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encuentros con FANTASMAS y entes que habitaban mi CASA · Podcast Extra Anormal

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  Speaker 1: Y ella tenía el rosario todavía en las manos.
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  Speaker 2: Ahí se lo dejé. Mi mamá me dijo, es lo
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  Speaker 2: peor que pudiste haber hecho. No sé si tú sepas
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  Speaker 2: de esta creencia que cuando algún familiar muere, tuyo, no
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  Speaker 2: le puedes dar algo tuyo porque si no te lleva.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, how are you, friends?
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  Speaker 4: Welcome to one more chapter of Extra Normal Podcast. My
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  Speaker 4: name is Paco Arias and I am very happy to
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  Speaker 4: be here with all of you again.
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  Speaker 3: On this occasion I meet the great David Higareda. How
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  Speaker 3: are you, friend?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, well, first of all, thank you, thank you for
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  Speaker 1: the great thing.
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  Speaker 2: I think I say it because of the age, but no,
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  Speaker 2: but the truth is, thank you very much.
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  Speaker 1: I am delighted to be here, to be sharing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, a new experience in these issues that the truth
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  Speaker 2: is that when they sent me the invitation, I was
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  Speaker 2: commenting here this to Paco that I.
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  Speaker 1: Said this as if it were very.
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  Speaker 2: Rare, but when I investigated I said wow, the truth is,
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  Speaker 2: this is a very good project. It's when I said yes,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to support, we're going to do a collaboration
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  Speaker 2: and thank you, the truth, thank you for the invitation.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you David. The truth is that.
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  Speaker 4: Te voy a ser sincero, como le digo a varias
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  Speaker 4: personas que he estado invitando, cuando inicio el proyecto se
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  Speaker 4: me ocurre invitar a varias personas aquí que son conocidas
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  Speaker 4: aquí de la región. Obviamente pensé en ti y pues
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  Speaker 4: me da muchísimo gusto que te des la vuelta. Gracias
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  Speaker 4: por darte la vuelta. Y antes de comenzar chicos, si
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  Speaker 4: aún es la primera vez que nos empiezan a seguir,
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  Speaker 4: siempre en este proyecto le pedimos a todos los seguidores
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  Speaker 4: que apoyen a todos los invitados de Podcast Extranormal para
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  Speaker 4: que conozcan the work that each one of our guests
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  Speaker 4: does on this occasion.
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  Speaker 3: How do you find yourself, David?
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  Speaker 2: Look, in my social networks, well, right now I'm a
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  Speaker 2: little away from the local and state media, but there
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  Speaker 2: we are uploading stories, collaborations with some companies. Through my
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  Speaker 2: social networks, on Facebook, you can find me on my page,
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  Speaker 2: David Higareda, and on Instagram you can find me as
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  Speaker 2: David Higareda MX.
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  Speaker 4: Perfect, brother, just like here they will be appearing on
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  Speaker 4: the screen, some of your social networks and just like guys,
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  Speaker 4: if they still don't follow us on Facebook, we also
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  Speaker 4: already have a fan page, they find us as an
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  Speaker 4: extra normal podcast. If you have not yet subscribed to
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  Speaker 4: the YouTube channel, I invite you to do so. Activate
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  Speaker 4: the bell to let you know every time we upload
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  Speaker 4: a new chapter and obviously that you also join the
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  Speaker 4: community of Tik Tok, which we are already celebrating the
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  Speaker 4: three hundred and fifty thousand followers.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks to all the support of all of you guys.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks from the heart.
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  Speaker 4: Y bueno, vamos a empezar con este capítulo que la
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  Speaker 4: verdad va a estar canijo.
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  Speaker 3: Vi tus historias por ahí.
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  Speaker 4: Vi que pediste también algunas historias de parte de tus seguidores.
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  Speaker 3: Entonces yo sé que esto va a estar bien cabrón, David.
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  Speaker 4: Y pues normalmente empiezo este podcast, lo iniciamos cuando yo
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  Speaker 4: le pregunto a mi invitado si en este caso tú
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  Speaker 4: crees en el tema paranormal.
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  Speaker 2: Sí, sí creo porque me han pasado varias cosas y
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  Speaker 2: yo siempre he dicho que Well, in my family and
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  Speaker 2: all that, there is a belief that some people are
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  Speaker 2: more sensitive to capture this type of things. And I,
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  Speaker 2: at least, consider myself that I am of that type
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  Speaker 2: of people. I don't say it openly because, as I
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  Speaker 2: mentioned outside the air, sometimes they drive us crazy. So
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  Speaker 2: they are issues that sometimes we tell them and they
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  Speaker 2: don't believe us.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, this guy is crazy, I don't know, etc. But
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  Speaker 1: I say to my.
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  Speaker 2: 36 years, several things have happened to me and several
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  Speaker 2: things continue to happen to me. I am very sensitive
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  Speaker 2: to detecting paranormal things in my home mainly and feeling
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  Speaker 2: them or feeling at that moment that something happens and
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  Speaker 2: my skin gets tiny.
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  Speaker 1: So yes, I think the truth.
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  Speaker 3: What is the experience, David, that made you change?
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  Speaker 4: Tu forma de pensar, porque muchas personas, no sé si
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  Speaker 4: tú entres dentro de ese círculo, dicen, yo no creo
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  Speaker 4: en esto, yo soy muy escéptico, yo tengo que ver
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  Speaker 4: para creer. No sé si tú fuiste de esas personas,
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  Speaker 4: pero¿ cuál fue la experiencia que marcó tu vida y
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  Speaker 4: te hizo ver las cosas de forma diferente?
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  Speaker 2: Mira, una de las primeras experiencias que yo tengo, digo,
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  Speaker 2: estaba yo muy pequeño, creo que tenía alrededor de 7,
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  Speaker 2: 8 años por ahí. En ese momento fue para mí
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  Speaker 2: algo pasajero. But with the passage of time, I began
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  Speaker 2: to have a little more maturity, etc. And as I
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  Speaker 2: was starting to see or capture more things, I said,
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  Speaker 2: what happened to me at that time, it is something
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  Speaker 2: that from there, I mean, it did mark me at
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  Speaker 2: that moment. I was 7 or 8 years old, here
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  Speaker 2: in the city of Tucepec I have my house, the
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  Speaker 2: house of all of you. And I was with my family,
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  Speaker 2: we were all together, it was a Sunday, I remember
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  Speaker 2: it was a Sunday, at night, we met as a
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  Speaker 2: family on Sundays to watch a program on television, when
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  Speaker 2: television was 100%. And we were at home, my mom,
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  Speaker 2: my grandmother, an uncle, an aunt, and my brother. I
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  Speaker 2: have a brother who is a friend, a cousin. We
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  Speaker 2: were the only two children at that time. And I remember,
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  Speaker 2: as it was a Sunday, already at night, and I
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  Speaker 2: live in the suburb of Barabela Camacho, so at that time,
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  Speaker 2: at night, little cars passed. Apart from the fact that
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  Speaker 2: there was a alley, not many cars passed.
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  Speaker 1: No one had animals there. And I swear we were watching,
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember what program, when suddenly....
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  Speaker 2: Yo recuerdo que más o menos eran entre 9 y
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  Speaker 2: 10 de la noche. Escuchamos literalmente cómo aruñaban las ventanas
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  Speaker 2: de la casa.
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  Speaker 3: No manches.
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  Speaker 1: Y no fue una vez. O sea, ahorita lo dije. Sí, sí. No,
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  Speaker 1: o sea, te lo juro, lo siento otra vez. O sea,
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  Speaker 1: el escalofrío. Era.
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  Speaker 2: Fue una vez. Aruñan así como tipo, no sé, Freddy Krueger.
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  Speaker 3: Ah, sí, sí, con sus garras,¿ no?
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  Speaker 1: Se escuchaban. Entonces, ponte que aquí adelante estaba... El.
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  Speaker 2: Televisor Nosotros estábamos sentados en la sala Y atrás de
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  Speaker 2: nosotros Estaban Están las ventanas Porque sigue siendo tan solo
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  Speaker 2: la casa Como las exámenes Así Así Entonces Y atrás
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  Speaker 2: de esas ventanas Una pared Que es un Un mini
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  Speaker 2: patio de Dos metros Y nosotros al momento pensamos Dije
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  Speaker 2: Ay Pues un animal Un gato Y mi mamá enseguida
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  Speaker 2: salió Y no No había absolutamente nada Lo dejamos pasar
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  Speaker 2: We all sat down again and again, you can clearly hear, but.
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  Speaker 1: It was when we all said, what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: And at that moment I remember that we stopped, I
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  Speaker 2: was 7 or 8 years old, I was scared. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if I hugged my brother or my family,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: We sat down again and there was a third time.
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  Speaker 2: It was when we said no, here there is already something.
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  Speaker 2: And my mom, well, my family always has that belief.
