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IFH 810: The No-Excuses Filmmaking Philosophy of Len Kabasinski · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 5: Hi, thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's that's so awesome. Yeah, and again, thank
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  Speaker 4: you for doing this. I know you're probably got like
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  Speaker 4: a million things to do today, and.
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  Speaker 5: You know what, the hard part and all that stuff
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  Speaker 5: is over for me. I just sit back and relax now.
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  Speaker 5: So I just I just show up at the venue
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  Speaker 5: at you know, before the doors open, I look at
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  Speaker 5: the movie on screen and make sure it looks pretty
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  Speaker 5: or sounds pretty and that's about all I do today,
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  Speaker 5: So I sit back and relax, and it's it's more
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  Speaker 5: about the cast and crew anyways, that than me. My
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  Speaker 5: job for everything is has been done for a little while.
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  Speaker 5: So I just hope they come out and have fun
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  Speaker 5: and then it premieres for the public in a couple
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  Speaker 5: of weeks.
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  Speaker 4: Here and that's really cool, Len, and I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: make sure to link to everything in the show notes
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  Speaker 4: that we talk about too. And by the way, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Len and I are probably about an hour away from
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  Speaker 4: each other because you're in Western PA. I'm here in Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 4: So usually when I interview everyone, lend they're either in
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  Speaker 4: New York or LA. That's like so usually, yeah, their
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  Speaker 4: weather is amazing, and it's like, you know, a humid
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  Speaker 4: or it's a rainy day out here in Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I'm a biker guy. I've been a
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  Speaker 5: motorcycle guy for most of my life, so you know,
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  Speaker 5: when it's ninety degrees humid and hot, or Vegas and
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  Speaker 5: it's one hundred and fifteen and people are bitching and moan,
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  Speaker 5: and that's the weather I like. I like it the
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  Speaker 5: kind of hot that people complain about. So the hotter
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  Speaker 5: the better.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, right, because you know if you go out when
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  Speaker 4: it's when it's too wet out or something you would
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  Speaker 4: like wipe out.
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  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, it's not fun. Ray rain hurts when you're
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  Speaker 5: riding a motorcycle, trust me, it's it's it's not a
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  Speaker 5: fun time.
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  Speaker 4: So so you know, and you and I too have
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  Speaker 4: a lot of things in common, more shorts and filmmaking,
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  Speaker 4: and I wanted to get ask you about your your
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  Speaker 4: filmmaking career first, you know, because you've done a lot
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  Speaker 4: of really cool stuff and I wanted to ask you know,
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  Speaker 4: you've been working since about I think two thousand and
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  Speaker 4: five when you created your first movie, Swamp Zombies. So
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to ask Glenn, you know, at what point
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  Speaker 4: did you get bit by the filmmaking bug where you
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  Speaker 4: said to yourself, Hey, I want to go out there
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  Speaker 4: and I want to make my own film.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's it's something I wanted to do
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  Speaker 5: ever since I was little little, you know, when I
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  Speaker 5: was you know whatever, six years old or whatever, I
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  Speaker 5: started to want to do things or creatively imagination type
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  Speaker 5: things were started to run is My mom would stay
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  Speaker 5: up and watch science fiction and horror movies with me.
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  Speaker 5: There was like a late Great Horror show it was
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  Speaker 5: called on Saturday nights at midnight. It wasn't a school night,
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  Speaker 5: so my mom would let me stay up and she'd
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  Speaker 5: watched like Man with Two Brains or any number, Godzilla
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  Speaker 5: versus the Smog Monster or so something like that, so,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and staying up and watching these and they
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  Speaker 5: were all PG rated stuff. So but still it kind
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  Speaker 5: of planted the seed in my brain that hey, look
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  Speaker 5: at all this creative stuff that's in front of me,
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  Speaker 5: and they get to do monsters and dinosaurs and scientific
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  Speaker 5: experiment dudes with two brains and those kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 5: So I thought, oh, this is so cool. So but
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  Speaker 5: going along, and you know that that spurned my love
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  Speaker 5: really for B movies and stuff like that, and that
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  Speaker 5: got me on track that you know, I still love
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  Speaker 5: that kind of stuff to this day. I still watch
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  Speaker 5: that stuff to this day. You know, my days, if
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  Speaker 5: it's not watching sports or obviously working, which is it
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  Speaker 5: seems like I work five jobs at times. Other than that,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I'm watching B movies on Amazon Prime or
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  Speaker 5: seeing what the latest Trauma flick on Prime is or
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  Speaker 5: the latest God Free ho movie on Prime is or whatever.
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  Speaker 5: So I watch a lot of Amazon Prime stuff. But yeah,
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  Speaker 5: my mom's staying up with me watching those films that
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  Speaker 5: got the ball rolling. But as I went into high
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  Speaker 5: school and college, and you know, back then it's you know,
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  Speaker 5: the early nineties and stuff, there is no digital video
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  Speaker 5: or mini DV even at that point or anything like that.
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  Speaker 5: It's like, if if you wanted to shoot your film
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  Speaker 5: or do a film that was you had to film
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  Speaker 5: on thirty five millimeter. Now, yeah, sixteen and stuff was around,
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  Speaker 5: but I mean nobody really got out there shooting on
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  Speaker 5: that stuff. I mean, you had to do thirty five millimeter.
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  Speaker 5: I'm really to be taken seriously even so, I mean
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  Speaker 5: even in movies to this day that like you see
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  Speaker 5: Rifftracks makes popular movies like Future Force or something like
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  Speaker 5: that with David Carroding. You know, that's nineteen ninety that's
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  Speaker 5: still shot on film. I mean it might look like
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  Speaker 5: a movie with a twenty thousand dollars budget, but I
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  Speaker 5: mean that's thirty five millimeter film. They had six figures
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  Speaker 5: right there just shooting on films. So you know, I
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  Speaker 5: didn't have obviously the knowledge or anything like that to
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  Speaker 5: you know, I didn't go to UCLA Film School and
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  Speaker 5: those kinds of things. I just kind of always wanted
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  Speaker 5: to do it, but didn't have the real knowledge, you know,
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  Speaker 5: and still might not to do, you know, those kinds
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  Speaker 5: of things. But as I went along, Mini DV came about.
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  Speaker 5: I started just kind of hanging out at like horror
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  Speaker 5: movie conventions and science fiction conventions and stuff like that
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  Speaker 5: where I had ran into again, this is a really
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  Speaker 5: really condensed quick version. I years later ran into Bob
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  Speaker 5: Zadar and Chris Watson, who directs and writes and does casting.
