don't fall for it.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I am.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'll do it.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: In your gas station hoodie.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_02: In my gas station hoodie.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_02: No,
• 32:33
  I put up a picture today in my Instagram stories because I'm
• 32:37
  getting so many
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_02: requests for it.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, why do you want to see me?
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I wear sweats.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_02: That's funny.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's a new trend.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: They want to see you.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's not a new trend.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_02: This is a decades old trend.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: They want to see you.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_02: Wanting to see me is the new trend.
• 32:50
  Because Instagram is using those photos to build up a database
• 32:56
  of people's faces
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: and physiques they could use to dupe you later.
• 33:00
  They're going to use that information to create the pod person
• 33:04
  to one day replace you.
• 33:06
  Well,
• 33:07
  my pod person is going to look like a homeless person in a
• 33:11
  jacket and gas station hoodie.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's not even like Buc-ee's or something that people would know of.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's a random gas station like in Backwoods, Colorado.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: Why did you buy it?
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_02: Because I love that gas station.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: Fair enough.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_02: It's the gas station on top of Monarch Pass.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: When we drive to Crested Butte, we always stop at this one gas station.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's like our family joke.
• 33:41
  And we have been there enough times that I bought a hoodie from
• 33:45
  them because I was
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: I love Tamichi Creek.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 33:51
  Apparently enough people do for them to bother to make hoodies
• 33:54
  that are branded.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: So you're not alone.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's just because if it's a pass that can get really gnarly,
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_02: especially in winter,
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_02: and they do close the pass and they close the pass like right there.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_02: So if you get stuck on either side of it.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: Probably not going to get very gnarly this winter.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's not snowing.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_02: No snow for you.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_02: Actually,
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_02: though,
• 34:17
  I say that and I did just tweet a picture of one of the
• 34:22
  neighborhood that one of my
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_02: properties is in is like has snow.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_02: That made me sound far bougier than I am.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_02: You did.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_02: I am not that bougie.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: One of your many properties.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we have two.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_00: Your butler's vacation house.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_02: Sure, we'll call it that.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, we have the north-south divide.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_02: If you have a north-facing house in Colorado, you deal with snow and ice.
• 34:55
  And if you have a south-facing house,
• 34:57
  it melts the day it snows and you don't have to clear.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: And I put up a picture that was very, very...
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: The weird state of Colorado.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: No, Colorado is the weirdest of states.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_02: But we do not have much snow and ice this year.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's very sad.
• 35:17
  It's going to be it's it was 14 degrees when I got in the car
• 35:22
  this morning and it's
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_02: going to be 51 today.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_02: I'm tired of this traffic.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's unpleasant.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: It isn't January weather.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_02: No, 51 is just – this is why I'm wearing a gas station hoodie every day.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_02: I can't wear my cute sweaters and things.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_02: Nope.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_02: Never going to be winter in Colorado.
• 35:41
  You brought up the U.K.,
• 35:44
  so I think that's a good – No,
• 35:46
  I really want to talk about the U.K.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: and the ultimate troll.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, wow.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_00: What ultimate troll?
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: You go ahead.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: I was going to jump into a different story, but go ahead.
• 35:59
  Oh,
• 35:59
  I think it is amazing and the absolute ultimate troll of Donald
• 36:04
  Trump.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_02: If he offers Jews in the U.K.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_02: asylum status, it's amazing.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_02: This is the best thing I've seen all week.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: Trump's trolls I'm not always on board with, like Greenland.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_02: I joke about Greenland.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_02: We all know I want my pet narwhal.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_02: I'm kind of like...
• 36:21
  this is a little bit interesting um but i definitely think that
• 36:29
  granting british
• 36:31
  jews asylum status in america because the uk is so anti-semitic
• 36:38
  would be like the
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_02: most masterful troll and genuinely useful thing he could do
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I think that is a good move.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: I think that England has let itself go to some very dark places,
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: and I don't know when or how it's ever going to get back from them.
• 36:55
  When even the UAE is saying the UK is a little bit too
• 37:00
  anti-Semitic and a little
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_02: bit too extremist militant.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_02: To send UAE children to school there.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's the UAE and Saudi Arabia.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:12
  Because they said that the British schools have become a hotbed
• 37:17
  of recruitment for
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: the Muslim Brotherhood.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_02: When Saudi Arabia says that you are too militant Islam,
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_02: you might want to take a look in the mirror.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_02: And yet the UK just doubles down.
