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Ep. 424: Summer Scouting, Prep, and Big Wired To Hunt News with Spencer Neuharth, Tony Peterson, and Hayden Sammak · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the
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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm your host,
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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number four. Today in
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Speaker 1: the show, we're answering listener questions about scouting and we're
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Speaker 1: dealing some exciting news about the future of Wired to Hunt.
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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wired Hunt Podcast, brought to
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Speaker 1: you by First LFE. Today, we've got a hell of
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Speaker 1: a crew. It's a motley crew. We're covering a lot.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna first touch on some updates, some very exciting
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Speaker 1: updates in the world of Wired to Hunt, and then
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Speaker 1: we're gonna answer some questions from all you're gonna talk.
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Speaker 1: Some are scouting, summer prep, hunt planning, all things in between,
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Speaker 1: and who knows what else. We might even touch on
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Speaker 1: bob cats and turkey mating rituals with our buddy Spencer Newhart,
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Speaker 1: who's back on the show after a little bit of
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Speaker 1: a little bit of time away. He's been stolen over
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Speaker 1: by media there. He's always over there now and I
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Speaker 1: can never get him on my show. But I came
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Speaker 1: to Bozeman just to harass him into getting back on
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Speaker 1: the white Tail Beat. So, Spencer, welcome back to the podcast.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Mark, You're welcome for being here. Also with
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Speaker 1: me is Tony Peterson. Uh, Tony, thanks for having me. Buddy.
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Speaker 1: Good to have you back on the show. And in around.
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Speaker 1: We've been able to do a lot together lately. We've
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Speaker 1: we're best. He's now, man. I know yesterday we were
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Speaker 1: filming and Tony wanted me to sit on a rocking
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Speaker 1: bench on a hillside try to put his arm around me,
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Speaker 1: and wanted to talk about our future together. And it
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Speaker 1: got kind of weird. It was just such a beautiful setting.
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Speaker 1: I mean it was I get that. Uh. And then
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Speaker 1: to my left, I've got the man behind and the
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Speaker 1: men the podcast editor. We got Hayden and Hayden, how
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Speaker 1: do I pronounce your last name properly? Hold on? Hold on?
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Speaker 1: Should you explain that a little better? Yeah, he's the
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Speaker 1: guy who edits the podcast. He's the one behind all
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Speaker 1: of what we do. So Hayden pronounced that sack sack? Yeah, Okay,
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Speaker 1: Hayden is podcast editor. He's a white tail honey nut. Right.
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Speaker 1: Would you say that was that correct? Yeah? I'd say
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Speaker 1: that's accurate, man, for sure. What else do I want
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Speaker 1: to share with the world about Hayden. Mm hm. We
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Speaker 1: share a similar interest in fly fish and how about that.
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Speaker 1: I like that. I do like that about you a lot.
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Speaker 1: What I don't like is that you live in a
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Speaker 1: better part of the country for it, And so in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the winter, you're sending me text messages
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Speaker 1: about the fifty fish days you're having while I'm shoveling
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Speaker 1: my driveway. Boseman, Man, Yeah, you got a get there. Um,
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Speaker 1: we probably can't talk about your girl friend non air
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Speaker 1: because it's kind of fresh and new and dude, what
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Speaker 1: are you doing? Man? Like I said, listen, we can't
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Speaker 1: talk about I want to talk about it. There's a
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Speaker 1: lot of great rodeo stories here we could discuss. But
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to go down that road. You're gonna
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Speaker 1: get me in trouble, dude. Uh So maybe we should
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Speaker 1: stop right there. Uh So. The reason we're all together
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Speaker 1: is because we are working on a lot of cool
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Speaker 1: new stuff in the Wired Hunt world. This year. We
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Speaker 1: are I don't know if we want to say relaunching
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Speaker 1: or launching. Um, we're kicking off a bunch of new
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Speaker 1: things with the Wired Dunton brand. For for those of
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Speaker 1: you who have been long time followers, you knew wired
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Speaker 1: Hunt as a website where I wrote, and then you
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Speaker 1: knew wired Hunt as a YouTube channel where I produced
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Speaker 1: my own videos, and then we launched the podcast. And
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Speaker 1: then when wired Hunt became a part of the Mediator family,
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Speaker 1: you know, the website kind of disappeared, the YouTube video stopped,
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Speaker 1: and it became just a podcast. Well excited to share
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Speaker 1: with you that things are changing. We are getting all
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Speaker 1: those goodies back Wired Hunt. You might think of it
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Speaker 1: as wired Hunt two point oh is live to the
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Speaker 1: world now as of a couple of days ago, and
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Speaker 1: that means there's gonna be more white tail stuff for
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Speaker 1: white tailed people like you than has ever been produced
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Speaker 1: by Wired Hunt or Mediatre. And we've got a lot
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Speaker 1: of really cool plans coming up. We've got let me
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Speaker 1: see here, let's talk about all the stuff about coming out.
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Speaker 1: We have a new wired Hunt website experience of sorts,
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Speaker 1: so here on the new wired Hunt website. If you now,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit time out here a second, I wanna
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Speaker 1: tell you, Hayden, I'm gonna drop a U r L here,
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Speaker 1: And if if this U r L is wrong, I'd
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Speaker 1: like for you to insert maybe like an exploding soundtrack
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Speaker 1: or like a sound effect, and then come in with
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Speaker 1: like the voice of God with the correct U R L. Okay, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I can tell you what the two options are probably
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Speaker 1: gonna be. Okay, so so yeah, tell me what the
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Speaker 1: two options. Like, one would be the redirect like we
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Speaker 1: talked about Wired Hunt. You can just go to wired
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Speaker 1: to hunt dot com. All right, I'll say you go
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Speaker 1: to wired dot dot com. The other one would be
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Speaker 1: the meat eater dot com backslash hunt, backslash whitetail dash Dear. Okay,
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Speaker 1: nobody's gonna remember that just telling you the meat eater
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Speaker 1: dot com forward slash wired. So Heyden, I still want
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Speaker 1: you to do the exploding sound effect even if we're right, probably,
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Speaker 1: But but here's the options. As as Spencer said, there's
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Speaker 1: a really long you are L. And I want to
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Speaker 1: keep what he said in there because it's catchy. It's
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Speaker 1: catchy as hell. But if you can't remember that very
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Speaker 1: long you are L, you could just go to the
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Speaker 1: meat eator dot com, the meat eater dot com forward
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Speaker 1: slash wired, and you'll you should see the Wired Hunting
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Speaker 1: logo on the homepage. Hopefully if things are going the
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Speaker 1: way we want them to. You click that and that
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Speaker 1: will take you to the wire Hunt experience. One way
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Speaker 1: or another, you'll find this damn website where there's gonna
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Speaker 1: be a whole lot of white tail content that is
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Speaker 1: made for people that really love this stuff, that really
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Speaker 1: want to get better at it. So if you listen
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Speaker 1: to this podcast, you probably fit into that category. And
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Speaker 1: so now we're going to give you a whole bunch
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Speaker 1: more opportunities to do that. With the number of articles
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Speaker 1: we're gonna have a week, is is substantial going to
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Speaker 1: be from a whole slate of writers. You're gonna see
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Speaker 1: articles from myself still, You're gonna see articles from Tony Still,
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Speaker 1: probably gonna see some articles from Spencer still. But then
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Speaker 1: we've got a whole slate of new writers coming in
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Speaker 1: from across the country. Uh, Spencer, you are our website extraordinary.
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Speaker 1: How would you describe the slate of wired Hunt writers
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Speaker 1: we've got planned right now? All different backgrounds, Uh, Folks
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Speaker 1: from the east to south and northwest. Folks at hunt
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Speaker 1: with guns, folks at hunt with bows, people that are
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Speaker 1: on public land, people that are in private land, people
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Speaker 1: that manage for big giant bucks people that are opportunistic hunters.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna try to bring you like every white tailed
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Speaker 1: voice that you can possibly find on the internet and
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Speaker 1: all right there within the Wired hunt world, which is exciting.
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Speaker 1: And not only will you find those articles on the
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Speaker 1: new Wired hunt site, you're also going to find a
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Speaker 1: bunch of new videos. We are relaunching the Wired hunt
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Speaker 1: YouTube channel where we are going to be launching weekly
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Speaker 1: how to educational style short videos about how to kill deer,
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Speaker 1: how to be a better deer hunter. Tony, you and
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Speaker 1: I have been doing a bunch of these. We've we're
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Speaker 1: gonna have other guest contributors as well, so there's gonna
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Speaker 1: be a whole slate of different people on these videos.
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Speaker 1: But to this point, you and me have been hammering
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Speaker 1: at it with the camera. How would you describe what
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Speaker 1: folks can find on the Wired Hunting YouTube channel? Now,
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Speaker 1: Oh man, it's gonna be it's gonna be pretty comprehensive
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Speaker 1: and pretty fun. I mean, the stuff that we're doing.
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Speaker 1: We we just sat down and said what is the
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Speaker 1: white tail market missing? Like, how how can we level
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Speaker 1: up this content and address these questions and these hunting
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Speaker 1: style aisles and these scouting tactics and all that's all
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Speaker 1: encompassing white tail lifestyle, Like, how can we deliver the
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Speaker 1: best short, to the point videos on helping people just
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Speaker 1: level up their game? Yeah, you know, I think, my Now,
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Speaker 1: there's a time and place for everything. But if there's
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Speaker 1: any kind of pet peeve I have with some of
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Speaker 1: the educational video content out there is that there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of videos where it's just someone talking in circles
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Speaker 1: for fifteen minutes. So the video is like how to
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Speaker 1: do a and then they just kind of drone on
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Speaker 1: about this for twelve thirteen minutes and they kind of
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Speaker 1: touch on one or two takeaways maybe, but you had
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Speaker 1: to watch thirteen minutes of it to get those two takeaways,
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Speaker 1: and they kind of said the same thing seven times
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Speaker 1: in a row. I wanted to create the opposite. So
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Speaker 1: I wanted to create like the most concentrated dose of
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Speaker 1: exactly what you need to know is quickly and is efficiently,
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Speaker 1: is in a punchy manner as possible. So these are
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Speaker 1: quick videos. These are three and a half minute, four
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Speaker 1: and a half minute videos. But you're gonna learn more
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Speaker 1: in these three minutes then you will with fifteen minutes
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Speaker 1: about that other one, So check that out if you
9:06
Speaker 1: want to get weekly kind of micro doses of super
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Speaker 1: helpful whitetail on knowledge and those will be on our
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Speaker 1: newsletter too. And if you're not already subscribed to Wired
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Speaker 1: On Weekly, highly recommend to do that. That is our
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Speaker 1: weekly newsletter where we're gonna tell you about the new
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Speaker 1: articles we published, we're gonna tell you about the new
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Speaker 1: videos we publish, we're gonna tell you about the new podcast.
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Speaker 1: You're gonna get some little updates from me and other
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Speaker 1: things like that along the way. Spencer, what's the easiest
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Speaker 1: way people can get signed up for that? If you
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Speaker 1: want to sign up for the news letter on your
9:39
Speaker 1: desktop and you go to the mediator dot com and
9:41
Speaker 1: the very top right hand corner, there is a little
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Speaker 1: symbol that that shows like a little avatar. You click
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Speaker 1: on that and then it says get the latest here
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Speaker 1: in box. Click on subscribe. You're gonna get Wired Hunt
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Speaker 1: Weekly that comes out every Monday. If you're on your phone,
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Speaker 1: same thing, top right hand corner, little nav bar you
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Speaker 1: screw down, it says get the latest to your inbox.
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Speaker 1: You'll subscribe and all of a sudden um starting that week,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna be getting these emails from Mark and the
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Speaker 1: rest of the crew. Yeah, and I don't want to
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Speaker 1: belabor all this too long, but there's a lot of
10:12
Speaker 1: new stuff coming out so real quick. On the video side,
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Speaker 1: in addition to those educational short how to videos, we
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Speaker 1: also have a new hunting show coming out this fall
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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna save the details for later, but rest
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Speaker 1: assured this is gonna be a really fun show. There's
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Speaker 1: gonna be a group of us hunting all across the country,
10:33
Speaker 1: and this is not a show with just me. We
10:35
Speaker 1: actually wanted this one to be interesting. So we've got
10:37
Speaker 1: Tony Peterson on the show, We've got Spencer new Hearth
10:40
Speaker 1: on the show, and we got Mr Arkansas Clay Newcomb
10:43
Speaker 1: on the show as well. So the four of us
10:46
Speaker 1: are gonna be taken over the White Tail YouTube world
10:49
Speaker 1: with something new coming this fall, so stay tuned for that.
10:54
Speaker 1: In the last, but not least, on the podcast side
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Speaker 1: of things, you should know this. Hopefully you saw knew
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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt Foundations podcasts show up in your feed
11:03
Speaker 1: two days ago, but for some reason you saw that
11:06
Speaker 1: and you ignored it. Shame on you. First off, shame
11:09
Speaker 1: shame on you. And secondly, Tony Peterson's got a show
11:13
Speaker 1: now on the Wire hunt podcast. We've got a new
11:16
Speaker 1: mini series that Tony's hosting. Tony give us like the
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Speaker 1: cliff notes version. If they didn't hear the first episode,
11:22
Speaker 1: what do they miss out? On? Oh Man Foundations is
11:25
Speaker 1: a comprehensive breakdown of all of these different concepts that
11:31
Speaker 1: that are just like involved ensconced in white tail hunting,
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Speaker 1: from scouting to hunting tactics, and it's just all of
11:38
Speaker 1: these things we talk about, you know, like staging areas
11:41
Speaker 1: or long range glass NG and it's like broken down
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Speaker 1: to a granular level for fifteen twenty minutes every episode,
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Speaker 1: just taking one of these concepts, just explaining it fully
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Speaker 1: and trying to make it actionable to deer hunters just
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Speaker 1: across the white tail range. And it kind of goes
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Speaker 1: back to that whole micro dose idea I described earlier
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Speaker 1: about what I was trying to do with the videos.
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Speaker 1: With videos, we're kind of doing that in the podcast
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Speaker 1: side too, Right, So, a regular Wired Hunting podcast, as
12:06
Speaker 1: anyone listening knows, might be a two hour conversation where
12:09
Speaker 1: we kind of wind around and talk about a lot
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Speaker 1: of different things. Some of it's right on topic, some
12:14
Speaker 1: of it goes down weird rabbit holes. Whatever. The Foundation's
12:18
Speaker 1: podcast is that just super concentrated fifteen minutes of nothing
12:23
Speaker 1: but exactly what you need to know about this very
12:26
Speaker 1: specific topic that's gonna make you a better deer hunter.
12:28
Speaker 1: And it's it's it's everything you want to know and
12:30
Speaker 1: is short of a time period as possible, so that
12:32
Speaker 1: if you've got fifteen minutes on the way to work
12:35
Speaker 1: and you want to pick something up, or if you
12:36
Speaker 1: are driving to the property, go hunt tonight and you
12:39
Speaker 1: think to yourself, dang it, I need a better idea
12:41
Speaker 1: about what to do now with this situation. Oh, here's
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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes with Tony Peterson, one of the best damn
12:46
Speaker 1: deer hunters in the world, telling me exactly how to
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Speaker 1: think about this. That's what Foundation is going to give you.
12:52
Speaker 1: And I don't know about you, Hayden, but that's this.
12:55
Speaker 1: This ship is good, super useful, super useful. Uh you know,
12:59
Speaker 1: particularly me for uh, you know, new hunters, which is
13:03
Speaker 1: like secially an important thing, like I I feel like
13:05
Speaker 1: immediate or in particularly the Wired Hunt podcasts, and it's
13:09
Speaker 1: it's the encouragement, it's the insight, and it's not it's
13:16
Speaker 1: not like esoteric, it's not like that PhD sword level.
