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The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars - David Bowie · Barber Cuts: Beats and Bars

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Welcome to Barbara Cuts, Beads and Vars.
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We're a father to daughter music podcast that slices into some of
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the greatest albums, one cut at a time.
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With no industry ties or formal training, just a shared love of
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music, we explore albums across genres, rating favorites and
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skips while digging into what makes each one iconic.
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I bring the beats. And I bring the bars and
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together we deliver real talk and fresh takes from both sides
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of the sound. Everyone.
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I'm Riley. And I'm Todd, and welcome to
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this week's edition of Barber Cuts, where we talk about maybe
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the longest album name, The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and
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the Spiders from Mars by David Bowie.
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Not out. And it's from 1972.
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Most people just call it Ziggy Stardust.
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And so we will too, because that's quite a mouthful to say
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if we have to repeat it over and over again.
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But that's what we're talking about today.
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So let's dive right in and talk about our least favorite songs
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from this album. So, Riley, go ahead.
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Hey, so one of my least favorite songs was Starman.
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The lyrics just were kind of weird.
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I don't know, I get that a lot of his lyrics are kind of weird.
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I guess I shouldn't just say that as the reason I just liked
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one song, but I just, I didn't really love how it sounded.
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And then the other one that was probably my least favorite was
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Ziggy Stardust. Yeah, I just this one, this one
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was the most outlandish, I would say, in a lot of ways for lyrics
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because it was about Ziggy Stardust.
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I liked the story but the individual lyrics were just off.
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That's true. So my least favorite two were so
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one of them was soul love, you know, and it just again sounded
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off. It was one of the like he was
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nasally as he sang the song and of course he's good enough to
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for me to believe that that was intentional.
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And so, but it just, I just didn't care for it,
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unfortunately, because it did have a very nice, what I think
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was a saxophone solo right in the middle of it.
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But overall didn't, didn't redeem the song enough for me.
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And my least favorite was hang on to yourself.
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And if you hear that and have listened to that song and I've
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heard us enough, you'll know that you'll know why.
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Had a strong punk feel to it at the very beginning.
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And so that makes sense, but then it then seems to switch
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over to like a 50s swing type vibe, but then back to punk and
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kind of shifts back and forth between those two, which is
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quite a a start shift. And so, you know, that would be
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why that one was my least favorite.
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So on to favorites. Riley, what were your favorite
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songs? So one of my favourites was It
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ain't easy. I just I liked how it sounded.
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That's pretty much it for this one.
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I just liked how it sounded. The the lyrics are dark but fun.
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I mean, it's saying it ain't easy to get to heaven when
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you're going down. That's, you know, whatever, but
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just a good song, I would say. Yeah, I read somewhere it's a
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cover, but I can't remember who the original artist was.
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I did not know it was a cover, but that kind of makes sense
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because it didn't really, it didn't really sound like all of
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this other stuff lyrically It it did kind of stand out.
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So that makes sense. Didn't.
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Fit the vibe that the rest of the album was given.
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No, which I guess I shouldn't say maybe why I liked it.
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My other favorite was Rock'n'roll Suicide.
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I mean, talk about a good song. It sounded good, it built, it
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was like just like heart wrenching, but yet like hopeful
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at points and like camaraderie, like it just is a good song.
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It's it's such a good song. I just really liked it.
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It's the one I kept coming back to you.
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It's, I mean, I, I just really liked the song.
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Yeah, so my favorites were I'll start with second favorite was
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actually between one of your least favorites, Starman and
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Suffragette City. And you know, I I did I went
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with Suffragette City. I actually like Starman.
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It it it was catchy, gave the same sounding vibes as Space
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Odyssey. So Space Oddity, if you know
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that one ground control to Major Tom is the how it starts.
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And also like how I said in the South, we say boogie, but he
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said boogie, which I thought was kind of funny.
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So, but Suffragette City, So it other than maybe it Ain't Easy,
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maybe the most rock'n'roll song on the album.
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And I like the guitar that keeps going in the background.
