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- 0:00OK, good morning. We are doing kila karem rish
- 0:02saadi vav. Hopefully we will finish the
- 0:05Simon. By the way, it was in the
- 0:07Haftara and this in Rosh Hashanah.
- 0:09Second day Rosh Hashanah, if you look back in your meow, it
- 0:12mentions. The word twice.
- 0:14Regarding the Karim, Mahal and Mahal.
- 0:17It's. It wasn't referring to the
- 0:19Karim, it was referring to the dancing.
- 0:21And in the future we'll be together again with the Kaddish
- 0:24Barkhu in Yerushalayim dancing and or like a Hassan Kala
- 0:29dances. And so you have the reference.
- 0:31It also does talk about the Crummins.
- 0:33And you Met you has it all there in second day Rosh Hashanah.
- 0:37Haftara. So that's.
- 0:39Reference to our Mehul Akaren. OK, now what I wanted to point
- 0:45out. Was a bit about.
- 0:47Numbers. We're going to come across it
- 0:48again today. So I'll just go back real fast.
- 0:51Remember and amma is how many talking.
- 0:55Six. Very good.
- 0:56So. 6th volume is in an AMA. How many ETS?
- 0:59Both are there in a tefa. 44 fingers, our thumbs and so we.
- 1:05Generally assume. Halacha distance.
- 1:08Of a tefa is. Four fingers.
- 1:10That means 4 ETS, both 24 fingers in an AMA.
- 1:14So when we say 1. 48th of. An it's 1/2 an but I was trying
- 1:19to say is when we come to when we mention one 160th of an AMA.
- 1:24It's actually a little bit less. Than a hetsy.
- 1:28EDSPA just a little bit less. So it's a bit.
- 1:31Less than 1 centimeter, according to Kaimna.
- 1:34Closer to 1 centimeter or a bit more maybe, I don't know,
- 1:37according to the class Unish. And we're going to see how that
- 1:40comes up again. So right, because there's. 2cm
- 1:45in In EDSPA according to Al Qaimna and be a drop more
- 1:50according to the Khazunish now. Let's.
- 1:52We'll keep reading and we'll come back to the numbers and
- 1:55we'll see how it how it fits into today.
- 1:57As well. Samer bet gefanim shahayu
- 2:02zeruimba madrega gavoa viha. Aris, Sheila Yodze.
- 2:07Omesaha al asadeh. OK, so let's say you have it was
- 2:14common, you know, the ground is isn't always flat.
- 2:18It's. Sometimes you have natural steps
- 2:21in the ground, or you have. Hills so it.
- 2:25Farmers would sometimes shovel, dig a little bit and somewhere
- 2:29in the middle. So you end up with, right?
- 2:32So you end up with it. Basically flat.
- 2:35But then when you go from level to level, you're going to end up
- 2:38having a step. So if you have basically you
- 2:42have two levels 2. Ground 2 levels of the ground,
- 2:44one's higher than the other. And let's say you plant your
- 2:48vines on the higher level and right next door and you step
- 2:53down, you have your, your, your yard, your farmland continues.
- 2:57And on that there you want to plant tuvua right, green,
- 3:02whatever. It is produce.
- 3:05So now along the step you have in Aris, let's say.
- 3:10You have a lot, a lot of. Aris in you have a lot.
- 3:12Of these all. Over the place vineyards and you
- 3:15have your vineyard going with your.
- 3:17Aris all the way up right this trellis, whatever it is, all the
- 3:21way up to the edge of this. Step and because.
- 3:24Of the Aris. It now extends.
- 3:26Over a little bit over the step, OK and you're so.
- 3:31Eem omed Bharats, you're standing on the.
- 3:34Lower level. Right.
- 3:35So you want to know on the lower level, you want to plant your.
- 3:38Your produce, your vegetables. You want to know how close can
- 3:42you plant them to the? To the step.
- 3:46Can you get? Right up.
- 3:47To the step or not. So.
- 3:50I am OMID. Bharats who boats there at Kulo.
- 3:53If the step is not too deep, not a big enough step, you're able
- 3:57to stand there and. Still reach.
