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Was Lanterns Actually Copaganda All Along? (Lanterns Episode 8 Finale Review Feat. Because We Are) · For All Nerds Show

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  Speaker 1: But when it comes to Sinestro being waterboarded, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: care because he was an alien.
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  Speaker 2: And I know that that's probably not okay. Wait a minute.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 3: But he looked like a regular nigga. Like, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I was like, yo. Man said, oh, he's
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  Speaker 3: a different color.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care about him. Jesus Christ. That is not
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  Speaker 2: what he said. And what's up, y'all?
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to a very special episode of the For All
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  Speaker 3: Nerd Show.
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  Speaker 2: As always, it's your boy DJ Ben Amin, a.k.a. Cal L.
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  Speaker 4: Bundy, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 3: The Red, the Black, the Green Lantern. The Anti-Trife Equation
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  Speaker 3: in Blackish Night, Finestro, that purple, that purple, that purple
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  Speaker 3: lantern as well. And as always, I'm joined by.
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  Speaker 5: Tatiana King, the Grand Duchess of Tech, also known as
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  Speaker 5: Flex Luthor, Glorilla Grodd, Fear of Zod, Jewel Zantana, and
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  Speaker 5: Black and Yellow Lantern.
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  Speaker 3: And rounding out the trio, we have.
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  Speaker 4: The.
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  Speaker 6: Fire Scepter Prospector, a.k.a. Portia, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 7: Maester P, make him say, hmm, a.k.a. Captain Planet, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 7: X-Men's Rogue One.
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  Speaker 2: Very good.
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  Speaker 3: I like the new one, Portia. Yes, and we have
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  Speaker 3: some very special guests tonight. Finally back on our turf. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of things need to be addressed, but we'll
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  Speaker 3: get to that later.
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  Speaker 8: First of all, this has been months.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, still mad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, still mad.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I was thinking about that ish the other day.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: We do have the because we are podcast. And since
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  Speaker 3: it's three of them, I'm going to let themselves introduce themselves.
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  Speaker 4: So please.
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  Speaker 3: Gentlemen.
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  Speaker 2: I'll start.
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  Speaker 9: I'm Tren, also known as Tren Dollaz, a.k.a. Tren the Cancerian, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 9: Nose Ring, a.k.a. Septum Poppy, a.k.a. Don't listen to him.
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  Speaker 9: He look kind of gay.
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  Speaker 2: That kind of shit.
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  Speaker 9: All the comments that they give me on YouTube.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad to be here.
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  Speaker 1: And I am Hod, the Queensiest of them all, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 1: the Millennial Marvel, a.k.a. The scientist and the engineer, I
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  Speaker 1: only came over to.
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  Speaker 2: But what's going on, y'all? How's everybody doing? Welcome.
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  Speaker 8: And my name is Damon, a.k.a. Dame Harvey, a.k.a. The
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  Speaker 8: Bald Assassin, a.k.a. The Flyest and the Highest, a.k.a. MF Damon, a.k.a. Yes,
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  Speaker 8: I have my own mustache under the fake one. How
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  Speaker 8: you guys doing tonight?
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  Speaker 3: This is probably the first time I've ever seen you
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  Speaker 3: without the fake mustache. Stop saying that, man.
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  Speaker 8: It is not true. I did not have the mustache
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  Speaker 8: on before we started recording.
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  Speaker 4: And we are here for the lanterns.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Don't even need to add an S to it. I
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  Speaker 4: was always talking about that.
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  Speaker 3: HBO got black people like they, you know, you can't
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  Speaker 3: add an S to lanterns already because it's already a lantern.
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  Speaker 6: So, you know, they knew who their audience was because
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  Speaker 6: he's watching the show heavy.
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  Speaker 4: There it is. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: And the finale dropped dirt and stars.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Can't add an S to that either. Dirt and stars.
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  Speaker 3: And we're here with the, because we are podcast to
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  Speaker 3: discuss it all the whole season, all that good stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I know y'all been waiting on this one. Because we are,
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  Speaker 3: you know, how do y'all feel?
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  Speaker 4: Actually, no.
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  Speaker 10: You know, because I mean, yeah, you know, it's we
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  Speaker 10: have not really, you know, had this type of energy,
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  Speaker 10: you know, I'd say, you know, on this podcast over
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  Speaker 10: this season.
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  Speaker 3: So I've heard things, you know, there seems to be
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  Speaker 3: word on the street. that you were not the biggest
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  Speaker 3: fan of Lance Hurts.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, hell no, man. What the fuck, man?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, man. Listen, that was a trick. I actually
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  Speaker 9: am not that big a fan of cop shows, man.
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  Speaker 9: I'm just not, like, into that genre whatsoever. I have
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  Speaker 9: this thing where it's almost like a Bechdel test, but
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  Speaker 9: I don't like watching shit where people always portray it
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  Speaker 9: as cops. You know, I feel like there's a thing
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  Speaker 9: happening a lot where a lot of black actors get
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  Speaker 9: casted as cops. And that's when I'm like, a lot
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  Speaker 9: of people back in the day was like, oh, you
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  Speaker 9: got to watch when they get in that dress. I
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  Speaker 9: was like, nah, you got to watch when they start
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  Speaker 9: playing cops. When they in them law and order shows
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  Speaker 9: and all that different stuff.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I'm like, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody's on law and order though.
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  Speaker 3: That's like impossible not to be impossible.
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  Speaker 9: I know, but I'm just like, it's like the pipeline
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  Speaker 9: and shit.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of.
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  Speaker 9: Of, like, the whole, like, space cop thing. Even though
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  Speaker 9: apparently that's what they are in the comics. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: correct me if I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 2: No, they are.
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  Speaker 9: And I've just always been into just the whole alien
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  Speaker 9: aspect of it with the different powers and different meanings
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  Speaker 9: and stuff. That was what I was kind of looking for.
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  Speaker 9: Looking for more alien battles, more sci-fi stuff. But it
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  Speaker 9: was a little too grounded for my.
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  Speaker 6: Too grounded.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. For my liking. So, I just.
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  Speaker 9: I watched it because I wanted to talk about it
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  Speaker 9: with my boys and talk about it with y'all. Especially
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  Speaker 9: I finished this show because y'all was.
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  Speaker 2: Like, yo, please come through.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you right now. I don't, I wasn't hate watching.
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  Speaker 9: Cause obviously I watch a lot of media and there's
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  Speaker 9: always things that I will find that I enjoy about it,
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  Speaker 9: but it's just not even worth me pointing out.
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  Speaker 2: Cause I probably won't be watching the show.
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  Speaker 6: The next season.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think so, personally.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like calling it a cop show is a
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  Speaker 3: bit reductive. That would be my first rebuttal to that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I feel like it's calling it a bit reductive. Honestly,
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  Speaker 3: that was a lot of people's complaint about the show,
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  Speaker 3: is that it wasn't the true detective buddy cop show
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  Speaker 3: that they were promised in the trailer. which I found
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  Speaker 3: funny because I don't know. I don't, I don't care
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  Speaker 3: about trailers and two, I'm not, you're not promised anything
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  Speaker 3: by anything.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, you got to watch the show and find
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  Speaker 4: out what it is.
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  Speaker 3: But to call this a cop show, when to me,
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  Speaker 3: the whole point and something I tried to explain to
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  Speaker 3: people over and over. In fact, we, you know, there
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  Speaker 3: was a lot of contention in our comments about this,
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  Speaker 3: that people felt that it, you know, John was a cop.
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  Speaker 3: All he did was obey orders and, And I kept
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  Speaker 3: pointing out that it was a journey and it was
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  Speaker 3: a character arc. And that if you ever looked at
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  Speaker 3: any of the scenes that they showed even early on
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  Speaker 3: in the series, when it was 2026, John was not
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  Speaker 3: acting like a cop. He was not obeying orders. He
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  Speaker 3: was doing whatever he wanted to. And as we see
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  Speaker 3: at the end of the show, John explicitly refuses the
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  Speaker 3: idea of being a cop, of taking a cop's oath,
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  Speaker 3: of wearing a cop's uniform, of doing any of that
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  Speaker 3: stuff and opts to be a superhero. I will say
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  Speaker 3: he does waterboard somebody, you know, in that same episode.
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  Speaker 2: So, you know, get you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You know, valid points.
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  Speaker 2: Programming.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't argue everything here because that was definitely,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I got a list of notes right here.
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  Speaker 3: And number two is waterboarding right after Carrie is bugging. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I can't disagree, but I do say that it is
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  Speaker 3: a bit reductive and I feel like there is. a
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  Speaker 3: lot of forces at work here. You know, there are,
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  Speaker 3: it's a large writer's room and certain writers might have
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  Speaker 3: certain opinions about waterboarding.
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  Speaker 4: And I feel like I'm sure other writers had other opinions.
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  Speaker 3: And someone out and John Waterboard, somebody in this episode.
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  Speaker 5: Damn.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 5: So, Tren, generally speaking, you just felt it was too grounded.
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  Speaker 5: You were looking for more outer space shit.
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  Speaker 2: Gotcha. Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: I was really looking. Because I didn't watch the trailers
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  Speaker 9: at all, I don't think. Not that I can remember.
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  Speaker 9: I don't think we watched it on our show. We did.
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  Speaker 9: But I went in dry. No expectations whatsoever. I was
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  Speaker 9: just trying to see what they were going to do
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  Speaker 9: with it.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, man.
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  Speaker 9: And I just was not, you know, I wasn't that
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  Speaker 9: pulled by any of it because like, even in you,
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  Speaker 9: even when you're like in your rebuttal and you're talking
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  Speaker 9: about how it's not like he kind of rejected the
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  Speaker 9: idea of the, the, the cop idea, stuff like that.
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  Speaker 9: If it is a cop show, then all this stuff
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  Speaker 9: that he's rejecting, what does that mean? But this, all
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  Speaker 9: that coding, that's why we're able to think about that.
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  Speaker 9: That's why I was able to pick that apart. You know,
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  Speaker 9: I try to go in, with no type of background
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  Speaker 9: for what it is. And I took all that in immediately,
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  Speaker 9: especially with the fact that they were calling themselves space cops.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's kind of, they weren't in space.
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  Speaker 2: So what are they?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Green Lantern of Sector 2814, which includes the
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  Speaker 3: dirt and the stars as pointed out in this episode.
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  Speaker 3: I feel you, but I also feel like you're making points.
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  Speaker 2: That are like, this is explained in the show for him.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I'm sorry, but you know, cause these are also,
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  Speaker 3: it's not just you, you know, that's the thing. These
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  Speaker 3: are points that are being made by a large portion
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  Speaker 3: of the audience. And when we talk about media literacy,
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  Speaker 3: I kind of be like, bro, like that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: this is the point of the show. Like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you can't have things, you know, the wire won't work
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  Speaker 3: if you don't, you know, explore, uh, the drug trade,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's like, you don't get the wire without
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  Speaker 3: exploring drug trade and police, you know, it's like, you
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  Speaker 3: don't get this show without saying this is a cop
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  Speaker 3: and maybe that's not the best thing.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: That's like, I don't, you know, you got to explain
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  Speaker 3: what a cop is, you know, to say a cop
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  Speaker 3: ain't good. And it's like, we have this discussion even
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  Speaker 3: about the water board and where, you know, all of
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  Speaker 3: us for the most part are like, well, that's wild out. And,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to say names, but you know, I
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  Speaker 3: do think that, like I say, the writer's room has a,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a couple of different things, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I just, I feel like, yeah, I feel like some
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  Speaker 3: of this is just explained in the show.
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  Speaker 5: And it's like, it's not, well, I do want to
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  Speaker 5: hear from Hod and Dame, which I felt about the,
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  Speaker 5: about the series.
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  Speaker 1: So I'll, um, I didn't take as much umbrage with the, the,
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  Speaker 1: the cop stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I thought that, I thought that was fine.
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  Speaker 1: When you bring up media literacy though, Uh, this was
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  Speaker 1: one of those shows that actually made me question, like,
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: am I stupid? Because there was, there was multiple points
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  Speaker 1: that I really could not tell what I was supposed
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: to be focusing on. I didn't, I didn't like the
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: time jumps. I personally didn't like the time jumps. So
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  Speaker 1: I want to start here.
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  Speaker 2: I did not.
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  Speaker 1: I saw the news reports, right? That Aaron, um, Pierre
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: was going to be green lantern, right? I did not
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: bother to find out what he was going to be
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: Green Lantern in. I know that there's they're doing a
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: bunch of DCU stuff on in the Warner Brothers side.
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  Speaker 1: And I know James Gunn has been doing a lot
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  Speaker 1: of stuff over there. So I personally, once I get
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  Speaker 1: the reports, my worry is always that I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to get.
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  Speaker 2: Spoiled with anything.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: Because it's like with Jean Grey, the Jean Grey reveal
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  Speaker 1: was me. I was I was shocked that. the villain
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: in Spider-Man turned out to be Jean Grey. That was
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: so cool. So once I find out that an actor
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  Speaker 1: that I'm familiar with is going to be in a movie,
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  Speaker 1: I don't really want to know anything else. So coming
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: into the show, I didn't even know it was a
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  Speaker 1: show about Green Lantern.
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  Speaker 2: I thought I saw Lanterns. I saw, oh, are you
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  Speaker 2: watching Lanterns? Are you watching Lanterns? It's Aaron Pierre. All right, cool. Oh, shit,
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  Speaker 2: this is a Green Lantern show? That's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 3: But.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know anything about Green Lantern. I'm not, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not really familiar.
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  Speaker 1: The problem is I don't think I still don't, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think I know anything about the Lantern still. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think I learned anything about the Guardian still. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think I learned much about the world. I know
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  Speaker 1: about Jon Stewart. I think that, I think the, obviously
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: his arc was incredible, right? We, we learned about him
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  Speaker 1: from when he was a kid and, I totally got all.
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  Speaker 2: Of that stuff like with his parents.
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  Speaker 1: Um, but I don't think the show did enough to
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  Speaker 1: justify wanting to be a green lantern in the first
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: place or wanting to be a lantern in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: John not wanting to be a lantern should have been
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  Speaker 1: more unreasonable. Like it should have, to me, it should
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  Speaker 1: have been more like, of course.
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  Speaker 2: You want to be a lantern, right? Everyone would want
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  Speaker 2: to be a lantern.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think, based on the way how Jordan represented
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  Speaker 1: being a Lantern and the way the, you know, the
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: Guardians kind of posited the role, my question was, why
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: does Jon want to do this at all? So like
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  Speaker 1: him not becoming a Lantern at the end, or rather
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  Speaker 1: him not joining the Lantern Corps at the end felt
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  Speaker 1: like the most natural conclusion. And I don't think that
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  Speaker 1: was the point. I think they should have created it
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  Speaker 1: to where him not him not accepting the role was subversion,
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: but it didn't feel like subversion.
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  Speaker 2: It felt like the more natural conclusion. So I.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if the show was for people who
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: don't know anything about Green Lantern or don't know anything
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  Speaker 1: about that, that backstory, because. I just don't I don't
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  Speaker 1: feel like I learned much about the world and the
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: fact that the show was called Lanterns instead of. steward
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  Speaker 1: or you know what i mean or just like something
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  Speaker 1: more direct to him i felt like i would have
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  Speaker 1: appreciated it a bit more but yeah there was just
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: like imagine avengers but it's just hawkeye you know what
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  Speaker 1: i mean like it's just like it's just it just
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  Speaker 1: feels like that you know what i mean like okay
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  Speaker 1: like he's he's seeing all these things happening he knows
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  Speaker 1: all of these things are happening but the only time
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  Speaker 1: you're interacting with sinestro The only time you're interacting with
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  Speaker 1: a guardian is these very quiet, soft moments, as opposed
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  Speaker 1: to that Sinestro. Like we, you know, he's one of
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: the bigger villains. He should be doing cool shit. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: trend did bring up on our show. There's all these
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  Speaker 1: aliens right in the, uh, you know, part of the
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  Speaker 1: cult and all this other thing.
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  Speaker 2: And they're all shooting guns. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: And it was just, it just, it just felt like,
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  Speaker 1: It felt like there was a bigger reason why we
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  Speaker 1: weren't seeing that stuff as opposed to that's just the
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  Speaker 1: story they wanted to tell.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it was.
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  Speaker 6: Well, they explained it a few times.
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  Speaker 5: If you watch the after show, a lot of people
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  Speaker 5: skip this part, don't realize it's even happening. But when
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: you watch the whole show through at the very, very end,
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: it's the after show. That about two minutes where they
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: just talk about the episode and why they did certain things.
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  Speaker 5: And they had said many times that... they didn't want
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: to be, essentially, they didn't want to be cliche. They
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: didn't want to overly rely on the comic book-esque of it, right?
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  Speaker 5: They didn't want to over-rely on the space, you know,
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  Speaker 5: outer space shit of it, right? Like, they wanted to
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: say this, number one, unfortunately for you, Trent, they said
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: they did this as a grounded story on purpose. They
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: wanted this to be fully grounded. Yes, it had the
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: true detective DNA in it, which is why the style
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: was the way it was. And also because you didn't
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: you saw things like them aliens, quote, shooting guns.
• 15:55
  Speaker 6: They were in human form. That's another thing.
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  Speaker 5: When these aliens take on human form, they are bound
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  Speaker 5: by the quote, generally the limits of humanity.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 5: And what's the best shit we got? Some fucking guns.