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It's, you know, about a minute and a half somewhere in there
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there's a brief little guitar solo.
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And for this song though, it's the 247.
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It's the false ending is what everybody calls it, and it's one
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of the things that the song is known for.
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It's got to build up like the song is about to end.
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But then it doesn't, he comes back in and goes, you know, for
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about 30-40 more seconds. So I liked, I like that, like
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that song. My favorite song is also
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Rock'n'roll Suicide. And you know, this is, you know,
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before going into why, the first time I heard it, I was like, OK,
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this could be a song on Funeral by Arcade Fire.
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I got some of that guys about to say.
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So that makes sense Why if I thought that based on the sound
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and everything and then looking at the lyrics, it's it's it's
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very lyrical lyrically good too. So that makes sense why you
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would like it. And so, you know, I really like
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the acoustic beginning. And then in in I guess the
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chorus, he says, oh, no, no, no, you're a rock'n'roll suicide.
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And on the You're a Rock'n'roll suicide, the bass drum, like all
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the music goes away. The bass drum kicks in and
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almost at a different tempo. It sounds like the bass drum is,
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but yet his voice stays at that same tempo that he's been going
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at. So that's a really neat
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musically thing that that happened there and really calls
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attention to the words Rock'n'roll suicide as he's as
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he's saying it, you know, then you got a shift about a minute
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or so into the song. Got a full band.
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Some horns come in for just a moment and then they go away.
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So that's really neat to add in an extra musical element there.
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Song continues to build like you mentioned and at at right at 2
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minutes he builds to this. You're not alone.
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And then right after that, it's like at two O 8.
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So just 8 seconds of a Psalm, which is nothing.
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He says, I've had my share. I'll help you with the pain.
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And then he sings, You're not alone again.
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But you know this, you're not alone.
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His voice crackles. That's the one, you know where
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his voice is crackling as he sings.
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And it's, it's a very controlled scream.
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So it doesn't feel like a, a screamo type of anything, but
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it's, it's controlled. So it's crackling.
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And again, this is the, the build up.
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This is another one of those things that reminded me of of
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Arcade Fire. You can hear the anguish in his
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voice when he's doing that. And so it was just a really good
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song to me the the way that it the way that it did.
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And again, we we talked about on a couple episodes a this album
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and and we'll get to it more, but this was a very good ending
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song for this album. Top, top notch ending song.
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So so that being said, why any anything else about favorites
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before we get into why people should go give this one a look.
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I would just say also with that, I think this song also hit a
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little bit harder considering like the past, I mean within the
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past like 3 episodes we've talked twice about like all of
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our favorite artists who have passed away due to suicide and
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like the life being too much and stuff like that.
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So listening to this song, I think hit a little harder after,
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like, talking about that and thinking about like, how hard
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that must have been. The lyrics just kind of hit a
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little bit harder, yeah. And, and especially as, as we'll
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get to in a second, the storyline of the album with Zeki
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Stardust. So all right, so why should
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people listen to this album? I'll start and basically just
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say it's David Bowie. So it's his fifth studio album
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and really he had a career all over the place, mainly as a
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musician that that he's well known for.
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He also had some acting things, but also did some painting,
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writing and other things. His biggest hit that people know
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is a collaboration with Queen Under Pressure.
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The people from the, you know, my people from the 90s will also
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realize that as Ice Ice Baby by Vanilla Ice.
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And he also wrote The Man Who Sold the World, which was from
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an album earlier than this one that Nirvana covered on their
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famous MTV Unplugged album. And that album is actually on
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The Man Who Sold the World. That album is on Cobain's famous
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list. That was in our last or one of
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our last Instagram post album is number 40 on the Rolling Stone
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Greatest Albums and really Bowie, David Bowie, a really
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Ziggy Stardust popularized the glam rock genre for better or
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for worse that busted forward after this.
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So that that's really about David Bowie and Ziggy Stardust.
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So what else you got 'cause I got some other things, but I'll
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let you share the share the microphone.
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I mean, Bowie, Bowie is like a household name, you know, like
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Bowie Bowie's like, genuinely household name.
