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Patriots Unfiltered 7/27: Training Camp Day 2 Live Show, Offense Makes Progress · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: All right, all right, welcome today too of Patriots Training Camp.
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  Speaker 1: This is a special edition of Patriots Unfiltered. I'm joined
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  Speaker 1: by Paul Pirillo, Mike do so Soon, Evan Lazarre, and
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  Speaker 1: we are high above the Patriots practice fields at Jillette Stadium.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be here for the duration of practice, us to
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  Speaker 1: give you everything that we see in here for your enjoyment.
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  Speaker 1: And it was a great day one I thought, in
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  Speaker 1: terms of just participation, energy, crowd, weather, I mean, everything
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  Speaker 1: was ideal for that first day.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't want to I don't know if
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  Speaker 5: I'm hyping up too much. But I don't remember the
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  Speaker 5: crowd being that loud. I mean, I think the reporter
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  Speaker 5: was what over six thousand people were here, especially after
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  Speaker 5: practice was over. Kendrick Bourne, Juju Smith Schuster hyping the
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  Speaker 5: crowd up, having kind of screaming contest. It was just
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  Speaker 5: really cool to see that first day energy brought by
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  Speaker 5: the fans.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the crowd looks pretty good. There's still trickling in.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking down the spine where all the activations are,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the games and everything. There's a big crowd
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  Speaker 1: down there. There's already a big crowd on the hill
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  Speaker 1: in the stand. So it should be a similar day.
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  Speaker 5: I think. So we'll see maybe a little bit more competition.
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  Speaker 5: I think we saw more probably more red zone of course,
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  Speaker 5: right Paul, we know we'll probably be back in there.
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  Speaker 5: And there were some quasi competitive periods, as competitive as
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  Speaker 5: you can get with with helmets and and shells at
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  Speaker 5: this point. But you know, a couple guys to highlight
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  Speaker 5: I think from yesterday Kyle Duggart coming down with the
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  Speaker 5: first interception on the first play down there, so that
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  Speaker 5: was a nice start for him, as you know, entering
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  Speaker 5: a contract year. But Mac at that. You know, I
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  Speaker 5: thought the offense was okay. They bounced back a couple
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  Speaker 5: of touchdowns for Hunter Henry time Montgomery was really productive.
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  Speaker 5: You just don't want to overreact to, you know, who
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  Speaker 5: won the day or anything like that. It seems kind
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  Speaker 5: of ridiculous. There was you know, maybe twelve total reps
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  Speaker 5: for the first teams down there. So we'll see tomorrow
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  Speaker 5: today if they build on it. I guess we're kind
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  Speaker 5: of watching the weather too. Here is a yeah, windy,
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  Speaker 5: little humid.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of a weird day. Was supposed to be hot,
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  Speaker 1: but there's it's overcast, so that's keeping the sun in
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  Speaker 1: and the temperature down. But there is a pretty steady
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  Speaker 1: wind going on. So you know, that's not going to
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  Speaker 1: affect much today except maybe the kicking when they get
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  Speaker 1: to that.
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  Speaker 6: But maybe a little bit of our broadcast, But yes
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  Speaker 6: about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah you might hear some the tent flapping in the background.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, good for the players that you have
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  Speaker 1: that overcast because the temperature was supposed to be like
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  Speaker 1: to ninety.
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  Speaker 6: It's gonna be and the cloud cover is gonna give way.
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  Speaker 6: And I think you're right, Friday, I think the players
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  Speaker 6: are going to luck out a little bit and get
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  Speaker 6: most of their work done before that happens, because it
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  Speaker 6: is supposed to be a scorch. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's supposed to be a scorch.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's right now it's probably close to eighty
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  Speaker 1: degrees without the sun, so.
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  Speaker 6: Even with that breeze.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's going to get up there. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: good start for the players. The other thing, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to note yesterday I mentioned it at the top was
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  Speaker 1: just you know, everybody coming in for the most part healthy.
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember that.
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  Speaker 6: Three guys that weren't seen and they're all on lists.
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  Speaker 6: So and you know, I think that's a good start
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  Speaker 6: to be that that healthy at the start.
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  Speaker 1: I don't I don't think I remember a camp that
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  Speaker 1: from the get go, all the name play, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the notable players, there wasn't one that was you know,
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  Speaker 1: on a list or not here.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think, I mean maybe Michael when
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  Speaker 6: you would like a word.
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  Speaker 5: With yeah, that's true, but but but still, I mean
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  Speaker 5: we kind of expected that. Suffering an injury towards the
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  Speaker 5: end of last season in the last game ankle surgery,
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  Speaker 5: you know, still recovering, I don't know we haven't really
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  Speaker 5: gotten any reports of what his prognosis was. You know,
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  Speaker 5: Bill Murray was was there with the with the top line,
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  Speaker 5: take it for what it's worth. I think you always
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  Speaker 5: have an element of Bill Belichick wanting to insert a
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  Speaker 5: veteran into these early days of camp, somebody who knows
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  Speaker 5: what they're doing, and not just you know, hand something
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  Speaker 5: to one of those rookies. But there are three rookies
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  Speaker 5: that they drafted this year and on that day too,
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  Speaker 5: that you know, all could probably play right guard. I think,
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  Speaker 5: you know, Mafi maybe being the favorite to kind of
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  Speaker 5: get a look there. And then we talked about Jake
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  Speaker 5: Andrews maybe being more of an inside center type. But
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  Speaker 5: Citisal Antonio, Mafi, those two guys, you know they could
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  Speaker 5: be in the mix if on when you wasn't back soon,
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  Speaker 5: and you know Murray isn't able to kind of hold
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  Speaker 5: up at this new position.
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  Speaker 6: Can I give a go ahead? Not really all that
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  Speaker 6: relevant either here or there. But did I learn yesterday
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  Speaker 6: and Mafi his name is Tony in there? There's no
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  Speaker 6: in and there I learned. I learned that yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: We just saw Christian Gonzales enter the field. He right
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  Speaker 1: away first first team reps.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think that that was one of
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  Speaker 6: the things that we were going to look for before
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  Speaker 6: practice yesterday, was where Jack Jones sort of situated, at
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  Speaker 6: least for one day. It looked like they were sort
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  Speaker 6: of putting him on the backgrunner a little bit, perhaps
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  Speaker 6: in preparation of, you know, the the uncertainty right surrounding
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  Speaker 6: his availability going forward. So yeah, it was definitely Christian
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  Speaker 6: Gonzales with Jonathan Jones.
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  Speaker 1: Day one, Trent Brown entering the field.
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  Speaker 5: Big Trent Brown, who reported early.
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  Speaker 6: Trent Brown had some good things to say about Billy O'Brien.
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  Speaker 6: He sure did I tell you that.
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  Speaker 5: He sure did. Seems like a big fan. And you know,
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  Speaker 5: I like they said, well why did you report early?
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  Speaker 5: I think saying, oh, you know, are you ready to
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  Speaker 5: tell me? I do what I'm told.
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  Speaker 6: So I did what I was told. I guess they
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  Speaker 6: got big trends. But from there I thought his talk
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  Speaker 6: got much better.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I will say, yeah, No, I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 5: everybody's kind of got him, I don't want to say
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  Speaker 5: in their cross hairs, but he's you know, he's a
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  Speaker 5: storyline this year. He's a huge piece. I mean, I
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  Speaker 5: don't know how you guys felt yesterday, but I mean
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  Speaker 5: Riley Reef, it feels a little tenuous there at right tackle.
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  Speaker 5: I really got to hope that one of these other
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  Speaker 5: guys can step up. I don't I mean Connor McDermott
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  Speaker 5: I mentioned City saw maybe he has some right tackle.
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  Speaker 5: Andrew Stuber, second year guy who played right tackle at Michigan,
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  Speaker 5: didn't play it all last year due to injury.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you think Reef over McDermott right from the
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  Speaker 1: get go, Well, they kind of flopped a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: I mean it's I mean, Reef was probably has had
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  Speaker 5: the better career. I mean, he's been in the league forever.
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  Speaker 5: Definitely on the back side of it though, and you
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  Speaker 5: know McDermott Patriots had interest in him when he came out.
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  Speaker 5: He's kind of been kicking around practice squad, so it's,
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  Speaker 5: you know, it's kind of one of those guy who
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  Speaker 5: maybe is doesn't quite have that ceiling versus guy who
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  Speaker 5: maybe had the ceiling a while ago but now is
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  Speaker 5: on the back end. So I mean, I think the
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  Speaker 5: best thing for this team would be if one of
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  Speaker 5: these young guys, you know, were to make a push
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  Speaker 5: for that, whether it's saw whether it's Stuber, whether you know,
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  Speaker 5: McDermott does find a new level of play that he's
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  Speaker 5: able to kind of build off of. But I know
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  Speaker 5: at the end of OTA as we saw kind of
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  Speaker 5: a more thing.
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  Speaker 6: Reef started out.
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  Speaker 5: At the right tackle spot, and later in the sessions
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  Speaker 5: you were seeing McDermott get in there, So I think
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  Speaker 5: it's an open competition there. But again, to bring it
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  Speaker 5: back to Trent Brown, it all starts with him locking
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  Speaker 5: down that left side, and so I think that that's
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  Speaker 5: just such a such a huge key as Evan's been
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  Speaker 5: pointing out the differences in max passer rating when he's
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  Speaker 5: protected and has time, he's a good quarterback. So it's
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  Speaker 5: a key piece. And I think yesterday we saw josh Ucha,
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  Speaker 5: Anthony Jennings, a couple guys making some moves into the
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  Speaker 5: backfield pretty quick. So I just think that right tackle
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  Speaker 5: spot remains a glaring one to watch. And especially now
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  Speaker 5: as we're watching Judeon put his jersey on, I'm not
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  Speaker 5: sure he didn't really participate yesterday. What's going on there?
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  Speaker 5: Is he rehabbing, We'll see what he participates into that.
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  Speaker 1: Evan Lazarre has joining us. Evan any opening thoughts.
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  Speaker 7: I doesn't sound drunk today, that's good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a lot of emails that was not Evan,
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  Speaker 1: that was something going on with his audience.
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  Speaker 6: His first day at.
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  Speaker 5: Camp, he was out there boozing eyes and here you
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  Speaker 5: guys continue.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but fatday night, sounding sober. Yes, Any opening thoughts
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  Speaker 1: for you.
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  Speaker 7: I'm sure you guys already what kind of talked about it.
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  Speaker 7: But I just think the main thing for me is
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  Speaker 7: there's a little juice here. Yesterday with this team really
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  Speaker 7: good attendance. Doesn't seem like anybody failed the conditioning test
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  Speaker 7: or failed their physicals other than the guys that we
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  Speaker 7: pretty much already knew were going to start camp healthy
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  Speaker 7: like a Mike on Winnu. So overall, it kind of
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  Speaker 7: reminds me of two years ago when they had the
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  Speaker 7: spreading spree and they draft Mac Jones in the first round,
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  Speaker 7: and you come back to camp with a little bit
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  Speaker 7: of juice, and maybe it's Bill O'Brien. I think that's
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  Speaker 7: a big part of it. I think there are some
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  Speaker 7: guys like Juju and Kasiki who give this team some
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  Speaker 7: optimism on the offensive side of the ball. But dude,
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  Speaker 7: you were just talking about the right tackle situation. And
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  Speaker 7: the thing that I come back to is I think
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  Speaker 7: their weapons are good enough for them to be okay
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  Speaker 7: or at least twenty twenty one level on offense. The
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  Speaker 7: offensive line is going to be the make or break
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  Speaker 7: for this offense. I really feel that way, and you
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  Speaker 7: just look at it on paper and the tackle spot
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  Speaker 7: is still a major concern to me, and there's ways
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  Speaker 7: to work around it obviously, like anything, but I think
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  Speaker 7: this team is going to go as their offensive line goes,
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  Speaker 7: and if they can block and they can protect Mac
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  Speaker 7: and give him time back there, then they'll score some points.
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  Speaker 7: But if they can't, then then I think that this
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  Speaker 7: could be a house of cards with the lines.
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  Speaker 1: Well. As you see the guys are warming up right
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  Speaker 1: now doing their stretching. While they're doing that, I think
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  Speaker 1: we should talk a little bit about what was said yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Matt Growe had his press conference after practice, and I
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  Speaker 1: thought he said some interesting things, one regarding the situation
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  Speaker 1: with Hopkins trying to get him and also his own
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  Speaker 1: role with the team. You know, he came right out
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  Speaker 1: and said that about the salary cap and Hopkins that
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  Speaker 1: that wasn't a factor. You can pretty much do what
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  Speaker 1: you want. With the sou recap, you just have to
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  Speaker 1: get creative and you can do what you want. So
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  Speaker 1: that wasn't it. That wasn't it. So it tells me
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  Speaker 1: that they had a number in mind that he was
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  Speaker 1: worth or they were willing to pay for him, and
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  Speaker 1: they weren't gonna budge over that.
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  Speaker 5: I think we got to frame that quote and put
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  Speaker 5: it like in the pu studio, so Paul can just
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  Speaker 5: point to it, like you know when we start talking, cap.
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  Speaker 6: Paul just silently. I just want a little I just
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  Speaker 6: want a little thing. I'm not gonna ask for anything.
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  Speaker 6: I don't ask for much, Okay, I just want a
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  Speaker 6: little credit for not yet saying that ten minutes into
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  Speaker 6: our show.