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Speaker 1: It's like it's a foundation. You're gonna come out of
13:23
Speaker 1: this if if you're new, you're literally gonna have the
13:25
Speaker 1: foundation to do whatever you want to do with the
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Speaker 1: deer hunting world. If you're an experienced deer hunter, you're
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Speaker 1: gonna come to this and there's gonna be a level
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Speaker 1: of detail in there though that's gonna absolutely help you
13:36
Speaker 1: level up. I think that what we've tried to do
13:37
Speaker 1: with every one of these is get you from point
13:41
Speaker 1: A to Z. No matter where you are on that spectrum,
13:43
Speaker 1: you're gonna find something within these that's gonna take you
13:45
Speaker 1: to the next step. And I think that's that's what
13:48
Speaker 1: we all need. So and if you're familiar with some
13:53
Speaker 1: other podcasts in the media network, you'll know Remy Warren
13:56
Speaker 1: as a podcast weekly Um where he sort of dives
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Speaker 1: into Western topics. He'll take something like optics and pick
14:03
Speaker 1: it apart. He'll take something like wind and pick it apart.
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Speaker 1: Tony's new podcast, I think could be described he's like
14:10
Speaker 1: a shorter, white tailed version of that, just sort of
14:13
Speaker 1: a one man show, brain dump of of Tony's knowledge,
14:17
Speaker 1: which I think is gonna be awesome. I'm looking forward to. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think that's as It's gonna be a good comparison there.
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Speaker 1: And uh, episode one is out there, so make sure
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Speaker 1: you go listen to that one. Uh. Tony makes a
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Speaker 1: wonderful analogy about childhood pen pals that I loved. When
14:33
Speaker 1: I read that script and he talked about that, I
14:35
Speaker 1: just thought, yea, he nailed it. So look for that
14:37
Speaker 1: one and and send us notes afterwards once you enjoy
14:40
Speaker 1: that little a little laugh from Tony. The last thing
14:44
Speaker 1: we got on there is if you go to that
14:46
Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt website, experience the nineteen different you r
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Speaker 1: ls we told you about the biggest sploding sound effect there.
14:53
Speaker 1: We also have new Wired Hunt shirts finally, so if
14:56
Speaker 1: you want to wrap your Wired to Hunt heads, check
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Speaker 1: out the two new t shirts that should be available
15:03
Speaker 1: on the site now. And that's it. That's what we've
15:06
Speaker 1: got in store. It's going to keep on growing. We're
15:08
Speaker 1: gonna keep changing things, adding new things, new people, new voices.
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Speaker 1: But the basic headline here is if you love white tails,
15:16
Speaker 1: Wired Hunt is going to have you covered every single
15:19
Speaker 1: day of the week in anywhere way, shape or form.
15:21
Speaker 1: Do you want to consumer content? Yeah, I think I
15:23
Speaker 1: think the most important takeaway here when we talked about
15:26
Speaker 1: doing this, it's like, what what is this new experience
15:28
Speaker 1: that we're making and see like a rebranding, is a
15:30
Speaker 1: new logo? Is it bringing in new people? I think
15:34
Speaker 1: what we decided on is that the the experience for
15:38
Speaker 1: you is triple the amount of content now coming at
15:41
Speaker 1: you from podcasts, written, form, videos, all that stuff. It's
15:45
Speaker 1: gonna be so much so that in the fall there's
15:46
Speaker 1: gonna be too much for one person to consume. But
15:49
Speaker 1: the idea is there that whether you're hunting big woods
15:52
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania or food plots in Missouri or CRP in
15:56
Speaker 1: North Dakota, there's gonna be something for everybody. Yeah, very true,
16:00
Speaker 1: so said I love boys and girls are gonna be
16:03
Speaker 1: a wild ride, and uh wire hunt will take you there.
16:08
Speaker 1: I got lots of great lines, don't I. Uh So
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Speaker 1: the rest of the time I wanted to talk about,
16:14
Speaker 1: you know, some of these different questions. It's we're recording
16:16
Speaker 1: this in the summer's, early summer, and uh for a
16:19
Speaker 1: lot of us, that means we're in that slow but
16:21
Speaker 1: steady rise and excitement, anticipation leading into hunting season. Some
16:25
Speaker 1: of us are doing habitat improvements, some of us are scouting,
16:28
Speaker 1: some of us are hanging stands, some of us are
16:31
Speaker 1: I don't know, sitting in a boat, drinking a beer, fishing.
16:34
Speaker 1: But uh, I want to tackle some thoughts and questions
16:37
Speaker 1: from from everybody out there. So we asked folks for
16:40
Speaker 1: questions yesterday, got a bunch of submissions. Uh should we
16:44
Speaker 1: tackle some of those? Is everyone down for that? All right?
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Speaker 1: So let's start right here. Uh, We're just gonna start
16:52
Speaker 1: at the ten thousand foot level. We got Houstad seven
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Speaker 1: asked what are the most important things to look for
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Speaker 1: when scouting for white tails? This is very generic, very
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Speaker 1: high level. We could go anyway in the world with this.
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Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna tell you. I'm gonna ask each
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Speaker 1: one of us to have one idea, one scouting piece
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Speaker 1: of advice when it comes to what to look for.
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Speaker 1: And let's think within the context of summer. So it's
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Speaker 1: one thing during the summer that's worth looking at and
17:20
Speaker 1: paying attention to when scouting for white tails. Now and
17:24
Speaker 1: new guys gotta go first, heyding, What do you got
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Speaker 1: you gonna do? Me like that, man. Uh. I think
17:34
Speaker 1: my one piece of advice for summertime scouting is you
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Speaker 1: have the summer to me is kind of all about
17:46
Speaker 1: locking down the kind of land that you're going to
17:49
Speaker 1: hunt and really understanding the best qualities of that land
17:54
Speaker 1: that you have to work with. In Pennsylvania, you know,
17:59
Speaker 1: I hunted a bunch attracts of like really small pockets
18:03
Speaker 1: of a lot of like suburban land, and so what
18:06
Speaker 1: I would do is, rather than focus on like you know,
18:10
Speaker 1: trying to identify like food sources or something which didn't
18:14
Speaker 1: really exist, a lot of times on the tracks that
18:17
Speaker 1: I was hunting, it was nailed down the best qualities
18:20
Speaker 1: that I had available to me, like travel corridors, creek bottoms,
18:25
Speaker 1: things of that nature. So my advice would be, uh,
18:30
Speaker 1: learning your land, figuring out what his best attributes were,
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Speaker 1: and focusing your efforts primarily on those. All right, I
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Speaker 1: will I'll say that my thoughts on summer scouting have
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Speaker 1: have I don't know if shifted, but I was a
18:46
Speaker 1: very overeager summer scouter earlier in my white tail career,
18:50
Speaker 1: where now I am much more of a Summer scouting
18:54
Speaker 1: is kind of fun, but I'm not gonna put too
18:56
Speaker 1: much weight on it because a lot changes from the
18:59
Speaker 1: summer into the fall. Not that you can't learn things,
19:01
Speaker 1: you certainly can. But I'll say one thing that I
19:03
Speaker 1: do pay particular attention to in the summer is who's here.
19:07
Speaker 1: There's no better time to find out who's here than
19:09
Speaker 1: in the summer, because in the summer of these bucks,
19:12
Speaker 1: especially mature bucks, are more visible than most other times
19:14
Speaker 1: of the year. Now, I do know a lot of
19:16
Speaker 1: us have seen that a lot of these bucks will
19:18
Speaker 1: shift their ranges from summer to fall, sometimes just a
19:21
Speaker 1: couple hundred acres away, sometimes miles away. So I never
19:24
Speaker 1: get two committed to the bucks I see. But it's
19:29
Speaker 1: a nice if you go out there on a August
19:31
Speaker 1: night glass of bean field, that's going to give you
19:34
Speaker 1: a general idea of like the quality of deer, the
19:37
Speaker 1: possible age, structure of bucks in the general area. So
19:40
Speaker 1: if I am coming to a new area and I'm
19:42
Speaker 1: trying to figure out is this piece of public worth hunting?
19:45
Speaker 1: Is this corner of this state worth hunting? Go out
19:48
Speaker 1: glass and fields and you can get a pretty good
19:50
Speaker 1: idea of, Yeah, this has the kind of stuff I'm
19:53
Speaker 1: looking for, or no and again, don't get two tied
19:57
Speaker 1: to this specific deer you see. But hey, if you
20:00
Speaker 1: see a bunch of three and four year old bucks
20:01
Speaker 1: in my eyes, okay, hey, this area can produce that
20:04
Speaker 1: kind of deer. I'm interested in this zone. On the
20:07
Speaker 1: flip side, if I'm hunting a place that I have
20:09
Speaker 1: hunted many times before, like some of my Michigan spots,
20:12
Speaker 1: some are scouting for me. Is often about is that
20:15
Speaker 1: buck that I watched the last two years still alive?
20:18
Speaker 1: And if I can find that buck again, and if
20:20
Speaker 1: history tells me he'll, you know, he'll show back up
20:23
Speaker 1: in October and start being in the area can hunt.
20:25
Speaker 1: I will search the surrounding zone. So even if he
20:27
Speaker 1: doesn't live on the property that I hunt in the summer,
20:30
Speaker 1: I'll drive the roads in the evenings to try to
20:32
Speaker 1: find him in a bean field or a clover field,
20:34
Speaker 1: you know, within a couple of mile radius. And if
20:37
Speaker 1: I can just confirm that, yes, that deer still around,
20:40
Speaker 1: then I can start putting the wheels in motion to
20:43
Speaker 1: you know, take all that historical out knowledge I have
20:46
Speaker 1: of him and develop a plan this year. If you
20:48
Speaker 1: have no confirmation that he survived, it's a lot harder
20:51
Speaker 1: to start making specific plans and you know, setting up
20:54
Speaker 1: things for that deer. If you know that, yes, that
20:56
Speaker 1: deer's around, and yes, I know exactly what he was
20:59
Speaker 1: doing last year in the year before. Now there's something
21:02
Speaker 1: to work with. So that's that's something I look for
21:04
Speaker 1: the summer, Tony. I kind of want to play off
21:07
Speaker 1: that a little bit. I still really like summer scouting,
21:12
Speaker 1: but I like it because, you know, kind of Hayden
21:15
Speaker 1: alluded to this a little bit, like you've got to
21:17
Speaker 1: think about you know, what can you see now that
21:19
Speaker 1: matters in a couple of months, right, And so I
21:22
Speaker 1: tend to focus pretty hard on food right now, you know,
21:25
Speaker 1: for like the easy stuff, which is like, Okay, if
21:27
Speaker 1: there's a soybean field on a place I can hunt,
21:29
Speaker 1: I know what that means to me, right, But I
21:31
Speaker 1: also know what those food sources mean to the other hunters,
21:35
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna be sharing these spots with other people.
21:37
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of them are public, a lot
21:38
Speaker 1: of them are pressured, and so you know, if you
21:40
Speaker 1: were on a private place that you had sewed up,
21:43
Speaker 1: you look at that soybean feeling, God man, I can
21:45
Speaker 1: make an opening weekend plan around this. If you're on
21:47
Speaker 1: public land or you're you know other people are gonna
21:49
Speaker 1: be there, You're like, Okay, this is probably where the
21:51
Speaker 1: pressure is going to be concentrated. And so I look
21:54
Speaker 1: at that and go, Where's where's the next layer back
21:57
Speaker 1: that I can play off of these food sources to
22:00
Speaker 1: just take advantage of the fact that those those deer
22:02
Speaker 1: are probably gonna get pressured. Quick go ahead. I don't
22:06
Speaker 1: mean I was just gonna say you keep going, because
22:09
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna ask is is related to what you
22:12
Speaker 1: need to wrap up on. So in that, you know,
22:15
Speaker 1: we talk a lot about the destination food sources, and
22:18
Speaker 1: then you get into hard and soft mass and checking
22:21
Speaker 1: that out now and just kind of making a plan
22:22
Speaker 1: for the fact that the white tails are gonna live
22:24
Speaker 1: off their stomachs and you know, we know that, and
22:27
Speaker 1: I like that part about it, but I like the
22:29
Speaker 1: fact that it helps me sort of envision what I'm
22:32
Speaker 1: going to be dealing with deer wise and people wise.
22:36
Speaker 1: Like the food is the key to everything, you know,
22:38
Speaker 1: and you can kind of tie it into hunters being
22:40
Speaker 1: addicted to being able to see a long ways and
22:42
Speaker 1: have easy sits, and you can just use that to
22:44
Speaker 1: inform and go, Okay, I'm probably not going to really this.
22:47
Speaker 1: This bean field isn't gonna play into my hunting strategy
22:49
Speaker 1: the way it might somebody else's. But it's gonna lead
22:52
Speaker 1: me to that staging area that I scouted it in March,
22:54
Speaker 1: or it's gonna it's gonna lead me to something a
22:57
Speaker 1: little bit different because I can just I can make
22:59
Speaker 1: an educate to guess I'm probably what's going to happen
23:01
Speaker 1: around those food sources. The one thing I was gonna
23:04
Speaker 1: say is, would you agree that how someone values the
23:11
Speaker 1: summer food sources they scout, how they value it should
23:15
Speaker 1: be dependent on when they're opening day? Is because because
23:19
Speaker 1: understanding a summer food source matters a whole lot to me.
23:21
Speaker 1: If I five, if I have a September one opener,
23:24
Speaker 1: it's less valuable to me in my opinion, if I
23:27
Speaker 1: have an October first opener. Yeah, it depends what you have.
23:31
Speaker 1: So if you and and this is this is coming
23:33
Speaker 1: from a place of experience, but you know, if you
23:35
Speaker 1: have a corn field, people who have hunted around corn no,
23:38
Speaker 1: that's a different thing to hunt in September versus October
23:41
Speaker 1: and November. Beans are the same thing. Alfalfa can be
23:45
Speaker 1: kind of the same thing, and so yeah, you kind
23:47
Speaker 1: of do have to factor that in. But that's that's
23:50
Speaker 1: also taken into account. You know, are you are you?
23:53
Speaker 1: You know, if you have that September one opener, your
23:55
Speaker 1: your plan is going to be around that food. But again,
23:57
Speaker 1: it doesn't to me. It doesn't really matter if you're
23:59
Speaker 1: in New York or you're in Iowa and you have
24:02
Speaker 1: a little later opener. Yeah, that the bean field will
24:05
Speaker 1: look different than it does in North Dakota in September
24:09
Speaker 1: one open or in Nebraska, but the same rules apply,
24:12
Speaker 1: Like if there's a if there's a easy destination food
24:15
Speaker 1: source there that that people are going to believe the
24:17
Speaker 1: deer are gonna hit. They're gonna hunt it the same
24:19
Speaker 1: way probably. I mean, the pressure concentration will probably be
24:22
Speaker 1: the same thing. The deer might be using it a
24:24
Speaker 1: little bit differently or a lot differently. I think that's
24:27
Speaker 1: the key thing. You're right, the hunters will probably approach
24:29
Speaker 1: it the same way that the key things remembering that
24:31
Speaker 1: the deer will probably operate differently. And we should say
24:34
Speaker 1: something to you mentioned the summer range versus fall range,
24:38
Speaker 1: and we should say, like that's not it's a that's
24:40
Speaker 1: a weird one because it's not a guarantee that they're
24:42
Speaker 1: going to move right, you know, like sometimes you see
24:44
Speaker 1: them June, July, August, and September they're right there. And
24:48
Speaker 1: sometimes you get those transient deer that seemed to show
24:50
Speaker 1: up and some of your bucks disappear, and I like,
24:52
Speaker 1: I'm sure somebody studied that. I don't know why it happens.