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  Speaker 5: So that's what you're going to see. And as mentioned,
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: they're just, Damon Lindenhoff and the rest of the team,
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: they were just more so like, we want this to
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: be an earthbound series. It's going to have some fantastic
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: elements here and there. Niggas is flying in the series,
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: but you're not going to get like, it's not some
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: men in black shit. We don't get tentacles and niggas
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: flying in spaceships that you can see and shit like that.
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: Like that's not, that's just not the vibe they was
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: going for.
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 16:31
  Speaker 7: I get what you're coming from because I also had
• 16:33
  Speaker 7: no idea what Green Lanterns was outside of just the bare,
• 16:37
  Speaker 7: bones understanding of like there were rings involved and you
• 16:40
  Speaker 7: can do things with the rings like that's all I
• 16:42
  Speaker 7: really knew about Green Lanterns and I was like I'm
• 16:44
  Speaker 7: embarking on this journey with two people who know what's
• 16:46
  Speaker 7: going on and I'm just here for the ride see
• 16:49
  Speaker 7: what happens um and I think so yeah like coming
• 16:53
  Speaker 7: into it I was from coming in from a place
• 16:55
  Speaker 7: like a similar place where I was just like okay
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: like what's coming in but I think I had an
• 16:58
  Speaker 7: opposite reaction to it because I am trying to drink
• 17:02
  Speaker 7: in the elements of like why would someone want to
• 17:04
  Speaker 7: be involved with this like you just are a human
• 17:07
  Speaker 7: on earth why would you want to become involved with
• 17:09
  Speaker 7: this intergalactic core like why would you even do all
• 17:12
  Speaker 7: of that I think the groundedness for me was like
• 17:15
  Speaker 7: a good way for me to get like an understanding
• 17:17
  Speaker 7: of why he would want to do like why would
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: anybody want to do it why would anybody on earth
• 17:21
  Speaker 7: under wrap their brains around it and then so like
• 17:23
  Speaker 7: the trauma.
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: Of John Stewart Sr., having, like, being traumatized by being, like, I.
• 17:30
  Speaker 7: He woke up in the middle of the night by
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: a voice, and, like, an omniscient voice asking him, are
• 17:35
  Speaker 7: you afraid?
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: How did he not know that was God, right? Like,
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: how did he not know who's getting spoken to by, like,
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: the entity from, like, the... Like, he has no idea. So,
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: I think, for me, like.
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: taking it in from that kind of level of understanding and, like,
• 17:48
  Speaker 7: it being grounded. Like, did I love that we were
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: in Nebraska all season?
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: Who loves Nebraska? Do people in Nebraska love Nebraska?
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: Tell me in the comments. But I just feel like.
• 17:59
  Speaker 8: Niggas in Nebraska don't even like Nebraska.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Shout out to Nebraska. Let me know. Niggas in Nebraska
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: don't even like Nebraska.
• 18:10
  Speaker 7: Shout out to y'all. I'm just asking a real question.
• 18:14
  Speaker 7: I'm saying that I completely get what you're saying. I
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: think that you're also saying some things that I didn't
• 18:20
  Speaker 7: even consider about when it comes to actually making this
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: show being called Lanterns Ground and why are we not
• 18:30
  Speaker 7: seeing boom, boom, lantern stuff. I understand that to an extent.
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: I think for me, that's the subversion overall is that
• 18:37
  Speaker 7: we are not getting... We're not, we only truly see
• 18:40
  Speaker 7: by the end of, this is the final episode of
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: the season. We only see one color lantern all season.
• 18:46
  Speaker 7: We got told lanterns. We only saw one color. And
• 18:50
  Speaker 7: we got hints towards different colors.
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: I was hearing the experts here talk about the different colors.
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: And I'm just like, I don't see no other colors, baby.
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: We're just here with the green.
• 19:00
  Speaker 7: And so that was kind of, like, anticlimactic for me
• 19:03
  Speaker 7: at the end of the season was that, like, when
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: he goes to charge the ring and Hal was telling him,
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: you need to be careful.
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: You don't know what's going to happen to you. And
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: it's not yellow. And it's just green.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I was just like, oh. Yeah.
• 19:12
  Speaker 8: I was very disappointed at that, too, because, like, the
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: whole time Sinestro was over there trying to convince him, like, hey,
• 19:17
  Speaker 8: you going to do it?
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: You going to do it? And then he ends up
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: doing it in the end.
• 19:21
  Speaker 8: It's like, all right, where's the payoff or where's the
• 19:23
  Speaker 8: consequences that Sinestro was kind of promising unless there was, like,
• 19:27
  Speaker 8: something in that moment where john was supposed to feel
• 19:29
  Speaker 8: like when he was on that island maybe because he
• 19:31
  Speaker 8: was surrounded by all this fearful water and the air
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: and everything around him was a different type of environment
• 19:36
  Speaker 8: maybe there at that space it would have turned yellow
• 19:39
  Speaker 8: but since it happened on earth it turned green i
• 19:41
  Speaker 8: don't know i think this finale did a good job
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: at leaving both the comic um the comic fans um
• 19:49
  Speaker 8: but the something to wonder going forward in terms.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Of like what did they do to how they.
• 19:54
  Speaker 8: Kept focusing on that nigga's elbow for a long ass
• 19:56
  Speaker 8: time and you're a comic book fan you probably know
• 19:59
  Speaker 8: what that's going to lead to and if you are
• 20:02
  Speaker 8: just a casual general fan i think they left you
• 20:04
  Speaker 8: with enough questions or uh the one i feel like
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: they tied enough loose ends at the end Um, and
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: I also think they left you enough to be curious about. So,
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: cause it hasn't been, I don't think there's been a
• 20:13
  Speaker 8: season two confirmed yet, but if they were to continue
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: on with a season two, there's enough for, you know,
• 20:17
  Speaker 8: to get the general audience to come back at the
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: same time. Um, now my review of lanterns is just
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: completely opposite of these guys.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Uh, I actually enjoyed the show. I did grow up.
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: Not reading any of the Green Lantern comics, but I
• 20:31
  Speaker 8: grew up watching Justice League, Justice League Unlimited. So Jon
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: Stewart was my Green Lantern growing up. I didn't learn
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: about Hal until probably way later on into my teens
• 20:41
  Speaker 8: when I started looking more into that stuff. So I
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: feel like they did a wonderful job in not fucking
• 20:47
  Speaker 8: up Jon. Jon was by far, in my opinion, the
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: best part of this show.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Hal, to me.
• 20:54
  Speaker 8: Was not that interesting at all. I'm used to different
• 20:58
  Speaker 8: variations of.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: How Hal is.
• 21:00
  Speaker 8: I've seen an arrogant Hal. I've seen a new Hal
• 21:02
  Speaker 8: that's kind of getting his bearings together. I've seen a
• 21:06
  Speaker 8: very untrusting Hal. I've seen Hal turn evil. But I've
• 21:09
  Speaker 8: never seen this Hal with a little twang in his voice.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: This Hal kind of felt a little different to me.
• 21:15
  Speaker 8: He talked a little different than usual. We never got
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: to see Hal in Coastal City either. That kind of
• 21:19
  Speaker 8: pissed me off. In Coastal City either. That kind of
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: I mean, it doesn't end well.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: For the people of Coast City, so it's probably for
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: the best that we don't see him there.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: And just really quick, Season 2 has been confirmed. Damon
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: Lindelof has said that he has opted not to return
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: for Season 2, but Season 2 is in early stages
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: of development.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Okay, now, I see all these points, and I definitely
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: understand that, but I don't know, I just... I understand
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: the space stuff and the thing, but at the same time,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: I feel like what they said, it would become quite
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: cliched if every episode ends with, you know, big green
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: fists and stuff. Like, as cool as Green Lantern can be,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: and even John's constructs and stuff, despairingly, like, I thought
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: when they used the drill, you know, or even just
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: little things like the watch, it's just these little moments
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: that make so much more impact than having beams of
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: green light every episode and And even though, like, let's
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: say at this finale where I thought, you know, okay,
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: we're going to get some type of battle in this finale.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: You know, Sinestro's going to forge a ring and all that.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: We got one.
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah. was that a battle or was that just a jump.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Like that five foot one man stomped the living life
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: out of john.
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: Yeah man why is this half alien out there playing
• 22:43
  Speaker 8: football that's cheating.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: That is cheating i was very look hey hey it's.
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: Like that one kid and the incredibles like dash just
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: like yeah yeah.
• 22:53
  Speaker 8: How'd y'all almost lose that game I mean, he was
• 22:56
  Speaker 8: holding back.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: It's a sickness, bro. I know I could beat y'all.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to do it. It's like I've said
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: so many times on this show, if I had superpowers,
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: five rings.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Immediately, dog.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: Five.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Five rings. Would you stop at five? Yeah, I'm not
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: topping Jordan.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: I might not even get five. I might get two.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: You know, because I love Elijah Wong. So I get five.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: I just want to be in conversation. Yeah, I just
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: wanted to be in the car. And really, the riches.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: You know, I just want two rings real quick. Get
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: all the money and vanish.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: And vanish. That's it.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Like, I don't need.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Come back as another nigga and do it again. If
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I was a man or an old boy, I'd play football.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: If you was a man, you'd definitely be violating.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: You'd be coming.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: Back as everybody. Like he said, you'd be violating every
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: fucking sport.
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: Please, don't lie.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Don't lie.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: But just for like two years, just for like two
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: years in each one, it'd be crazy. Like people would
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: be like, yo, there's all these random players just coming
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: in this morning, you know, vanishing, you know.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: I'd run that WNBA too though. It'd be terrible.
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: Not the WNBA.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Leave them alone.
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: They have enough going on.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: I would be so much hype, dog. I'd be a
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: crazy ass black woman dunking and shit.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to see a movie like that.
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: Juana, man.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Juana, man.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: It happened already, yeah.
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: Like 30 years.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Ago i know him taking over like just other niggas
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: and just centuries of just.
• 24:24
  Speaker 7: That sounds like like the disney channel channel show called
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: the jersey where they were kids that found a jersey
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: never being any different character like any different player on
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: the oh that'd.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Be me as a man hunter that'd be me as
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: a man or like you know jersey jersey Saw the
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: inside of my head. You would start screaming, boy.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: Rings.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: I would say this. I do.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: It's a different type of ring over here.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: I do like hearing you guys say something different than
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, some of that I heard online, but.
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: Something different from your perspective. Let me say it this way.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: The way you guys articulated it is very much different
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: from what I've seen online. Online is just complaints with
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: no substance. You guys at least have substance behind what
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: you were saying. So I respect that. I'm not here
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: to change your mind. I am here to say, though,
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: this show was fucking cinema.
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: It fucking was. From back to front, they landed the
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: fucking plane.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: That's how I felt about the finale and how I
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: felt about the season overall. I get what you're saying, how, like, hell,
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: it should have been called Stewart and maybe it would
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: have had a more succinct impact with you. And that
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: is fine. That was the point. This was the vehicle
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: for Jon Stewart, the.
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: New Jon Stewart.
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: For sure.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: And to, as Damon says at the end of this episode,
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: to launch him into the DCU.
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: And what a fucking launch it was. Because this.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: Again, the fact that it even brought you guys and
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: the ones who had no idea what Lanterns was about,
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: what any of this shit was about, but y'all, you know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: unfortunately for Trenton, begrudgingly or not, watched the entire season.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: It means something. It means something.
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: At least you got to give credit to the writing.
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: You got to give credit to the.
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: Production of it to the design of it the way
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: the fucking show sounds right like this this episode the
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: sound design was insane especially when they were on that
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: other planet the um the planet that zoe destroyed so.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: It's a woman who did the score as well and.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: She's yes yes And I'm saying all these different elements
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: because it is an art piece and it's an art
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: piece that has grabbed everybody's attention in one way or another.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: And it has such like political components to it, emotional
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: components to it, societal components.
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: To it, niggas component. Cause the niggas was all over
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: this show too.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: So like, I think at the end of the day,
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: this show was successful in what it really meant to do,
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: which I felt was to introduce you to what I
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: think is the anchor of the new DCU.
• 26:44
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: Lanterns and lanterns specifically green lanterns like it's always been
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: superman's always been batman no it is john stewart at
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: least right now is john stewart is aaron pierre's john
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: stewart it is the green lantern as a mantle as
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: a character and everything that emanates from there so um
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: i i really thought this was a beautiful finale really
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: and the way it ended the way it literally ended
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: in love i love you you know it was a
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: little trick that hologram had to pull but it really
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: showed you the depths and the journey of how and
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: John together throughout this series, even though this was an
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: echo of how it was still how it was his,
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: the true essence of how, and for them to, at
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: the end of the day, come together in love and
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: for John to finally find himself, literally figuratively find himself.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: And what did I say? He was going to get
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: his little birdie wings and fly away. He fucking did it.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: He did it. Yeah.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: I definitely appreciated his, um, that little piece of that
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: little moment he got with his mom at the end.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Incredible.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought that was, that was pretty beautiful. Um,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: they let the dad out.
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: He's like, he's outside of the hook.
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: He had his own separate hug.
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: And then he walked in.
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Like just the, you know, that moment she got where
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: she could breathe probably would felt like decades.
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Just, uh, worrying about him and, you know, even his, um,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of not believing Noah when, when Noah's
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: in the car and telling him that, Oh, you know,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I killed how, you know what I mean?
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: And, uh, he's like, Oh, okay, cool. No.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: And then we go straight to carry. And it's like, so, um, about,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: about what happened to how, right. I thought that was
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: really cool. And his, his, uh, almost like understanding and
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: like forgiving, uh, his mom in that moment of like
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: a mother's love, right? A mother's just like, she's going
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: to put you through things and she's going to, um,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: force you out. And she's going to be terrified the
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: whole time, but she's going to, she's going to do
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: these things because of what your potential is. And him
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: like kind of owning that, like I see my mother,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: what my mother did for me in you as it
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: relates to, uh, you know, Noah, them, them getting that
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: moment at the end, I thought was, was, was pretty cool.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Do y'all think that was not, I don't want to
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: say telegraph, but was that gonna happen? Or did they, did,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: did John need that moment with Noah and Carrie to
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: kind of get there with his mother?
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: It's all part of his growth.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the whole thing, Someone said that Sinestro
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: bought a black family back together, but it's true.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: It's true. And the magical, you know, torture.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: But I don't I think it's just the whole journey.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: And that's something I do want to talk about, because
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: like Tatiana and, you know, I know Portia will have
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: some things to say about it. I love, you know,
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: this whole season. I thought it was near perfect. I
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: thought it was really great how, and I talked about
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: this before, how most of the threads were tied up.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: And even though I do understand, like, how you feel
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: that the Guardians weren't explained enough, I think it's the
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: idea that these dudes have done a lot of shit
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: in the past and aren't quite right. That's all you
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: really need to know, you know, until going forward. Because
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: like Tatiana said, and like Dennis said, this, what happens
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: in Lanterns, a lot of it is going to be
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: explored in the future to DCU. And I feel like
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: the Guardians, because in the comics, they are the architects
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: of a lot of stuff that's happened, you know, because
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: they've been around forever. So I think that's going to
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: be explored more. So I thought this was good enough.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: And as a setup for John, as a setup for
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: making Aaron Pierre a superstar, I thought all that was fantastic.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: And then, The one thing I do want to touch
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: on it, because this has come up a lot, is
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: that people seem to not understand why John would want
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: to be a Green Lantern. And I feel like that
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: was even addressed as one. He's forced down this road.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean, he doesn't you know, it's even
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: he questions it like he has fear about that. You know,
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: do you know when his younger self confronts him? You
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: don't even really want to be a Green Lantern. You know,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: this is not what you want. So I think that's
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: drawing your little book. And I think that's addressed. And
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: it's also that's something that I just really love. And
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: it's something that, you know, I think you'll appreciate when
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: like Vision Quest comes on next week is the amount
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: of blackness in this show. You know, the fact that
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: we can sit here and relate to our own mothers,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: because I said this, I did a review of Rodimus Prime.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: We talked about it as soon as it went off.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: And I was talking about how my own mom would
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: sit there waiting for me when, you know, when I was,
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: especially when I was in college. And after that, I'd
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: come home, you know, I'd go out for the night
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: and she'd be sitting by the door when I came in,
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: you know, till three in the morning, you know, sitting
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: up waiting for me to walk back in the.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: Door, you know?
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, you don't do this when I'm out,
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: you know, living in DC, but when I'm home, you know,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: she's holding her breath till I come home. And so
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: that type of stuff and to see that type of
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: stuff on a HBO show every week, I don't think
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: it's enough credit. And I don't think it's understood that
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: like Bernadette, you know, is losing it.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: Her family is falling apart.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: White woman from space comes down with a diamond and says,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: your husband wasn't insane. You know, all that stuff he
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: was saying is right. And your son could be space.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Jesus cop, as.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: We've said, and can save this family. What I'm saying
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: will save this family. If you do this, you know,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: that's why I don't, It's implied.
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: It's implied.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Because Bernadette knows that Bernadette's been thinking her husband is insane.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: And now suddenly she has evidence that her husband isn't.