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  Speaker 5: If you had you were champing at the bit where
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  Speaker 5: I did it for you.
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  Speaker 6: No, I was gonna let it go.
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  Speaker 1: I did it for you.
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  Speaker 6: I think it's such a non factor that I didn't
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  Speaker 6: really even think that was all that noteworthy yesterday. And
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  Speaker 6: I'm being dead serious.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah we're already passed that here.
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  Speaker 1: But but it does confirm that that had nothing to
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  Speaker 1: do with the Hopkins decision. No money does, money does,
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  Speaker 1: and in what they think of the player does that's The.
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  Speaker 7: Part that's frustrating to me is that we have we
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  Speaker 7: were getting mixed messages now because we have the owner
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  Speaker 7: telling us that money will never be a problem. And
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  Speaker 7: I believe them. I don't think that they're ever gonna,
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  Speaker 7: you know, say, a bill's going to go to mister
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  Speaker 7: Kraft and mister Craft's gonna say no, no, we're We're
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  Speaker 7: not you know, we're not gonna do that. Okay. So
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  Speaker 7: if it's not the cap and it's not cash, then
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  Speaker 7: it's the evaluation the player exactly, and maybe they end
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  Speaker 7: up being correct in the long run that Hopkins wasn't
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  Speaker 7: worth what the Titans paid him. But Ben Vollen tweeted
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  Speaker 7: out the contract structure this morning, and it's essentially a
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  Speaker 7: one year deal for Hopkins in Tennessee. It's non guaranteed
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  Speaker 7: in the second year of the deal. It's a one year,
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  Speaker 7: fifteen million dollar contract. And I just don't know if,
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  Speaker 7: like we'll see who's right, you know, it just it
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  Speaker 7: just feels like why is football, you know, why is
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  Speaker 7: the player personnel department not? Where is the disconnect in
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  Speaker 7: the assessment?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it could be you know, like we talked about before. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's just say that even the pay. Let's say the
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  Speaker 1: Patriots match that deal and they were willing to give
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  Speaker 1: him fifteen million dollars this year, Maybe in Bill's mind,
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  Speaker 1: he's not the player enough to disrupt the economic order
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  Speaker 1: of my locker room to give him that money.
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  Speaker 6: If that's true, it worries me more than anything else,
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  Speaker 6: because if he doesn't determine that DeAndre Hopkins is that
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  Speaker 6: much better than anybody he has. I worry about his
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  Speaker 6: evaluation of that position, which has been an ongoing concern
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  Speaker 6: for people. I mean, and I just don't get it.
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  Speaker 1: And to me, that's what it comes down to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, like evn said,
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  Speaker 1: it came down to the evaluation of the player personally,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's worth paying him, you know. No, I know,
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  Speaker 1: we're all going it, you know, but they don't agree.
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  Speaker 7: Paul's spot on what he just said is that at
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  Speaker 7: some point is can we criticize them for their evaluation
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  Speaker 7: of wide receivers and the value of wide receivers because
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  Speaker 7: one year, fifteen million dollars for DeAndre Hopkins is not
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  Speaker 7: a bad deal, and we're two offseasons removed from them
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  Speaker 7: paying Nelson Agalore, you know, two years, twenty six million,
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  Speaker 7: So you really couldn't have you know, you can't give
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  Speaker 7: two million dollars more to a much better player, you know.
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  Speaker 7: It just that's the part that that frustrates me and
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  Speaker 7: I you know, this morning, Jeremy Fowler is reporting that
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  Speaker 7: after he goes to the Jets, Dalvin Cook is coming
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  Speaker 7: here for a visit with the Patriots. And I don't know,
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  Speaker 7: Dalvin Cook's not what I would have done. I would
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  Speaker 7: have given the money to Hopkins, but he's definitely somebody
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  Speaker 7: that is a skilled player, that's an explosive guy that
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  Speaker 7: can help the team move the ball on offense. And
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  Speaker 7: is it going to be the same thing? Is the
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  Speaker 7: Jets offer going to be all base value and the
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  Speaker 7: Patriots are going to be all incentives and he's gonna
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  Speaker 7: end up going to division rival because of a better
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  Speaker 7: contract offer, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: That I saw that report going to the Jets, and
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  Speaker 5: I mean that's it just it raises the ante a
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  Speaker 5: little bit when you know that they're potentially in the
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  Speaker 5: hunt for him, you know, bringing back their running back
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  Speaker 5: from last year, Breest Hall, who was you know, off
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  Speaker 5: to a white hot start. I know there's been some
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  Speaker 5: reports that he's you know, still kind of working his
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  Speaker 5: way back in. So it's it's it seems like they
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  Speaker 5: need a player in the backfield kind of compliment.
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  Speaker 1: See the other thing GroE mentioned yesterday that kind of
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  Speaker 1: in passing, they were talking about money spent, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Patriots being in the lower end of the league and
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  Speaker 1: cash spent, and you know, Gross said, you know, I've
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  Speaker 1: only been involved in the spending of money for the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of years. I thought that was interesting, like
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  Speaker 1: that he's making money decisions, you know.
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  Speaker 6: And then I thought it was interesting when Bill was
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  Speaker 6: sort of asked about his role today. It was kind
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  Speaker 6: of a different type of answer because I do I
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  Speaker 6: agree with you, Freddy. I thought that was interesting the
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  Speaker 6: way he phrased that yesterday. And then Bill was like,
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  Speaker 6: you know, he's been really helpful, you know, when there
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  Speaker 6: are things to do, you know, he's been able to
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  Speaker 6: help me out. And he actually kind of caught himself.
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  Speaker 6: He's like, when there's not really a lot going on,
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  Speaker 6: he hasn't that anything, you know, like you know, he
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  Speaker 6: has other things to do, but like, yeah, I just wonder.
• 14:59
  Speaker 6: I mean, like, to me, I'm with Evan on this.
• 15:01
  Speaker 6: This is like DeAndre Hopkins specifically, that's a Bill decision
• 15:06
  Speaker 6: whether or not he wants to go to Robert Craft
• 15:08
  Speaker 6: to find out if we're going to be able to
• 15:09
  Speaker 6: have the money to get him. Right, Like, I find
• 15:11
  Speaker 6: it hard to believe that Macro says yes, Bill Belichick
• 15:14
  Speaker 6: says no, and you end up signing the guy, well
• 15:16
  Speaker 6: vice versa. Yeah, Like, I think it comes down to Bill.
• 15:19
  Speaker 6: But yeah, I think Macro was in that role. And
• 15:22
  Speaker 6: I think there's some things that he said yesterday that
• 15:26
  Speaker 6: I thought were curious about, you know, the guys that
• 15:29
  Speaker 6: are serious about football and whatnot. Like I thought it
• 15:33
  Speaker 6: was kind of disrespectful to guys that maybe I think
• 15:36
  Speaker 6: if you were DeAndre Hopkins from AFAR, you could read
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: a quote like that and like is he suggested that
• 15:42
  Speaker 6: I'm not serious about football because I signed somewhere else, right, Like,
• 15:46
  Speaker 6: you know, I thought that was kind of a curious
• 15:48
  Speaker 6: And he.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: Went into the whole thing if you, if you really
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: love football, this is this is this.
• 15:52
  Speaker 6: Is the place for you, if you if you're really
• 15:54
  Speaker 6: into football and hard work and you know, and then
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: he sort of talked about if you were outside of
• 15:59
  Speaker 6: the place, how hard it would because you'd be institutionalized,
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: and he went all, well, yeah, you know, talking about
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: the Brooks how he was institutionalized. So I just thought
• 16:08
  Speaker 6: that was a little curious.
• 16:09
  Speaker 7: But I'm worried that he's being sha shanged, Yeah, because
• 16:13
  Speaker 7: he just he tells us things that are different than
• 16:15
  Speaker 7: what the team does, and that tells me that that
• 16:18
  Speaker 7: bill is overriding.
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: And I wonder, I wonder if this Dalvin Cook thing
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: Evan is a little something along those lines.
• 16:24
  Speaker 7: He said in later on, somebody asked him about a
• 16:27
  Speaker 7: number one wide receiver, like what that means to them,
• 16:29
  Speaker 7: and he said, it's a player that can get open
• 16:32
  Speaker 7: on their own that we don't need to scheme them open.
• 16:34
  Speaker 7: We don't need to, you know, formationally get him open.
• 16:37
  Speaker 7: He just gets open on his own. And then you know,
• 16:40
  Speaker 7: he he sees the value in it, like you can
• 16:42
  Speaker 7: tell by the answers that he gives that he sees
• 16:45
  Speaker 7: the value in receivers nowadays, but then their their actual
• 16:48
  Speaker 7: actions don't back up that they value it.
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: So well, guys, real quick, I think I got everybody, Uh,
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: yesterday seem as yesterday would just be Michael and when
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: you Calvin Anderson and Cody Davis not president and I
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: know DeMarcus Mitchell is here, but I don't believe he
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: participated yesterday.
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: So yeah, I think he's in the same kind of strait,
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: but he's in uniform to me, so like that that counts, Yeah,
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: that counts. I'm going to watch Matthew Judon. I wanted
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: to bring see this is the something yesterday and it
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: was showing right now. Moses Cabrera takes the skilled guys,
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: he gets them together and they then they break off
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: and do some work with with I think some maybe
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: it looks like they're gonna be a little different today
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: with a bunch of cones and small hurdles set up
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: while the linemen sort of just continue their warm up routine.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think like it was a little different.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Moses might kind of brief them on here's what I'm
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: going to be looking for you guys to do today
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: in this one session, here's how we do it, this
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: is what we're looking for, and then they go and
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: But I wanted to bring up Judaan to see if
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: you guys, you know, is there any concern for anybody?
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: Do you think this is about anything like it? Could
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: it possibly be anything that.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: Non injury related that maybe he's looking to see if
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: he can get in you know, an extension or something
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: like that.
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: I think he's like holding in.
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: No, I don't, I don't. I'm just I'm speaking, you know,
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: sort of thinking out loud.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, mean, just from his body language, he seems in
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: like really good mood and everything like that.
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: So if see I'm judging by the slotty language that
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: he looks pretty healthy.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: To me, it's like running around, running around, but if
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: there's something bothering it, it's not showing. Yeah, you know.
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: Tekwon Thornton running this drill, it's like he's going mock too.
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: That's a good question for Paul. I think it's something
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: to watch it. Do we see him depart? Uh again today?
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: I kind of oh, there he goes. He's running there,
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: he's running through the running through the drills. Good.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with his legs.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: I think he's I think he I mean, I know
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: what's wrong with his wallet.
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: You always hesitate to make the training evaluation, you know,
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: based on appearances, because I've seen guys look like they
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: would have no chance to play and then play fine
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: on Sunday, and then the opposite guys look fine and
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: they end up being scratched. So I'm not telling you
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: that he's not hurt. But he's moving around really well.
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: He looks to in great spirits.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: Right, So I don't know, it's not what happens when
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: team drills happened if he's involved.
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: I just wonder what Judan and this sort of happened
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: with Devin mccordy later on as well. I don't know
• 19:12
  Speaker 7: that I'll see you against the Eagles, Matthe yeah, like, yeah,
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: I just well, I understand that he's got to get
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: in football shape and the and those reps are important
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: for that respect, but I don't really think Matthew Judon
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: needs to come out here and be going in the
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: tilt on day two of training camp.
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: Right, No, but but but no one's going full tilt
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: like he's not doing anything.
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I hear you.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: But I think what is he missing by taking a
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: few days off.
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: I'm not suggesting he's missing anything, but he's the only
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: one that's that's in that situation. I think I could
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: name a dozen guys that don't necessarily need every every
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: sharp rep right now, we prepare.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, next week could have a day off, But talking.
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: About a thirty year old guy though he played a
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: lot of football last couple of years.
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: Like hugely important to the wonder.
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: Okay, so so now that now that to me is
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: a little different the way I haven't just phrased him.
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: I think that's a good point. It's a guy who
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: really tailed off in the second half of both seies
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: as the you know, as a patriot. Maybe he's on
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: a different program that that would make sense, that would
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: be one reason why you might want to treat him differently. Yeah,
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: but he didn't do much on the scring either, which
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: is why it sort of had my intent.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Lawrence guy, what was his participation?
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 20:25
  Speaker 8: No?
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: No, no change ones.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's it's it's pretty much the defensive
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: front from last year. I mean, that's exactly what they're
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: they're running with, you know him.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: So does that say that either he's kind of giving
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: up on his quest for for money or they did
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: something quiet, they did something.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: I think they did some little to give him.
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: That's not that's not an inside information.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: They signed him up for the Jelly of the Month
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: club and.
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: Nice, nice reference.
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: That's that's good.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: But when somebody report that, should somebody report that at
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: some point though that.
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: Like two weeks.
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess field Yates will.
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: I was waiting for the for that tweet, you know,
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: for all the Patriots, you know, moved some money up
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: for this year to give him a little a little
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: something for the effort, you know.
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: For mac Jones, that's possible. I think that's certainly possible.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones also spoke after practice yesterday and a lot
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: of the same things we heard in the spring, fresh start,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: trust rust players, his teammates.
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: I thought he was I thought he was a little
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: better yesterday. I know Mike and I were talking about
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: my shows. Yeah, and my shows picked at some of
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: the things they put in like they always do. But
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: excuse me, I could not hold that sneeze back. I apologize,
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: And you do have.