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  Speaker 2: And I imagine that many also. And if not, there
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  Speaker 2: they comment that when this type of thing happens, they
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  Speaker 2: start to throw nonsense. Yes. Oye, que este, tu hijo
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  Speaker 2: de tu no sé qué, bla, bla, bla, vete para allá,
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  Speaker 2: que allá estás. Mi mamá es muy, muy, muy grosera
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  Speaker 2: en ese aspecto. Mi mamá, porque mi mamá no cree
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  Speaker 2: nada de eso.
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  Speaker 1: Sí.
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  Speaker 2: O sea, lo ve, pero ella por aquí pasa algo
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  Speaker 2: y empieza a aventar madres para donde quiera para.
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  Speaker 1: Que se vaya todo eso.
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  Speaker 3: Sí.
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  Speaker 2: Entonces, sí fue algo que la verdad, lo sigo yo
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  Speaker 2: recordando y se me pone otra vez la piel chinita.
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  Speaker 3: Pero sí o no, después de que le mentaron su madre,
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  Speaker 3: dejó de hacer ruido.
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  Speaker 1: Eso, eso sí.
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  Speaker 2: They threw her in his mother and she stopped that noise.
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  Speaker 2: And believe me, I always, when something like that happens
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  Speaker 2: to me, the first thing I think is, well, I
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  Speaker 2: throw her in your mother and she leaves. Although there
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  Speaker 2: are times, right now I say in several stories that
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  Speaker 2: I have to tell you, there are times that I
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  Speaker 2: do not lie because there is a person who, well,
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  Speaker 2: when he is close to me, I want him to stay.
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  Speaker 3: Ok, ok.
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  Speaker 4: Look, definitely that caused me a lot of doubt, but
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  Speaker 4: many of those who are listening to us who are
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  Speaker 4: not from Mexico... Popularly it is said, or it is famous,
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  Speaker 4: that here in my country, if you have to lie
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  Speaker 4: to the mother, to the fright, to the spirit, to
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  Speaker 4: the spectrum, to any paranormal entity. But, as Robin Cox said,
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  Speaker 4: who accompanied us a few chapters ago, there is always
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  Speaker 4: a mantra that works quite well, that one prays to
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  Speaker 4: our father, that one lies to the mother, that is,
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  Speaker 4: there is always something that ends up haunting them.
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  Speaker 3: Now that you said that, I don't know if.
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  Speaker 4: Where you live, someone from your family, because this is
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  Speaker 4: very typical, when they present themselves in this type of situations,
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  Speaker 4: it is because sometimes a member of the family or
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  Speaker 4: before someone lived there, something happened or someone had like
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  Speaker 4: a touch with the issue of witchcraft.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you know anything about this, David.
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  Speaker 2: Look, well, in this house where I currently reside and
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  Speaker 2: that was where that happened, the first thing I remember
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  Speaker 2: is My mother's family is originally from Benemérito Juárez Palogacho,
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  Speaker 2: near the most beautiful place in Oaxaca, for those who
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  Speaker 2: don't know us there.
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  Speaker 1: So they arrived, I think, in the year.
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  Speaker 2: 1980, 1979, around here, to this area of Tucepec, and
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  Speaker 2: that alley back then was a baldío land. O sea,
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  Speaker 2: comentan que una persona vendió todos esos lotes y de
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  Speaker 2: hecho mi abuelo, que en paz descanse, él fue el
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  Speaker 2: primero en comprar un pedazo.
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  Speaker 3: Ok.
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  Speaker 2: Y ellos construyeron la casa, de hecho creo que fue
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  Speaker 2: la primera o la segunda casa de ese callejón, que
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  Speaker 2: en aquel entonces, me comenta mi mamá todavía, que no
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  Speaker 2: había nada. O sea, era maizales, maizales, todo por ahí.
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  Speaker 2: Puro monte. At that time, my mother still told me
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  Speaker 2: that there was nothing. It was maizales, maizales, everything around there.
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  Speaker 1: Pure monte. Yes, pure monte, pure monte.
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  Speaker 2: With the passage of time, a family came to the
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  Speaker 2: side that, if I remember.
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  Speaker 1: Correctly, they did believe in those things.
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  Speaker 2: Because I remember that sometimes my mother, Doña Zutana Mengana,
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember what her name was, that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 4: Es que a veces pasa mucho que cuando las personas
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  Speaker 4: tienen roces con el tema de la brujería, se tienden
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  Speaker 4: a vivir o a presentar situaciones paranormales. Aquí, en esta colonia, digo,
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  Speaker 4: entraste y la viste, porque para los que no lo sepan,
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  Speaker 4: mi colonia está bien macabra.
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  Speaker 3: Le decía a David que cuando envío.
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  Speaker 4: Invitaciones a las personas, y es la primera vez que
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  Speaker 4: vienen aquí a su casa, me dicen que antes de
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  Speaker 4: llegar como que tienen el presentimiento de que They are
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  Speaker 4: in a dangerous place, what's up?
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  Speaker 2: Well, at this point and in these times, we don't
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  Speaker 2: know what's up.
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  Speaker 3: We don't know, right?
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  Speaker 4: So, here in this colony, there have been a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people who have had rashes or who like the
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  Speaker 4: theme of witchcraft very much.
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  Speaker 3: What are you going to the witch for this?
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  Speaker 4: So, whether you want or not, the fact of being
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  Speaker 4: part of this practice opens some kind of portal or
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  Speaker 4: something that makes them start to live manifestations, not only them,
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  Speaker 4: but that they present themselves in the place. Because sometimes
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  Speaker 4: they leave and things keep happening. So, you said something
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  Speaker 4: very important. Before this was the house, it was pure mountain.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if you've heard of what they talk
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  Speaker 4: about the multi-plaza terrains. You see that before it was
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  Speaker 4: pure mango tree.
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  Speaker 1: How old are you?
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  Speaker 3: I'm 26.
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  Speaker 2: Si te tocó todavía el tianguis esa zona?
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  Speaker 3: Ya no,¿ verdad? Eh, no, pero me tocó ver fotos.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, no, o sea, yo, por ejemplo, soy del, del, digo,
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  Speaker 2: del año de, yo nací en el ochenta y cinco,
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  Speaker 2: y recuerdo que cuando, ya tengo noción del tiempo, en
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  Speaker 2: el año noventa, toda esa parte era un mangal.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. That I remember and there was nothing. Nothing.
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  Speaker 4: And I do remember it like that, with a pure tree.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, someday this is going to populate. And
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  Speaker 2: all that part was a tianguis. And there we were
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  Speaker 2: always in the morning, on Sundays in the morning, buying
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  Speaker 2: the tianguis. But little by little it went away. And
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  Speaker 2: there are many stories in that part.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I was working in a department store very well
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  Speaker 4: known in that area.
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  Speaker 3: And this, I don't know, I don't remember if I
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  Speaker 3: already told you before.
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  Speaker 4: So there is a department that is the children's department,
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  Speaker 4: where are the litter boxes and the toys. And in
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  Speaker 4: this store, as it is very prestigious, they have cleaning
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  Speaker 4: staff who, before opening, clean and before closing, they clean again.
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  Speaker 3: So one morning I go walking, I.
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  Speaker 4: Go to my office and I see a lot of
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  Speaker 4: people gathered and they call my attention and they tell me,
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  Speaker 4: come Paco, come.
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  Speaker 3: And I go there.
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  Speaker 4: And they say, look, it was like ten and a half,
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  Speaker 4: as soon as the store was about to open, they
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  Speaker 4: had just cleaned, I mean, they were cleaning. And they
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  Speaker 4: notice that there were some little feet with mud, little ones,
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  Speaker 4: like a child, like two, three years old. And we
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  Speaker 4: followed the sequence, it shows that they were playing between
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  Speaker 4: the beds and they go over a wall and there
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  Speaker 4: they finish the footprints. So, I mean, it makes me
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  Speaker 4: curious because sometimes this type of experience is the same
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  Speaker 4: as the one you had, right? Antes, o sea, era
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  Speaker 4: puro monte donde la gente acostumbraba... Digo, aquí en Tuxtepec
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  Speaker 4: se acostumbra un chingo a que la gente vaya a
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  Speaker 4: esos lugares a botar amarres, a hacer cualquier tipo de,
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  Speaker 4: no sé, de tema de la brujería. Pero esa vez
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  Speaker 4: a mí me impactó porque ese terreno antes era puro
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  Speaker 4: árbol de mango. Y popularmente se dice que los famosos
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  Speaker 4: chaneques o aluches viven como que en estos árboles que
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  Speaker 4: son de mango.
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  Speaker 3: Entonces, ahí es donde nosotros.
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  Speaker 4: And to this day, those little places are still seen.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, to this day. I.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, that experience that, well, that experience that you're
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  Speaker 2: telling me, I knew it.
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean, I believe it.