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I think it would be hard to find someone who didn't know at least
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the name Bowie, David Bowie. And like, kind of like you were
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saying, it's a funny way to word it.
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I think he's one of the closest things we have to like a modern
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Renaissance artist in the sense of Renaissance artists were
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never like just in one sector of art.
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They were always in every sector of art.
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And that junior thing is David Bowie.
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Like he was impossible to put into a category and that was
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what was so unique about him. And even his music does that
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too. He left from the glam rock like
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Ziggy Stardust literally retired and he moved on to other like
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genres and sounds like so he even melded and molded in his
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music. Yeah, so he just was a true
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artist in most, most every way. And I think you can really see
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that in this album because it combines a lot of different
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styles of music and also combines which I'll let you talk
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about because you see a a story really.
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But I'll be it hard to follow at times unless you're listening.
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But it does tell a story, and a a pretty good one at that.
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And so the story is, you know, we've we've talked about a
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couple concept albums. This was a a loose concept
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album. And I say loose because some of
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the songs it seems were we've were rewritten to fit the, the
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story is after they were originally recorded.
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Also rock opera because it's about Zeki Stardust and his band
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the Spiders from Mars. And so Ziggy Stardust is the
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alter ego of David Bowie. The Spiders from Mars are the
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name of his band. So the very high level of the
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storyline is that Ziggy Stardust is a bisexual alien rock star
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that comes to Earth before this impending apocalyptic disaster
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to give Earth some hope. As he comes, Ziggy attracts a
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large following of people that start to worship him as our God,
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Messiah, rock'n'roll God that's going to save the Earth from the
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apocalyptic disaster. Because of this, Ziggy's ego
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gets to his head and dies as a victim of his own fame and
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excess. So that is in three sentences
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what it's all about. I saw somewhere where Bowie said
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it was meant to be a social commentary on how society
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idolizes celebrities, you know, And so this was 72.
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Not much has changed in the years up to 2025.
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But, you know, we've talked about talked about them so very
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quickly as sentence. So 11 sentences real quick about
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each song. So five years is the first song
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talks about the impending doom of the earth.
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Great opening song to talk about the story.
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Soul Love offers some hope about the impending doom message.
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Moonage Daydream is where Ziggy actual actually introduces
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himself. Star Man is Ziggy's message of
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hope and deliverance passed on through the radio to this
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younger generation. It ain't easy has nothing to do
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with storyline and it's covers. So again, it works it it it
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works but it it really doesn't further the storyline.
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Best I can tell Lady Stardust is Ziggy meeting his disciples and
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and playing before his, you know, quote worshippers.
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Star is about Ziggy wondering what it would be like to make it
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as a rock star. Hang on to yourself is where
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Ziggy is put in front of the crowd he dreams about from the
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previous track. Ziggy Stardust is the complete
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story of the birth to death of the character and how he lets
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his ego control him. And so again, that's why the
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lyrics in that one are are kind of out there, Suffragette City
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that there is debate on how this one fits in and if it actually
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does fit in. And so I don't really want to
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comment on that one because I don't, I don't know.
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And then Rock'n'roll suicide is about the actual death of the
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superstar. And ironically, and I'll add
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this link into the show notes, there was the the final, final
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in quotes show of Ziggy Stardust.
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I want to say it was in a 1973 show where he says that Ziggy
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Stardust is retired. Hey, we are about to retire.
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I can't remember. I didn't get the actual quote,
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but and then they play the song and then they walk off stage.
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And so it was at the time was like, OK, is David Bowie like
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David Bowie just gave up music. And it was really Ziggy Stardust
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that was giving up music, obviously, because David Bowie
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came along and was still some Ziggy music that happened.
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But you know, the, the, the story isn't, I've seen quotes of
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of Bowie talking about this, where he got so into that Ziggy
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character that he almost forgot himself.
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And so like, he went, he went all in.
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And so like that storyline, whether you like it or not, you
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know, it does have some, for me, some weirdness in it.
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But yet to hear that storyline play out is, again, you know, a
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reason to go listen to the album.