• 32:44
  Speaker 11: So it's like but she gets a lot of hope
• 32:46
  Speaker 11: she gets a connotation onto that thing right because i'm
• 32:51
  Speaker 11: just i'm trying to like let's get bernie at her
• 32:52
  Speaker 11: agency she's the one who puts a connotation of like
• 32:55
  Speaker 11: this is what like the guardian the whole time like
• 32:58
  Speaker 11: the guardian is not it's like it's irrelevant to me
• 33:00
  Speaker 11: of whether or not you do this like i'm telling
• 33:03
  Speaker 11: you it's a possibility.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: It's a possibility and the possibility is enough like you
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: riding on.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Hold and like i've also said if You know, somebody
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: comes down from space and says, your son could be
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: LeBron James, you know, Michael Jackson, all this rolled into one,
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: and it'll save your family at once.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: There's a possibility.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Like I said, my parents, you know, good or bad,
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: beat my ass out of fear and a lot of,
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: you know, fear and love for a lot less than that.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: You know, so I really don't understand why people are like, oh,
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: shot or like, you know, I give Bernadette and John Sr.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: their agency. And I feel like they're not. It's just
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: like with how nobody's perfect on this show. I don't
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: think they're villains. I don't think they're heroes. But I
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: do think they were trying their best, you know, like
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: to take from the X-Men in the world of fears
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: and hates them.
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: At some point, everybody on this show was lying.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, constantly.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: Everybody.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: To themselves, to each other.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: Top to bottom.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: You know, inner monologue lion.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Like, everything.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: Like, there's lies.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: John even said it in one episode. He was like, yo,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: I feel like everybody, you think so? Zoe, right?
• 34:08
  Speaker 8: I think everybody's lying to me right now.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: And they were.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: And he also says, and that's what I would do,
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: is lie. And then proceeds to tell a terrible lie.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: And so, yeah, I'm... Like I say, Aaron Pierre is acting, man.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: I was shocked.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. He carried the show.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: For sure. Yeah.
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: Speaking of lies, do you think he was lying to
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: Noah when he told Noah that Zoe told him to, like,
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: kill her? Like, that's what Zoe wanted was for him
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: to kill her.
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: So I thought about that, Portia.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: She held that pose.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: She held.
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: And that's what I'm saying.
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: Like, they did the whole POC solidarity thing for that moment,
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: and that pissed me off again.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: But it took me back to the.
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: And I was like.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: He was like, I think she understood me. I'm like,
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: I guess, nigga.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: But, you know, like.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: It was implied, because as Ben Ami says, you know,
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: she held the stoic, you know, one-tier drop pose, like,
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: if anybody gonna kill me, nigga, it's gonna be you,
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: type shit.
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: So that's what I got out of it. So, yes,
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: I think he was... think john was.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: Lying i just think like one i think john was
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: trying to be poet poetic about the situation he was
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: like you know like because he wasn't technically lying because
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: zoe is a manhunt you don't think that bitch could
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: have jumped out the way just like how she could
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: have pulled him out the car before the shit blew
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: up but she chose not to she chose to stand
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: there she's fucking smiled before he pulled the trigger That
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: means she seen the nigga.
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: He was what a mile away.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: Like, like, yeah, he essentially, she essentially told him, kill me. Yeah.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Take me out.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: You know, I can't be stopped, you know, do this.
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: So no, he didn't lie to Noah. He just made
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: it sound real pretty.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Hmm. She's like, I don't like that.
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: I'm not in the, the general, uh, you know, people
• 36:02
  Speaker 8: that got so excited when he finally flew um but
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: i will say that one thing that would have took
• 36:09
  Speaker 8: it over the top for me because they stayed.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: On his face for a while yeah.
• 36:13
  Speaker 8: If his eyes turned green yeah yeah if his eyes
• 36:16
  Speaker 8: turned green i would have got up and started.
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: Aren't they green already they are that is you know
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: what i mean objectively objectively.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: I do like that they saved some of that for
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: the movie, though, you know, and for having a.
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: Budget, you know, that can really explore that. I didn't
• 36:35
  Speaker 8: need no suit right now. Like, where the fuck did
• 36:36
  Speaker 8: you get this suit from?
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. I wanted to see it, but
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: when he didn't have one, I was like, that's cool,
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: you know? And it's also, don't put on the cop suit,
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: you know?
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: So, come up with your own suit. Exactly.
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: Come up with what it's going to look like.
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: Dame, it did feel a little bit like he was
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: dangling off of a crane at first. Like, you know,
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: how you hold it.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. A little heavy ass. Like a little low budget. Yeah.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: Budget.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: That was another thing I want to talk about the budget.
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: I'm seeing a reported budget of like 15, 16 million
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: dollars an episode.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Where's all that money going?
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: You'd be surprised. It ain't going to special effects, brother.
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: To be honest.
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: It ain't going to special effects. Like, imagine, think about
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: it this way. You know, with Game of Thrones, I
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: don't know if you guys watch Game of Thrones, you
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: know how long it took to really get more than
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: like 30 seconds of a dragon?
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: That's the budget.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Five seasons.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: FX budget is insane. Like, the amount of money you
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: need to make shit happen and make it happen nicely
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: and look good.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: That fucking drill was looking.
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: It's a lot of bread. So, I don't know what
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: I'm saying. For all you know, the FX budget went
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: to that.
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: And honestly, every time, even throughout the season, they was
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: all kind of doing a little dangly piece thing when
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: they were just floating there.
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: And then when they flew away, it became the real FX, right?
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: So, I don't know. Like, it was.
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: That wasn't, first of all, that wasn't even effects. That
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: was practical.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: Like, he was literally dangling off a little rope for
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: a second and then flew off.
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: And that's why we really got guns this season. It's
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: because the budget can only allow for guns.
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: We couldn't get.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Any big blasters. And you learned from what's-his-name on that set? No,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: I'm playing.
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: I mean, these actors are expensive, too. You gotta remember that.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: And I totally get that, but outside of the budgetary concerns,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: did anybody tell Nathan Fillion.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: that he was due to do a show. Why you
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: say that? That man look crazy.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: He ain't been inside of Planet Fitness in six months.
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: My man is.
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: At 65. Wait a minute.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Let my man Nate live. This is a legend.
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: We're not going to attribute this to Nate himself.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: He actually looked like the exact way he did in
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: the Superman movie.
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: He showed up and he looked exactly like that. So continuity.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: How about that? A little bit Like two extra glizzies,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: it seemed like to me. Wow. He looked crazy to me.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Respect to Nate Fillion. But shout out to Nathan Fillion.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Great actor. I pulled that dude.
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: I pulled that dude. Yeah.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: My man said, shout out to Nate Fillion.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Tight ass suit. Like I just, I was just very,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: I was, I was taking it back.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: You eating, bro?
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Your body's shaking. You did him well. You eating from
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: that money. I am.
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: I am.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: That's not right. I did love that.
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: I love that face-off between him and John.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: Incredible.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: That was fire.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: I thought that was dope. But the one thing is.
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: Every time John saw him in his place, like, that was.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: John read and fulfilled every time. But this is the same.
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: guy, Gardner, who also stepped up to Superman and was
• 39:33
  Speaker 8: ready to go blow for blow with him.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Like, you don't tell me this... That's the point. They
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: power scaling finally?
• 39:40
  Speaker 9: They trying to make sure everybody knows who's on top
• 39:43
  Speaker 9: of who?
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: That's the point. Jon Stewart is the man.
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: That was a dick measuring competition in full life, in
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: real life, in flesh.
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: That was on purpose.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: I ain't got it, you know? You got it, man.
• 40:00
  Speaker 8: It did make a lot of sense of Guy's future
• 40:02
  Speaker 8: as well. Because what show is he supposed to be in?
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Mr. Wonderful or.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Mr.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Terrific?
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. It's Mr. Something. He's going to be
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: on some off-planet show. Yeah.
• 40:16
  Speaker 8: He's supposed to be appearing on some show that's supposed
• 40:19
  Speaker 8: to be appearing off-planet, so it kind of makes sense
• 40:21
  Speaker 8: as to why he's out there now.
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: He's out there because John banished him. He said, you
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: can't be here no more. This is my turf. Wander
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: off somewhere else.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: We were talking about how the next time he shows up,
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: he can't have the gold tooth in his mouth. Like
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: that would be the best, you know, in the next
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: time we see guys, it's just gone. Like, you know,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's.
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: Going to be a man. He's going to be a
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: man of tomorrow and Mr.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Miracle.
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: Is that what you're talking to?
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, they're doing a Mr.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Miracle animated.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: Ah, well, that's a good way to do it.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Mr.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Miracle probably is better.
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: But he is returning for that.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: So.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: Okay. Yeah, he'll be a man of tomorrow.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Because we need more of Aaron Pierre punking him out.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 41:03
  Speaker 9: For y'all that have really engaged and watched the whole show,
• 41:07
  Speaker 9: one of the questions that I had was.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Were there any hints? I know, that's how I'm starting it.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Because it's true.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Because these are things that I would look for if
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I could watch this show.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: It really does. I hear you.
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: So what's the question?
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: I thought you did watch the whole show. He did.
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: No, he was just watching it to know the details. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 41:28
  Speaker 9: But were there any teases of the actual other, the lanterns,
• 41:36
  Speaker 9: Olds or like the other, like the other colors.
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:39
  Speaker 9: But like in the way where it's not exactly telling
• 41:42
  Speaker 9: you explicitly that they're this color, but this person kind
• 41:46
  Speaker 9: of gives off what that other color is about. So
• 41:50
  Speaker 9: I was thinking about, um, shawty who like basically, uh,
• 41:54
  Speaker 9: ran down on, um, on John and was like, yo,
• 41:57
  Speaker 9: give me these bands.
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: A little orphan.
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Give me these bands.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: Like that felt a little orangey. Like that felt a
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: little like, it could be argued. She took the back.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: She took the money or she was asking for the
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: money and she took him for his watch. Like that's
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: kind of right.
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: He never gave that bitch back.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You do it a lot. Like that's very orangey.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: That's very great.
• 42:16
  Speaker 9: I mean, I think that is, are there any, like
• 42:18
  Speaker 9: it's hope around here somewhere?
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: Like, I mean, you know about fear, right? That was
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: very well displayed throughout this series, but... I think, like,
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: that was also a red herring, like, a lot of
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: things in this series. Like, the fact that it was
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: called lanterns and we immediately assumed the different colors, right? Like, no,
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: they didn't mean the fact that there's more than one
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: type and there's more than one way to be a
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: lantern and all these other, you know, esoteric reasons. So,
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: was there any other thing implied in the show? I mean,
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: besides what, you know, any.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Mr.
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: Fantastic stretches we was making like, sure.
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: But like, you know, I just think that's just the
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: internet doing it.
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: I don't think it was necessarily them.
• 42:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: And, and to be honest, yeah, no, go ahead.
• 43:02
  Speaker 8: No, the internet was stretching with, uh, who was the
• 43:05
  Speaker 8: Anton and his people talking about the red lanterns.
• 43:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: The red lantern. So that's as far as I saw.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I didn't see all the pieces. It's just too much
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: of a stress to me. I like shit like that.
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: That's cool.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: I like that. Okay.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: This is one thing. And in my point of this,
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: and there was even more than that. People thought Zoe
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: was a star Sapphire. People thought Zoe was Sinestro's granddaughter.
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: How the hell did you come to that conclusion?
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: That one felt racist. I keep saying that.
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: But I saw Sinestro don't seem like he liked humans.
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: Sinestro don't like children?
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: I'm like, I can't imagine him getting them.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: He actually has a granddaughter in the comics.
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: Oh. That's human? Or Manhunter?
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: She's red like him. And that's why I was like,
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: just because Zoe's an Indian woman.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: It felt a bit racist. But my point is about
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: the colors.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: People have been like obsessed about that when that's mainly
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Jeff Johns and stuff that's come after Jeff Johns when
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: there's like 50, 60 years of Green Lantern before that
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: was ever a concept.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: That's very like the last 20 years or less.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: And so it's even now, it's still not like the
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: focal point of every Green Lantern story that there's always
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: random colors flying around and stuff. It's just more, I
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: don't know. It was a cool thing at the time,
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: but I think it's kind of like the thing that's
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: over like done and over simplified to where it's people
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: are like, Oh, here's hope.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: Here's fear.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Here's, you know, colors. And each one is part of
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: your emotional spectrum and all that. And it's, More than that,
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: like the Red Lanterns actually have a really deep lore
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: when you get into it, which I thought was dope.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: But it's too much for one season of a show, man.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: That's like, you know, it's like I get what people wanted.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: And I'm not speaking to you, Trent. I'm speaking to
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: just people in general that people want all these things,
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: but then they don't want these things, right? The big
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: complaint about Marvel is it's always CGI fest. No character.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: You know, you get full-on character development in this shit.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: No villain, you know, no nothing. You get all of
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: that in the story. You get a whole mystery about
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: who the real villain is. You get all these villains
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: who aren't really villains, you know. And like Tatiana said,
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: for it to end on a message of love over
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: all that is really dope instead of a CGI battle.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: But people are now mad that they didn't get a
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: CGI battle.
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: You know, it's... How can you be mad? You had
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: seven episodes of no CGI battle. Why would this one?
• 45:27
  Speaker 8: It's not what the show was given.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: I don't get why people like you have to have
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: that when, you know, so many of the Marvel films
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: fall apart in the CGI battle.
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: I just can't... I honestly.
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: That's what I liked about this season is that we
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: are not forced to sit through more reasons why... And
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: that was my thought about the waterboarding to go back
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: to that. We open this first... Well, this final episode
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: with shin meats, like, just red on the ground. And
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: then we get waterboarding. And my question is... And then
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: we talk about, like, the cop thing over there. And
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: I'm just like, are we just... Like, desensitize as an
• 46:12
  Speaker 7: audience to these very grisly things.
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: Like, they're just, like, showing these things to us.
• 46:17
  Speaker 7: Like, they're just, like, normal things that we should just, like,
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: take in as an audience. Because, like, that... Like, I've never...
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: I don't care... who the character is that's being waterboarded,
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: I'm going to feel that.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: I'm going to feel.
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: Like you have a human shin bleeding on the ground.
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: I know people who are into horror movies and stuff,
• 46:38
  Speaker 7: they love to see the blood and gore.
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: I never loved the blood and gore.
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: Of horror movies, but I like the psychological ones. I've
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: never gotten into that. But for me, that's why I
• 46:49
  Speaker 7: can't gel very well with shows that are just full, full,
• 46:52
  Speaker 7: full action, because a lot of the times it comes
• 46:54
  Speaker 7: down to, let's break somebody's arm. let's do something really
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: gory and i feel very sensitive about that stuff and
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: so like that stuff being in this finale episode and
• 47:04
  Speaker 7: like there's been other moments like that too but because
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: they put layers of like like zoe killing everyone and
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: rushville the way that she did like that was it
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: was truly fucked up it was devastating like i still
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: feel the ramifications of that in the show and so
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: I just, I think that, like, that's partially why I've
• 47:23
  Speaker 7: been very, very happy to not see a lot of wishbang. Let's, like,
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: beat everyone up. Let's have more explosions. Let's do all
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: this stuff that's going to, like.
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: Kill humanity.
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: Because I'm not, like, I don't need that. I'm tired
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: of that. And I'm tired of it being played off as, like, well,
• 47:40
  Speaker 7: now this is a superhero's plight. And I get that's
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: kind of what they did with Hal, right? Like, they
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: made him... take on the superhero plight of, like, well,
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: you broke it, now you bought it kind of thing
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: or whatever.
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: And he's going back to Atone and everything.
• 47:53
  Speaker 7: But I think that was good for me to see that, like,
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: Carrie was literally the reason why he came back because
• 48:00
  Speaker 7: she was there sitting for him outside of the jail
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: and brought him back to town. If she had not
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: done that, where would he have gone? Would he have
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: made the choice to go there?
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: And that's interesting to me. But I do think, like,
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: that was one of my bigger... likes of the season
• 48:15
  Speaker 7: is that they did not spend so much time doing
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: that because i don't want to continue to feel desensitized
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: to things um and also talking about being sensitive to
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: like brutal things um did is it was it just
• 48:28
  Speaker 7: me or did zoe force pregnancy on carrie yo.
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: Because she did because there's no immaculate conception type shit
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: here like I.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Was actually very uncomfortable about that.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I was super uncomfortable how they kind of just said
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: that as if it was.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: slow down. You just made this lady pregnant. The most
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Nebraska thing about the show.
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: And the thing is, and this could go over a
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: lot of people's heads because I think, and similar to
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: how you're, what you're saying, Portia, I think Damon and
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: the rest of the team, the writing team, you know, Vanessa, Bain,
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: and Kelly, everybody, Justin, they did feel that the level
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: of violence, like how much it is... when I say important,
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: I mean how important it is to be careful with
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: that because, you know, again, using the warden boarding scene,
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: like I, me, myself personally, I felt it when I
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: saw that. Like, it didn't feel like some other scenes
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: or something. Like, it was like, you are torturing.
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: Yes, he's red, but you're torturing a person. You're torturing
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: a being. That's a lot.
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: And then to hear that, what Carrie said about the pregnancy,
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: I immediately thought, OK, this was against your will.
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: Because you're a human. You don't know how these machines work.
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: And for Carrie just to brush it off and say, well,
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: something must have went wrong.
• 49:43
  Speaker 6: And all of a sudden I was pregnant.
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: That means you don't have the power in this situation.
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: She hasn't processed it well.
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: You haven't processed it. You know how they say when
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: it comes to power dynamics. If your boss says something
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: to you, they have the power over you. Therefore, they
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: have the responsibility not to.