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  Speaker 2: But, and in fact, I saw some photos because I
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  Speaker 2: think they once went viral on Facebook.
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  Speaker 1: That if I remember correctly, they uploaded something. Yes. And this.
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  Speaker 2: Y sí, porque también tuve varias colaboraciones con esta empresa
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  Speaker 2: donde trabajas. Y me contaban algunos de tus compañeros lo
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  Speaker 2: que había pasado.
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  Speaker 1: Yo dije, wow.
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  Speaker 2: Cuando vi las fotos fue que también dije, ala, esto
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  Speaker 2: está cañón.
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  Speaker 3: Y es que se ve muy clarito.
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  Speaker 1: Sí, sí.
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  Speaker 4: Es que el pie está bien dibujado y está con tierra.
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  Speaker 3: Está sucio. O sea, como que es un pie que
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  Speaker 3: anduvo en la suciedad, en la tierra, en el lodo.
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  Speaker 4: Y de buenas en primeras, como el piso es completamente
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  Speaker 4: de losa blanca, se marca perfectamente. Entonces, digo, yo sí
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  Speaker 4: creo en el tema de los chaneques, definitivamente. Roger también
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  Speaker 4: tuvo experiencias con los chaneques. A él le escondieron un
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  Speaker 4: teléfono por más de un mes. Y entonces estuvo muy fuerte, David.
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  Speaker 3: No sé.
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  Speaker 2: Y fíjate que tengo todavía en el... Bueno, independientemente del
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  Speaker 2: tema departamental, en este lugar, en la plaza, bueno, tengo
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  Speaker 2: un conocido, un amigo, este... who worked as security, I think,
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  Speaker 2: and stayed at night.
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  Speaker 1: And he told me several.
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  Speaker 2: Stories that yes, in fact, the rumor that they say
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  Speaker 2: the girl or the boy of Multiplaza, and he said
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  Speaker 2: that yes, he told me several times that yes, they
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  Speaker 2: moved things, you could hear the laughter, you could hear
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  Speaker 2: that they were walking around all the corridors here. And
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  Speaker 2: that in reality, I mean, yes, I mean, that many, well, okay,
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  Speaker 2: like no, but the new ones who came in to
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  Speaker 2: work in the companies that are in the plaza, well,
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  Speaker 2: it gave them like a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Of fear, right?
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  Speaker 4: And it is that in this company where I was,
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: there was nocturnal staff and only one was left and
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: I talked to him because here I am going to
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: tell you a story that I did not plan to tell,
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: but I just remembered. He does, it seems to me
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: that there are three rondines every night because there are
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: parts on the roof where there is a sensor. Y
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: él lleva un aparatito que es la forma en la
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: que sus jefes saben que está dando los rondines. Porque pasa,
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: le apuntas como si fuera un control y va pasando
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: por varios departamentos. Tres veces en la noche, en la madrugada,
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: tiene que dar su rondín completo por el piso de
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: abajo y el piso de arriba. Entonces, hay una parte
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: en el área de los juguetes que fue la experiencia
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: que me estaba contando que incluso hizo que él renunciara.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: Porque lo primero que le hacen o que le dicen
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: cuando él llega Sabes que si te toca el turno
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: de la noche Específicamente Cuando te pase a tocar porque
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: el pasaba a las 12 A las 3 y a
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: las 5 De la mañana Entonces dice cuando te toque
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: la segunda Que es a las 3 Hazlo rápido, dice
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: llévate un rosario Y el vato pues no Así se
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: lo dicen literal Literal, literal, dice si vienes Vete con
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: la cabeza fría O sea Si te toca ver algo
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: tú en lo tuyo O sea No vayas asustadizo. O sea,
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: y el vato, o sea, los toma locos. O sea,
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: piensan que le están jugando una broma. Se queda la
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: primera noche de la semana. Se queda el turno de
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: la mañana. A la siguiente se queda la noche de
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: la primera vez. Fue el turno de las 12. Pasó,
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: activó sin problemas. Piso de arriba, piso de abajo. A
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: las 3, termina con el piso de abajo. Va al
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: piso de arriba. Ahí es donde está el área de juguetes.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: Hay una parte donde él va caminando. Dice que la
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: tienda está oscura, solamente hay como pequeños por departamento y
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: como una luz. O sea, hay huequitos oscuros. Va caminando
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: y le tiran un juguete de un anaquel. Y el
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: vato voltea y dice, pues no vi nada. O sea, sí,
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: seguí caminando. Sigo caminando y me vuelven a tirar delante
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: de mí otro peluche.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Y eso ya, dice, en ese momento yo empecé a
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: sentir mucho escalofrío.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: Cuando hay otro anaquel adelante... There are these toys that
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: start to move, one starts to move, it starts to
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: sound like they poked the belly or something, these toys
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: start to move and automatically everyone, he says, everyone started
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: to move, everyone, everyone, everyone to his mother, he's doing something.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: Todos empezaron a mover y él dice, yo lo único
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: que hice fue rezarme al Padre Nuestro. Empecé desde lejos,
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: porque le faltaban unos metros para llegar al sensor que
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: él tenía que ir.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Dice, ya no lo alcancé.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: Desde lejos intenté darle, dice, para no seguir avanzando y
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: me tuve que regresar. Le hablé a mi hermano, dice,
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: le conté todo. No sé cómo le hizo para que
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: entrara a la plaza, pero no podía estar donde él
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: estaba porque era tema laboral.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Pero él ya no volvió a ir hasta las 5
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: de la mañana. Y chistoso, güey.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: Los juguetes que se habían quedado en el piso estaban
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: otra vez en el anaquel, güey.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: No, macho. Cuando me contó eso, dije, güey, no mames.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: Y qué vas a hacer? Dice, no, es que yo
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: no puedo con esto, Paco. O sea, no puedo, dice,
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: no puedo. O sea, no estoy dispuesto a vivir esto
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: todos los días porque hay personas que, o sea, los
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: que ya llevan rato ahí, o sea, les valía. Se
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: les caían los juguetes, chica tu madre. O sea, hacían
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: su chamba, güey. Ya estaban muy fríos. But the one
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: who came in and said, I can't do this, and
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: he gave up. Basically, he gave up before the month.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: He was giving up. Hey, I'm speechless and I'm stunned.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Literally, because... I mean, now that this type of thing happens,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: that the toys.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Move you, that you see it and all that, it's awesome.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: And apart from that, because... Creo que digo, para los
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: que nos están viendo fuera del país y todo esto, bueno,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: al menos aquí en México, pues se acostumbra que cuando
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: inauguran una tienda y todo eso, pues va el padre, digo, dependiendo.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: De la creencia religiosa va el padre.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Bendice.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Bendice, se supone que es para todo eso y luego
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: aún así siguen pasando este tipo de cosas.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Sí, es que no, es que ahí es donde yo
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: he llegado a pensar.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Blessing.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Blessing, it is supposed to be for all that, and
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: then even so, this kind of thing continues to happen.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: Yes, it is that there is where I have come
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: to think or come to the conclusion that these entities
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: have different ranks of power, because there is the one
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: who only scares you a little bit, like you see
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: a shadow, and there is already the one who touches you,
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: the one who throws things at you. O sea, que
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: se manifiesta de una forma pues más macabra.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Sí.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: No sé si tú tengas una experiencia más o menos
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: que vaya por ahí.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Pues mira, voy con mi siguiente historia.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Adelante, adelante.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Después de que la primera historia donde conté, donde la
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: casa que vivía de pequeño, que es donde resuelvo actualmente,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: pero hubo un tiempo en mi vida que mis padres
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: se divorciaron y yo me voy a vivir con mi papá.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Y él construyó una casa en el centro de la
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: ciudad de aquí de Tucepet, Oaxaca. Igual, sobre un callejón. But, well,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: let's see if you can locate it. In Juárez, between Ciuchicarranza,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: where many years ago was the newspaper El Tuxtepecano.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Yes, in fact, I lived a few blocks ahead when
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: I just got married.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Ah, well, look.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: So, in that house, my dad still has his house,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: and all that part was Mangales.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: All that part was Mangales.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: In fact, there is still a land there. There is
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: still a land there.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: So, my dad buys.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: a part of those lands because I understand that they
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: were like that of a lady and she gave it
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: to her children and the children sold it, my dad
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: bought a land here and my dad has a alley,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: let's say the land and there is a alley here
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: and another alley here, it has an entrance on both sides.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I was 15 years old when I went to live there.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: And I always told my dad, hey dad, it's just
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: that here I feel like a bad vibe, I feel
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: a bad vibe.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: So you were very sensitive.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, I am very sensitive and my dad is too.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: My mom is the one who is very skeptical, my
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: mom does not believe. My dad, yes, but my dad,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: if I stay quiet about that kind of thing, my
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: dad still more because my dad talks little and things
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Este... Me decía... No hijo... Pues es que yo también...
