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KAMELO ANTHONY SOBS: GUILTY IN STAB DEATH OF AUSTIN METCALF, 17, @ HS TRACK MEET · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Tonight with us live Austin Metcalf,
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  Speaker 1: just seventeen years old, stabbed dead, joining us now his father.
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  Speaker 1: This after Carmelo Anthony found guilty in Austin's stab death
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  Speaker 1: at a high school track mate. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us.
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  Speaker 2: The trial is over, the jury has spoken, and the
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  Speaker 2: sentence is in a.
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  Speaker 1: Fatal stabbing over a seat in a tempt.
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  Speaker 2: The jury only deliberated for three hours.
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  Speaker 3: Three hours.
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  Speaker 1: Defense really did to a bus of shotmen goes to
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  Speaker 1: theas you know that there's not a lot you could
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  Speaker 1: have done.
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  Speaker 4: This was a done bit.
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  Speaker 3: Bilsy.
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  Speaker 2: Carmelo Anthony guilty.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us tonight. A very special guest now known across
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  Speaker 1: the world as Austin's dad, Jeff Metcalf, is joining us,
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  Speaker 1: who now I believe has racked up over one hundred
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  Speaker 1: death threats. Okay, let me just remind everyone you're the victim.
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  Speaker 1: Your son, your twin boy, was stabbed through the heart
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  Speaker 1: with a piercing stab that not only punctured his heart,
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  Speaker 1: but was so brutal, so vicious, it went all the
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  Speaker 1: way into Austin's bone in his chest. There was no
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  Speaker 1: way he could survive, even though his twin Bruh, tried
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  Speaker 1: and tried there in the rain under that tent to
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  Speaker 1: save Austin's life. On that body camp, you can hear
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  Speaker 1: the twin screaming, screaming, praying, screaming all at once, trying
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  Speaker 1: to save his brother's life. And somehow you're getting death threats. Explain.
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  Speaker 5: I wish I had an explanation for it. I really
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  Speaker 5: don't understand. I mean, I understand people can be upset
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  Speaker 5: about the verdict and it didn't go the way they
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  Speaker 5: wanted to, but I mean, it was a fair trial,
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  Speaker 5: and now they're claiming it's not, and I mean I
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  Speaker 5: understand they're going to look for any avenue they hope
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  Speaker 5: and pray that they could get an appeal. I understand
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  Speaker 5: it's due process. They're entitled to it.
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  Speaker 3: I really don't. I think the judge.
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  Speaker 5: Did a good job of keeping everything under control and
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  Speaker 5: in order, and all procedures were followed correctly, so you know,
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  Speaker 5: they're entitled to an appeal. I honestly don't think it
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  Speaker 5: will be granted, but you know, that's the way the
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  Speaker 5: system works, and the system also works by being convicted
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  Speaker 5: of murder also, so.
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  Speaker 1: That's important. Mister Metcalf, you stated convicted of murder. He
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  Speaker 1: was not convicted of manslaughter. He was not convicted of
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  Speaker 1: involuntary manslaughter. The jury knew about those possibilities. He was
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  Speaker 1: convicted in first degree murder. And I want to clarify
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  Speaker 1: something that we have heard over and over and over
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  Speaker 1: that this was an all white jury. It was not.
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  Speaker 1: That is a lie. There were Asian jurars. There were,
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  Speaker 1: I believe this off the time. I had three Hispanic jurars.
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  Speaker 1: There were jars that were the least descent. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: those are not white gurrars. This jury pool, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: referring to the Petit jury, the Pettit jury, not the
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  Speaker 1: pool of two hundred that you bring in to strike
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  Speaker 1: the jury. The Petit jury is the twelve jurars and
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  Speaker 1: the alternates in the Petit Petite Pettit jury. There were Hispanics, Asians,
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  Speaker 1: and people of Middle Eastern descent. So why is it
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  Speaker 1: just so convenient for people to say it was an
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  Speaker 1: all white jury. It wasn't fair. That is not true.
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  Speaker 5: They need a narrative to spend I mean they're hanging
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  Speaker 5: on for dear life at the end of the road,
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  Speaker 5: and they're running out of time, and they're running out
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  Speaker 5: of things to say, and they're desperate.
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  Speaker 1: I was stu I don't know if you were, mister Metcalf,
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  Speaker 1: when the defense did not put the defendant on the stand,
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  Speaker 1: because in every self defense case I have ever prosecuted
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  Speaker 1: or investigated, you really have to hear from the defendant.
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  Speaker 1: You have to hear their side. Nobody can. Self defense
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  Speaker 1: is when you, the defendant, are in immediate fear, immediate
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  Speaker 1: fear of serious physical bodily harm or death, immediate fear
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  Speaker 1: that you're gonna die. Who else can describe your immediate
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  Speaker 1: fear other than you. Nobody that said he chose to
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  Speaker 1: take the Fifth Amendment. He did not testify. We can
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  Speaker 1: only wonder why, But well, I've definitely put the cart
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  Speaker 1: before the horse. Let's start at the beginning. I want
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  Speaker 1: to start with where you were and what happened the
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  Speaker 1: day that Austin was killed.