24:55
Speaker 1: But if you're on a buck and you know it's
24:58
Speaker 1: it's July or August, you're thinking, like, man, I hope
25:01
Speaker 1: this dude doesn't move. They're like, there's no guarantees going anywhere.
25:03
Speaker 1: He might be right there. So from my experience, very
25:07
Speaker 1: unscientific anecdotal, if I had to put like a rough
25:11
Speaker 1: number on just from from some of the properties that
25:13
Speaker 1: I watched obsessively over the years and have seen it
25:15
Speaker 1: over and over and over again on you know, various
25:18
Speaker 1: private chunks in Michigan and other states, about half of
25:21
Speaker 1: the bucks maybe on average, disappear, half stick around. So
25:25
Speaker 1: usually when I go into a new season, I'm bet like,
25:27
Speaker 1: if there's two big bucks on that farm in the
25:29
Speaker 1: summer that I'm watching, I'm gonna kind of assuming you
25:31
Speaker 1: probably one of them is gonna stick around, one will
25:33
Speaker 1: probably disappear. That's my general rule of thumb. Is that
25:36
Speaker 1: kind of in line with what you've seen, Yeah, so
25:40
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's it's a chance. So I would say,
25:42
Speaker 1: don't be wed to those bucks, but at the same time,
25:45
Speaker 1: don't ignore him. So that's a good point. My biggest
25:47
Speaker 1: concern if I'm like summer scouting something, since most of
25:51
Speaker 1: what I haunt is either public land or private land
25:54
Speaker 1: that shared permission with two or three other guys, is
25:56
Speaker 1: the presence of other hunters. Especially A lot of states
26:00
Speaker 1: have laws around how long you can keep tree stands up.
26:03
Speaker 1: Salth Dakota is one of them. If I was on
26:05
Speaker 1: a piece of public land in South Dakota scouting it
26:07
Speaker 1: in July, knowing that tree stands aren't allowed to be there,
26:10
Speaker 1: but I run into like three other tree stands, that's
26:12
Speaker 1: really concerning. And and although I could run into a
26:15
Speaker 1: lot of great other sign robs and scrapes, if if
26:18
Speaker 1: there's two tree stands on each side of it, I'm
26:20
Speaker 1: no longer interested. Same thing with trail cameras. Um, it's
26:24
Speaker 1: like not uh a low investment for somebody to go
26:28
Speaker 1: out and hang five trail cameras in July when the
26:31
Speaker 1: weather sucks and there's ticks out um and it's super humid.
26:34
Speaker 1: So if I'm finding trail cameras on some shared piece
26:36
Speaker 1: of private again, I'm not super interested because I know
26:40
Speaker 1: if if there's pressure there now, there's gonna be pressure
26:42
Speaker 1: there this fall. Yeah, great point. Now here's a situation
26:46
Speaker 1: I want to run past you guys, which is one
26:48
Speaker 1: that I find myself debating internally when I see it.
26:51
Speaker 1: And it just happened. I was scouting some public land
26:53
Speaker 1: the other weekend and I got out there and there
26:55
Speaker 1: was a whole bunch of permanent sets on public land.
26:59
Speaker 1: So someone from neighboring private want back into the public
27:04
Speaker 1: and set up stands as if they own it. But
27:06
Speaker 1: it's public lan and dozens of I mean tons of stands.
27:10
Speaker 1: So you see all those stands, you think, geez, this
27:13
Speaker 1: thing is getting pounded. But then at the same time
27:15
Speaker 1: you think, okay, you know how many there's a gun stands?
27:18
Speaker 1: Like how much do you think about are these guys
27:19
Speaker 1: gonna be your opening weekend when I'm gonna count or
27:22
Speaker 1: like the second week of October, We're not gonna hunt
27:24
Speaker 1: versus are all these things set up and they're just
27:25
Speaker 1: getting pounded during guns season, Like in some states you're
27:28
Speaker 1: gonna have six hundred thousand hundreds out for guns season,
27:31
Speaker 1: while you might only have hundred thousand out during both season.
27:35
Speaker 1: So sometimes I'm sitting there thinking that, oh, Jesus, looks
27:37
Speaker 1: at the whole world's here. But if I just write
27:40
Speaker 1: the place off the map and assume that maybe on
27:43
Speaker 1: October or seven through the twelve there's zero people out there,
27:46
Speaker 1: and I would have had the run of the place
27:47
Speaker 1: all the way till November fifteenth or whatever opening day
27:50
Speaker 1: is and whatever state. Ah. I'm constantly going back and
27:55
Speaker 1: forth on that, and I think that's something that Tony
27:59
Speaker 1: specifically has opened the eyes of myself, and I think
28:02
Speaker 1: a lot of people who are familiar with this work that, um,
28:05
Speaker 1: when a lot of folks are at home in like
28:07
Speaker 1: early to mid October, Tony's out there killing bucks every year,
28:11
Speaker 1: multiple deer um. So I think that can be an
28:14
Speaker 1: option in that case, right, But yeah, showing up there
28:17
Speaker 1: for the rut like the first week in November or
28:21
Speaker 1: gun opener around Thanksgiving probably not a good situation. Yeah,
28:24
Speaker 1: what would you add, Tony? I would add that that
28:27
Speaker 1: might be my biggest pet peeve on public land. I mean,
28:32
Speaker 1: it's just so common, like I don't know what, you know,
28:35
Speaker 1: Like everybody here has experience out there in public land,
28:38
Speaker 1: and it's like the compliance rate with tree stand laws,
28:41
Speaker 1: it just seems low, man, it just seems low. And
28:44
Speaker 1: I do it kind of like you bring up a
28:47
Speaker 1: good point mark. Like I I'll go in you know,
28:50
Speaker 1: sam hunting, like the Big Woods of Wisconsin, and I'm
28:53
Speaker 1: on public dirt there and I'll look at stands and go,
28:57
Speaker 1: you can you can look at them and pretty much go,
28:58
Speaker 1: that's a that's a bow stand, it's a gun stand,
29:00
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like you just tell you
29:02
Speaker 1: if somebody drove a side by side in there and
29:04
Speaker 1: threw up a double ladder stand, like you're like, okay,
29:08
Speaker 1: I know, I know when that dude's coming in, right.
29:10
Speaker 1: But if you if you're on a little river crossing
29:12
Speaker 1: and you see that hang on stand up twenty, you go, okay,
29:15
Speaker 1: now that this guy and I would probably be rubbing elbows.
29:19
Speaker 1: And I just I hate that claiming public land mentality.
29:24
Speaker 1: And it happened. I mean, you know, the you deal
29:26
Speaker 1: with it in the Southwest on the water holes. It's
29:28
Speaker 1: it's prevalent, and just for me, when I look at that,
29:32
Speaker 1: I go, I just try to make a decision like
29:34
Speaker 1: maybe maybe I can hunt here October five, or maybe
29:37
Speaker 1: I can hunt here weekday mornings, or maybe I'm just
29:40
Speaker 1: going somewhere else because it seems like the saturation points
29:42
Speaker 1: real high. But like you said, you don't really know
29:46
Speaker 1: till you get in there. If you if you go
29:47
Speaker 1: into a place and your Spidey sense is say, man,
29:49
Speaker 1: that's a boastand that's a boastand that's a boastand that's
29:51
Speaker 1: a boastand you might just be like, Okay, it's time
29:53
Speaker 1: to either go way deeper or go somewhere else. But maybe,
29:57
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it is a bunch of gun stands
29:59
Speaker 1: you don't know. Yeah, yeah, that's a tricky one. Sometimes,
30:03
Speaker 1: Like you said, you gotta test the waters, see what
30:06
Speaker 1: happens and just and uh not much more can do
30:11
Speaker 1: from that. What about this one related to something you
30:14
Speaker 1: brought up, which is the Big Woods uh scenario up
30:18
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. Someone here, Ace ace Agrin maybe would be
30:23
Speaker 1: how you if you say this, Uh, he wants to
30:26
Speaker 1: know how you would approach summer scouting in the big
30:28
Speaker 1: woods where there's little to no agg to glass, Right,
30:32
Speaker 1: I mean I can sit here and preach about glass
30:34
Speaker 1: and bean fields. That's pretty easy. What if you don't
30:36
Speaker 1: have that? We publish an article last fall on the
30:40
Speaker 1: mediator dot com that was written by Dylan Tramp who
30:43
Speaker 1: haunts the Black Hills in South Dakota a lot. And
30:46
Speaker 1: for the article he interviewed Ball Martinic, who haunts the
30:49
Speaker 1: big Timber of Pennsylvania a lot. So together they have
30:52
Speaker 1: like really good perspectives on hunting big woods. A couple
30:55
Speaker 1: of things they talked about. UM. One was the edge
30:58
Speaker 1: effect that you want to look for or that can
31:00
Speaker 1: come from change in vegetation UM A change and where
31:05
Speaker 1: timber has been harvested. UM, A change in where there's
31:10
Speaker 1: a meadow. The edge effects that also will attract like
31:14
Speaker 1: varmints and songbirds will also attract deer, and so edge effect,
31:18
Speaker 1: according to Bow and Dylan, who have killed a lot
31:21
Speaker 1: of big woods, deer are really really important. Something else
31:25
Speaker 1: that that Bow had talked about how um, just a
31:28
Speaker 1: little bit of sign usually isn't enough for him because
31:32
Speaker 1: deer can sort of aimlessly travel through big woods. He
31:35
Speaker 1: wants a cluster of sign like community, scrapes, robs, um
31:40
Speaker 1: all the indicators that we love and that's gonna show
31:43
Speaker 1: him where we're buck are more than likely betting. So
31:45
Speaker 1: those are two things in the big Woods from the
31:47
Speaker 1: perspective of Dylan Tramp a Western Big Woods hunter, and
31:50
Speaker 1: Beau Martonic and Eastern Big Woods hunter, have I like it.
31:54
Speaker 1: I think I also remember talking with Bow on our
31:57
Speaker 1: podcast handful months ago, and they were talking about summer
32:01
Speaker 1: trail cameras and that being, you know, another really key
32:04
Speaker 1: point part of their summer scouting. Since they can't glass fields,
32:07
Speaker 1: they need some kind of eyes in the woods, and
32:09
Speaker 1: so they ran a lot of summer trail cameras near
32:12
Speaker 1: those edges. And then if I remember right, one of
32:15
Speaker 1: the key things they talked about was using scrapes even
32:18
Speaker 1: in the summer as a key location to get those
32:21
Speaker 1: summer pictures because, as we talked about, a lot, while
32:25
Speaker 1: deer might not necessarily scuff up the dirt on those
32:27
Speaker 1: scrapes like they do during the fall, they still visit
32:30
Speaker 1: them all through the year and they hit those licking branches,
32:32
Speaker 1: they're sniffing them, they're leaving scent. Those are still a destination.
32:36
Speaker 1: So I've seen the same thing with my summer cameras
32:38
Speaker 1: in agg Country, and I think it's maybe a disproportionate
32:42
Speaker 1: importance in the big Woods. What about you, Tony, given
32:45
Speaker 1: your experience up there. Well, first off, I would just say,
32:48
Speaker 1: like I personally think that focusing on Big Woods bucks
32:52
Speaker 1: is the hardest thing out there as far as my
32:54
Speaker 1: white experience is no joke, you know, I mean you
32:57
Speaker 1: and I talked about this a little bit yesterday. With
32:59
Speaker 1: the deer density problem of just like keeping your head
33:01
Speaker 1: in the game, that's a big There's there's a psychological
33:05
Speaker 1: aspect of this is tough to overcome. But you know,
33:08
Speaker 1: bo Bo knows what he's talking about. And you know,
33:11
Speaker 1: you think about a scrape in the big woods, that's
33:13
Speaker 1: that's a communication device for those deer. They're not gonna
33:16
Speaker 1: establish a community scrape somewhere where there's only one deer
33:19
Speaker 1: passing through every three weeks. And so you really start
33:22
Speaker 1: to see this, like this concentration of dear idea play
33:26
Speaker 1: out in everywhere you scout. It's easy to find in Iowa.
33:31
Speaker 1: It's not as easy to find that concentration in the
33:33
Speaker 1: big Woods, but it exists, and so it is a
33:35
Speaker 1: sign thing and you know, you like the the question
33:38
Speaker 1: was like little to no egg, Like, there's a big
33:41
Speaker 1: difference there. If there's one egg field to work with
33:43
Speaker 1: within a couple of miles where you're hunting, like inventory
33:46
Speaker 1: is pretty easy to take. If you have no egg,
33:48
Speaker 1: then yeah, you've got to get into that soft edge situation.
33:52
Speaker 1: And the one other thing that I really like about
33:54
Speaker 1: it the big woods scouting is if it's if there's
33:59
Speaker 1: some up and down own to the terrain, then you've
34:02
Speaker 1: you've usually got some creeks to work with. You've usually
34:04
Speaker 1: got some you know, funnels and pinch points that they
34:06
Speaker 1: are gonna play in all year around. They're not just
34:08
Speaker 1: rot you know, like not just rot spots. They're just
34:10
Speaker 1: like point A to B spots. You know, even if
34:13
Speaker 1: the movement seems a little more random, which I kind
34:15
Speaker 1: of think it is in you know, it could probably
34:17
Speaker 1: be tied to a browse situation, might be tied to
34:20
Speaker 1: the predator prevalence. But there are there are aspects of
34:25
Speaker 1: deer hunting that are just universal, they're just ubiquitous. They're
34:28
Speaker 1: just harder to find in the big woods and harder
34:30
Speaker 1: to stick to because you've got a low density big
34:35
Speaker 1: like it just kind of like an elky type of
34:37
Speaker 1: situation to deal with. It's just harder pinned out. Yeah,
34:42
Speaker 1: it's uh, like we're saying it's it's one of those
34:45
Speaker 1: weird scenarios where it's really tricky but also seems really
34:50
Speaker 1: appealing to try to tackle that challenge, you know. I mean,
34:53
Speaker 1: we I've I've talked about that that on my Idaho area.
34:57
Speaker 1: How I'm torn between hunting the big woods mountains butt
35:00
Speaker 1: mountain bucks where I might see zero to two dear
35:03
Speaker 1: day but would be really awesome to figure when it
35:06
Speaker 1: was out, or I could go hunt some river bottom
35:08
Speaker 1: stuff and deal with a bunch of other people but
35:10
Speaker 1: see tons and tons of deer. Yeah, I mean I
35:13
Speaker 1: think that it's it's so easy to default to what
35:16
Speaker 1: you're comfortable with, and so we just we go like,
35:19
Speaker 1: you know, kind of back to the food source thing.