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Pero pues tranquilo... O sea... No pasa nada...¿ No?
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Ya.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Yo como que... A mí como que no me daba confianza... Bueno.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Entonces.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Con el paso del tiempo... Llego... Viví ahí de los
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: 15 a los.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: 25 creo me parece.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Y en.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: No recuerdo qué edad tenía ya.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Pero sí ya... O sea.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Estaba viviendo yo en esa casa... Que era recién construida... Entonces...
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Está el patio... Ahí sí estaba el patio grande... Aún
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: había mangales... Todavía de los dos lados.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Y.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Eh.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I go to the service room, and in the service
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: room there was a window that led directly to the patio, which.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Was like this ahead.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: So, I had dogs there at that time, and they
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: were barking too much. I don't remember what time it was,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: but it was already night, because it was already dark. So,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I went to look for something at the service patio,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: and the dogs were barking, and they were only directed
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: to the same place. Wow.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: To the same place. And I told him.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: My dogs.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: One was.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: One was. One was called Misty. And the dog. And
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: the dog Scooby.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: And I. Misty.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: What.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: What's up.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: What's up. No.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Flap. Flap. To the same place. I. I had not seen. I. Towards.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Towards the window. I was just screaming. Because I was
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: looking for my clothes. For the next day.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: When.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I swear. That there comes the canyon. That I.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I take a step. And I do it like this.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: To look out the window. You're not going to believe it.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Where I was. Let's say like a type of pot.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: But on the. On the sand. On the earth. There.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: A woman. Of backs.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: And just like I'm going to write it to you.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: I have it in my mind. Because I can't take
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: it away from me. If it was something very canyon.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Because I do it like that first.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I see it. I said there is a canyon.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Let's see if there is no woman here, there is
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: no woman, the only woman and it was a girl,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: it was my sister and.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: She was already asleep.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: And I do it again like this and it was
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: when I stayed and the dog did not move, the dogs,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: that is, back here and barking at the person. But
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: here the interesting thing is that this that I saw
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: did not have feet.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Ok, you saw her whole body.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I saw her whole body, I saw her whole body.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: What cement did she have?
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Mira, era una mujer, pelo negro, pelo largo, y traía
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: un huipil.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Un huipil de aquí de la zona.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Era con huipil.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Era con huipil. Era con huipil, ya lo sabieron.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Pero lo interesante es de que nunca me dio la cara.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: O sea, ella de espaldas y nada más hacia donde
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: estaba este árbol ahí. Porque era una planta grande, no
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: recuerdo qué árbol era.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Y estaba ahí y yo así de....
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Yo en el momento no supe qué hacer. Le hablé
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: a mi papá. Le grité, papá, oye, que mira que
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: no sé qué. Mi papá sale corriendo sobre cámara. En
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: lo que mi papá llegaba hacia donde yo estaba, yo
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: otra vez aquí venía y la veía y ahí estaba
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: y los pelos no se callaban.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: No se iba. Cuando llega mi papá y empieza a
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: prender luces, desaparecí.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: A la madre, cabrón. Me generas varias dudas. No, o sea.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Without a doubt, I believe you, because I know the
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: magnitude of this, but I have so many doubts.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: The typical woman, but the huipil, güey.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Well, now I didn't stay with the doubt. I said,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: here's something. And I asked my dad, hey, dad, who
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: lived here before? No, son, look at this house and
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: this terrain, and I bought it like that. But my dad, well,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: it was the classic gossipy neighbor. So I tell my
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: dad what I saw, because my dad says, what did
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: you see?
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: No, well, this... I saw this, I saw this. Ah, ok.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: It comes out.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: A few days passed when suddenly my dad arrives at
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: work and tells me, hey son, let's see, I already
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: talked to the neighbor who was the one who lived
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: on the main street, on Juárez Street. And I already
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: told the neighbor what you had seen. And well, it's
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: a coincidence that a long time ago, in this piece
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: of land, There was a lady who practiced witchcraft.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: And just as you.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Described it to me, she described it to the neighbor
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: because she knew her.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: And it was like that, I mean, with her whip,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: her long hair.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: And well, precisely in this part where we have the house,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: she came to bury the things she did of witchcraft.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Oh my God.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: O sea, estaba en un lugar.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Bueno, la casa ahí sigue.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Mi papá actualmente vive solo ahí en eso.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Y él no ha tenido experiencias?
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Sí, él me dice que sí.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Pero pues como ya es una persona mayor, o sea,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: ya él así como que, ah, ok, ya como que
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: se acostumbró, no lo sé. O no me las quiere
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: contar como tal. Yo cada vez que le cuento que
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: tengo algo que.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Vi, o sea, él me cree.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: O sea, él siempre me cree. But it's not much
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: to tell me the things that have happened to me.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: The only thing he tells me is, I keep seeing
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: things in the house, I keep feeling things in the house,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: but up to there.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: And has not someone gone to pray, to do anything?
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Yes, when that happened to me, I remember that they.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Gave me holy water. And for everything. To spray. To
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: spray for everything. And he was also a father when
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: the house was just built.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: He was a father, he blessed the whole house, and
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: my mom, well, the classic little sticks from when Holy Week,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: the ones that are sold on Sundays, on Sunday of Ramos,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: which are blessed, so I told my mom, my mom
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: gave me some that are supposed to be on the
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: door so that the spirits do not pass or all that,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: so we put them, but even so.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Después de esto, me siguieron pasando más cosas ahí en
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: la casa.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Es que, bueno, esto ya lo saben las personas que
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: me han escuchado. Cuando yo tuve la experiencia con mi esposa,
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: cuando vimos a la niña, adelante hay una cuartería o
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: departamentos en renta. No sé si ubicas más. Por ahí
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: enfrente hay un señor que tiene dos concesiones de taxi.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Creo que sí.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: Entonces, enfrente de una estética que es de una señora
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: que está ahí, enfrente hay departamentos.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Yo vivía ahí. And in that street, how do.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: We experience paranormal issues? And I don't want to be repetitive,
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: because I've already become opaque. I'm repeating the same story
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: in all the chapters.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: But it's just that the guests don't know.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Exactly, but the guests don't know.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: In broad terms, in a dream paralysis with my wife,
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: we saw a girl, both at the same time, being
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: in that trance. That trance is already written by experts,
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: which is something natural. But I don't think it's, I mean,
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: I do think they have an origin, but I associate
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: it more with a supernatural environment. Because being the two
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: of us in the room, we saw the same thing.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, we saw the same thing, even the sequence. So,
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: in that house a lot of things happened. Here, it
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: was very hot and that house was very cold, very cold, literally.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, I had a split and I didn't even
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: need to turn it on because the apartment was very cold.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: There they went to make a liberation after we saw that.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: And funny because the person who was, I did not
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: tell him what it was. seen because we saw a
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: boy who wanted to kiss my wife in the mouth
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: and when he put his face with hers he began
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: to suck and she began to feel that something is
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: that something was leaving his body I wake up I
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: wake her up, we talk, we saw the same thing,
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: it was something impressive, until now it is one of
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: the strongest that I have lived, but I tell her
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: a person who is in charge of an evangelical church,
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: that I need her to go to my house to
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: make a liberation, a liberation is stronger than one wants
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: to bless, because she realizes that the blessing is to,
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: how can I tell you, like to entrust the house,
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: but the liberation is to take out something that is
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: already there inside, So, I didn't tell them what happened.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: I said, I need you to go and free my house.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: Go and pray. I said, go and pray. I said,
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: let's see what they tell me.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: They start.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: That which I saw, which was the spirit or an
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: entity of a child, lived in my room. But it
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: was so strong, David, that it went from wall to wall.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, it was very shameless because it let itself
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: be seen.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Te levantabas en la noche y veías, a pesar de
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: que estaba oscuro, veías una mancha negra, tan negra que
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: era tan visible.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Y se te pasaba de un lado a otro. O sea,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: era muy descarado, güey.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: Y ya, dijeras tú, te familiarizas o te acostumbras y
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: me da igual.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: O sea, no, ni te pelo. O sea, me vale.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: Pero después de esa experiencia que tuve, que estuvo muy
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: fuerte porque ya intentó hacerle daño a mi esposa. O sea,
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: ya intentó atentar contra la vida de alguno de nosotros dos.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Dije, no. O sea, ya entonces aquí tengo que poner
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: un alto.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Van.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: They pray, but it ends up being a liberation.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: Because you start to feel the environment very heavy. And
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: they go to the room immediately as if they had
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: seen something. And there they focus, focus, focus, repress.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: And it came out.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: And he says to me, Paco, we took something from
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: your room. Something, a small shadow. It went, it passed
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: by here and it came out. We just saw it.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: It went.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, I resemble it a lot with
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: what I saw. Y David, a partir de ese momento,
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: la casa era otra. El ambiente era muy cálido.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: O sea, todo, todo, todo.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: Ya después nos enteramos de una tragedia que había pasado
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: ahí con gente igual. Como te digo, cuando pasan estas cosas,
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: ya son temas de brujería. O sea, son personas que...