- 4:00The vines comfortably and and harvest them right or whatever
- 4:05tend to them. Whatever you do right, harvest
- 4:07them. Rowen kol makkolm chitaka
- 4:09taharis kilu makkolm. Eat Gray.
- 4:12I'll go find him. So basically, if the step isn't.
- 4:15Too much and you can you can tend to them, right, because the
- 4:20Arias itself is going to be a little bit high.
- 4:22It's going to be at least 10s Fahim high.
- 4:25The point is on the upper. Level.
- 4:27You have an. Arias so that.
- 4:29Is already going to be at least 10s Fahim high.
- 4:31Now you're going to go down the step and you want to be able to
- 4:34reach it comfortably. To harvest, so the.
- 4:40Derek Homuna. He writes it.
- 4:43Chaim Kanievsky here. It's all he.
- 4:44Writes it's needs. Generally it's less.
- 4:47Than Fort Fahim. Is.
- 4:48Considered the same plane more than four, it's Fakhim.
- 4:53He says we. Assume it's more than four.
- 4:56It's Fakhim. Is too far of a step.
- 4:59What happens is if you're on the.
- 5:00Lower level and you want to reach over well you already.
- 5:04Lost. At a disadvantage of at least 10
- 5:06fakhim plus. Because your Arias is above the.
- 5:09Ground. Now you're lower.
- 5:11So if you're. Lower than he.
- 5:13I don't, I don't. I can't attest to it, but.
- 5:16So he writes. He writes Ford.
- 5:17Tvahim I'm not sure, I would assumed you have more than Ford.
- 5:19Tvahim Maybe it's a Mahocus? I didn't really see anyone
- 5:22discuss that sheer. It just.
- 5:25Says in the Shahanarak and in the Mishnah, as long as you're
- 5:28you can stand there and you can you can harvest.
- 5:31I didn't see anyone give a sheer but I just pointed that out
- 5:34there but. Basically if.
- 5:36You're down below and you can't reach it.
- 5:39So now we consider. It like 2.
- 5:41Different levels of land and two different lands you're.
- 5:44They're separate if. You can reach, right?
- 5:47It's only a. Step of let's say, but let's
- 5:49say. It's too Takim.
- 5:50It's a small step, Lakuli alma. That's not going to make a
- 5:53difference for you. You can still reach for sure.
- 5:56We consider it. One flat land talukhakli, and
- 5:59there's no separation. Is a Midget or if he's an
- 6:03average person or. If he, I don't know.
- 6:05I I would. Assume you go by Robin Adam.
- 6:08But so then let's keep reading. That means one plane, one level.
- 6:15The. Ulcer, Arba Amos.
- 6:16Basade le Cole. Ruach.
- 6:18Misafa Taharis. And then you have to be like, we
- 6:21learned 4 Amos away. But if you can't, right?
- 6:27This is the lesson that's in the mission and the there's no
- 6:31numbers given. They just.
- 6:32Say if it's too too low. Down where you can't reach.
- 6:36Now you need to get on a ladder. Or a step stool.
- 6:39All right, or whatever it is Ayn ansur lizroa ella takata Aris
- 6:44milvad. So then you're allowed to plant
- 6:48immediately next. To the step.
- 6:50Immediately up along that wall, as long as when you look up
- 6:55Kilu, when the vegetable looks straight up in the sky, he
- 6:58doesn't have any gefanim, any of the vines hanging over him.
- 7:03Oh, OK, also. You can't be, it can't be under.
- 7:05Well, we know that, Pifi wrote. Wherever the vines are going to
- 7:08grow, it can't be under the the vines.
- 7:12Or the Aris. Even though the vine didn't grow
- 7:15there yet. This is the.
- 7:16Halafa of having. Two separate levels.
- 7:19Of ground there's also we learned, and it doesn't take
- 7:23away from the halacha that we learned that if you end up
- 7:26having. A.
- 7:27A wall. Of tent Fahim A.
- 7:29Mahitza also separates. This halacha is teaching you
- 7:33even if you don't have a halacha.
