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Credlin | 10 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program. It's a big
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Speaker 2: program here and overseas on Creenlin tonight. Let's go through
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Speaker 2: what we've got for you tonight. The shocking forlllat from
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Speaker 2: that attempted beheading of a man on the streets of
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Speaker 2: Belfast allegedly at the hands of a Sudanese migrant. Ryans
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Speaker 2: and riots and violence overnight ramifications that will be felt
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Speaker 2: across the world. I'll get to the UK for the
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Speaker 2: latest live in a moment. Plus our migration was here
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Speaker 2: in Australia. A stunning decision in the High Court today.
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Speaker 2: It's a blow for the Albanezy government. Those NZYQ foreign criminals. Well,
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Speaker 2: that saga goes on. Taxpayers could be on the hook
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Speaker 2: for millions and millions in compensation they will get even
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Speaker 2: though they refuse to be deported from Australia. This says
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Speaker 2: everything about what's wrong with the system. Chris Bowen, the
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Speaker 2: Global Climate Change President and the u end's latest unhinged
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Speaker 2: green dream, I mean it is a joke. I'll give
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Speaker 2: you that one as well, and you've got to hand
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Speaker 2: it to nimble old one Nation. Just one day after
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Speaker 2: I mentioned the phrase here on the program, the parties
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Speaker 2: launched a funding drive calling on Australians to fire the
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Speaker 2: liar Anthony Albineasy. I think there's a theme in it.
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Speaker 3: It's about basically throwing a light on what actually the
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Speaker 3: Labor Party.
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Speaker 4: Is up to.
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Speaker 2: I will stay with that because I think it's really interesting.
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Speaker 2: Political campaigning these days requires you to react fast, to
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Speaker 2: be nimble, and if you're going to have any success
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Speaker 2: to go viral. Before the days of social media, you
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Speaker 2: could just buy eyeballs by buying advertising space on a
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Speaker 2: commercial network or in a newspaper. Now, at the time,
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Speaker 2: you used a media buyer and they would advise you
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Speaker 2: how best to get your message out, where to place it,
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Speaker 2: where you would go to market if you wanted to
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Speaker 2: reach women versus or this age group over that one.
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Speaker 2: And how often you got into a person's home and
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Speaker 2: in front of them was related to how often your
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Speaker 2: advertisement was seen, the frequency of your ad or in
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Speaker 2: industry terms, we call it the tarp weight. Now twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty six, those days are gone because yes, you can
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Speaker 2: still buy ad space with networks, and every political party
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Speaker 2: still does this because it works. But that's not everything anymore.
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Speaker 2: These days, you must heavily augment your ad by with
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Speaker 2: an online strategy that relies as much on your audience
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Speaker 2: sharing your message, sharing it because they choose to do that,
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Speaker 2: rather than how much you pay as the advertiser, and
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Speaker 2: what makes them want to share your political message to
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Speaker 2: send it viral comes down to how relevant your content
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Speaker 2: is or how sticky it might be. Now, when it's
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Speaker 2: not shared in online terms, you did. When it is shared,
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Speaker 2: when it goes far and wide, you've gone viral. Most
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Speaker 2: of the time, online content is much cheaper and easier
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Speaker 2: to produce than the days of the old TV ad
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Speaker 2: with high production values and an ad agency and a
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Speaker 2: film crew and many days pulling it together. But what
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Speaker 2: makes it harder today today than before is how quickly
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Speaker 2: you need to take an idea and get it to market.
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Speaker 2: Online messaging requires an immediacy that was never there in
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Speaker 2: the past. It demands a rapid response, and by that
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Speaker 2: we're talking about hours, not days, certainly not weeks. Having
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Speaker 2: worked on election campaigns for years and now I've had
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Speaker 2: a decade in the media. When I'm not preparing for
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Speaker 2: this show, I spent a lot of my time looking
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Speaker 2: and analyzing at what various political players are doing in
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Speaker 2: the online and the old media space. I look at
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Speaker 2: what they're doing here, of course they do, but also
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Speaker 2: what's happening overseas. I watch for what goes viral and
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Speaker 2: I want to understand why it happens, which brings me
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Speaker 2: to one nation and when I think it's some of
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Speaker 2: the reasons for their recent successes. On Monday night, when
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Speaker 2: we were discussing the old style school, old school billboard ad,
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Speaker 2: you know, the one that was driving around Melbourne criticizing
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Speaker 2: the performance of the Victorian premiere and that now infamous
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Speaker 2: line ditch the witch, I got a text message from
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Speaker 2: a friend in an ad break. I have a very
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Speaker 2: clever friend who said, forget ditch the witch fire the liar.