• 37:30
  Keir Starmer is like,
• 37:31
  oh,
• 37:32
  let me just dig in further and further entrench this into our
• 37:36
  roots.
• 37:37
  Whereas I will laugh for days and days if his wife is granted
• 37:41
  asylum status in the
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_02: US because his country has become so anti-Semitic.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: Well,
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: especially,
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: what's it,
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: yesterday I tweeted a comment on this that it didn't do great,
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_00: so a lot of people probably didn't see it.
• 37:55
  But that,
• 37:56
  what's it,
• 37:57
  Shabbat Mahmood,
• 37:59
  who is apparently the UK Home Secretary,
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: not going to get into that,
• 38:05
  is she gave an interview where she said that she would like
• 38:10
  British society,
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: quote,
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: when I was in justice,
• 38:14
  my ultimate vision for that part of the criminal justice system
• 38:17
  was to achieve,
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: by means of AI and technology,
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: what Jeremy Bentham tried to do with his panopticon.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: That is that the eyes of the state could be on you at all times.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: The panopticon is horrifying.
• 38:30
  The fact that someone in British government is speaking well of
• 38:35
  the Jeremy
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: Bentham's panopticon,
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: the panopticon,
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you're aware.
• 38:40
  If you've seen Guardians of the Galaxy,
• 38:44
  the first one,
• 38:45
  have you seen that?
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_02: I have.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_02: It has been a very long time.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know that jail they're in.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: They're in a jail.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's a ring of cells around a giant central guard tower.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: That is the panopticon, or at least isn't a panopticon.
• 39:06
  It was considered to be,
• 39:09
  at the time,
• 39:10
  because Jeremy Bentham actively tried to get these built.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: He thought this was a great idea.
• 39:16
  that it would minimize the staff needed to keep an eye on all
• 39:19
  the prisoners.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: He tried to get them built.
• 39:22
  He was trying to get the government to give him a,
• 39:26
  for having come up with the idea.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_00: But it was considered in the late 18th century when he came up with this.
• 39:34
  probably early 19th,
• 39:37
  so just dehumanizing and insane that they wouldn't do it.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: And now this was for prisoners.
• 39:44
  Apparently,
• 39:45
  she wants to create a panopticon as society,
• 39:48
  which is horrifying because
• 39:52
  I remember when I was in—the first time I went to England,
• 39:55
  I went to London.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: This was 2002, I think.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: At that time, I was shocked by how many cameras they had everywhere.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_02: It's very Bolshevist.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_02: It's very Soviet bloc.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_02: We are just embracing—
• 40:13
  everything about like and and pick a more depressing awful
• 40:20
  stifling time that we
• 40:21
  could live in and revert back to and that's all we are just
• 40:27
  barreling for i mean
• 40:29
  that's america is an outlier in that we we do not we have some
• 40:33
  of it we're not
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_02: we're not totally an outlier in it because i would say as the
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_02: to bookend with the talk about women earlier,
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_02: I would say that American women are hurtling headfirst towards this.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, but it is voluntary.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_00: The manifestation,
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: because of our Constitution and the robust rights that it provides,
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: and state constitutions in many cases,
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_00: is
• 41:03
  A lot of this stuff cannot be implemented in America as it
• 41:07
  currently is structured.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: Now,
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_00: in the future,
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: should you have a Democratic president try to patent the Supreme Court,
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: for instance,
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: Lord knows what we could end up with.
• 41:17
  But I think should that happen,
• 41:19
  we probably won't have to worry about it too long.