- 7:34Wall of tent, Fahim. You still can.
- 7:37Can be considered two different levels and you can plant right
- 7:41up to it. OK, this is in addition to the
- 7:45halacha of a wall. OK, some this would be the same
- 7:49Alaka would be if the carom is on the upper level and you don't
- 7:52have an Aris and you're just planting on the ground a whole
- 7:55vineyard, it's the same alaka. If.
- 7:58You can't reach it now you'll be able to reach.
- 8:00It probably. Because you don't.
- 8:02You're losing that. OK, practically.
- 8:05Speaking, you're not going to get there too often because.
- 8:08You'll be able to reach. Samakimo schneik talima smukhim
- 8:13zelazev akafani natuim bizavit binayam.
- 8:15So this case is if you have. Two walls that meet each other.
- 8:24At a right angle, right an L shape and yet so you end up
- 8:27having a corner in between them, right?
- 8:30Bizavit Binayam. We have.
- 8:32Arisi otse emukh talim mitak hakaren vakalam.
- 8:35OK. Basically you have what we would
- 8:38consider. A row of. 5 vines along the
- 8:44wall. Normally if you have 5 vines
- 8:47along a wall and it's 10 fucking high with the vine going on top
- 8:50of it, that's called an. Aris right here.
- 8:54The problem is you don't have five in a row.
- 8:57You have three and two because you have a bent wall.
- 9:00Obviously, if you'd have. 5:00 and 5:00 then that's 100% in
- 9:04Aris. The case over here is.
- 9:06You have a bent. Wall or two.
- 9:08Walls right the corner and you have three on one wall and 2:00
- 9:12on the other. Is that contiguous?
- 9:14Does that make it into an Aris or not?
- 9:16So let's keep reading. You would say.
- 9:23You only have to be. 6. Talking away Vizarrea.
- 9:27If you look if you're. Standing in the corner and you
- 9:30walk away from the corner along the walls, one wall has 31, wall
- 9:34has two, and it's basically just telling you it's not called an
- 9:38Aris. In order to be an Aris, you have
- 9:40to have five in a row or the rows and all the other
- 9:43configurations that we learned. If it's broken up because it's
- 9:47not five in a row, it's bent, then it is not an Aris and you
- 9:52only have to be 6. Fuck him away with Zaria,
- 9:55Malcolm, Kala, Shane. I love Shane.
- 9:59I love. Aris.
- 10:00And you can, and you can right at the edge of it, you can just
- 10:04remark 6th Fahim away from anywhere, from anywhere of this
- 10:08Arias or the vines. You go 6th Fahim away because
- 10:11this is not an Arias the alpha. Pisha Zerah.
- 10:14Mehuvan bein schnik talim shibineim shibineim.
- 10:18Harris, Kashiwaris, Zaria. Binek Talim, even though you end
- 10:23up being somewhere within this right angle, like if you were to
- 10:28make a line from the edge the the last vine on each wall, kind
- 10:33of like a diagonal, you could even be planting within that
- 10:36diagonal. That's not a problem.
- 10:38You can plant anywhere within this right angle as long as.
- 10:41You are 6. Fucking away from any of the the
- 10:46vines. OK, Sam Ekdalid Gaffin Shala
- 10:52Eights Shala Mina Arts Not So you plant a vine.
- 10:57Now anyone who's planted a vine or plants knows that when it
- 11:01first. Starts to grow it's soft, right
- 11:05it's it starts out as a. Soft, malleable, shoot whatever
- 11:09it's green and you can can move it a little bit.
- 11:11Well, it depends, obviously. What?
- 11:13What Shree? And what we're talking about,
- 11:14especially with the vine. But there is.
- 11:17Some there's some give so it can grow and it's going to and it
- 11:21can curve and do all whatever it wants to do until it turns into
- 11:25later on a vine or other stuff will turn into wood.
- 11:29When initially it comes out of the ground, If it makes an
- 11:32immediate as it comes out of the ground, it makes an immediate
- 11:36turn on its side, like a a full was it 90° angle and it
- 11:41immediately goes follows and is lying along the ground via
- 11:47Kharka Nekam. And then it makes another turn
- 11:51and it goes upward, the Nimsha. Al Aritz, the.