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: Y efectivamente, en esa casa empezaron anteriormente como era un departamento.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Las personas anteriormente que vivían ahí practicaban, pues, incluso hasta
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: yo creo que la brujería voodoo. Que pues ya es
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: otro nivel, güey. O sea, ya hablamos de ligas mayores.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: But always when these things happen, as you say, imagine
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: that the Doña de Guipil, for those who do not
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: know Guipil, because there are people who see us from
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: another country, it is a suit or a Mexican regional garment.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: It can be said that each state, no, is it
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: in Oaxaca?
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: It's in Oaxaca.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Majority, several municipalities have like.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: Your representative clothing. Your representative clothing, which is very traditional,
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: it is embroidered by hand, that is.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: It's very beautiful, a very nice culture.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: And here in the Papolapan area, each municipality has its huipil.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I can't tell you right now what huipil it was,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: but I know it was a huipil from here.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: In the region.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: But look, I had time not to tell that story,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: and now that I told it again, I felt the
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: skin chinita.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: And I clearly remember how I didn't see the feet
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: of the lady.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: I didn't see her feet. And I was just on
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: my back and I didn't understand at that moment what
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: I wanted. Because from there on out, I say, right
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: now that you're saying all that, that the problems and
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: all that like in your house, well, I also kind
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: of pass it on to the context of what happened
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: to me. And this house of my father is big
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: and he built it for his children, for us. And currently,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: I say, and they passed, we have had many problems
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: as a family. My dad, right now we are all
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: grown up, and my dad's dream was that we would
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: always live with him. And, well, currently the bedrooms are
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: there for each of his children. And he's there, and
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: each bedroom is as we left it. And he said,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: it could be that we never did something like that
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: to get rid of that person. Besides, my dad, from
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: what he investigated, And that's how it ended. But then
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: something else happened to me too.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Let's see, tell us. I was one of those who, well,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I still am.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, right now that I dedicate myself to working
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: in anthills and all this. I, well, always when I
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: was younger, I used to go out too much.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: So my bedroom....
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Bueno, las ventanas de la casa de mi papá son
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: de esas, yo sé que le llaman tipo californianas, que
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: son ventanales muy grandes.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Sí.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: De hecho, las utilizan también como puertas.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Entonces, yo siempre, pues como es una época muy calurosa
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: y todo, un lugar muy caluroso, dejaba yo los ventanas abiertos.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Y eran creo que las 3, 4 de la mañana.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Creo que sí.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Había salido, pero no había tomado, porque no vayan a decir,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: ese se fue de borracho y dio cosas que no.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: No.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Salí esa noche.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I go back from where I had gone, I don't
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: remember where it was, I lay down, and I hear
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: again that the dogs were barking and barking, but my
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: bedroom was towards the alley where the car entered my dad,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: but my dad was already lying down, so I said,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: who could it be? and the gate of the street
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: was already closed, and I talked to the dogs again,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: they didn't shut up, and if it had been between
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: 3 and 4 in the morning, And I turn off
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: the TV to listen better.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: At that moment, I get out of.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: My bedroom, I go out to the window and I
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: clearly see a man standing there.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: And I said, oh, it's the neighbor.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Because my dad, wait, my dad, behind this house, has
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: a rented room. So it was a person, I didn't
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: see his face.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: But he was a thin man.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: But he brought something here in the sea. I couldn't
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: see what he was bringing. So, again, it was what
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I did, to see again. But at that moment that
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: I see again, well, I got a cold or a cannon.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: And I see it again and it didn't get away
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: from there. It was when I called my dad again
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: and I said, Dad, there's a man outside the alley.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: My dad comes out, turns on the lights. The moment
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: he turns on the lights, he disappears. He says, Dad,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: wait for me. I'm going to see. My dad left
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: the house and everything. There was absolutely nothing. My neighbor
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: was not sleeping. So, well, there was another person who was.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Walking around there.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you agree with me, David, but
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: in that street.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: It's because of the mangas, right? Yes, exactly.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: This is very good because it attracts a lot of
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: this topic.
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: I lived a few meters from there and that's where
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: I experienced all that.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: But without a doubt....
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: The issue is that I think it is more involved
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: in culture, because in our culture here you see a
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: lot of witchcraft. I don't know how it is in
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: the regions of the people who listen to us, but
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: here mainly a lot of people get used to doing this.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: I'm even going to tell you something like that, very rude,
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: that I found on the Internet, because there are even
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: rituals to play with them. Y no con esto me
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: refiero a La Guija, que popularmente es el juego por excelencia, exactamente,
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: y muy conocido.¿ Pero tú sabías que puedes jugar a
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: las escondidas con un muerto?
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Lo sabía por alguna vez que leí algo. Nunca fue
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: como que...¿ Cómo te diré? Tocarlo a fondo, pero sí.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Tú te atreverías a hacer eso, David?
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: No.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Ahí sí, por ejemplo. Creo en eso. Si lo vivo... Ok,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: but already getting into that kind of thing, there yes.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: How good, how good that you say it, because I
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: am of the same idea. This I have already said before,
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: the followers have told me, Paco, why don't you play
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: the Ouija there in the studio? Why don't you do
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: it with Nel? Nel, because it's getting into other terrains.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: No, apart, imagine, then you bring an entity, you bring
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: what you are going to bring.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: No lo sacas.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Ahí se queda. Y lo peor es que tú le
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: abriste la puerta.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Sí, tú le abres la puerta.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: Porque yo leí esto de que había un post por
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: ahí que encontré que decía,¿ Sabías que puedes jugar a
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: las Unidas con un muerto?
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Dice,¿ Cómo? Incluso te da las... Le voy a contar esto,
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: pero no con el afán de que lo hagan.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Ahorita se van a Google y lo Googlean y.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Sí.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: Pero dicen que supuestamente es para las personas que les
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: gustan las emociones fuertes. Supuestamente tienes que tomar un peluche.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Much better if it has limbs, arms, little feet.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: And you have to cut it and take out all
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: the filling. You have to fill it with rice. And
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: before closing it and sewing it, you have to deposit
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: something inside that is yours of your body.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Or hair, or nails, or something representative of you.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Like a voodoo doll?
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: Come on.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: You have to put a name and that for nothing
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: in the world... It must be your name or your names,
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: if you have two names, because I don't know what
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: consequence there may still be much worse. And supposedly when
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: you finished doing all this. So, I mean, it's something
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: that I read that I wanted to share with you
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: in an informative way, not so that you go and
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: do it. Because I am of the idea that if
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: you play with fire, you are going to burn.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: So, well, why look for three feet to the cat?
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: Because there are people who even attract things without saying
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: the boy, without wanting to. I'm going to tell you
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: an anecdote that a follower told me, because for those
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: who don't know, I receive all your experiences through Instagram.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: If you still don't follow me, you can go and
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: send me your experience. You know how we are as
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Extra Normal Podcasts. There was a person who told me, Paco,
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: I want to tell you something that happened to me. Unwillingly,
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: I put an entity in my house. I said, oh
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: my God, let's see how that is. And he tells me,
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: I am a garbage collector from Mexico City.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: And well, we got used to it.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: We go through all the streets, we go to the
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: garbage truck, we throw all the garbage that we are hiding,
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: that we are collecting.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: And in one of those, we got to a house
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: that says that....
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: Es curioso, tenemos nuestra ruta, pero había una casa que
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: no había prestado la atención o no sé qué onda,
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: pero no la había visto. Dice, entonces tenían un botecito afuera,
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: estaba el bote de basura, pero estaba vacío. Entonces, digo,
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: pues ahí lo dejo, pero se me ocurre asomarme al
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: bote y había un collar muy bonito de oro.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Dice, digo, lo vi y dije, acá hay ese oro.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: And he grabbed it, I don't know what test he did,
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: he did it fast and he realized that it was gold,
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: he even saw the cashier, he didn't tell me how
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: much it was.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Well, grab it and put it in the bag, right?
