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D.C. Reacts to Biden's Cancer News · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Jon Lovett. I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 2: Lots to get through today. Trump's call with Putin, America's
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  Speaker 2: credit downgrade, Republicans making even deeper Medicaid cuts, another Supreme
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  Speaker 2: Court ruling against Trump, Kash Patel and Dan Bongino being
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  Speaker 2: compromised by the deep state, and Trump lashing out at
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  Speaker 2: everyone from Bob Iger and Taylor Swift to Bruce Springsteen
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  Speaker 2: and Beyonce.
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  Speaker 4: Hmm.
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  Speaker 2: But we should start with the very sad news that
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden has been diagnosed with an aggressive form of
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  Speaker 2: prostate cancer that has spread to his bones. In a
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  Speaker 2: normal world, everyone would react to this news by sending
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  Speaker 2: thoughts and prayers to President Biden and his family. And
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  Speaker 2: that would be that. That is obviously not the world
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  Speaker 2: we live in. Biden's diagnosis comes in the middle of
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  Speaker 2: a news cycle about the extent of his decline in
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  Speaker 2: office and his decision to run for reelection in 2024.
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  Speaker 2: which is chronicled in Original Sin, the new book by
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  Speaker 2: Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson that is now out today.
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  Speaker 2: On Friday, the Trump administration also released the full audio
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  Speaker 2: of Biden's interview with special prosecutor Robert Herr as part
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  Speaker 2: of the investigation into his handling of classified material. And
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  Speaker 2: even though we didn't learn anything new that wasn't already
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  Speaker 2: in the transcript, it is striking to hear how frail
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  Speaker 2: and tired and sometimes confused Biden sounded. All of this
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  Speaker 2: is to say that When the news broke about Biden's cancer,
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  Speaker 2: it led to all sorts of questions, conspiracies, criticisms, and
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  Speaker 2: some pretty gross reactions. Don Jr. and plenty of other
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  Speaker 2: MAGA pundits have accused Biden and the First Lady of
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  Speaker 2: covering up the diagnosis while he was in the White House.
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  Speaker 2: Our old pal Dean Phillips, the Democrat who mounted a
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  Speaker 2: late primary challenge to Biden, told the New York Times
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  Speaker 2: that he doesn't think it's, quote, coincidental that this was
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  Speaker 2: announced the week that Jake and Alex's book dropped. And
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, who posted an uncharacteristically supportive message quote, wishing
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  Speaker 2: Joe a fast and successful recovery, end quote, right after
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  Speaker 2: the news broke, changed his tune when asked about it
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  Speaker 2: on Monday.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's very sad, actually. I'm surprised that it wasn't,
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  Speaker 5: you know, the public wasn't notified a long time ago
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  Speaker 5: because to get to stage nine, that's a long time.
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  Speaker 5: I just had my physical. You saw that. You saw
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  Speaker 5: the results of that particular test. I think that test
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  Speaker 5: is standard to pretty much anybody getting a physical, good physical.
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  Speaker 5: We had the doctors at the White House and over
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  Speaker 5: at Walter Reed, which is a fantastic hospital.
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  Speaker 4: I do it.
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  Speaker 5: I did a very complete physical, including cognitive tests. I'm
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  Speaker 5: proud to announce I aced it. I got them all right.
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  Speaker 5: The auto pen is becoming a very big deal. You know,
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  Speaker 5: the auto pen is becoming a big deal because it
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  Speaker 5: seems like that maybe was the president who ever operated
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  Speaker 5: the auto pen. But when they say that that was
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  Speaker 5: not good, they also, you know, you have to look
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  Speaker 5: and you have to say that the test was not
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  Speaker 5: so good either. In other words, there are things going
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  Speaker 5: on that the public wasn't informed. And I think somebody's
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  Speaker 5: going to have to speak to his doctor if it's
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  Speaker 5: the same, or even if it's two separate doctors. Why
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  Speaker 5: wasn't the cognitive ability, why wasn't that discussed?
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  Speaker 2: Just a great topic to riff on there. Just sad
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  Speaker 2: and terrible all around.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think you get hazard pay for being the
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  Speaker 1: military doctor who has to put a finger in Trump's butt?
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  Speaker 3: That's how complete the physical is.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: It would be part of it.
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  Speaker 4: Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.
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  Speaker 2: There is, of course, you know, stage nine stage four.
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  Speaker 2: It was a Gleason score of nine. But, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we won't nitpick Trump's statement there.
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  Speaker 4: Details.
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  Speaker 2: All right, guys, what are your reactions to both the
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  Speaker 2: news and the fallout so far?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously, it's scary and awful for his family. And
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  Speaker 4: I hope the treatment's effective. And I also hope the
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  Speaker 4: story pushes other men to get prostate exams because it's
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  Speaker 4: very important. I think, Days like this are when you
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  Speaker 4: wish social media never existed and didn't currently exist, right?
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  Speaker 4: You get the narcissist sort of saying the shittiest things
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  Speaker 4: they can imagine to make it about themselves and then
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  Speaker 4: argue with people. You have the instant experts. We got
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  Speaker 4: half of Twitter. We have the amateur oncologists who are
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  Speaker 4: certain they know how to interpret the diagnosis. And then
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  Speaker 4: you have the conspiracy folks who, I would include our president,
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  Speaker 4: I guess, who are trying to decide if the diagnosis
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  Speaker 4: was covering up the HER report. or the Tapper book,
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  Speaker 4: but they're positive it's a coverup of something. And obviously
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  Speaker 4: the lack of trust here around the diagnosis and with
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  Speaker 4: President Biden talking about his health is self-inflicted because people
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  Speaker 4: feel like there was a lack of candor around his
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  Speaker 4: health going into the reelection. One good that could come
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  Speaker 4: from this, I was trying to think of something good
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  Speaker 4: that could come from this, would be if there was
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  Speaker 4: some sort of reform or law that was passed that
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  Speaker 4: mandates some sort of independent disclosure from the president's position.
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  Speaker 4: It's a joke that we are relying on these letters
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  Speaker 4: from Trump's doctor that say he is the height and
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  Speaker 4: weight of an NFL wide receiver. I know that there's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of sensitivity here about a president's relationship with
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  Speaker 4: their position. Would that create disincentives to get care if
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  Speaker 4: you thought it had to be released? But I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: There should be a form that is standardized that goes
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  Speaker 4: out that tells us the health of our president or
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  Speaker 4: maybe even major party nominees.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's sort of two kinds of reactions that you
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  Speaker 1: see now. One is a kind of like performative offense
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  Speaker 1: and saying this diagnosis means that anyone that was critical
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  Speaker 1: of Biden's decision to stay in the race or anyone
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  Speaker 1: who believes that the conversation we need to have is
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  Speaker 1: being ghoulish and disgusting, which is a performance of empathy
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  Speaker 1: and claiming something is disgusting because.
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  Speaker 4: You are showing that you are disgusted.
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  Speaker 1: And then you have on the other side, a kind of,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, like a way of proving your bona
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  Speaker 1: fides by demonstrating you don't have compassion as if compassion
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  Speaker 1: is some kind of concession to Joe Biden's politics or policies.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's what you see with J.D. Vance, who
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  Speaker 1: it is a part of his view that the left
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  Speaker 1: uses emotion and empathy as a cudgel and as a weapon.
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  Speaker 1: And so you demonstrate your seriousness by proving that even now,
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  Speaker 1: even in this first 48 hours after learning this information,
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  Speaker 1: we need to have this conversation about Joe Biden's fitness.