- 11:55Khazar the Allah and then so now it's going up.
- 11:58In other words, when it first. Grew.
- 12:00It started. Obviously you planted it under
- 12:01the ground, so it started it. Shoot.
- 12:03It shooted up upward. Above the ground, soon as it
- 12:06came into airspace, it turned and is crawling along the ground
- 12:11and then it continues and now later on it's it.
- 12:13Shoots upwards. Kemo.
- 12:15Arkuva, Perush, Kara. Da da da meilanun khula
- 12:19basically like kani whatever you a joint kisha modadine.
- 12:24Now the question. Is where?
- 12:27Let me just read. So when you come to measure the
- 12:29distance, vena, gaffe and vena. Zera, right?
- 12:32Here is your vine and you want to plant your wheat.
- 12:36So then how far away do you need to be?
- 12:38Whether it's shisha. Tsfahim or Arba Amos?
- 12:41Where do you start? That right?
- 12:43Where do you take out your measuring tape and start
- 12:45counting? AIM Modadine, LMI sulfar, Akuva
- 12:48LO MI Ikaragaf and Harishon. So.
- 12:51It. Where?
- 12:53Do you start counting from? Where it shoots.
- 12:55Above the ground, now the. The Arshothan says it's this is.
- 13:02Where, Where it bends and goes above the ground, Yeah.
- 13:04That's right. So.
- 13:05Arshothan writes that this is La Kumra, so it sounds like you
- 13:09would have to from both ends. You have to be Markik.
- 13:12I'm not sure that's what. He writes.
- 13:15But. Here, right if that thing
- 13:18stretches out four animals across the ground, you can plant
- 13:21vegetables right next to the E car.
- 13:23Is that possible? Anything's possible.
- 13:27OK, so anyway, so that's the that's because.
- 13:31And because that's where you notice it going above the ground
- 13:34and that's where we calling the the Ichra vine to be to.
- 13:39Distance, right? That's where you see it, that's
- 13:40where it's. Niqar, right much of the halafas
- 13:43of Kilaim and how far apart is based on what's visible and and
- 13:49perception. OK, some Hey, Karnit, Bert,
- 13:54Alpha, Bishop, Mark Menezer, Meneghev and Kashir.
- 13:57Right. So we learned there's a sheer on
- 13:59how far away you need to be all right, whether it's. 6 or 4?
- 14:03Sorry, Kalizar. Shalotte sakha Geffen al a yarek
- 14:07or a yarek al ha Geffen. So the halacha is also and it
- 14:11goes either way that the. Geffen is not allowed to be
- 14:15directly above the. Vine can be directly above the.
- 14:18Produce the vegetables or the wheat.
- 14:20And so too, the vegetable cannot be directly above the Geffen.
- 14:24And it seems clear from from all of the Mamre Khazzal we've shown
- 14:29him that it there's no limit how tall, how high apart when, when
- 14:35there's a lateral distance. So then there's an issue or
- 14:39there's an issue of tentvachem. Tentvachem above, that's when
- 14:45there's when it's not directly above it.
- 14:47So then that has ramifications, but if it's.
- 14:51Directly above. Then, and that's also what's in
- 14:55the Mishnai, Derek Hamuna and the Mishnaius of Art scroll.
- 14:58Clearly says. There's no limit.
- 15:00If it's above. It then that's a definite
- 15:03problem. I mean there are abundant at
- 15:05least samitvaf. Zara Yarek Ottevo.
- 15:08Of it samkha now. Let's say you.
- 15:12Planted. Get an open field, right?
- 15:14There's nothing there. And you came and you planted
- 15:16your vegetables or grain, no problem.
- 15:18And it grew. Great.
- 15:20Yeah, Kharkar seekh aleha at a Geffen.
- 15:24Now, later on you planted a vine and again it was far away.
- 15:28Everything was done kosher of Ayoshir.
- 15:30And then the vine came, and it. Covered as it grew.