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Speaker 2: No one can be upset about that. That's not misogynist.
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Speaker 2: I love it. That could work to send to Alan
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Speaker 2: Anderk who worked for Anthony alb and Easy.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 2: That was Monday here on this program last night with
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Speaker 2: Andrew clanell. I then said this. My viewer said to
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Speaker 2: me last night, fire the liar, Forget ditch the witch
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Speaker 2: fire the liar, which will be the clarion call at
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Speaker 2: the next election. Well, lo and behold. This was the
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Speaker 2: front page of The day Telegraph this morning, the announcement
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Speaker 2: of One Nation's Fire the Liar donation appeal, and that
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Speaker 2: was followed up very quickly quickly with this email to
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Speaker 2: their supporter base Fire the Liar. It reads now. By
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Speaker 2: lunchtime the response was overwhelming, with over half a million
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Speaker 2: already donated to the cause, and now as we go
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Speaker 2: to air it's just under nine hundred thousand, so well
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Speaker 2: on the way to meet their target of one million dollars.
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Speaker 2: Now it's worth noting a couple of things here. The first,
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Speaker 2: just how quickly One Nation took that credit line from
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Speaker 2: Monday night and turned it into a full blown online
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Speaker 2: ad campaign by Wednesday morning. In the political world, as
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Speaker 2: I said, you've got to be fast, you got to
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Speaker 2: be nimble. And it says to me that the One
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Speaker 2: Nation back end is professional and it's looking to create
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Speaker 2: opportunities from nothing. Is that was a clever hit to
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Speaker 2: go back on Labour's own donation drive built off opposition
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Speaker 2: to One Nation that they kicked off on Monday, meaning
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Speaker 2: that pauln Hanson's not just sitting there letting them beat
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Speaker 2: her up anymore. She's coming back at them at their
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Speaker 2: own game.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 2: The other thing I'd note is the byproduct of all
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Speaker 2: the new members that have signed up as a result
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Speaker 2: of this donation drive, because what that's doing, it's not
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Speaker 2: just getting people to part with their money, but it's
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Speaker 2: building a community, it's building a fraternity, and critically, it's
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Speaker 2: building momentum for One Nation. When I look at their
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Speaker 2: social media right across the board more broadly, not just Instagram,
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Speaker 2: but Facebook and Exit everywhere, they go viral in large
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Speaker 2: part because they're talking to people, not at them. There's
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Speaker 2: very little evidence of the usual safe political language either.
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Speaker 2: There's an authenticity in the vision they put to air,
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Speaker 2: particularly that of Handsome. It's not staged, and it includes
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Speaker 2: all of her language stumbles and her mistakes. Now, believe me,
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Speaker 2: they leave them in deliberately. Other politicians will cut them out.
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Speaker 2: One Nation leaves them in, and they do it because
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Speaker 2: it humanizes her. It's always done that. It shows to
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Speaker 2: her supporters that even though her popularity is grown, she's
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Speaker 2: still the anti politician she's always been. She's not become
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Speaker 2: too big for her boots. At least, that's One Nation's
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Speaker 2: carefully curated presentation think back to when One Nation first
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Speaker 2: started those satire cartoons as well, and back then they
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Speaker 2: were mocked, they were criticized. You will recall when they
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Speaker 2: released that film recently they had all these cinemas were
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Speaker 2: canceling their bookings as soon as they found out it
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Speaker 2: was a one nation event. Now I suspect today that
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Speaker 2: wouldn't happen given their eyes in the polls, which shows
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Speaker 2: what are differentans a couple of months can make in politics.
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Speaker 2: And the genius of those satire cartoons is that they
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Speaker 2: use human to say all the things. So many Australians
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Speaker 2: think that they can't say anymore, even in their own
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Speaker 2: backyard at a barbecue with friends, certainly not in their workplace,
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Speaker 2: and certainly not themselves in the online world. But by
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Speaker 2: being able to share one Nation's social media content, supporters
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Speaker 2: can push out the handsome message to show where they
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Speaker 2: stand without necessarily having to put their own neck on
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Speaker 2: the line. After all, it's a video on something like migration.
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Speaker 2: They can say, not my video, but quietly, you know
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Speaker 2: I agree with her views. When asked about all of
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Speaker 2: this today, the Deputy Liberal Leader Jane Hume had this response,
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Speaker 2: I have a donate button on my web page. If
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Speaker 2: anybody would like to donate to me, they would be
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Speaker 2: more than welcome to. Okay, that's the problem the liberals have.