35:21
Speaker 1: Like it's easy to go sit of like it doesn't
35:23
Speaker 1: take a lot of mental horse power to be like
35:25
Speaker 1: I should sit on the edge of this field. It's
35:27
Speaker 1: hard to get comfortable in low density bigwood situations because
35:32
Speaker 1: it's just like the second guessing that the self doubt
35:34
Speaker 1: comes in all the time, but the more experience you
35:36
Speaker 1: spend there, and you know, like the more time you
35:38
Speaker 1: dedicated scouting, you do see those those spots where you're like,
35:42
Speaker 1: this is this is a place that has promise throughout
35:45
Speaker 1: the season. Ah scouting and pressuring deer. We had a
35:51
Speaker 1: question here from Deer Dreaming. He says, where's the proper
35:54
Speaker 1: balance between scouting and over pressuring a property? And this
35:58
Speaker 1: is I think a different question depending on the time
36:01
Speaker 1: of the year. But we're talking summer right now, so
36:03
Speaker 1: let's talk summer. How do we worry about scouting the
36:07
Speaker 1: summer versus pressure in those deer in the summer. I'll
36:09
Speaker 1: lead off here a little bit and say that I
36:13
Speaker 1: am certainly less concerned about it in the summer then
36:16
Speaker 1: I would be at other times of the year. So
36:19
Speaker 1: I will go and do some obtrusive things in the
36:21
Speaker 1: summer that I know we're going to impact deer today
36:24
Speaker 1: and maybe over the next couple of weeks, but I
36:26
Speaker 1: don't care as much because I'm not hunting for three
36:29
Speaker 1: or four months. But I will tell you that I
36:32
Speaker 1: do those obtrusive things early in the summer and not late,
36:36
Speaker 1: so in June I might be going in there and
36:38
Speaker 1: messing around in a betting area to get that one
36:40
Speaker 1: tree prepped. But in late August, I'm staying the hell
36:43
Speaker 1: out basically for me in my private land spots, I
36:47
Speaker 1: look at August thirty one as the last day I
36:49
Speaker 1: will do anything on those properties and then leave at
36:52
Speaker 1: least a full month of leaving them on touch. Now,
36:54
Speaker 1: these are farms, I know, so I don't need to
36:56
Speaker 1: do last minute scouting or checking. I can observe them
36:58
Speaker 1: from afar that kind of thing. Sorry, I worry about
37:01
Speaker 1: summer impacts, you know, in that range of September. But
37:05
Speaker 1: July early August, I'll go work on a tree stand,
37:08
Speaker 1: i will finish a food plot, I'll move trial cameras.
37:12
Speaker 1: But I will tell you when it comes to cameras
37:15
Speaker 1: in scouting in the summer, I used to be the
37:17
Speaker 1: very overeager trail camera user in the summer where I
37:20
Speaker 1: was just so excited to see what bucks are here,
37:22
Speaker 1: and I want to go and like remember the first
37:24
Speaker 1: cameras I put up, you know, three days later, I
37:27
Speaker 1: gotta go check them, gotta see what's there. And then
37:29
Speaker 1: very quickly you realize that when you're in there doing
37:31
Speaker 1: that so often, you're you're educating this deer. So now
37:34
Speaker 1: I I'll set cameras in the summer and I won't
37:36
Speaker 1: come back for at least a month, because you know,
37:39
Speaker 1: every time you visit that does negative negatively impact your
37:42
Speaker 1: chances of those especially mature bucks that we're looking forward
37:44
Speaker 1: to come in there and visit that location. So if
37:47
Speaker 1: you want to get pictures to learn about the deer
37:48
Speaker 1: that are there to get inventory, leave him alone. That
37:52
Speaker 1: is a clear impact of how you could overpressure those deer.
37:54
Speaker 1: It might not impact your ability to kill him in November,
37:57
Speaker 1: but it will impact your ability to get more pictures
37:58
Speaker 1: of them and in the summer. That's that's something I
38:00
Speaker 1: do like to get. So so that's that's a little
38:03
Speaker 1: bit of what I think about in the summer, don't
38:07
Speaker 1: I kind of take a different approach. Now, well, let
38:11
Speaker 1: me put it this way. If you have a spot
38:13
Speaker 1: where you don't you have the ability to sit back
38:15
Speaker 1: and let it, let it simmer for a while, you
38:18
Speaker 1: should do that, Like there's no reason to put unnecessary
38:20
Speaker 1: pressure on there. But I've just seen, like traveling to
38:24
Speaker 1: a bunch of different states hunt in public land, Like
38:26
Speaker 1: how often you know when you show up you've done
38:29
Speaker 1: your e scouting, but you've never seen it in person.
38:32
Speaker 1: You gotta just burn through there. Maybe you're carrying a
38:34
Speaker 1: stand or you're gonna go saddle up, but you're you're
38:35
Speaker 1: scouting first to find a place to hunt. And I've
38:39
Speaker 1: walked into so many spots where I've just looked around
38:41
Speaker 1: and been like, man, they're the sign is here, and
38:43
Speaker 1: you know, you're like, okay, this is the treatment. Oh no,
38:45
Speaker 1: that one doesn't work, and you're walking around and you're
38:48
Speaker 1: you're leaving a mark, you know, but you go you
38:51
Speaker 1: sit it that night or you come back the next morning.
38:53
Speaker 1: And those deer come through there. And I always think,
38:56
Speaker 1: like I think they can tolerate a lot of pressure,
39:00
Speaker 1: like a lot more than we think. It's just that
39:02
Speaker 1: this balance of like don't take that as an excuse
39:06
Speaker 1: to just be cavalier and just go in there, like
39:07
Speaker 1: have a plan and you know what what's the reward?
39:10
Speaker 1: Like what do you what are you hoping to learn?
39:12
Speaker 1: Like is this going to happen or not? You know,
39:15
Speaker 1: don't just go in, like you said, like checking the cameras. Sure,
39:17
Speaker 1: it's fun, but do you need to check them everythree
39:19
Speaker 1: dn't know, Like you know, you don't need to do
39:22
Speaker 1: that stuff, But if there's something to learn or like
39:24
Speaker 1: you just have to because of whatever is coming up
39:26
Speaker 1: in the season, I say, just get in there. Uh either,
39:32
Speaker 1: when do you guys add anything else? Messing up during
39:35
Speaker 1: the summer doesn't concern me a whole lot. Like There'll
39:38
Speaker 1: be instances where I go as far as if I'm
39:41
Speaker 1: setting a trail camera in a very vegetated area, I'll
39:45
Speaker 1: carry like an electric weed eater in with me. Rather
39:47
Speaker 1: than picking up sticks again slivers and bushwhacking like that,
39:50
Speaker 1: I'll take a weed eater with me. I don't care
39:52
Speaker 1: if I'm doing that in June. But if I'm hunting
39:55
Speaker 1: state like South Dakota has a September one opener, it's
39:59
Speaker 1: it's I think it's import and mark to have sort
40:01
Speaker 1: of those deadlines, Like July thirty one is the last
40:03
Speaker 1: time that I'm gonna sort of mess around in here.
40:05
Speaker 1: But if I'm hunting a state like Illinois that has
40:07
Speaker 1: like an October one archery opener, then you can screw
40:10
Speaker 1: around until like mid August, late August. So I think
40:13
Speaker 1: having those deadlines in mind is is like a good
40:16
Speaker 1: thing to sort of give yourself. Yeah, and I think
40:21
Speaker 1: all and sorry, Hey I jumped down jumped on you there.
40:24
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna add that a lot of this also
40:26
Speaker 1: can depend a little bit and be different a little
40:28
Speaker 1: bit based on where you're hunting, right, Like, what these
40:30
Speaker 1: deer tolerate differs by location. We've seen this a thousand times,
40:34
Speaker 1: don't it. We're an Iowa together a couple months ago
40:36
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, the deer here are going
40:38
Speaker 1: to tolerate a wildly different amount of activity than what
40:41
Speaker 1: they will deal with back in Pennsylvania or Michigan. Um.
40:44
Speaker 1: I mean it's sometimes like you're hunting different species close
40:47
Speaker 1: to it, um. So you gotta kind of know your zone,
40:51
Speaker 1: know where you're at, and adjust accordingly. And the only
40:53
Speaker 1: way to figure those differences out is to travel different places,
40:57
Speaker 1: feel it out, learn how these deer operate differently, um,
41:00
Speaker 1: and then adjust strategy based on Okay, what's my dear
41:05
Speaker 1: craziness factor here? How crazy are there they are? Next? Shells?
41:08
Speaker 1: Are they chilling out like they're listening to Bob Marley
41:10
Speaker 1: and just hanging They're rolling like Hayden. I feel like
41:14
Speaker 1: you would be a very easy deer to kill, Hayden
41:17
Speaker 1: if you were. Yeah, I just get the vibe like
41:20
Speaker 1: he would roll through kind of heading the clouds, jamming
41:23
Speaker 1: to some music. You gotta dip in his left food
41:26
Speaker 1: and girls. Yeah yeah, And I just don't think you'd
41:29
Speaker 1: be ready for me. I don't think I need Deer
41:33
Speaker 1: is ready for you, Mark Kenya. The one thing I
41:36
Speaker 1: want to add is, uh, particularly in the as it
41:40
Speaker 1: gets to like midsummer, I try and centralize all my
41:44
Speaker 1: pressure in kind of like hits, Like I like to
41:48
Speaker 1: go in there, cut the lanes, hang the stands, uh,
41:52
Speaker 1: set up the cams in like one or two days
41:55
Speaker 1: if I can, and then just get out. And then
41:58
Speaker 1: towards the end of the summer, I start relying a
42:01
Speaker 1: lot on cellular cameras because that is just I mean,
42:04
Speaker 1: if you can afford them, it's just such a great
42:06
Speaker 1: low impact way to be to like scratch that itch
42:10
Speaker 1: where you're not going back in and checking all these cameras. Particularly,
42:13
Speaker 1: like I said, in the smaller properties that I tend
42:16
Speaker 1: to hunt, you know that it's been a really good
42:18
Speaker 1: because you'll have landowners coming in taking walks with their
42:23
Speaker 1: dog and like blowing everything out. I also like to
42:25
Speaker 1: try and time it so if there's like if I
42:28
Speaker 1: know it's gonna rain, a whole bunch the next week,
42:31
Speaker 1: and we're respecting storms. I try and get in there
42:32
Speaker 1: before the storm so that big disruption and all that,
42:36
Speaker 1: all that precipitation comes down and minimize a little bit
42:40
Speaker 1: of the impact. One property that I hunt in Pennsylvania
42:43
Speaker 1: has a crazy party every year where like two hundred
42:47
Speaker 1: folks descending camp on this property, and I try and
42:50
Speaker 1: get everything done right before that because these deer know
42:54
Speaker 1: that this place gets kind of blown out every year,
42:57
Speaker 1: and it makes the impact of what I did less contextually.
43:01
Speaker 1: I think that's super super smart and something I think about. Two.
43:04
Speaker 1: I'd much rather like, if you know there's a ship
43:06
Speaker 1: storm that's about to happen, blend into that storm, even
43:11
Speaker 1: even in season. I think about that. So for example, um,
43:15
Speaker 1: when harvest is happening. So if you've got a property
43:17
Speaker 1: it's being harvested, and you've got five farmers in their
43:20
Speaker 1: trucks rolling around combines, going all over people getting out
43:23
Speaker 1: and yelling at each other. If I know there's gonna
43:25
Speaker 1: be this couple of days of chaos and there's nothing
43:27
Speaker 1: I can do about it, it's happening. No matter what,
43:29
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a bunch of jump done and blend
43:31
Speaker 1: into that, get a little extra scouting and check some
43:34
Speaker 1: cameras that maybe I was afraid to go to. Otherwise,
43:36
Speaker 1: if I had to move something, today's the day to
43:38
Speaker 1: do it. Uh, take advantage of those disturbances. And you
43:42
Speaker 1: know that's happened no matter what, So your little extra
43:45
Speaker 1: is not gonna make much of a difference. Take advantage
43:47
Speaker 1: of that. I think dear see enough that they get
43:50
Speaker 1: less suspicious of big events like that, and they get
43:53
Speaker 1: more suspicious of what they perceive is like a lingering presence,
43:56
Speaker 1: kind of like coming and going throughout the span of
43:58
Speaker 1: like months. Like that's an astute observation. Here a couple
44:02
Speaker 1: of things that plug before we move on. And this
44:04
Speaker 1: is sort of something we've we've danced around talking about this.
44:07
Speaker 1: Mark just recently wrote an article for the media dot
44:09
Speaker 1: com called the Fool's Gold of Deer Scouting that talks
44:11
Speaker 1: about how summer scouting can sometimes do you more harm
44:14
Speaker 1: than good or be a waste of time. And then
44:16
Speaker 1: when we talked about the big Woods um that article
44:19
Speaker 1: that I referenced with Ball Martinic and Dylan Tramp was
44:22
Speaker 1: called how to Hunt White Tails in Big Woods, which
44:25
Speaker 1: we published last fall two good things that we give
44:28
Speaker 1: youn more information than what we discovered. I love it
44:30
Speaker 1: when you do that, Spencer, I'll do it throughout very subtle,
44:33
Speaker 1: isn't he? I love it. I love it. Uh So
44:36
Speaker 1: we got a question from chelupa Batman Best Name of
44:39
Speaker 1: the Day, and it's it's about this very topic you
44:43
Speaker 1: bring up, Spencer. He says, he lives up in northeast Michigan,
44:47
Speaker 1: and he asks, when doing your summer scouting, how does
44:49
Speaker 1: that impact where you put your stands or blinds knowing
44:53
Speaker 1: that fall patterns may change and that you're scouting afterwards
44:57
Speaker 1: you're what's he trying to say? And it's not quite
45:00
Speaker 1: written too clearly? And after you're scouting do you stay
45:03
Speaker 1: off the prob I see? So he says, how does
45:05
Speaker 1: your summer scouting impact where you put your stands knowing
45:08
Speaker 1: that the fall ranges and patterns will probably be different?
45:10
Speaker 1: And then after you're done with your summer scouting do
45:13
Speaker 1: you stay off completely to not make pressure those deer?
45:15
Speaker 1: So we kind of answered the second part basically, at
45:18
Speaker 1: least from my perspective, I try to make sure I
45:20
Speaker 1: do nothing more after the end of August in Michigan,
45:23
Speaker 1: where he's at. UM. But to his first question, how
45:27
Speaker 1: does my summer scouting impact where I play stands for
45:29
Speaker 1: the fall? So we we've kind of talked around this,
45:33
Speaker 1: We've alluded to various parts of it, but I'll just
45:35
Speaker 1: say explicitly, in Michigan, where we have an October one opener,
45:39
Speaker 1: summer scouting is not influencing where I hang my trail
45:42
Speaker 1: cameras or my tree stands, other than something like what
45:44
Speaker 1: Tony said, which is if I see a bunch of
45:46
Speaker 1: new tree stands up in the summer, or if there's
45:48
Speaker 1: a neighbor who all of a sudden as trail cameras
45:49
Speaker 1: all over my edge and I can see it all,
45:51
Speaker 1: that would influence me. If if I get like a
45:53
Speaker 1: human insight during the summer, that will influence where I'm
45:56
Speaker 1: gonna hunt and push me away from that possibly. Um.
46:00
Speaker 1: But the stuff that's going to impact where I placed
46:03
Speaker 1: my cameras is going to be intel that I gained
46:06
Speaker 1: either in the spring scouting, when I can see sign
46:09
Speaker 1: from the previous fall, or from if I'm in an
46:12
Speaker 1: area that I know from his from historical observations where
46:16
Speaker 1: a deer travels on July one. In my mind in
46:20
Speaker 1: Michigan is not going to be tied almost at all
46:23
Speaker 1: to how they're going to operate on October one November four.