- 15:35Now it's covering, so from the ikar of the ground, it's far
- 15:39away. There's no problem whatsoever.
- 15:41However, it grew on top of it, right?
- 15:43Grew above it and now it's. Right.
- 15:47It's hovering, it's shading over the.
- 15:50The the produce. So what's the?
- 15:51Halacha hakashi mutarin. So the non edible portion right?
- 15:58Like the? Straw or whatever it is.
- 16:00The wood that. Leaves.
- 16:01All of that is going to be mutter to.
- 16:03Use. We had the gun.
- 16:05What's edible? Whether it's the fruit, whether
- 16:07it's the grapes, whatever it is that you Dalek.
- 16:10You have to. You burn it.
- 16:11It's that's what's going to be Aser Behana who was planted
- 16:15together. So then even the caution would
- 16:17be us. All right, That we learned in
- 16:19the very beginning. See if you know what you said
- 16:21something like that. OK, Samer Zain.
- 16:25Now are you a Shorcha gefeniotzi mutoharbama Shabina Karim,
- 16:30Shabina Karim. Now this.
- 16:33Case is, so it was all. Planted away from each other,
- 16:37right? But now the Shorashim are
- 16:39growing. Now usually they grow what I
- 16:42don't know what the. Farshim say is.
- 16:43Straight up and down. But here they were growing
- 16:47sideways under the. Roots.
- 16:49The roots. The roots.
- 16:50The roots are growing now. I will.
- 16:54I'll leave this as a little bit of it.
- 16:56Sorry for you to do some homework.
- 16:58The the grass seems to. Say it's talking about, we're
- 17:01only talking about within the roots are growing within 3T
- 17:06fakim. My understanding is below the
- 17:09ground within 3T fakim of the ground because once it's below
- 17:123, Tvahrim we say. It's out of its.
- 17:15Jurisdiction, it's no problem if they're on top of each other,
- 17:21right above each other. So then that's a real problem
- 17:24here we're talking about. So.
- 17:28If we're talking about it's within, but if it's in the
- 17:34ground within 3 Tvahrim if it's near.
- 17:37If it's still just near each other here, we said.
- 17:41Within Dalit Amos. So the question is, what if
- 17:44they're with? They're.
- 17:45Within the Dalit Amos. But they're not.
- 17:49Above each other yet. So according to the reading of
- 17:52the Shulkanara here. It seems to.
- 17:55Be a problem however. Based.
- 18:00There are kamuna here, and based on what we learned earlier, or
- 18:04at least in the Rambam, he's saying this case must be
- 18:09referring. To the shirash, and the roots
- 18:12are. Above the ground.
- 18:14Because we're not worried about roots.
- 18:17Below the ground we're only worried about.
- 18:19Roots. Above the ground.
- 18:20If it's the roots of the. Geffen and then.
- 18:24Yakkor so. I'm not going to be makriya
- 18:26between the Hamuna and the GRA or the shot because the.
- 18:30Shot of. Samer Zain is.
- 18:33It's 1 SIF and. That we're.
- 18:36Always talking about either above and below.
- 18:39That's how you would normally read it.
- 18:41But when you keep reading, but hayusha tavua yotsina talk arba
- 18:46Amos. But if?
- 18:48The Sharashim are continuing to grow within.
- 18:52If it's the roots of the tavua. That are going within the roots
- 18:55of the Geffen. So then it's 100% mutter and we
- 19:02learned also that that's mutter even if it's within to reach
- 19:06Fahim. So.
- 19:08I'm not sure that the Derek Hamuna wants to say what the
- 19:11first case is above the ground. The second race, say for the
- 19:14second-half, is below the ground.
- 19:17I I can't say I understand 100% or to be Macria between him and
- 19:22the grad. The grad shakhanar does not make
- 19:24a distinction so well leave it like that.
- 19:28I'm not sure if it's below. Or above.
- 19:34See, even if it's not intermingled, Even if it's not,
- 19:37if they're intermingled and one is above the other.
- 19:40So then if everyone agrees, it's a problem if the sharashim are
- 19:44intermingled and one's above the other.