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Yeah, there's the storyline. Really.
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I think the his attempt at like the social commentary was very
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clear as well. So it works in today's world
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with everything even now. So, and I mean, he's a, like I
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said, he's a household name. There's there's a reason.
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Yeah, yeah. So.
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You know, and, and it and it also does explores all kinds of
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other things within all of those messages, political issues, drug
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use, sexuality, stardom, how artificial the music industry
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was. And his his commentary was
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specifically about rock'n'roll industry.
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But and artists still write about a lot of those issues
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today. So.
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So all that was there too. I will say be prepared for some
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outdated lyrics. When looking through some of the
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lyrics, some of them seem a little outdated or very of the
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times I guess would be a better way of wording it.
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Yeah. So take take that into account.
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Yeah. And then lastly, for me at
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least, you know, you see these, you see the influences of Bowie.
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We've we've talked about David Bowie having an album on on
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Cobain's list. And then here's some other
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influences really specifically to this album and and this Ziggy
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Stardust character. So Def Leppard.
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And there's more. There's just ones that that
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maybe people can can recognize with.
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David or Sorry Def Leppard referenced Ziggy Stardust in a
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song on their Hysteria album. There was a cartoon version of
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of Ziggy Stardust in Boy George's video of Yes we can.
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Boy George is really famous for was it karma chameleon Ricky
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Gervais? So an actor now plays a Bowie
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impersonator and arrives at a business business meeting as
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Ziggy Stardust in one of his comedy specials in in 1999 in
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Watchmen. I guess that's ADC thing, ADC
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comic thing. The character of Ziggy Stardust
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shows up in full costume and Big Little Lies, the character of
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Ziggy, dresses up as Ziggy Stardust, I think for Halloween
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maybe. And so you see this album in
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referenced and the character of Ziggy Stardust referenced not
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only in music, but it also breaks over into people doing it
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in TV. So it definitely had some some
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influence moving moving forward and, and again, things like
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that. To me, it's like, OK, it's worth
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a listen. I may, yeah, I may never listen
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to it again. I may not like it, but at least
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it's worth a listen. Yeah, when you have the
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influence like that, it's always worth the list.
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Though exactly, you know, just to just to come up with your own
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thoughts about it. Yeah.
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So, Speaking of our own thoughts, you ready to give some
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ratings? Yeah.
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Let's do it, Riley. What are your ratings for Zeke
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Stardust? So my personal rating is A7.
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I like that I enjoyed quite a few of the songs.
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I would say like I liked half just like the other half, which
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is pretty good for albums all things considered.
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And then the objective rating was an 8 1/2 simply because
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there are quite a few songs like both and I both you and I
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mentioned that like you could take out and nothing would
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really change. One of them happened to be my
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favorite, but like 2 of the songs are like unclear how they
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even fit into the story. But other than that, it's, I
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mean, a beautiful story in its own little way.
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And even and even Suffragette City and and a lot of these some
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of the debate on how they fit in weren't really from Bowie
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himself. They were from others offering
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opinions and and so I don't really, you know, as far as how
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they fit. I try to keep it to what the
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artist was trying to do and and had said about it.
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So but there are some things about how Suffragette City at
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least does fit in. It ain't easy is was a cover
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when you know, so that one that one didn't.
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But my personal and again, we proved last week that least
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favorites are sometimes favorites.
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This one, my personal rating is A7 as well.
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So I I like the album. And again, it's one of those
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things where if, if, if one of these songs came on, I probably
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wouldn't skip it unless it was maybe like hang on to yourself.
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But for the most part I enjoyed listening to it, and as I
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started figuring out the storyline, it was neat to listen
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to it again a second time. My objective rating was just a
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half point higher than yours, so a nine for me.
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And again, just because of the influence that this album has
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had, the the whole glam rock thing that came out of Stiggy,
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Stiggy, Ziggy Stardust and, and just the influence that Ziggy
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Stardust still has today. So it's like, OK, yeah, I'm I'm
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going to put that one as as a nine for me.