• 41:22
  Because by the time you hit the point where one part or the
• 41:24
  other starts trying to
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_00: actively change the fundamental structures of the government,
• 41:31
  I worry that we won't have a government to change the
• 41:35
  structures of for long.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_02: I worry about that as well, especially as you're looking in New York.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_02: If you watch any of Zoran Mandami's videos about making everything free.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:49
  You look in Virginia where Abigail Spanberger,
• 41:52
  the Democrats have taken the state house.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: Abigail Spanberger is now the governor.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: And they have started just blasting out a wish list of insanity.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_02: The minute they took office,
• 42:05
  they have introduced a bill saying they don't want Virginia to
• 42:10
  ever be allowed to
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_02: hand count ballots.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_00: They levied taxes.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_00: They levied taxes on everything, like new tax on everything.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, trumpeting that they are working to bring down prices in Virginia.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, you know, just well beyond any perceived mandate.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: Now,
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: it's my understanding that a lot of these things,
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_00: in fact,
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_00: because of the peculiar way Virginia is structured,
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: a lot of these things have to pass through a referendum,
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_00: voter referendum.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I hope that many of them get knocked down by that referendum.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: But you never know.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_00: I saw somebody...
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: which I thought was fun.
• 42:56
  I don't remember who I saw somebody posted a thing demanding
• 43:01
  that they make
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: Washington DC square again.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_00: And basically arguing that the, in the, I think 1840s,
• 43:10
  uh a lot a bunch of the land that had been originally granted
• 43:15
  to virginia or to
• 43:16
  washington dc was retro assessed to back to virginia uh and
• 43:22
  they were saying that
• 43:23
  that was actually when that was done that was unconstitutional
• 43:26
  for them to do uh
• 43:28
  and there was no like there would have been it needed to be
• 43:31
  constitutional
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: amendments to make that a thing that was never passed so uh that
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_00: Trump should just literally annex Arlington,
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_00: Fairfax,
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_00: that whole area back into Washington,
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: D.C.,
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_00: which would make Virginia immediately Republican again.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_00: Because all of the Democratic voters in Virginia,
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: for the most part,
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: are concentrated in the D.C.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: area because they're all people who work in government,
• 44:01
  because the government bureaucracy is almost exclusively made
• 44:05
  up of liberals.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: Even on the right,
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_00: even the people who work for Republican people in government,
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: for the most part,
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_00: they are themselves liberals.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: They're just, you know, working for a paycheck.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know that I would say they are a lot of all of them.
• 44:24
  But but even the ones that would identify as Republican or as
• 44:30
  conservative tend to
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_02: be very New England Republicans.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, very what they in the West would call rhino Republicans.
• 44:42
  I have a lot of friends who worked in the office that I did who
• 44:46
  have gone on to
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_02: become very,
• 44:49
  very radical leftist social justice warriors that are out with
• 44:53
  their ice whistles
• 44:55
  and dropping their kids off at school and then getting their
• 44:59
  ice whistle and
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_02: showing up to wherever Reddit ice raids tells them to go.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, there's a Reddit group for ice raids, really?
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_02: No, there's tons of them.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_00: Reddit needs to be shut down, man.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_02: Reddit also has, like, Antifa groups.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_02: There's anything you want that is very, very, very leftist socialist.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_02: It exists on Reddit.
• 45:22
  However,
• 45:24
  if you go to the Reddit,
• 45:26
  like,
• 45:26
  Republican or conservative pages,
• 45:29
  it's two people.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_02: It's very, very liberal people.
• 45:33
  like say they're liberal not conservative people talking about
• 45:38
  republicans or you
• 45:40
  have like the nick fontes like crazy types there's no actual
• 45:43
  conservatives there's
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_02: no actual republicans on it because they drove people like me out
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, they were all banned.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_02: Like,
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_02: if you were just a moderate Republican,
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_02: you were banned,
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_02: you were blocked,
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_02: or you were driven from the platform entirely.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_00: I wasn't banned.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_00: I wasn't blocked.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_00: But just – I –
• 46:05
  I didn't join Twitter till after many of the people that I know
• 46:09
  on Twitter did
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_00: because I read Reddit.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_00: Reddit was where I got my news.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_00: And as time went on,
• 46:16
  it became more and more clear that anyone who had my general
• 46:22
  worldview was not
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_00: welcome.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, you know what?
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_00: Why am I staying here?
• 46:27
  i'm having to i'm like you know that's i i'm more and more
• 46:32
  being fed the news with
• 46:33
  a very specific slant uh there are still very small subreddits
• 46:37
  that i will poke
• 46:39
  around in like the red is still useful for the little niche
• 46:41
  groups reddit is really
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_02: useful right now like i still haven't gone to get new tires yet um
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't driven my EV for two weeks because I need new tires.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_02: And instead of fixing a leak in one tire, I just reverted.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_00: Is your tire flat yet?