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  Speaker 5: He does a lot of stuff. He's an author. He
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  Speaker 5: has a few books out there. Chris Watson did a
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  Speaker 5: movie called Zombie GETD and he was working on again
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  Speaker 5: a very low budget movie. Populated it all. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: in my opinion, he really started the boom, if you will,
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  Speaker 5: of the one day on set things for you know,
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  Speaker 5: name actors and actresses in micro indie movies. He would
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  Speaker 5: get Tom Savini for a day, or he'd get Bob
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  Speaker 5: Zadar for a day or two, and he'd get all
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  Speaker 5: these zombie gining is packed with b name you know
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  Speaker 5: actors in it. And that's what he would do is
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  Speaker 5: go around to these conventions. You know, pay him a
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  Speaker 5: few underducks or whatever it was, and you know, get
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  Speaker 5: him on set for the day and bam there in
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  Speaker 5: his movie Zombie Geining. So I kind of learned some
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  Speaker 5: things from him. And and right then the mini DV
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  Speaker 5: thing was the ball was was getting rolling pretty good.
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  Speaker 5: And that this is around two thousand and three, two
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  Speaker 5: thousand and four, so so that's pretty much how it
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  Speaker 5: all got started. There.
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  Speaker 4: You mentioned film school then, and that's something that we
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  Speaker 4: talk a lot about on the show because some people
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  Speaker 4: have gone to film school. I didn't. I didn't go
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  Speaker 4: to film school either. You know, I find that it's
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  Speaker 4: kind of there. You know, there's a million, million and
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  Speaker 4: one different ways to enter this business right there. You
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  Speaker 4: can do a ton of different ways to get in.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, I think the people that are quote
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  Speaker 4: unquote normal are the people that are that you know,
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  Speaker 4: maybe sit on the couch or they're driving or and
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  Speaker 4: they're always saying themselves, oh man, I wish I could
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  Speaker 4: go out and make my movie. I wish I want
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  Speaker 4: to make a movie. That's why, you know, with guests
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  Speaker 4: like yourself and the other guests that have on, it's
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  Speaker 4: that really normal because you're actually out there doing it,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, You're actually out there, and
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  Speaker 4: you know, I mean, as we're going to get into
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  Speaker 4: it's so damn hard to make a movie because you
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  Speaker 4: have to wear five different hats at least, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you're always juggling ten different things, you know, and it's
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  Speaker 4: like the fact that a movie even comes together is
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  Speaker 4: a small miracle in of itself.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, I've been there twelve times now
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  Speaker 5: or something like that, so it's not that it can't
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  Speaker 5: be done. But yeah, the amount of work and effort,
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  Speaker 5: I tell you, along the way since two thousand and four,
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  Speaker 5: it's I've probably met I don't know, hundreds of film
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  Speaker 5: makers put it that way, but I've met thousands of
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  Speaker 5: want to be filmmakers or wish they would make films
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to see. They want to be as interrogatory,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, want to be want to do
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  Speaker 5: stuff that kind of. I've met thousands and thousands of them,
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  Speaker 5: but most of them quit along the way somehow when
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  Speaker 5: they find out how really difficult it is. You know,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not interested in just being called a filmmaker. I
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  Speaker 5: am one. This is what I do you know what
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  Speaker 5: I mean, don't I don't have projects and then just
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  Speaker 5: not make them. I mean in my brain and the
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  Speaker 5: way I am, I mean, I have to do this stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Or you know, it's like sharks, they swim ford all
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  Speaker 5: the time and if not, they die. So that's kind
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  Speaker 5: of how I am. I feel creatively. I always have
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  Speaker 5: to keep being creative or keep working towards things, and
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  Speaker 5: that's just kind of how life has lived for me.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, and I completely understand what you mean. I
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  Speaker 4: mean it is and when you finally go sit down
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  Speaker 4: and start to write a script or you know, you
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  Speaker 4: go over and you're wearing your producer hat and you
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  Speaker 4: think yourself, all right, but we gotta make sure our
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  Speaker 4: schedules are going to coordinate for these shooting days.
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  Speaker 3: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
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  Speaker 4: And then you gotta wear another half for marketing, you know,
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  Speaker 4: from a marketing standpoint. She made the thing and you're like,
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  Speaker 4: oh crap, now I got to get it out there
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  Speaker 4: and how are people going to be able to see it?
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  Speaker 4: So so so, then when when you were making Swamp Zombies,
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  Speaker 4: which which was which was your first film, you know,
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  Speaker 4: at what point did you sit down, you know, and
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  Speaker 4: start writing the script and then say to yourself, Oh, man,
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  Speaker 4: you know what, I'm gonna make this. I'm gonna I'm
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  Speaker 4: gonna direct this. This is gonna be my first feature,
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  Speaker 4: you know what. You know, was there anything, was there
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  Speaker 4: an impetus that happened where you finally said, you know what,
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  Speaker 4: this is the year I'm going to do it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. You know it was after I had met Chris
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  Speaker 5: Watson when I when I when I had been on
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  Speaker 5: set of Zombie Getting and I still talked to Chris
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  Speaker 5: Watson to this day. I talked to him a week ago.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I knew that his plan and what he
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  Speaker 5: was doing, and he was talking to people from either
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  Speaker 5: Troma or whatever. There's thousands of you know, distributors out
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  Speaker 5: there that want to sign your movie. So yeah, I
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  Speaker 5: knew right after Zombie Get In. I knew that what
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  Speaker 5: kind of camera he used? What could I do? And
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  Speaker 5: I thought, wow, you know, being on set of this film,
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  Speaker 5: I could do this finally. You know, this camera costs
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  Speaker 5: you know, a couple thousand bucks or whatever. You know,
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  Speaker 5: I'm in college at the time, I'm in medical school
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  Speaker 5: at the time, and I said, you know what, that's it.
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  Speaker 5: I'll use a charge card, which is what ninety nine
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  Speaker 5: percent of micro INDI people do a lot of times,
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  Speaker 5: and you know they put all their initial equipment in
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  Speaker 5: those kinds of things on it. And to this day,
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  Speaker 5: even though I do not use it, I still own
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  Speaker 5: the camera that shot Swamp Zombies, which is a canon
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  Speaker 5: GL two but by, and it's still a nice camera.
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  Speaker 5: It's just not a twenty four P It's in beautiful
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  Speaker 5: thirty frames per second and just like Uncle Ted's video
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  Speaker 5: camera twenty years ago. So you know that's what we did.
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  Speaker 5: But I knew that, yeah, one's on Zombie get in.
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  Speaker 5: I came back and I sat there and thought, man,
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  Speaker 5: you know I could do this. But the script I
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  Speaker 5: wrote for Swam Zombies, and I love writing scripts, but
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  Speaker 5: the script I wrote back then, I mean, again, I
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  Speaker 5: still don't have any real experience. It was a pretty
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  Speaker 5: ambitious script that I needed to have my head examined
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  Speaker 5: trying to produce a movie like that is my first film.