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: He continues.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: He takes it to his house, washes it and says
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: that the necklace is very beautiful, the truth is that
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: it was very cool. But the funny thing is that
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: it was an empty trash can, the necklace was only there.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: The guy hangs.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: It in his mirror and goes to do his activities.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: But he began to experience, David, a lot of paranormal
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: things from that moment. Something very characteristic is that his
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: neighbors told him that there were.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Fetid smells coming from his house.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: He lived in a neighborhood and people told him, hey,
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: what do you have there that smells very bad? The
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: funny thing is that he came in and he didn't
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: smell anything.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: He says, I don't smell anything.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: Y eso fue algo que en primera instancia lo empezó
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: a sacar de onda, pero no le tomó importancia. Dijo,
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: no pasa nada. Pero esto se empieza a poner más fuerte.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: Llega a su casa y tiene una experiencia como la tuya.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: En las noches dice que él no es de las
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: personas que tengan lo que es la parálisis de sueño.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: Hay personas que nunca en su vida lo han tenido
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: y qué bueno que no lo han tenido. Pero habemos
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: quienes sí lo hemos tenido muy recurrentemente. Entonces yo no
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: soy de experimentar eso. But from that moment on, I
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: started to have nightmares every night. I always saw a
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: tall guy next to his window. Tall, tall, that was
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: looking at him all the time. So that was the
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: tip of the iceberg. Because from there a lot of
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: paranormal things come that he began to experience in his house.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: And he comes to the conclusion that it was the necklace. Entonces,
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: él intenta romperlo y no puede. O sea, no se
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: puede romperlo. Intenta deshacerse de él, lo botó en su basura.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: No sé, esto es algo increíble que yo sé que
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: no van a creer. El collar seguía apareciendo en su casa.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: O sea, por más que lo botaba, regresaba.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: Por más que lo botaba, se regresaba. Me dijo Paco,
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: no sé si me creas, esto era algo muy fuerte.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: Yo llegué a llorar. I approached many priests, but they
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: did not help him. He told him how he was.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: They told him that he had apparently opened the door
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: to his house to a... Not to an entity. He
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: is known as Pontestat Principado, Pontestatal. He has a name
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: out there. Which is a range, I don't know how high,
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: of a demon, so to speak. I mean, they are
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: other levels. Y que estaba tan fuerte que... O sea,
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: yo lo asemejo,¿ sabes cómo? No sé si viste Harry Potter.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Como un horocruz. O sea... Algo así.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: O sea, ese collar tenía algo que estaba súper mega poderoso.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: Y que otras personas ya se habían intentado deshacer de él.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: Afortunadamente se logra deshacer de él acudiendo a unos centros
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: de oración. Pero después de eso dice que él seguía...
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: Ya no con el collar. Pero seguía viendo y viviendo
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: todo eso. Y poco a poco se fue... away from
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: his life, all this. I don't know what you think
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: of that, David.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Well, look at that.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, if I had already let it pass or
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: enter for, I don't know, I don't know.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I imagine that obviously it was not intentional. No, obviously not.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: But I say, having done something like that, well, if
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: it's like that, it's too much.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Because right now it's also in fashion.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you're browsing there for some and
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: some e-commerce stores. Have you seen the famous King Solomon's ring?
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: No.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Because it's another one that they're also commercializing a lot.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, to let it go to a.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, supposedly you buy it and it tells you
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: that it will be ready so many days after your purchase.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: Because after that, you see that you have the chat
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: with the seller. After you make the purchase, you already
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: have the chat. And that's where you tell him what
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: you want the ring to give you. Whether it's power, money, fame...
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: So it's a ritual of I don't know how many days...
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: And until it's ready, they send you the order. Something
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: funny is that there's a lot of people who buy it.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, here come the two parts. The people who.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, yes, it's for the people who believe in all this...
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: But also, how many charlatans are not going to come out?
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: I commented on that once... Because I got into the
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: comment section....
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Y dice, oigan,¿ qué pasa si el mío ya perdió
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: el poder?
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: Dice, es que me metí a una iglesia evangélica, dice,
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: le oraron a mi anillo, dejé de ir, dice, y
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: ya no tiene poder. Dice,¿ cómo le hago para otra
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: vez tener el poder?
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Yo dije, no manches,¿ de qué pedo? Pero bueno, sí
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: lo hay, sí lo hay.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: Sí, hombre, entonces me sacó, a mí me sacó de onda, David.¿
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: Alguna otra experiencia que hayas tenido que nos quieras compartir?
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Sí, viene una muy fuerte.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: Adelante, esas me encantan.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: As you mentioned, in this kind of paranormal things, there
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: are people, there are ghosts that can do good and
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: that can do evil. They come here, I've always said
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: for some reason, for some reason. So, there comes an experience,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: it's something that if you see me right now, I
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: shed a tear, it's because it's something very strong for me.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: It happened to a person, well, and she is my
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: second mother, who already died.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: She died in 2013, she was my grandmother.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Okay. So, well, all the time I almost lived with her.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: She died in March 2013 for a disease.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: She was already an adult person, an 80-something-year-old person.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Okay. But a very strong person. So, when she gets sick, I, well,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: at that time... Pues estaba yo... Tenía yo... Veinticuatro, veinticinco
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: años por ahí.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: Ok. Y.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Pues estaba yo trabajando en medios de comunicación al cien
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: por ciento. Me estaba dedicando a todo eso. Entonces, literalmente
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: casi no tenía tiempo. A mí me informan que estaba enferma.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Trato de ayudar en lo que yo podía. Y ahí
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: viene el inicio de esta historia. Que todavía me siguen
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: pasando cosas por parte de ella. Muere... Well, they still
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: interned her, as she was already well, she was already improving.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: In fact, my nephew, who.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Lives in Veracruz, he had already left, he had to
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: return to the funeral, for all this. And a aunt,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: who is also from Córdoba, at the time of, no, well,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: your grandma is going to be fine, I don't know what,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: the operation has already started.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Y la regresan en el tiempo.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: O sea, creo que no tenía ni una o dos
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: horas que se había ido y la regresan porque murió
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: en un instante.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: O sea, así.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: Después de que la dieron de alta.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Sí, pero ahí cuando la dan de alta y todo esto,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: pues ya, ok, va a estar bien. No sé, cuando
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: de repente, que no, que empieza a ponerse mal y
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: mal otra vez.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Y pues ya sabes,¿ no?
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Familiales llegan al seguro, estuvo en el seguro y empieza este...
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: That he wanted to say goodbye to Zutano, to Mengano.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: They were locating me. I don't remember right now, the truth,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: in what event I was. And, well, I was the
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: last to say.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Goodbye to him.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: But here comes the curious thing. I, in the back
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: of my bed, had a rosary. That I bought in.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, here, where is the black Christ.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Ah, ok. Ok.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Se me fue el nombre. Otatitlán. Ajá, no.
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: Ay, se me está yendo el nombre.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: El Santuario.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: El Santuario.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Entonces yo lo compré ahí. Y pues ya pasé a
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: donde está el Cristo Negro, que lo bendijean y todo eso. Entonces,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: pues dije, pues ya se va a morir mi abuelita.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Se lo voy a llevar, pues para que se quede
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: con él. Ya llego.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Me dicen, mi mamá, córrele, porque ya está a punto
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: de morir. Llego yo a su cuarto donde la tenían.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Ya no sé si me pudo reconocer, ya no lo sé.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Pero yo le puse el rosario en las manos y
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: le dije, abuelita, váyase tranquila, que pues aquí vamos a
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: estar bien. And at the moment that I already said
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: goodbye to her, the hug and all that, I get
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: out of the bedroom. I don't think they spent a
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: minute when she died. She was literally waiting for me.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: To say goodbye to her. In fact, my aunt didn't
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: manage to say goodbye to.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: Her.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: But I leave this necklace, this rosary in my hands. I...
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Here comes the first curious thing. That I....
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: I have no memory of the moment when they tell me,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: you just died, to when I wake up and I
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: was already in my house, lying down.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: My mom says that I fainted. I fainted.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know how they picked me up, how I
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: got out of the insurance, to my house. My mom says,
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: obviously you fainted, because obviously they gave you the news,
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: you are the one who has reached her. Este, y
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: pues te recogimos y pues te llevamos,¿ no? Te vieron
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: el doctor, pues no pasó nada, nada más un desmayo
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: que te desmayaste. Bueno, pasa esto, este, cuando llega el
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: cuerpo a la casa, donde la velamos, que por cierto
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: es la casa donde pasó mi primera experiencia.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Ok. Es la misma casa.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Pues la ponen y todo eso, todavía antes de cerrar
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: bien la.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Caja, bueno, el cristalito. Sí, sí.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: They said, someone who wants to say goodbye to her
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: before we're going to be able to open it. And
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: I told them, I was in her bedroom. I said, yes,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: I'm going.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: I'm going.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: I still hug her, I mean, the pure body. And
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: she still had the rosary in her hands.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: There I left it.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: My mom told me, it's the worst thing you could
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: have done. I don't know if you know this belief,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: that when a family member dies, yours, You can't give
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: her something of yours. Because if she doesn't take you.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: And well, she was taking me. She dies in this 2013.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: In March, I sank into a total depression. Because I
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: dreamed of her. In each dream, it was to see her.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: And I said, son, come with me.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Come with me. Because always....