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: A sniper got you there.
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: Well, we were a little too far forward, too far
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: gone the forehead. But I did think that they were
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: picking at some of the things he said, and I
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: thought a little bit unfairly. I thought he sort of
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: expressed some of the things now they were definitely it
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: was one or two things like you had one about
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: the He was asked about Belichick is helping.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: Well, he mentioned, I mean and I'm not gonna lie.
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: I did clock it. When you know, Mack was asked
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: about about Bill because there was a moment yesterday and
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: we talked about it on the air when you know,
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: after an incomplete pass, Bill went over to him and
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: was talking to him for a second, and you know,
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: and when Mac was asked after practice, he instantly kind
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: of went, oh, Bill's great at you know, telling me
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: what the defense is trying to do.
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: So it's like, oh, that's interesting. But you know, the
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: thing to me was that I think we all agreed
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: when we saw the interaction. It seemed specifically like Bill
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: Belichick was showing him about ball placement, not so much
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: telling him, hey, you know, the defender is going to
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: drop into that zone and throw it there, that kind
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: of thing. So I don't know, it's always it's always
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: fun with Felgrims. And then I always you know, imagine
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: if Paul was on, because that was a moment that
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: we clearly saw together and and you know, I think
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: that's when you know, Paul has those good moments where
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: he kind of keeps those guys uh from going completely
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: off the rails with some of that stuff.
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think they were picking at like his phraseology.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: If I think it goes Mac a little. Well, he
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: looks good, and he was he looks good.
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: He wasn't the only one that talked about I think
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: he was talking about you know, And I think that's
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: kind of a crutch of how he gets into a
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: lot of his answers. Well, you know, I think you know,
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: we're working hard. Yeah, it's not I think we're working hard.
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: It's you know, you know, I think we're working hard,
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: and I think we have the tools to be you know, like,
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: I think it's more of a definitive than the way
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: they would try to make some of the things out.
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: I don't think we have a good relationship. No, I
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: think we have a good relationship.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: I'm forgetting what the word is, and I know I'm
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: bad at with it sometimes. But you have like those
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: crutch things that you kind of say when you're responding
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: to questions, and he always does the uh yeah.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's just how he talks. I know
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: I have something I try not to do him on
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: the radio after so many people email me about my
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: likes and you knows, but you know, what are you
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: gonna do?
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah? But I thought Mac and you know, I thought
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: he sounded, you know, pretty comfortable. Yesterday. I thought he
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: when he was talking, I thought, you know, sometimes we
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: sort of tease him for being, you know, a little goofy. Yeah,
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: I thought he sort of was recognizing when he was
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: a little goofy. Yesterday he was chuckling at himself and
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: having fun with it. So yeah, I mean, I thought
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: he looks comfortable. I had no issues at all with
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: his press briefing yesterday. I thought it was a good,
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: solid start. And I think that the words that he
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: continues to use, I think are accurate. I think they
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: do have to sort of start fresh and develop a
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: level of trust with one another.
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the big thing for that he always
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: one of the cliches he always says is that he's
• 24:24
  Speaker 7: going to run his race and hopefully everybody will run
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: behind him. And that's something that I think is really
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: important for this team right now, is that the quarterback
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: has to be the leader of the team. It can't
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: when he's a rookie in his first year in twenty
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: twenty one. Obviously, the veteran guys are going to be
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: the leaders of the team that aren't the quarterback, Devin
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: and Andrews and all those guys. Those guys are going
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: to but now it's year three, we're talking about a
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: team that doesn't have as many of those vet you know,
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: Devin mccordy's anymore. This team is going to go as
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: far as mac Jones takes them. And I think that
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: it's more than just him playing well, so needs to
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: walk it as well and act that way. And I
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: think the big thing that he mentioned was that all
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: of his teammates, the other ten guys on the field,
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: have to believe in him that he's going to make
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: the plays, that he's going to make the right throws
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: and the reads and all that kind of stuff. So
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: I like that he thinks that way. I like that
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: he that's that's how a franchise quarterback should think. Now
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: he just has to go out there and actually do it.
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: It's one thing to say it, and you got to
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: actually do it.
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: And it's and it's you know, kind of superficial stuff.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: But he's still given everything he has in the sprints
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: at the end of practice, he's all, you know, is
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: right at the front of the line today when they
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: went to this drill that you know, we're watching now
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: right to the front of the line. So you know,
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: there's been growing pains with Max, certainly over the first
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: couple of years. But I just I find it hard
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: to ask him to do more than you know, what
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: he's done as far as hard work, as far as
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: jumping into line, is bringing energy every day he puts
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: the work, those things that you can't really criticize him for.
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: And you know, now it's it's it's kind of what
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: I said two years ago. It's maybe in the middle
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: of his rookie year. It's here's a kid who does
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: everything the right way as far as preparation. He seems engaged. Uh,
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: it's but can he can he do it? Can he
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: do it? Can he get to that level? And and
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: he's he's facing a league and a division right now.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: That is as hard as it has ever been in
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: my memory. You know, back to the days of Dan
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: Marino and Jim Kelly being in the division against the Patriots,
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: and you know, you're trying to find your guy to compete,
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: which we finally got with you know, Paul's guy, Drew
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: Bledsoe at the end of their tenures with with Marino
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: and and and Marino down there and and Kelly and Buffalo.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: So he will see the walk. He's up against it,
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: but he's doing everything right.
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: We'll see what happened. Yeah, you know, he walks the
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: walk on and off the field. And I think that's
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: why separate. You know, look, you have to be objective
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: in what in what you see. But that's why I
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: kind of pull for him because I think he really
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: does do all the little things that you want your
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: quarterback to do. We can here you know, on the
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: practice field, but also away from the facility or at
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: the facility in the I mean he was here all
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: off season, all off seat in working and working out
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: and throwing in the in the in the bubble and
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: like all that kind of stuff. So you just that
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: makes you want while I'm to succeed, it does, so.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: I can I just bring up the I mean these drills.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: It's always interesting to me. You know, they didn't do
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: these drills last year, Like you know, where do they
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: find these drills?
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Like which one are you talking?
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: Just like specifically the one they started with where it's
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: you have the little fluorescent yellow cones right, you know,
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: every couple of yards and they were just you know,
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: kind of doing sprints over them. It's I mean, I
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: know that exercise science is such an evolving field, and
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: you know, the things that guys are doing today, you know,
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: in no way represent what was going on maybe even
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: ten years ago. But yeah, it's just interesting how you know,
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: like a lot of running. It feels like to me
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: early in camp, and I mean, is it Bill said
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: this morning? It's a continuation of OTAs, But it's always interesting,
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: like oh, we're gonna do little practice tweaks and then
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: you know this is something that they resurrect.
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: I'm just curious and this little slalom kind of course
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: that they have set up here too, like and I'm
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: just wondering why. And they have like these little poles
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: that that would be like almost like the slalom gates
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: and skiing. They start and they zigzag down the field
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: you know, for another you know, fifty yards, and I'm
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: just wondering why they can't cones down. I wonder if
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: this no I'm being like you're talking about like they
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: want they want back. There must be a reason why
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: they want something a little higher off.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: The ground, that's right. They want to keep their feet
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: up up a.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: Little maybe trying to bend the corner a little bit,
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: yeah around right.
• 28:22
  Speaker 7: I mean, you know, maybe for like a receiver corner
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: guy on special teams, but how often are you running
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: in a straight line on a football field.
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: Oh no, I'm not asking why the zig zagging. I'm
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: asking why they couldn't just put cones down on the ground.
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: They obviously want something a little higher that they're bending around.
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: Well, I think you see some of the guys kind
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: of dipping their shoulder.
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: Maybe it's to keep their feet under them so they
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: don't lose their footing, you know, like in the Super
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: Bowl everybody was falling. Yeah, no, I'm being serious.
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: It's interesting it won man.
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: You know, we've always talked about the Hills, right, and
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: the Hills being the vaunted Hills, being this conditioning thing
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: the Patriots do. But they've been doing this and I
• 28:58
  Speaker 7: don't think we've seen them go down to the hills
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: yet in the spring or yesterday.
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: They haven't done They haven't done a ton of hill.
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: They certainly didn't do it yesterday.
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: So I do wonder if maybe this is a new
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: Moses Cabrera and his staff saying that this is a
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: little bit of a of a different approach than than
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: the traditional hill running that they usually do.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: Is that a Ronnie Perkins lap there, Paul, I'm not sure,
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: but it seems like he might have. Yeah, might have
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: taken a lap, perhaps, assuming that is him, I think
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: that's it.
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: But I think he's running to a different group.
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he's running back to where the defensive linemen are
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: working on.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Yates of Hell.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: That Ronnie Perkins. I love that.
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: Yates of Hell's not bad.
• 29:37
  Speaker 9: I'm not bad.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: I think that's a plus. I think it's a plus.
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: I like it.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: I just think it's so hard to tell Ronnie Perkins
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: and key on white apart.
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: And I'm telling you Ronnie Perkins generally has something white
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: underneath this. He's always going to practice Jersey.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Did you guys mention the owners out here?
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: I don't think we did, but he is.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: I wrote it down in my notebook out you.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: Know, I thought was a little interesting tidbit about from
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: Bill this morning and not as red hoodie, Paul, And
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: you think I'm gonna know.
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: You were very upset.
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: There was a lot of conversation.
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: I just give it before you give your before you
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: give your synopsis of it. I just want to let
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: everybody know that Mike had had had literally about thirty
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: seconds prior to Bill coming out, explain to me how
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: he's sort of cutting back a little bit on the tweeting,
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: you know, just feels like it's been a little bit.
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: There's one thing he's something that's really important. And then
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: all of a sudden, Bill comes out wearing a red
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: hoodie and man that I'm back on a tweet. Baby,
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: come out faster than.
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: I had a base update, must must. I don't track
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: the practices, but for you like twitching that he was well,
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: I mean, in fairness, even he's three and three all
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: time in red hoodies. But ohen one with the sleeve cut.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: I think we all know. I don't know if you
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: were born yet, but but they lost that one. But no,
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: what I was gonna say was about Hunter Henry, and
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: I just I thought, uh, I thought Bill had, like
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: you know, really leagues. As far as Bill goes glowing praise,
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: I guess just for his offseason here every day, you know,
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: improving two touchdowns yesterday in the red zone. I just
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: think as much as we you know, are curious and
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: excited about Kasiki, I think you might really just see
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: a resurrection of the red zone offense, largely on Hunter
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: Henry and what he's able to do down there. You know, again,
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: a guy that he's been pretty healthy since he's been here.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: I mean, he's he had the injury concerns a lot
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: early in his career, but he's you know, he's been
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: pretty reliable. So I think he's a he's a key guy. Yeah,
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: for the offense.
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: I mean, well, Bill Bryan is a wizard with the
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: tight ends. I mean everywhere wizards everywhere he goes, the
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: tight ends produced. I mean at Alabama he had Cameron
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: Lattu we both really liked in the draft, and Cameron
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: Lato is not the world's greatest athlete, Like we're not
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: talking about Kyle Pitts here, and he's still put up
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: receiving numbers under Bill O'Brien. So I think the big
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: thing though with the twelve personnel is that it's great
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: in theory from a passing game standpoint, but can they
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: run the ball out of that actively and can those
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: either one of those tight ends give them something as
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: an inline blocker to be able to make that a
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: truly efficient personnel grouping, Because I think what happened over
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: the last couple of years with Henry and John who
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: is that they weren't good on the field together, so
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: they kept on trying to do it, but because the
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: numbers weren't really good and the production wasn't really good,
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: they had to go away from it. So in order
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: for it to be a big part of it, it's
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: got to work. And I just that's the one hesitation
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: I have with it still is are they going to
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: be able to block it up in the running game
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: so that you can't get the tight ends running behind
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: the linebackers on play action and really start to spin
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: the dial on the defense and really start to use
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: those guys. But off the field too, big, really good
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: relationship between Mac Jones and Hunter Henry they were at
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: Taylor Swift together. Yeah, they they're they're close on and
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: off the field.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. One one of the things that is tried and
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: true of any practice is the sled that's never gone away.
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: I like watching Bill O'Brien keeping a close eye on it.
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: Kind of interesting.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: It may look a little different, but you've always had
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: the sled as long as I know.
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: So is this sled pointed in a So this is
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: a straight on sled if I'm it looks like right
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: to me.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: So if they're teams that run zone systems, their sleds
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: are like tilted, the pad is like tilted a little
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: bit because they're stepping out and then hitting right. So
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: they they have different sleds adjustable.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's a good point.
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: So Evan, you said yesterday you didn't see a lot
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: of gap power, see more zone runs, RPOs, that kind
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: of stuff. Seems like what they're they're would you say
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: they're dabbling in the Bill O'Brien Alabama, Yeah, I.
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: Would say that Alabama. Alabama doesn't use a full back
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: or traditional full back. They did have a player that
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: was kind of like an h back type of player,
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: but they're they're mostly you know, look, they have the
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: mobile quarterbacks other than when they had Max, So that's
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: an element of why they were so zone heavy as well.