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  Speaker 5: But in terms of getting it out there and stuff,
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  Speaker 5: I did have a plan though. I mean even when
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  Speaker 5: I didn't know what I was doing, I did have
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  Speaker 5: a plan. I knew I wanted to get eyeballs on
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  Speaker 5: the movie, and I knew I wanted to pick genres
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  Speaker 5: if you will, or entertainment outlets if you will, like WWE,
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  Speaker 5: or the adult film industry or UFC, which was not
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  Speaker 5: in two thousand and four, this big thing that it
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  Speaker 5: is today. UFC was just kind of still kind of
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  Speaker 5: getting rolling kind of thing. So that's where Dan Severn
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  Speaker 5: came in, That's where Blue Mini came in, That's where
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  Speaker 5: Jasmine Saint Clair came in. I mean, I strategically obviously
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  Speaker 5: went and wanted to use these people because of their
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  Speaker 5: names and kind of a following that you know, hopefully
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  Speaker 5: would come along. So so yeah, there was plans like that.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I didn't go in just completely well, I'm
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  Speaker 5: just going to film this and whatever happens happens. You know.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't go in like that. I kind of thought,
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  Speaker 5: you know, this is my plan. I'm going to get
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  Speaker 5: it signed with the distributor. They're going to use and
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  Speaker 5: market my my star people here, and we'll see what
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  Speaker 5: happens from there. So that's how that came about.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I actually have seen Swamp Zombies and
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  Speaker 4: I actually watched it on Amazon Prime.
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  Speaker 5: And so you've seen the condensed version of it, You've
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  Speaker 5: seen the the ninety minute version of it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 5: I a good deal.
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  Speaker 4: I actually went on a len Kabazinski sort of run.
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  Speaker 4: I actually saw that face of the vampire cursal wolf
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  Speaker 4: skull Forest. I think, no, no, I don't think skull Forest
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  Speaker 4: is on there yet. When I watched it, maybe it was. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I don't. I think that's what
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  Speaker 4: I was. I was on your Facebook, you know it
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  Speaker 4: was it was Bridal Party massacre. That's actually oh yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah. So when I watched Swamp Zombies, by the way,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, Dan Severn look exactly like you think
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  Speaker 4: a police chief would look. He he looks, he has
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  Speaker 4: that look to him where he looks like a detective
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  Speaker 4: or you know what I mean, like like him and
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  Speaker 4: Don Fry could.
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  Speaker 5: Be like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They trained together
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  Speaker 5: back in the day too. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean they look like those hard, grizzled tough guys.
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  Speaker 4: And they both are legit tough guys too, which is
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  Speaker 4: even you know. I mean, Dan Sever, I'm a huge
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  Speaker 4: UFC fan, Like I was saying, you know, we have yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: like you know, we have two things in common, martial
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  Speaker 4: arts and movies. And uh, you know, I remember I
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  Speaker 4: remember the early days of the UFC, and it was
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  Speaker 4: like they had to have it in like Casper, Wyoming,
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  Speaker 4: and it was just like there was three rules, you
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  Speaker 4: know what I mean, and.
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  Speaker 5: It's just remember yep. But Dan was my favorite even
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  Speaker 5: back then. But when I approached him for Swamp Zombies,
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  Speaker 5: uh yeah, it was super nice man. Actually in Swamp Zombies,
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  Speaker 5: he came to Eerie for for the day because I
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  Speaker 5: had this swamp cabin type location that you see in
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  Speaker 5: the movie where I'm doing a cotta or something to
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  Speaker 5: introduce my character. We have that location and a couple
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  Speaker 5: cast members their dad or something owned it. So I
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  Speaker 5: was like, man, this is a super awesome location. So
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  Speaker 5: I was really fortunate to have stuff like that in
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  Speaker 5: the movie. Dan seven came out to that location to
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  Speaker 5: film some scenes and then I thought, man, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I just don't have him fighting enough at this point.
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: So I contacted him and said, Dan, you know what,
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: he's in Michigan. But he had all kinds of woods
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: and stuff around his property, and I said, you know what,
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: what if I come to you, you don't have to
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: do anything, just eat breakfast and come outside and fight
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: so hot viser in it. So I'll come to you Dan,
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: because Michigan is only like four and a half hours
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: away drive for me. So I just we went up
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: there for the day and what a hospitable, just nice guy.
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, he was super nice and we always wanted
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: to work together again. But scheduling wise, you know, once
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: my film schedules are set, I can't really change him
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: because I do vacation from work and leave and those
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: kinds of things, and once I take my dates, my
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: dates are my dates kind of thing, and it just
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: never could work out. And he's a super busy guy.
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, even to this day, he does tons and
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: tons of stuff, whether it's law enforcement or UFC promotional
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: things or wrestling. He's still that promotes those kinds of
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: things too. And yeah, nice man. I hope to work
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: with him again in a Yeah he was awesome.
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I've seen all the things that he's done
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: over the years. I know he went back into MMA
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: I think last year. I mean he's got like a
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: what is it like, you think he's like one hundred
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: and five or one hundred and ten and like nineteen losses,
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: like unbelievable career. I mean, most guys in MMA, they
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: last for maybe you know what, eight ten fights. You know,
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: a lot of the guys and the upper echelon guys
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: keep going. But I mean, you know, I mean, he
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: has over one hundred fights, for God's sakes.
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: I mean yeah with him too. Though he's got a
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: style too. Though if you look at him, I mean,
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: look at the dude. He just has not taken tons
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: of damage throughout his career. He's got a style that
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: lends him to, you know, not get beat up a
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: lot in fights. So I think that's one of the
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: reasons he's lasted as long as as long as he did.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: Oh, I agree completely, Len. He was definitely one of
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: the forefathers of you know, he has more of a
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: rest sling background. He uses that in the Gauntlet. I'm sorry,
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: the Octagon. I'm jumping ahead. I'm thinking of your movie
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: challenge with the five, That's what I'm thinking of. And
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: so yeah, you know, I agree completely, And and you know,
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: he's just used his style so well. And when you know,
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: and you also look at somebody like Don Fry kind
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: of similar style. Don Fry might shrick a little more.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: I'm sure that all the people listening to this for
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: film by the way, probably like Virelin and Dave talking
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: about you.
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: Say about the MMA, right, yeah, yeah.
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: So you know, but but yeah, helped two awesome guys.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: And I actually was fortunough to meet Don Fry before,
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: but not Dan, and I'm glad to hear that he's
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: he's an awesome guy. Yeah, because he seems pretty intimidating
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: by the way, like.
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: You know, oh yeah after the one h after we
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: shot Swan Zombies and in Meadville, Pennsylvania there we all
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: went out to Pizza Hut afterwards, and he was like
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: as nice as like a librarian type person. He's eating
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: his pizza with a knife and fork and he's yes, sir, yes,
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: ma'am to the waitresses, and I mean it's everybody is
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: super good. So you can tell he's like I believe
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: he's from Missouri and he's got that kind of hospitality
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: thing going on for him, so he's extremely nice to everybody.
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: And with that too, he's got the wrestling base, but
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: he acts like a true martial artist though he has
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: that respect and that that nature about him that you
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: can tell those kinds of disciplines kind of molded his
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: character probably personally as well. So very nice guy and.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: That's awesome to hear. You know a lot of those
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: wrestlers from the Midwest, you know, amazing, amazing stuff they
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: do out there. And so just getting back to to
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: swam Zombies learn. So when you finally, you know, you
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: were putting this together and you mentioned, you know, you
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: had a few you know, pieces of the cast and
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: crew you know, helped you get maybe a litcation here,
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: location there, or maybe a resource here and there. You know,
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: was there ever a point in time where you had
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: like a huge problem, like a production problem. My question was, yeah,
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: I'm glad I brought it up because I love to
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: hear stories like this about how filmmakers overcame this. You know,
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: you have a sort of like a resource problem, and
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: you know, so what was your biggest problem and how
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: did you overcome it?