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: Do shit like that. Zoe used her.
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: And impregnated her against the will on purpose, amongst other things.
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: And it's just... speaks more to the deception and to
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: the violence and to how brutal all that stuff is.
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: Like Carrie even said, she said she didn't even want
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: to be, she never wanted a kid. So now you're
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: forced to carry a kid. And yes, you grew up,
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: grew to love it and all that shit, but that's
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: not the point.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: There's a, there's a, there's a way bigger conversation to
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: have about the, the ramifications of that. Just, just that
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: part of it, especially being that we're talking about Nebraska.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: We're talking about a young woman who was on the
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: run and, and, and, and scared of, And in a very,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: very tough spot, being forced to have a child.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Against her will.
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: She thought she was getting a finger and got injured.
• 50:47
  Speaker 7: A baby. But not even just like any human baby.
• 50:50
  Speaker 7: And I'm sorry to get to the point, but like
• 50:51
  Speaker 7: with a manhunter.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, with a manhunter.
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: Once you know what a manhunter is and you have
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: you have that you know firsthand knowledge of what that
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: is that no that shit was a violation literally a
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: violation that shit was wild to me and made me
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: dislike zoe even more like i again that's why i
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: rolled my eyes again on the poc solidarity stuff i
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: was just like the same ladies And I understand Noah's
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: supposed to be a little different because he's half human,
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: but it is in the Manhunter's nature to do shit
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: like this.
• 51:21
  Speaker 6: Everything they do is a transaction.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: There it is. And manipulative. That's the point.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: The whole POC conversation was meant to be.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: Her manipulating him. I love that in this episode, Sinestro...
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: His manipulation was amazing.
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: He was doing double speak right in.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Front of everybody.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: Right in front of them. He's like, oh, the shit
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: didn't work on Hal? Well, John, how do you.
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: Feel about this?
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Let me see if the hard stuff works on you then.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: He was like, are you not going for it?
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: Well, what about you?
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: He did it without a beat.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: Without a beat. He was like a dude at the bar,
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: you know, talking to a shorty and he's like, oh,
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: that don't work? How about your friend then?
• 52:00
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: You know, you're the most beautiful girl up in here. Oh, nah. Oh,
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: you know, you're the most beautiful girl up in here.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Let me show you this thing I done built. You know?
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: He changed his tone.
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: He didn't even change the words.
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: He just said, well, this bitch don't work in my words.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: You know, like.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: And just acted like the motherfucker wasn't there anymore. Like,
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: I wasn't just talking to you, Al.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: But that tells you, like, the manipulation is at... expert
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: levels i mean it made me.
• 52:26
  Speaker 6: Like was it effective.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: No that's the point i was about to say i
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: won't say i won't say expert i would say at
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: desperate levels it's also the dude in the bar like.
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: Desperate you know i have a question was it effective because.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: What happened in the end he got waterboarded that's what
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: happened he.
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: Got left on a on.
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: The land episode the end of the episode what happened
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: at the end what Sinestro wanted in the first place.
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: He told him, charge the fucking ring. At the end
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: of the day, regardless of how it came about.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: He did charge it.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: It worked.
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: He charged it.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, but does that.
• 53:00
  Speaker 6: What he really wanted was to get off that plane.
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: To get off the island. I already know.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: He could have been manipulating. He could have been like, yo, please.
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: He's like, I really want to live here. I can't
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: go anywhere else.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: I hate it here. And then he just.
• 53:13
  Speaker 9: He started building a whole bunch of shit. I'm telling you,
• 53:15
  Speaker 9: the next time I go back to that island, it's
• 53:16
  Speaker 9: going to be.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: He's going to have a pool.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: He's going to be a whole different shit. He's going
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: to be like coming to America when they hit it
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: out the projects. Please don't leave me here by myself
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: so I can do everything I fucking want.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: I do want to go back to what Portia was
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: saying about desensitization and watching certain things happen because I
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: do feel two ways about that one one of my
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: favorite lines in media in in film history is i
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: felt a great disturbance in the force as if the
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: right yeah you don't see a thing you feel the
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: weight yes alderaan i believe is the name of the
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: planet yeah you feel the weight of that planet being destroyed.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: And you yeah you never even you know get a,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: get a shot there. You know what I mean?
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: You never even see Alderaan in the whole movie. It's
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: blown up from a distance.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: But you, but you feel that when, when Obi-Wan says
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: that line. So I do think there was a time
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: where we could have felt something more before, you know,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: without even, without even having a visual representation of it.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: But when it comes to Sinestro being waterboarded, I didn't
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: care because he was an alien.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: And I know that that's probably what the ask was.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute.
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 54:44
  Speaker 8: But he looked like a regular nigga.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: That's the thing. That's why I was like, yo. Man said, oh,
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: he's a different color.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: I don't care about that. Jesus Christ. That is not
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: what he said. So that's not like Dr. Robotnik, bro.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: He look like a regular sweaty red man. I mean,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: like I said, people.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: Thought Zoey was his granddaughter and you over here.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Like, fuck this guy.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Because I asked myself the question, I asked it while
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: I was watching it, am I okay with this?
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: And I told myself yes. Yeah.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: And I don't feel good about that. All it got
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: to do is change the tint on the screen and you,
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with how you feel, Hod.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: If John did that to anybody else, I would have,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: I genuinely would have been like, wow.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, you could say he's the villain. You're a
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: worse person than I thought you were. But you said
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: an alien.
• 55:31
  Speaker 6: I'm trying to change his mind. That's how he felt.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to help this man out before it goes live.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: We already got Trent over here.
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: No.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: You were talking.
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: No, Todd, you're talking just like Macon was talking when
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: he was just like, I'm not for this extraterrestrial bullshit.
• 55:48
  Speaker 6: He said, are you from this planet? Remember he said
• 55:50
  Speaker 6: that in the.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Very beginning, the white man.
• 55:52
  Speaker 6: You would have been part of his militia.
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: I don't think you're making a better time.
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: I did.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: How do I even know? How do I know? Okay, yeah.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: He had a humanoid face. How do I know his
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: nose is connected to his lungs? His lungs could have
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: been in his feet.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: He don't even know what a waterboarding is for real.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: How is he supposed to know it's that bad?
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: a minute.
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: Wait a minute.
• 56:14
  Speaker 7: Hot.
• 56:15
  Speaker 6: So I have a question for you.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: So....
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: I got a lot of questions.
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: If it's a living being that's being tortured, if you
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: can't connect, if you personally, I'm talking based on what
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: you just said, if you don't see them as at
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: least human or humanoid, you don't feel for it?
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Or them? So....
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: Well, no. Ain't nobody got him walked out. He walking himself.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: Like I said, I was trying to help out.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: It really depends. I'm not trying to help nothing.
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: I'm just, I'm not even trying to change your mind.
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: I just want to understand what are you thinking?
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Okay. So for instance, let's take it, let's take it
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: a different way. Like hunting, right?
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: So like I would never hunt rabbits. I would never
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: hunt like small animals, but I might, go bear hunting
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: I might go because to me because to me if
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: the animal has just as much of an opportunity to
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: kill me as I to kill it and I just.
• 57:15
  Speaker 6: Happen to win did y'all see the revenant.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: I would rather.
• 57:23
  Speaker 8: Get a shot than take a bear snap tomorrow this.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: Is what i'm saying i mean i'm not sure no
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: um yeah i think both i mean if that's how
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: you feel that's how you feel it's.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Just interesting i did not.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: I did not take points off of John's heroism because
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: he waterboarded.
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: I will agree with you there. I didn't take points
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: off of John. I agree with you there. I didn't say, oh,
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: you're a horrible person because as Ben Amin said earlier,
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: nobody's a hero.
• 57:57
  Speaker 6: Nobody's a hero.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Nobody's a villain.
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: Niggas do shit that have to get done in the moment.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Whatever, right?
• 58:01
  Speaker 6: I still thought it.
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: Was fucked up.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Do you think John does that to a person? Do
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: you think he does that to a person? Yes, yes, yes.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: John would do that to a rabbit.
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: Use your rabbit example.
• 58:12
  Speaker 8: That's definitely not his first time doing that.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: He's in the military. Fair, fair, fair.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: I take mad points off John.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: What are y'all talking about?
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: That dude was wily.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: I'm going to.
• 58:26
  Speaker 7: Say I didn't have a lot of points for John.
• 58:28
  Speaker 7: As soon as I learned he was a military man
• 58:29
  Speaker 7: and he was a sniper, I was like, oh, John.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: I He's got bodies.
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: He's got bodies. I'm not taking points off the man's
• 58:37
  Speaker 6: that's already imperfect.
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: For what?
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: He's doing what he needed to do in the moment.
• 58:40
  Speaker 6: So what? I still think it was fucked up. Waterboarding
• 58:45
  Speaker 6: is never necessary.
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to say it's never necessary.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: In this universe, waterboarding is the worst thing that could
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: have happened in the universe.
• 58:53
  Speaker 6: It's the worst thing that could have happened in the universe.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: It wasn't even just regular waterboarding.
• 58:58
  Speaker 8: Whenever he was going down, he was in.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: His biggest fear.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: Put him on that fucking it was fear toxic water
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: yeah for sure when you think about that that makes
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: it worse that was even way worse.
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: It was waterboarding times 35. Like, it was that.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: And y'all are over here like, oh, well.
• 59:17
  Speaker 8: When you're down there.
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: I felt disturbed by that.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: If only you'd been a little more pink.
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: John was doing, we had to do another one.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: You know what I just thought about?
• 59:28
  Speaker 9: He was teaching Sinestro that tactic. Sinestro going to be
• 59:33
  Speaker 9: waterboarding crazy in the next season. He going to be waterboarding.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: Everybody, man.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: He just took a whole new tactic. He's like, yo, honestly,
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: I was kind of scared.
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: Sinestro was like, wow, don't do that again.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that shit was not. Like, whoa. It's like, damn, America,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: they got it.
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: Shit, it is.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: Shit, a new sensation. I ain't never been that scared.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: That's the scariest thing. I should do this to all
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: the victims.
• 59:55
  Speaker 7: Instead of taking an oath for that ring, he's going
• 59:58
  Speaker 7: to have everybody get, like, instead of baptism, it's going
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 7: to be waterboarding.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: That's the hazing.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: That literally is what the Yellowlanders are about.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: You have to overcome your greatest fear.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 7: Let's be real that's a real reason it's a other
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 7: kind of baptism for them.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: That part and let's be real the real reason why
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: there has to be a specific lantern for earth is
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: because of america america's on some other type of.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Time other shit america has a problem.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 8: How did y'all feel about that new oath?
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, I love the new oath. As soon as Hal
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: was like, as soon as John was like, yo, I'm
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: not feeling an oath, I knew exactly what he was
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: talking about. I knew that a black man can't say,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: in black is night. Shit sounds wild. Like, shit sounds racist. Again,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: you know, like, the idea that black is the most
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: evil thing, you know, all the fear comes from black
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: is wild for a black man to say. So I
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: knew that was the point. And I love that, you know,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: they switched it up to In Darkest Night. And I
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: love that it's pissing off comic book fans who think
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: that they somehow desecrated the oath. When, as I pointed out,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: most of the different Green Lanterns have different oaths. It's
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: not just.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 7: Bitch, shut up.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 6: Even within the Green Lantern Corps itself.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like I pointed out.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: How there's one who comes from a sector where there
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: is no light. So the idea of light and stars
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: and all this mean nothing to them. So the oath
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: is all vibration based and stuff. But there was a panel,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: someone posted it, where it's like dozens of green lanterns
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: and all of them have different variations of the oath.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: That's funny. People just act like.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 6: People just keep telling on themselves that they.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: Don't know shit.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they tell on themselves all the time.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: You purport to know everything, but you don't.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 7: But it's okay not to know. It's okay not to
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 7: know everything, but go ask some questions.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: And don't get in my mentions telling me that, you know,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: this show is shit and it disrespected the.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: Green Lantern Corps, desecrated Hal.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: And, like, I'll even say that this, like, for me,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: I keep talking about this, and it's just really messed up.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: The author of, like, the Green Lantern comic books that
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: I read as a kid is a straight-up... I don't
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: even want to say it on here, you know, but
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: those books will never be reprinted for things that this
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: man has done, basically.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 6: He's a racist?
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: No, he's a PDF.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 8: Oh!
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: Can't talk about that.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. So those books will
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: never be reprinted, but those were the books... And there's other,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: you know, people have done the same take on Green Lantern.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: But when I was reading as a kid, how come
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: back to Earth? He was sick of space. He was
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: sick of the Green Lantern Corps. He was sick of
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: all that. And the whole series was him just going
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: around and trying not to use the ring.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: And so that was the Green Lantern I grew up on.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: And Jon Stewart was the Green Lantern in space at
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: that time. Guy Gardner was flying around on Earth. And
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: so I always, you know, that's how I loved it.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: You know, this downtrodden, beat up Hal. So this is
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: perfect for me. And then when you get the younger,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: the 2016 dude who's not in, like, all the interactions
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: in this episode between them, like me and Rodimus were
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: talking about it. The I love you too, Junior is... Yeah, man. Man, listen.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 6: We talked about how Carlton Jr.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: Hit different now.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it hit so different because throughout it, you know,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: we were like, that was so wildly disrespectful for him
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: to keep Carlton Jr.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: But in this, it was a father-son moment.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 6: Can I? Portia got a.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: Reclaim the slur. Don't call me Junior. Don't be Junior.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: Because really, when you call me Junior, you call me
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: a bitch.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: That's what you sound like when you call me a bitch.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: At the end, he's like, I love you, bitch. But
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: that was straight up through the whole conversation. That was
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: my other favorite part of it. It's like, you got
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: little hands. You can wear that jewelry. And he's like,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: shut the fuck up.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 6: It's the same ring that you had on your hand, sir.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I know.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 6: That's the point. That's the point.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: They're ripping each other like brothers do. And that's how,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: you know, it's like, I loved all of that, you know?
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 7: For the Junior comment, I thought, like, the extra layers
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 7: of that was the fact that this is the hologram
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 7: saying it, so he doesn't even know that his 2016
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: version was calling him Junior.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: He just knows... What's the horror?
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 7: He just knows himself well enough that he's like, Junior
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 7: might mean something to him if I say it. Like,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: it might be resonant to something that I did say
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: to him when I did meet him. And so, like,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 7: I think that's really cute that, like, 2006 version of
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 7: Hal had an echo. He's not even, like, he's not
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 7: up to date with, like, this version of john at
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 7: all and or his the version of john the version
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 7: of himself that john interacted with yeah and he can
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 7: still like make it a like a give him a
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 7: healing factor for who he did interact with in 2016
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 7: yeah i.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 9: Will say 100 those last two episodes really did like
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 9: a full like turnaround on how you feel about how
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 9: for real like because for the first five, six episodes,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 9: you're like, this guy kind of sucks. I know that's
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 9: kind of the point. He's very arrogant and stuff like that.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 9: But he'd be right about a lot of shit. If
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 9: you were to watch the series over and keep calling
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 9: out all this stuff of like, nah, that's bullshit.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: He's lying. She's lying. All that stuff.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 6: He wasn't wrong.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: He called Carrie Conner. Yeah.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: I got a question for y'all. Did y'all grow up
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: with white men? Like around you?
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: All my teachers.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: Like, closely?
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: You have white friends? All that type of stuff?
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: No. Not white friends, but white teachers and stuff.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: No, okay, no white friends. So you were never in, like,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: white kids' houses and never saw their parents around you, all.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: That type of stuff?
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: Lots of us, yeah.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: Never had them closely? No, no, I'm talking about younger, yeah,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: when they just fully out their mind. no i'm asking
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: that because like when people say that they did dislike
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: how's character to me he was just the average white
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: person that i knew.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 7: You know my whole life and i i don't like
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 7: i don't like men that do that shit no i've.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: Never liked that okay like what what shit because there's
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: like things i don't like about how but it was
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: also things that i just love that this is how white.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: Men act what like they can't they're untouchable that they
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: have no consequence to say whatever they want and I've
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: never liked that shit yeah.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: I don't like any of this but it's like a
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: positive way you're supposed to take that my white friends
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: I grew up with weren't like that with me you
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: know one but their parents.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: Would be you know I grew up with the.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: Get out parents you know like I've said before on
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: this show like I would have voted for Obama three
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: times you know that type of shit and it was
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: like you know just the white liberal yeah but also
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: yeah just pure, not even pure, but just.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: They're so well-spoken.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 11: Yes!