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So, but pretty close from both of us to be right on that.
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So anything else on ratings before we get to Songs of the
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Week? Weren't we also supposed to be
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beaten bars? Oh yeah, go ahead, do that.
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I'm prepared. You told me to prepare and I
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prepared. We'll.
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Prepare all now. All right, so Brother Barber
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gave us this idea. Our podcast name has beats and
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bars in it and we briefly mentioned them, but he was
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thinking it might be fun if you include for me, your favorite
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bar and for Father Pot over there, favorite beat, because
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that's what we both specialize in over here, unprofessionally
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specialized. So my favorite lyric was from
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Rock'n'roll Suicide and you touched on it, but it's the no
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matter where or where you've seen all the knives seem to
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lacerate your brain. I have my share.
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I'll help you with the pain. You're not alone.
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It's sung beautifully. Beautifully may not be the word
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perfectly is probably more the word.
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It just hits how it's supposed to hit.
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And it's just a beautiful turning point in the song as
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well, where like it, it's this downtrodden song for a while and
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then this the later half and this lyric really bring like a
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new kind of hope of like, I'm there with you, Like we got this
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type of feel that's not as downtrodden.
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I think that would have been a very different into the song or
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into the album if he didn't ever switch and say like, you're not
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alone, Let's not be alone. You're wonderful.
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Like all of the stuff I think really solidified how great of
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an ending song it is for the album.
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But that would that was my favorite lyric from the week.
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Very good. And so I already talked about
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the the beat side of rock'n'roll suicide, so I really like that
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one, but I'm actually going to mention something ironically
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from your favorite song, the IT ain't easy.
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And again, it's a it's a cover song, but the muted verses,
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almost like you put a mute or something over the end of a
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trumpet, but it, you know, whatever, whatever the
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distortion is on his voice, there's a muted verse when he's
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singing. And it's just a simple bass drum
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with a simple, you know, simple beat.
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I'm putting that in quote because I couldn't do it.
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And then maybe some type of synthesizer keyboard that's
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playing just a simple tune throughout the chorus and then
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on the chorus or throughout the verse.
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And then on the chorus, the entire band and the guitar kicks
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in and you get this jolt of or it ain't easy as he's singing
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the lyrics and then it goes back to the, the, the, the verse.
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And so they though he does this loud, soft, loud thing that
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we've talked about over several albums and and and so you see it
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in this song and it and it really just has this back and
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forth of first to chorus loud, you know, or in this case soft
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and then loud to come in with the IT ain't easy part.
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So I really, really like that musically that I really did like
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that song too. All right, now we can move on.
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Now we can move on songs of the what's?
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Your song of the week. My song of the week and I think
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it's so I'm 2 for two now. So last week Ed Sheeran Spotify
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shuffle delivered Coldplay song right after this week, Spotify
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delivered another winner for me after I finished the album plays
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something like it the next one and it's my song of the week
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because again, it's one for me that I had to replay a couple
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times. Babe, I'm going to leave you by
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Led Zeppelin. You know, that was almost mine.
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Oh wow, did did you get it after the the shuffle?
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No, so I OK, so mine was in TV unplugged cover.
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Babe, I'm going to leave you. That's your song of the week?
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No. Oh, Oh no.
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OK. It that was going to be yours.
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Oh, I gotcha. I gotcha.
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Yes, until this. Yeah, until this one came out,
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which is fine it. It just came out.
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Yeah, I gotcha. But that that was.
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Really close. No.
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So I did. Yeah, the babe I'm.
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Going to leave you. Yeah, I'm, I'm going the
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original 1, so from the self-titled Led Zeppelin album
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in 1969. And again for me, it's it's
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musically, it's very soft and melodic opening.
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And it's this way for about the first minute to get to the first
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crescendo, falls back over to the softer side.
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And right around the two-minute mark, it jumps again and then
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seems like it's going to get quiet with this Mystic wind
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sound thing that goes on, but then kicks into a a driving
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guitar. And Robert Plant's voice finally
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does get quiet again with some clean acoustic.