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: Oh? God, biggest problem? I don't know. I can think
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: of one off at the top of my head. I
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: don't know if it was the biggest problem, because we
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: still would have got around it. But we had a
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: local actress, well, nobody's actors and actresses. We're all just starting.
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: But we'll just say actress who wanted the role. She
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: was the friend of Pamela such as character in the movie.
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: They're going on the beach and stuff like that and
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: sunbathing and just girls hanging out on the beach kind
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: of thing. Well, the one character did not show up.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: And I had just talked to them the night before
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: and actually met with him and said, Okay, this is
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: what we're doing. We're going to show up at this
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: beach at X amount of time. I'll have you done
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: with them, probably four or five hours, and that'll be that,
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: you know. And they're like, oh great, this is awesome.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: I'm so excited to do this. Blah blah blah blah blah.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: So pam such is on set. We're all down there
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: waiting and this person just doesn't show up, doesn't call me,
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: doesn't do anything. And I thought, oh man, now.
• 19:58
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• 20:06
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• 20:09
  Speaker 5: So and and back then my brain wasn't running where
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: it didn't. I'll get into a hellcout's example in a
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: little bit here. But now, if something like this were
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: to happen and somebody would know show. I'm pretty confident
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: in my abilities. I could I could script right on
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: the fly and fix it whatever the situation is. I'm
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: pretty I have that confidence now that I'll fix any
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: problem that arises like this. But yeah, the actress no
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: showed and I was stuck without a character there, and
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: I thought, oh god, I'm panicking and stuff. And then
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: one of the extras comes up to me and says, hey,
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: I know this local girl that works as a stripper
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: here and she might, you know, come out and do this.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: And I said, okay, offer one hundred bucks to get
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: down here, like right now, you know, for the day,
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: and he's like, okay, like and sure enough he did.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: And an hour later came this red haired, tall, good
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: looking young girl that comes out and girl woman probably
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: in her early twenties there that comes out to set,
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: and sure enough we made the scene happen and it
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: got done. And yeah, she's the character that's Pamela such
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: as friend. They go on the beach and she gets
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: killed by zombies. So yeah, that was that was a
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: major problem where somebody just didn't show up who we
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: pretty much fully expected to show up. So yeah, we
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: had to pull that one out and luckily we did so.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: But yeah, it's funny you're watch it on Amazon Prime.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: I had done the re edit on that movie, and
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: I chopped about a half hour from it and put
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: it on Prime. And actually the movie has been out
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: of print for several several months now, I probably close
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: to I don't know, almost going on a year anyways,
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: because I got the rights back to that film. It
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: is not available on DVD. It's out of print now,
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: so you're gonna pay potentially big bucks to try to
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: find it right this second. But it's coming. It's coming
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: back to DVD in like a month. I'm just sending
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: it out to get authored now the DVD, so and
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: then it'll be out and selling again on DVD with
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: a couple of new commentary tracks, so it'll be a
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: brand new package, new artwork, all that kind of stuff.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: So it should be just about a month or maybe
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: even a little less and Swam Zombies will be back
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: on DVD.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: Oh that's really cool. I mean, you know, and by
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: the way, I mentioned that about production problems and how
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: you overcame them, you know, when you were talking about
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: somebody not showing up. That happened to me too. Lenn
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: I completely understand where you're coming from. Because when I
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: started doing movies too, that was one of the biggest
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: problems was people who would say, oh my god, you
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: know it's it's I've always wanted to do this, I'm
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: going to show up and the day of they know, show.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: Now court Yeah, yeah, and you know, but that's a
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: it's a good lesson learned and going forward in the
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: future when I when I'm doing extras, and a lot
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: of times I didn't have to coordinate extras going forward.
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: Sometimes I did, but but dan is I got associate
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: producers come on board and things I would have like
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: my associate producer for for quite a few films. Now
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: Ruth Sprague does a lot of coordinating, uh with extras
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: and things like that. But the main thing I do
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: is if you aren't one million percent sure you're coming,
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: just please you know, I'm marking you down as a
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: as a no. You know what I mean, I don't
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: maybees are nos to me now in filmmaking, and it's
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: like I try to only do the shore things and
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: if they show up, great. If it's a maybe and
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: they show up, great, If not, I didn't count on
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: them anyways, kind of thing. And that's kind of how
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: I treat that.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I concur if they're not into it a million
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: percent and if they even say, well, you know, hey, Len,
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: I'll try to show up, you know, I'll try to
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: be there. I was like that that that's that subtext meeting. No,
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: that's a part right.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: Right, right right. I don't try anything. I just do
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: it so a little faster pussycat reference there.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's there is no uh do it or not?
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: There is no try yoda yeah from the oda. And
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: but so you know, as you actually got you know,
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: some zombies, you got it done. You know, you're you're
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: able to to sort of market it. So when you started,
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: you know, going into your other projects like Curse of
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: the Wolf and Fist of the Vampire. You know what,
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: what are some of those things that you that that
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: you started to do you know, maybe more of or
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: less of meaning. Did you start hiring more crew members
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: to like help you out? Did you maybe say, you
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: know what I'm gonna I'm gonna get a person just
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: for marketing, and maybe I'm going to find some producers
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: that I can actually work with, you know that I
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: can keep using for project to project project because that's
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: something I found out is too is like, you know,
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Kevin Smith has Scott Mesure, Quentin Tarantino has Lawrence Bender.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: There was always at that that tandem. So were you
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: were you able to start, you know, finding more and
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: more people that you wanted to work with.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know the way I tried to do it.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: After Swampszombies, I went into Curse of the Wolf, and
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: the first thing I knew I had to improve right
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: off the bat is I looked at other films and
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: looked at my peers and things like that. And as
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: I said, MiniDV was still fairly new at that point,
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: but so it was twenty four P cameras for consumers,
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: and I knew once I saw twenty four P and
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: one of my other peers projects were looking like, I
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: knew right then and there, I need to go twenty
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: four P. And I need to just try to get
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: a hold of a good camera for Curse. So I
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: had bought a Panasonic one hundred DVX one hundred a
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: off of a guy that was filming biker documentaries for
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: the Discovery Channel and he was local making motorcycle engines
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: or something. He said, hey, I got this camera. I'll
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: sell it to you five hundred bucks, and that's the
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: best five hundred bucks I ever spent because it went
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: on to shoot, you know, three or four more movies
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: for me on the DVX, and it was just a
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: workhorse for me. So I knew I had to improve that,
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: and I think we pretty much did that. And I
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: think there's a big jump between Swamp Zombies and Curse
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: of the Wolf. I can see a big divide between
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: those two films in terms of look at least. But yeah,
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: it's a shit, you know, dude, it's you try to
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: I want that when I do my pictures. I want
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: to have a cast that I can run with for
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: a while. And I thought it would happen back on
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: Curse of the Wolf. We had changed editors because the
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: editors of Curse of the Wolf were actually on set
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: doing effects, so they really lived with Curse of the
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: Wolf like I did. And he was not begging, but
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: really strongly lobbying, len, let me edit this movie. Let
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: me edit Curse. Let me edit Curse. And I was
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: going to use the same editor as Swamp Zombies, but
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: he kind of convinced me and Lisa, who was the
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: producer of that film to use him, and going forward,
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: he ended up editing Fist of the Vampire as well,
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: And at that point, I'm like, Okay, let's do like
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: a three picture tight handshake deal here, you know what
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: I mean. In the micro world, you don't pay somebody
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: ten grand to edit three pictures. That just doesn't happen.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: You shake hands and say, hey, I want to use
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: you in the next three movies. Let's do it. So
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: that's what we thought would happen. But he edited two
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: pictures and then I kind of just let him go
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: from there. Just the amount of work and stuff and
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: being a perfectionist and myself, it's just like, I'm not
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: happy a lot. I tend to really try to just
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: push and push people and get the best out of things.