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Before she died, she told me, son, come and live
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: here at my house so that we can always be together,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: this and that.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: I said, yes, grandma, later, later, later. Still a month before.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: She died, the last exit she had was with me,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: that I took her to a mass.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: So I tell you, our closeness was too much. It
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: was a bond that they already had.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: I sink into depression.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: Alcohol, parties, cigarettes.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Entonces, porque yo mi proceso de,¿ cómo se llama?, de duelo,
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: yo lo viví así. Entonces, las cosas se empiezan a
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: agravar porque, pues, yo iba al trabajo ya tomado. Digamos
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: que es algo, la verdad, digo, van a juzgar adelante,
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: pero digo, todos.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Pasamos situaciones,¿ no? Tuve que tocar fondo.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Me internaron porque yo ya no, o sea, yo ya, yo,
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: lo mío era yo que yo quiero irme con mi abuelita.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Yo quiero irme con mi abuelita. Dice mi mamá que
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: me internan. I was in a clinic here in the
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: city of Tucepec, private. And since I had a lot
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: of smoke in my lungs, I was anemic because I
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: didn't eat.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: And so, right?
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: So, my mom says that I, at night, when I
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: had my oxygen and everything, that I was talking, that
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: I was with my grandma.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Wow. Wow.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: They give me a high in the hospital because it
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: is assumed that for the doctors I had already gone
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: through the bad. Well, no, I was still following the
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: same thing. My parents looked for solutions wherever they wanted.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: So for this I find or I have, well, I have,
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: I still have a friendship with the psychologist Iriari Gnosis,
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: if you know her. Iriari Dominguez is no longer here
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: in the city of Tucepet, Oaxaca. He is a specialist
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: in clinical hypnosis. So she knew about my case and
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: told me, I'll take care of you.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Don't worry about the fees.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: I'm going to do it because I want you to
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: get out of there and because I want to see
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: you well. And they told my mom, we're going to
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: put you in a therapy process, but there's going to
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: be a hypnosis. In that hypnosis, the last one is
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: going to be very, very strong. We need you to
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: come because your son, at the time of doing this hypnosis,
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: we're going to disperse in that hypnosis.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: We're going to separate that bond.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: Between his grandmother and him, so that he could already
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: make his life. They went through all the therapies, blah, blah, blah.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: And that hypnosis, the truth was very strong. I remember
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: that they put me in the chair of the classics,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: where they give you your therapies and the fregada. And
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: they started to... They put me to sleep, but they
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: are those... You see many people with hypnosis and they
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: think that they fall asleep and they don't... And they
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: don't remember, right? I mean, no, a hypnosis, well, okay, yes,
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: but they are playing with your mind. So, I say,
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: they put me to sleep and in that dream, the
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: doctor was talking to me. She turned me off, she
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: made me go down a path, through a forest, a park,
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: I don't remember.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Y ahí me encontré con mi abuelita.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: En ese momento que yo me encuentro en el sueño
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: con ella, lloré demasiado. O sea, porque yo la sentí,
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: yo la vi.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Y este....
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Cuando platicamos y todo esto, las preocupaciones que yo tenía,
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: las que tenía ella, lo que me encargó. Entonces, en
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: el momento que me dijo, bueno, pues ya es hora
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: de irme, despídete porque yo ya no voy a estar.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Y fue ahí donde yo.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: the doctor says that at that moment I got out
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: of it she leaves when they return me to reality
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: I didn't know where my mom says that they took
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: me out of the consultancy almost carrying me because I
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: was very weak emotionally it was something very very strong
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: and emotionally it made me physically exhausted you're not going
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: to believe.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: It but from there my life changed.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: O sea, yo sigo recordando a mi abuelita, sé que
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: está presente porque me siguen pasando cosas, pero pues a
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: partir de ahí fue otra vez para arriba,¿ no? Se
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: me quitó en la mente el hecho de quererme ir.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: La sigo soñando, pero ella ya no me dice eso.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Y vuelvo a lo que dije, a esta creencia de
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: que nunca hay que pues darle a los muertos cosas
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: de nosotros porque te van a llevar. Digo, gracias a Dios,
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: pues no me llevó o si su intención era llevarme,
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: por algo me dejó también aquí.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Claro.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: Wow, David.
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: Pues definitivamente fuertísimo y te agradezco que lo hayas compartido.
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: Gracias de verdad porque yo sé que es algo, pues
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: una experiencia muy personal y muy fuerte. Comparto ese vínculo
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: que tú tuviste con tu abuelita porque yo también lo tuve.
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: Mi mamá fue maestra. A ella le tocó que la
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: mandaran a lejos y yo me crié con mi abuelita.
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: Ella falleció en el 2018 y yo tuve muchas experiencias
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: paranormales a raíz de su muerte, pero ahorita te las
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: voy a platicar. Eso que me dices, ya lo había
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: escuchado hace, hace algún tiempo de no, o sea, no,
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: no darle ofrendas a los muertos, pero en base a
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: algo tuyo, porque si tiene algo representativo, o sea, o sea,
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: si nos vamos a un tema, eh, hablando ya sobre
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: lo sobrenatural, eh, Well, they leave, they stop being part
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: of our universe, of the land of the living.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: So to speak.
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: But seeing it in the field, as they told you,
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: it has a lot of logic because they are taking
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: a part of you. And it has a symbolism that
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: will affect your life. I say, fortunately, you got up,
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: you had to play background, you got up, but they did.
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: A very bad job with you because....
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: This was also being told to me by Rubén Cox,
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: who was here with us a few days ago.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: Because he is a psychologist.
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: He talked about both that type of links as well
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: as hypnosis and regressions. So he does tell me that
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: they guide you, that is, they guide you.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: It is someone who guides you to a point.
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: To be able to free yourself from you from that.
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: So it's something impressive. Thank you for sharing it. I
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: really appreciate it from the bottom of my heart. I
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: had an experience. I also told you that other times.
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: Because I dreamed of my grandmother. Something you said is
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: that when a person... is almost gone, is that they
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: start to see and talk to dead people. My grandmother,
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: just before leaving, in her hallucinations, she talked to her
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: brothers who were no longer alive. So in the family
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: we knew that she was going to leave at any moment.
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: She loses her life, David, and I start dreaming about her,
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: but the issue of my grandmother was very strong because
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: she had They attacked her.
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: She said they came to attack her. And they came
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: to torment her. Demons.
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: So it was very strong. Because I lived through that process.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: The times that in the morning. She yelled that she
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: had someone.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: That a being that was jumping in her stomach. That
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: hurt her. A nightmare.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: It was really a nightmare. And when she dies. I
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: still deprive myself. I go through something similar to yours.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: But I dream of her David. pero un ente se
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: burlaba de mí. Yo soy muy temeroso de estas cosas,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: pero a partir de ese momento, el temor y el
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: miedo lo convierto como en odio, porque yo soñaba que
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: la veía la última vez, la soñé ella así completa
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: en su cuerpo, o sea, vestidita con su ropita de siempre,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: y vi como su cara se iba desfigurando, sus dientes
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: se iban haciendo grandes, y como de su cara, tan
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: bonita que era, He started to become a demoniac and
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: he was making fun of me. And I, at that moment,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: confronted him. I confronted him, not with fear, but with
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: a lot of hatred. Because I remember I told him,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: how dare you take the form of a loved one
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: and you make fun of me.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: And I started to confront him.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: And I realized that when I had this type of
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: experience and I was scared, I saw it and I
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: felt it more strong. But when I decided to confront him,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, with all the courage... se empieza a debilitar
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: y se desaparecía. Afortunadamente ya dejé de tener esos sueños,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: pero digo, muchas, muchas, muchas personas pasamos por diferentes procesos,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: unos más fuertes que otros, pero sin duda alguna el
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: tema de lo sobrenatural a muchos nos ha impactado en,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: como decía Luz Montes también, ella me contó que también
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: una persona muy allegada de ella, ella decía que tenía
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: dos números, o sea, dos teléfonos, se tenía agregada en
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: yo y yo, Se muere esta persona, esta persona intenta contactarla.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: Que a las tres y media de la mañana, uno
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: de sus teléfonos decía, llamando yo, y el otro decía, llamando,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: o sea, entrando yo y llamando yo.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: Ella tuvo mucho miedo de contestar.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: Porque ella estaba segura que era ese ser que intentaba
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: decirle algo.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: No se atrevió.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: Le marcó el teléfono de su hija y ahí sí
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: contesta porque era su hija y solo escuchó una respiración.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: a breath, a breath, and his daughter never spoke to him.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, she said, I never marked.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: You, mom.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: So, when we lose a very close being, I mean,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: so many, so many things happen, David.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: Yes. Something you want to tell us to finish the chapter? Well, look,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: to finish, what.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: It has to do with my grandmother's case, after I
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: tell you that I recover and all this, Yo la
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: sigo soñando, te digo, y están mis sueños, pero ya,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: o sea, como si nada. Pero, pues, te comenté que
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: cuando ella andase a morir, su sueño era de que
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: yo viviera con ella en esa casa. Después de que muere,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: te digo, ya después de que me recupero, salgo de
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: todo esto, bla, bla, bla.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Pues dijo, dice mi mamá, pues vente a vivir acá.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: Yo me vengo a vivir a su casa y su
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: recámara de ella, yo la adapto And that's where I'm
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: currently living.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: The interesting thing here, or the paranormal, is that in
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: these years that I've lived there where she lived, I
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: see her.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: I feel her. I see that she's there.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I stay at home because I stay at home.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: There are three floors. On the second floor is my
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: mom with my uncle and her husband. I'm on the
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: floor below. There's the living room, the kitchen, and all that.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: So sometimes I stay alone. Y escucho claramente cómo se
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: cae algún traste de la cocina. O a veces me
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: estoy bañando y nada más veo la sombra.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: Y siempre digo, abuelita.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: O sea, yo a ella, es lo que te decía.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: Que a veces mi mamá es de amantar madres. Yo
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: no le miento a la madre.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Yo le digo, abuelita.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: Es lo que me decías cuando iniciamos.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Abuelita, yo aquí ando. Aquí estoy, no se preocupe. Y ya,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: se calma.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: Y no, te estoy, no sé, o sea, no me, no, no, no,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: no sé ahorita cuántas veces, pero son varias veces. O sea,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: que yo veo la sombra, la siento, este, donde ella
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: tenía su ropa, se mueven las cosas.