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But then and, and during that clean music sound, Robert
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Plant's voice is the driving force in there instead of the
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music. And so Robert Plant, very good
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vocalist, but and then the song really has this roller coaster
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ride of soft and loud and anguish, you know, and it's it's
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singing really as if he has to leave somebody that's the name
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of the song, but doesn't really want to.
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And there's this seems to be confliction and against my
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opinion seems to be this confliction as to whether or not
31:33
he really wants to leave versus wants to stay.
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And the music to me is mimicking that roller coaster of emotions
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as it's going back and forth. So that's my song.
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Yeah, that's, that's really funny. 1969.
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Yeah, that, that was almost mine.
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That is fun. It was the original too.
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I was thinking of a different album cover and so that's why my
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head was there. It was the original that I was
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thinking too. The I mean, that song, Baby,
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baby, baby, baby, baby, baby. Great.
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Funnily enough my the other one that was almost it until this
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new song came out was Moby Dick. Oh yeah, that's a good one.
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That's really good. Shows off the drumming of.
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John that's that's one where we talk about Led Zeppelin having
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like conversations with their instruments a lot.
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That's one that they have a lot of like breaks to where like
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they're different instruments will have like back and forth
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and you feel like it's a conversation.
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My song of the week is not those, unfortunately.
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And this is not me saying that I think these songs are better.
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It's just more what I was in the mood for.
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So my song of the week is a song called Redacted by Kevin
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Walkman. Kevin Walkman has a pretty well
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known song called It's all right, but this was brand
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spankin new. It was released on Friday and
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we're recording this on Wednesday.
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So very new, which is why it it just came out at an unfortunate
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time for babe. I'm going to leave you, but it
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does my favorite thing where it mentions his most favorite song
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called It's All Right. I love it when people do that.
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We've talked about that many a times and it's just kind of it's
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it's a fun song about forgetting about someone and how good that
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can feel. And it's just a really fun song.
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I think it's really funny that the song's about forgetting
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someone and the title's redacted as if the name was redacted.
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I he's I really tend to like his music.
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It's very upbeat, very poppy, but like the fun pop, not like
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radio pop. It's just really fun music.
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So I had a lot of fun with this album or with that song, but it
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was AEP pardon the EP, So go listen to that very.
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Good. So what is it again?
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Redacted by Kevin Walkman. Kevin Walkman I hear Walkman and
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because of my age I like instantly think Sony Walkman
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with. Nope, Kevin.
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Set and and headphones like all the people from 90s will will
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probably have that same image in their head, so.
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He's a a pretty small artist, pretty meaning he has 300 1000
34:44
monthly listeners, so big but relatively small, but his it's
34:50
all right. The one that I mentioned has
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almost 30 million streams. So that's his like breakout song
34:56
kind of it's how he got put on the map.
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So if you know that song you may like it, but I liked Redacted
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very. Good.
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So that brings us to the end. So Riley, what is our next
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album? Our next album is the actual
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best album of all time. Fake news.
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It's not fake news, OK? It's not fake news.
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We're not going to talk about that until next week.
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So this week it's coming up on my birthday so I get to pick our
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favorite album of all time. It is not one of the greats of
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all time. It's not on our list anywhere.
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Most of you probably have never heard of it.
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It is Forget and not Slow Down by Reliant K Very special place
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in my heart so please be nice when listening to it.
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Very good. Thank you.
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Reliant K Say it one more time. That's a long title for me to
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remember. Forget and not slow down.
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Forget and not slow down. What year was it?
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That's a good question. Off the top here.
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Not off the top of my head, but it's very it's very quick to get
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2009. It's very easy.
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To get to, it's very easy to get to in my phone, yeah, forget and
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not slow down by Reliant K. Reliant K.
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That's our next album, so give it a lesson along with Redacted
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by Kevin Walkman, Babe, I'm Going to Leave You by Led
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Zeppelin and any other. Throwing Moby Dick in there.
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Yeah, and and listen to. So until next time, I'm Todd.
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And I'm Riley, and this has been another episode of Fire Cats.