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: And you know, that's kind of a personality quirk of
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: mind that doesn't always work out all the time any anyways.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: You know, It's it's kind of like a leader of
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: a band that goes through a lot of musicians. You know,
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: they either think he's a dick, or they push him
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: to work too hard for too little money, and all
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: those kinds of things. But I understand all that stuff.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: I mean, I know my limitations when it comes to that,
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: but yeah, you know, it works out where you end
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: up using the same people for two or three movies
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: or so, but then they move on or you know,
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: something happens where you know, they go onto their own
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: projects or something like that. But you know, at the
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: end of the day, when when my people want to
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: go off and do things or do that, that's totally cool.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: But you know, for Killer Roll films, at the end
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: of the day, I'm the one still here, you know
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: what I mean. I'm still here in working no matter what.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: Everybody else can leave and branch off, but you know,
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: at the end of the day, I'm still here doing
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: stuff and that's not going to change.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, And I think you always have this
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: sort of being the master of your own fate, you
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: know what I mean. You always have to be no
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: only I mean, you're like me, Lenn. You want to
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: write your own scripts. I and honestly, because it's your story,
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: it's your own special sauce, so to speak, and you
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: want to say, you know what, I actually want to
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: see this done. So I'm going to lead the charge
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: to get this produced. Obviously I'll direct it and then
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: you know and you want to make sure that that
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: the last part of that left is the production phase,
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: you know, and you want to make sure a do
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: I have some kind of you know, money to to
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: you know, you know, cash is king, right, and then
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: you know resources, the locations and stuff like that, and
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: then we go into the whole cast and crew stuff
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: of you know, what's my list and like you said,
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: lend you As you keep doing this, your list grows
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: more and more. So if somebody does drop out, you know, hey,
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: well I have a couple other people now and I'm
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: not I'm not you know where. You know, when you
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: first start out, your list is very small, and then
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: as you start going out more, you network and you
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: start meeting new people.
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah. When I A big turning point for me with
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: the less is more kind of thing is between a
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: movie I did call Ninja Prophecy of Death, which was
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: one of my higher last like higher budgeted movies for
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: what I do, I went in and did a movie
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: called Skall Forest where Skall Forest I tried to like
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: not dumb it down, but I tried to do a
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: less is more thing where you know what, I'm not
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: trying to get twenty seven different locations. I think Skall
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: Forest might have four or five locations total in it
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: and something like that. But I knew that I'll condense
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: the story. I'll make it. You know, we're not going
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: to be running around on a film like a day planner.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: You know. Day one we're in the woods, that's it
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: where they're all day. Day two we're in a dance
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: hall or something all day. And I knew I got
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: really I got better at day planning for you know,
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: what's shooting on what day? That thing? I and the
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: less several films that went really smooth for me to shoot.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: So day planning and constructing. Usually, if I have extras,
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: I put them all on one day for example, like Hell,
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: because extras are always the hardest thing for me anyways,
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: is to round up a bunch of people, get them
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: all on the same day, on the same schedules and
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: all that stuff. That's hard. So if it's one group
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: of people that I want to really have fun on
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: my movie sets.
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  Speaker 5: It's not even so much my lead actors, it's my extras,
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: because those are the people that populate scenes and make
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: them look good, you know what I mean. So the
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: number one group of people, if you will, on set
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: that I want to come out and have fun is
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: the extras because when I do my next film, I
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: want them back to do something else if I need them.
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: So yeah, on Hellcat's Revenge, that's coming out here, and
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: it's already it's signed a worldwide multimedia, so it's out
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: of my hands now, but I do think the DVD's
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: probably come in by like Thanksgiving ish time here for
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: Hellcat's Revenge. But we did a clubhouse, if you will,
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: a female Hellcats like motorcycle clubhouse, and we shot all
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: those scenes on the same day. We did an eight
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: hour day or whatever, and all we did for that
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: eight hour shift was film all the scenes where it's
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: really really populated in the clubhouse, and it worked out
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: really really well. And we did the same thing where
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: we were at a strip club. We shot all the
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: strip club scenes on one day. Got a bunch of
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: people who doesn't want to come out and be an
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: extra in a strip club, so it's like we got
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: a bunch of people on that day. So that's one
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: thing I've gotten better at as we go along. But yeah,
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: it's those elements that you've got to It's not about
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: cutting or trimming, it's about really what I think I've
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: gotten better at is writing scripts that I know I
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: can accomplish kind of thing. And I get a lot
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: of emails actually saying, well, Len, how did you go
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: about doing this or that or how did you get
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: this or that in your films and stuff? And I said,
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: you know what, if you want to accomplish your film
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: and you're just getting rolling, or it's your first movie
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: or second movie or whatever, write one. Write your script
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: to what you know you can get. If you have
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: a script that calls for a double decker bus in
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: France and sharks coming at you from the sky, but
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: you can't get those things, don't do it. Yeah, I mean,
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: don't write it so and I'm not trying to limit
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: your imagination. But what I'm trying to do is get
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: you to have a film that's realistic for you to
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: shoot kind of thing. And it's skull force being example,
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: it's woods, it's guns, it's fight scenes, and that's about it.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: So I knew I could get that done, but so
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: I tell them that, and then I said, you know,
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: limit your cast and crew. Everybody wants to do a movie.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: Every Joe blow off the street wants to do a movie.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: But when it comes time for them to show up
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: on your set and they don't, you know, don't be
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: surprised kind of things. So you know, don't don't make
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: your cast real expansive and stuff. Just to start off,
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: I would stay start start small here and speaking, I know,
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: we've talked a lot about Swamp Zombies and yeah, I
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: mean coordinating. God bless everybody that helped me out for
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: that film. But yeah, sometimes it was just hell trying
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: to coordinate twenty zombies on set or whatever. I mean,
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: And I was doing it all back then. I didn't
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: have an associate producer or anything. I mean, I was
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: on the phone and doing Oh man, it was I
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: ain't going back there again. Put it that way. But
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: everybody that helped out was super great. I mean, I've
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: been really blessed that out of whatever a dozen movies
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: or whatever, it is now very very very I can't
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: I can't remember many dickheads or jerks really, so I've
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: been really fortunate there. And yeah, even back in the
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: day to kind of prevent that stuff, I had met Jasmine,
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: Saint Clair and Blue Meani and talked to Dan Severin
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: and well before shooting, because I knew I didn't want
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: to bring these people on that were getting paid for
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: their roles and everybody else is covered in swamp crap
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: and zombie makeup and stuff and they're not getting paid. Yeah,
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: you know, the last thing I'm gonna do is bring
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: Jasmine on Saint Clair on set and paid role and
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: have her treat my people like jerks or whatever. So
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: I made sure everybody I used had a cool personality
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: and stuff, and I still kind of work that way
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: to this day. If there's a more name person that
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: maybe once involved, I would talk to them and just
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: kind of make sure that it's gonna be a personality fit.