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: You know, that type of shit.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: One of the good ones type. Would just say.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: Wild shit every now and again, but like, you know,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: Vanessa said on the show, would also give you their liver,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: you know? Those are the white dudes, you know, white
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: parents I grew up with who love me like their
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: own kid, but were also.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: Just a bit.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: Questionable.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was like, so I'm used to, especially
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: growing up in Houston, like, she called them techs, like,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: I'm used to you know, a very in-your-face white racist
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: type of thing where it's like they just say this
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: shit and half the time don't even realize what they're saying.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: It's just ingrained in them. Did you guys see One
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: Night in Miami? It came out a few years ago.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: I feel like I did.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 6: Where it has, like, the different... Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: Where all of them are... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 6: Malcolm X and all that. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: So there was a scene early in the movie, right,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: where Jim Brown goes to his old.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: Coach's house or something like that. And they're sitting on
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: a porch and they're rapping. He's like, man, I'm so
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: proud of you. Uh, you know, you, you, you've done
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: so well for yourself, man. And, uh, he's like, Oh,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: all right. Well, um, I don't know if he asked
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: him to use the bathroom or something.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 6: He said, you can't go inside.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: He said, come on, Jim. You know I don't let
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: niggas in the house. That's another level.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: That's literally it.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: It's so funny.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: We were talking about that with Rodimus. He said, Hal
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: Jordan isn't racist enough to be a Southern basketball coach.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: In 2026, he would have to add a little bit
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: more racism.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: Hal Jordan is.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: The white person that's like, I can't be racist. I
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: hate everybody equally. He's that type there we go you
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: that type of white person but like that's still a
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: little racist yeah still racist but I hate you all
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: like alright bro like Only one I like is my dog,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: which he had that plan.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: He had how? Earl.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 7: And I love that Earl ends up with the Stewart family.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 7: I thought that was fun because they have been wanting
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 7: extraterrestrial stuff their whole life. And so the fact that
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 7: he ends up living with the Stewarts, it's like they
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 7: finally get a touch of a little alien thing that
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 7: they've been always wanting to have.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 6: A little shop of harvests right there. Very cute.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: And John don't eat it.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: I do have a question for everyone.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: I know she's been bugging throughout this season, but how much,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: was this is my first note before waterboarding how much
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: was terry bugging.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: In general about how well this episode.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: Like the note came when you know in the restaurant
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: scene when she tells everyone i've lost just as much
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: as you have and i know she lost her grandmother
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: But if I lost a kid or somebody up in that,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't know.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: Ben, when I immediately imagined myself, I was in that
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: restaurant trying to enjoy my dinner when this bitch ass
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: Hal walks in and then his lady is eating with him.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: And she says this bullshit. The first thing I thought
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: in my head was shut up, bitch. Like, because I
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: was like.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: What do you mean? You didn't lose nobody.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah grandmother the mother no.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 5: That was her husband excuse me she lost her fake
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: her adopted her adopted mother her father-in-law.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah and the facilities and everything that was set up
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 7: for her to be powerful within the.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: Town she was still sheriff I wasn't supposed to have
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: this baby.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 8: You made me this. You weren't even supposed to be
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 8: all that to me. This was supposed to be just like, hey,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 8: I do you a favor. You do me a favor,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 8: I do you a favor too. But it's way more
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 8: than I've signed up for.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, to Carrie, she lost as much
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: as anybody else.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: Carrie pissed me off this whole season.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 8: First of all, I think she kind of overreacted by
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 8: shooting Cal.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: It's also a little bit of an overreaction.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 6: I agree with you, Dane.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: This is also a police officer, a real, like, this
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: is the realest.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: He's a police officer in Nebraska.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: This is the realest reaction they have.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: Immediately pull out the gun and shoot somebody.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 6: Trent, there's the copaganda you was looking for.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: It's all throughout. It's the whole thing. I got mad
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: screen grabs of shit I don't want to see. When
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: John shows up and all them cops is aiming their
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: guns at him, I'm like, hell no, I don't want
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: to see this.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: They're not no cops. They're not cops. They're just some
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: militia guys. Yeah, the vigilantes. Them Proud Boys. Like, the
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: fuck we talking about? They were Proud Boys.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 9: When he was when he was chilling that when he
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 9: rang that little bell not the bell the little lantern
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 9: light and shit like that and all them people came
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 9: what you doing here boy like that was crazy there.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 7: But that's like those are the people who think they're
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 7: cops like that's not like that's why people who their
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 7: culture is to police other people they police themselves they
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 7: police us like that's the that's how white culture is
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 7: and that's the fucking sidebar real sidebar.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah not gonna lie it's kind of fun I called
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: my HOA on somebody earlier this week.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: It's not bad It's not bad. Everyone should.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: Boy, Had, you were just.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: Man, I was like.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 6: The hole that you had dug.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying. I mean, we thought Had was... You know,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: we thought John was in one.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: Like, it's... Had's like, let me join him down there.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: It's like....
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 5: I did have something with.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: I'm a slumlord. Before we get.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 7: Off of Carrie and her shooting hell, initially I was like,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 7: is she programmed?
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 6: We kept talking about programming in this episode.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 7: How Jon Stewart is programmed by the military. How the
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 7: Manhunters are literally programmed in their DNA or whatever.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 7: And I'm like, is Carrie kind of, like, programmed from, like,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 7: the cop part, the mother over an alien son part
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 7: or whatever? Is she, like, responding to programming like, if, like,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 7: or possibly from, like, literal programming from Zoe that, like,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 7: if this child is in danger, immediately shoot.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: Like, you gotta... I mean, she's part of a cult. Yeah.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: It's a little bit of both. A little bit of A,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: a little.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 6: Bit of B.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: I think it's absolutely a mixture.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: As a mother, I will say that I will do
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: anything to protect my children, right?
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 6: Like, no matter what. And I don't need to be
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 6: programmed for that. That's just.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 5: Or if you want to call it programming, that is
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: your maternal natural programming, right?
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: And.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 5: On top of that, you got Zoe whispering shit in
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: her ear for all these years. So, probably, right? The
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 5: level of immediacy that gunshot.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 6: Was, you know.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: She didn't even think about it.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 6: And then she was, like, shocked about the fact that
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 6: she shot him. She was like, oh, shit. I just
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 6: shot him. Police.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: Police.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: You got a triple threat right there. You got a mom,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: you know, defending their child. You got police. And you got,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: an alien in.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: Your ear underground yeah you got you know an easy
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: alibi no cameras.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 5: Are on you know yeah small town you could get
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: away with murder literally.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah she was like shit you know we all don't
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: like Hal you know she probably found him slightly annoying
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: as well did.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: We get a scene uh at the end of her
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: in jail no no.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 6: She didn't get no no no she doesn't go to jail.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah cause she said she would turn herself in
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: but John said he didn't have she didn't have to.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 6: He said specifically that Hal.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't want that.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 6: Wait, I took that completely differently.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 7: I took him saying, because what she asked was, can
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 7: I at least finish this game before I turn myself in?
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 7: And John says, I don't think Hal would like that.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 7: I took that from him saying, I don't think Hal
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 7: would like you watching yourself.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 6: Like, I don't think you should, like, you like to
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 6: be free.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. He don't want, no.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: How, listen, Hal is the same nigga that was fucking
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 5: with his cowboy boots on. He would not want to
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: see her go to jail.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: Yes. At all. I mean, sometimes the grippy helps.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: Anyway.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: You need that. You need some, you know.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 6: The cowboy?
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know about that choice, but sometimes that's
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: all you got.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't know.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: You feel me? Yeah. What is this? Is that going
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: to be all you got? My bad, my bad. No,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: I don't understand that choice. I feel like cowboy boots
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: are not going to offer any traction.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: I was going to say the same. They have no traction.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like your feet are going to.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 6: That's off topic.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: You know, perhaps that's what Carrie, you know, is into.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: He was too.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 6: Stepping into the pussy.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 6: But that's not what the topic is.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 5: The topic is the fact that that comment, I don't
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: think Hal would have wanted that. He really was referring
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: to the fact that he wouldn't want her to turn
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 5: herself in. Like, at the end of the day, Hal
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 5: died in love, right? He said, I love you. He
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: got popped for it.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: End of that.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 6: He still.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: I still could see him. Even his hologram was just like, okay.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: You know, it was like, oh, well, it was probably...
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: Knowing who Hal is, knowing what we know about Hal,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 5: that tracked with his character. That you would not want
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 5: to see his girl go down. Even for killing him,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: he wouldn't want to see that.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, now I have a question. That was actually his
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: last line. That's what he was saying as she shot
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: him in the face?
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: He said, I love.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 6: He said, God damn it, I love you.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't hear that either.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 6: John repeated it.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: I thought John was kind of like, you know, being
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: kind and giving him a good moment.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: Watch it back again.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 6: Turn on your closed caption. That's what he said.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, got it.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 6: It feels different now?
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, like, she's a pure cop.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: Like, now it just feels like....
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: Please, honey, no, please. Blah, you know, he just sat
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: perfectly down. Yeah, that was, that was, you know, my
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: man was defeated.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: I kind of did think for a second that he
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: might've done it to himself, like as a way to protect, um,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: you know, uh, Carrie and Noah, I, you know, I
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: thought at least for a second that he might've.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 9: That sequencing episode, I think they purposely waited till, like,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 9: put that episode seven in there because what.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: You learn about how... Yeah. What was it called?
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: The, um.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: What was it? The Jordan Boy's Legacy.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 6: The Jordan Boy's Legacy.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: The Jordan Boy's Legacy.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 9: Also, as a standalone episode, kind of, like, that baseball being, like, a.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: The symbol.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: I get it. I like that.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: They did a complete flip on Hal's character and made
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: him look like some other person, but I still don't
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: fuck with her.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: I don't care.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: Give me everything you want. I still don't care. It
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: gave me Last of Us 2 vibes. It did.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: It was just.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 6: Very much like... I.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: Mean, that's extreme because I don't fuck with, you know,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: Joel or Ellie.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: Joel should have died... Never mind.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't fuck with either of them. He should
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 9: have died in one. When he was riding that horse
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 9: and fell off... When he fell off on that.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: Fucking rusty pipe and shit, no normal person would have
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: survived that shit.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: He should have been dead. He should have died in one.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that being said, I can't compare, you know, Joel,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: who slaughters indiscriminately, to Hal Jordan, who.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: No, that's fair, that's fair.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: I was actually talking about Abby as far as, like,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: you present this person as a piece of shit, as
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: the one, as the antagonist to the person you're clearly
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: rooting for, and then later on, you try to give
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: them this, like, Like, oh, well, the reason why they're
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: doing it is there's a much larger reason for it.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: And it's just like, I already don't give a fuck.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: And again, I think that's part of my like lack
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: of empathy, I guess, or just like compassion for stories
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: for storytellers. But I just didn't give a fuck about
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: how even I got it.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's the answer. You said you lack empathy.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because you down for waterboarding red people. So, bro,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: I can't.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: Yo, that sounds crazy. I mean, it sounded crazy when
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: you said it, bro. I'm sorry.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: Like, I just, you know.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: That's cool.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's fine.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: You said aliens are no good.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 6: Initially i was with you like i also.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: Fictional aliens in there.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: Right like if they looked like i was gonna ask
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: y'all when like my man looks humanoid like y'all still
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: care if they actually looked like aliens because Sinestro like
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: I said he just looked like a sweaty like I
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: would still wear it.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: I would wear it.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 6: And the kind of element was the same, and it
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 6: was just an alien.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: If that was waterboard or ET, you'd be like, oh.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: That would be worse.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 6: If it was ET, it'd be even worse. It'd be like,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 6: he's like a little, he's just stuck in.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: You could have went with a xenomorph or something. Yeah,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: ET's not a good example.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 7: These aliens don't even know what waterboarding is.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 6: Yes, they have their own forms of torture. Maybe, maybe not.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 5: But the fact that we are imparting one of the
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 5: strengths of America onto them, that's some shit.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: What's waterboarding?
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 6: Was it invented in America? No, it's not invented.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying that's one of the shit we do well.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: Torture.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 6: It's an earthly thing is what I'm saying.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: Like we can claim that.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 6: That's an earthly thing.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: We didn't come up with the fear water. We didn't
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: come up with the fear water, but I did have
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: a question though, particularly about how, and how we talked
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 5: about all the racial undertones with not undertones and overtones
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: in this whole series. I just felt like how, especially
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 5: when he came back to Rushfield, got hit with every
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 5: hate crime possible. like he got, you know, the shit
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: on his lawn.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 6: He got, I'm sure he got beat up.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: He got, you know, the stairs and the, what the
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: fuck are you doing in this, you know, counter lunch
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: counter type shit.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 6: He got his house firebombed.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: Like I just, I was just like, they are really
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 5: like reversing the shit on him.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: Like you feel like that was laying it on a
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: little thick and a little bit like, Oh, I mean,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: it wasn't all together.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 5: I didn't feel like poor white man. I felt like
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 5: this was even just a portion of what he understandably
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 5: people felt like he deserved. look at what they did
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 5: to rush was decimated i'm so mad that.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: They all tried to kill them they all tried to
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: kill him but.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 8: Like nope they all had guns they were all pointed
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 8: at you know episode five six they all you know
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 8: like if they really wanted to get how he was
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 8: right there he wasn't hiding he was going to everybody's
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 8: house like hey.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 5: Plausible deniability they would say oh he died in a
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: fire i don't know how it started.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's more so like that's just part
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: of like the Midwestern and the Southern bag of tricks
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: as opposed to like, it was supposed to be like,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: you know, if they could have, if they could have
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: burned a cross on his lawn, like they would have
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: done that too. They just, they just, that's, that's just
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: in the bag.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: That's just what they do. It's just in their bag.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: That's real. That's what the budget is. I just feel like.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 7: I mean, when I saw it, I was immediately, like,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 7: just feeling like this 1960s, like, Medgar Everett.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 6: Like, I was feeling all of that.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: Like, firebombing is specific.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 6: It's very specific, especially a house.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: It's very specific.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 7: But for it to be happening to Hal, I was like, okay.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 7: But it does feel like it's the bag of tricks
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 7: or whatever. But I think that's more of the connotation
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 7: of it being related to the 60s and what was
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 7: done during the Civil Rights Movement and what still is done.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 7: But the connotation was giving me Medgar Evers is.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 6: What hit me at the moment.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 7: While we're on Hal, I do want to get back
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 7: to the fact that In Carrie killing him, it was
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 7: interesting because whenever John asked her why she asked him
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 7: of all the people to come back and find out
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 7: what happened to him or just notified him what was
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 7: going on, and she's like, well, I just need to
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 7: notify you.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 6: Then he was like, okay, but for real, why did
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 6: you call me?
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 7: She was like, because I wanted to know that the
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 7: monster that I raised, if he was really a monster.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 7: She killed the man that was telling her that her
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 7: son was a monster. Like, she already had that in
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 7: front of her. And then she's like, well... She's like,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 7: I actually gotta find out.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 6: Now I actually gotta find out if he's actually a monster. Like,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 6: that's crazy.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 7: Like, there's so many layers of her going off in
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 7: that moment.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 6: And then she's, like, trying to make up for it later.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 7: And I feel like that's... Maybe that's also a tone
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 7: that's going through this season is that how many people
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 7: do something really fucked up and then they keep feeling
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 7: they need a tone for it later from how to her, like,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 7: trying to find out if her son is actually a
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 7: monster to figure out.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: To.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 7: John giving Maggie a bag full of cash or whatever, saying,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 7: I'm still sorry.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 8: Like, I just, I didn't matter because the sheriff knew
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 8: that you didn't kill him.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 6: Cause she fucking did it.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: Black girl was for no reason.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: I just, how did y'all feel about, how did y'all
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 5: feel about John?
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 6: The black man paying reparation.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 5: So white woman.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: Pretty awful.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: Just genuinely against some of it, some of it, you know,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: even even what you're saying about Carrie, you know, basically
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: killing Hal.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: And then the first call she makes is to John.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: It's like she knows that John's resolve is not going
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: to lead him to the same conclusion that houses. So
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: she like Hal is a threat to Noah.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: John is not.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 6: Actually a threat.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: Hal said, let's go away. No, Hal's trying to save
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: no one. He was trying to save them. John is
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: also a threat. John was the threat. That's fair. That's fair.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: John was more of a threat.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: He's like, you want to kill me?
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 6: John will kill people.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: Hal was not going to kill.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: Hal was like, we have.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: To get him out of here. Right.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: So it was more of a selfish reason for her
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: to do that because she didn't really want to.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's selfish.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: And it's also, again, said in this episode, people will
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: do things out of fear or out of love to
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: they'll do anything, you know, and it's she's operating on
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: both of those. She's scared and she loves her son.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: And she's like, I can't ruin his life like that,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: taking Wadahar into another planet. That was the next step.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: He said, and then I know some friendly planets we
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: can go to. Yeah, he was out. She's like, what?
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: You know, and then it's just fear. And then again,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: a cop, you know, used to drawing a gun and
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: shooting and It.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 5: Was it was fear and it was her not wanting
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 5: to face reality at the end of the day. Like, remember,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 5: she came from Gotham City of all places and has
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: been living in this little fuck town. So it's just
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: like to be living that that West Bumblefuck life. And,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: you know, you are lying to yourself every day. Your
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 5: son is a manhunter. But no, he's he's a star
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 5: quarterback that's going to go to Nebraska.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 5: All that shit was wild that she was concocting. All
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 5: of this is a lie and it's stories that you're
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: concocting in your head because you just want to live
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 5: the quote normal life. And that is really what has
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 5: been pushing her to me like she was just living
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 5: this this this made-up reality and she wanted to maintain
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 5: that as much as possible is one of the reasons
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: why she shot how it was that was too much
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: to bear that now i gotta face the truth i
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: gotta face reality i gotta come out and not be
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 5: comfortable anymore i gotta be on the run again remember
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: how she got there she was on the run to
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: begin with she didn't want that shit no she lost a.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: Finger for that shit I think one of the themes
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: that we were talking about themes that this whole season
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: is that most of these characters are traumatized and a
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: lot of it is generational trauma or trauma they've been
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: carrying from their past. And it's about a lot of
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: them moving on past that and becoming, you know, a
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: better version of themselves in one way or the other.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: But my question was because y'all, some of y'all brought
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: this up earlier. I never saw Hal as the antagonist
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: and I'm guessing y'all.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: Did only, only to John.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: Not the antagonist of the show. Just the foil to
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: Jon and his mission and his duty and all that.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: So I didn't actually see him as the antagonist.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 5: So who is the antagonist to you, Ben?