46:27
Speaker 1: That might be a little bit like understanding that, yes,
46:29
Speaker 1: there's a cornfield here, Understand that yes there's a soybean here,
46:32
Speaker 1: and and and know that at some point in October
46:34
Speaker 1: and November that will use those things. Understanding the basic habitat, terrain,
46:39
Speaker 1: all those types of things that will be there no
46:40
Speaker 1: matter what, that still matters. But I'm just not gonna
46:43
Speaker 1: be wedded to Well, this big buck showed up three
46:45
Speaker 1: nights in a row on October one, second, and third,
46:48
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna set up in that corner he popped
46:49
Speaker 1: out on. No, I'm not buying into that, but I
46:52
Speaker 1: do want to know, like, Okay, this is where a
46:54
Speaker 1: food sources, and maybe there's a food source that right
46:57
Speaker 1: now I'm scouting in the summer. Maybe there's tree with
47:00
Speaker 1: some acorns loaded down. They're not feeding on those in August,
47:03
Speaker 1: but I can see them in August and I can say,
47:05
Speaker 1: all right, I know those are here. Now this tree
47:07
Speaker 1: is producing, these other trees aren't producing. I know that
47:10
Speaker 1: in October that tree is gonna be dropping acorns. I
47:13
Speaker 1: can key in on that. So that's the kind of
47:15
Speaker 1: summer skying that I'm going to pay attention to. Um
47:20
Speaker 1: I think. I think one of the most underrated parts
47:22
Speaker 1: of summer scouting is that a lot of the things
47:26
Speaker 1: that make a spot appealing to deer in August, he
47:30
Speaker 1: is also going to be appealing to them in December
47:33
Speaker 1: or January. So a lot of my best setups for
47:36
Speaker 1: like September one that are sort of hunting a food
47:39
Speaker 1: source and there's water nearby and they have good cover
47:42
Speaker 1: are also things that deer are going to be looking
47:44
Speaker 1: for December. So a lot of my setups look the
47:47
Speaker 1: same in early season in late season. And so I
47:51
Speaker 1: think even if you're in a state like Michigan that
47:52
Speaker 1: has an opener in October, that doesn't really do you
47:54
Speaker 1: any good know what the deer doing in August, it
47:57
Speaker 1: might tune you into what they're gonna be doing, uh
48:00
Speaker 1: around like Christmas. So you're saying from a food source perspective,
48:04
Speaker 1: food source perspective, good cover, whether they're trying to get
48:07
Speaker 1: away from hot weather or cold weather, and then just
48:10
Speaker 1: having good water there. The water in July is going
48:14
Speaker 1: to be limiting, like it will be in December. Interesting.
48:17
Speaker 1: I would say, the one thing that I would tell
48:19
Speaker 1: you from my experience at least in the Midwest where
48:22
Speaker 1: I'm at, that's very different, is weird. And this isn't
48:26
Speaker 1: a rule, but oftentimes I'm seeing and experiencing bucks betting
48:32
Speaker 1: in very different places in the summer versus later in
48:34
Speaker 1: the fall. Because in the summer, where they've got two
48:36
Speaker 1: different things going on. Number One, they're dealing with warm
48:40
Speaker 1: temperatures and a lot of bugs, and so it seems
48:44
Speaker 1: like you're bigger bucks are going to be moving more
48:46
Speaker 1: towards like big open canopy places with lots of shade,
48:49
Speaker 1: but they want some wind, they want to get away
48:52
Speaker 1: from bugs maybe a little bit. And they've got these
48:53
Speaker 1: big velvet antlers that are very tender and fragile and so.
48:58
Speaker 1: And I can't stash sat and watch hundreds of hours
49:01
Speaker 1: of bucks operating the summer. So I'm sure there's deer
49:03
Speaker 1: to do the opposite of what I'm gonna tell you,
49:05
Speaker 1: But it seems like if bucks were getting into the nasty,
49:08
Speaker 1: gnarly thick ship that they bet in in November, if
49:12
Speaker 1: they were doing that in July, they'd be tearing up
49:15
Speaker 1: the velvet on their antlers and having all sorts of
49:17
Speaker 1: different antler injuries and deformities and stuff all the time.
49:19
Speaker 1: I think they avoid the thickest, nastiest, gnarliest stuff at
49:23
Speaker 1: least a little bit more in the summer than they
49:24
Speaker 1: do in the fall. So if if, like so many times,
49:28
Speaker 1: the bucks that I see in the summer that come
49:30
Speaker 1: out to the bean fields, they're coming out of the
49:32
Speaker 1: big open stuff come out to these bean fields, and
49:34
Speaker 1: they will come from a totally different place in October
49:36
Speaker 1: and November because now they're relocating to the nastiest, gnarliest,
49:40
Speaker 1: scratchiest cover and there's a lot more leaf cover in
49:44
Speaker 1: the summer than there is in November, so that those
49:46
Speaker 1: things all shift. Um, So that's one that's one thing
49:51
Speaker 1: to think about. Yeah, I would I would say you
49:55
Speaker 1: kind of have to look at this when we talk about,
49:58
Speaker 1: you know, summer scouting and how it try inslates to
50:00
Speaker 1: where you're gonna hang your stands, where you should hang
50:02
Speaker 1: your stands, where you should hunt. What are you talking about?
50:04
Speaker 1: Are you talking about a trail camera on the field edge?
50:06
Speaker 1: Are you talking about long range glassing, or are you're
50:08
Speaker 1: talking about getting in there and looking at trails, looking
50:11
Speaker 1: at tracks, because there's a lot of difference. And so yeah,
50:14
Speaker 1: that that field edge movement you watch in the summer,
50:18
Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't mean much chief you have an October
50:20
Speaker 1: one opener. But the creek crossing, you know, four yards
50:24
Speaker 1: back in the woods, that's probably a season long deer
50:27
Speaker 1: travel row. And where the thing that matters the most.
50:31
Speaker 1: Like we talk about food, and we talk about a
50:33
Speaker 1: lot of different stuff, but sometimes it just boils down
50:36
Speaker 1: to where deer like to walk. And if they like
50:38
Speaker 1: to walk, you know, through this gate or this fence,
50:41
Speaker 1: to go over this fence crossing at this spot in June,
50:45
Speaker 1: deer will probably do that in October, you know, if
50:48
Speaker 1: they crossed the river here because it's the shallowest spot
50:51
Speaker 1: for four d yards in each direction. You know, like
50:53
Speaker 1: that's that's actionable. So if you're you know, it depends
50:57
Speaker 1: how you're thinking about it and how you're scouting. Like
50:59
Speaker 1: the word is kind of scouting right now is to
51:01
Speaker 1: go in and walk around through everything and get into
51:03
Speaker 1: the nettles and the ticks and the mosquitoes. But some
51:06
Speaker 1: of the most actionable intel you find is a pounded
51:08
Speaker 1: trail or that fence crossing and so you have to
51:11
Speaker 1: just think about what are you're looking for and what
51:13
Speaker 1: like how much weight does that carry in a couple
51:17
Speaker 1: of months. I think that's the key is when you're scouting,
51:21
Speaker 1: and this is something any time of the year I
51:23
Speaker 1: think is very helpful. But and this is something I've
51:25
Speaker 1: preached for so long, so it's probably annoying, but always
51:28
Speaker 1: ask why don't just see a thing and be like, oh, yeah,
51:31
Speaker 1: all right, there's a pounded trail here. Check this is
51:33
Speaker 1: where on a hunt if you see a pound of
51:35
Speaker 1: trail on July four or whatever. Okay, there's the pound
51:39
Speaker 1: of trail. Now ask why why is that happening? Now?
51:42
Speaker 1: Is this happening now? First off, is this fresh? Okay? Yes,
51:44
Speaker 1: it's fresh. Okay, why is this happening right now? And
51:47
Speaker 1: then think through Okay, well, let me think this trail's
51:49
Speaker 1: move coming from that area and it's going to this field.
51:53
Speaker 1: And okay, that field is a green alfalfa field. Okay,
51:57
Speaker 1: they're feeding there, so that would make sense why they're pounded.
51:59
Speaker 1: And then I'm gonna think, okay, so when's my opener.
52:01
Speaker 1: My opener September? Is that alf offa field typically getting
52:06
Speaker 1: fed on in the middle of September. Well, yeah, I've
52:08
Speaker 1: I've seen some deer feeding that still in September. Okay,
52:10
Speaker 1: this is something that they're doing now, and they're probably
52:13
Speaker 1: still going to do it in September because I know
52:16
Speaker 1: that that's why this pound of trail is here. Check. Now,
52:18
Speaker 1: this is something that's actionable for me in a hunting perspective,
52:21
Speaker 1: But there might be other scenarios where you'll find something
52:24
Speaker 1: and you say, so, why is this happening? You know
52:26
Speaker 1: it's because of this one thing. It's because my neighbor
52:29
Speaker 1: puts out a bunch of salt lakes all summer. So
52:32
Speaker 1: that's why there's this pound of trail here. And I
52:34
Speaker 1: know though it's Iowa that I'm in and they have
52:37
Speaker 1: to remove all those things before hunting season, that's not
52:39
Speaker 1: going to be here during the hunting season. Blah blah blah.
52:42
Speaker 1: Now they'll probably still visit it, but um but you
52:46
Speaker 1: know maybe then that's obviously not going to factor in
52:48
Speaker 1: your hunting. So just look at sign, look at what
52:50
Speaker 1: deer doing, and ask why are they doing it? Try
52:52
Speaker 1: to think that through, and you're not always going to
52:55
Speaker 1: have the answers to those questions, but that little thought
52:57
Speaker 1: exercise can help. Next question, Um, let's see here. What's
53:12
Speaker 1: your opinion This is from de Boers. What's your opinion
53:16
Speaker 1: on why deer shed their velvet when they do. I've
53:20
Speaker 1: noticed one area sere hard horned, but for miles to
53:24
Speaker 1: the north, probably only ten percent, where I'm very perplexed
53:27
Speaker 1: by such a stark difference. Well, I mean, I think
53:32
Speaker 1: we can all answer this question like the science from it. Spencer,
53:36
Speaker 1: you feel like you want to jump on this. Yeah,
53:38
Speaker 1: So photo period is number one factor, similar to when
53:41
Speaker 1: we talk about the rut, Like the number one factor
53:45
Speaker 1: when the road is gonna occur is the amount of
53:47
Speaker 1: day length. Same thing with shedding velvet. Now what could
53:51
Speaker 1: change that? And and what sometimes does or what people
53:54
Speaker 1: notice is an extreme stressor and I want to like
53:58
Speaker 1: stress the word extreme be is the people that have
54:01
Speaker 1: talked about this before observed it. They don't mean like
54:03
Speaker 1: a drought of like ten days. They mean a drought
54:06
Speaker 1: of like all summer or something like that, or a
54:09
Speaker 1: really long extended period of heat around the time that
54:15
Speaker 1: they're becoming hardhorn So it's it's not even really an opinion,
54:18
Speaker 1: like that's just sort of the answer. There we go,
54:22
Speaker 1: Do we needed more than that now. Mr Bowers or
54:27
Speaker 1: Mrs Bowers or whoever this is also had another question
54:29
Speaker 1: on the front that I got to ask Spencer about
54:31
Speaker 1: because it's Dakota specific. Uh, and Tony, you can speak
54:34
Speaker 1: to us because you spend a lot of time the Dakotas.
54:36
Speaker 1: What are the main crops that deer like to eat
54:38
Speaker 1: in the Dakotas? Besides he wrote besides deer and soybeans,
54:42
Speaker 1: but I think he meant corn and soybeans. Uh, So
54:45
Speaker 1: what are they eating here besides corn and soybeans? And
54:49
Speaker 1: do they really eat wheat? Anything? They'll they'll eat any
54:52
Speaker 1: like big egg. And as far as the question goes,
54:55
Speaker 1: is like do they eat wheat? Wheat is a preferred
54:57
Speaker 1: food choice for them. They love wheat, but there there
55:00
Speaker 1: can be a difference in from one type of wheat
55:03
Speaker 1: to the next, specifically with ants. National Deal Association has
55:06
Speaker 1: talked about this before. Ons are those like long, stiff,
55:10
Speaker 1: hair like structures on the end of the wheat where
55:13
Speaker 1: the seeds are. If the type of wheat that you're
55:16
Speaker 1: hunting around has these ons, it's much less preferred than
55:20
Speaker 1: a type of wheat that does not have the ons.
55:23
Speaker 1: So on is bad, no ons good. It's also been
55:28
Speaker 1: my experience that how old the wheat is will impact
55:32
Speaker 1: how preferential it is. Have you seen that, like gied
55:36
Speaker 1: to what he's saying, Yeah, I think I think deer
55:39
Speaker 1: will eat it like from the time it comes out
55:41
Speaker 1: of the ground till like the day before it gets harvested.
55:44
Speaker 1: So I think we's sort of a preferred food source
55:47
Speaker 1: year long. Anything else you add, Tony, Uh, yeah, I mean,
55:51
Speaker 1: you know, cereal grains. When you're dealing with those, the
55:54
Speaker 1: pressure the better, the younger the better. But also when
55:58
Speaker 1: you're starting to deal with like North to Quota white tails,
56:00
Speaker 1: you might be dealing with the only egg around. It
56:03
Speaker 1: depends where you in the state, right you know, if
56:05
Speaker 1: you're out west where I like to hunt, there might
56:07
Speaker 1: be one field, you know, And so even if it
56:10
Speaker 1: was maybe not, it wouldn't be as high of a
56:11
Speaker 1: priority for the deer because they have more options in
56:13
Speaker 1: eastern North Dakota. If you get out where they have
56:16
Speaker 1: fewer options, pretty easy play to make, which is similar
56:21
Speaker 1: to the scenario described the Big Woods. Same thing, right,
56:24
Speaker 1: if it's a limited resource, it's the only ice cream
56:27
Speaker 1: truck in town there right now? All right, let's move
56:31
Speaker 1: on to some other stuff. Uh, have any of you
56:38
Speaker 1: guys backpack hunted for white tails? No, I've come off
56:44
Speaker 1: with close. Yeah I have not either, but I've wanted to.
56:48
Speaker 1: Someone asked if backpack camping to hunt is actually doable.
56:51
Speaker 1: Obviously it's doable because a lot of people do it
56:53
Speaker 1: for other big game, and I've done it for other
56:54
Speaker 1: big game. Uh, so totally could be done. This guy
56:57
Speaker 1: a girl wants to hike into a North Carol line
57:00
Speaker 1: of park and camp overnight to head over to hunt
57:02
Speaker 1: public lands nearby. But beyond stashing gear, I'm wondering if
57:06
Speaker 1: it's actually something that can be done as far as
57:08
Speaker 1: scent controls concerned. And my take on this is, yeah,
57:11
Speaker 1: go for it. Um, you know we've done something very similar.
57:14
Speaker 1: I know most of us have done this car camping
57:16
Speaker 1: and hiking in and taking in a heavy backpack and
57:19
Speaker 1: hunting deep in public land and getting stinky and sweaty
57:22
Speaker 1: and hot, and you just run with it. Sent control
57:25
Speaker 1: becomes a you know, not a reality you can really
57:28
Speaker 1: play off of when you're doing that kind of hunt.
57:30
Speaker 1: And people still kill deer that way. We've all killed
57:32
Speaker 1: deer that way. So my take is that really play
57:36
Speaker 1: the wind damn well, do your very best with the
57:38
Speaker 1: wind and know that you're not going to be perfect.
57:41
Speaker 1: And the reason why scent control is a thing for
57:43
Speaker 1: a lot of white tail hunters is because different than
57:46
Speaker 1: a lot of Western hunters who do backpack in, we
57:48
Speaker 1: can control the scenarios more often. And you're never gonna
57:51
Speaker 1: go oncent fulham right. I'm just My take has always
57:54
Speaker 1: been minimal, minimized the variables that are in your control
57:58
Speaker 1: as much as possible. So if I can reduce myself
58:00
Speaker 1: profile a little bit, I'm not gonna win all the time,
58:02
Speaker 1: but I might get away just a little bit more.
58:04
Speaker 1: And every one of those little bit more does help.