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: I'm a real blue collar guy, so it's dibas and
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: those kinds of people. They're just gonna hate me. I'm
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: gonna probably hate band and it's just not gonna work.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: So you know, yeah, you know that that's the thing, Lenn.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: You have to get those bad attitudes out of there,
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: and that that's so true, because those bad attitudes spread.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: It's almost like a like a disease, you know, it's
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: almost like it was like a zombie girse. You know,
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: it's like it affects one person that it affects two
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: and and that's why it's so good to sort of
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: like hire slow, fire fast, as you're saying, out of business.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: And that's something I've learned over the years too, is
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: you know, I've been there. We were just mentioning about
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: swam zombies where you're on the phone and you're trying
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: to coordinate all these people. You know, I've been there too,
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: where you're you're like, Okay, you're on the phone trying
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: to give somebody directions. People coming up to it at
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: the same time asking you for stuff, and you're like,
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: my god, you know, it's it's it's a lot, right.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: So that's when you need to have here the crew
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: to sort of you know, to sort of delegate the
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: you know, all these assignments, and you want to have
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: everyone have that upbeat attitude. Hey, look, you know we're
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: making art. We're actually out here doing something and we're
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: getting treated well for it. The director is not talking
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: down to us. You know, we all feel like we're
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: a part of the team. And I and and you
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: know I and that that so key because you know,
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: I've been on those sets here in Philadelphia where you know,
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: you show up and the director acts like, you know,
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: who the hell is you know, what are you doing here?
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: Don't talk to me or whatever, and you're like, good,
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: come on, dude, you know we're roll in the same
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: boat here. Yeah.
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, with stuff like that, I'm kind of the opposite.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: I wish I could hang out and talk to the
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: extras more, dude, just talk to people in general. I
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: mean there's people that had starring roles in my films too.
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: I probably spoke three sentences to you know, just because
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: I don't I don't have time on set, and with
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: a wonderful internet here. I mean, a lot of my directing,
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: if you will, to the actors, it's done months beforehand.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: You know, we're communicating online or you know, they'll message
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: me questions about their characters. That I do a lot
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: of the directing remotely, so when by the time they
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: show up on set, they know what's expected of them,
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: you know, character wise and things like that. So it
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: does make my job easier come actual you know, film time,
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: when the camera's rolling, that they know what what I'm
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: expecting of them, and that doesn't mean I still have
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: to kind of direct them and reel them in from
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: here or there. But it's it's a good process that
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: I get to nail a lot of direction really ahead
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: of time a lot many times.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: And that's good. That's really efficient too, because that way,
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: when they get there, you're you know, everyone knows what
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: was expected of them and you can just rock and
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: roll through this and then a lot of you know,
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: waiting around between takes and stuff like that.
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Hellcats Revenge. I rewrote the script at the
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: last minute, literally last minute. We had a cast member
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: drop out, and I thought, well, I'm still filming this.
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: I'm just going to change a couple of things. And
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: I'm you know, I had people in from Vegas, I
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: had people in from La already on set, and I
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: had to change the script. And but I did it.
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: The movie premieres tonight. It's like it's out there. It's
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: going to come to DVD later this year, and I mean, wow,
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: that was one of the craziest experience in film ever
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: to have like a lead, you know, not be there
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: and then me have to just kind of rework everything
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: at the last minute. And it definitely worked out for
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: the better. So it's one of those moments. Yeah, you
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: just got a nut up and figure out, you know
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: what are you going to do this? Are you not
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: going to do it? Pick a direction and go and
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: and mind was go make a movie.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: So yeah, and and usually lend that is the best
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: option to go with. Is just you know what, you
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: got to put your head down and just keep going
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: forward because you know a lot at the time, it
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: is the right decision, you know, because it's better to
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: make it than not make it right. So and so,
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: as we talked about Hellcats Revenge, could could you just
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: give me a you know, give everyone a log line
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: about the film?
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, Yeah. Basically, Hellcats Revenge is your your kind
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: of biker revenge movie. I mean, you're not going to
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: get some kind of complex, uh you know, seven ish
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: story out out of it or something like that. I
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: mean it's pretty straightforward. Uh, biker leader of a female
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: gang is killed and so her her hellcats if you
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: were her gang writing club or whatever you want to
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: call them, kind of go out and try to find
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: out who and they end up coming up against a
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: criminal gang called the Vipers and they kind of go
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: at it kind of thing. So it's a a female
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: gang versus a male biker gang in the film, and
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: then there's kind of some like fence sitting shady characters
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: that kind of kind of play both both sides there.
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: But yeah, it's not an all out martial art film.
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: There is some fight scenes obviously in it and stuff
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: like that. It moves along at a pretty good pace.
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: It's like an hour and twenty minutes, I think, so
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: I was pretty pleased with the run time and all
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: that kind of stuff, so I think it moves along good.
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: We had an Osmo camera for this one, so we
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: have some really cool steady tracking shots and those kinds
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: of things. The Osmo camera was wonderful, So I think
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: what people will see is increase production values, just even
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: stepping up from like Angel Reckoning, So I think they'll
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: see those kind of productions like lighting and all those
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: kinds of things. Sound, we adr and a lot of
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: stuff in it, so we wanted to make sure because
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: that's a common problem, especially micro indie stuff, is and
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: sound or the two big things that you know, usually
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: need the most work or end up sucking. So we
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: try to really and we did that with Angel of
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: Reckoning too, But even Hellcat's Revenge even more so that
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: we wanted to you know, if we have a dr stuff,
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: it is what it is. Let's just make it the best,
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: you know that we can. And so yeah, it's just
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: a crazy little action picture. There's a lot of guns,
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: few fight scenes, some hot chicks, that kind of thing.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: So I hope people enjoy it. It continues my trend
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: of like action movies without being martial art movies. But
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: that being said, you kind of mentioned this briefly, and
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: I'll touch on it now real quick, is I got
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: I Actually we'll backtrack to Hellcats one second here. I've
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: had a lot of especially like red letter media fans
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: and stuff like that, messaged me that, Len, when are
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: you going back to doing like a lead type role,
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: because they, for whatever reason, like when I'm I'm acting
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: and doing that kind of stuff. And for the last
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: couple of pictures, I really haven't been. But for those
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: that want to see me in a lead type role,
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: Hellcats Revenge will be or movie.