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  Speaker 5: I can remember it clear as day. I was standing
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  Speaker 5: in this room, right here in my living room, and
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  Speaker 5: the phone ring. It was Coach Jackson and he said
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  Speaker 5: he had he received a report that Austin was stabbed
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  Speaker 5: at Kirkandall Stadium. It took me about four minutes to
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  Speaker 5: get there. I lived very close to Kirkandall Stadium. I
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  Speaker 5: was able to get there before. I mean when they
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  Speaker 5: were putting Austin on the gurney, and that's when.
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  Speaker 3: I saw his face and saw him and saw.
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  Speaker 5: The the blood and I saw his When I saw
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  Speaker 5: his face, I've seen death before, and I knew he
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  Speaker 5: was gone and that image will probably never be gone
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  Speaker 5: out of my head. As soon as I was screaming
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  Speaker 5: at the EMT's what hospital?
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  Speaker 3: What hospital?
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  Speaker 5: Once I found that out, I just turned into what
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  Speaker 5: I call a survival instinct mode and I went into Okay,
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  Speaker 5: where's Hunter. I need to find Hunter. And so I
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  Speaker 5: went to Hunter. He was hysterical. I just tried to
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  Speaker 5: calm him down enough to where you know, and we
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  Speaker 5: prayed together. I said, I need let's get in the car.
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  Speaker 5: I need to get you. Let's go to the hospital.
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  Speaker 5: We drove to the hospital. I was were praying all along.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't really want to tell him what he already
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  Speaker 5: knew himself.
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  Speaker 3: When I saw the.
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  Speaker 5: Doctors walk in, I knew what they were fixed in
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  Speaker 5: the say, and when they told us that Austin had
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  Speaker 5: passed away. Hunter just I mean, we all lost it,
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  Speaker 5: but Hunter especially and it took it took five people
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  Speaker 5: to hold him down. Uh, we had to get him
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  Speaker 5: sedated and you know, just admitted for a little bit,
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  Speaker 5: and then we couldn't even see the body for hours
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  Speaker 5: because now it was a crime scene and they had
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  Speaker 5: to process the body. And so at that time, I
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  Speaker 5: mean friends and families and students just started gathering at
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  Speaker 5: the hospital and eventually, you know, everyone heard the news.
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  Speaker 3: And from there is where.
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  Speaker 5: I just started to understand what I needed to do,
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  Speaker 5: what needed to get done, find burial plots, arrange funeral arrangements.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, there was just a ton of things that
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  Speaker 5: had to be handled, and I was pretty much numb,
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  Speaker 5: and I guess in shock maybe realistically, I think when
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  Speaker 5: God carried me the most because I was able to
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  Speaker 5: do I was able to speak to some reporters and
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  Speaker 5: get the story out, and even to this day, when
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  Speaker 5: I go back and watch those interviews, I really don't
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  Speaker 5: remember a whole lot what I was saying. It's just
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  Speaker 5: been it's been very hard for everyone. But I want
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  Speaker 5: to point out something that some people I think are
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  Speaker 5: overlooking a lot is the miners that were there, who
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  Speaker 5: saw it and who had to testify, and every one
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  Speaker 5: of those children are receiving counseling, and I can't think.
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  Speaker 5: First I want to say thank you to the parents
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  Speaker 5: for allowing your child to testify and do the right thing,
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  Speaker 5: because I know, you know, with me being swatted six times,
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  Speaker 5: my ex wife Megan being swatted a few times, they
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  Speaker 5: were concerned. They were concerned for their own safety and
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  Speaker 5: for their and their kids safety, which is totally understandable,
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  Speaker 5: but being able to and this is why I think,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not for sure, but I think this is probably
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  Speaker 5: one of the reasons why the trial wasn't televised, because
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  Speaker 5: there were so many miners that were involved that they
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  Speaker 5: don't they don't need to be have They had to
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  Speaker 5: relive this day again, which just tears me apart for them,
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  Speaker 5: and no one says, you know, yes, I'm a victim,
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  Speaker 5: but realistically, all these other kids who saw this and
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  Speaker 5: have to live with it for the rest of their life,
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  Speaker 5: they're victims too. And the ripple effect, ripple effect through
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  Speaker 5: his friends, through his through our family, it affects everyone,
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  Speaker 5: not just my family and the Anthony family, and it's
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  Speaker 5: been really hard, especially being under the gag order for
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  Speaker 5: so long while I just had to sit by and
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  Speaker 5: watch everyone trash my son and my family and spread
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  Speaker 5: lies and mistruths.
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  Speaker 3: And to this day there's.