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: But they they run a lot of inside zone or
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: mid zone, so we're not talking about outside zone where
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: we're trying to get to the corner that they're still
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: going uphill or downhill I should say, in the middle
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: of the field, like they're not trying to get to
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: the edge. So it's similar to like a duo scheme,
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: which is a gap scheme, So it's not like it's
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: totally foreign or totally different than like a downhill power
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: rushing team. But typically speaking, the stuff that you see
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: like RPO is paired with is not always like you
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: can definitely pull a guard and run our PO that way.
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: But for the most part, you see RPO paired with zone,
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: with an inside zone in particular. So it's gonna be
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: interesting to see if that's that's where they're going with it.
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: But I don't think we've seen enough run game because
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: the pads haven't come on to truly be like, all right,
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: this is what they're gonna do. From a run game perspective.
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: They've kind of hit it honestly. Last year, remember out
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: in OTAs they were running outside zone like every other drill,
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: and it seems like they were doing something outside zone related.
• 34:56
  Speaker 7: They've played this one a little bit close to the
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: vest how exactly they're gonna they're gonna team it up
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: in the run game. So it's something to keep an
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: eye on.
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: Can I ask you guys yesterday, Sometimes I you know,
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: don't really notice all the details were a lot of
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: players wearing the protective caps that they have on today.
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: I think I know the linebackers, the receivers, the running backs,
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: there's certain both that I have to But did they
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: have They all had them on.
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: Yesterday, I think, so, Okay, there's certain trips now that
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: I believe it's the require.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: The secondary is not wearing it. Line offensive offensive linemen are, yeah.
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: Have them on.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: It's a mix.
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: And then the running backs have them on. Looks like
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: most of the I mean the tight ends have them on.
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: Linebackers I didn't. I don't know. I just I missed
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: it yesterday. I didn't notice them wearing them yesterday. We're
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: already used to them, I guess. Yeah, that's probably why.
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: Watching the US women's national team game last night. Oh yeah,
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: and they put a swim cap on a girl that
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: was in concussion protocol.
• 35:59
  Speaker 9: Really, I'd never see that that was a new one.
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: He's trying to like hold her brain.
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: In like district constricts.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: The swelling.
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well they, I mean that's probably more advanced. They
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: have more experience with concussions than any other sports.
• 36:13
  Speaker 9: So that was it was.
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: It was the Dutch team, not the US team. The
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: Dutch trainers put a swim cap on the ground.
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: How was that game?
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: Not great? From a US perspective? Second half was much Well,
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: isn't that not to be?
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not by any means, I don't know,
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: but isn't that one of the very few teams.
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: Netherlands So they played another team in the final of
• 36:35
  Speaker 7: the last World Cup.
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: And I don't want to come off as like the
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: Arigan American, but isn't there like three teams that.
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah, the US not to get it to the whole
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: US women's national team thing, but they're in a little
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: bit of a transition right now. You know, some of
• 36:49
  Speaker 7: the Carly Lloyd's, Megan Rappinos, even Alex Morgan starting to
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: get up there a little bit in age, like those
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: the stars that that really led the last decade of
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: US women's national team soft they're they're turned to age out.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: If we're going to talk about other sports, shout out
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: to my Red Sox taking two from the best team in.
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: The spanning really fun game to watch that. I don't
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: know if you caught.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Any that picture was mad they took him out?
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, well yeah he was right. But those those
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: two guys and how many strives did six six six. Yeah,
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: they both really pitched well and it was fun to watch.
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: I tend I tend to watch the Bayol games because
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: the only guy.
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, Paul, do you notice the change in the
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: with the pitch clock? Is that made it an impact.
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: In your experience? Fired away more fun to watch.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know if they've always done this,
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: but they cut the commercials like.
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: You've done that for like the last five ten years
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: they got it's maddening.
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: That shows I'm blue maybe maybe actually a little bit
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: better at this than we.
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll reserve judgment until I see them put a
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: reasonable facsimile of a contender on the field. But well,
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: just some of the young almost all of the young
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: guys weren't his, So that's.
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: The Yeah, that's.
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: A that's true. I guess I don't know. I mean
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: some of those guys, they they've developed though.
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: Like I would say, like, you give me more yushetas
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: and I'll say, hey, maybe this heim Bloom guy knows
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: a little bit more than what we're given credit for.
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: See what it hit the big thing for hem Bloom
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: and now we're really going off the rails.
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: Well, what kind of waiting for practice to start. Let's
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: be honest. Yeah, they want to give everybody a false side.
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: The guy that's going to get him fired or extended
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: as Marcella Meyer. If Meyer is as good as he
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: thinks he's going to be, then he'll then he'll be
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: in the job for the next ten years.
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: Positions he puts short.
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: And they're just vibing time with Yu Chang and Keike
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: Hernandez like just to wait until he's ready to play.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: So they finally got rid of they traded. Yeah, back
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: to the Doyers. Yeah, yeah, what do you call the Doyers.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: Doyers know a thing. Yeah, you have to be special.
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: I dabbled in some Dodger fandom briefly, but it didn't stick.
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: I've been to a Dodger game. Dodger said he used
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: to go.
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: To like when the Red Sox would go out there.
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: I could every game of the series. And that stadium
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: is fun. It's a fun stadium.
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: It's old, it's a giant.
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: It's old, but it is not. It is kind of
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: a fun place.
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: Red Sox take over that place. So I'll tell you
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: Red Sox fans, when those socks are out there, it's
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: like fifty fifth.
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: Red Sox Nation West Baby. Yeah, Sonny McLain's and Santa Mongo.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: They put a whole group up there. Angels games too.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Same thing with the Patriots. Sonny mcclains gets packed for
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: when the Patriots are in town.
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: I used to Oh, yeah, that's the that's the Patriots
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: far Monica.
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: I didn't get to go because I was working, but
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: I h it was fun.
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: I tell you, they would always have they would have
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: free raffles there. You know, they're always making half time
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: they would do, you know, And I still have a
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: Patriots mug. I don't even know where they got the
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: stuff from.
• 39:43
  Speaker 9: But I went, like I think.
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: It was a preseason game where I had the night
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: off and it was like I was able to go
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: and watch the game.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see what the Patriots turnout is
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: for the joint practices in Nashville and Green Bay.
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Gott in a couple of dms from people asking
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: like if those are going to be open to the public,
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: and like they live in the area and they want
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: to go, so I think there will be something.
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there was who was was was it Melvin?
• 40:07
  Speaker 9: Yeah?
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean Nashville obviously is a great destination.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: So if you want to make you know, a few
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: days out of it, that would be a great good
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: take for Patriots fans. And you know Green Bay, you know,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: with the history there. Uh, you know, that could be
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: a good take too. They've got their own little museum
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: and and so, uh, you know, wouldn't be a bad
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: little trip for Patriots fans. And obviously if you already
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: live in the area, you know, show up.
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, what do you guys make of to
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: Mario Douglas two days in a row.
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: I actually was just that's what I just grabbed, bring
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: it back to thank you. But the funny thing I
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: find about this doesn't and it's just watched he watches,
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: you know. It's it's Kendrick one with the two tight
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: ends right now in in Montgomery and the backfield. You
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: got Juju watching. You got Pierre Strong and and DeVante Parker.
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: Those guys mix in occasionally, but Doug usually just kind
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: of stands, Yeah.
• 41:01
  Speaker 7: I want to see Douglas when the pads come on
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: and see if he's tiny, so is he going to
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: be able to physically hold up? But I know it
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: was at Liberty. I know you have to take that
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: with the grain of salt, but that college tape is phenomenal,
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: Like he is a really explosive player, really good route runner,
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: one of those guys that we always talk about it
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: creates separation, right and he's a true separator down the field.
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: So if it can translate for him at this level,
• 41:27
  Speaker 7: then I'm not gonna say he's going to be this
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: great player, but I think he's going to be an
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: NFL player if you can finish through the contact.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: Evan, you haven't been torturing yourself watching a Flowers highlights
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: on the Ravens.
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: But to be fair, Tomorow Douglas's day three is eight.
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: I know, it's like that that's the guy, right that
• 41:46
  Speaker 7: And when they were at the Shine Bowl together, you know,
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: Zay Flowers was really complimentary to Mario Douglas and said
• 41:52
  Speaker 7: some really nice things about how they have similar games
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: and run similarly and are similarly as good down the field.
• 41:59
  Speaker 7: But I no, I refuse to watch, especially because he's
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: you know, Lamar and z Flowers like my fever dream.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: And it sounds like Odell's having a pretty good camp
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: too good for the Braven's all right, But yeah, it
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: is interesting.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: I mean does it seem like this portion of practice
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: is extended from yesterday, Like they got into seven on
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Seven's a little quicker yesterday.
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: I didn't think sure, No, No, I thought this is
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: very similar to yesterday, only they're doing some different things,
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: you know, like as an example, in front of us
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: the prep work and special teams. Today appears like it's
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: going to be kick return. Yeah, Like they have some
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: some different blocking schemes that they're going over. So that's
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: all in preparation of what they're going to be doing.
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: But this is the kind of stuff they did yesterday
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: before they went to seven on seven's. Okay, how about
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: Devonte Parker anyone? You guys, it doesn't really seem to
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: be involved a whole lot in a lot of the
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: things they're doing. Right.
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: It's a big switch from last year where it felt
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: like the first couple this was the Devonte Parker contested
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: touchdown catch show. But I mean, I do think that
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: there's kind of an element emerging to me that Mac
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: is very uh enamored with the two tight ends, and
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: I think trying to get Hunter, Henry and Kasiki Uh
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: involved a lot. Maybe that's just a red zone thing,
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: but I mean like you know, like I just said,
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: though Parker's contested catch ability has been uh has been something.
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean this is that that grouping there was interesting.
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: You know, he had Juju and Born inside Parker on
• 43:29
  Speaker 7: the outside. Like that's probably what they envision it being
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: in week one if all the things are equal. I
• 43:34
  Speaker 7: just I still think Parker in terms of one on
• 43:37
  Speaker 7: one on the outside and his ability to make catches
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: along the sideline, make those contested jump ball catches, he's
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: still the best player on the team for that. Like,
• 43:45
  Speaker 7: he's still the best X receiver that they have. And
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: I until they upgrade that spot with an external addition,
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: he's going to be the guy. Then he's gonna play
• 43:54
  Speaker 7: a lot. Like we talked about this last year, just
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: how much he actually played when he was healthy, just
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: snapped wise, he's like an eighty five percent snap guy
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: something like that. And I don't see that. I think
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: that's gonna change.
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: That wasn't good run sick. He caught one of those
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: you know, it's funny. It was similar to the pass
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: that got picked off yctually. This one was higher. Yeah,
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: sort of caused him to leave his feet, get his
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: feet down and he ran.
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: Into the goalpost. Uh, he's okay, And.
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: That kind of threw his arms up like, oh, you're
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: good guy.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't need that. She used the door a guy,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: big optim padding around that. So we're good.
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: Nice, good job, Freddy.
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: Douglas Demoro Davison him, huh, that's.
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: Where he's going to play that inside slot position. Guy.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: So just want to remind everybody that at some point
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: we're gonna have to turn off our cameras due to
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: rules in about three minutes or so, but we will
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: continue with our coverage audio only, but we'll be here
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: right until the end of practice giving you everything that we.
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: See because we're getting a look at that group that
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: we've been talking about a little bit there. And you
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: did see Douglas get get a rep on the previous.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: Play, like might get another one right now, but just.
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: Talking and he's out there again. So I do find
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: I don't think those kinds of things are by accident. Yeah,
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: you know, I don't think those kinds of accidental.
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: He just caught a touchdown from that one for one touchdown.
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: You know, every other guy in that group I would say,
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: you know, you hesitate to say everything is a lock,
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: but every other guy in that group is a frontline
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: player and he's there, So I think I.
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: Think this gets me a little excited.
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: This reason, this reason to believe that they see something.
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: Because he's talented, he's got speed, he's got separation ability,
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: he can do some of the little gadget things that
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: they did with Marcus Jones last year, but he can
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: also went down the field with his route running. And
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: if he's somebody that they really feel like is getting it,
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: and then we can see that translated into actually, you know,
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: physically doing it on the field, and that's that's great news.
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not I haven't really gotten the true
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: sense of juju yet, but you just see there's so
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: many long striders on this offense. I mean Devonte Parker
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: long Strider, Kausiki long Strider Hunter, Henry long Strider. Douglas
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: stands out to me with just that the quickness, you know,
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: you can you can see it already. I'd love to
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: see a little bit of Juju in that too, But
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: he's a bigger dude.
• 46:13
  Speaker 7: Everybody like lose guys at that level at the you
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: know the Liberty teams that Liberty would play, I mean
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: like turning guys around like tops and like they're just
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: five yards away from him. Afterwards, he's got some real,
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: real burst and that quickness is definitely there.
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll see what. Meanwhile, Kishan Booty down here with the.
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: Like Cunningham ed Lee booty.
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: You just wonder Well, it's like a guy like Trey Nixon, right,
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: Like everybody rides Tray Nixon like hype train, and you
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: know here we are train. Nixon is not the one
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: who's getting you know, the the I don't know what
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: you call it.
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: Nixon was unquestionably the player of the Spring last year.
• 46:53
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  Speaker 1: All right, back here in Patriots training camp, high above
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: the practice fields, it's Fred Kurz, Paul Perrillo, Mike Dussau,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: and Evan Lazarre and uh, we're giving you everything that
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: we see because you can't anymore. So we'll be your
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: eyes for the duration of training camp. Right now, the
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Patriots are in Special Teams session.