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  Speaker 1: And to me, it's like, okay, is it that hard
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  Speaker 1: to just sort of step back and say, this is
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  Speaker 1: a sad moment and this is a debate we still
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  Speaker 1: have to have, but you can also reflect on the
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  Speaker 1: fact that there's a human being and a family and
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  Speaker 1: it's a serious thing. And a lot of people are
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  Speaker 1: going through cancer and they will see themselves in the
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  Speaker 1: coverage of this story. And there's nothing wrong with taking
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  Speaker 1: a moment to be kind of circumspect about that without
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  Speaker 1: allowing the fact that there is a real person involved
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  Speaker 1: to mean we can't, in the coming days, weeks, and months,
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  Speaker 1: make sure that we are learning the lessons of what
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  Speaker 1: happened in 2024.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's also important just to go through
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  Speaker 2: what we know and what we've been told by oncologists
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  Speaker 2: and experts in the Biden family, just to, because the
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  Speaker 2: you know, there are all these conspiracies out there. Did
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  Speaker 2: he have the cancer? Did they know about this diagnosis
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  Speaker 2: while he was in the White House, right? That is
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  Speaker 2: a question a lot of people are asking. And some
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  Speaker 2: people have just decided that he obviously did, right, on
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  Speaker 2: the right. Zeke Emanuel, who's Rahm's brother and was a
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  Speaker 2: Obama-Biden administration official and specializes in breast cancer, so he's
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  Speaker 2: an oncologist, I'm not prostate. He said, he's like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: there's no doubt that a cancer this aggressive has been
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  Speaker 2: there for a while and Joe Biden had it while
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  Speaker 2: he was in the White House. Well, that can be true,
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  Speaker 2: but also he could not have known about the diagnosis.
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  Speaker 2: And in fact, men who are over 70 sometimes don't
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  Speaker 2: get the prostate exam. They just don't test them for that,
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  Speaker 2: partly because, you know, they're getting up in age and
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  Speaker 2: if they find one cancer, then they might have to
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  Speaker 2: treatment and the treatment may be worse. There's this whole
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  Speaker 2: series of medical explanations. Benjamin Mazur who's a physician, wrote
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  Speaker 2: in The Atlantic today. It's not surprising, he said, that
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  Speaker 2: this happened because many cancers are just discovered out of
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  Speaker 2: the blue. We talked to someone, our producer has a
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  Speaker 2: friend who's an oncologist at Sloan Kettering, who said, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they just wouldn't have tested for that. Now, you can ask, well,
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  Speaker 2: he's the president of the United States, why wouldn't they
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  Speaker 2: have tested him for that? But it's not completely surprising.
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  Speaker 2: My view on all the discussion of the diagnosis is
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  Speaker 2: I'll pass.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm not going to judge. And I'm not asking
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  Speaker 4: you to take the White House's word for it. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm not asking you to, I'm not trying to disabuse anyone.
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  Speaker 4: I just think like if Biden was trying to spin
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  Speaker 4: away damaging reports about his health, I'm not sure releasing
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  Speaker 4: a cancer diagnosis would be the most effective tactic. I
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  Speaker 4: think people should just investigate that theory of the case.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to say, I have no idea either, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like nothing at this point would surprise me about anything,
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  Speaker 2: but you just have to like think to yourself.
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  Speaker 4: It's a little illogical.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So the nodule was found six days ago. There were
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  Speaker 2: reports about that. It was last week that there was
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  Speaker 2: a nodule and they were going to test further, right?
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  Speaker 2: So they released the information that there was a nodule
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  Speaker 2: found in an exam. Then six days later, they had
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  Speaker 2: the biopsy and they gave us the results. Also, remember,
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  Speaker 2: I forgot about this, but in February of 23, he
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  Speaker 2: had a cancerous lesion on his chest. He had a
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  Speaker 2: basal cell carcinoma that was removed and that was immediately,
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  Speaker 2: you know, released and told everyone. So it just, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know why you would cover up your cancer diagnosis
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  Speaker 2: and to keep serving as opposed to just getting treatment
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  Speaker 2: right away for your aggressive cancer?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we want treatment. It also sounds like the White
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  Speaker 4: House is trying to use this as a pretext to
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  Speaker 4: invalidate things that Joe Biden did because they're suggesting that
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  Speaker 4: having undiagnosed or diagnosed prostate cancer means you thus use
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  Speaker 4: the auto pen more often.
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  Speaker 3: He's just using it as a hook.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: He's using it as a hook to get back to
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  Speaker 1: his claim that, you know, let's say we learn actually
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  Speaker 1: Joe Biden was diagnosed with cancer and didn't tell anybody
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  Speaker 1: and that's terrible. That doesn't make him more or less
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  Speaker 1: fit to do the job while, I mean, it would
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  Speaker 1: certainly be an indictment on his decision to run again,
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  Speaker 1: but it was absolutely nothing to do with whether or
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  Speaker 1: not he was copus mentis in signing the documents.
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  Speaker 2: Right, but this is why you have to just dig
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  Speaker 2: like an inch into this before you're like, the prostate,
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  Speaker 2: no one is suggesting that the prostate cancer has anything
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  Speaker 2: to do with decline or making you unable to, like,
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  Speaker 2: that's not what people are suggesting, right?
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  Speaker 4: He's flailing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just, I think, look, it's an entirely separate conversation.
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  Speaker 2: that people were having before this diagnosis about his decision
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  Speaker 2: to run again and potential decline over the last couple
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  Speaker 2: of years in the White House, for sure. But like,
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  Speaker 2: not everything has to be connected.
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  Speaker 1: Not everything has to be connected and not everything has
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  Speaker 1: to be about the set of issues or topics you're
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  Speaker 1: interested in and talking about every single day. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and I just like this idea that like you, that
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  Speaker 1: you prove how assured you are and powerful and strong
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  Speaker 1: you are in your views by like saying like, you know, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to piss on Joe Biden's grave. That's how
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  Speaker 1: much I care about Gaza. It's like, what are you
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  Speaker 1: fucking talking about? Like, what does that prove? What does
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  Speaker 1: that prove to anybody?
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And again, like there is a, especially as when we
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  Speaker 2: head towards 2028 and we're trying to nominate the presidential candidate,
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  Speaker 2: there is a whole conversation to be had about how
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  Speaker 2: 2024 was handled. We've had it before. We can have
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  Speaker 2: it again. It's okay not to have it the day
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  Speaker 2: after the guy gets a cancer diagnosis. There's no, there's
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  Speaker 2: no rush.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's right.
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  Speaker 1: I also, there is a, like a certain kind of like,
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  Speaker 1: it reminds me of when whenever there were like mass shootings,
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  Speaker 1: there would be this kind of clutch of conservatives that
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  Speaker 1: would be like, how dare you talk about gun control?
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  Speaker 3: The bodies are not yet buried, you ghouls. And there
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  Speaker 3: was a strain of that.
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  Speaker 1: On the left of like trying to basically like silence
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  Speaker 1: views they already disagreed with that have been kind of
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  Speaker 1: beating their chest about for weeks before this.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I have no, the like, why are we talking
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  Speaker 4: about this when we should be talking about that takes
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  Speaker 4: driving me crazy. It's like, we can do both. There's
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  Speaker 4: unlimited tweets. It doesn't come with a cap, a governor.
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  Speaker 4: But also it does bring out the performative edgelords like
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  Speaker 4: you were referencing there. I love it. And it's usually
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  Speaker 4: from people who are trying to build an audience on
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  Speaker 4: the back of their self-righteous preening about a cause that
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  Speaker 4: is very important, but will in no way be advanced
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  Speaker 4: by whatever it is they're actually saying in that moment.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm not trying to tone police anyone, like say
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  Speaker 4: what you want about politicians. We certainly do. But like
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  Speaker 4: the people who live on the internet, I think get
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  Speaker 4: used to speaking about other human beings in a way.
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  Speaker 4: that is dehumanizing and detached from reality and that they
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  Speaker 4: would never say in person. And you end up saying
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  Speaker 4: things that I think chip away at your soul and
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  Speaker 4: your humanity. And I would just ask, like, look inward,
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  Speaker 4: say whatever the fuck you want. I don't care. You
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  Speaker 4: do you also like, come on.
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  Speaker 2: Humans are complicated and life is complicated and it is
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  Speaker 2: completely okay to say that you are genuinely sorry for
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  Speaker 2: someone and hope that they recover and are wishing them
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  Speaker 2: the best. And have deep disagreements with their policies or
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  Speaker 2: their behavior. That's okay. It's possible to do all of
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  Speaker 2: those things.
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  Speaker 3: I feel that conflict.
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  Speaker 1: I have made some pretty awful jokes today. But just
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  Speaker 1: to get them out before we start recording.
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  Speaker 4: Jesus Christ. I have.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to deal with it.
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  Speaker 4: You heard him. You laughed. Sorry.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to share them. Just for us.
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  Speaker 2: Now you get the downside of people knowing you make
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  Speaker 2: jokes without the upside of them hearing the funny parts
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 3: That's for the best. I don't know how big that
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  Speaker 3: upside is.