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_02: No, I keep, I have to keep pumping it up.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_00: Just get your tires fixed.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's not that hard.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_02: We need new tires.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_02: We need new tires anyways.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_02: But when you have an EV,
• 47:12
  it requires significant legwork on your end unless you buy from
• 47:17
  the dealer.
• 47:18
  So we don't want to get the Rivian tires because they're
• 47:23
  insanely expensive.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm an idiot and I have like the biggest tires you can get on my car.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_02: I got the trim with like the jumbo tires.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_02: So I have to get...
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_02: Very large tires.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_02: Anyways, it just requires more homework.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_02: But the Reddit Rivian forum is really, really great for me.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_02: Especially for someone like I have an EV,
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_02: not because I think I'm saving the environment or anything like that.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_02: I have an EV because I just cannot deal with car things.
• 47:56
  Car things are the one thing where I just shut down and I'm
• 48:00
  like,
• 48:00
  I can't deal with this.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like I don't speak car.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_02: I don't understand car.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_02: it's weird to me that cars even work.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't totally understand cars or airplanes.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_02: I just get on them.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to know anything about them.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_02: I just expect them to work.
• 48:17
  So an Evie was the choice for me,
• 48:20
  but getting tires is a whole ass process.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_00: For, for a little, for basically Reddit is still useful for anything.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't even vaguely abut politics.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_00: As soon as politics enters into it, the place turns into a nightmare.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um,
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, they have Ice Raid, like Reddit groups.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_00: Again,
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_00: this is coordinating...
• 48:43
  I follow them just because I want to see them all freak out if
• 48:46
  and when Ice comes
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_02: to Denver.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_02: You know that they're going to wait.
• 48:49
  At some point,
• 48:51
  Colorado will be on the list because we are one of the
• 48:53
  sanctuary cities.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_02: We actually have Denver and Boulder being sanctuary cities.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_02: So at some point...
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_02: they will come here.
• 49:01
  The problem with Colorado is we actually have the largest Fed
• 49:06
  influence outside of
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_02: Washington,
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_02: D.C.,
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_02: if you go like per capita,
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_02: because we have a bunch of military assets.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_02: But then you also have like Forest Service,
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_02: you have EPA,
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_02: you have a lot of things with a presence here.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_02: But then you have NREL,
• 49:23
  NCAR,
• 49:24
  NCAT,
• 49:26
  lots of renewable energy and climate study stuff is all done in
• 49:32
  Colorado.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_02: We also have a big CDC lab.
• 49:36
  They are going to build a virology lab,
• 49:40
  much like the one in Wuhan,
• 49:43
  China.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_02: They are going to build a couple towns over for me at my alma mater.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_02: So...
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_00: Well,
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_00: virology is—I know people are unhappy about that,
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_00: but virology itself isn't a— No,
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_00: it's specific.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_00: Is it legal in America to do in America?
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_00: That was why they were doing it in Wuhan.
• 50:01
  There are specific laws banning gain-of-function research being
• 50:06
  done in America,
• 50:07
  I believe.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how they work around that.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_02: I don't either.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_02: Call Colorado State and ask.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_00: My understanding is that the reason that we're doing it,
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_00: not only is gain-of-function research illegal,
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_00: the government funding gain-of-function research was illegal,
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_00: which is why they were doing it in Wuhan.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_02: They had to go through NGO funding,
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_02: and there's ways that you move money around to do...
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: which is...
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_00: NGOs are actually the real pernicious actors in the world today,
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_00: I think.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_00: But...
• 50:45
  If I had,
• 50:52
  I think high up in my list,
• 50:54
  if someone came to me and said,
• 50:55
  I'm fixing things.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_02: No, totally.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_00: You have to take it out.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_00: Is up to you.
• 51:01
  One of the first things that I would do is I don't want to say
• 51:04
  eliminate the
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_00: concept of 501c3s entirely,
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_00: but
• 51:08
  But 501c3s are a vitally important way to use your
• 51:15
  constitutional right to free speech.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_02: And also they are so shadowy.