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 6: Is there an antagonist?
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: I don't know if there is.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: As far as traditional protagonists, the characters going on a
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: mission and the antagonist is someone who's trying to prevent
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: them from completing that mission. John's mission for the show
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: was to become a Green Lantern until he realized that's
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: not what he wanted. And then he pivots to becoming
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: his own version of the Green Lantern. So that's pretty
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: much his arc. And his personal journey is to get
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: over the trauma of his parents and reconcile with them
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: and reconcile with the ideas of how they raised him
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: of fear and love and reconcile that within himself. So
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: who's stopping him from doing that?
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: Himself.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: I think this is more of a man versus himself
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: type story. If you want to break it down into
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: traditional dramatic stories.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 6: It was him versus him.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 5: They made it literal in the lake, the fear lake.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: That's pretty much like the climax of the series is
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: that lake and that's when he overcomes it. I think
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: this is... If you want to say who the antagonist is,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: I would say himself. I think most of the characters
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: are facing... themselves on this show.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 5: Ben I think you guessed it that Carrie was Carrie's
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 5: the one who killed because I think you said it
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 5: a few times that you thought it was Carrie I
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: also want to give a shout out to Michael Black
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 5: Gay Comic Geek I laughed at you before at first
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 5: when you were like the boy did it OJ did
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: it you were like the boy is a man hunter
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 5: and you were 100% right And remember, we talked about
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: the fact that sometimes the easiest answer is indeed the answer,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 5: or the most obvious is the answer.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: And that was, yeah, because that's what I loved about
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: this episode, too, because it was like, immediately within the
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: first 15 minutes, they pretty much deaded all of the
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: theories that people had.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: You know, the.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: Idea of a clone, the idea that Hal would be resurrected,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: you know, all this type of things were just deaded
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: immediately as I know Hal's dead. And I said this
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: on the Rodman show, and so I'll say it again.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: After Justin Brick Gibson went off our show, because of
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: something he said during the interview, he felt like he
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: insinuated that Hal was dead. And so we had to edit.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: That out of the show.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: And then he's emailing me to tell me this. And
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: in the same email, unprovoked, Justin, because I didn't ask,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: this man was like, oh, and off the record, Hal's dead.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 6: Oh, he tripled down. Ben was in... Ben, you did
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 6: not want him to be dead.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: No, and he straight up told... This is two episodes
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: ago I got this information, y'all. I've sat on this
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: for two weeks. After episode six, I found this out,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: because he was like, no, you know, Arthur, I can
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: house dead. I do not know what the plans are
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: for season two as of yet, but where we end
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: at the end of season one, and, you know, throughout this,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: he is gone. And so I was hoping Justin was
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: lying to me, but I also knew he wasn't. Because
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: he said off the record and all that type of stuff.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: And so, yeah, but unprovoked, I didn't even ask. And so, yeah,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: I had to sit there and hold it. There's always
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: a window to bring him back, though. Sinestro even said
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: it while he was on the island.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: There's several. I mean, even in the comics, Hal dies
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: and returns as the specter. Yeah, as, you know, then
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: eventually gets resurrected as Hal again. So, I mean, it's comics.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: It's a show. Yeah.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 5: You know, just to speak to a lot of the
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 5: people on this episode, just saying how you didn't really
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 5: like Hal, like, he was.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 6: A lovable asshole for me.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 5: I actually felt a way when to find, like, he
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 5: was truly gone, done, done, right? Like, I actually was
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 5: sad that he was truly gone and, you know, dead
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: in the biblical sense, right? So, I do want to,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 5: I mean, and let's say kudos to Cal Chandler, right? Like,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 5: because the way he did this role was crazy. Like,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 5: he really put his foot in it, and i actually
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 5: really cared like even through all the bullshit that how
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: was on like i really probably because it was such
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: a thorough character it was such a deep character that
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 5: had many layers and he wasn't just this bumbling racist
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 5: southern guy or whatever you want to call him right
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 5: like it was way more.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 6: Than that uh to him so i i did feel.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 7: Bad yeah initially i didn't really care for how um Towards, like,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 7: at the end, I did actually understand more. Like, hologram
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 7: is my favorite part of Hal.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 6: Me too.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 7: As Mandy was saying, like, last time, like, it was really,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 7: it was a redeeming part of him. I think that
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 7: I get wrapping up kind of, like, Paul Walker-esque of
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 7: him leaving with a ring.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 6: And he's just like, I love you, Junior. Like, I
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 6: get wrapping it up.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: Well, whatever.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 6: But, like, I didn't need that part. I didn't need
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 6: that part.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: That is what they did.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 6: It didn't really need to do that for me.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: It's a little cheesy.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 6: I didn't.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 7: It was like, I'm like, let me believe that we
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 7: might see him again. Like, I don't need him to, like,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 7: y'all to wrap it.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 6: Up with a bow. Like, I just, I just leave
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 6: it open. Leave it ambiguous. But they had to. They
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 6: had to. Leave it ambiguous for me.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: I also don't think that was the end of Hal
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: by any means.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 6: I don't either. But at the same time, I'm just saying, like,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 6: leave it ambiguous.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: Let me think of the Halle Berry in my head.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: I'm going to see you next week. Right. You're going
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: to pop up in the middle of nowhere.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: Oh, so that, okay, I get it.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: You feel like, we know you're going to be back
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: next season.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: Just... Yeah, but you... Why are you saying I love
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: you like I'm never going to see you again?
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you got to act like you.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 6: But then it glitched at the end. Like, he, like,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 6: faded out.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: Like, you're just.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: The empathy levels on this episode are... I guess we've
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: had a long season and empathy is out.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 7: Empathy, that's just literally being like, okay, I really don't
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 7: need to see.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: I feel you.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 5: But on a mechanical level, just writing mechanical, just straight,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 5: forget emotions, right?
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 6: Just on storytelling. They do not know they have a
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 6: season two. They have to wrap this shit up.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 6: Please just leave that open-ended.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 7: We were talking about X-Men 97, whenever we were like, oh, Rogue,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 7: they just reset.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 6: Everything right back to the way it was.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 6: Why not just set.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 7: I would have been happy if they had Rogue touch
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 7: someone's shoulder, like, oh, she still kind of has.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 6: Just a little hint of something, and this time the
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 6: hint could have just been nothing.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 5: You don't think that would have been corny? Because that's
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 5: overplayed a lot, too, about the.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like how.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: No, I.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 7: Was like saying, just leave it. The hints here could
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 7: have just been nothing. And I've been happy with nothing.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 6: Like, give me nothing.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: But they kind of did.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: He went to nothing.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 6: He didn't just disappear.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 5: They didn't say how much... First, they insinuated that, first
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 5: of all, that he was going to get overwritten or something. Like,
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 5: if he charged the ring. And I don't know if
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 5: that's 100% true.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: Charge that shit, please. So, part of my issue.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: Part of my issue, again, with that, and actually, John
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: actually said it on the.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: John said it in that last episode. Yeah, factory reset.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: The whole ring.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 6: I'm listening. I'm here, you.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: Partition the drive. Partition the drive. Give me a new ring, actually.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: So that was, honestly, that was part of my problem
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: because John brought that up when Hal, early on, kept saying, sorry, well, hologram.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: kept saying sorry he said i don't want your i
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: don't want your apology i want his right um.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: So i kind of felt the same way in.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: With porsche saying where it's like hologram kind of can't
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: say i love you to uh john in place of
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: how right because hologram didn't do to how i mean
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: didn't do to john What Hal did, you know what
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: I mean? He, so it kind of felt, it kind
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: of felt like, okay, this is good enough, but I
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: also did not need it because it's like, that's like,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: you know, your, your, your, your mom apologizing for your,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: for your brother.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: Right. You know, he's sorry. You know, that's just how
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: he is. Kind of not. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: I still kind of need to hear it from him
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: in order to receive it.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 5: But he's dead, so that wasn't enough.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: Agreed. No.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 6: Fuck him. The person.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: Some shit just ends unresolved.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 6: That's life.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Talk about some lovable asshole.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: He jumped out the car when I was in it twice.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: One of the times I almost died.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 6: Only one time did he have a ring. The other
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 6: time there was no ring.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 11: And he literally would have died.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 5: Don't let him die.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: I'm glad he knocked his shit up in that fucking diner.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: I'm glad he.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, me too.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 6: Don't get me wrong.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 5: Hal deserved all the bullshit that happened to him. All
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: the shit that happened to him.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: I thought that was... I thought that was funny. Including that.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: That's in the bullshit.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 6: That needs to happen.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: Negative 35.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: That was.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: I actually really enjoyed that part, too, where Hal's like,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: what do you mean apologize for you?
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: I took the fall. He's like, no, nigga, you fell. Like,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: you did this. What you mean? Yeah, I mean, he
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: told me. You took the fall. That was my.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 7: That was one of my observations early on in this
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 7: episode was that basically what we.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 6: Like, whenever.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 7: Hal is sitting there and... Carrie walks up to him.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 7: It's like, do you need a doctor? And he says, no,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 7: I don't got no ring. So he just sing at
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 7: that out of habit. And I feel like, like thinking
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 7: about how's habits, how me thinking about how, like we
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 7: end up here in the season with how, because he
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 7: kind of created his own self-fulfilling prophecy.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 6: He trusts his gut. He keeps going with his gut.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 6: He's going by his willpower, the whole green ring of
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 6: it all.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 7: And it lands him to his own hubris and, And
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 7: he says it right there when he's laying there. He's like,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 7: the Guardians can now write me off because I made
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 7: this decision to go rogue on my own. They knew
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 7: that they left him to his own devices. He would
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 7: end up making the case for them and they didn't
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 7: have to intervene in the first place.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 6: And so I love that, like.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 7: Hal, the fact that Hal tried to put a splinket
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 7: on John when John shows up at the diner, but
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 7: Hal has known good darn well this whole time that
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 7: he landed himself in the exact position that he landed
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 7: him on his own.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 6: And the guardians just let him do what he needed
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 6: to do to give them the case.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 6: And so I just, that was.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 7: Really like, as a literary device, as a writing component,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 7: I really love that. Like, as Ben was saying, like,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 7: each character is battling with themselves. And that was Hal's
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 7: journey was like, how much of an asshole are you
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 7: going to be? You're such an asshole that you asshole yourself.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 7: into your worst predicament.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: And it's like, he wants to be better than that,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: but he can't, you know, it's like people aren't perfect.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: And that's why fantastic writing when they're not characters who,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: you know, automatically just do one thing. Cause no one
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: person just does one thing, you know? people are very hypocritical.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: You know, that is just how people are and how,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: even though he knows he's wrong, when John confronts him,
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: when someone tells, you know, when someone tells you you wrong,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: you're like, nah, fuck that you wrong.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: You know, especially my replacement. Fuck out of here, dog.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: You know, he's still a little bitter.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: Like Terry said, you know, I, I know you're ready,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: but I still believe that, you know, no one can
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: do this job like I can. And, So it's tough
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: to let go of it.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 7: I do like that the hologram also said to him,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 7: I think you're going to do a better job with
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 7: this ring than I ever would have.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 6: But again, the hologram says that to Hyde's point.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: But see, again, the hologram is supposed to be his
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: pure essence or not the one who's so jaded, so hurt,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: who went through.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 6: All the drama.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 7: But the jaded one is the one that needs to
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 7: be the one that comes to terms and speaks to
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 7: John from that place.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 6: Of like, you know what?
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 11: Dead.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: Dead.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 7: Again we understand I'm saying the thing is like it's
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 7: not gonna ring the same to John if it's like
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 7: not the version he actually got harmed by.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 5: I have a question though about that because it's not
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 5: gonna ring the same but is it still something that
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 5: matters to John because to me the way the character
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 5: takes that it's not like oh this is the fake
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 5: ass how that said this i don't really appreciate this
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 5: you know sorry or i don't appreciate this i love
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 5: you i feel at least from what was on.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 6: Screen for me the way i interpreted it i feel like.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 5: It meant something to john still even though it was
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 5: a approximation of the person that did actually hurt him
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 5: that did actually do all these things with him it
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 5: was still acceptable because that was, it was a piece
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 5: of his soul, essentially, talking to him.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 6: That's how I took it.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm too deep with it.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for me, it was like, and like from personal experience,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: my dad was never a vocal person. Like I've said,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: you know, he definitely would hit me when things weren't right,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: but he wasn't the type to ever really be like, yo,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: I'm proud of you. Like, I can count the times
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: that I can remember him actually saying that. And so
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: for me, if I had a version of him that
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: wasn't so trapped by white supremacy, by toxic mentality, by
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: all these things that he grew up in that were
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: just trained into him and fear, a lot of fear.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: I can't show this type of love to my son
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: because he got to be hard so he can survive
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: this world. If I got that from someone who wasn't
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: affected by all that, which I feel like is this
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: version of Hal, I would take it. It would be
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: beautiful to me because it's like getting to see the
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: person really express their emotions, really express who they are
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: underneath all, you know, the trauma. So, yeah, I would,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: I would, you know, that's why to me it was
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: so fucking touching, you know, that they got to this relationship,
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: whether it's the hologram or not, it's, the true essence
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: of who they both are. You know, they both had
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: to go through this journey of not lying to themselves,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: of being who they really want to be, being able
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: to express themselves. John saying, no, this is who the
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: fuck I am. I don't give a fuck about you.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: I'll shut the fuck up. You know, when you're joking,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: when you make another dumb ass joke, just shut the
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: fuck up, you know? So that's why that scene was
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: so beautiful. And this whole, you know, arc that they
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: both were on was incredible to me.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: I did appreciate it, but I just think that John,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: was owed a lot more from a lot of the
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: people on the show from his, from, from literally damn
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: to everybody from Carrie, from his parents, from how everyone
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: kind of, and obviously John had his flaws too, but
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: he probably was abused the most. On the show, like
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: from an emotional standpoint, right?
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: Brothers would argue that.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 6: Brothers would argue, yeah.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's a good point, right?
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: Honestly, his relationships with his brothers, that relationship meant a
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: lot to me too. But it's just, you know, from,
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: I don't want to go back there, but yeah, like
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: even his mom getting that moment with him was great,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: but she also needed to apologize.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: Like, she also needed to, you know what I mean?
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: But you don't have to see that on screen too,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: I feel. Like, certain stuff has to be understood. You can't,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: You know, that's showing rather than telling. Like, you cannot,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 3: you know, and that's showing him having the family all
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: in one house is showing that the apologies, the forgiveness,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: the destruction have happened.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: So we're to imply that those have happened. Yeah, I
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: don't need this. He was hungry. Like, oh, you want
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: some food? Because, yeah, there were issues going on with
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: each person. Like, his brother was barely listening. That's exactly
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: what my mother used to say after she scrapped the
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: shit out of me. Yeah, you want some food? Yeah,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: he was barely talking to his mother.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and so... He was calling her Bernadette.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 6: Remember that, by her first name.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so for her to see, you know, to
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: see them all in the house together, to see them
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: immediately go.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 4: Hug the rapper brother who he was just screaming on, you.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: Know, like, all the.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: And for my man to have the gold chains on
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: was hilarious.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You knew immediately who the rapper was. Yeah, you know, immediately.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 6: I was like, oh, that's good.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: I had the gold chains on, you know, all that.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: So that, like, that's what I'm saying. It's like, You know,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: certain things you... And that's the thing about script writing
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: and about... Well, you know, it's about what I talk
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: about real estate is what you talk about in script writing.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: It's like you only have so much real estate. You
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: got 57 minutes. And so do you want space battles
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: or do you want John going on a full character journey?
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: You know, do you want... You know, the focus of
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: the show, even though Bernadette and them have done stuff,
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: I get it. Some people want space battles. Well, hey,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: wait for Man of Tomorrow. You know, that's where you'll
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: get your big green space battles.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: You know, like.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 6: Bernadette's upset. He wants that shit now.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: Let him have it. I'm ready now. I want a spaceship.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: What do I get? Waterboarding. Yeah, well... Guns aimed at children.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: At black children. That's what I get. Wait, the waterborne
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: wasn't aimed at black children. No, he said guns aimed
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: at black children. I said guns aimed at black children.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 6: John is the black child.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, I forgot. Yeah, there was a lot of
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 4: guns aimed at black children.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: I was like, when?
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh yeah, that's right.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, on the map.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: First 10 minutes.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: I am desensitized.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: And then they did it again in the third episode.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: He aimed a gun at his neck.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 4: On himself, yeah.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: On sight. I mean, what do you want?
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: Like, you want, like, you know, the Smurfs for a show? Like,
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: with Black people or some shit?
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't know. Like, I mean, I want peace
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: and happiness, you know? Like.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 6: man's wanted battles in.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: Space i really want to know what else you watch
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: like have you do you watch power you know uh snowfall.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: I haven't watched power yet i haven't watched.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: Snowfall okay all right you keep a reference for reference
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: like we're going super hard route i really like the
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: penguins That nigga was terrible. He was an awful person.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: He choked out a black kid. He stayed the same
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: from the beginning. You could have known he was going
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: to do that from the beginning. I knew he was too,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: but it still did it. But I'm still going back.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: So you just not watch shows with black on black violence?