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  Speaker 4: Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Same. I don't know what you're talking about. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Let's talk about Biden's successor, who is the president.
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  Speaker 2: He had a newsy Monday. Trump announced in a Truth
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  Speaker 2: Social post that he just concluded a two-hour phone call
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  Speaker 2: with Vladimir Putin and that the result was that Russia
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  Speaker 2: and Ukraine will now begin peace negotiations, though he didn't
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  Speaker 2: offer any real details. He just went on about the U.S.
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  Speaker 2: doing lots of business in Russia and in Ukraine once
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  Speaker 2: the war is over. That's what's important. Ending the post,
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  Speaker 2: let the process begin. Tommy, what's your sense of how
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  Speaker 2: real this is?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, my takeaway was that he was just kind
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  Speaker 4: of wiping his hands of the whole thing, being like,
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  Speaker 4: all right, you guys, he's gone from I'll end the
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  Speaker 4: war in 24 hours to you guys figure it out.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe the Vatican can help. Maybe JD will come over again.
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  Speaker 4: I don't really care what he's up to, but do you?
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  Speaker 4: Then if you read the Putin readout, he is talking
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  Speaker 4: about the need to, quote, eliminate the root causes of
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  Speaker 4: this crisis, which is code for him regurgitating all his
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: maximalist demands, like denazification of the Ukrainian government territorial demands.
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, he wants to, the Russians attended at a
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: much lower level a set of peace talks with Ukraine
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: in Istanbul last week. And basically they're saying we want
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: to continue to occupy and fully control 20% of Ukrainian territory. So,
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: you know, it's just, it's just we're noting that like,
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: Trump has not ended the war in Ukraine. Things are
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: actually worse because we've not sent them additional military funding.
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: The Russians are launching these barrages of missiles and drones
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: every single night. They're killing civilians every single night. When
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: you look at Gaza, things are as bad there, if
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: not worse than they've ever been. Gaza has been under
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: siege for two months. The airstrikes are relentless. The IDF
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: is now starting a ground invasion. So he solved none
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: of the international problems he told us he would solve
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: within hours of taking office.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: It's, you know, you're Pope Leo. You're still figuring out
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: how your email works. Still figuring out which is the
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: best bathroom to use when you're on your way to
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: the office. And you get, you're like, I'm sorry, what
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: am I supposed to solve for you now?
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: It is amazing, right?
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: He said, I can solve this in 24 hours. Then
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: he said, oh, that was just hyperbole. But I'm still
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: the one to solve it. He does a two hour
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: phone call, two hour phone call. He comes out of
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: he's like, geez, this is fucking complicated. He actually says, like, honestly,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: they need to work it out themselves because some of
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: this stuff is so complicated.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Only they know the details. And maybe the Vatican can
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: handle it.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Just throwing like I just that is wild.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: It's like when he you know, the only pressure Putin
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: has gotten from Trump is Vladimir. Stop.
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: One tweet.
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: In a true social post from a couple of weeks ago.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: So I don't know why Putin would really change his behavior.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: It's dark.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: And just the other part of it too, is that right?
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: There's a war that Vladimir Putin started. The only reason
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Ukraine has been able to survive is because of US backing.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump is not saying that the US will continue
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: to support Ukraine until there's peace. He's not saying anything
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: to show that he would have Ukraine's back. That's a
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: great sign for Putin, who's now making these outrageous demands.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: So he's just giving up the game and walking away.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Do we think the fact that Zelensky and J.D. Vance
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: met without J.D. Vance screaming at him at the Pope's
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: inaugural mass is a good sign.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: Maybe. I kind of doubt it, though. I mean, I
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: do think they're going to walk away. I mean, Marco
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: Rubio has been saying this for a couple of days.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: It's like, they won't get serious and start these talks.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: And we're just going to move on to things that
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: are more important. It's like, well, have you tried pressuring
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: both sides and not just the Ukrainian side? That might
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: help things.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Vance also called it, I think he's on a plane today,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: he called it Biden's war, which is, I think, a
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: really dispiriting sign.
• 18:03
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• 19:29
  Speaker 2: It's a big week for the Trump Republican plan to
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: make America poor again. On Friday, Moody's became the last
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: of the big three credit firms to downgrade the U.S.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: 's credit rating, citing our country's rising deficit. Collect them all. Fitch,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: we got the Fitch downgrade. We got the, what was
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: the other one? Anyway, there's one more rating agency that
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I'm forgetting. Anyway, all three, we have all three have
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: downgraded us.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Nice.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: This news followed the comments from a Walmart CEO in
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: an earnings call that Trump's tariffs would force the retail
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: chain to raise prices. Uh, that did not go over
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: so well with Trump who demanded that Walmart quote, eat
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: the tariffs. in a truth social screed where he warned
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: the company, quote, I'll be watching and so will your customers.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: All of which sounded very much like the threats Trump
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: has made against companies like Amazon and Mattel. Treasury Secretary
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Scott Besant hit a couple of the Sunday shows to
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: try and clean things up.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: Walmart will be absorbing some of the tariffs. Some may
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: get passed on to consumers.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: We go back to your initial question on the Moody's downgrade.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Who cares? Qatar doesn't.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Saudi doesn't.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: UAE doesn't. It's a standard in pores is the third one.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Tommy. Thank you, Tommy. Um, anyone want to
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: wade into whether any of these credit ratings are in
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: fact a big deal?
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: We've obviously revealed ourselves to be experts. Okay.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: We, we, uh, we went through something similar, uh, in
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: the Obama administration in 2011. Yeah.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I think we've revealed ourselves to be, uh, uh, experts
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: on it. Look, I don't, it's what the impact is
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: of a specific ratings downgrade. Like, uh, it's not a
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: surprise that the house Republicans are on a path to
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: dramatically increase the deficit or that the United States has
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: become the world's richest basket case. So it's like, are,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: are they really telling people anything they didn't know about
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: whether or not the U S is a reliable, uh,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: country to lend money to. But I do think it's
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: part of a bigger problem, which is Donald Trump is
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: just spending our credibility.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: He's just spending it.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: And, uh, we have some, uh, some protection from the
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: fact that we are an incredibly wealthy country, that we
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: have a lot of goodwill, that we have a lot
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: of countries that have trusted us for a long time.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: And it's very difficult to unwind a relationship with the
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: United States in a variety of ways, whether you're a
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: business or a country, but it's imperiling us in.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: The long term.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: And I think we talk a lot about the chaos
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: that Donald Trump has caused and the volatility that Donald
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Trump has caused. But what we're seeing Republicans do right
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: now is the same thing that they've done for decades,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: which is clamor about deficits, clamor about debt. But when
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: they get into power, they pass massive tax cuts. They
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: don't want to pay for them, and they leave the
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: mess for others to clean up in the hopes that
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: it forces cuts to government spending by more responsible people
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: that'll come later. And what this downgrade says, what a
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: lot of experts say, is there's only so long you
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: can do that. You can't do that forever. We are
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: not in a financial crisis right now. We are not
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: in a moment where we need the government to spend
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: a vast amount of money to prop up the economy
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: in an emergency.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: But that could come.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: That could come and it'll be harder and worse if
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: we are living in a deficit created by massive tax
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: cuts for the rich. And the other part of it
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: that I do think is important is it's another, we
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: are like Republicans took this information and started lying about it.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: So you have Steve Scalise, who's right now one of
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: the people running point to pass this massive reconciliation bill
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: that will balloon the deficit by $ 3 trillion. And he's
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: saying this Moody's downgrade is a reminder about why we
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: have to pass this bill. We have to get our
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: fiscal house in order, which is exactly what we're trying
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: to do. And so he is just going out to
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: the cameras and fucking lying about what they're doing.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm personally a Fitch guy. He's a Fitch guy.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, what Moody's is doing is they're looking at
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: the credit worthiness of the US government to pay back debt.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: And I guess Scott Besson doesn't think the slide from
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: AAA to AA1 is a big deal, but in practice,
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: riskier bonds have to pay higher yields, which means they
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: cost us more to issue. And I think the 30-year
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: treasury is now over 5%. So it'll cost the United
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: States more to borrow money. And that also pushes up
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: the benchmark that is used for banks when they issue
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: mortgages or car loans, which is going to make everything
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: more expensive for everyone. And certain financial institutions or pension
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: funds can only invest in the lowest risk assets. And
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: that can have a ripple effect. And I think right now,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: the annual cost of servicing the US debt, like the
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: interest payments we pay on our debt, is $ 952 billion
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: in 2025. Our debt is really expensive right now. Yeah,
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: it is a very, very bad situation, I think.