• 51:22
  And so there is there is no constitutional right to not have to
• 51:28
  pay taxes on your speech.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_00: That is absurd.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_00: 501c3s are a carve-out that was made.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_00: They have no constitutional backing.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: It all comes down to... I'm okay with it.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_00: I have... I'm okay with it.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_02: I just think if you're...
• 51:56
  So I'm okay with it on the nonprofit,
• 52:00
  like the tax free side,
• 52:02
  being able to give,
• 52:05
  um,
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_02: Political speech.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'm OK with all of that.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think that that should have to be taxed.
• 52:12
  And also,
• 52:13
  if you are accepting government funds,
• 52:16
  that is where I have issue with 501c3s.
• 52:20
  I don't think that nonprofits that are exercising any kind of
• 52:27
  speech should also
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_02: get money from the government.
• 52:29
  I don't – I'm not familiar with any other country that has a
• 52:33
  structure like a 501c3.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_00: If you – like England has – you can donate to things in England.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_00: You don't get a tax write-off for it.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_00: You don't get any benefits for it.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_00: You're just taking your after-tax.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_02: Their taxes are done in such a different way.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_02: Our tax code is ridiculous and needs to be entirely covered.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_00: I think there are –
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_00: I think universities should all be taxed.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think that there is donations to universities should not be.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_00: There's no reason for any of this.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like I said,
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_00: I think that in general,
• 53:04
  the entire tax structure around 501c3s needs to be massively
• 53:08
  reworked because...
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: NGOs are,
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_00: in many cases,
• 53:14
  destroying our country and actually working to destroy our
• 53:18
  world and using tax-free
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_00: money to do it.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're going to work to destroy the country and the world,
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_00: you should at least pay taxes on the money you're using.
• 53:27
  Yeah.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_02: There are some that do very good, valuable work.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_00: Hashtag not all NGOs.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_02: I will say my husband is employed by one that does fantastic work.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_02: But they're also very conscious,
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_02: like his organization,
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_02: because it is religiously affiliated with the Orthodox Church,
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_02: it is an actual arm of the Orthodox Church.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_02: They...
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_02: It is part of their identity to not be political at all.
• 53:58
  It is very difficult to not be political when you are doing
• 54:02
  things like bringing
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_02: aid to,
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_02: say,
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_02: Ukraine or Gaza.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_02: They are not political at all about it.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_02: Most groups do not abide by that.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like his group is just set up for relief now.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like they go in and build houses.
• 54:20
  They're building houses in California right now for people who
• 54:23
  lost their houses in
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_02: the Altadena fire.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_02: I think they might be in Malibu, like in Palisades, but I'm not sure.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_02: I know for sure they are with the Altadena fire.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_02: They do stuff like that.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_02: They're not out putting out commercials for politicians.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_02: They're not, you know, funding any kind of government operations.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_02: There's no weird crossover with that.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_02: It's just relief.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure there are NGOs that do vitally important work like that.
• 54:52
  Then there is the 501c3 status for people who are pushing
• 54:58
  political things.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_02: I have run them.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_02: I have run PACs for them.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_02: I have done that.
• 55:05
  it's that is a very separate thing that and that's the the
• 55:13
  501c3 501c4 thing is is
• 55:15
  just psychotic to me but everybody knows the the money is just
• 55:19
  kind of sloshed
• 55:20
  between the two everybody knows this it's a it is there is no
• 55:24
  real separation
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_00: between 501c3s and 501c4s it is
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_00: But it's just it's literally just a notation, a notation.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_00: Well,
• 55:32
  this one has to be through the three because it's because it's
• 55:36
  and this one has to
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_00: be through the four because it's a little too political for the three.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_02: The staffs are often there is no too political for the three, though.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 55:46
  it's it's actually ridiculous how much you can get away with
• 55:49
  between the three and
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_02: the four.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_02: Again, as someone who ran political programs for a three and a four.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_00: At the very least,
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_00: the IRS needs to actually do its job and be vetting these,
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_00: vetting all of them constantly.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_00: You can probably set up an AI to do it.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_02: But you have to register your activities and things when you do them.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_02: Like when you engage in political activities.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_02: Can you hear that dinging, by the way?
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, good.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_02: My husband is blowing up my text alerts.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_02: There's some weird spam thing happening to his accounts.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_02: I... It's hard because I see value in what they do.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_02: I think we should allow political speech like that.