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it looks like they're getting started and kick return
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: is the focus today. We're seeing Marcus Jones and Kyle Duggart,
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: Mike Guy, Kyle Duggart. They'll never let him do it,
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: but he's back there. Ty Montgomery taking some and one
• 50:33
  Speaker 6: of the rookies, Micah Isaiah Bolden. You said he's he
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: was really good and he had that he had that knack. Ye,
• 50:40
  Speaker 6: so you never know, little triperation, a little short kick.
• 50:50
  Speaker 7: He says he had some sort of Bolden of course
• 50:52
  Speaker 7: I should know this, but he had some sort of
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: like college record for kick returns. I think his average
• 50:57
  Speaker 7: or something like that, that he was really effective kick returner.
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: Can anybody be an effective kick returner in this NFL
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: other than Cordello Patterson?
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll be interested to see what the strategy is
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: here now that they have the fair catch? You know,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: will teams do the fair catch or will they return it?
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: I don't think Cordell Patterson, you know, I think it
• 51:23
  Speaker 7: depends on the If you remember when they had like
• 51:25
  Speaker 7: Brandon Bolden do it for a while, Like if you
• 51:27
  Speaker 7: have somebody like that back.
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: There, right that was like we're just we don't even care.
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: If you have a difference maker, I think you gotta
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: go for it.
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: I think it's always too interesting to me with these
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: like special team sessions. The one thing I do enjoy
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: about them is just getting a sense of who's got
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: the the you know, the the the angle on a
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: roster spot with who's you know, the top special teams
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: guys those are you know, that's a competition that'll that
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: will happen this year. A lot of rookies, new guys.
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of special teams, gunners, options, vice guys
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: all that.
• 51:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good point because you know you take
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: those two late round corners and speed and bolding, and
• 52:05
  Speaker 6: then you have some like second year guys like Schooler
• 52:10
  Speaker 6: and Mitchell, and you know you start adding well, yeah,
• 52:13
  Speaker 6: you start adding them all up, and you're like, well,
• 52:15
  Speaker 6: only so many of those guys can be sort of
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: on the roster, you know, And here you go, Freddie,
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: We're gonna get started with some seven seven seven.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Start with Mac.
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, eleven personnel, Kasiki and Juju.
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: So they got born Marcus Jones out there. Gonzales like,
• 52:32
  Speaker 7: this is the group that I hope is the group
• 52:35
  Speaker 7: in the secondary that emerges.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Well not not good first pass over the back of
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: the end zone, more of a throwaway than anything else.
• 52:45
  Speaker 7: Good coverage by Christian Gonzalez.
• 52:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he had a Juju blanketed.
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: I mean, this is these pactice sessions. Like I don't
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: want to overreact to Christian Gonzalez being able to be
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: out there because this is like meant for him with
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: how athletic he is, but you know, he just he
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: does look like he's comfortable at least to start.
• 53:01
  Speaker 7: I mean, he plays his leverage great already, Like you
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: just see his body positioning and how he just was
• 53:06
  Speaker 7: on the outside of Juju's hit because he knew that
• 53:09
  Speaker 7: he had the safety inside to help and he's already
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: got a good feel for that sort of thing. And
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: we obviously know he's really athletic.
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: So and there it is.
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not sure he was in bounds.
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: And but DeVante Parker, but you know that, I mean
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: right there on Marcus John Marcus Jones we talked about yesterday. Yeah,
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: it's a tough one for him.
• 53:28
  Speaker 6: I thought Marcus Jones actually had pretty good coverage. Yeah,
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure he was in bounds.
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think he was.
• 53:33
  Speaker 6: And this is noteworthy, I think for Marcus Jones because
• 53:36
  Speaker 6: I don't think he got a ton of you know,
• 53:39
  Speaker 6: we know that we're not calling it first team whatever,
• 53:42
  Speaker 6: but this is a group that it's it's Gonzales and
• 53:45
  Speaker 6: Jonathan Jones, like yesterday it's Adrian Phillips and Kyle Duggart
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: with Marcus Jones. You know that's a those are high
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: level reps for him.
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: Yep, same thing missed.
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of timing stuff they're trying to work
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: on here. Back corner stuff again. You know, you're you're
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: operating from the five yard line, not a lot of
• 54:06
  Speaker 6: room to sort of operate and being you have to.
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: I think you're kind of scheme reliant on some of
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: the passing game things down here. I think it's so
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: work in progress.
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd say my my my thing with Gonzales is
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: is what's it look like when the pads come on?
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: You know, and even more so, like what's it look
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: like when tackling has to happen? Because that was you know,
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: kind of the knock on him of you know, he's
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: not the most overly physical tackler guy. I mean, he's
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: got good size, but really it's it's all about athleticism
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: and speed for him, which, like, let's face it, you
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: rather have that than than the physicality. But we'll see
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: how he does when the pads come on.
• 54:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, now that one, that one broke open. Uh KASICKI
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: was wide open between Gonzales and in Duggar, and unfortunately
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: for Mac, I think he was looking the other way
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: to the time.
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: The other way yeah, I mean it. I mean what
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: all three passes went to the to the back right
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: corner of the end zone, so maybe maybe they're working
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: on something specific down there also.
• 55:00
  Speaker 7: Just with Gonzalez, like once we get to the joints and
• 55:03
  Speaker 7: Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs and then you know Hopkins
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: and uh and uh Treylon Burks. I know, I'm taking
• 55:11
  Speaker 7: a lot of shots at the Patriots receivers, but at
• 55:14
  Speaker 7: least that's like a little bit of a of a
• 55:16
  Speaker 7: test for him.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: It'll be full speedy.
• 55:20
  Speaker 6: He definitely broke open, but the throw was a little late,
• 55:23
  Speaker 6: and then Jack Jones did a nice job of playing
• 55:26
  Speaker 6: catch up Douglas being Mike Sky. If people haven't figured.
• 55:29
  Speaker 7: That out, I'm playing it on the throw it is late.
• 55:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the throw is definitely late, no doubt. And that
• 55:35
  Speaker 6: was Zappi, by the way, who's coming in after the
• 55:37
  Speaker 6: first the first foard to Mac Jones and now this
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: one to Zappi with a different group of players, you have,
• 55:45
  Speaker 6: is it Booty Douglas looks like Nicky Nixon.
• 55:50
  Speaker 7: For whatever it's worth, Like Zappi has not taken a
• 55:53
  Speaker 7: single rep with a regular receiving group, Like it's it's
• 55:58
  Speaker 7: all those reps have one.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: There's a nice touchdown for Yeah, she's good, passed by
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: ZAPPI socle high pointed it.
• 56:07
  Speaker 6: Over Jalen Mills, by the way, so not like uh.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: You know, it was in a crowd.
• 56:11
  Speaker 6: Defensively, it's a little different. You got Jack Jones, you
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: got Adrian Phillips now still out there with with Mills.
• 56:19
  Speaker 6: So like defensively they have I would say a higher
• 56:22
  Speaker 6: level of player than than offense right now. So that's
• 56:25
  Speaker 6: that's a good win for the offense.
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: It seems mostly Mills. It's safety. I I I wonder
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: if he might be a little bit on the bubble,
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: no matter how much Like he's got good versatility and
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: that's worth a lot. But you know, in a perfect
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: booty Boody gets a catch and gets away from Jack
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: Jones gets in. Now, I just wonder if if one
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: of the young guys were to emerge, if if a
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: Josh bledsoe you know, we're to emerge and and you know,
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: bring more of a ceiling than than Jalen Mills has,
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: if he might be on the way out. So obviously
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: they redid his contract this year.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: So so in the receiving corps or you know group
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: that they have now, who would be your surprise person
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: who makes the team.
• 57:04
  Speaker 7: Firkser, I mean that it feels like the third tight
• 57:08
  Speaker 7: end is the guy that is the most wide open
• 57:11
  Speaker 7: job out of all of it. I do like Lumpkin,
• 57:14
  Speaker 7: you know, I you can block, but I.
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: Would say Kevin Harrison ie little catch and.
• 57:19
  Speaker 7: You know Kevin Harris can make the team. They don't
• 57:21
  Speaker 7: have enough backs unless they signed off a cook, they
• 57:24
  Speaker 7: don't have enough backs. I think to cut him. But
• 57:26
  Speaker 7: I think that third tight end spots. It is interesting
• 57:29
  Speaker 7: because you know last year they only kept two. They
• 57:31
  Speaker 7: kept Johnny and Hunter Henry. Two years ago they had
• 57:33
  Speaker 7: the full back, so that was three I think technically,
• 57:37
  Speaker 7: so I don't know if they'll only carry two again.
• 57:39
  Speaker 7: I think I one of these guys might be able
• 57:42
  Speaker 7: to get a roster spot.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: But what about wide receiver.
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, it seems like Douglass right now would be
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: the be the favorite that at You got to see
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: if one of these other guys, if ed Lee or
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: any of those guys.
• 57:55
  Speaker 6: Can McSorley is out there now. He jammed one into
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: Montgomery and tight coverage. You know it's possible they only
• 58:07
  Speaker 6: keep four receivers too. I mean, they could go heavy
• 58:10
  Speaker 6: on tight ends if they feel like the better players there.
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: But you know, you also have that sixteen man practice
• 58:17
  Speaker 6: squad where you can sort of mix and match your
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: personnel that way. I don't know where, you know, where
• 58:23
  Speaker 6: does a guy like Scotty Washington is he Is he
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: on this radar at all? Or Rally Webb, these guys
• 58:28
  Speaker 6: that played some special teams. In Washington's case, you know,
• 58:32
  Speaker 6: he's sort of behind. He's a little, uh, little hybrid
• 58:37
  Speaker 6: kind of player.
• 58:38
  Speaker 7: Montgomery, he's all right, thoughts get that, man, I don't
• 58:43
  Speaker 7: know that the practice squad flexibility is and you were
• 58:46
  Speaker 7: talking about third tight ends and fifth and six receivers.
• 58:51
  Speaker 7: It does give them a ton of flexibility. And you
• 58:53
  Speaker 7: do look at guys like Firks here Scotty Washington, like
• 58:57
  Speaker 7: those guys probably would make it back to the practice squad.
• 58:59
  Speaker 9: Let's huge preseasons.
• 59:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean maybe Ferks are, but you like Scottie Washington,
• 59:04
  Speaker 6: Rally Webb, those kinds of circle you're gonna get more
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: than likely you're gonna get those guys to the practice
• 59:09
  Speaker 6: squad if you want to.
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I gotta admit, you know, everybody loves
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: to do fifty three man rosters twenty seven versions of them,
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: But like, I don't find it that hard to do
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: a fifty three man roster right now, because any fifty
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: three man roster that you put together, you're probably gonna
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: have to make some kind of leap of a random
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: guy that made a jump that you haven't seen yet,
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: you know. And that's kind of what I'm waiting for
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: in camp, is like, who are gonna be these random
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: guys that step up that we that we haven't really talked.
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: I mean, Douglas possibly is is you know, the first
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: one to maybe ping the radar a little bit of
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: of somebody who might get the opportunity with the top
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: group to show what he can do.
• 59:42
  Speaker 6: But like yesterday, now this is going high red zone
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: now a little bit more out by the twenty and.
• 59:52
  Speaker 7: Two versus one.