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: The downgrade itself, what's the impact of that?
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: Who knows?
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: But it reflects a growing problem, which is we are
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: going to borrow more money and it's going to cost
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: us more to borrow more money as people doubt whether
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: or not in the long run they can trust us
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: to be a country that repays our debts, especially when
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you have all of these sort of right-wing kind of
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: intellectuals running around claiming there's a secret method to Donald
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Trump's madness and there's going to be something like the
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Mar-a-Lago records and he's going to try to downgrade, you know,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: get a deal on our debt and downgrade our debt
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: to kind of do this massive realignment, all this crap.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: And all of it adds up to mortgage rates being higher.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: So on the Walmart thing, it seems like Trump's strategy
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: to deal with the higher prices that are directly related
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: to his trade war is going to be to just
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: blame U.S. companies. How well do you think that'll work?
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: It's a lot of phone calls.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: So I think there's like two. So there's the just
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: sort of like kind of seeing like hypocrisy of Republicans
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: claiming that Democrats are going to do price controls and
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump trying to kind of browbeat and buttonhole these
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: companies into keeping their prices lower. But this is the
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: kind of thing where if Walmart does pass on the
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: price to consumers, that's terrible for consumers. That's just a
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: terrible thing. It's a self-inflicted wound. It makes life worse
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: for the American people. It raises costs when he promised
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: lower costs.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: But let's say it works.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Let's say he does successfully bully some giant companies into
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: eating some of the costs because they can afford to
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Great.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: What about the small companies that can't do that? What
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: about all the companies that are going to deal with
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: the rising cost of tariffs that don't have the market
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: power of a Walmart or an Amazon to go to
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: the suppliers and kind of force them.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: To eat the cost?
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: They'll just be at a greater disadvantage to the big
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: companies than what they already were kind of dealing with
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: for years, if not decades. So to me, this is
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: just like, there's no winning. They do what he says
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: we lose. They don't do what he says we lose.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: It just seems completely impractical.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, you can't do this every time someone has
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: to increase the price of something because of a tariff. Like,
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: what are you talking about? Also, I saw people suggesting
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: that what Trump is doing here is the same as
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: what Democrats were saying during COVID about companies' price gouging.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: I was waiting for someone to make that point. I
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: hadn't seen that.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: I saw it everywhere.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: I was waiting for that. Except, guys, in this case,
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: the government took an action, in this case, tariffs, that
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: is causing prices to go up. And Trump is saying, okay,
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: you eat the costs, Walmart or whatever. Whereas during COVID,
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: prices went up because of supply chain disruptions. And then
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: the supply chain disruptions went away, but the prices stayed up.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: So Democrats said, you're price gouging. They're very different things
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: in my view.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And the big difference in the first one was
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: it happened everywhere in the world.
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: And this is just solely due to Donald Trump, who,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: by the way, I remember hearing from him and everyone
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: in the administration that tariffs are not taxed. on anyone
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: in the U.S., tariffs are just about hitting China with tariffs,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: or hitting other countries, and that are ripping us off,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: and they're going to have to pay, and these other
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: countries are paying us so much. But I guess now
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Trump is acknowledging that it is a tax on U.S. companies,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: and when you raise taxes on U.S. companies, like, they're
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: either going to respond by cutting into their profits, not
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: hiring as many people, or raising prices. Those are, or probably,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: some combination of all three of those things.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the, you know, the suppliers bear some of the costs,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: the companies like Walmart will bear some of the costs
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: and consumers will bear some of the costs.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: What's the ratio going to be?
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: That's what Besson's basically admitting that that's the only way
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: that this can go. And we just, we don't know
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: how it will shake out. Do I think it's probably
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: a little bit effective for Donald Trump to kind of
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: yell at these companies?
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Probably. But somebody's going to pay.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: It's going to happen. Yeah.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: And I think in terms of voters, I don't think
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: that voters are suddenly going to be like, oh yeah,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Walmart's really screwing us right now. Everyone knows about the
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: trade war. Trump has made it his signature economic policy
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: and he has the power to lower the prices by
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: ending the tariffs.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I don't remember Joe Biden getting a lot of largesse
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: when prices were up because of a once in a generation,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: once in a century global pandemic. People hold the administration
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: are accountable for the economy, full stop.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: But also, I think this became public because the CEO
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: or someone at the company said it during an earnings call. Yeah,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: the CEO did. Right? So the CEO has to disclose
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: this on a quarterly earnings call. Donald Trump calls, yells
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: at him. He says, oh, yes, sir. Of course, sir.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: No problem, sir. And then a week or two later,
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: just quietly raise prices. Right. Don't announce it. Give me
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: a break. They're a corporation.
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: One thing that certainly won't help bring down deficits or prices,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Trump's big, beautiful bill that finally passed the House Budget
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Committee after Republicans' made it worse in order to appease
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: the hardliners in their caucus who had blocked the bill
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: from moving forward last week. They basically, the changes are
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: they moved up the timeline to kick people off Medicaid.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: They increased some fees for people on Medicaid. And they
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: cut even more clean energy investments that Biden had passed
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: and Democrats. Of course, the hardliners say they're still not happy.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: So negotiations are continuing, though the House is still aiming
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: to pass this thing by Memorial Day. Trump's apparently going
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: to be meeting with congressional Republicans at the Capitol on
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Tuesday as you're listening to this. So I want to
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: know what happened to all those House Republicans in competitive
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: districts who were worried about Medicaid cuts. They just going
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: to swallow all these changes now?
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: They should remain worried. I mean, there's a CNN poll
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: the other day that 76% opposed major spending cuts in Medicaid.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: That includes 79% of independents and 55% of Republicans. And
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: the reason is 62% of Democrats and Republicans were on
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: Medicaid or knew someone close to them who were on Medicaid.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: It's a very personal thing for people.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Four Republicans voted present, which would be enough Republicans to
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: sink it. Those are the hardliners, but those would be
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: enough to sink it on the House floor.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Right now, it.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Is a, like you had Massey posting earlier today about
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: just how much this adds to the debt. He's saying
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: it adds, I think he said 10 trillion. It's like,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: that's like a, that's double even what the estimates would
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: be if you fully extended it, but whatever. The fact
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: that it's $ 3. 3 trillion in deficits before you add what
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: happens if you extend the provisions they sunset, which means
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: they've written this bill to claim it only adds over
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: $ 3 trillion to the debt over years. But in reality,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: they have a bunch of stuff that just goes away
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: after three or four years because they assume political pressure
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: will force it to be extended in the future, just
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: like what they're trying to do now. If you add that, it's,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I think, over $ 6 trillion in deficit, all of which
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: basically is extending the Trump tax cuts paid for in
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: part because by cutting Medicaid dramatically and accelerating the cuts
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: to the Inflation Reduction Act, which are a bunch of
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: clean energy projects, many of which are actually already happening, right?
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Like they're coming in to say, to stop projects that are,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: or to disincentivize projects that are already happening.
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  Speaker 2: It's such a farce because like, say they get this
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: through the House, they're going to get it over to
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: the Senate. Senate Republicans are not going to be able
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  Speaker 2: to pass a bill that's as crazy as this one
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  Speaker 2: because they have people like Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski
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  Speaker 2: in their caucus. And So I think the real question
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: comes when whatever the Senate passes, they're going to send
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  Speaker 2: it back to the House and try to jam the House.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: And then are you going to get people like Chip
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Roy and some of these hardliners to just say, sure,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: I'll take it because Donald Trump yells at them? Or
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: are they going to be like, no, fuck off?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, if I was betting, I bet on them
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: passing something. Because the risk of catastrophic failure of getting
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: nothing done legislatively, if Donald Trump being on the hook
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: for the tax breaks expiring and thus everyone getting a
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: tax increase. He seemed a little bit disengaged so far.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: I would imagine he will go ham on these guys
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: at some point in the near future.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what I don't know how you square. The Chip
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Roy's of the world, they've been extremely clear about what
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: they want.