• 56:39
  I just think that any kind of government assistance or money
• 56:43
  should not be involved
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_02: with people that are...
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_02: partaking in political speech.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_00: I think that any current nonprofit that is doing worthwhile work,
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_00: that is donors considered to be worthwhile,
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_00: would give money regardless of if it was taxed for you,
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_00: if that money was taxed or not.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_00: I think,
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_00: so what you would be doing is disincentivizing the people who,
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_00: people wonder why people like,
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_00: Bill Gates and George Soros are giving huge traunches of money to things,
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_00: partially,
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_00: yes,
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_00: because they want to shape the world,
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_00: but partially because it's a big tax shelter for them.
• 57:25
  You give some ridiculously large amount of money when you have
• 57:29
  a ridiculously large
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_00: amount of money but not a lot of income,
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_00: and you've indemnified yourself from paying income tax.
• 57:36
  Sure,
• 57:36
  but then you have people who give a lot more because it's that
• 57:40
  tax write-off like me.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_02: For someone like me, I'm not making money.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_02: throngs and throngs of money,
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_02: but I will give more because I can knock my corporation into a...
• 57:52
  I think it's a question of how much good overall does the
• 57:58
  system do versus how much
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_00: bad does the system do?
• 58:01
  And I think that's something that really needs to be put into a
• 58:03
  balance and
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_00: considered and hasn't been considered.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like I said, I think if nothing else, when people...
• 58:12
  People on the left,
• 58:12
  especially atheist left,
• 58:13
  will start talking about we need to tax churches.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_00: And my immediate response is universities first.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_00: Tax universities, and then we'll have a discussion about churches.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_02: And outlaw things like teachers unions and maybe we'll talk then.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_00: Public sector unions in general should be outlawed.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_00: Public sector unions are terrible.
• 58:35
  But that goes back to my if you're taking government benefit or
• 58:39
  if you are paid by
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_02: the government or in any way shaping government policy,
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it should be tax exempt.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it should be.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_02: It goes into all of that.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_02: Like NGOs, sometimes I think that they can do good.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_02: I think that, again, if you are engaged in any form of politics...
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_02: and you are taking any public money,
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_02: you shouldn't be allowed to do the tax-exempt political speech.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_02: We are creating this giant circle that just feeds itself.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_00: And on that note, I think we're good.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_00: We don't really have time to launch into a new...
• 59:31
  I was a little off energy on this one because this one is
• 59:35
  really riddled with
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_02: potholes for me.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_02: But I think that is a great...
• 59:42
  illustration of just how strong the toxic women on the left
• 59:48
  have become because I
• 59:50
  am specifically not part of that group and I am very actively
• 59:55
  not trying to be
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_02: called out and canceled by that group.
• 1:00:00
  My stammering and nervous laughter is a really good
• 1:00:06
  illustration of just how strong
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_00: that pull is.
• 1:00:09
  Hopefully you don't catch flack for not pushing back on me and
• 1:00:12
  my I probably will.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_02: And also, I don't care because I agree with you.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_02: I this is just a tick and it's a tick I don't like in myself.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_02: I don't like feeling like I have to censor myself.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to censor myself.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_02: This is just how used to it I am.
• 1:00:30
  And I will come out and say,
• 1:00:32
  like,
• 1:00:33
  you can hear how nervous I am this whole episode.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_02: And it is because I feel that pressure.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_02: And I hate that about myself and don't want to feel that pressure.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 1:00:45
  I'm going to start taking steps to push back,
• 1:00:48
  but you'll have to be patient.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_00: Be the change you want to see in the world.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_02: You'll have to be patient with me for a little bit.
• 1:00:53
  I'm going to sound really idiotic for a while because this is
• 1:00:56
  not my normal.
• 1:00:58
  And I am used to defaulting to just shutting up and being
• 1:01:02
  silent because that is so
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_02: often what we're told to do.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_00: Just heading back to the kitchen.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, just get myself back.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_02: I am actually going to end this call and get back into the kitchen.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_02: There you go, sir.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_02: Apparently that's the only thing I can.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_00: Great.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_00: Bye.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_02: I think we did it.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_00: Bye.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_00: Bye.