• 59:53
  Speaker 6: This is full, This is full team. This is kind
• 59:55
  Speaker 6: of what they did yesterday a little bit, and they
• 59:56
  Speaker 6: did a lot of running in this situation yesterday. Yeah,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: this is definitely you're right.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: I think I heard your Parker comment Paul.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 6: Jos versus ones and it just and it's designed to
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 6: be completed yeah.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 7: Looked like therefore just gave up, gave up, just give up.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 9: It's a little bit. It just gave up. Got these
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 9: couple of days, they're just they're hard.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: Let's take mister and.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 6: You know, and building said it before practice like so
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 6: someone someone, Yeah, it's just it's just the same that
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 6: we were doing. It's not I know, we're all excited
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 6: because we're all looking forward to the next step, you know.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: But as soon as you start camp, you're like, all right,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: still ramping it up. Well, it took me the fall
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: start and lap. Oh all right, that's in the blogs.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 6: Uh but yes it will.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: No lap and oh no, he's going he's maybe he
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: could use it a chance to hit the crowd up
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: a little bit.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 7: So that was throws a little bit off or late.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 7: I but Juju just dusted whoever that was up the seam.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 7: And those are the types of throwers him in the
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 7: middle of the in the middle of the field, you know,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 7: in that slot position, that's where he's He hasn't moved
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 7: really from that smell.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 6: I agree, that's been not noticeable. Most of his most
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 6: of his reps absolutely have mm hmm.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: Mac still behind center.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 7: It's a decent amount of twelve personnel here.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, circle.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 9: Mac MHM, circle Circle triple.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: Maybe Socle. I know Socle has some fans on the
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: social media team as well.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 7: Everybody's gonna write practice Player of the Day Matt Socle.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: Of offense Circle Take day two. That could be the title.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: You gotta watch some more of the defense. It does
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: seem like Marcus Jones is getting a little bit more.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: I think there's been a top line run today. That's
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: probably think it's been a.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 6: Bit of an elevation day for him. After you guys said,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 6: you know, more of a cornerback.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: I just think you're right. Everything again, everything we talked
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: about with him, just and we saw it. There's tomorrow, Doug,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: this nice little say.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 7: That's those a little quick twitch underneath routes.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: Not enough of that.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 7: They don't they don't have that guy.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: And he was maybe they do have that guy. Maybe
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: they do, But I just you know, I and I
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: say it with about Marcus Jones, is that like coming out.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: I thought one of his best skills was his ability
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: to just athletically match guys in man coverage and just
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: stick with guys. But it doesn't really matter if you're
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: sticking with him and you're only up to their you know,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: to their chest, you know, and they're gonna put the
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: ball over your head.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 7: So this is a ZAPPI rep with some of the
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 7: with the regular skill players, Jew and Born, Pierre Strong,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 7: David Andrew. This is this is a one rep for
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 7: zapp Wide Open Checkdown.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 6: It was a bit of a breakdown there. I would say, yeah,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 6: I don't want to get too technical.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: Oh no, oh boy, big collision. Forty four is up
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: and okay, and Jack Jones is okay too.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 6: But oh I that was not good for Rally Web.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Rolly Webb and Jack Jones.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 7: That was even a big hit. Even if Pat's right
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 7: like that's a big training camp hit.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: I think that was almost more of a collision. Yeah,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: it wasn't clarified.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 6: They ran into each other. It wasn't a hit.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: Jack Jones is not trying to Rodney Harrison anybody out
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: here today.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 7: Not yet.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: I remember It's okay.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: I gotta say though, can I just say real quick,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: I think Trace mcstory is pretty rough out there, man.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: I when we've been watching his reps like it's it's
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: he's pretty bad.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: He's he's inaccurate, it's like.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: Maybe maybe we got to pull back on those reps
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: a little bit. Definitely a camp arms for sure, and
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: then it's it's just perfect.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 7: I remember in college and Marcus Jones against Calvin Austin.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 7: That was like the big tape for both those guys.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 7: And Calvin Austin got him a couple of times, but
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 7: he got Calvin Austin if you he was you know,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: real heavyweight, back and forth type of thing, and those
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 7: you know, Calvin Austin is one of those guys that
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 7: we were talking about yesterday. It's a speedy slot, you know,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 7: undersized slot receiver. And if that's if they can make
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 7: sure that Marcus Jones is only matched up against those
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 7: types of receivers, I know, I don't think it's a problem.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 5: And I mean I mentioned it yesterday, but I mean
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: it's just what stood out to me with it just
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: seemed like classic Josh McDaniels last year, where on that
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: last drive that they had, it was Mac Collins on
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 5: Marcus Jones.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 6: Mac.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: I mean they I think they went to him three
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: times including the touchdown. You know, that's the kind of
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: thing where as an offensive coordinator, you see that if
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: I got a big receiver. If I've got Devontae Parker,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: you know that's got contested catch in the back corner
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: of the endzone written all over.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 6: And now they're working their way back where they were
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 6: yesterday in the red zone, down down, closer to the
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 6: five yard line.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: Still still zapp in there, baby steps, Yeah, still zap.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 7: You're right, says some real run with the ones for
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 7: for baileysapp.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 6: Henry, it's Born, it's Montgomery, it's Parker, absolutely Trump Brown,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 6: Bill Murray, of course. Yeah, the line is the same, right.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yep, eighty five.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 6: What do you make of Bill Bill Murray? Like?
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: Is that?
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 6: Is that a bad sign that none of the rookies
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 6: have impressed.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: Enough to can I can we check back on like
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: day five. I think Bill Murray is still there on
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: day five. I mean, I don't want to slight Bill Murray.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 6: May that's the right answer. I think I think he
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 6: gave the right answer. Yeah, it's okay, Yeah, I mean
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 6: I am.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: I mean, Bill Murray is one of my guys. I
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: have to say the fifty year practice squad, right your jump.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: But I mean I think I said at the top
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: of the show, I always feel like sometimes with this stuff,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 5: and it would be like an example be Hey, you know,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 5: the first day of practice, you got these rookie running backs,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: but Brandon Bolden's out there taking the first reps. It's like,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 5: I feel like early in camp they like to put
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 5: guys out there who kind of know what they're doing
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: to at least set the baseline and then you know,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: when it does become about competition, then maybe those guys
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: will make a push. I mean, you know, you'd love
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: to see Mafi get in there and start getting some
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: run with those with those ones, that'd be you know,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: a good sign, especially unfortunately for Michael and Wenu. If
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 5: you know, if he were to have to start the
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: season on pup they got that. That's another big question mark.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: Who's gonna play there? I mean, I don't think anybody,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: especially we talked about Connor McDermott and you know in
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: Riley Reef at right tackle. How do you feel about
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: Bill Murray at right guard? I mean, that's that's that's
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: another one. Holds your breath and see how it goes.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I definitely think that you would like to see
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 7: Antonio Maffi be the guy there. I just I think
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 7: he's got the most translatable skill set to what they
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 7: ask for out of their right guards. And he looks exactly.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Up. We lost seven.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: I have you though, did you lose a battery, Evan?
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: Not the dead battery, it could be.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: Faith. Do we have any batteries?
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 6: I think Evan might need batteries, Faith And in case
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 6: you are all wondering, yes, he is a machine, so
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 6: he needs he needs batteries charged, Evan.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: Plug him in. We got Mac back in there now.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of tight stuff, you know, heavy play action,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 6: you know, looking looking to leak the tight ends out.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 6: There was one nice connection there.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: Who was that eighty eight? Sicky?
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 6: It's a good throw.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: That was a nice one from Mac. There today we
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 5: still got yeah, we still got all the back line.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: Plug him in. Uh yeah, that's still the same.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: Still the first crew with back then that offensive line has.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: Not a lot of reps. A Mario Douglas back back
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 5: to Pats.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 9: Hunter Henry little jet motion for to Mario Douglas.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 7: There.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: You know, it looks a lot better when you got
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 5: a little quick guy running the jet motion instead of
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: one of the big plotters.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 6: You know, Harry, what if you think TK Metcalp is
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 6: better than Kennil Harry, You're an idiot.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 9: I think is he still available? And he worked out
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 9: with the Bears.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 6: I think it was the Bears be well, I don't
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 6: think he'd cut him. He was free year.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 7: No, maybe maybe it was nikkil Harry formerly of the
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 7: Bears were I don't know what he.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 6: Definitely he was. That was the last year of his
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 6: contract when we got rid of him.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: Did Chad Jackson ever do anything? Everything anywhere else? He
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: was the same thing.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: Just what a bust he huh?
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, both guys look like absolute adonis.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: It's like, I mean, just cut from stone Chad Jackson.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 6: I was on the Chad Jackson bandwagon. I'll have to
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 6: admit that when he went before he saw him play,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 6: or when he was here on the practice field, I was.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 6: I was in. I thought I thought they had two
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 6: really good skill guys in Maroney and Jackson that year.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 6: They looked great in the camps in the spring, and
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 6: they never really materialized.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: What was up with many? He was good, he had
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 5: his games had I mean it was a two thousand
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: and seven ANFC championship game. I always give him a
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: lot of credit for.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 6: But he was really good in the playoffs.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 5: I always liked how he ran, you know, I just
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: you think he ran hard and I never quite got
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: what the what the disconnect was with him, Like why
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 5: he couldn't get to.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: The pity exactly. Yeah, yeah, that was his thing. Not
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: decisive enough, but he It's a.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 7: When girl was talking yesterday about receivers and he was
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 7: asked about the number one receiver thing, and he did
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 7: give a really cool answer, extensive answer about what they
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 7: view and number one receiver as. And we're kind of
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 7: talking about this yesterday and just the body types of
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 7: the guys that they have draft. At the top of
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 7: the draft, they're trying to check so many boxes right,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 7: Like they're like, the number one receiver is a guy
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 7: that can get open on his own, that can play
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 7: inside and outside, that preferably can also add something in
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 7: the run game. And it's like, so that's why you're
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 7: gravitating towards Nikhil Harry's and Chadgic because if they're gonna
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 7: have to add something in the run game and they're
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 7: gonna have to play multiple spots, like they're gonna have
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 7: to have some size.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: It's almost like they're talking themselves into it, you know,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 5: like they have such a high bar and so many
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: checkpoints that they you know, probably maybe fudge a couple
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 5: of like well, you know, we love to kill some
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: size and you know, maybe his intelligence. But like at
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: the end of the day, he just you know, he
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: didn't move the needle.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 7: That is something that I think is makes you just
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 7: a little bit optimistic about their approach, is that Taekwon
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 7: isn't that Taekwon is good at one thing. He's fast,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 7: and that they didn't try to They didn't overthink his weight.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 7: And I know he hasn't done anything yet. So when
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 7: I say think, I just mean in terms of the
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 7: evaluation in the draft, they didn't think about his way.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 7: They didn't think either he's not run blocking like that's
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 7: it's not they did.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: They did try to do it with him, Like it's
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: like now they're just trying to well, let's just take
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: the fast guy and try to make them into what
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: we want.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: A couple emails coming in at web Radio at pages
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: dot com, Jack wants to know, are you surprised that
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: pig in an urban setting wasn't lining up with the
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: twos yesterday?
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 6: I was a little bit. I did take note of that.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 6: I think I'll put it in the same box that
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 6: Mike put Bill Murray in five six days in if
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 6: we're still not really seeing that somewhere, you know, whether
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 6: it be right guard or right tackle, I.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 5: Don't care well, especially when they have so many questions,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 5: you know. And I mean it just goes back to
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 5: talking about the fifty three menu roster. It's like, yeah,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: Riley reached the starter, but do you feel like he's
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: a lock. I mean, I don't think.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 6: I don't think he's a you know, I don't know.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: Don't really have a lock at right tackle, Like they
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 5: don't really have them, you know.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 6: And part of that is Calvin Anderson and where he
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 6: might fit in, and we have seeing him out here.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 6: I don't know what his limitations are. But yeah, I
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 6: agree with you might get you're going to have probably
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 6: a veteran that could start and could not be on
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 6: the team. Like I know that sounds silly, but yeah,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 6: you guys.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 7: Read anything into the fact that Bailey Zappy just got
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 7: some legitimate run with the with the ones just now
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 7: a little bit.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about it, but I didn't want to
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: like open up that can of worms.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 7: I don't I don't want to overreact to it either.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 7: But that didn't happen yesterday, you know. I just yeah,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 7: you always you never know, like about managing reps and man,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 7: you know how they're kind of divving it up or whatever.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 5: But yeah, that was see some more RPO stuff down there.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 7: That was definitely interesting.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, little uh non tackling tackling drills going on, Guys
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: taking the ball and having to evade the defender within
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: a certain booty couldn't hold onto a confined area. I
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: think this might be a good time to take a break.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: Oh so, why don't we do that. We'll take a
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: break when we come back. We'll have more from Patriots
• 1:13:06
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  Speaker 1: Paul Parrillo, Mike dus, Evan Lazar, we're high up of
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  Speaker 1: what is it? Kick return session of practice?
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  Speaker 6: Yes, looks to me like today's work is kick return.
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  Speaker 6: They kicked the makeshift kickoff team wearing the pinnies.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Fred, I couldn't make another team. We just announced
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  Speaker 5: training camp practices for next week. I could share those lots,
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  Speaker 5: I you'd like. That is, so there will be practice
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  Speaker 5: next Monday or I guess Sunday. But Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
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  Speaker 5: Thursday have been announced now as well. Those will all
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  Speaker 5: be nine am start times for the practices on Monday, Wednesday, Thursday,
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  Speaker 5: but Tuesday will be a midday practice twelve thirty to
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  Speaker 5: two thirty. Gates open at eleven for that Tuesday practice
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  Speaker 5: on August first, So next week coming together a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder why Tuesday is midday well in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of some others.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and it sounds like they they practicing h five
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  Speaker 6: days in a row.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're allowed to do that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think. I think it's every five days they
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  Speaker 6: need a day off, but they usually.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so they'll be Thursday.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that means I'll have Friday off, right, Supposedly, I.
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  Speaker 6: Thought Friday was the in season stadium. So that's probably
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  Speaker 6: not right. Yeah, that's probably not That's why I kind
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  Speaker 6: of stuck out unless we're reading the dates wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Because if they're practicing Sunday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
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  Speaker 1: that's five days. So if Friday Friday is already an
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  Speaker 1: inn stadium, I.
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  Speaker 6: Thought Friday was the in stadium practice.
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  Speaker 1: You guys, so one of those days are going to
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  Speaker 1: be off.
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  Speaker 9: I would assume Thursday, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: As always, things are subject to change, so let's not
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  Speaker 5: worry about it. Read the blocks, you'll know.
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  Speaker 7: A little bit more ramped up than in the previous
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  Speaker 7: years that I had covered it.
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  Speaker 5: They did a full pads.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, they did a little bit more.
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  Speaker 6: I think they had pads on. I don't necessarily think
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  Speaker 6: it was ramped up at all.
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  Speaker 5: A couple of nights I remember it being a little
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  Speaker 5: bit more.
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  Speaker 6: Brian had a.
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  Speaker 5: Couple of nice throws of that one.
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  Speaker 6: Well, that was one you thought there, I thought, you said,
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  Speaker 6: Brian Morey, Uh yeah, that was when we thought it
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  Speaker 6: was like ending.