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  Speaker 3: They have never wavered.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: They've been honest and direct about what they expect. They've
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: never said otherwise. And this bill dramatically increases the deficit
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: without enough cuts.
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  Speaker 3: Then you have the SALT people.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but you do.
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  Speaker 4: You got the Roy boys and the salt people.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: You got the Roy boys and the salt people.
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  Speaker 1: And the salt people know that if the Trump tax
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: cuts expire, the salt credits go back up. So it
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: really is like an impossible political situation that I guess
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: they get to yes on by just.
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  Speaker 4: Creating a- Ramming it down their throats.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, ramming down their throats.
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  Speaker 1: But what I don't understand is I can see how
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: you can get yeses from the moderates by basically having
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: it balloon the deficit more right like that's how you
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: get them you get rid of some of the negative
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: politics around medicaid and some of these other uh... cuts
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: and you can get them back i just don't know
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: how you get enough of the right wingers back that's
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: what i don't understand.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah i don't either and they're just going to be
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: taking heat from a bunch of people on the right
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: who are saying this is going to add trillions to
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: the deficit and then democrats who are going to rightly
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: be saying millions of people are going to lose their
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: health insurance so that you can give uh... you know uh...
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: make sure that people with estates over $ 30 million can
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: pass on their estate tax-free to their heirs. I mean, and,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: you know, and give, like, an average of a million
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: dollars of tax cut to, you know, small business owners
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: who are doing pass-throughs.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, you have Hawley, by the way, saying
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: he's against any Medicaid cuts. He's on the record. I mean,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: he'll do whatever. He'll say anything. But, like, I don't
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: know how you get to a yes on him. And
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: the other part of it, too, is it is amazing
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: how much it is just pure greed.
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: Because.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: They could just extend the middle class Trump tax cuts.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Like there is a popular version. I mean, it would
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: still be unpopular because of the cuts, but there is
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: a less egregious version of this on the politics and
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: on the merits, but they just will not entertain it.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: They will not change the truth of the talking point
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: that they are going to give a trillion dollars in
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: tax cuts just to the top 1% of people in
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: this country. People who make over a million dollars, a
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: trillion dollars goes to them while they kick over 10
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: million people off their health insurance?
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  Speaker 4: It's fucking nuts. The CBO says by 2034, it could
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: kick between 9.7 and 14.4 million people off of their
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: health care. So that's pretty terrible. And also this bill,
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: like these guys, when they get a tax bill in
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: front of them, they just can't help larding it up
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: with whatever special interest bullshit came before them, right? So
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: only 10% of tax filers actually itemize their deductions, but
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: they're loading this thing up with new deductions, including a
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: billion dollar tax break for gun silencers. Very important. There's
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: up to a $ 10, 000 deduction for car loan interest payments
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: available to people who buy cars, vans, campers, RVs, ATVs,
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: and motorcycles. And then there's a.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Can I get the ATVs in there?
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: This is a Trump campaign promise.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: And then there's a multinational corporations could get an $ 800
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: million tax cut on income in the Virgin Islands. So
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: lots of good stuff in here for everybody.
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• 36:38
  Speaker 2: quick update on Trump's war on the Constitution and due process.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: On Friday, the Supreme Court extended its hold on the
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: administration's use of the Alien Enemies Act to deport people
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: without them being able to challenge their removal. Only Thomas
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: and Alito dissented on process grounds. But the decision affirmed
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: that even undocumented immigrants have due process rights. And one
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: of those rights is being given sufficient warning. Here's a
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: key quote from the ruling. Quote, notice roughly 24 hours
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: before removal, devoid of information about how to exercise due
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: process rights to contest that removal, surely does not pass muster.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Trump responded with a truth social post in all caps saying,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: the Supreme Court won't allow us to get criminals out
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: of our country. He also reposted a suggestion from one
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: of his advisors, Mike Davis, saying that the Supreme Court's
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: ruling is, quote, illegal and that the president should, quote,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: house these foreign terrorists near the Chevy Chase Country Club
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: with daytime release. That is a country club in Maryland
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: where both John Roberts and Brett Kavanaugh belong. So the
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: court isn't stopping Trump from deporting criminals or deporting any non-citizens.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: so long as the administration follows the law and provides
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: due process. Why do you think that Trump and Stephen
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Miller and Mike Davis and the rest of the goons
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: just continue to lie about that?
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: So the Cato Institute, not a bunch of squishy libs
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: over there, pretty conservative organization, they published a review of
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: the 240 or so Venezuelans the U.S. sent to prison
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: in El Salvador. They found 50 of them came to
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: the U.S. legally, never violated any immigration law, but were
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: sent there anyway. And I think that speaks to the
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: reality of the MAGA immigration project, which is to get
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: rid of legal immigrants. People welcomed here as refugees, people
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: seeking asylum, people granted TPS. Because it's not about gangs.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: It's not about bad apples. It's not about people who
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: broke the law. The policy is that white people from
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: South Africa can come and be refugees and everyone else
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: has to go home. And all of this rhetoric is
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: an extension of that.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the fact that like they could pursue. under
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: what the court has already said, what every district and
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: circuit court has already said, a plan of mass deportations.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: They want to force this specific issue. Steve Bannon has
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: been talking about this, all these guys are talking about it.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: They want to force the constitutional crisis. They want an
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: opportunity to violate a Supreme Court order. Who knows, but
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: it seems to me to be in service of some
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: kind of a round of deportations that allows them to
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: grab Tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people without
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: them ever seeing a judge, without them ever having to
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: deal with the ramifications of it. I don't know how
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: else you can make sense of it other than to
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: think that that's where they want to be. to take us.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there were a lot of calls, again, for what
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Stephen Miller suggested last week, two weeks ago, I can't remember,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: suspending habeas corpus. Mike Davis was tweeting about this because
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: he was on the war room with Steve Bannon and
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: they were both talking about specifically they should do it.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: The administration's got to do it right at the end
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: of June when the Supreme Court justices after they go
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: home for a couple months, and let's suspend habeas corpus
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: in this country. Did you guys see that LA Times
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: story that had more details about the people who were
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: gonna get sent to Libya? So there was a Vietnamese
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: construction worker who has lived in LA for decades with
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: his wife and teenage daughter. I think he had, years
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: and years and years ago, some criminal conviction on his record.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Same thing, there was another Filipino who was told he
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: was going to go back to the Philippines and be
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: deported there. He was in detention as well. And these
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: people were, so the construction worker, he showed up at
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: his immigration check-in as he regularly does because he wants
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: to follow the rules and the laws that are here.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: And he goes there, they detain him, they send him
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: to Texas, and then they tell him, wake up, you're
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: going to go to Libya. And he's like, what?
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: What?
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: The lawyer was like so confused. Even one of the
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: correction officers, when the lawyer called, was like, that can't be.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: That can't be.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: Libya?