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Speaker 2: That's not how it works anymore, Jane Hume. And it's
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Speaker 2: not just the liberals are flat footed here. Labour two
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Speaker 2: is behind the eight ball. For a long time the
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Speaker 2: left have been really cocky. They have thought that they
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Speaker 2: owned the online political space. But that was to misread.
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Speaker 2: The online space is belonging only to younger voters. Well
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Speaker 2: not anymore. The digital world is where almost every one
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Speaker 2: of us lives now. We go there for us for entertainment,
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Speaker 2: to shop, to bank, just to check the time, the weather.
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Speaker 2: And this means that in politics those old days are gone.
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Speaker 2: We are all every voter well and truly living in
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Speaker 2: the new paradigm. Well, we're still working it out, could
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Speaker 2: go anywhere, but certainly we are in the digital space
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Speaker 2: like never before. Now, what I can say for sure
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Speaker 2: is this is a big, big change in politics that
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Speaker 2: we have seen in this country. And what's ahead not
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Speaker 2: everyone knows. We don't know. There's AI and everything else.
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Speaker 2: I can tell you what it will be a wild ride.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to Camber now for the headlines with Truney McIntosh.
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Speaker 7: The Prime Minister has taken a swipe at Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 7: as one Nation embarks on a donation drive.
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Speaker 4: I'll lead the negativity to someone who has made a
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Speaker 4: career out of seeking to divide people.
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Speaker 7: Just twenty four hours after Pauline Hanson called Labour's donation
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Speaker 7: call out disgusting, now her party is doing the same,
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Speaker 7: calling for supporters to help fire the liar.
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Speaker 2: I want to give us a free kick in front
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Speaker 2: of the post to talk about what a terrible job
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Speaker 2: they're doing, and we'll take it.
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Speaker 8: It's just part of the theater of politics.
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Speaker 9: At the end of the day.
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Speaker 7: The Prime Minister implored Australians who want to see a
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Speaker 7: big cut to migration to think about the consequences.
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Speaker 4: If you look around this clinic here at the doctors
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Speaker 4: and nurses, take out those people who were not born
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Speaker 4: in Australia and see how you go.
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Speaker 7: And Labor is facing growing pushback to its plan to
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Speaker 7: make significant savings to the ndis the Senate Inquiry today
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Speaker 7: hearing from advocates who argue the cutbacks will leave vulnerable
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Speaker 7: Australians at risk.
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Speaker 2: We know it will leave people in unstaked situations. Not
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Speaker 2: a single witness that we've heard from in any two
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Speaker 2: days of hearing has advocated for this bill to pass.
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Speaker 7: The Health Minister is promising to listen to community feedback,
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Speaker 7: but he's urging the Senate not to stall the savings.
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Speaker 2: Yes, we want the bill passed quickly.
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Speaker 1: Yes we think this is important to get the financial
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Speaker 1: growth of the NDS back under control.
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Speaker 7: Trudy Macintosh, Sky News, Canberra.
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Speaker 2: All right, that's the Australian News. I want to go
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Speaker 2: though now to what happened overnight in Belfast. The city
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Speaker 2: is in chaos following a horrific beheading attempt allegedly committed
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Speaker 2: by Sudanese asylum seekert. Now we'll get reaction out of
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Speaker 2: the UK a little bit later in the show, but
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Speaker 2: here's an early reaction from politicians in Ireland and I
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Speaker 2: want you to listen to this. This is from the
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Speaker 2: First Minister of Northern Ireland, Shin Fains, Michelle O'Neill.
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Speaker 5: I don't know any country that is open bordered. I
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Speaker 5: believe in an immigration system that is for unmanaged and
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Speaker 5: enforceable and compassionate and human rates complainned. But that is
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Speaker 5: not the debate for today. The debate today is about
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Speaker 5: our society, abit our inclusive society.
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Speaker 2: Are welcome in society.
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Speaker 5: Our conversation today is about our thoughts are very much
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Speaker 5: with that gentleman who feigns himself as a victim of
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Speaker 5: that valient and horrific attack last night. Our thoughts today
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Speaker 5: are a bit creat and calm and our society. So
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Speaker 5: I think the message from here, from this platform is
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Speaker 5: very constant, and I have no truck with your fake news.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no truck with fake news, she calls it. We'll
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Speaker 2: joining me now my panel, senior reporter Carolyn Marcus and
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Speaker 2: senior fellow at the Mensis Research Center, Nick Cata Will Nick,
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not fake news. We have yet another
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Speaker 2: race related event in the United Kingdom.