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  Speaker 5: We went down and then like it kept going, but
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 5: it was it was again. It was like, oh yes,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: more of like a you know, running through the game
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  Speaker 5: day operation. It was there's a sideline, we stand up.
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  Speaker 5: It was now absolutely wise.
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  Speaker 7: I wrote a post about it being more intense than
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 7: it was.
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  Speaker 6: It doesn't mean it was right.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, I think it's funny.
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  Speaker 7: I think it was just the way Mike said most
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  Speaker 7: years that that practice is like a walkthrough just for appearances,
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  Speaker 7: just bringing guys out just to break. He would just
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  Speaker 7: come out and shorten it.
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  Speaker 6: They did have pads on. That's what to me the
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  Speaker 6: difference was. I'm not saying I'm just saying it was
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  Speaker 6: that blue white scrimmage that they do half speed and
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  Speaker 6: they go over every situation. They run the field goal
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  Speaker 6: unit on, they do a free kickoff like they do everything.
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  Speaker 6: It's it's every situation you could possibly do.
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  Speaker 5: We'll check the blogs.
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  Speaker 7: You check the blog.
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  Speaker 1: Dugger deep.
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  Speaker 6: Over it. My guy right here, dugger. I like just
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  Speaker 6: watching him handle the kick and then I say, we'll
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  Speaker 6: never see that again.
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  Speaker 5: There he goes, They're gonna put him out there one
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: time this year, Paul, and he's gonna fair catch it,
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  Speaker 5: and you're gonna be pissed.
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  Speaker 6: I might cry.
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  Speaker 5: I could finally and wave. Well they I gotta say, though,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know what it's like in the
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: sun right now, but this cool breeze up here is.
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  Speaker 6: I did notice yesterday that we were very comfortable up here,
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  Speaker 6: and when we went down to do the interviews. I
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  Speaker 6: don't know if it was just because there was so
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 6: many people and tight quarters, but it felt like it
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 6: was ten degrees hotter down there.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: Well, the TEP is definitely going up. I've got eighty
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  Speaker 1: four degrees right now.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's on your Accu weatherfit.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, and sun is starting to peek out a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more.
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  Speaker 5: As we're now. This is again more kickoff return.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's more bolden.
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  Speaker 1: Looks like they're gonna get ready for eleven on eleven,
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  Speaker 1: here comes the.
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  Speaker 6: Lines, Oh where are they coming from? Fred? All right?
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: Yates?
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  Speaker 5: Of hell, we got to get It's like some kind
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 5: of social media posts of you know, some work going
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 5: on down there with some fire and Billy Yates.
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  Speaker 6: So now I want to see if Evans thing with
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 6: Zappy sort of caveaes through this second level of team.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it looks like we got one's v one.
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  Speaker 1: But you know that's sneaky on the Offensi's part, Like
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: Mac will be the first one out there, but he
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  Speaker 1: won't be necessarily with the first.
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  Speaker 5: That's well, that's the cam Newton thing. That's what they did,
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  Speaker 5: Kim Newton. Cam Newton will get the first four reps.
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  Speaker 6: Wait a minute, but mat Mac took his reps before
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 6: Zappi with the ones. But Evan's point was Zappi took
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 6: reps with the ones also, which I don't think he
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  Speaker 6: did yesterday. I agree with Evan on that.
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  Speaker 7: See, we do agree sometimes.
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  Speaker 5: What do you do?
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 6: What will they they yell at me for agreeing with
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 6: you all the time.
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  Speaker 5: What would you say? Is the philosophical difference in a
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: practice and a drill where you're going ones versus ones
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: versus we're gonna go the first team offense against the
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 5: second team defense. Uh, you know sometimes they switch it up.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: Well, you want to get looks sometimes it's tempo, yeah,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: and you want to you want to see some of this,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: you know, to be back up defensive players against some
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: of your better Also, sometimes.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 7: It's a little bit of they want the better players
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 7: to be able to do what they need to do right,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 7: but it's still have a tempo, like you're not just
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 7: doing walk through, but you're trying to run things, and
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 7: you think that Juju Smith Schuster is probably gonna.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: Get wonder Blitz got there.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 7: Here's his best throw of camp so far, two days.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: In play action protection.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: Why don't you describe it a little bit?
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 7: So it's a I don't want to call it something.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 7: He ran a deep over and then Kendrick Bourne ran
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 7: the post or the deep over to the other direction
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 7: off of play action, just kind of like intersecting crossing
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 7: grounds and Parker beat his guy and Mac dropped it
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 7: in the bucket.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 6: And we should mention that it was Gonzales that got
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 6: bet just because we've been talking about how his coverage
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 6: has been really good, so we want to be a
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  Speaker 6: little bit balanced. But yeah, that was that was nice.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 6: Nice design. A little Pepper's, you know, very active as
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 6: a blitzer in the first two days.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 7: By the way, see that that's gonna be a lot
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 7: of their offense, right, Empty, Mac and Empty spread the formation.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: Out underneath like quick outs underneath the hunter Henry.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 6: The other part about that twos versus ones thing, ones
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 6: versus two's whatever I think and I don't. You can't
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  Speaker 6: always tell because sometimes they have cards out, sometimes they don't.
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  Speaker 6: But a lot of times when the twos are running
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 6: someone else's looks as opposed to you don't necessarily want
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 6: your ones running someone else's looks.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 15: Just do what you do.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I don't know if that was the case.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 6: Down the far end, it looked like it was a
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 6: very low tempo and most of those plays were designed
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 6: to succeed getting Josh bloodsoe here a little.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 7: This is this is what I want to I've been
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 7: waiting to see all off season though nobody open No, well, yeah,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 7: but Mac and empty, Like I really feel like that's
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 7: where he can really control the line of scrimmage and
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 7: use his brain to just know where the ball should
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 7: go before the ball is snapped and get the thing
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 7: out of there, and it just stresses the defense. And
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 7: bill Obrian's empty package is famous, like it's it's one
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 7: of the best at any level of football, and just
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 7: I think he can thrive in that situation. I really do,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 7: because of his ability to cross this defense.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: What makes O'Brien's empty different than others.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 7: Well, he's been building it for years and years, which
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 7: I think is a big thing. But he young corporates
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 7: a lot of tempo, and then he also does it
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 7: out of different formations like he excuse me personnel groupings,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 7: like he's not afraid to run empty out of twelve
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 7: or run empty out of a more traditional run personnel grouping,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 7: and that creates a lot of mismatches, a lot of
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 7: coverage tells, like if you put a tight end out
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 7: wide and the corners over him, then you know it's
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 7: probably his own coverage, and that allows the quarterback to
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 7: be able to decipher the coverage. So it's not necessarily
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 7: the play designs themselves, but it's very Uh, He's got
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 7: a lot in his rolodex, and it's been successful for
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 7: him pretty much everywhere.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 6: Mike, did you get a good look at that result
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 6: of that place?
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 5: Nobody opened? He wanted it.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 6: He looked like he had Juju, and Juju I thought
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 6: could have made the catch.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: Yeaheah. Did you feel like I felt that way? I
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  Speaker 5: don't know if he I mean, I didn't really felt
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 5: feel like he could have had him. It just felt
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 5: like he got off and like he wanted him, but
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 5: he got off.
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  Speaker 6: It definitely wasn't the design. It was a hard play
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 6: action again, like Evan just said, ball designed to come
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 6: out quick. The coverage was there. But then I thought
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 6: he had I thought I thought Juju had a chance
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 6: to make a play. He does make a touchdown catch
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 6: here on on Gonzalez again, you know, right by the pylon. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 6: see that's I think Evan's right. When the ball comes
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 6: out immediately. He's accurate enough that in general the plays
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 6: looks looks solid. It's it's about the timing in the rhythm,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 6: I think Zappian. Now, so that was five plays for mac.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: So second offensive line again, same as it was yesterday.
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  Speaker 6: We had him three for Shin.
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• 1:25:43
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  Speaker 6: Let's So that was like interesting little play design.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 5: Did you catch Evan missed it? I think Evan missed
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 5: that one.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 6: They sort of had a little bubble. I don't know
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 6: what you were doing, but it was a little bubble
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 6: to to Tray Nixon with a couple of guys in
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 6: front of them. But the defense I thought was swarming there.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 6: But yeah, seemed like a little a little bit of
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 6: a different yeah, a little bit of a different kind
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 6: of look.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: Of course, the bubble.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 6: So now this is one that I hope people don't
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 6: get too excited. So that's now. Zappi has been in
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 6: for three plays. They've all been little swing passes. They're
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 6: all complete three three. Well, you know three for three.
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  Speaker 7: Play you know, no, you know they'll write it all.
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  Speaker 7: You know, they will no context needed here.
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  Speaker 6: I just looked at and for the record three for three,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 6: but you know, all coming from inside the ten yard line.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 6: None of them ended up in the end zone. Yeah,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 6: and none of them would have ended.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: Up J Taylor would have ended up dead.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 7: The exact play design you're talking about. But they they
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 7: definitely have ran some we say r PO style things.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 5: Yes, I mean I've been saying it's.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 7: It's it's there. I mean, that's just a screen. But
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 7: they they've definitely done quite a bit of that. And
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 7: I we talked about it a little bit yesterday. How
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 7: you can see how they're building up to it by
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 7: like installing the run element first, and then they put
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 7: the pass routes onto it and it's and then they
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 7: do it all together, right, and and that's that's definitely
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 7: gonna be a part of the playbook. I like most
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 7: teams that run a lot of RPO or somewhere around
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 7: twenty five percent RPO in terms of their RPO plays
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 7: relative to the rest of the plays that they run.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 7: But that that's like at the top of the league.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 7: That's like Philadelphia, Kansas City, like they'll run it that much.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 7: I don't know if the Patriots are going to be
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 7: twenty five percent RPO.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: And like lead the league, but it's going to be
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 5: more than they've been running.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like my same sec second offensive line is yesterday, yes, correct,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 6: And I would I would say just to you know,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 6: follow up on Evan's point. We wanted to watch as
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 6: this period what got underway. Mac took the first five
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 6: with the ones. Zappi came in, took the next five,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 6: not with the ones, not the same, did not operate
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 6: with the same personnel that he did in the previous
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 6: team period. At the other end, yep, no contract, Well
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 6: we can make one.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 5: I mean it is fun because I mean we're doing
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 5: the show and we're trying to watch and talk and
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 5: and there's a lot going on. But it's always interesting
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 5: to me then to go back through the Twitter feed
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 5: to see what other people. Yeah, how long I was
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 5: what I didn't even see practice?
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that happened a little yesterday.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: It's sorely in there now.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 6: Oh boy, you guys are a little harsh on the
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 6: third quarter of it.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry. I don't want to do it, but like,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 5: I've never seen it look non functional as consistent as
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 5: it is with him, Like.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 15: Oh boy, did you see Tim Tebow? No, no, that's
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 15: and that's did you see Cam Newton? Come on, McClellan,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 15: that was something.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: Do you know his middle name?
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 5: Of course I do, McClellan.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: Man, what.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 5: You're finger wagging us with the wrong name?
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: Mcsorlely and that's outside.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like Malie Cunningham had a step there too.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's funny, you know it's uh, you just said
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 5: Malie Cunningham's name, Paul, you did. I'm like, man, I
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 5: haven't even haven't thought of him once, and all of
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: a sudden, I haven't seen him much kind of pops up.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: But I did say blood so Josh Bledsoe was getting
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 5: some run at safety. I mean it seems like Mapho's
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: working in as safety pretty much full time now, Sorry, Evan.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 6: Much of the dismay of yeah, lazare and I haven't comment.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 5: I haven't really gotten a glimpse at key On White
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: doing much either.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 6: Nope, not a ton.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 5: The only time I thought about him is when I
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 5: see Ronnie Perkins sorely running.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 6: Oh, we definitely need to see he would again doctors
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 6: come on.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 5: Still though he seems like he's doing a lot of
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 5: spectating because this is like the two's right here, I
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 5: mean you got I mean you know these are even
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 5: beyond that, right for the Ronnie Perks, Sam Robbers, Sonny's car.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 6: Washer, Jeremiah Jeremiah Farms.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 5: Ocasi shut you him out just talking about Yeah, this
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 5: is down in the dregs.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: Sorely a lot of JJ.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 7: Taylor getting some questions about Christian Gonzales. I think people
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 7: are reading tweets of Parker beating him and then Juju
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 7: beat him, and but I think you know, he he's
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 7: riding the wave a little bit of a rookie in
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 7: the first couple of days. But there are just so
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 7: many signs that I think are really positive of just
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 7: him understanding his body positioning, understanding his role in the coverage.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 7: And he obviously moves well. So it's not all he's
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 7: a corner. He's gonna get beat sometimes, it's not going
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 7: to be perfect every single time, and he's not gonna
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 7: suffocate every single guy every single snaps. But I think
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 7: he's he's been.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 5: Fine with the ones now at at I guess we
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 5: call it right edge.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 7: It's a big dude.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 13: Back backed in.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: Tim Tim, our friend from Duncan says, I agree with
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: Evan for what it's worth, having been to many of
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: the season ticket holder practices. I also thought that last
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: year's was more competitive than previous years.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 6: There's one guy on Evan's side. I can tell you
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 6: from being at all twenty of them. They've flipped all
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 6: the same.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 5: I have no recollection. Yeah, except for they had pads
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 5: on last year. Yeah, they don't usually again, no June
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 5: on team periods. So you got ki on White. That's
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 5: kind of interesting. Ye Kim White now defensive end. This
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 5: is more like he played when he was in Georgia Tech.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: Sergia wants to know if we've seen or heard anything
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: with Jalen Hurd.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 5: Uh not today. I thought he looked pretty athletic running yesterday.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 6: He is smooth, yea silk running absolutely, but he's not
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 6: great size, but he just got here like I think
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 6: he's like one of the plays I noticed him lining
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 6: up yesterday. It looked like he didn't know exactly where
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 6: he's supposed to be, which is completely understandable.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, he's been here for like three days, right,
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 5: But it is a little bit of intrigue. I mean,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 5: if I was him, I would be looking my chops
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 5: at the opportunity that exists here. All right, one's back
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 5: out there, Thornton Bourne too tight.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 6: So fifty one pretty much took guys spot because this
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 6: is bar more with with Godshaw.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's on the he's on the right edge now,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 5: yeah right, yeah, So it's this barrage of him with
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 5: this is just a just in the middle, no chance
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 5: Mac back of the it's on a born Marcus. Joe
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 5: pretty to cover from Marcus.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 7: I don't want to, you know, I don't know what
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 7: taekwon Thornton. See they're talking about it right now, Like
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 7: I don't know what Taekwon Thornton's route is there, but
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 7: they're talking about it now. And this is one thing
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 7: that he's got to clean up. It looked like the
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 7: corner had to leverage the opposite direction, which he broke
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 7: right like her. He ran into it and Matt's what
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 7: Mac is talking about it with him right now. And
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 7: if he had ran, if he had cut it off
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 7: the other direction, he would have been wide open. And
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 7: those are just the little things that he came up
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 7: last year too with this route running that he's got
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 7: to work on for sure if he's gonna be a
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 7: big contributed It was a.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: Slow walk back to the uh, the group takwon.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 7: So that's that's as come on, that's the best thing.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the best play I've seen out of Juju
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 6: where he quick quick move, cut inside and cut the touchdown.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 6: Who was that again against? Was that Mark? I think
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 6: that was on Marcus Marcus Jones right, So that that.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 7: Was a vintage Patriots pull the guard play action, get
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 7: the linebackers to bite and create that one on one
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 7: and Juju Juju beat him. Good practice so far from Juju,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 7: I got him with like three or four catches, all right,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 7: yeah two tuddies?