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: And they were going to send all of these people,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: most of them Asian nationals, Cambodia, Philippines, Vietnamese, to Libya
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: to just rot away in some detention center run by
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: a warlord in eastern Libya.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It's as if they just sit around and they think,
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: what is the cruelest thing we could possibly do? What's
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: the scary? I mean, I think a lot of it
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: is that this is their idea of a deterrent. I
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: was going to send people to Libya. But Libya is
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: not really a nation governed by any political entity right now.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: It's like split in half. There's competing warlords. There's weapons everywhere.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: There's extremist groups like these people would all get killed.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: And to that study that you talked about, Tommy, like
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: those people came here via a port of entry, which
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: you're supposed to do when you claim asylum. You come,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: you see the officers say, I'm here to claim asylum.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Or they had an appointment. Or they already had refugee
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: status in some cases. They were already approved to be refugees.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Or somewhat one of them at least was here on
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: a tourist visa. These are the people that got sent
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: to Seacott.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: The people showing up for their appointments and then being grabbed,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: being ruled so dangerous they can't be let out again,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: even though they were free and in between appointments they'd
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: already had, they already touched the federal government. And then
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: not just being deported, but sent to a foreign jail
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: of some kind or prison or detention facility. I think
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: the Supreme Court acknowledges that and the fact that they're
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: being sent to foreign prisons from which the government, by
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: its own admission, has no ability to kind of seek
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: any recourse, raises the stakes even further. Donald Trump is
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: claiming that he has secured the border, that the border
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: is now.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: We have locked it up. Joe Biden left it open.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: I've locked it up.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: And.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: They were under the threat of.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: And he's right about that, by the way. Yeah. There's
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: zero border crossings happening, basically.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: And we were in the middle of an invasion, despite
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: the fact that the border is closed. And there are
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: people that are so dangerous that even though we have been,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: even though we know who they are and they are
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: free in our country, once they come and talk to us,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: we will grab them and ship them off to a
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: foreign prison without recourse, even though They no longer have
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: the ability to get back in the country because the
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: border is closed if we deport them. It's in one
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: of these cases that we deport people and then the
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: court rules, they need to be brought back and they
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: can fly back. You can go and buy a plane
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: ticket and you can fly back or the government can
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: fly you back. The idea that these people that may
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: have been here undocumented or may have been seeking some
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: kind of refugee or asylum status are then not just
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: being deported, not just being deported to a country that
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: is not their own, but being deported to some kind
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: of a foreign prison for a sentence without end. That
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: is what, they just skip right over that. Oh, look,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: all these right-wingers, all these Trump goons, they're all like, oh,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: we can't have a country anymore because the court is
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: stopping us from enforcing our immigration laws. Nobody's stopping them
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: from enforcing our immigration laws.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Nobody.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: They have created something so heinous. that every court is
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: forcing them to stop and then claiming that is preventing
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: them from doing anything beneath that legally to address what
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: they view as an undocumented immigration crisis.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: These prisons, by the way, people are tortured, beaten, sexually assaulted.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: It's horrific. Also, remember that we're also apparently, the Trump
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: administration's plan is to send one million Palestinians in Gaza
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: to Libya. Relocate the entire Gaza Strip. So I saw
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: a report that that in terms of like population proportion,
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: that would be like relocating 40 or 45 million people
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: to the United States. Like it's completely unworkable. There's no infrastructure.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: There's no way to take care of that number of people.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: But this is a serious plan that's being considered. Now
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: it's been rejected by, there's like a Western government in
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: Tripoli and then there's an Eastern government run by this warlord.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: They're both like, no, this is crazy. We're rejecting this idea.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: But the Israelis seem down to do it.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: And of all the people that they're sending to these
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: prisons from here, you know, the right wing is like, well,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: but they're all terrorists or gang members. It's like, says you,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: says the Trump administration without ever proving it in a
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: court of law. They do not offer any evidence. They
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: do not go see a judge. They don't do any
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: of these things. They just say, we say that they're terrorists.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: We say that they're gang members. And of course, there
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: are some gang members. There are some criminals. There are
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: some violent people that they are deporting in this country.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: And they use those deportations to And those stories to
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: say like, well, that means it's everyone.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: And of course it's not.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: And they've just been caught in so many fucking lies.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Like the spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security, a
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: job that in many cases would be one where in
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: a serious crisis would need to tell you information about
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: what is happening is a fucking liar. She just lies
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: all the time from that podium. We've been caught over
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: and over again. They've lied about Andre Hernandez Romero. They
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: have lied about all of these people. So you can't
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: take them. Forget not proving it. They are lying about it.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: They don't care about the truth.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: The Supreme Court did rule in Trump's favor on another
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: immigration issue Monday. The administration can proceed for now with
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: revoking temporary protected status, TPS, for Venezuelans here legally, putting
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: nearly 350,000 more migrants at risk of deportation. Only Katonji
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Brown-Jackson dissented on that one. But the administration's rationale for
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: invoking the Alien Enemies Act to quickly remove Venezuelans who
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: the government says belong to the Tren de Aragua gang
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: is really falling apart. Last week, Tulsi Gabbard fired the
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: two members of the National Intelligence Council who wrote a
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: report that concluded the government of Venezuela is not directing
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: the activities of Tren de Aragua, meaning it's not an invasion,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: meaning Trump can't invoke the Alien Enemies Act. The New
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: York Times reported that after the report was leaked, one
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: of Tulsi Gabbard's top aides asked the National Intelligence Council to, quote,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: rethink its analysis and issue a new assessment. but their
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: assessment didn't change, so Gabbard fired the two top members
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: of the National Intelligence Council, with the stated reason being
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: that she's trying to end the quote, weaponization and politicization
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: of the intelligence community. That sounds, that's an interesting way
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: to stop weaponization, huh?
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is some of those brazen politicization interference
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: in the intelligence community since the Iraq War. I mean, remember,
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: the Iraq was Dick Cheney and his goons cherry-picking intelligence
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: that fit the narrative of they wanted to sell about
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: Iraq having WMD or whatever. And that meant elevating intelligence
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: that we believe with low confidence and presenting it as
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: dispositive while downplaying dissenting opinions. This is her having a
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: person be like, hey, I know you said you think this,
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: but what if you thought that? And when they disagreed,
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: they fired them. Like that is, I don't know, it's
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: like a new level of shocking. And also Laura Loomer
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: was behind this one. Laura Loomer tweeted, On April 20th,
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: the NIC senior official should be fired. And then it happened.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: Remember Laura Loomis, this right-wing freak who chained herself to
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: the Twitter offices in New York City and was wearing
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: a Star of David because she said she was being
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: persecuted like the Jews during the Holocaust.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: I just, the United States is not currently under invasion
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: by Venezuela. I just think that's a kind of, the
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: words have meaning. Like the Tren de Agua, I don't think,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I think any, if we have, gang members that are
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: committing violent and terrible crimes in our country and are
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: here illegally. They should be arrested and deported, of course.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: But the word invasion has meaning. We're not being invaded. America,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: we're not being invaded. Like you're dancing on the head
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: of a pin here. Like, well, technically, if we can
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: prove that someone in the Venezuelan government is in contact
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: with someone from Trinidad and Tobago, then we can call
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: it an invasion.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: It's ridiculous.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: The Supreme Court hasn't yet ruled on whether it's appropriate
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Whether it's lawful for Trump to invoke alien enemies, they
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: keep pushing that off. In the latest ruling, they basically
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: kicked it back to the Fifth Circuit to tell them
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: to rule, and then it will come back to the
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Supreme Court at some point. This Tulsi stuff, the intelligence,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: their case wasn't great before the administration's case on Alien
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Enemies Act, but this is going to really fuck it.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: Also, in the near term, this means it justifies the
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: deportations of these Venezuelan migrants. What if Trump decides, you
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: know what, we got to take the fight to Maduro,
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: this invasion, we got to cut it off, you know,
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: we're at the head and invade them, right? Because remember,
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: in the first Trump term, John Bolton famously went to
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: the press briefing room with like a little note that
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: was visible on his folder that said $ 5, 000. troops to Colombia,
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: where he was trying to like beat the drum of
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: war with the Venezuelans. Like Marco Rubio is very much
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: on board with this sort of hard line, anti-Maduro, anti-Venezuela worldview.
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: I don't know, like it's just, this is, it could
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: get so much worse than this. And it's setting a
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: precedent that no one in Congress seems to care about
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: on the Republican side.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Also, it may be lawful, at least that's what the
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Supreme Court rules, that Trump can revoke temporary protected status
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: for 350,000 Venezuelans. But it is a horrific policy. And
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: imagine if you're in this country legally and you've been
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: settling here because you were granted protected status and you
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: have legal status and you're Venezuelan and you wake up
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: today and you realize like, Now I could be... And
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: it's not just deported back to Venezuela, which would be
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: bad enough. Who knows what these people will do with you?
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Who knows if you get sent to Sikad or you
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: get sent to fucking Libya or wherever else.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: You had a DUI and suddenly you're in a detention
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: facility without end.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: It's a revoking.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, it is bad enough.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Just from a human standpoint to revoke the status from
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: people that are desperately fleeing political instability and violence. Revoking
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: the status from Afghan refugees.
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: Who.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: were allies who, by many accounts, would be basically facing
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: death if they go back to Afghanistan, revoking the status
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: of those people who worked with special forces, who worked
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: with American troops, who risked their lives and helped our military.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: You're going to send them back while bringing in a
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: bunch of fucking white South African soldiers refugees to kind
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: of stoke the erogenous zone of your right-wing racist base
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: is disgusting.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: And as with the U.S. government policy in Venezuela is
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: like just to destroy their economy with as many sanctions
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: as we can possibly layer on. So we're sending people back.