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Speaker 1: It's right, And what an incredible transformation him Feine have
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Speaker 1: undergone since they were essentially the political wing of the IRA.
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Speaker 1: You know, in my when I was growing up in
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Speaker 1: the seventies in Britain, Belfast was renowned for horrible crimes, nasty,
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Speaker 1: brutish crimes. But this has overshadowed them all. The horrificness,
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Speaker 1: the horrific nature of this particular crime really dwarfs and
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Speaker 1: puts into perspective what we usually thought was normal violence
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Speaker 1: in Belfast back in the seventies. But the point about
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Speaker 1: this is, Peter, this is what happens when you get
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Speaker 1: soft headed people like that person who've just turned from
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Speaker 1: in him Faine thinking that it's somehow compassionate to let
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Speaker 1: people in the country. I mean, there are more than
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Speaker 1: one hundred thousand people in Britain on just waiting to
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Speaker 1: hear their refugees status application heard. It can go for
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Speaker 1: two three years. I met a guy there who's been
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Speaker 1: living in a four star airport hotel near Heathrow for
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Speaker 1: four years. Is not good for anybody, and Britain needs
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Speaker 1: really to wake up and take strong action and get
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Speaker 1: these people out of the country if they have no
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Speaker 1: claim for refugee status, as it appears most of them
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Speaker 1: do not.
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Speaker 2: Nick. I saw some commentators. I'll just go back to
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Speaker 2: the point you made there about the period of the troubles. Really,
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Speaker 2: I saw some commentators I was watching a lot of
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Speaker 2: this overnight saying that you know, there was a particular
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Speaker 2: street in Belfast where the Catholics would line up against
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Speaker 2: the Protestants, and this street last night there were images
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Speaker 2: of people out in that street, basically coming together, Irish
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Speaker 2: people coming together, and they were saying that this attack
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Speaker 2: has done what decades and decades of peace talks couldn't do.
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Speaker 2: It's united the Irish in Belfast as one population, desperate
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Speaker 2: now to try and save their culture, angry at what
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Speaker 2: they're seeing is this enormous migrant influx into their country
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Speaker 2: that's changing Ireland as it is changing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Catholic or Protestant, they feel what's happening to
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Speaker 1: in Northern Ireland as a part of the United Kingdom,
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Speaker 1: and they feel the threat to British news. I mean overall,
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Speaker 1: they're both share a sense of Britishness, even if they
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Speaker 1: have different views on other things that have caused violence
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Speaker 1: in the past. That's what's bringing people together in Britain.
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Speaker 1: This is horrific. This case, by the way, I think,
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Speaker 1: is different for many reasons from the Henry Novac murder
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Speaker 1: which happened in my hometown of Southampton, which I know
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Speaker 1: very well. But the overall sentiment is the same. We
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Speaker 1: want British people to be given the chance to be British.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't matter whether you're you're a seat Britain or what
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Speaker 1: color you are like Australia. None of that matters. We
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Speaker 1: just want you to behave as proud British citizens and
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Speaker 1: people are sick and tired of being trampled all over.
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Speaker 2: The police reports Caroline have said at this stage they
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Speaker 2: can't confirm whether it is the terror attack. Still obviously
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Speaker 2: investigations ongoing and it could be some days before we
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Speaker 2: know any more about that. The man who was allegedly
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Speaker 2: attempted to be beheaded, he's still in a very serious condition.
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Speaker 2: He'll have lifelong injuries. It is widely reported that this
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Speaker 2: individual with the knife in his hand was yelling al
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Speaker 2: akhba in both English and Arabic. And then we see
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Speaker 2: the violence on the streets, the reaction from Belfast citizens,
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Speaker 2: and then we get the glib responses from politicians. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I have to say, you know, I've said it before.
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Speaker 2: It's a tinder box in the United Kingdom, but nowhere
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Speaker 2: like it is tonight in Ireland.
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Speaker 10: I mean, setting fire to homes and vehicles is what
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Speaker 10: is happening over there is never the answer, but you
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Speaker 10: can completely empathize with the outrage and the frustration.
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Speaker 2: I mean, people have reached their limits.
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Speaker 10: In Northern Ireland. Over in the UK over what's happening,
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Speaker 10: and the response we saw from the first minister, which
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Speaker 10: was to dismiss a question, a perfectly legitimate question about
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Speaker 10: porous borders as fake news. That just shows you how
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Speaker 10: seriously authorities are taking this issue and the frustrations of people.