• 39:58
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• 40:05
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• 40:08
  Speaker 5: I play the character Snake in the movie, who is
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: like the lead villain type character. So for those that
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: want to see me in a lead role, Hellcats Revenge
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: will be your movie. It's Lisa Neild, Playboy cover model.
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: Lisa Nield plays the Cat, the leader of the Hellcats,
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: and I play Snake, the leader of the Vipers. So
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: for those that want to see me in a lead role,
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: that's the Hellcats is your movie. But that's a question
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: I got was when when you do an a lead
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: role again? So there's the answer to that. And then
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: the other question I get a lot is lend your
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: last couple of movies like Angel of Reckoning for example,
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: art really martial art movies. When are you gonna do
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: your martial art movie? Well that's coming next year. I'm
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: writing now a movie called Challenge of Five Gauntlets, which
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: is a all out martial art picture. It is done
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: in the vein of stuff I really love in the
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: seventies like Shaw Brothers Studio, martial art pictures or Kung
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: Fu movies, those kinds of things, UH got. Challenge of
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: Five Gauntlets will be uh in that style. So it
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: will be my first all out, you know, martial art picture.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: There is no vampire, zombies, you know whatever, None of
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: that is in it. It's all it's in All Out
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: Kung Fu Picture So, and that starts filming next next spring.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: And I know you mentioned that there's a certain somebody
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: from real letter Media who's going to play the the
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: wise old kung fu master.
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: I'm hoping that happens. If it doesn't, you know, it's
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: not like I'm not doing the film or whatever, but
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: I thought it would be funny, you know, if that happens.
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: It's not a comedy film, obviously, but if it happens,
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: I think it'll be really funny for the fans. If not,
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: and they they're still interested in checking it out, they're
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: gonna get what they want out of me. They're gonna
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: get that that all out martial art, you know, Picture So.
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: Even now, I'm currently as I'm writing it, I'm studying
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: a lot of fight scenes from that area, really studying
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: the choreography and things. Not so much to like rip
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: off things. That's really not my deal. It's more to
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: like understand, like in a Shaw Brothers fight scene and
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: Challenge of Five or Challenge in Five Element Ninjas. You know,
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: here's this big fight scene, how many moves do they
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: go with before cutting and switching an angle or doing
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: stuff like that, So really trying to like see how
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: the fight scenes are in those films, and really I'm
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: going to try to mold my fight scenes in a
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: similar fashion.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: And that's awesome line because again, you know, you're a
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: big martial arts fan. You're a martial art yourself. You know,
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: I've read about your background. I know you've done a
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: lot of taekwondo, a lot of pang sudo, you know,
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: and that's awesome when you can bring that to to
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: the to the films. You know, you do fight choreography,
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: and I actually can't wait to see challenge with the
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: five goal let's and see what you do with it.
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's it's I'm excited to do an all
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: out martial art picture. I really am. Because now when
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: it comes time for distribution, you know, back in the
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: as we mentioned many DV booming and the early micro
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: horror type stuff coming about. Now, I don't need to
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: play to anything. I can just do a film. And
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: you know, I realized a couple of films ago, and
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: I try to be a humble guy about things, but
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: so I never see myself as somebody like this popular
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: star type person. It's just not myself. But but now
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: people seem to want to watch my films for me
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: and not for you know, a certain actor I put
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: in them or whatever, you know what I mean. So
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: that kind of allowed me the freedom to go kind
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: of go out and make you know, gauntlets here and say,
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: you know what, I don't have to worry about trying
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: to get a gimmicky name or do something like that,
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: and I can go out and be myself now and
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: people will watch it for me, and I don't have
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: to worry about trying to draw them in with something else.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: So yeah, and you know, I found that too, Lend,
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: because when I was showing I think Swamp Zombies took
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: a few people. They actually were like, hey, where's Lennett.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: They actually and I'm not just saying next, I'm all,
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: you know, doing this interview with you, but I'm dead, seriously,
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: were like, you know, they always felt that the movie really,
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: you know, quote unquote came alive, you know, when you
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: were on screen, so, you know, honestly, and that works
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: well on because just like you said, you can actually
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: focus on Hey, look, you know what I'm in the movie.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: It's just me. You know, people want to watch for you,
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: and you don't have to you know, you know, do anything,
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: you know, you know what I mean, and that that's
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: a great advantage to have.
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and and come to challenge of five gauntlets there,
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: I will not disappoint them. I am the lead character
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: in it. I don't know how many lead roles I
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: got in me anymore. I mean, I would like to
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: stay behind the camera more, much like I did for
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: Angel of Reckoning, which I got a lot of love
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: for that film. I think it turned out pretty well
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: for you know, that kind of thing. But you know,
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: even going back, as I've had to close caption my
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: films from Amazon Prime, I've really been living a lot
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: with the movies like Swam Zombies and Curse of the
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: Wolf and Fist of the Vampire lately. And I'll say
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: this though, for Fist of the Vampire, I was you know,
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: I would put that movie up against a lot of
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: micro INDI stuff being made today. And this is the
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: Vampire is ten years old now, so there's I still
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: think there's some good stuff in there. You know, Swam Zombies,
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: Curse of the Wolf, there's a lot of growing pains.
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: But but this I think has some some decent stuff
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: in it still that can translate to today's micro filmmaking world.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: So oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, you know,
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: just as we as we all grow and we all
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: do our different films, we see different things happening, and
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: and this world that we're in land is constantly changing.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: You know, there's constantly new technology coming out, there's constantly
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: new distribution realms. I mean, I mean, hell, in two
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: thousand and six, for First of the Vampire or two
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: thousand and seven, Amazon Prime was even a thing, right,
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, It's it's like now, all
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: of a sudden, you know, there's a there's an article
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: friend of mine wrote. He goes, if you're an indie
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: filmmaker today, what's better YouTube or Amazon Prime? You know
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: which one is going to help the filmmakers more? And
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: at the end of the article, you know, spoiler alert,
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: he picks Amazon Prime and yeah, and he feels that
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: that's much better because YouTube has a lot of different
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: selections of like hey watch me play video games, Hey
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: watch me you know, practice guitar. Well, if you're on Amazon.
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: Prime, it's there to watch movies.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: Exactly right, You're just there to watch movies.
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's smart. Yeah, yeah, there is no, you know,
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: music whatever that. I mean, YouTube can be anything. It'd
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: be some I'm not playing with his dog in the
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: backyard or whatever. But I mean when you're in Amazon, right,
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: you're there to watch movies. So yeah, I think that's
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: a good way to go. And I think I'm going
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: to go that route when I've got a movie called
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: Blood Prism coming out that's gonna wrap in probably two
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: months here, And that is another one though, where again,
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: fans might see it and be like, ah, man, where's
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: land because I am not in the movie. I just wrote,
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: I co wrote and direct it. It is a dark comedy.