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: I don't like... Don't get him started. Yeah, no, no, no.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: Get me started.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: That's what's up. I didn't know this was going to reoccur.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 8: No, no.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: It's a thing. It's a thing. I don't like.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 9: any type of cop again, anything really. I try to
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 9: keep like, but it's like to the extremes though. Like
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 9: to the point, I don't even like seeing even.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: In a Mario movie when they showed the NYPD car,
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I feel the same way.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: I was like mad. I was mad about shit like that.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: When we watched One Last Chill, I pointed out how
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: that is pure copaganda. It's pure copaganda and there's no
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: cops in it. And it's still copaganda. So I'm the
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: same way.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: And isn't the Punisher thing is like, isn't he like mad? Like,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: isn't he kind of... No, they subvert.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 5: He does denounce all that. I'm about to say it.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 5: He does denounce that play.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but the idea of one man representing law and
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: order is copaganda. No matter who it's done by. No
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: matter if you say, I hate cops or not.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: That's that Clint Eastwood shit.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's still Copaganda.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 7: That's how we spoke about it, the way that we
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 7: did in, like, for Game of Thrones and the Knights. Like,
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 7: the Knights in Game of Thrones.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: For Copaganda. Like, we're pretty extreme here, too, bro.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: But even on the first episode, Portia and Tatiana, I
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 3: asked them, is this show Copaganda?
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: He did ask that.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 5: I was going to say, because you weren't completely off-base, Trent,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 5: until you just said the moment you see a shield
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 5: or a gun, like, you're like, all right, fuck this shit.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 6: That's kind of a question I have for you, though.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 6: That's how extreme it gets.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 6: The substance of the show if it's just the.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: Moment you see.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: Paw Patrol is like... Yo, Paw Patrol.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 4: I'm 100% on that one.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: Hell no. Hell no. Yeah, straight up.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: They're showing kids that cops are good from an early age.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 4: Fuck that. All cops are bastards.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and using dogs to do it. They did that
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: in real life with the canine unit.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 5: They didn't do that with the German Shepherds.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: Those dogs will fuck you up still.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 6: At the airport.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 7: I think the difference that Ben brought up earlier is
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 7: what I get into.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 6: Like, if it's there to be used as a device.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 7: To actually interrogate the idea of copying, if it's there
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 7: to actually, like, let's pull apart. Like, yes, in this
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 7: day and age, are most people having a problem with
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 7: critically engaging with stuff and being like, this show is
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 7: not actually telling us that we... should look at the
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 7: cops as good people. But people are so used to
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 7: looking at cops as good people, they're not going to
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 7: understand the themes and the lessons between things.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 6: That is a problem.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: So is it as helpful as it's supposed to be?
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 6: Is it as helpful as it's going to be?
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: That's a real question. That's a debate.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 6: It depends on what you get off the shelf.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: But you have that versus NYPD, you know, CSI, et cetera.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: So it's like, I'd much rather have lanterns than the onslaught.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: Blue bloods. blue bloods is the absolute worst show on.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: Everything is propaganda like there is just a constant onslaught
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 3: like even.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 5: Though i love it lioness is a prime example of
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 5: the military industrial complex copy i love watching it but
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 5: it is the number one.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 3: They are straight up on the show talk about iran
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: and then they move on to you know this next
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: nation that we need to bomb it is you know.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 6: It is military industrial complex.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: It's propaganda.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 6: It's everything.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 3: And the dude who writes it is a straight-up MAGA, full-on,
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: you know, whatever.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 4: He claims to be centrist, which is just.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 6: He claims to be centrist.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, which is just the worst.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: But, you know, so... And I had this realization a
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: couple of years ago. It's like cops in America are
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: so horrific that without the constant onslaught of copaganda in
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 3: every form, we would examine it a lot more because
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: all you would get is the bad news about cops
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: because their numbers are so bad that it's just impossible.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: So it's like, You need it constantly, every day, in
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: every form of media. Cops are okay.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 7: That is a great point. I would love to see
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 7: someone do a study. I might have to do this
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 7: at some point. Look at the scale of how much
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 7: more cop shows and movies appeared after 2020.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 6: The uprisings and everything.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: Even before that.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: When the SWAT teams came in in the 90s, then
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: like mad cop shows started coming on and it's like
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: it keeps.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 7: Getting worse is there is there a point that happens
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 7: in like society that they just keep like and it
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 7: would be really interesting to see that because I feel
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 7: like also who's being.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: Casted Like you said, all the Blacks.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 7: And there are people who have some social appeal, not
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 7: just because they're Black, but because, like, why is Angela Bassett?
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: Why is Ice-T a cop? But Ice-T's been in there.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: I know, but it was like they got him early.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 3: That's like the dress thing.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: It's like he was straight up making a song, Cop Killer.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: And then they were like, nope.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 7: And that gets me in my.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: Shut up. Shut the fuck up, nigga.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 9: That takes me.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 7: To my point that Ben does not like me to
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 7: make about generations and how I think certain generations like
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 7: to do shit.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: But again, when they're younger, they're cop killer. And then
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: as they get older, niggas change.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: And like I said, you haven't had the time yet.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 4: Time will tell.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: I told you it's starting on me, man. look at this.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: Look at this panel we have right here.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 5: You open my eyes to a lot of things I
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 5: didn't know about you in this episode so I said.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: My god what generation are you from he's.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 7: A millennial millennial marvel black militia is different.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 3: Than white militia let me take a talk over here
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: you know one last thing on this.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: One last thing on this for me.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 9: Because, like I said, The Wire is an amazingly written show.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 9: And yes, it's mad copaganda in that show.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: It still is.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 9: The thing that pulled people to that show in the
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 9: first few couple seasons are the cop shit.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: And all that instead.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: You can watch that whole show as like a straight
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: up cop show. You know, it's called The Wire.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: The Wire. Yes, you can. But like, a show.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: About cops is not always copaganda.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: I'm waking it up.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 9: No, because even if it's, there's always interpretations that could
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 9: be pulled for people that are like pro-cop. and they
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 9: can i just view it all as being destructive in
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 9: my opinion the.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: Funny thing is about the wire uh cops never shoot
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: anyone straight up the only time a cop fires his
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 3: gun is when uh whatever the dude eventually becomes a
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: teacher he shoots another cop and one shoots a gun
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: in his office those are the two times that a
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: cop shoots the one on the wire so But they still.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: Kind of do that whole reformation thing of like, oh yeah,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: cops can be reformed. This is the wire, man.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: I get it if you want to talk about any
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: other show in the world, we can, but this is
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 3: like the wire.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 4: That's like saying that Andor is like, you know, pro-fascism.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: I have to watch this.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: It could be very well. You should watch. You should watch.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 5: I don't want to hear your.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 9: So here's the thing that I was trying to say
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 9: was there's a person I watched online. He was talking about,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 9: I think it's called the diluted pedestal theory or something
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 9: like that, where basically he was saying he, it's a
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 9: theory where in animation, you don't allow anything to be
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 9: misconstrued as like, um, white supremacists, uh, propaganda or anything
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 9: like that. And he brought up in invincible. Y'all watch
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 9: that show. I'm sure y'all watch it. Um, there was
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 9: a scene where all the Vulture mites, you know, obviously
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 9: the Vulture mites are the strongest beings and stuff. And, um,
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 9: drag was given like a speech and everything. And in
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 9: the scene where they're all like raising their fist, black
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 9: fists go up first. And they said that there's a
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 9: reason why that was happening was because if there's a
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 9: white fist that came up, it's kind of like a
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 9: dog whistle, um, for like white supremacists to look at
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 9: that and take that and change it to something completely.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 9: So that whole, like the, what is it? Um, the
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 9: diluted pedestal theory. I think we need a lot more
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 9: of that in black media specifically to make things not
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 9: look a certain way. even if it's like, even if
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 9: you're attending it to look like really good, it's still like,
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 9: that's how I view all cop again. Any type of
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 9: cop media, it's still.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 6: But isn't that what lanterns did?
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: I would have to argue that. It's like, so I
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: didn't like the show.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: You're saying I can't show, you can't show cops is
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 3: what you're basically saying.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: I don't want to see, I don't want to see
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: no cops and no media ever.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's not going to solve the issue. I
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 3: know it's not going to solve the issue. You can't
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 3: stick your head in the fucking face, man.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. No, Definitely not.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 9: We're talking about media, especially fictional stories. I'm saying that
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 9: we should care more. There's too much of one thing
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 9: and not enough of the other. There's too much propaganda.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 3: There's too much propaganda unexamined on every form of media.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 3: So to have one show out of 99 shows out
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 3: of 100 that actually examines it, like The Wire, like Lanterns,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 3: like Watchmen, like Andor... I, I disagreed it. Those are
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: the problems, you know, like, and I disagreed it. You
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 3: can avoid talking about these subjects. It's just like underground
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 3: was the one slave show slave narrative that I approved
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 3: of because it's like, I don't want to see a
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: million slave narratives where I don't want to see 12
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: years of slavery at the end of it.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 4: It's all good. And a white man saved them.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 3: What I do want to see is the horrors of
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: slavery shown how ridiculous it is. and the strength of
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: the black people that we had to endure to fight
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: back against it.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 4: And that's what underground showed me.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: I don't want to see a show about cops where
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: they don't, you know, examine what it means for a
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: person to be a police officer. And that's 99% of shows.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: And so it's like, I don't, I, yeah, I cannot
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: put the wire or lanterns in the same category as,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: you know, law and order.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 4: That's it's disrespectful.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 9: But did this show make you feel, anymore like did
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 9: it make you lean in more towards like alright yeah
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 9: that's right cops are more like are terrible people.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: I'm already there you're already there you're already there so
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: why do you need that I.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: Don't need it's not for me.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 5: I would argue that I never thought about cops in
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 5: the first place, to be honest with you. I never, honestly,
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 5: after everything's said and done with Lanterns, not an iota
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 5: of a cop thought passed my mind. I wasn't even
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 5: fucking thinking about cops. I'm thinking about this nigga, John,
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 5: flew away, and now we're going to get the rest
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 5: of the DCU, and how's this going to tie into Penguins?
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 5: That's me, and that's also me as a comic book enthusiast.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 5: I wonder, now that you've mentioned this, Dren, I do wonder, maybe, Hod,
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 5: you've filled differently or similar people who don't have that
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 5: background did does the thought of cops and all this
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 5: other stuff enter your mind or is it just about
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 5: you learned something about some comic book shit.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: For me no i didn't i didn't i mean i
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: i'm again i'm fine with cops in media like i
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: think they exist you know what i mean so it's
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: um it's not really.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: One of your favorite youtube videos to watch.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: Actually yes i love body cam videos oh my god
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: what the fuck Okay.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 3: Stay on topic.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 6: Stay on topic.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: These hoes. Oh, shit. Man, Paul.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 6: No, but I mean, like.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 5: I guess my point is just that I wasn't thinking
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 5: about no cops. I was just thinking about the larger
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 5: implications of the DCU.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 6: Like, I was thinking about.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: Fucking MAGA hat is just going to form on my ass.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: We were talking about the editing on trend, but nobody
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: can put it to the wild.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 5: I tried to get past it, but he brought it
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 5: right back. But yeah, like, do y'all feel... What you
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 5: even thinking about cop shit, bro? Like, what would you
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 5: think if you finished watching Lanterns?
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: No, I just... As you said... As you said, John...
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: It was never realistic enough for him.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 5: You just said it was too grounded.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 6: Like, what the fuck? No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: I'm saying it was cop shit from the beginning and
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: it was cop shit in the end. They call them
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: space cops. I was like.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 9: Listen, I told them. Because we talked about this show, like,
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 9: I think three times. And then one was, like, in
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 9: the beginning stages. And I already told, like, the boys.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: I was like, yo.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 3: this show ain't for me. I know this show ain't
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: for me. Once it was like, oh, so y'all basically
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 3: from space. There's a line in the show. I was like, oh,
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 3: fuck no.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 5: At the end of watching lanterns.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 6: What did y'all feel?
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 8: Listen, me being familiar with the green lanterns. I did
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 8: not outside of that one line where, and I knew
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 8: when I heard it, he's definitely going to have a
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 8: lot to say about this. Um, But, no, because, I mean,
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 8: outside of the Proud Boys that Megan had, it wasn't
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 8: really much cop shit going on.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: It just seemed like Carrie was.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 8: The whole force running around. Yeah, she was the only
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 8: one running around. Like, who are your partners?
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: Like, who are you? Like, who are you?
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 6: The one security nigga.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 7: And he's the same guy who's at the jail whenever
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 7: he needs to use the phone.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 6: Same guy.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 4: But it was like, they don't have much crime.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: They don't have shit going on in this town. Dude
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: at the jail was like, homies.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 8: Dude at the jail was homies with Hal. Like, he
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 8: didn't really care about that sheriff.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 3: He kept giving niggas his phone to call their people
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: and shit like that.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 8: My theory about that whole town of Rushville was like,
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 8: similar to how scarlet witch in uh in her show
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 8: she kind of like you know built that town i
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 8: felt like everybody in that town yeah in westview like
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 8: everybody in rushville old yes.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: Favor and yeah they knew what was going on.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah they everybody knew what was going on so it
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 8: was like nobody gave a fuck about any titles that
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 8: they had there was no doctors because they didn't need
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 8: no need no doctors. Nobody was in the jail because
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 8: nobody was wild. And Terry's talking about, oh, I'm trying
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 8: to keep my town safe.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: Safe from who? Everybody's under control here.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, apparently not a firebomb in niggas' houses.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 6: That's when he came through.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 5: The person who ruined it for them.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: And there's no.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 8: Police looking for who burnt down the house, I guarantee you.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not one.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: It was not a single investigation had. Because they did it.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 5: I am the law because she is the only nigga
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 5: that's on the force.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 3: That's why she was so upset when he came in
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: the first place. She was like, she knew what was
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 3: about to happen. He was about to fuck it all up,
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 3: you know, and she's like, oh, my God, here comes
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 3: this idiot, you know, and then he did fuck it
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 3: all up.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 9: So can I give you a silly example of how
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 9: if you're not paying attention to this show, you can
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 9: see this shit as something else. in the scene is
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 9: it in the um i think it was episode eight
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 9: right where they was in the the diner or whatever
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 9: or they went to um where it was howling and
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 9: carrie and they was all just staring at him in
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 9: my head i was like do they hate how because
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 9: he was hanging out with that colored man valid they
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 9: were all staring like he was that's that man that
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 9: was hanging with that colored boy that'd be having that
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 9: green color.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 3: Boy I mean were there any brown people in that
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 3: restaurant I don't know there were no brown remember Zoe
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 3: was the only other brown person in that whole town.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 9: And they capped her well the other you know the
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 9: black person took her out There we go.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: Black on black crime. I mean, the other cop looked
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: like he was Latin, right?
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he was Latino.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he was Latino.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: Who was this Latino?
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 4: The other cop.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: The cop.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 6: The one who was there for the football game and
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 6: the one with the phone at the gym.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: Same guy. Wow. That was the same dude I didn't
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: even realize.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 6: I didn't even realize it.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: Gary, cop, same shit.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 6: Because that's all they got.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 3: They don't need nothing.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 7: I think, I love Damon's, like, now I'm going to
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 7: be sitting with that, like, over the layers of, like,
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 7: difference and similarities between Westview and Rushville and, like, how
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 7: it's a facade for something, but with Scarlet Witch, it's all,
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 7: they're there by force and terror versus, like, the Rushville
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 7: people were there because they were being.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 6: They were being guarded, but.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 7: They are the ones who have the worst fate because
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 7: the guardian of them becomes their nuke. And in Westview,
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 7: everyone already knew Scarlet Witch was fucking them up. And
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 7: then it just like, she was the one who had
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 7: the realization that she was fucking them up. So would
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 7: you prefer to live, would you prefer to live in
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 7: Westview under Scarlet Witch.
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 6: Or you're with a Rushville post-Manhunter.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: West, no. Post-Manhunter?
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 6: But Westview, you're being tortured.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 3: You're being tortured under.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: The Scarlet Witch's control.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 3: Wait, before the Green Lantern shows up.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 6: No, post-Manhunter.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 5: You mean after everything got destroyed the first time?
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 6: I post everything got destroyed. I wouldn't want to live
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 6: in that shit.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 3: I thought you were.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 5: Going to say, before Rushville got blown the fuck up,
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 5: would I want to live there?
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 7: No. Because that's not the same. Because the people in
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 7: Westview are being tortured. They know they're being tortured. Now
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 7: you have to know in Rushville.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 6: You've been tortured. Your person who was your savior is
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 6: now your torturer.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 4: I feel like the racism is less in Westview. Yeah,
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 4: I'm going to eat it.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: Shit. Shit.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 8: I never want to live in Nebraska. Fun fact, Westview
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 8: is in New Jersey, so I will be going home.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 4: There we go. I ain't mad at it.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: I actually love old sitcoms, so I could do.
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: A little Lucy type vibe. I mean, why not the
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: different world?
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 3: You know, I can ask Charlie for that. You know,
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 3: give me a little helmet on, you know, on the side,
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 3: you know, for us black people. Can we change up
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 3: the setting a little bit?
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just a little bit. I'm not asking to leave.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, yeah, like, can we, can we get
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 2: like a living single? I'll take homeboys and out of space.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 6: Homeboys and housewives.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, wait.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: Post-Rushville after shit got orbital bombed. I would have to choose....