58:06
Speaker 1: When you're backpack hunting or you're camping out of your
58:08
Speaker 1: truck hunting public land, embrace the stink, play the wind
58:12
Speaker 1: like a savant um. I will tell you that sometimes
58:16
Speaker 1: I still spray down. I don't know if it does
58:18
Speaker 1: anything at that point, but it makes me feel slightly better,
58:20
Speaker 1: and it kind of feels good spraying yourself down with
58:22
Speaker 1: like a water sprayer on like a hot September day
58:25
Speaker 1: when you're heading in. And then every couple of days
58:27
Speaker 1: I usually dumped some water over my head and just
58:29
Speaker 1: take like a hillbilly shower behind the truck, if anything,
58:32
Speaker 1: to feel better and to get the very worst of
58:34
Speaker 1: the stink offf you. Um. And then you know, I
58:38
Speaker 1: have had some scenarios where I brought like an ozone
58:40
Speaker 1: bag and ran my clothes through that, and that maybe
58:42
Speaker 1: helps a little bit too. Again, it's not going to
58:45
Speaker 1: count for all the smell on me still, but I'll
58:47
Speaker 1: do that. I'll leave my clothes hanging out on a branch,
58:49
Speaker 1: that type of deal. All of this maybe helps two percent,
58:52
Speaker 1: three percent, four percent. UM. I don't get too concerned, though,
58:57
Speaker 1: what's the scenario where you almost did this? Till me?
59:01
Speaker 1: I'm some really big national grass land situations. So I
59:07
Speaker 1: found I found some bucks in North Dakota one time
59:10
Speaker 1: that we're way far away from the road, and so
59:14
Speaker 1: I thought about just packing in with a bivvy pack
59:16
Speaker 1: and one stand and just sleeping with them, just to
59:19
Speaker 1: just to make the logistics of the whole thing easier.
59:21
Speaker 1: And I just ended up not part part of the
59:23
Speaker 1: reason I didn't do it is because when I was
59:25
Speaker 1: planning to do it, the year that I came out
59:27
Speaker 1: there where I'm like, I'm gonna this is probably gonna
59:29
Speaker 1: be it. They had built some oil well roads that
59:32
Speaker 1: made access way easier, so it changed the entire dynamic
59:35
Speaker 1: of the situation changed. But it's always been in the
59:37
Speaker 1: back of my mind that that's what that would be
59:40
Speaker 1: a really cool way to do it, Like it's totally doable,
59:43
Speaker 1: and you know, like to kind of piggyback on what
59:44
Speaker 1: Mark said there, I would say, it's almost relieving to
59:49
Speaker 1: go on a hunt where you know you have no
59:51
Speaker 1: control over sent is it. It's it's just it's not
59:54
Speaker 1: like you you have nothing you can do. So we
59:56
Speaker 1: we hunt so many of these early openers for Velvet
1:00:00
Speaker 1: I tals and you're in a tent and we have
1:00:02
Speaker 1: a days where it's like it doesn't get below eighty
1:00:04
Speaker 1: at night, and so you're just a disgusting person like
1:00:08
Speaker 1: you have nothing you can do, and so you just go, Okay,
1:00:10
Speaker 1: that's that's out of my hands. I'm gonna play the wind.
1:00:12
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt. I'm gonna do everything I can to
1:00:14
Speaker 1: hunt the way I want to hunt, and play this wind,
1:00:16
Speaker 1: and just know they get down wind of me, their
1:00:18
Speaker 1: heads are gonna explode because there it's going to be
1:00:20
Speaker 1: disgusting and just own it and try to play around
1:00:24
Speaker 1: it all right. Um, the meanderthal great name asks, what
1:00:33
Speaker 1: are your tactics for hunting open country with little tree
1:00:36
Speaker 1: cover in deep ravines? Hunting in eastern Colorado? And the
1:00:40
Speaker 1: old bucks lounge, feed and sleep in the deep ravines
1:00:42
Speaker 1: and they seldom leave. They've stumped me two years in
1:00:45
Speaker 1: a row by leaving the cut randomly at all hours
1:00:47
Speaker 1: of day and night and reappearing in a different spot
1:00:50
Speaker 1: each day. So this is the kind of thing you
1:00:52
Speaker 1: could experience in eastern Colorado for white tails. I've seen
1:00:55
Speaker 1: this in Nebraska. I've seen this in the Dakotas. Um,
1:00:58
Speaker 1: I've seen this in Montana. I've seen this in Idaho.
1:01:01
Speaker 1: I know that YouTube at least have seen this in
1:01:03
Speaker 1: similar state. Spencer and uh Tony, I don't know, Hay.
1:01:07
Speaker 1: And if you've hunted the western white tails yet, have you? No?
1:01:09
Speaker 1: Not too much so in that kind of open country
1:01:12
Speaker 1: and this could even apply to you. Know, there's somewhat
1:01:14
Speaker 1: similar stuff in Kansas. There's somewhat similar stuff in parts
1:01:17
Speaker 1: of Oklahoma. I mean a lot of open country white
1:01:19
Speaker 1: tail stuff we can talk about here. Uh, if we
1:01:23
Speaker 1: had to have a metaphorical arm wrestling match between Spencer
1:01:26
Speaker 1: and Tony and who's better at killing open country white tails?
1:01:30
Speaker 1: Who would win? I'll give you a bad answer, any
1:01:37
Speaker 1: good answer here? The bad answer is pick up a rifle.
1:01:42
Speaker 1: I knew he was gonna go. Like the margin for air.
1:01:47
Speaker 1: When you don't have to be fifteen yards away and
1:01:49
Speaker 1: you can be three yards away, makes it a hell
1:01:50
Speaker 1: of a lot easier to kill an open country buck.
1:01:53
Speaker 1: So that's my bad answer. And I've killed a lot
1:01:55
Speaker 1: of open country bucks with a rival, so I would
1:01:59
Speaker 1: say I'm a better open country gun hunter than Tony.
1:02:03
Speaker 1: But no question, Okay, what's the good answer is? We
1:02:07
Speaker 1: publish an articles on the Mediator dot com written by
1:02:11
Speaker 1: Tony Peterson called how to kill a white tail Buck
1:02:13
Speaker 1: in CRP. It may not be the perfect um solution
1:02:18
Speaker 1: to what this hunter in eastern Colorado is dealing with,
1:02:21
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be very similar. So I would encourage
1:02:23
Speaker 1: anybody who is struggling with open country white tails to
1:02:27
Speaker 1: go to the Mediator dot com and check out that article.
1:02:31
Speaker 1: So that scenario, this is, this is like so common
1:02:36
Speaker 1: for white tail hunters, right, Like he's he's focusing on
1:02:39
Speaker 1: or this person is focusing on kind of like what
1:02:41
Speaker 1: what's working against him? Right, Like, okay, this is hard
1:02:44
Speaker 1: that there's a randomness to this. They're showing up wherever
1:02:47
Speaker 1: they're they're staying low, and it's like that's all the
1:02:49
Speaker 1: things that are working against you. But what do you
1:02:51
Speaker 1: have when you hunt open country expense? You know this
1:02:54
Speaker 1: first topic, you have some things working for you. You
1:02:57
Speaker 1: have visibility right that you can probably pay more attention
1:03:00
Speaker 1: long range glass those deer better than almost any other scenario.
1:03:05
Speaker 1: You know, Like you take somebody like down in the
1:03:06
Speaker 1: southeast and they're like, oh my god, I'd love to
1:03:08
Speaker 1: see dear once no other than like being right on
1:03:10
Speaker 1: top of them. So you have that when you have
1:03:12
Speaker 1: those ravines there, that's a tough scenario. It just is
1:03:16
Speaker 1: get in and get out. It's usually tight. But those
1:03:19
Speaker 1: deer that I've seen, they can they almost give themselves
1:03:24
Speaker 1: away browsing a lot of times. So you know, you
1:03:26
Speaker 1: usually think an open country you're gonna find them betted,
1:03:29
Speaker 1: and you might, you know, but you also see them
1:03:31
Speaker 1: kind of concentrate on these food sources too in these areas,
1:03:35
Speaker 1: and so that's that's like a smaller advantage than the
1:03:37
Speaker 1: visibility thing. But the other advantage i'd say focus on
1:03:42
Speaker 1: is those ravines, funnel movement, like they go up and
1:03:44
Speaker 1: down them, there's certain places where they cross, like you
1:03:47
Speaker 1: can find trails really etched into that stuff. That that
1:03:52
Speaker 1: kind of terrain a lot of times. And then you
1:03:55
Speaker 1: got to find the ambush point, like how do you
1:03:57
Speaker 1: you know you do gilly up and get in there.
1:03:59
Speaker 1: That that's the hard part, but at least you can
1:04:02
Speaker 1: usually pin down even if it seems random, like Okay,
1:04:05
Speaker 1: I'm following this buck today and he's a mile away,
1:04:08
Speaker 1: but then two days later you see another buck take
1:04:10
Speaker 1: the same road, Like there's not as much randomness maybe
1:04:13
Speaker 1: there as it seems like. And so it's just trying
1:04:15
Speaker 1: to like use that observation to your advantage and then
1:04:17
Speaker 1: pin down where you can you can catch them slipping.
1:04:20
Speaker 1: So one other idea to think about, and we kind
1:04:23
Speaker 1: of did this on a Nebraska hunt I had a
1:04:25
Speaker 1: few years ago, is to your point, you do have
1:04:28
Speaker 1: visibility in your favor, but many of these open country
1:04:31
Speaker 1: type terrains they've got some role to them. They've got cuts,
1:04:35
Speaker 1: they've got ravines, there's ups and downs. So while it's
1:04:37
Speaker 1: open country, there's also a lot of hidden country within it,
1:04:41
Speaker 1: so take advantage of that. One idea here is is
1:04:45
Speaker 1: don't get tied to anyone place. Played on the ground,
1:04:49
Speaker 1: watch for what the random movement of the day of
1:04:52
Speaker 1: the day is, and then make a move on him.
1:04:54
Speaker 1: Almost hunt these deer like you might hunt pronghorn on
1:04:57
Speaker 1: the ground with a bow, see them, and then drop
1:05:00
Speaker 1: into a cut, moving and try to get ahead of them.
1:05:03
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of opportunity in places to
1:05:05
Speaker 1: do that type of thing. I'm imagining the type of
1:05:07
Speaker 1: habitat he's in with some of these ravines and coolies
1:05:09
Speaker 1: and stuff in eastern Colorado, and I bet you that
1:05:11
Speaker 1: could work really well. I think this is definitely less
1:05:15
Speaker 1: over the last five years with some of the media
1:05:17
Speaker 1: coming out, We're seeing the ground hunting can work for
1:05:20
Speaker 1: white tails, So I think it's much less taboo than
1:05:22
Speaker 1: it was a decade ago. But still I think there's
1:05:25
Speaker 1: a lot of us, especially those of us that live
1:05:27
Speaker 1: further east, that are really tied to our trees, and
1:05:30
Speaker 1: in certain situations, there's no reason to believe it can't
1:05:34
Speaker 1: work until you trap, and this might be one of
1:05:36
Speaker 1: those worth trying. What's next, Hiden, You got any question here?
1:05:41
Speaker 1: You really like, Yeah I do. Uh. Josh Arms says,
1:05:46
Speaker 1: I have one thousand dollars to spend on some quality
1:05:50
Speaker 1: gear for deer season. What should I get thousand dollars
1:05:55
Speaker 1: for gear? What should I get? I mean, Okay, we're
1:06:00
Speaker 1: we're contractually oligated to say you can't work for the
1:06:04
Speaker 1: company that first Lets a part of and not say
1:06:06
Speaker 1: you should check out some first Let which is great stuff.
1:06:09
Speaker 1: You should check o out. But let's say something other
1:06:12
Speaker 1: than the company that we work for. Uh, what would
1:06:15
Speaker 1: be something that would be really impactful for a thousand dollars?
1:06:18
Speaker 1: I will I'll let you guys think about it. I'll
1:06:19
Speaker 1: tell you one of the things that for me has
1:06:21
Speaker 1: made the most difference. This is no partnership related. This
1:06:24
Speaker 1: is just like the thing that I love has and
1:06:26
Speaker 1: I've talked about many many times. There's no surprise for anybody.
1:06:30
Speaker 1: But if I look at anything that's impacted my hunting
1:06:32
Speaker 1: more over the last five years, it's been getting a
1:06:35
Speaker 1: damn good, easy portable set of sticks and a saddle
1:06:39
Speaker 1: Like for me, that's changed my game. It's it's allowed
1:06:41
Speaker 1: me to hunt public lands so much more easily. It's
1:06:44
Speaker 1: allowed me to become much more flexible and versatile and
1:06:46
Speaker 1: hunting my private land spots. I love it. I'm done
1:06:50
Speaker 1: with permanent sets. I'm now all about moving from different locations.
1:06:55
Speaker 1: You know, being adaptable and having a set of equipment
1:06:59
Speaker 1: that is really quiet, is really lightweight and simple to use,
1:07:03
Speaker 1: you know, has made a big, big difference for me.
1:07:05
Speaker 1: So for me personally, that means that I've I've been
1:07:08
Speaker 1: using timber Ninja sticks the last year that I fell
1:07:12
Speaker 1: in love with. There's these new tethered ones that I'm
1:07:14
Speaker 1: trying out this year that seemed pretty darn nice too.
1:07:16
Speaker 1: And then I love my tethered saddle, the phantom Um.
1:07:20
Speaker 1: That's my favorite piece right now of anything I'm using
1:07:23
Speaker 1: anyone else. This This won't take up his whole thousand
1:07:26
Speaker 1: dollar budget, but nothing can like ruin a hunt quicker
1:07:30
Speaker 1: than like sore feet or wet feet or cold feet.
1:07:34
Speaker 1: We don't know the situation that Josh is hunting in,
1:07:37
Speaker 1: but if he's primarily gonna be hunting um in like
1:07:40
Speaker 1: Wisconsin starting during the rut, then I would really encourage
1:07:44
Speaker 1: him to like get some good quality warm boots and
1:07:47
Speaker 1: some good quality warm socks. And now there's a lot
1:07:49
Speaker 1: of different companies that make like these booties that you
1:07:51
Speaker 1: can slide over your boots when you're at your tree stand,
1:07:54
Speaker 1: or if he's out west in Idaho and he's gonna
1:07:57
Speaker 1: be hiking a lot um just some shoe day he's
1:08:00
Speaker 1: gonna be comfortable in and that are broken in quickly,
1:08:03
Speaker 1: or shoes they're gonna keep his feet dry if he's
1:08:05
Speaker 1: crossing a lot of water. I think that's just like
1:08:07
Speaker 1: a really important underrated part of any haunting and white
1:08:13
Speaker 1: tail hunting specifically. Yeah, I'm surprised you didn't mention um
1:08:17
Speaker 1: the acorn cruncher or that grunt tube. That grunt tube
1:08:20
Speaker 1: you like that like hangs down to the tree or something. Yeah,
1:08:23
Speaker 1: what are your favorite gimmicks? The ground grunters If you're
1:08:27
Speaker 1: not familiar, it's like a twenty five ft tube that
1:08:31
Speaker 1: runs from your tree stand down to the ground. Uh,
1:08:33
Speaker 1: to make it sound like the deer is grunting at
1:08:36
Speaker 1: eye level rather than up a tree. That could make
1:08:39
Speaker 1: or break a calling sequence. Yeah, honestly, now that that's
1:08:44
Speaker 1: things out of production, you might be able to buy
1:08:46
Speaker 1: one of those for a thousand dollars on eBay. Hayden,
1:08:50
Speaker 1: you got an idea there, Yeah, I mean I would
1:08:53
Speaker 1: say one of the most revolutory things in my own
1:08:55
Speaker 1: hunting is number one, you gotta spend so much time
1:09:01
Speaker 1: you can't kill him if you're not there, right, And
1:09:03
Speaker 1: like that's like kind of the my number one philosophy
1:09:07
Speaker 1: and white Dale hunting. Again, like hunting small tracks, I
1:09:10
Speaker 1: don't have a ton of spots to like move around to,
1:09:13
Speaker 1: so a lot of time it's important for me to
1:09:15
Speaker 1: set up in a creek bottom or travel corridor where
1:09:18
Speaker 1: I can just sit there and be on them and
1:09:21
Speaker 1: stay on them all day. I realized that I had
1:09:25
Speaker 1: never had a hunt really ruined by uh, you know,
1:09:32
Speaker 1: shooting a mid range bow. I realized that I had
1:09:35
Speaker 1: never really had a hunt busted by some you know,
1:09:40
Speaker 1: ground grunt to burn a corn country that I didn't have.