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  Speaker 5: A certain part of people in the society that they
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  Speaker 5: can't accept the verdict. They can't accept the truth that
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  Speaker 5: was presented at trial. Those were the facts. They weren't opinions,
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  Speaker 5: they weren't some made up crap. It was presented and
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  Speaker 5: the jury made a decision based on the evidence. But
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  Speaker 5: you're right for a defendant not to testify a self
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  Speaker 5: defense case, it raised huge questions.
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  Speaker 3: Just for me.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, if I was accused of something, yes, I
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  Speaker 5: would want to get up there and sing my song
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  Speaker 5: and tell him this is exactly what happened, this is
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  Speaker 5: what I was thinking, and this is what I did.
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  Speaker 5: For him not to even try to tell his side
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  Speaker 5: of the story tells me.
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  Speaker 3: Let's me form my own opinion about.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what it tells me, mister Metcalf is that he
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  Speaker 1: could not survive cross examination on his story now that
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  Speaker 1: his lawyers thought it would be too dangerous and too
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  Speaker 1: damaging to put him on the stand. That is why
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  Speaker 1: defendants typically don't take the stand because they cannot survive
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  Speaker 1: cross examined, cross examination, or their their story will unravel. Well,
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  Speaker 1: for instance, if you did not intend to do a crime,
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  Speaker 1: why did you take a knife? And the knife has
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  Speaker 1: been greatly belittled in the press. The knife has been
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  Speaker 1: referred to as hey, it's not even a deadly weapon.
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  Speaker 1: It's one inch. No, it's not. It's just a little
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  Speaker 1: shorter than the k bar knife used in the Brian
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  Speaker 1: Coburger slaughter. Look, I want to see it again, please,
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  Speaker 1: That is a deadly weapon. I mean, the law is
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  Speaker 1: is that whatever causes a crime, whatever causes a murder,
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  Speaker 1: is a deadly weapon. It can be a car, it
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  Speaker 1: can be fists, it can be feet, it can be
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  Speaker 1: anything a baseball bat that results in a death, that
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  Speaker 1: is a deadly weapon. So I don't know why people
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  Speaker 1: are trying to minimize this. I think I know why,
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  Speaker 1: mister Matt Kalff, because the fact that you take as
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  Speaker 1: you and I have discussed many times obviously off air. Yes, ma'am,
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  Speaker 1: my son play soccer and my son did track basketball,
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  Speaker 1: you name it. He's never taken a knife to attract me.
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  Speaker 1: Why did Carmelo Anthony take a knife? To attract me.
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  Speaker 5: That question only he can answer, and I guess we'll
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  Speaker 5: never know. I need to give credit where credits due.
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  Speaker 5: Bill Razinski, the ADA, Greg Willis, the DA, and the
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  Speaker 5: entire team of attorneys and investigators. They did an outstanding job.
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  Speaker 5: And they worked I know for a fact, seven days
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  Speaker 5: a week to months before the trial. They didn't have
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  Speaker 5: a day off. They were prepared, They did their homework,
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  Speaker 5: and be honest, Bill destroyed even their their witness And
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  Speaker 5: after seeing the performance that Bill had done with the
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  Speaker 5: previous witnesses, I'm one hundred percent sure that had a
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  Speaker 5: lot to do with them saying we cannot put you
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  Speaker 5: up on the stand. This prosecutor will destroy you and
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  Speaker 5: it will make you look bad, and he's already looking
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  Speaker 5: bad enough.
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  Speaker 1: Well, in hindsight, this is what the Anthony and I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about, Carmelo Anthony, the defendant now convicted in the
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  Speaker 1: murder of Austin, your teen boy. This is what they
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  Speaker 1: have to say. Everyone actually lied on the stand.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone.
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  Speaker 5: All of the witnesses statements were inconsistent, all of them.
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  Speaker 6: We called about seventeen nine witnesses and it was a
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  Speaker 6: bear diverse group of young men and women that came
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  Speaker 6: into court to testify, and the jury that saw that
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  Speaker 6: quickly realized this case was never about race. This case
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  Speaker 6: was about murder, plain and simple.
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  Speaker 1: That's my friends at CBS eleven and Fox. First, you
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  Speaker 1: were hearing Missus Anthony speaking Carmelo Anthony's mother. She's sitting
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  Speaker 1: there along with mister Anthony, and you know what, mister metcalf,
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  Speaker 1: I get it. Let me see, mister mccaff please, mister metcalf,
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  Speaker 1: I swear to you, if the Angel Gabriel came down
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  Speaker 1: from heaven and told me to my face that my
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  Speaker 1: son or my daughter, my twins had committed murder, I
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  Speaker 1: would say, you are a liar, you're lying. I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: believe it because I don't want to believe it. So
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  Speaker 1: I understand where the parents are coming from. I get it,
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  Speaker 1: she says, But that is actually a phrase and argument
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  Speaker 1: that I would argue in closing arguments until I was
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  Speaker 1: blue in the faith. Do you believe that every one
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  Speaker 1: of the state's witnesses are lying, all of them are lying,
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  Speaker 1: and he is the only one telling the truth. Does
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  Speaker 1: that make sense to you? No, because it's not true.