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  Speaker 3: Aún conservas tú prendas de ella?
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: Están en el ropero de ella.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Ahí están todavía.
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  Speaker 2: Hay muchas, hay algunas cosas que se quedaron aquí y
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: ahí y que no quiero que las toquen. O sea,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: eso también me dicen que está mal. Because it's like
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: not letting it go.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. So, there it is. So, I tell you.
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  Speaker 2: And here, too, I tell you, the interesting thing is
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: that I have two little nephews. And you see that
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: they always say that children also feel things.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, they see things.
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  Speaker 1: So, what do you say? More or less to contextualize.
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  Speaker 1: There is the bedroom.
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  Speaker 2: One of the bedrooms where I am. And it's towards
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: the bottom. There is the corridor. There are the bathrooms.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: There is the bathroom.
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  Speaker 1: One bathroom. And there is the other to bathe.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Y después de ese, está un cuarto de mercancía, donde
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: están todas las compras y todo eso. Para pasar uno
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: al baño, está el pasillo para allá. Y mi mamá,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: ahí siempre es donde se caen cosas, donde yo he
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: visto las sombras. Y los niños, el niño tiene siete
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: y la niña seis. Y desde cuatro o cinco, los
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: niños van a la casa, siempre están ahí. Pero ellos
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: no se atreven a ir solo a esa parte. O
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: tienen que prender la luz. Porque ellos me dicen, tío,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: es que ahí hay una sombra. Y la han visto. Y,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: o sea, un día el niño salió del baño blanco.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: O sea, blanco de espantado.
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  Speaker 3: Sí.
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  Speaker 2: Entonces, dice mi mamá, pues es que, o sea, ahí está,¿ no?
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Pero yo le dije a mi mamá, es que hay
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: que sacarla. Yo soy de la que, o sea, yo
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: no la quiero que la saque. O sea, porque yo digo,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: está en su casa y ella sigue aquí. Digo, algo
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: nos quiere decir que todavía no lo logro descifrar. No.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: It's that he realizes that, well, that is focused on
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: the subject of energies.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: Because, to put you in.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: Context, there is a series that is based a lot
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: on the subject of voodoo dolls. So, to feed the
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: voodoo doll, for it to have an effect, it has
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: to feed on the energy of the person.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: So, a garment, a comb, a shoe, is something....
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: Muy fuerte en temas de energía Porque perteneció a alguien
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: Y de alguna u otra forma Su energía está ahí
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: Entonces esto lo asemeja mucho Por ejemplo en temas de
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: brujería Para que esto tenga efecto Porque lo toman de
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: ahí Hacen el trabajo y como trae la energía De
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: la persona repercute en su vida De una u otra
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: forma Llevándolo a un contexto Cuando mi abuelita murió Este
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: Le dije a mi mamá porque igual Típico de las bolitas.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: Tienen su closet llenito de ropa, sus zapatitos. Y yo
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: ya no vivía ahí y yo me quería quedar con
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: una prenda de ella. Porque tienen, o sea, lo recuerdo
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: y hasta puedo oler su aroma, su perfume. Entonces, pues,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: cuando yo estaba muy resentido, eso me llenaba. Entonces, llego
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: un día a la casa de mi mamá y le digo, oye, maestro.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: Y la rap, ya no hay nada.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: Cómo?¿ Ya no hay nada? Lo saqué. Digo, pero¿ por qué?
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: Yo me enojé bastante. Digo, pero¿ por qué?
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: Yo quería.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: No, hijo, no.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: Y ella, fíjate, ella no sabe de esos temas. Pero
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: sí me dijo, no, hijo, porque no quiero que eso
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: repercute en tu vida.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: Fue lo único que me dijo.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: Me enojé porque yo quería conservar algo. Pero ya después
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: pasan los años. Y de alguna u otra forma como
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: que encontré la resignación. No sé cómo decirle. But there
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: are people, for example, who have also commented to me
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: on Instagram that they send their experiences. That they also preserve,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: but yes, like you, they continue to experiment with paranormal things.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: And I say yours, in your topic, I say, it's
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: not so strong right now. But there are some that
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: if I told you what they told me, no manches güey.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: Those are already very strong things.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: But without a doubt, they are things that put our
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: skin chinita. They make us think. And the truth, David,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: I thank you a lot for turning around. I'm sure
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: that here the followers loved your participation. For the people
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: who want to know the work that David does, the truth,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: I highly recommend that you follow him.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: He is a very professional person.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: He really dedicates himself to the subject of marketing. He
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: has his official page. For those who like to know
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: his work, how do you find yourself?
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: Like David y Gareda on Facebook fanpage. This is David
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: y Gareda.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: Pues del marketing, tiene su página oficial, para los que
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: gusten conocer su trabajo,¿ cómo te encuentra?
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: Como David Higareda, Facebook fanpage, está David Higareda, y aquí
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: va a estar apareciendo, me imagino.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Sí, aquí lo voy a poner.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: Y en Instagram, arroba David Higareda MX, pues como lo
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: decía Paco, Mercadotecnia, Relaciones Públicas, Fotógrafo, I love driving and
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: in fact I wanted to tell you because I have
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: been separated from the media for a year and being
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: in front of a microphone fascinates me.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: If here I want, I keep hanging on for two
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: or three hours.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: So, the truth is, thank.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: You very much for taking me into account. Through my
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: social networks, I am always in contact with you.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: Thank you, David. Anything you want to add to us?
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that I say for people who have
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: this type of experiences that there are sometimes that as
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: a server I keep them quiet, but I think that
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: sometimes it is always good to tell someone and that
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: they say it, because sometimes it is also bad to
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: give it to them.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: Yes, not to externalize it, not to keep it.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: How good that you told us, because I understand that
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: they are strong issues, personal issues and.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: Y fíjate que muy pocas personas saben estas cosas que
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: te conté y que les conté, digo.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: Para todas las personas,¿ no?
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Porque luego con mis amigos, así como te decía,¿ no?
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: Que nos toman, como nos toman a loco, cosas así. Entonces,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: créanme que, pues, a todos nos pasa. Y esto pasa.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: O sea, no hay que... Muchos lo minimizan.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: Sí.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: Pero de que pasa, pues pasa. Pasa. No me tomen
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: a loco.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, definitivamente no. Yo siempre le he dicho,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: no hay experiencias....
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: Out of context, absurd, because we all experience differently the
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: way we live the issue of the supernatural. Many people
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: experience it in one way, you experience it in one way,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: I experience it in another way.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: And for those who have not experienced it.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: No demoran, estoy seguro, porque no es que les eche
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: la sal, pero pues en algún momento ya les va
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: a tocar.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: Se les va a poner la piel chinita, no van
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: a poder dormir, pero bueno.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: Sí, definitivamente.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: Entonces, chicos, gracias por haber estado con nosotros en este
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: nuevo capítulo de Podcast Extranormal. Si el video te gustó,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: ya sabes, por favor, me apoyas mucho dejándome tu like
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: para que el algoritmo de YouTube nos trate chingón como
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: nos ha estado tratando. Ha estado recomendando los videos a
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: muchas personas nuevas. Y si tienes alguna experiencia, te voy
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: a pedir que nos las compartas por Instagram. También lo
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: puedes dejar aquí en la caja de comentarios. Ahí voy
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: a estar leyéndote. Mi nombre es Paco Arias y me
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: dio mucho gusto estar de nuevo aquí con todos ustedes.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: Les mando un fuerte abrazo. Gracias, David, por darte la vuelta.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: Y nos vemos más adelante en un próximo video. Pásenla
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: bien y que tengan excelente noche.