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: Is that JJ in the backfield? Yeah?
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 5: Ooh, nice to see there you go?
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: That that plays over see these are that's the thing
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: that that scares you.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 5: It's just right underneath Riley Reef. And I mean, I
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 5: think he's a good player, but I.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 7: Really am trying very very hard, uh to not over
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 7: evaluate the offensive line in defensive line without pads on,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 7: because look, when Riley Reeve can hit somebody, it's a
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 7: totally different game, right, And that's totally fair. But his
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 7: foot speed slow, I mean, he's he's just.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 5: That's what stands out at this point, his ability to
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 5: get to.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 7: That landmark and and get himself in that past.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 6: Let's to check in with Andy on that Fred. Everybody
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 6: was it Big Cat Williams when he came and he
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 6: was going through the pads with the footwork, and he
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 6: was like he can't play, and he couldn't.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: He left, Oh, there's a pick for dugger and Mac
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: does some Mac does some push ups after that. That
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: was ill advised.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 9: So that's again a movie down.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 6: Can I just tell you, I know, I get I
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 6: get accused of being the Mac basher, and I guess
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 6: sometimes that's accurate. That's the throw he keeps doing. He
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 6: does not have the arm strength to run one way
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 6: and throw the other. It will not ever get there.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 7: And I'm with you one hundred percent, So why are
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 7: they asking him to do.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 6: It like he and I don't think they're asking him
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 6: to throw across his body.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 7: I don't think so either. But every time they move
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 7: the pocket, it does not go well. Every time they
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 7: asked him to get out and bootleg or move the pocket,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 7: that was just that was just a rollout. That wasn't
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 7: a true boot it was just a one roll out.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: But in that case, he just threw it right to
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: do so.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 6: You have to throw the ball to the outside, not
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 6: the inside.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 7: I hear you, guys. I just I don't want it
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 7: in the.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: Good good pass and catch socle Zappi down the middle.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 6: I mean, you know what they say that Zappy SoCal
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 6: connection is.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, Zappi comes in a Montana spark.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 5: You can't stop it.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: It's a little spark plug that kid.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 6: I think that's why Mac was as upset with himself
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 6: as he was, because I think that's one of those
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 6: that brain part. He's gonna watch the film and they're
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 6: gonna say, Mac, we've talked about this.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 7: I know, I know, take every single thing that gets
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 7: him outside the pocket, rollouts, bootlegs, throw it in the
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 7: trash can and burn it. It's not his game.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 5: I agree with you one hundred percent past breakup by.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry for that. I'm though I don't mean to
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 6: agree with you. I know it draws the it draws
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 6: the ire of some.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: It's not becoming.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: That last play. Zappy had to pump it once say
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: he wasn't decisive with them.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 6: On coverage by to got the hand in there, score
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 6: more with four.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: That's that's what they're saying, Yeah.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 5: Fred Kurs, I don't that's not as good as the
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 5: hell though.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 6: Oh they can't all be winners.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: Oh stepped up, step received, but you will receive.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 6: Total consciousness, no credit amount on the original step up
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 6: was nice, but then he hid in the banged to
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 6: one of his line.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: Not sure if he didn't go over the line of
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: scrimmage there, So direction.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 6: Time you think?
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 5: So do you think our friends down on the burn
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 5: mound are they? Are we coming out of today with
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 5: a there might be a quarterback competition headline? Is that
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 5: what that they're going to be saying?
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 6: Oh? Interesting?
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 5: You know it's interesting.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 7: The frustrating part and for me is board up until
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 7: up until the interception that he just threw to Dugger,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 7: which was not a good decision. I thought that that
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 7: was like the best stretch of team that.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 6: Back has had.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 7: I do agree, like even going all the way back
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 7: to the spring. So I was ready to be like, oh,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 7: you know what, that was a step forward for the
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 7: offense today. You know that looked a lot smoother like
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 7: that touchdown past the juju that is exactly how it's
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 7: drawn up on the highteboard. That was good as hell.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 7: And then they was a pick like it's just like
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 7: two steps forward, one step back, and that that's frustrating.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 6: It is so ZAPPI just gave the guy we were
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 6: just talking about Heard a chance to make a play
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 6: back shoulder ish a little bit. Throw was a little
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 6: behind him. Thought he could have come down with it
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 6: though when he.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 5: Didn't, is that I think Brodney Randall and covers.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 6: This well, which you know it's tough to shake. Yeah,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 6: are squared.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: Square back to the end zone.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 5: Oh he's quick though, man, I mean, terrible.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: Defense, but you got to catch the ball. But the
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: good closing speed there. And forty three?
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 5: Who's forty three, big Calvin Munson, Yeah, yeah, I don't
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 5: think it's forty three.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 6: I think it's thirteen.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, Jack Jones, Okay, I don't know.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 5: I mean I I liked I liked how Heard looked
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 5: out of the break on that one though. For a
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 5: big guy, he threw the brakes on and away.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 6: I mean you could see he was a running back.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 6: I mean you can see, like how how quick is
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 6: he he's he's very smooth for a guy that size.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 6: He runs really well.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 5: He's just got to make a play or else it's
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 5: gonna be over for him before it begins. Go Zappie again,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 5: Rally Webb.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 6: Making it look easy. I don't know about easy as Pepper,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 6: but that was my points as Pepper's puts the fist
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 6: up for fourth down. I'm not sure anybody touched him
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 6: before he got in the end zone.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 5: But I do wonder though, with you know, everybody talking
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 5: about Devin mccorty, how they're gonna replace him. I mean,
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 5: it seems pretty straightforward what they're gonna do. They're gonna
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 5: play three safety and you know, I just don't know
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 5: if they're gonna play all of them at once a
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 5: lot or ken one of the fourth guys be it
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: Mapu Bledsoe Mills. Can one of those guys break into
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 5: the rotation and actually, you know, develop a set of
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 5: you know, a package that fits them or you know
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 5: works that.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so that's an RPO. Yeah, so you had to
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 7: run play with the screen attached. Now what I and
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 7: you know, Bill O'Brien so far has is like a
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 7: plus plus. Like everything they're doing I love what they're doing.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 7: What I'm waiting for is the downfield routes off of it, right, Like,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 7: the screens are cool, but like, can we hit like
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 7: a five step slant so that we can so that
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 7: Matt can hit Juju on the run and then all
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 7: of a sudden that five yard slant becomes a twenty
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 7: five yard slant right game, Those are the Those are
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 7: the types of things that I am looking for. They
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 7: did the screen stuff a little bit last year, Like
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 7: we can say what we want about Matt Patricia, but
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 7: last year they had a little bit of that in
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 7: their bag. This year they need to get to that
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 7: next step of throwing down the field off the RPOs.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 5: What's funny is that, you know, you notice a lot
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 5: of the the highlights that you see from other teams
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 5: putting out there, Like the Jets, they're doing a lot
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 5: of middle of field stuff, so there's a lot of
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 5: chance for downfield plays, big plays, exciting highlights. And when
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 5: you start in the red zone, it's really you know,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 5: tight windows can test the catches. It's not as sexy,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 5: you know, the highlights aren't as sexy in the right
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 5: you just got to the core of why they start
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 5: in the red zone, right exactly, that's where it's hard.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 7: Yesterday they had a Jets clip as Trace McSorley is
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 7: is quarterbacking right now as some of the backup side
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 7: of a Sauce Gardener going up against Garret Wilson in practice.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just like man must TV right.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 7: Like I don't care about Aaron Rodgers, but like the
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 7: fact that that team has those two guys for the
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 7: next ten years, is that's what you want, Like, that's
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 7: what that's what you want, Like a a stud young
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 7: receiver against the stud young corner. Like if they had
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 7: a receiver like that here, that Christian Gonzalez.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 5: Could just go to toe to toe with what they
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 5: do well, it's like when good players go against each other,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 5: it's like good they make each other better, right.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 7: Clip That was Robert Salas. What Robert Salas said was
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 7: was exactly that that they're gonna those two guys are
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 7: going to make each other great, you know, going up against.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 5: Each other in practice greatness makes we're gonna be ready
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 5: to produce something.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 6: Field goals here to close it out and looks like
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 6: closing it as we predicted. Oh yeah, we're at We're overtime.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 5: All right, I could sit here.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 6: All day, really practica start till nine forty eleven fifteen
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 6: according to the schedule.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: Oh really? Okay?
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 5: All right, so today's Ryland's turning.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 6: Where's teatrich twice?
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 5: Whe's t wise when you need to see him?
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 6: Not good?
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 5: Did anyone tap them up?
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: So this is twenty thirty seven thirty three.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: Thirty three yard line snap ball down, kick us up
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: and true and good.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 7: I think the Twitter versus freaking now about mac Jones's
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 7: start the camp and uh, you know the fact that
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 7: two days in a row to Kyle Duggar interception, This
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 7: is all all our fault.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah, this is the incessant need to chart
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  Speaker 6: and record every play leads to this kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 7: Couldn't agree more.
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  Speaker 6: Look at me defending mac Jones. It's who the fuck
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  Speaker 6: it the problem?
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  Speaker 7: The part that I get frustrated about, not to go
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  Speaker 7: all all nuclear on my colleagues, but it's the lack
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  Speaker 7: of context, right, It's like, okay, so he went one
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  Speaker 7: for three in a seven on seven red zone period.
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  Speaker 7: All three throws were high point fades in the back
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  Speaker 7: of the end zone to the tight end, Like there's
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  Speaker 7: no space like there there's nobody open, like really open open,
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  Speaker 7: Like let's just let's wait till they get in between
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  Speaker 7: the twenties, Like if it still doesn't, if there's still
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  Speaker 7: nobody to throw to and it's still a struggle to
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  Speaker 7: complete passes once they have some space to operate in, Like,
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  Speaker 7: then I'm with you that maybe it start to time
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  Speaker 7: to to get a little bit worried. But to get
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  Speaker 7: worried because it's you know, MIKEASICKI is is battling Kyle
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  Speaker 7: Dugger in the back of the end zone and the
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  Speaker 7: past falls incomplete. I just I can't get all that
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  Speaker 7: that concerned about stuff like that.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I still feel better about this offense right
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  Speaker 5: now then I feel like I was feeling in camp.
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  Speaker 5: Not to say that I feel great or then I'm
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 5: overly optimistic, but it just it looks like they've got
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  Speaker 5: a plan. It looks like they know what they're doing.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, it's not quite clicking on all cylinders yet.
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  Speaker 5: But what offense is clicking on all cylinders in day
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  Speaker 5: to a training camp without pat did see City sow
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  Speaker 5: get a little bit of work? Sorry City? So do
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  Speaker 5: we ever get do we ever fear that one out.
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  Speaker 12: I got to get them.
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  Speaker 6: It's so.
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  Speaker 5: With city. So so he got he got some some
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  Speaker 5: right tackle reps there down near the end. So working
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  Speaker 5: in it is a little bit surprising. But with s Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: that's three. That's a little.
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  Speaker 1: A little different right now, the three quarterbacks with Bill o'brown, I.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 5: Looks like a Rylin hit that one too.
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