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  Speaker 1: But that is what the Anthony family they truly believe
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  Speaker 1: that all the witnesses lied. You were there, you were
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  Speaker 1: in court, gavel to gavel. What did the witnesses tell
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  Speaker 1: the jury under oath?
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  Speaker 5: Well, when she talks about the discrepancies, there were some
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  Speaker 5: as far as the total exact recall of every detail,
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  Speaker 5: but every single witness said he was the aggressor. He
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  Speaker 5: was asked to leave multiple times. One a couple of
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  Speaker 5: witnesses satisfied. They even heard Austin tell him, Hey, I
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  Speaker 5: don't want to fight you man.
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  Speaker 3: That attract me.
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  Speaker 5: And I understand because grief has many different stages, and
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  Speaker 5: denial is one of those stages, and I think that's
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  Speaker 5: where they're living in right now. I think it would
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  Speaker 5: be hard to accept the fact that your son is
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  Speaker 5: going to prison. I mean, I understand it, but you
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  Speaker 5: also have to you have to understand and show they
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  Speaker 5: haven't shown any accountability or remorse. And that's that's what
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  Speaker 5: I have an issue with. It's always playing the victim
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  Speaker 5: on their side, which the true victim in this, in
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  Speaker 5: this whole case, is my son, Austin. He's the one
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  Speaker 5: who was stabbed to death in the heart with a
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  Speaker 5: knife by your son. So I'm sorry you're in denial,
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  Speaker 5: but the facts have them out. You're going to have
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  Speaker 5: to live with those facts, and you're gonna have to
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  Speaker 5: live with the fact that your son is a convicted
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  Speaker 5: felon murderer.
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  Speaker 3: Who is sentenced to a.
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  Speaker 5: Time in prison. And that is the cold, hard truth.
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  Speaker 5: Now you can hang your hat on an appeal. And
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  Speaker 5: I understand if I'm a parent, I would do everything
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  Speaker 5: possible also to try to save my son. I understand
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  Speaker 5: from a parental point of view, But my parental point
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  Speaker 5: of view is if my son did this, I would
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  Speaker 5: hold him accountable. I would make him apologize. I would
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  Speaker 5: be profusely telling the other family, I am so sorry.
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  Speaker 5: Is there anything I can do to help? I can't
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  Speaker 5: believe this happened. And that was not the reaction. It
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  Speaker 5: was from day one. Family members from this family, Kevin Hayes,
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  Speaker 5: posted a long list of just blatant lies, saying he
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  Speaker 5: was jumped, his phone was broken, there was a big fight,
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  Speaker 5: and I hate to try to paint the other side
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  Speaker 5: like they're trying to lie, but the truth is they
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  Speaker 5: all came out with a bunch of lies. Oh it
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  Speaker 5: wasn't a knife, it was a think sharpeneur. Well, no,
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  Speaker 5: that's been debunked. My boys were actually under the tent
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  Speaker 5: when Carmelo walked under the tent. The boys didn't walk
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  Speaker 5: up on him. We were already there. And as far
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  Speaker 5: as the video goes, yes, I've seen the enhanced video.
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  Speaker 5: The whole encounter between him and Austin lasted about twelve
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  Speaker 5: seconds and you could see a push to the shoulder
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  Speaker 5: doesn't even make him take three steps back. It's a
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  Speaker 5: push and then there's an immediate stab immediately.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean when you isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: True, mister Metcalf that witnesses stated, And I want to
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  Speaker 1: circle back to what we learned at t not always
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  Speaker 1: said before or after, but what evidence the jury heard,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it true? Witnesses stated that Carmelo Anthony said touch
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  Speaker 1: me and you'll see what happens. That does not sound
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  Speaker 1: like self defense. That sounds like provoking by the way
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  Speaker 1: that video was showing you is from our friends at NBC.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't that come out in court or do I have
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  Speaker 1: it wrong?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, it did come out in court, and yes he
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  Speaker 5: did say that. There was also some other things, some
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  Speaker 5: more colorful language that was used that he used. But
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  Speaker 5: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna use that language on air,
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  Speaker 5: But there was other provocative gestures and words that were
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  Speaker 5: also used that was just basically antagonizing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, here's the deal, here's the deal, mister metcalf. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: under the law we look at when you have a
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  Speaker 1: self defense case, the first thing you do is say
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  Speaker 1: who's the aggressor in this case, Carmel Anthony, now convicted
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  Speaker 1: of murder by a jury that is not all white,
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  Speaker 1: goes over to your son's tent were sitting. They're all seated,
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  Speaker 1: most of them are seated under the tent. It's drizzling.