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: There is no action fight scene type stuff in it.
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: It's a dark comedy film. But I also with that
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: want to show people. I mean, if they check it out,
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: it's a you know, I'm not a one trick type thing.
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, I love martial art films and stuff
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: like that. I love micro horror movies and stuff. But
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: I also want to show that I'm not old school
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: or new school. I want to be all school. So
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: and that's what I'm trying to kind of prove to
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: people in Blood Prisms. So hopefully they'll check it out.
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: But it's a very very very different, different movie.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm gonna make sure to link to all
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: your stuff in the show notes.
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: Len.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: You know, I know we've been talking for about forty
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: five minutes now. I know you know we're running out
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: of time because I know you have a you know,
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: you want to you have a couple of things to
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: do before the premiere tonight. So Len, just in closing,
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: just to sort of wrap up everything. Is there anything
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: that we can get a chance to talk about that
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: maybe you want to talk about right now, or anything
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: you want to sort of say, just to put a
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: period at them this whole conversation.
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: Just to check out, Like, we just started a Patreon page.
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: It's only a two dollar we just have a two
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: dollars level. It's a patreon dot com slash Killer Wolf
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: Films if you want to check it out. I feel
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: new content every month, So it's not like you're giving
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: me two dollars and it just sits there or whatever.
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: I really just only kept it at that level. It's
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: not really more than that. It's a you know, it's
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: not a cash grab type type thing for me. It's like, hey,
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: you know, help me get lights or a camera, get
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: a stunt man or something like that in Bye By,
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: you know, joining our Patreon. So so we did start
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: the Patreon campaign there. I'm on Twitter, Twitter dot com,
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: slash Spearbol Films or you can hear me up the Facebook.
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: I'm out of like friends things now, so you can't
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: friend me because it won't let me. I guess I'm
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: at a limit or something like that. But you know whatever,
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: that's stupid. But yeah, they put a limit on your friends.
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: So that's very uh uh whatever. That seems like communistic almost,
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: But yeah, you have a cap on the number of
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: friends you can have. But check me out at Facebook
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: dot com. It's a slash len dot Kpasinski or Killer
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: Wolf's Films is on there too. But yeah, there's those
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: new things I'm doing now. There's so many new things
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: coming out. Is Swamp Zombies, Curse of the Wolf, is
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: the Vampire, They're all coming back to DVD. They're out
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: of print now. I'm working hard on them now to
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: get them back out there. Like I said, Swam Zombies
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: will probably be first up and it should be out
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: by October first, I would imagine. So so there's those things.
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: Hellcat's Revenge should be on DVD by the end of
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: the year, coming from Worldwide Multimedia. Blood Prism Again is
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: another brand new movie that I just got done shooting
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: a few months ago that should be out by the
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: end of the year on DVD. And then Challenge of
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: Five Gauntlets I'm writing. But also something that kind of
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: fell into my lap within the last week or two
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: here was a sequel to Swamp Zombies, which I know
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: he didn't get to talk about much, but that might start.
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: That could start shooting as soon as a month away,
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: and that's filming in the Philadelphia area there, so Swamp
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: Zombies two would happen. It's kind of a running Man
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: mixed with Survivor mixed with a zombie movie type story.
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: So Newt Whalen, who owns a theater in Philly there,
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: he actually wrote the script and I was kind of
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: just kind of changing and picking at things with them there.
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: It's a really cool story. So I hope the ball
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: gets rolling on that and it'll continue my stuff. Like
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: like I said, Swamp Zombies two. With a name like
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: Swamp Zombies, you're not expecting to get gone with the
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: wind type stuff there. But you know it's I told
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: him that, you know, much like I told Red Letter
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: Media when we were kind of talking about a Bite
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: of the Mummy picture.
• 50:01
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• 50:08
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• 50:11
  Speaker 5: Is you know, I'm still Leen. I'll still be Len.
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: But at the same time, the swam Zombie production kind
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: of Len is long gone, you know what I mean.
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: I'm not interested in not getting better with lighting and
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: sound and those kinds of things. So if you want
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: that more shittier level of production, I'm not interested in
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: going backwards. I just want to, you know, I want
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: to continue my trend of getting better at those things.
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: So as long as they were cool with that, I
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: was cool with that. I still love trauma movies. Swamp
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: Zombies two will still be that campy, trauma ish kind
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: of movie, but yet still have really good lighting and
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: good sound in those kinds of things. So I hope
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: everybody can check it out, drop by my Patreon or
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: hit me up on Twitter or whatever. So I try
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: to be super interactive with the fans. You know, I
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: get dinged every time somebody sends me a message, so
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: it takes me. You know, they're like Len, you must
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: not have anything to do if your respond to all
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: these fans, and I'm like, no, it's not that, It's
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: just it takes me ten seconds, if not less, to
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: just drop by and say hey, thanks for watching my
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: stuff or whatever. So I appreciate everybody that's that's kind
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: of supported Killerble films through the years here. And like
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: you said, it started in two thousand and four when
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: I started writing Swamp Szombies, and we're in the twenty
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: seventeen now and I, you know, much like I said before,
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: I'm still here, so I'm not going anywhere.
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: So jump on board and everybody. I will link to
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: everything that talked about Len and I talked about in
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: the show notes. It's at Dave Bullis dot com Twitter,
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: It's at Dave Underscore Bullets. Len Kabazinski, I want to say, man,
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: it's been an absolute blast talking with you.
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: Thanks for having me on any time. As we get
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: closer to other, you know, newer releases I have towards
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: the end of the year or whatever, let's do it again, brother.
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: You know what, Len, I love to have you back
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: on any time.
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: I you know, you and I could talk all day
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: about this stuff. Oh you talk about old movies too.
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I'm a wealth of stuff.
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: And speaking of that, just quickly on the Patreon page,
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: I have a lens Forgotten movie Den where I talk
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: a lot about direct to video, maybe films you haven't
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: heard of. Usually it's a lot of like eighties films
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: or early nineties films, but I talked about movies like
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: Overkill with Aaron Norris, or I talk about George Vera's Fistfighter,
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: a movie I adore from the eighties. So yeah, just
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: just on a tangent there about talking about movies all day.
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: I try to do that, and I pick a film
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: each month to try to bring to your attention. I
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: don't critique them or anything, but I just kind of say, hey,
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: there's this movie I really love. You should check it
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: out kind of things. So again, thanks for having me, man,
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: and enjoy your Sunday.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: You too, Lennon, and I wish you the best of
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: luck with Hell Ofcat Revenge and now all the other
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: things you got going on. So I wish you, but
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: I know the premieres tonight, so I wanted to focus
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: on that, So best of luck with that, my friend.
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: Thanks a lot, man, take care.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: I want to thank Dave so much for doing such
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: a great job on this episode. If you want to
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: get links to anything we spoke about in this episode,
• 52:49
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• 52:51
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• 53:03
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• 53:04
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• 53:08
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