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: There's no life you can build for yourself in Venezuela
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: if you're trying to get a job. If you're an
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: asylum seeker, if you're seen as a political dissident, you
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: will face persecution, violence, or just economic destitution.
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• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Speaking of people whose job it is to keep us
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: all safe, FBI Director Kash Patel and Deputy Director Dan Bongino.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: What a duo.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Sat down on Sunday for a Fox interview where they
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: made clear that they've been compromised by the deep state.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: When asked about the truth behind the Trump assassination attempts
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: and the death of Jeffrey Epstein, here's what they said.
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: In some of these cases, the there you're looking for
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: is not there. And I know people, I get it.
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: I understand.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: It's not there.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: If it was there, we would.
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: Have told you.
• 53:16
  Speaker 7: As someone who has worked As a public defender, as
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: a prosecutor who's been in that prison system, who's been
• 53:21
  Speaker 7: in the Metropolitan Detention Center, who's been in segregated housing,
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: you know a suicide when you see one, and that's
• 53:27
  Speaker 7: what that was.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: He killed himself.
• 53:30
  Speaker 7: Again, you want me to— I' ve seen the whole file.
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: He killed himself.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Who got to them?
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: Maybe they were already— look.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Who got to them?
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Who better to protect the deep state than two people
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: that had claimed to be outsiders all along? Two people
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: that the conspiracy theorists thought they could trust who now,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: once finally, in their position to.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: Do the ultimate cover-up. It's incredible work. It's incredible work
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: by the Jews.
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: I thought you were going to say Hillary Clinton.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Hillary Clinton.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Someone tweeted the other day, why does Kash Patel
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: always look like he just shit his pants? It's really
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: spot on.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Isn't it a little bit strange? I was talking about
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: this with Tim because we did a short YouTube thing
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: about this. but they seem to be acting almost responsible
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: in this conversation.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: It's weird.
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: Well, they're getting attacked.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The MAGA people are very upset with them. But
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: I've had this thought, and this interview really brought it
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: back up for me, which is there are a lot
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: of just awful, awful people in the cabinet, but I
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: thought that Kash Patel and Dan Bongino would be at
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: the very top of the list. And there's still plenty
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: of time. I don't want to count my chickens here.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: But they are not the worst ones so far.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: It's so strange.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: We have no idea what they're pursuing. We have no
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: idea what kind of unholy investigations they're launching, planning to launch,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: what's going on behind the scenes.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: Maybe they're like, we got the last two years. We're
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: going to go nuts on the last two years. We're
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: two hours into an eight-hour drive. I can't believe there's
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: no traffic. This is going to end in disaster, man.
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: I would also point out these are clearly guys who
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: went from being right-wing podcasters who would just spew conspiracy
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: theories in service of building an audience. January 6th was
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: an inside job. Cash Patel played footsie with QAnon. He
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: was threatened to prosecute the media for reporting on January 6th.
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: He talked about selling supplements that can detoxify you from
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: the COVID vaccine. So like every conspiracy theory was just
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: an opportunity to grift and build an audience. Now they
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: have responsibility. They're getting attacked for not, you know, releasing
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: the Epstein files. And I think clearly they're like flailing
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: a bit. But what is remarkable from that interview is like,
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: this is the shit they're spending most of their time on.
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: You can just tell. They're like managing right-wing fever dreams.
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: And you have to wonder, what does the opportunity cost here?
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: what is the FBI not doing? What are we like,
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: what like espionage case are the Chinese just like fulfilling
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: to their wildest dreams?
• 56:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: They can't believe their luck.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: They cannot believe their luck.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: I also like the, like I, it's funny cause I
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: had the other reaction to this, which is what are
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: they hearing? What are they seeing that makes them feel
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: so chastened by this role? Like the seriousness of this
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: role that they feel like they need to go out
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: there and basically defend the Bureau.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Maybe they're just, they're just straight shooters, you know?
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: Like you.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Calling them like they see it. They're awful. I would
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: not have imagined that, like if you had heard that
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: Pam Bondi and Kristi Noem would be making headlines for
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: doing more evil shit so far in the Trump administration
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: than Dan Bongino and Kash Patel, like I wouldn't have
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: taken that bet.
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think the nature of the job. I mean,
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: like when do you hear from the deputy FBI director normally? Never.
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: It's weird that they're doing these interviews in the first place.
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: And they're also kind of mopping up shit that Pam
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: Bondi spilled on the ground because she went out there
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: and gave all these right-wing influencers these.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: That was supposed to be a surprise for everyone.
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: It was a big surprise.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Like even Marco Rubio has done some horrible shit compared.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: To these days. Yeah, it's turtles all the way down
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: with these people. So Trump over the weekend just reposted
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: this conspiracy video from 2016 of the Clinton body count
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: of all the different people. Hillary Clinton, I don't know
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: if you're a dear listener, it's a surprise to me
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: as it might be to you, one of the most
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: prolific serial killers, basically. Just a spree for decades. And
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: I wonder if he posted that. It's like the conspiracy
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: theory version of his Medicare EO, where he's like, he
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: knows he's about to see, he knew that Dan Mangino
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: and Kash Patel were about to say that Epstein killed himself.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: So he needed to get out in front of it
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: and put out some fucking fringe conspiracy content about Hillary Clinton,
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: because there's just no there there. He's doing interviews where
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: he's talking about how I'm putting out the RFK file.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: I'm putting out the JFK file. I'm putting out the
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: MLK file. I'm putting out the alien file. But there's
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: no they're there anywhere. None of this is leading to
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: the kind of grand, they're not coming to completion. The
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: right wing conspiracy theories are not, they're not finishing. And
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Trump has just kind of been like edging these people
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: for fucking a decade. And I think he genuinely doesn't
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: know what to do.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: Isn't that right, Tommy?
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: I couldn't have said it better myself.
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: He also has siloed communication channels where he's allowed to
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: just chum the water over on Tooth Social and then
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: be like, semi-normal and public.
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I think that's another point too.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's still hope for Kash Patel
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: and Dan Bongino from some of the MAGA base if
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: they're disappointed because they were also asked about January 6th
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: and specifically whether there were undercover FBI agents in the
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: crowd egging people on, something that Kash Patel has mused
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: about in the past. He seemed really excited to tell
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Maria Bartiromo that the Bureau is sending documents to Congress
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: right now full of new answers on this. And then
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Bongino stepped in to kind of throw a little cold
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: water on that, saying that when we do get information,
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: everyone needs to remember the difference between an FBI agent
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: and an FBI source. Dan Bongino, voice of reason again.
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: Deputy Dan kind of Bigfooting his boss there.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because when Bongino was being, yeah, when
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Bongino was, I don't know if it was during the
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: hearing or when he was being interviewed about whether, about
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: like his different role. He talked about how when you're
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: a podcaster, it's one role. And, you know, I've had other,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: I've had serious roles in my, and it does like
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: genuinely seem like he views them as like fundamentally distinct.
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: What a world. Well, I mean, they do have a workforce, right?
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: They have to go wake up the next day and
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: work with a bunch of FBI officials and look them
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: in the eye in meetings.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: And those are serious fucking guys that, like, don't suffer fools,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: that are probably pretty intimidating.
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and, you know, I think everyone kind of gets
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: captured by the building you work in to some extent.
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: You go a little bit native in these jobs. What
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: I think they're setting up is the fact that there
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: were probably people in the crowd on January 6th who
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: had been FBI sources. Yeah, there were. And the right-wing
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: conspiracy theory has always been that the FBI sent those
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: people out into the crowd and they told them, like,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: let's go do it, let's storm the Capitol. And they
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: were kind of like fomenting the violent part of the day.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: And the FBI is directly responsible for it in some way.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: And that's obviously not true and it's never been the case.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: But they're kind of clearly alluding to that. And what
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: they're trying to tell the audience is, Be satisfied when
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: what we tell you is that there were FBI sources
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: in the crowd that day and not necessarily undercover agents.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Well, there was a I think there was an IG report,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: an inspector general's report in 2024 about this. And I
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: think there were around like 20 sources, FBI sources who
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: were in or in and around the Capitol that day.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: Like the Proud Boy leadership. Right.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: But there was only but they were and they were
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: like three or four that the FBI had asked to
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: go there to monitor domestic terrorism. So I am sure
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: that there are going to be things that had been
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: in that report already that will be revealed as like,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: it's suddenly new information and all that kind of shit.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: It's also so fucking stupid. It's like, it's not far
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: from the Trend Aragua thing. Like, oh, they're trying to
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: find a connection to Trend Aragua. We haven't been embedded
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: by Venezuela. No report can change that. Okay, let's say
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: there was. Let's say there was an FBI informant somewhere
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: there on January 6th. If an FBI informant is standing
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: next to you and he's like, hey, you want to
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: go rob this fucking bank? You're not like, there's no,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: you're still robbing a bank. You still have to say no.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: If all your, if all your FBI enforcements were to
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: jump off a bridge, would you do that too?