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  Speaker 1: I've been to a million games, a million track meets soccer, football,
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  Speaker 1: you name it. It rains and everybody just sits there.
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  Speaker 1: It's no big deal. It's kind of expected. You're gonna
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  Speaker 1: get rained out, you're gonna be in the rain. But
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  Speaker 1: Carmelo Anthony goes under your son's team tint. Nobody does that.
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  Speaker 1: You think Wemby of the Spurs when Byama's going to
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  Speaker 1: go sit on the knickt bench. Uh, No, you don't
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  Speaker 1: do that. Nobody does that. So why would he go unprovoked?
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  Speaker 1: Had not met, had never met your son that was
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  Speaker 1: established to goes under your son team tent with a knife.
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  Speaker 1: That makes him the aggressor under the law. He was
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  Speaker 1: repeatedly asked to leave. He says, touch me and find
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  Speaker 1: out what happens with his hand in his pack on
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  Speaker 1: the knife you're saying, goes like that, he takes out
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  Speaker 1: a knife and stabs him in the heart. That is
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  Speaker 1: what happened, according to all the witnesses. Do I have
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: it right, Jeh.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am. That's exactly That's exactly what happened.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, in Texas there are elements you have to
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: meet for self defense, but if provocation is involved. And
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: also a lot of people understand the law in Texas well.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: Yes we have a castle doctrine, Yes we have a
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: standard ground doctrine. Neither of those applied in this situation.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: If you know the law.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: We have a lot of armchair attorneys out in Facebook
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: that think they know everything, which cracks me up. But
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: when you look at the law itself and apply the
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: five elements of self defense in Texas, he didn't meet those,
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: and the jury was showed the evidence and they determined
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: that he was guilty. Uh, you know, I guess there's
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: not much more I can say other than I wish
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: he would have testified, because the big question remains why.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: And I'll be honest.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: Once that verdict was read that he was guilty, his
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: parents and his advocates got up and left. They left
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: that child for sentencing.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: They weren't there.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: She came in and read and did two sentence or
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: two question statement and then.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Walked rot back out, which was Kayla.
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: And they weren't there for victim impact statements are sentencing.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: They left that boy by himself to sit there to
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: hear how many years and then to hear from our
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: side of the family, and they weren't there. They abandoned
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: that child.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: I actually felt sorry for him at that moment. I
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: could not believe it.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Another fallacy lie. In addition to stating that this was
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: an all white jury. I just want to get my
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: facts absolutely correct. Dave Matt, give me the jury breakdown
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: real quick, Nancy.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: There were a total of eighteen jurors, including alternates, and
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: on that jury pool, there were six minorities of the
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: eighteen Okay, all included six minorities on the jury.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Eighteen jurars including alternates, six non white, consisting of three
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Hispanics of Middle Eastern descent and Asian one third of
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: the Pettit jury pool one third thirty three point three
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: percent non white. Okay, that's one fallacy. The other fallacy
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: is about the sentencing, mister metcalf, isn't it true Carmelo
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: and he could have been sent us up to ninety
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: nine years behind bars, but he got thirty.
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: Five and eligible for parole after seventeen and a half.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: I mean he could be out. He could still be
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: out by forty.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Gray, and.
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: A lot of times in self defense cases, the conventional
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: wisdom is you're not going to win on self defense
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: unless you call your client.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: So I was.
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: Hoping he would take the stand. I was hoping jurors
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: in our community would get to hear whatever story he
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: chose to tell.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: Did Carmelo want to testify in his own on his
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: own behalf?
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: And was it was based on everything?
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: He didn't need anything because everything they said when his
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: self defense they have to prove, they never proved.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: That is where our friends at Fox News and the
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Breakfast Club, the parents and I get It T Shirt says,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: believe Carmelo. They want desperately to believe their son. I
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: would want to believe my son. I would believe my son,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: but the son never took the stand ever, so there
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: was nothing to believe. I want to go back to
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: being in the courtroom. I want to go back to
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: when Austin was killed. You stayed in, mister Metcalf, that
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: you went to the hospital. You had Austin's twin with you. Hunter.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: How has this affected Hunter?