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 6: Scarlet Witches.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been Scarlet Witches.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 5: Because I wouldn't want to live, one, like, damn, I
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 5: wouldn't want to live in Nebraska.
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 6: Sorry, guys.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 5: Two, I don't want to live in a place where
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 5: it's after all the miracles have been taken from me.
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 2: And then I'm the brown person. And I'm in Nebraska.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 2: And they're like, what? Yeah, nah. Nah. Nah.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 3: And when your star high school quarterback is 5'1, that's
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 3: how it sucks.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 6: Like, nah. Hey, your height is not everything, sir.
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 4: I don't know how tall he was.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 6: He gave at least 5'9.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 4: At least. At least.
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: At least. This is terrible 5'9 propaganda. I'm 5'9. I'm 5'9, too,
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: but this don't look good. Don't call that boy a 5'9.
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 2: You know, like, we got good PR right now. She
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 2: said he gave a strong 5'9. Yeah, we got good
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: PR right now. Not too much on the 5'9ers.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 6: I mean, he was very powerful.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 7: And he was talking about how, like, He had a
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 7: very school shooter line that was like, oh, the things
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 7: that go on in my head.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 3: Yo.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that was Columbine-esque.
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 3: Would leave you screaming.
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 6: Would leave you screaming. And then he was like, I've
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 6: had thoughts about going to the Pentagon. And I was like, well, shoot.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 6: So I'm going to do something like this.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: That's them sons of police officers.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 8: Cut my life into pieces. I'm like, I actually need
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 8: this ring. I actually need to.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: Charge this ring.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 3: John was definitely debating, like, do I need to make
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 3: another trip to the gun store?
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 6: Suffocation no breathing oh man we gotta go guys i
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 6: mean when he's someone who.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: Broke sinestro out and that's.
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 8: The main thing to me like that i'm sorry before
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 8: we go can he fly noah.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 3: I guess so. You know, that was one of the
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 3: more like.
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: They don't explain. You look, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, man.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 4: Let's just wave this away. You know, that's what it is.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: He got there.
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 3: That's what we got there. The magic of off screen.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 6: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 5: He had the power, the power of no. He had
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 5: those portals. I assume he could make more than one.
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 5: So he did one portal to the next. Then he
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 5: got him out. let's be let's be you know more precise.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: Use the rules of the universe.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 5: How convenient how convenient is that I'm just using what
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 5: they're giving me things.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: Needed to happen things needed to happen.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 9: That's the most alien shit they had in this show
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 9: we got these portals You just, it was.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: Like a little Play-Doh. You just set it up. Also
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: straight from the comic book.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, comic book. You know, the DC has the boom
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 4: tubes and boom portals, so.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, straight up.
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 5: Now I gotta, yeah, I do gotta ask what Ben asked.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't want you to answer, but like,
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 5: what did you want? Like, what did you want that
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 5: they didn't have? That they didn't, because they did.
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 6: Do that, but don't answer. Anyway, we gotta go. We
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 6: gotta go. One last thing.
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 7: It's the one thing I'm looking forward to is that
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 7: they left on the table for as a hanging thread
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 7: was that John being confident that he and Guy won't
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 7: collide going forward.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 6: I was like, oh, we're going to see that happen.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. And also, I think the other thread is
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 3: what we were talking about is that his ring is
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 3: still has yellow in it. You know, all that's to
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 3: be left for season two, et cetera. You know, so.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 3: I was, that was something I was a bit disappointed in,
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 3: but I'm also like, you know, it would have been
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 3: really weird if at the end he turns yellow and
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 3: it's like, you know, at the end, you.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 2: Know, he would turn green.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 6: What is he, the amber?
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 5: He's a lantern now.
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 6: Like, what is he?
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: No, he's still green.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 4: It's just, you know.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 6: Light-skinned lantern.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: Okay. Light-skinned lantern. Sprite. Sprite. The lineman.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 5: The lineman.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 4: The lineman lantern.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 6: I guess, niggas.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 9: Y'all let us know in the comments who y'all think
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 9: should get waterboarded next.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. Let us know. Not even on the show,
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: just in general, who is this? Who would you not
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: care about getting waterboarded? Who would you not care about
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: getting waterboarded? Put hashtag waterboard in the comments. Hashtag waterboard.
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 2: Don't drag us down.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 8: That's the most said word this episode.
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 9: Probably letting that shit fly between Nebraska and waterboarding those
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 9: are like the most.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 7: That's probably the saddest thing about the algorithm is that
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 7: all the other things that we can say that would
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 7: get us blocked but waterboarding is not good.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah we could just keep are y'all sure we about
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 3: to test the box waterboarding sounds like a fun activity
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 3: like it sounds like you surf it does you know
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 3: what I try to go waterboarding like it sounds mad
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 3: fun it does sound like a vacation yeah a vacation
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 3: activity I waterboarded if you last saw me that shit
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 3: was lit like it's on the list of excursions yeah
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 3: ride a horse to the sea do a.
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: Little waterboarding with the dolphins.
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: Imagine your wife would be if you woke up like
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: babe so um I got us booked for waterboarding 3 p.m.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: At 12 p.m.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 6: It's a surprise.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: Surprise.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 4: Anniversary.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 6: Are we in Russia? Is this a KGB hazing? What's happening?
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: No, we live in America. Like I said, we're the
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: king of this shit. I was not thinking about waterboarding
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 2: until this show. Waterboard? It's like quicksand. You don't think
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 2: about that shit unless you see it.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 3: This is quite true. It's not something that comes up
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 3: in casual conversation.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 5: Is there anything else we left behind? So we got
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 5: to wrap this up.
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 5: Anything else we left behind? Y'all think I'll set everything
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 5: you need to say about lanterns. One of the best
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 5: TV shows in recent history.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 3: One thing I will say that because I saw this yesterday,
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 3: I saw a couple of people say this, that this
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 3: show is a middle finger to comic book fans and
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 3: fans of the comic.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 4: And I'm just like, you'll get a life.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 6: It's a middle finger.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 5: To unimaginative fans. comic book fans who don't understand the
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 5: purpose of comic books.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 3: And to fans who have read very specific Green Lantern
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 3: comics and have not read enough.
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 5: I would even buck against that. It doesn't matter whether
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 5: you read enough. It's a fucking comic book based off
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 5: of an official character that has a million entry points
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 5: and a million exit points.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 6: These characters have been written over and over 30 different ways.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 4: This is all true.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 6: Like, give me a break.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: I don't care what you read or didn't read.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 5: None of these characters are, what's the word where you just,
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 5: where they are static.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 6: None of these characters are static.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 5: Like, that's the first part.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: People need to get over themselves.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 3: I don't have one to say something, but I would
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 3: say this is the most interesting how Jordan has probably
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 3: ever been.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I can say that too. Yeah.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 4: Straight up.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 1: I was just curious on where you guys rank it
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: amongst the DC TV shows.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 4: Oh, um, I really enjoyed Peacemaker, but I'd have to
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 4: say it's better than that.
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah?
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 3: So out of the new ones, and I don't want
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 3: to count this as Penguin, but it's still better than
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 3: Penguin to me still.
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 6: Out of the new ones, top three?
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like Penguin a lot, man, but this was like.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 3: It's like I say, it's one of the rare shows
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 3: that was examining a lot of things, and Penguin had
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 3: no blackness.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 6: How about to say, Ben, and let's face it, we.
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 5: we gelled with this show on multiple levels.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 3: Personal levels so that makes sense yeah blackness just means
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 3: a lot to me it being like when you show
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 3: blackness on screen that's another thing like when i talk
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 3: about real estate real quick it's like not only does
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 3: this show have to you know deal with the lord
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 3: of green lantern corps not only does it have to
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 3: tell a compelling mystery not only does it have to
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 3: introduce john and make him a star you know amongst
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 3: the dcu it has to deal with the side of
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 3: the fact that things like Justin said that they can't ignore,
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 3: you know, you can't ignore the racial aspects of this show.
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 3: And so for it to do all of that with
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 3: the grace and, you know, great storytelling that it did,
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 3: that's why I always rate things like this a little higher.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 3: I always rate black productions in Hollywood a little bit
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 3: higher because they, especially when they address these things, you know,
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 3: and it's not just, okay, we're just a newer race
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 3: or whatever. So it's that, Because that's more difficult to
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 3: do in the same amount of space that a show
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 3: like Peacemaker, well, Peacemaker actually did, but, you know, Penguin
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 3: did not.
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 5: I would say this is top three DCU show. And
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 5: just in terms of just good TV top, also in
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 5: terms of good comic book shit top is kicking Marvel's ass.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 6: Like, it's great.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 5: It was brilliant.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 7: I think I've only watched three DC TV shows, like
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 7: more recent ones. It's the Harley Quinn animated ones, Penguin,
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 7: and this. And my thing about my rating system, like
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 7: when I read things, when I watch things, it's always
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 7: about rewatchability, rereadability. Am I going to rewatch The Lanterns?
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 7: Or Lanterns.
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 6: Definitely before the next season. But you mean like a
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 6: casual watch?
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 7: I will casually watch the Harley Quinn series, but I
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 7: won't casually watch the Lantern series.
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 6: That's fair. Because it has a gravity to it that
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 6: I have to be in a state of mind for.
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: It's like Andor.
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it is like Andor, and I love Andor.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Andor is one of my favorite shows of all time,
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 3: but I'm not in a rush to re-watch it. Because
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 3: that is something I have to be mentally prepared for
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 3: to sit through and be like.
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to deal with the feelings that are
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 4: going to be brought up by this show.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 6: I definitely want to re-watch Randor, too.
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 7: I want to watch Rogue One into both seasons of Randor,
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 7: or Randor into Rogue One, just to get the continuity
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 7: together of the timeline.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 3: It's sweet when you do that. It hurts a lot more.
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 3: Rogue One becomes a crushing movie when you watch it.
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 3: Because I did that on my second watch of Air Door.
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 3: I watched Air Door and then immediately after it was finished,
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 3: we turned on Rogue One. and it was fucking crushing.
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: I can imagine.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 7: So, like, Harley Quinn, like, so I'll say, like, out
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 7: of the three DCs that I've watched, I'm like, I
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 7: like it, but, like, Harley Quinn as, like, for my jollies,
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna go watch.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, Harley Quinn is all, it's a phenomenal, especially, like,
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 3: the first two seasons. I don't think I watched the third,
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 3: but the first two were, like, phenomenal. When Harley and
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 3: Ivy do that leap in the car, I think that's
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 3: the end of the second season they drop off, it's like,
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 3: This was like, you know, that's two seasons of perfection
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 3: to me. That was like, you know, Harley Quinn is
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 3: one of the ones.
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 6: I love Poison Ivy.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God. Love that show.
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 3: How about y'all?
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 6: Have y'all watched the DC, other DC shows?
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 8: I have not watched the latest seasons of the Harley
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 8: Quinn show. I know this doesn't fall under that same umbrella,
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 8: I think, of like the HBO stuff. But on Prime,
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 8: I did watch Caped Crusader. Oh, I never watched a
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 8: lot of Batman content lately. And I, I think you'll
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 8: love it. They do a lot of twists on, um,
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 8: you know, a lot of people in his Rose gallery,
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 8: not just the, how they act, but how they look. Um,
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 8: you know, they gave us a black Jim Gordon. They're
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 8: kind of following the, the breadcrumbs that the, uh, the Batman, the,
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 8: the live action from a few years ago, kind of
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 8: laid out and they're kind of continuing on with that.
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 4: And I think that's great. Um, I watched, what do
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 4: you call it recently?
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 3: Cause I've been, I've been watching a lot of Batman
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 3: stuff too for somebody I'm working on, but I watched, uh,
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 3: what's the one with Bane?
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 4: The new one.
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 4: Nightfall.
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 3: Exceptional.
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 2: Amazing.
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 4: I watched it the other day. Exceptional. Goddamn Bane is
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 4: terrifying and that shit.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 8: It's a story that's been told many, many times, but
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 8: I don't think it's been told like this before. Like,
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 8: especially from Bane's point of view, I loved every single
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 8: part of it.
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 2: I can't wait for part two.
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 3: So good.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 3: Let's wrap this up because we are, please let the
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 3: people out there know where they can find you at.
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 9: Um, like I said, I am trend, AKA trend dollars,
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 9: AKA trend, the cancerian, AKA waterboard.
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: How?
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 9: And I, you can find me on Thursdays and because
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 9: we are a podcast or Fridays, actually we drop on
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 9: Fridays and, um, you can follow us on because we
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 9: are a podcast everywhere.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 2: You get your podcast, tick tock, Instagram, Twitter.
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 6: What is your podcast about? Why should people watch Because
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 6: We Are?
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 3: Because we are three black men that give our unique
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 3: opinions and critiques on media that we consume.
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 9: And we also just three dudes that like each other.
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 9: We funny, you know?
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 6: And you also run a show where you cheat on
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 6: a show.
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. That's what this is about.
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah, we also be putting belter ass to certain podcasts.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 9: because we feud that's a monthly segment that we have
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 9: our season is coming to a close but definitely go
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 9: back and listen to.
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 2: All of it. We had a lot of fun doing that.
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 8: We got a couple more episodes left. I'm going to
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 8: do a complete close.
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 2: You're almost there.
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 3: We definitely have special stuff coming.
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 9: There's a whole backlog of stuff that we've done with
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 9: Because We Feud. Also, just our show in general. We
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 9: really just have really intense and caring conversations about all
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 9: types of media stuff. Video games, movies, tv shows everything
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 9: we touch everything anime comic book comic books now we
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 9: do uh all that stuff so if you're interested in
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 9: just having a conversation and you know open things up
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 9: i ask a lot of wild questions i make a
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 9: lot of wild statements and uh i'm just glad that
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 9: uh my boys uh deal with me you know of
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 9: course i'm not i'm not in hod's words i'm not easy.
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 5: And I'm just going to add for you guys to
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 5: help you out. Just, you guys are also culture carriers too.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 5: So that's why we fuck with y'all. Just like on
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 5: Fall Nerds, how we cover media, you know, we cover fandom,
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 5: all this other stuff.
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 6: You guys also cover the culture.
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 5: And by having us on and by like continuing to
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 5: just multiply, amplify voices, black voices, right? In this space,
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 5: like y'all really doing the thing, right? I see the
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 5: little award in Dame's wall.
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 2: Congratulations.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 4: Working on that.
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 5: So, you know, definitely appreciate that you guys came through today.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Appreciate it. We loved meeting y'all and we
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: had a lot of fun. You know what I'm saying?
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: We did not cheat.
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 2: Never cheated.
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 3: It was kind of like when the Lakers played Sacramento
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 3: Kings in that finals. We wanted to see the Lakers
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 3: keep going, but you know, sure.
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 8: Right after we beat you guys, they went on to
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 8: lose like five out of.
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 4: The next six.
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the latest one. We just went positive. We
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 2: just went positive.
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 3: So bell to ass is not quite the term here.
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no. I don't think so.
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 9: You know, we're just lining things up. We have a
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 9: lot of plans for 2027 and things we want to
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 9: do with that to make the show evolve and introducing
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 9: new segments soon, too. And, you know, when we start
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 9: doing live shows and shit like that, maybe I can
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 9: get y'all to look back.
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 2: Maybe not.
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 9: And maybe I could bring some help. Maybe Portia could
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 9: pop out. You know what I'm saying?
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 3: Maybe I need that extra, I need that extra, you know,
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 3: that lift.
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 6: Remember you said this shit.
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: I'm always going to remember this. I'm always going to
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: remember it. You feel me?
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 9: I'm always going to remember it. Well, but yeah, thank
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 9: y'all for inviting us back on.
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 2: Of course. Thank you so much.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 9: We really, like, we're excited to talk to y'all about
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 9: this because we're like, y'all are the ones carrying this.
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: All this stuff.
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 9: Y'all are the coolest blurs that I know.
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 6: Thank you.
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: Definitely. Like I said, I'm sorry for my underwhelming background.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 8: You're very in-theme, T. Don't let their words get to you.
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 8: Thank you. Thank you for carrying the conversation amongst Black people,
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 8: especially throughout this entire season. I definitely followed up with
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 8: you guys after every single episode just to see, just
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 8: to get a different idea, different perspective on, or maybe
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 8: to even... confirm some of the things that I may
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 8: have been thinking. So thank you for that. And I
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 8: hope and know you guys are going to continue to
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 8: do the same things. We wish you not, wish you
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 8: guys nothing but success.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: Thank you, man. Y'all comment section need to chill out
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 2: on y'all sometimes. Oh, we love it.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 3: We love it.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 4: Bring it.
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 3: And on that note about carrying on, we will all
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 3: be carrying on this weekend at New York Comic Con
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 3: and Artist Alley. D43, find the whole For All Nerds team.
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 3: We are down there in Stephen Harris. Shout out to
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 3: my brother. We'll be sharing a table with him. It
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 3: should be a For All Nerds extravaganza. We'll be signing
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 3: copies of Jimi Hendrix, Purple Haze.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 2: We'll have merch for sale.
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got to make sure y'all get one of
• 2:19:43
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• 2:19:44
  Speaker 8: I got my little comic collection growing now, so I
• 2:19:47
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• 2:19:48
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• 2:19:49
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• 2:19:51
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• 2:19:53
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• 2:20:00
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• 2:20:02
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