- 19:46Everybody says it's a problem unless you have at least.
- 19:49Three talking of. Dirt separating.
- 19:52The two. That's for sure.
- 19:53Clear the one Suffolk again I'm confused about.
- 19:59Is what if it's? They're not touching.
- 20:01They're within Dalit Amos and it's within three of the dirt or
- 20:05each other and okay, fine. Let's let's.
- 20:09Go on from here, Samer. Okay Kolar hakot vashi orim
- 20:15whenever we're telling you about keeping distances and Shiv Urim,
- 20:19it's important to know we're talking I'm wearing the Kilaim
- 20:21whenever we're talking about Kilaim, the shilafenar writes a
- 20:24we're talking about a the AMA bat shisha Fahim sohakot.
- 20:29We're talking about four fahim 1/6 fahim, an AMA that has 6th
- 20:35fahim that are sohakot. In other words, sohakot means a
- 20:39smile, another. Khazal used expression sohakot
- 20:43they also. Use the expression of Meru
- 20:46Vakim. That's where it's spread out.
- 20:49In other words, you can line up your.
- 20:51Fingers all your. Fingers together or you can line
- 20:54up. All of your.
- 20:55Your your your hands all four fingers together 6 times till
- 20:59you reach your AMA. When you line them all up, are
- 21:03you tightly pressing against each other and or is it relaxed?
- 21:07And it's a little bit stretched. Out and that's the difference.
- 21:11What is the difference so Khazal?
- 21:12Says farshim. Postgame, say it's Hetzi Atspa.
- 21:17For an AMA, you add one out of. 48.
- 21:22Right. That's comes into the math that
- 21:24we start at the beginning of the sheer and that is approximately
- 21:292% right was one out of 50. Would be 2%.
- 21:32So you have to add to whatever your sheer that you're
- 21:35following, whether it's Akhayana, Khazanish or Moshe,
- 21:38whatever sheer you're following, you add 2% and that would make
- 21:42it. Sokhakote versus.
- 21:46Mitsumsamot or Atsuvote? That's the opposite.
- 21:49Sad or tight against each other? Those are the.
- 21:54The two expressions in Khazan and there Kamuna points out and
- 21:59it's seems seems pretty clear from the Sholkhanara and
- 22:02Mishnabura in Shin Samuh Gilmel where we learned by Helchus
- 22:06Erivi that the. The the rule is.
- 22:09And that's also the Rambam that. And so I think we'll just follow
- 22:13that, even though he mentions the word Kilaim over here.
- 22:16But he says. The Shokanar himself.
- 22:19Talks about it by. Erubin, it's Kaval.
- 22:23Anyway, so we always go. Lakhomra, that's the bottom line
- 22:28whenever. The sheer is.
- 22:30Lakhomra, that's whenever the whatever.
- 22:33The sheer. That we're talking about, the
- 22:34halacha we're talking about, we always go lakhomra if you need.
- 22:38To be far away, so we add this 2%.
- 22:41If you needed. To be close to each other.
- 22:43So we don't add. The 2%?
- 22:45And that makes no difference if it's a dinderiser dinderabana,
- 22:49even by dinderabana. Because we say it's.
- 22:52Over there in the beer Allah. We say it's closer, Yadiya.
- 22:56It in that case, even by Dindi Derabana and we go Kumra.
- 23:01When it's a lack of knowledge, we even go to Kumra.
- 23:04But many say perhaps. That if it's a Suffolk.
- 23:07Dera banan then you can go la kula, then it turns into a
- 23:11fixed. Vehicle but it's a Suffolk
- 23:12should. Do we go?
- 23:13By spread out the bigger sheer or a Suffolk should.
- 23:17We go by the smaller. Sheer What are the Kodish
- 23:18Sparkle? Have in mind.
- 23:20So since that. Was a Suffolk and that's.
- 23:21So that's that's how we treat it.
- 23:23You always treat it la. Kumra depending on what the.
- 23:27Halacha is. OK, no, fine.
- 23:29Well, the last. Alacha puts arts we'll get to.
- 23:32Tomorrow.