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: It's obviously changed him forever. Hunter is the strongest person
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: He has shown me things I'm not even capable of.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: The other night, when he came by, we spoke and
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: I looked him in the end, I said, I need
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: to have a chat with you. And I said, when
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: you stepped up on that witness stage two to read
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: your victim impact statement, you were a boy. When you
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: step down, I saw a man. I've been trying to
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: teach him and I've been drilling it into his head
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: for years. Learn communication. Learn how to articulate your words,
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: to express yourself and your feelings in a way where
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: people can understand and identify. I said, well, communication is
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: the key for everything. Your your relationships, your wife, your business,
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: your your friends, your family. It's all about being able
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: to be understood and effectively communicate that. And when he
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: took that stand, I was really concerned because I knew
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: how he felt about Carmelo, and he followed my testimony,
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: which I myself became very emotional during my victim impact statement.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: I as manybody who was in the courtroom when I said,
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: grief is not sadness. Grief is rage, pure unfiltered rage,
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: and from what people told me, because I've really don't
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: recall a lot of it after until people told me,
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: but they said I slammed my hand on the table,
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: and I did tell him look me in the eye,
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: and he never could raise his head the whole.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Time and looked me in the eye. But Hunter got
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: up there, calm, cool, direct, powerful words, asked that man
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: to look him in the face.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: Carmelo looked him up for about four seconds and lowered
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: his head again, and then needed to tell him what
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: he took from him, without becoming emotional, without screaming or yelling,
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: just very monotone, very matter of fact. And when he
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: stepped down, I'll be honest, I couldn't be more proud
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: of my son ever, because I told him, I.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Think when I was trying.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: To teach you, you showed me that you have it
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: inside you. Now I know you have it, you can
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: do it. And it made me very proud of Hunter
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: for him to be able at eighteen, after suffering the
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: trauma which I cannot even start to imagine, that he
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: was able to maintain his composure, express hisself articulately, and
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: then walk away. Because I'll be honest, when I'm within
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: five feet of the person who killed my son, I'm
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: just glad there were a lot of bailiffs in that
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: courtroom because it was very, very hard to keep my composure,
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: and I can't imagine an eighteen year old boy who
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: doesn't have sixty years of wisdom like I do, displayed
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: like he did better than me controlling himself. So I
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: tipped my hat to Hunter.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Mister Metcalf, you were stating that you took him with you.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: He was in the car with you when you guys
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: went to the hospital, and what you were going through.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: What was Hunter doing at that time at the hospital.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: He was totally hysterical. When I got to him in
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: the locker room, I had to try to get him under.
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: Control, just just I just grabbed him and hugged him
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: and prayed, and I had to get him to at
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: least control his breathing at least a little, just sort
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: so I could get him under control enough, just to
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: get him to my car. In the car, he's still hysterical.
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: We're still praying. I'm driving like a maniac to the hospital.
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: And I didn't I didn't want to say it, but
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: Hunter said, Dad. I saw his eyes roll back in
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: his head.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: I saw his soul leave his body and mine went
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: with it.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: I didn't know how to respond to that. It crushed
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: me still does.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: When you walked out of the hospital that day and
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: you stepped outdoors from being inside being told that Austin
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: was dead, what went through your mind? What were you feeling?
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: There was no place to nothing to do, nothing to say,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: nothing could help, nothing could fix what.
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: No, But I will say this, the support that showed
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: up at the hospital. There were there were probably fifty
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: sixty students, parents, family, friends. We had so many rooms
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: full and out in the courtyard. I mean there were
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: over one hundred people there and that helped. I didn't
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: feel alone. And the support I could feel. I could
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: feel God doing his work and he knew what we needed.
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: And the support system that we have now and in
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: place for Hunter myself. Megan, you know it's I can't
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: thank these people enough and for the outpouring of support
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: from people all across the nation that I don't even know,
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: who send me very very nice text messages or even
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: actually call me sometimes and just expressed to me.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: They tell me.
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: I'm some sort of inspiration ers. I mean, I'm just
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: a man, and God works through many people in many ways.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: I'm nothing special, but I do believe, well.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Not according to the majority of the public, is very special.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: And you stand for something which is a burden and
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: a compliment. But it's a burden because everything you do
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: or say is going to be scrutinized and it will
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: mean something either good or bad to the crime victim community,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: which is millions and millions of people crime stories. With
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, I want to share something that you said
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: to me during the trial. I was away, I couldn't
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: get to you, and the jury was deciding on the sentence,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: and you said, jury is deciding punishment as we speak.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I wrote back, what is your hope? I was referring
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: to what do you think would be a fair sentence?
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: And what you wrote back.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: I will never forget it because I was with my twins,
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: as you know, and I wrote what is your hope?
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: And you wrote back that my son will walk through
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: the door again. So it seems to me this whole
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: time you have not been focused on.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Him going to.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Prison for life or him getting a death penalty. It's
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: not been about that. You just want your son to
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: come back through the door.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: Yes, but I know the reality, and it's a hard
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: pill to swallow.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: When you wake up, does it sometimes feel like none
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: of this ever happened and then you realize it really
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: did happen.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: Early on, early on, Yeah, early on I had that
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: a little bit of denial. But I will tell you this,
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: after the trial was over, I woke up for the
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: first time without the high level of anxiety and dread
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: and this just dark feeling that just consumed me for
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: so many months being under the gag order. Why I
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: just watched the the stuff being spread about my son
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: not being able to say a word to anyone. But
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: after the trial, I did wake up with a sense
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: of I didn't wake up with anxiety and dread and
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: just h I felt like getting out of bed for
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: a change too. I mean, I just it's been. It's
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: very it's been very hard on my mental health, spiritually, mentally, physically. Uh,
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: it has drained me tremendously. And you know, I'm still
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: I'm still not back where I need to be. I mean,
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: I'm not for sure. People don't understand. I mean, I
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: know you, Nancy, We've spoken and you understand loss. We've
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: spoken about your personal loss too, and people don't understand
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: what a loss.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: That you lose someone. I went through a grief group
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: for thirteen weeks with my church, and I'm the only
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: person in the group who didn't lose a spouse.