1:09:43
Speaker 1: What I did have a lot of hunts ruined by
1:09:46
Speaker 1: was getting down at two o'clock in uh, in the
1:09:51
Speaker 1: middle of like a November afternoon, or like maybe not
1:09:54
Speaker 1: two o'clock, but like noon and in November afternoon because
1:09:57
Speaker 1: I just wasn't comfortable. So I started investing more in
1:10:02
Speaker 1: my comfort, which meant higher quality clothing so I could
1:10:06
Speaker 1: sit for longer periods of time and not feel uncomfortable
1:10:10
Speaker 1: and not just have that little like voice in the
1:10:12
Speaker 1: back of your head being like, oh man, it would
1:10:15
Speaker 1: be really good to go get a sandwich right now
1:10:17
Speaker 1: and hang out inside and warm up. I can come
1:10:19
Speaker 1: back a couple of hours later, and you know, I
1:10:21
Speaker 1: could probably grease back up into that tree and be okay.
1:10:24
Speaker 1: I started killing a lot more and a lot bigger,
1:10:26
Speaker 1: dear when I invested in my own comfort through clothing.
1:10:31
Speaker 1: The darn good sales pitch, I'm on it it is.
1:10:34
Speaker 1: Don't do you think he has any favorite clothing company?
1:10:36
Speaker 1: I bet he does. We'll let everyone assume I can't
1:10:39
Speaker 1: believe Spencer didn't just jump in there. If you go
1:10:41
Speaker 1: to the mediator dot com, Um, you guys stole all
1:10:47
Speaker 1: my good stuff. But I will say one thing that
1:10:49
Speaker 1: I've really well, there's two things, and I'm just gonna
1:10:52
Speaker 1: throw this out there and I'm gonna leave it, and
1:10:54
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna move on to what I really want
1:10:55
Speaker 1: to talk about. Uh, if you're gonna invest I'm assuming
1:10:57
Speaker 1: this this is a bowl hunter here. Maybe not, but
1:11:00
Speaker 1: it don't buy cheap broadheads. The carvet, a little bit
1:11:04
Speaker 1: of that carve, a little bit of that thousand dollars
1:11:07
Speaker 1: and by some quality broadheads. Uh. The thing that I've
1:11:12
Speaker 1: come to love this kind of this kind of plays
1:11:13
Speaker 1: off what you talked about. It kind of plays off
1:11:15
Speaker 1: what Hayden said is, uh, packs, man, Like I never
1:11:21
Speaker 1: you know, when I was growing up, we just grabbed
1:11:23
Speaker 1: a backpack right like we were like the kids leaving
1:11:25
Speaker 1: first grade recess, Like I just had whatever on my
1:11:28
Speaker 1: back and starting to hunt out west and really paying
1:11:31
Speaker 1: attention to what your backpack means. It's it's it's changes
1:11:35
Speaker 1: your whole worldview on that. And you know what it's
1:11:38
Speaker 1: like you carry a bunch of camera gear out there,
1:11:40
Speaker 1: and you know if you're carrying in sticks in a
1:11:42
Speaker 1: stand or just your sticks or whatever, or the all
1:11:44
Speaker 1: day sit and you're thinking, like, man, I I'm a
1:11:48
Speaker 1: coffee addict, Like I'd like to have two things of
1:11:50
Speaker 1: coffee here, dude, I'm like, but I hope so people, dude,
1:11:59
Speaker 1: White people who are listening to this are probably like,
1:12:02
Speaker 1: I wonder who's the bigger addict, Hayden or Tony like
1:12:07
Speaker 1: throwing all these little hits like oh, we're micro dosing.
1:12:11
Speaker 1: We're listening to Bob Marley, Like, no, I if I'm
1:12:14
Speaker 1: gonna sit all day. Yeah, I will have coffee. I
1:12:18
Speaker 1: can't help it. It's the it's my drug, a choice, man.
1:12:20
Speaker 1: And just just having the stuff there that I need
1:12:24
Speaker 1: to sit all day, and maybe some different layers of
1:12:26
Speaker 1: clothing depending on what's going to happen, and just just
1:12:30
Speaker 1: having your entire day's worth of stuff just secure, easy
1:12:34
Speaker 1: to carry if you're going in a long ways and
1:12:37
Speaker 1: then that pack situation so often for me, where I'm
1:12:41
Speaker 1: hunting turns into my game recovery vehicle, you know. So
1:12:45
Speaker 1: it's like, you know how that is where a lot
1:12:48
Speaker 1: of people think about, like I don't want to hunt
1:12:50
Speaker 1: down there because I don't want to get it dear. Oh,
1:12:51
Speaker 1: Like if you if you have the means to piece
1:12:53
Speaker 1: them out and carry them out and you and you
1:12:55
Speaker 1: have the pack to do it, you don't think about it.
1:12:57
Speaker 1: I mean, you think about it, but it doesn't it's
1:12:58
Speaker 1: not a hindrance anymore. And so that's kind of been
1:13:01
Speaker 1: like going more of a western route with my packs
1:13:04
Speaker 1: has kind of changed how I look at white till hunting.
1:13:06
Speaker 1: And that's you know, it's kind of situationally specific. If
1:13:08
Speaker 1: I was walking out the back door to hunt three
1:13:11
Speaker 1: yards from my house would be a different deal. You know. Yeah,
1:13:15
Speaker 1: good tangentially, Uh, A good pack and quality clothing arguably
1:13:22
Speaker 1: saved my dad's life. He fell out of a tree
1:13:25
Speaker 1: stand from like twenty feet up and had a good
1:13:29
Speaker 1: pack full of extra layers with him, landed on his back,
1:13:33
Speaker 1: ended up breaking his back. He can walk, He's okay now. Uh.
1:13:37
Speaker 1: In fact, we just did an archery I'll hunt this
1:13:39
Speaker 1: last this last year. You know, the dude sixty seven
1:13:42
Speaker 1: and bulletproof, but fell down and the only thing that
1:13:46
Speaker 1: saved him was landing on these It's Pennsylvania, so we
1:13:50
Speaker 1: got kind of some glacial boulders and stuff like that
1:13:53
Speaker 1: in the air that we hunt in northeastern Pennsylvania, and
1:13:57
Speaker 1: uh bounced right off that. I mean he still had
1:13:59
Speaker 1: to crawl all a half mile back to like his
1:14:02
Speaker 1: car to go get help and ended up I think
1:14:05
Speaker 1: getting an ambulance ride all the way down from Northeastern
1:14:07
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania to Penn Hospital in Philadelphia. But the yeah, it
1:14:13
Speaker 1: was pretty wild. But um, you know, another benefits to
1:14:19
Speaker 1: be made for extra layers. Hayden has a lot of
1:14:21
Speaker 1: people in his life in like full body cast his
1:14:25
Speaker 1: rodeo clown girlfriend. Oh yeah, another thing that's snagging to
1:14:34
Speaker 1: eat up this guy's thousand dollar budget. Um, and I
1:14:37
Speaker 1: think it's criminally underpriced. Is an on X subscription, It's
1:14:41
Speaker 1: it's only thirty dollars for a single state, Like I
1:14:44
Speaker 1: I would literally pay two dollars for it because South
1:14:47
Speaker 1: Dakota was like sort of one of the last states
1:14:50
Speaker 1: to get added. So as of five years ago, when
1:14:52
Speaker 1: I was hunting in South Dakota, the alternative it was
1:14:55
Speaker 1: me hauling around a stack of plot books that I
1:14:57
Speaker 1: would then have to like second reference on Google Earth,
1:15:00
Speaker 1: and then I'd still end up knocking on the wrong
1:15:01
Speaker 1: door or not being able to find the person's tax
1:15:04
Speaker 1: address to to track down the right phone number. Um. So,
1:15:08
Speaker 1: whether you're like just hunting a singular property in Iowa
1:15:13
Speaker 1: or you're hunting a lot of public land in West Virginia, like,
1:15:17
Speaker 1: it's good for anybody, and it's like almost hard to
1:15:21
Speaker 1: fathom not having it at this point. Yeah, I agree.
1:15:24
Speaker 1: And this has got a thousand bucks by the full
1:15:27
Speaker 1: the full country for a hundred. So then you can travel,
1:15:30
Speaker 1: you can dream, you can scout all those future hunts.
1:15:32
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time doing that. Just you
1:15:34
Speaker 1: know what I'm intrigued by that spot in Ohio. Click Ohio,
1:15:37
Speaker 1: pop that one on. I can see everything I need
1:15:39
Speaker 1: to see. I mean, it's a lot better way to
1:15:41
Speaker 1: spend or even and then watching some ship on HBO
1:15:44
Speaker 1: or something. You know. All right, two final questions. Then
1:15:47
Speaker 1: we gotta wrap this up. For new public land hunters,
1:15:51
Speaker 1: how should they approach conflicts on public land? We've all
1:15:54
Speaker 1: heard the stories about new hunters that run into people
1:15:56
Speaker 1: who have hunted the same spot for years and claim
1:15:58
Speaker 1: it as their spot, and things get host Still, it's
1:16:01
Speaker 1: gonna be very discouraging to a new hunter. What can
1:16:03
Speaker 1: be done to dissolve the situation and improve the quality
1:16:06
Speaker 1: of hunting? This comes from Zach Wortz, who's had a
1:16:10
Speaker 1: bad public land experience like that? Raise your hand? So
1:16:14
Speaker 1: four out of four of us, um who's had the
1:16:18
Speaker 1: worst experience like that? Has anyone had a firearm or
1:16:21
Speaker 1: bowl uh menaced at them? Has anyone felt your life threatened?
1:16:26
Speaker 1: I have a buddy who down in Florida was forced
1:16:30
Speaker 1: off a turkey hunting until this year. I took him
1:16:33
Speaker 1: out for his first turkey hunt in quite some time.
1:16:36
Speaker 1: He got up on somebody somebody's spot on public land,
1:16:40
Speaker 1: the dude came in, informed him that he was on
1:16:43
Speaker 1: his spot, and then escorted him off his spot at gunpoint. No, unreal, Ah,
1:16:51
Speaker 1: I've not had anything that negative fortunately, Uh Tony Man,
1:16:59
Speaker 1: you just have run ins, right, Like, I mean, it's
1:17:02
Speaker 1: just that that's scary, you know. I mean, that's time
1:17:05
Speaker 1: to call the sheriff and and get that that dude
1:17:06
Speaker 1: needs to go, Like that's criminal. Um, It's just it's
1:17:10
Speaker 1: just a matter of, you know, treat people well. And
1:17:14
Speaker 1: I just in the encounters I've had, even with people
1:17:17
Speaker 1: who are just like trying to own a spot or
1:17:20
Speaker 1: something like that, I usually just try to find somewhere else,
1:17:25
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I've had I've had people try
1:17:27
Speaker 1: to you know. And I think Spencer, you might have
1:17:29
Speaker 1: a connection to South Dakota. Did you mention that you
1:17:32
Speaker 1: where I have had some situations and you and I
1:17:37
Speaker 1: were talking about this a little bit yesterday with with
1:17:39
Speaker 1: people in South Dakota who I think we're guiding on
1:17:41
Speaker 1: public land and they were trying to kind of like
1:17:43
Speaker 1: bully us off, and I'm just like, if I suspect
1:17:48
Speaker 1: something like that, I'm just going back. I'm calling the CEO.
1:17:50
Speaker 1: I'm like I don't know. You might want to dig
1:17:51
Speaker 1: into this this guy sucks and he's he's taking this
1:17:54
Speaker 1: stuff way too far, you know. But most interactions are
1:17:56
Speaker 1: just you just bumping into somebody and it sucks because
1:17:58
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, just dicks in my spot and he's like,
1:18:00
Speaker 1: oh God, this guy sucks, he's in my spot. That's
1:18:03
Speaker 1: just that's just how it works. Yeah. I think those
1:18:06
Speaker 1: things are usually fine. Like you said, each one of
1:18:09
Speaker 1: you out go your own way and be friendly and
1:18:13
Speaker 1: try to go about your own thing. I think that's
1:18:15
Speaker 1: how most go. So to anyone listening, I would say,
1:18:18
Speaker 1: don't be terrified away from public land because of the
1:18:21
Speaker 1: one bad story heard. Uh. Most of the time, it's
1:18:24
Speaker 1: not like that. Uh. To your point, Tony, my approach
1:18:27
Speaker 1: has always been be kind, treating the way you'd like
1:18:29
Speaker 1: to be treated, and then go find somewhere else. I
1:18:32
Speaker 1: just don't want to deal with people if I don't
1:18:33
Speaker 1: have to, so I'd rather avoid them. And this this
1:18:36
Speaker 1: is like a very privileged, uh suggestion of my I
1:18:40
Speaker 1: in because of the job I have and because I
1:18:42
Speaker 1: don't have any kids to take care of anything like that.
1:18:44
Speaker 1: But hunting weekdays are just so much better than hunting weekends,
1:18:47
Speaker 1: when you're hunting like a shared permission place or public land.
1:18:51
Speaker 1: I know it's helped me kill more deer in turkeys,
1:18:53
Speaker 1: being able to be in the woods like Tuesday through
1:18:55
Speaker 1: Thursday rather than Friday through Sunday. Um. And I understand
1:19:00
Speaker 1: that everybody has like the benefit of of doing that,
1:19:03
Speaker 1: but when you can, it's it's just a much better experience.
1:19:06
Speaker 1: You're gonna avoid these situations a lot more. Very good idea,
1:19:11
Speaker 1: very good point. Last question, this comes from ACU Sick
1:19:17
Speaker 1: maybe or a cusic like John cus Cusack Cusack, something
1:19:26
Speaker 1: like that. My question, his question, Her question says, my
1:19:30
Speaker 1: question comes from the mindset of someone who's first archery
1:19:33
Speaker 1: season was last year. I spent a lot of time
1:19:36
Speaker 1: absorbing content over the last two years trying to scout,
1:19:38
Speaker 1: understand betting areas, travel routes, and access all important stuff.
1:19:43
Speaker 1: My question is, if you had a new archery hunter,
1:19:46
Speaker 1: but someone who's who's had experienced hunting in the woods,
1:19:49
Speaker 1: what one, two, or maybe three things would you tell
1:19:51
Speaker 1: that person to really focus on and absorb. There's a
1:19:54
Speaker 1: lot to learn, and I'm really just trying to find
1:19:56
Speaker 1: out where to start. Great question, and there's a lot
1:20:00
Speaker 1: of new hunters out there today, and there's a ton
1:20:03
Speaker 1: of advice on what to do. There's eighteen thousand podcasts,
1:20:07
Speaker 1: YouTube series, articles, books, magazines all telling you do this,
1:20:10
Speaker 1: do this, do this, do this. That can be overwhelming. UM.
1:20:16
Speaker 1: So let's each have one idea for a new hunter
1:20:19
Speaker 1: how to make sense of this wild world of new
1:20:23
Speaker 1: white tail information which is telling you to do all
1:20:25
Speaker 1: sorts of different things, sometimes contradicting things, UM, Spencer Go.
1:20:35
Speaker 1: One of the things that I struggled with when I
1:20:37
Speaker 1: first started both hunting UM, and it was my fault,
1:20:41
Speaker 1: but it was also sort of because of the content
1:20:43
Speaker 1: that I was consuming, was that I did not get
1:20:48
Speaker 1: aggressive enough when I was haunting. And I think this
1:20:51
Speaker 1: has been a huge transition in like the last decade
1:20:54
Speaker 1: when it comes to white tail media. A decade ago,
1:20:57
Speaker 1: a lot of what you would see on TV or
1:21:00
Speaker 1: YouTube or reading magazines was sort of centered around like
1:21:04
Speaker 1: these manicured properties that are really well managed in the Midwest.