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: It's not, it's not, it's not an absolution.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, we just apparently today they decided the Trump
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: administration is going to give Ashley Babbitt's family $ 5 million.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: They're going to settle that.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: Taxpayer money. That's your money going to the family of
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: someone who tried to break into the Capitol and injure
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: police officers.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I suspect this will be similar to the Epstein
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: case in that a lot of this information is in
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: the public domain already and they're going to repackage it.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: If you talk to the smart journalists who have really
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: covered Jeffrey Epstein and his various horrific crimes and prosecutions,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: et cetera, over the decades, they'll tell you there's not
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: a little black book waiting to be released by the FBI.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: A lot of this information has been in the public domain.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: It's been in court filings. It's been reported out by journalists.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: And people are waiting for a smoking gun that probably
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: does not exist.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: Trump also spent a good chunk of his weekend posting
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: time threatening a variety of public figures. He called Bob
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Iger and ABC News sleazebags and gave them a, quote,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: fair warning that, quote, they must not say that Qatar
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: is giving me a free plane because it's actually a
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: gift to the Defense Department. that Trump is taking with
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: him when he leaves office.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's actually, Frankenstein was the doctor. That's what we're
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  Speaker 3: talking about here.
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  Speaker 2: Then on Monday, the president of CBS News, one of
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  Speaker 2: Trump's other targets, became the latest to resign from the
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  Speaker 2: network as CBS's parent company, Paramount, is moving towards a
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  Speaker 2: settlement with Trump over 60 Minutes, editing an interview with
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  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris. Trump's also threatening to investigate Kamala's celebrity endorsements,
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  Speaker 2: believe it or not. His claim is that Harris paid
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  Speaker 2: millions of dollars to Springsteen, Beyonce, Oprah, Bono, and others
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  Speaker 2: for their endorsements, which she did not. But Trump said
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  Speaker 2: he's calling for a, quote, major investigation and that the
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  Speaker 2: endorsements represent, quote, an illegal election scam at the highest level.
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  Speaker 2: This all started last week after Trump posted on the
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  Speaker 2: way home from the Middle East, quote, Has anyone noticed
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  Speaker 2: that since I said I hate Taylor Swift, she's no
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: longer hot? Then, after Bruce Springsteen criticized Trump from the
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  Speaker 2: stage during a concert in England, Trump called the boss a, quote,
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  Speaker 2: dried-out prune of a rocker. Springsteen responded the next night
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  Speaker 2: with this.
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  Speaker 6: But in America, my home, they're persecuting people for their
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  Speaker 6: right to free speech and poisoning their dissent. A majority
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  Speaker 6: of our elected representatives have utterly failed... To protect the
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  Speaker 6: American people from the abuses of an unfit president and
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  Speaker 6: a rogue government. The America I've sung to you about
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  Speaker 6: for 50 years is real. And regardless of its many faults,
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  Speaker 6: it's a great country with a great people and we
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  Speaker 6: will survive this moment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, verdict's still out on that. Just checking, guys. Is
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  Speaker 2: it illegal to say that Trump got a free plane
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  Speaker 2: from Qatar or to run for office with celebrity endorsements?
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  Speaker 2: Do you think those are illegal?
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  Speaker 4: Good question. I wish I knew that before we did
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  Speaker 4: the Kash Patel segment.
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  Speaker 1: Trump is trying to intimidate people because if ABC was
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  Speaker 1: willing to settle with Donald Trump over what George Stephanopoulos said,
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  Speaker 1: which was completely and eminently defensible, He thinks he can
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  Speaker 1: threaten people into not referring to this as a gift
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: to Donald Trump because it's technically a gift to his library.
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  Speaker 1: A library at this point, which what I think would
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  Speaker 1: be a plane. I don't know what else exists. Not
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: any books, that's for sure. Are they going to put
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: the books in the plane?
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  Speaker 2: It's a flying library.
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  Speaker 4: Not a lot of document retention over there either.
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  Speaker 2: The location's going to be wherever Trump is.
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  Speaker 1: It's also interesting that he's back to threatening ABC because
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  Speaker 1: he does these deals with the law firms and then
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  Speaker 1: he starts kind of demanding that the law firms represent
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: his kind of skeezy friends. He does this deal with Columbia.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Then he tries to put Columbia under receivership. He's now
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: back to threatening Disney, even though he did this sort
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: of filthy deal with Disney. But at the same time,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: when he was in Abu Dhabi, he was talking about
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: a great meeting he had with Bob Iger, where Bob
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Iger showed him the plans for Disney Emirates. I don't
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: know what they're going to call it. So it seems
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: to be like a carrot and stick thing with Disney.
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  Speaker 4: I like that he says Taylor Swift is no longer
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  Speaker 4: hot after she just wrapped up a $ 2 billion tour
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: and had people turning into the Super Bowl to see her.
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  Speaker 4: That doesn't seem like it tracks.
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  Speaker 2: He really is just the most casual news consumer. Whatever's just...
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: I haven't heard much about Taylor Swift lately. Everyone must
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: not like her. It's like whatever pops into his mind.
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  Speaker 2: He wraps up this whole trip in the Middle East.
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  Speaker 2: He's on the plane home. This is what he's posting.
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  Speaker 2: And then he's like, I'm going to investigate... Why is he,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: who cares? Why is he investigating Kyle Harris? You beat her.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: You beat her. What was Beyonce worth?
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  Speaker 3: Not enough. Not enough. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He turns on the television in Palm Beach and he
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: sees a, he sees a, he sees Clint Eastwood and
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: escape from Alcatraz.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: Next thing we know, we're.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: Sending federal officials back to Alcatraz to kind of reopen
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: that bad boy.
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  Speaker 3: He's just, he's just, he's just riffing.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: He's just having a good time.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Before we go, just a few quick things. Mark
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  Speaker 2: your calendars on June 6th. Love it. And the Bulwark's
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: Tim Miller and Sarah Longwell are hosting a big gay
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  Speaker 2: live show and fundraiser at the Lincoln Theater in D.C.
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  Speaker 2: Love it, you guys.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about the fundraiser. It's at
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  Speaker 1: World Pride. We'll be at the Lincoln Theater. We're raising
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: money for the Immigrant Defenders Law Center, which represents Andre
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: Hernandez Romero, who we talked about, and a bunch of
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: the other people being held in El Salvador. All the
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: proceeds will go. to that organization.
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  Speaker 3: It's a serious cause. It's going to be a very
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  Speaker 3: fun show.
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  Speaker 4: It'll be me.
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  Speaker 2: It'll be Tim.
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  Speaker 3: It'll be Sarah.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be a real test for her to see how
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: many words can a lesbian get in Edgewise. That's sort
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: of the theme of the show. Drink every time Sarah
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: gets to finish a sentence. But it's going to be
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: really fun. We're lining up some great guests. If Tim
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: and I can share a stage and if a lesbian
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: can share a stage.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: With us, what can't we do? What can't we do together?
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: It's moving.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: You know that Tommy and Dan and I and JVL
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  Speaker 2: are going to do counter-programming?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: You're going to do a straight Friday?
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  Speaker 3: It's a straight Friday.
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  Speaker 4: That's great.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: It's going to be us. We're going to have some
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: of the AfriConners on.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, sounds like a really fun event.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: We're doing an immigrant event, too.
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  Speaker 4: Outside of a PGA event.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 4: Let's round it up some straights.
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  Speaker 3: That's going to be a really nice time.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, cricket.com slash events. That's the tickets, right?
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