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: And everybody was said, your loss is so much different
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: than our loss. And I wasn't trying to minimize their loss,
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: but everyone recognized that losing a child is not a
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: natural procession in life. It's not the right order. You
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: should never bury your children. And you know, I watched
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: one of my grandmothers bury two of her sons, and
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: I saw what it did to her. And I was
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: young at the time, so I wasn't fully capable of
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: understanding the whole concept and realm of grief and death.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: And you know, they were my uncles. I loved them.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: I was still a kid but you know, now I
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: look back about what my grandmother went through and now
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: what I have to go through.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: And for any.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: Parent out there who has lost a child, it's a
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: you know, it's a smaller club. Membership dues are high.
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: It's not something you really want to be a member of.
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: I didn't ask for it, but I was given. As
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: my ex wife put in her victim impact statement, he
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: was given thirty five years. We were all given a
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: life sentence. Yes, he could have gotten ninety nine years,
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: the jury chose thirty five. He s elgible for parole
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: in seventeen.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: And that I remember, mister Metcalf. After my fiance was murdered,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: people would say, well, what do you want to happen
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: to the killer? And I remember at the time, I
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: don't feel that way now, but at the time I'd say,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: I don't care. Doesn't even matter. Keith is dead. Yes,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: none of it matter.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Is it doesn't exactly matter.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: And that same thing happened when I walked by the
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: defendant's table and looked down. All the defense attorneys looked down.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: It couldn't look at me in the eye, and the
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: defendant looked down, would not look at me in the eye.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think if it had been me charged,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I would be screaming. I didn't do it. I'm sorry,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry what happened, but I didn't do it. I
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: didn't do it. Nothing wouldn't even look up. I've got
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: a question. I've seen this ask many times online, so
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you for them. Do you ever feel
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: that Austin is communicating.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: With you many times? One of the so me Hunter
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: and Austin. Since they were two, we always went hunting
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: and fishing all the time.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: And this year, you know they talk about the first
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: so July thirty first obviously is their birthdays. I had
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: to go through that without Austin. And then you have Holidays, Thanksgiving,
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: empty chair, Christmas packages that they'll go unopened. And after Christmas,
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: I was out hunting on a new place because we
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: had lost the place that we had had for sixteen years.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: They had decided to sell and we had had to.
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: Move on, and I didn't know if I was ever
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: going to even gonna hunt again. To be honest, Oh,
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: there's someone that's the great picture and I'm sitting there
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: all alone in the woods, and on Facebook they have
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: you know that has this memories that pop up, you know,
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: from past years or whatever. And it popped up and
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: it was the video of Austin that I did when
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: he shot his first buck, and I did like this
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: little interview with him and they went back and forth
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: and it was I'll tell you this, every day in
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: that county was safe at that moment because I couldn't
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: see through my scope.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: I sat there for two hours in the middle of
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: the woods and just cried.
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: But the dream I had the day after he was killed,
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: he came to me and his little cameo and his
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: little smirky smile, and he always called me Pops, and
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: he said, Pops.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: I'm okay, and that was it. I woke up and
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: I cried for hours.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: And just the other night, I was on my back
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: porch just sitting out there in the swing and just
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: thinking about him, and this cardinal comes and lands on
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: my fence and sit there and looks at me. And
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: I don't know if some people know or some people say,
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: but cardinals are a sign of people that have passed on.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: And I have come back to visit you to let
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: you know, and.
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: All the there's little things that happened that he lets
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: me know he's still here. And when I went out
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: to his grave the other day, I actually just laid.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Down on the ground and held him and he hugged
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: me back.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: I know where he's at, Austin, so competitive I told him, Look, son,
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: you beat me again. You know you beat me there.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: But I'm coming. I don't know when, but I'll see
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: you again and we'll sit down and you can tell
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: me why, and I'll ask God why. But until then,
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: I really won't have any understanding. I just have to
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: lean into God's plan and his understanding, and uh trust,
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: I just trust God, and he's the only reason I'm
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: still here. I'm glad both my boys uh New New
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: Christ and what you know, Jesus Christ was their savior.