1:21:09
Speaker 1: The reality is most people aren't hunting that way, and
1:21:11
Speaker 1: so they have the ability to not pressure a deer,
1:21:15
Speaker 1: not get close to a deer's bed. All the way
1:21:18
Speaker 1: until November five, when it cold front rolls through and
1:21:21
Speaker 1: I sort of applied that to my own hunting for
1:21:23
Speaker 1: the first couple of years, and then I realized that
1:21:26
Speaker 1: it was it was a mistake on my end. I
1:21:28
Speaker 1: needed to be more aggressive. I only have so many opportunities,
1:21:30
Speaker 1: so many weekends to be in the woods, um that
1:21:34
Speaker 1: I couldn't afford to just like sit on the edge
1:21:36
Speaker 1: of this timber or sit on the edge of this
1:21:39
Speaker 1: bean field all season until November one got here. And
1:21:44
Speaker 1: I think, like I said, it's been sort of a
1:21:46
Speaker 1: shift in white tail media with more people like Tony
1:21:49
Speaker 1: Peterson that have a platform, more people like the hunting
1:21:52
Speaker 1: public that are really aggressive. I'm not saying that's the
1:21:55
Speaker 1: answer in every scenario that you need to like go
1:21:57
Speaker 1: busting into beds and try to do this bump and
1:21:59
Speaker 1: dump thing and get in gilli suits and try to
1:22:02
Speaker 1: reap deer, but it's like it's something in the middle there.
1:22:07
Speaker 1: And I think, if if you're only consuming one of
1:22:10
Speaker 1: those things, the manicured ultra unpressured thing or the high
1:22:15
Speaker 1: pressured thing, you're probably gonna make some mistakes. And I
1:22:18
Speaker 1: I fell in the camp of I was not near
1:22:20
Speaker 1: aggressive enough for my first couple of years of haunting
1:22:22
Speaker 1: and it probably costs me some opportunities that dear, yeah,
1:22:25
Speaker 1: absolutely on that one. What do you got tony Um?
1:22:28
Speaker 1: I would just piggyback on what what Spence said there
1:22:31
Speaker 1: and and say that the benefit to the modern hunting
1:22:36
Speaker 1: the amount of content we have now is that you
1:22:39
Speaker 1: can curate the kind of content that is more, you know,
1:22:43
Speaker 1: closely relatable to your your own situation. And I would
1:22:47
Speaker 1: use that as much as you can. But I would
1:22:49
Speaker 1: also say don't ever let anything you read or here
1:22:53
Speaker 1: or somebody else say influence whether you're gonna go into
1:22:56
Speaker 1: the woods or not. Like when you're when you're starting out,
1:22:59
Speaker 1: you have access to all these amazing people who have
1:23:02
Speaker 1: done a lot of good stuff out there there there,
1:23:05
Speaker 1: they learn that stuff through experience, so you can kind
1:23:08
Speaker 1: of jump start that. You can, you can, you can
1:23:10
Speaker 1: get a little ahead with it, but really to get good,
1:23:13
Speaker 1: you gotta get in there. You just you gotta go.
1:23:15
Speaker 1: You gotta make those mistakes. And you know, kind of
1:23:17
Speaker 1: Dispenser's point, like if you're going in and you're kind
1:23:20
Speaker 1: of you're kind of leaning one way, you're being real cautious,
1:23:22
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm not gonna pressure I'm not gonna
1:23:24
Speaker 1: do it and it's not working, you're not enjoying it,
1:23:26
Speaker 1: or you're not having those those encounters that you think
1:23:29
Speaker 1: that it might be time to switch things up a
1:23:30
Speaker 1: little bit, get a little bit more aggressive, or try
1:23:32
Speaker 1: something different and just learn out there. Yeah, you you
1:23:36
Speaker 1: stole my two ideas. Uh so thanks for that. What
1:23:40
Speaker 1: I would say is that to your point, don't ever
1:23:45
Speaker 1: let this whole idea of being selective when you hunt
1:23:49
Speaker 1: or where you hunt, or if you go in the
1:23:52
Speaker 1: woods or not. Don't ever let that keep you from
1:23:54
Speaker 1: gaining that experience. The number one way to learn when
1:23:57
Speaker 1: you're new is just being out there in the woods.
1:23:59
Speaker 1: You have to just so while you might hear me
1:24:01
Speaker 1: preach sometimes, you know, fewer smarter hunts is better than
1:24:05
Speaker 1: a whole lot of dumb hunts. I'd rather have a
1:24:08
Speaker 1: whole lot of dumb hunts when I'm brand new. So
1:24:10
Speaker 1: while maybe I'm going to go out on a i
1:24:12
Speaker 1: might only hunt four times on a particular property because
1:24:15
Speaker 1: i know the right times to hunt, and I'm gonna
1:24:16
Speaker 1: observe and I'm gonna be careful on a strike. You know,
1:24:19
Speaker 1: you hear sometimes talk about surgical strike type hunting. We
1:24:22
Speaker 1: wait for the right moment, and you know when the
1:24:24
Speaker 1: right moment is, and you go in and you can
1:24:25
Speaker 1: kill him in a couple of sits. That's great for
1:24:27
Speaker 1: someone who has a lot of experience. That's a very
1:24:29
Speaker 1: bad idea to try to do if you were brand new,
1:24:32
Speaker 1: Do not be surgical. Take the shotgun approach. When you're
1:24:34
Speaker 1: brand new, go out there and hunt a bunch, hunt dumb,
1:24:37
Speaker 1: do crazy things. Just see what happens. So consume all
1:24:41
Speaker 1: this media if you want, but don't get married to
1:24:44
Speaker 1: anyone type or anyone person. It's okay to be polygamous
1:24:48
Speaker 1: when you're an early deer hunter, right right, I say
1:24:51
Speaker 1: that right, polygamy in the deer hunting world. And by
1:24:56
Speaker 1: that I mean by that I mean try different things.
1:25:00
Speaker 1: So take the approach of like sitting and being conservative.
1:25:05
Speaker 1: You're laughing too much, Tony knocking off my game here,
1:25:09
Speaker 1: Just go ahead. What I'm trying to say is, try
1:25:13
Speaker 1: the Spencer new Heart approach one day. Try the Tony
1:25:17
Speaker 1: Peterson approach one day. Listen to what Zack Farrenboss says.
1:25:21
Speaker 1: Try that one day. Go out and do what you
1:25:24
Speaker 1: heard Adam Hayes talk about in the podcast try that
1:25:26
Speaker 1: one time, Try all these different things. You don't need
1:25:28
Speaker 1: to get stuck on anyone, and and then ask why,
1:25:32
Speaker 1: like what happened and why you tried this thing that
1:25:35
Speaker 1: did not work? Why not? What did I learned? How
1:25:37
Speaker 1: did the dear react? What did I find in this area?
1:25:40
Speaker 1: Try this other thing that worked really well? Why did
1:25:43
Speaker 1: that work well in this situation? Why did that deer
1:25:45
Speaker 1: do what he did? Why was my setup right in
1:25:47
Speaker 1: this case? But two days ago when I tried that
1:25:49
Speaker 1: other thing, why didn't that work? Try these things and
1:25:52
Speaker 1: then reflect on it, Think about what happened and what
1:25:55
Speaker 1: might have been behind that. That's how you get better.
1:25:58
Speaker 1: You don't get better by listening to ten thou podcasts
1:26:00
Speaker 1: and never trying anything. You don't get better listening to
1:26:03
Speaker 1: ten thousand podcasts and only doing the one thing because
1:26:05
Speaker 1: you think this guy is the best, and then you
1:26:08
Speaker 1: just stick to that one thing, even though it's completely
1:26:10
Speaker 1: relevant to where you hunt or what you do. So
1:26:12
Speaker 1: try a lot, learn, adjust, and have low standards when
1:26:18
Speaker 1: it comes to shooting deer. When you're getting started, don't
1:26:20
Speaker 1: feel like you need to hold out for some kind
1:26:22
Speaker 1: of old deer or quote unquote big deer or whatever.
1:26:26
Speaker 1: When you're getting started, and even if you're doing this forever,
1:26:29
Speaker 1: if you have if you get a kick out of
1:26:30
Speaker 1: shooting a spike, do it. But if you're brand new,
1:26:34
Speaker 1: do not feel pressure to wait for a buck or
1:26:36
Speaker 1: to wait for anything. One of the biggest things, one
1:26:38
Speaker 1: of my greatest regrets as a young hunter, was that
1:26:41
Speaker 1: for some reason, I thought my first deer had to
1:26:42
Speaker 1: be a buck, and I hunted in a place where
1:26:45
Speaker 1: I saw very few bucks. With the first fifteen years
1:26:47
Speaker 1: of my hunting experience, my first fifteen years hunting that
1:26:50
Speaker 1: I can remember. So some of that was sitting with
1:26:52
Speaker 1: my dad, some of that was sitting by myself. I
1:26:54
Speaker 1: think I saw three bucks in fifteen years, right. I
1:26:57
Speaker 1: hunt it up in the big woods in northern Michigan,
1:26:59
Speaker 1: and you'd be ucky if for the whole season you
1:27:01
Speaker 1: saw five deer. And so I'd see does. But I
1:27:04
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna shoot a dough. And then I started bow
1:27:05
Speaker 1: hunting on my own in southern Michigan. I had three
1:27:07
Speaker 1: acres to hunt, and I had all sorts of shot
1:27:10
Speaker 1: of dos, but nope, I gotta shoot a buck. I
1:27:12
Speaker 1: gotta shoot a buck. I gottahoot a buck. And so
1:27:13
Speaker 1: I finally got a shot at a nice big buck
1:27:15
Speaker 1: actually coming out, and I've never done this thing before,
1:27:18
Speaker 1: so I couldn't handle the moment of truth. I knocked
1:27:20
Speaker 1: the arrow off the rest and the big deer runs away.
1:27:22
Speaker 1: Then I finally get a shot in another buck. I've
1:27:23
Speaker 1: never done this before. I could have shot fifty doughs
1:27:25
Speaker 1: over the course of the last ten years, but never
1:27:27
Speaker 1: done this before. So I freaked out, and I shoot
1:27:29
Speaker 1: a tree. You know, if I had been shooting doughs
1:27:32
Speaker 1: from the time I could have, I would have gotten
1:27:34
Speaker 1: through a lot more. I would have learned a lot
1:27:36
Speaker 1: more about how to handle those final moments, and that
1:27:39
Speaker 1: would have helped me grow tremendously in those early years
1:27:42
Speaker 1: of my hunting experience. So I would just tell you
1:27:45
Speaker 1: experienced the whole thing. Don't put any kind of arbitrary
1:27:51
Speaker 1: boundaries on what you can or should do just because
1:27:53
Speaker 1: someone else doesn't. Go out there, have a good time,
1:27:56
Speaker 1: try a lot of new stuff learned, and enjoy the learning,
1:28:00
Speaker 1: the outcome, the end outcome. As much as I know
1:28:02
Speaker 1: we all want to get the thing. We want to
1:28:04
Speaker 1: put a tag on a deer. That's what we're trying
1:28:06
Speaker 1: to do remember that the real joy and the fun
1:28:09
Speaker 1: and the thing is the process. If I just gave
1:28:13
Speaker 1: you a dead deer, that would mean nothing to you
1:28:16
Speaker 1: compared to having months and months or years of work
1:28:19
Speaker 1: into it. So don't ever forget to enjoy that process. Hey,
1:28:24
Speaker 1: I think you gotta wrap us up. Ah. I agree
1:28:29
Speaker 1: with all the mentality stuff, and I think that those
1:28:31
Speaker 1: are all like super excellent points. Deer hunting is the
1:28:35
Speaker 1: mentality you approach it with, right. I'm going to offer
1:28:38
Speaker 1: a little bit of tactical kind of advice, and that's
1:28:44
Speaker 1: I see so many new hunters get hung up on,
1:28:49
Speaker 1: you know, spraying themselves down with like send control, or
1:28:52
Speaker 1: like covering themselves with like fox p or or like
1:28:56
Speaker 1: or like all these things, all of which can be
1:28:58
Speaker 1: good to a certain extent. I would say my one
1:29:01
Speaker 1: piece of advice for a new hunter is to gain
1:29:03
Speaker 1: a really intimate understanding of the wind in relation to
1:29:09
Speaker 1: where you're hunting and how you're hunting. Once I realized that, yeah, sure,
1:29:14
Speaker 1: every now and again, like a deer would come by
1:29:17
Speaker 1: and I'd be about to line up for the shot.
1:29:19
Speaker 1: It would win me a twenty thirty yards and it
1:29:22
Speaker 1: would get out of there I realized that there were
1:29:24
Speaker 1: probably ten times as many deer that had circled around
1:29:28
Speaker 1: three hundred yards down from a bad set up and
1:29:32
Speaker 1: blew out before I ever even knew that they were there. Um,
1:29:36
Speaker 1: so really have an understanding of not only how the
1:29:39
Speaker 1: wind works in like kind of like a straight way,
1:29:42
Speaker 1: but also how it's working in creek bottoms where you
1:29:45
Speaker 1: have that cold creek bringing the wind down, or on
1:29:48
Speaker 1: a hillside or a narrower vine or things like that.
1:29:52
Speaker 1: I would say that it's probably my best piece of
1:29:54
Speaker 1: advice for a new hunter. Good stuff. That was definitely
1:29:58
Speaker 1: another one of those things I was not doing right
1:29:59
Speaker 1: in the early years. I remember so many times, and
1:30:04
Speaker 1: I don't know why no one in my family cared
1:30:05
Speaker 1: about wind or thought about wind, but so many times
1:30:09
Speaker 1: I go back to the cabin and be like, man,
1:30:12
Speaker 1: I don't know if the dear they spooted again. I
1:30:14
Speaker 1: didn't move, I didn't make any noise. I don't understand
1:30:16
Speaker 1: what was going on, but they buggered out of there.
1:30:18
Speaker 1: I don't get it. And no one was like, oh
1:30:21
Speaker 1: when nope, We're just like I don't know either. We're
1:30:27
Speaker 1: kind behind the times on that. All right, Well, uh,
1:30:31
Speaker 1: This is good stuff, guys. I appreciate you taking the time. Uh, Spencer,
1:30:34
Speaker 1: you want to tell everyone about where they can find
1:30:36
Speaker 1: all the new wired hunt goodness again, No, you're good,
1:30:40
Speaker 1: You're really good at this. I want you to lean
1:30:42
Speaker 1: into it. You can go to the media dot com
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Speaker 1: and somewhere on the home page you're gonna find an
1:30:46
Speaker 1: easy way to navigate to all the wired hunt content
1:30:49
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1:30:54
Speaker 1: new podcast, new videos, new articles, and lots more coming
1:30:58
Speaker 1: your way. I appreciate you follow on along being a
1:31:00
Speaker 1: part of this Wired to Hunt community. It's pretty awesome
1:31:03
Speaker 1: to see this thing is still around more than ten
1:31:06
Speaker 1: years after it started. So thanks for being a part
1:31:09
Speaker 1: of the ride. Thanks for joining us for this next phase,
1:31:12
Speaker 1: and uh, until next time, stay wired to hunt nice,
1:31:23
Speaker 1: really professionally to get my hand on my phone and
1:31:25
Speaker 1: just fumble it right into the mic, Spencer, I think
1:31:32
Speaker 1: we gotta leave that. Yeah, thanks guys,