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: So I mean, I don't have any doubt whatsoever that
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: Austin is in heaven. And I'm sure and I pray
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: that I live my life uh in a Christian way
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: enough to get my name put in the book to
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: and so I can see my son again, which I
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: totally believe.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Mister metcalf. I was just about to ask you what
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: is your message tonight? But I believe that you just
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: told me. I want you to know that prayers are
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: lifted up for you and for Hunter, for Austin.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: And Megan.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: All day.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Megan his mother.
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: Yes, and well, people talk about, you know, my boys
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: come from a broken home.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: Megan's a great mom. I'm a good dad. We raised
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: those boys. I mean they lived an hour away. I
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: mean we're minutes apart, and I showed up. I mean
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: I got tons of pictures from day one since they
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: were born. I was never an absent father. I never
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: once laid a hand on any woman in my entire life.
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: I mean the stuff that's out there that you know,
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: Oh that Austin broke me and whooped my ass and stuff,
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: I think that was a jiu jitsu injury from years
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: ago that I finally had to get my shoulder replaced
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: after I.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Did shoulder rotor cuff surgery the year before.
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: So that incident they talk about was years ago and we.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: Were just training.
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: It happens, I mean, myself in the wrong position, and.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Mister Metcalf, let me just stop you right there. Please.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: If you spend your days trying to correct all the
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: lies that have been said about you, you won't have time.
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  Speaker 1: You have a very very special boy that is watching
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  Speaker 1: you right now by the name of Hunter Metcalf, and
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  Speaker 1: he's looking to his father and his mother for the
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  Speaker 1: example you are given giving him about how to live
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  Speaker 1: his life. So forget about all the lies I know
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  Speaker 1: they heard. I know they're irritating. But you don't have time.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have time to look back, you don't have
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  Speaker 1: time to look to either side. You better keep running, man.
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  Speaker 3: I don't need to defend myself to anyone.
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  Speaker 1: No, you don't, so please don't.
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  Speaker 5: I stand by what I say, I stand by what
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  Speaker 5: I do, and I'll share this right now. Hunter is
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  Speaker 5: not even comfortable comfortable with me doing interviews, and I
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  Speaker 5: understand his point of view, but I had to explain
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  Speaker 5: to him. You know, I've spoken with my counselor. For
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: me to speak about Austin is part of my therapy
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  Speaker 5: and healing process. That's the way I will process the grief.
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  Speaker 5: Hunter processes it differently, Megan processes it differently. There is
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: no playbook, there is no right or wrong, there is
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  Speaker 5: no timeline.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone.
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  Speaker 5: Grief is something that each individual has to experience and
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  Speaker 5: go through all the stages, and how they do that
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  Speaker 5: is totally independent upon them. So you know, it's a
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  Speaker 5: double edged sword for me to come on and do
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  Speaker 5: interview sometimes because I know Hunter doesn't like it, but
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  Speaker 5: I have to do it for me. And I need
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: to carry Austin's name on forever because there's been people
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  Speaker 5: that have taken advantage of me during this time and
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  Speaker 5: it's it's terrible.
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  Speaker 1: What what do you mean to took advantage of your how?
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  Speaker 3: I mean.
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  Speaker 5: I can call out people by name. I'm not for
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  Speaker 5: sure if I should or not, but I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 5: there were people.
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  Speaker 1: That don't don't use names, but what happened.
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  Speaker 5: I'd love to use names, actually, but because what they
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  Speaker 5: did was they stole from me, and uh, I couldn't
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  Speaker 5: believe someone would take advantage of a grieving father the
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: way some people have.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, I don't understand stole what what happened?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I'm trying to make this ass as painless as
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: possible because I'm trying to allow this person to correct
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: the mistake they made. But you know, we we were
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: we were gonna do something in honor of Austin. I
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: won't go into great detail, but we invested in something
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  Speaker 5: and basically it was fraudulent. Uh. These people they were
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: telling me one thing and doing another and it's.
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  Speaker 1: So they took money from a murder victim's family. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: well that's a whole other show, which I'm happy to do.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us tonight speaking, you know, he's never really gotten
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  Speaker 1: to speak without somebody throwing a hateful question at him,
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  Speaker 1: belittling him, trashing his son, trashing his family. I can
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  Speaker 1: just say this, mister Metcalf, you are quite the example.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us tonight. God speak to
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  Speaker 1: you and your family and we will continue praying, praying
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  Speaker 1: without ceasing.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, Nancy, great to see you again.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: And tonight we remember a hero Officer, Kristin Yaker, Central
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Burke's Regional PD, Pennsylvania, killed in the line of duty.
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  Speaker 1: She Lea's behind her husband Dustin and three children, Tanner,
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  Speaker 1: Connor and Carly without a mother. American hero Officer Kristin Jaeger.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you to mister Metcalf for joining us tonight. Nancy
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  Speaker 1: Grace signing off for tonight, but God willing, I'll see
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  Speaker 1: tomorrow night, and until then, good night,