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Speaker 10: You know, we have the same issue here with unchecked immigration,
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Speaker 10: of course, and the same sort of response from authorities
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Speaker 10: not to confront it head on because they're afraid of
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Speaker 10: being labeled racist. What's happened in Belfast is you have
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Speaker 10: this Sudanese suspect who reportedly traveled through a number of
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Speaker 10: cities to get to Belfast, where he applied for asylum
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Speaker 10: and was granted leave to remain in the country till
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Speaker 10: twenty twenty eight. And this is how he allegedly repays
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Speaker 10: that this is the act that he allegedly carried out
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Speaker 10: to express his gratitude for having been granted refuge. So
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Speaker 10: I no wonder people are feeling absolutely frustrated and they
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Speaker 10: are taking it out in this violent way.
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Speaker 2: It's understandable, Well, a man was attacked. It's allegedly that
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Speaker 2: the Somali man did it. Nick, but we've got to
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Speaker 2: be careful for all the legal reasons, but also we
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Speaker 2: can't allow there to be or Weellian's speech creep in here.
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Speaker 2: I was watching as I flicked around the news is
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Speaker 2: last night, a whole range of outlets covering it, and
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Speaker 2: you had some that were very upfront and said it
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Speaker 2: was an attempt in beheading. Others were saying it was
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Speaker 2: knife crime, was a stabbing. Now, we all saw the
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Speaker 2: imagery with Islamic State, the very theatrical and public beheadings
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Speaker 2: of anyone they didn't agree with, staged for mass terror.
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Speaker 2: There are very different things between someone being stabbed and
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Speaker 2: someone that allegedly is beheaded or attempted to be beheaded
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Speaker 2: on the streets of London in a political move or
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Speaker 2: or a terror related move. And we're not getting straight
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Speaker 2: talk from politicians, we're not getting straight talk from I'm
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Speaker 2: in the media either.
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Speaker 1: No, No, exactly right, Peter, And yeah, I mean, look,
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Speaker 1: we don't know. We weren't there, we didn't see it
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Speaker 1: close up. We haven't seen the full story. We don't
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Speaker 1: know about this guy's background, but it certainly looked like
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Speaker 1: more than an average stabbing, if there is such a thing.
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Speaker 1: But putting all that aside, it doesn't really matter the
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Speaker 1: severity of the crime doesn't matter. I want to know
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Speaker 1: what did British authorities know about this guy? Did they
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Speaker 1: know he was dangerous? Why wasn't he in detention somewhere,
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Speaker 1: Why wasn't the out of the country. All these things
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Speaker 1: have yet to come out, Peter, and I guarantee that
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Speaker 1: when they do, they're not going to make us any
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Speaker 1: more happy or relaxed about what's happening in the UK.
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Speaker 1: You know, in the country I was born in and
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Speaker 1: grew up in and still proud of it. It's just
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Speaker 1: horrifying what is happening there. And in the end, it
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Speaker 1: just comes down to authorities that are not doing their job.
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Speaker 1: They're not prepared to do what government should do and
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Speaker 1: keep their people safe.
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Speaker 10: Carol.
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Speaker 2: I know we were going to get to this a
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Speaker 2: little bit later in the segment, but I might as
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Speaker 2: well ask you now. And given it's related to these
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Speaker 2: horrific events you've been in the court. There has been
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Speaker 2: now additional charges laid against the surviving gunman who allegedly
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Speaker 2: committed the Bondai massacre. What can you tell us?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, so, Navid Arkram's case was mentioned before the courts
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Speaker 10: today and it's been revealed that nineteen additional charges have
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Speaker 10: been laid against him, bringing the total to seventy nine
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Speaker 10: that he's facing. These charges include ten counts of shooting
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Speaker 10: at people with the intent of murder, two of causing
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Speaker 10: wounding or grievous bodily harm to a person with intent
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Speaker 10: to murder, and seven of discharging his firearm with intent
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Speaker 10: to resist or rice outside court. His lawyer, though refused
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Speaker 10: to be drawn on reports that Navid Arkrum's legal strategy
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Speaker 10: will be to blame his father for coercing him into
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Speaker 10: carrying out the worst terror attack in Australian history, and
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Speaker 10: that he has often been found crying in his cell.
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Speaker 2: Take a look.
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Speaker 10: Will his legal strategy be to say he was brainwashed
21:09
Speaker 10: by his father?
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Speaker 11: We're not entertaining any chat about that at the moment.
21:14
Speaker 11: I think it's not appropriate that we do discuss any
21:16
Speaker 11: type of strategies or things like that.
21:18
Speaker 10: When does he intend to enter a plea?
21:20
Speaker 11: There's still a still a fair way to go, There's
21:22
Speaker 11: still a brief to be served, there's still a lot
21:25
Speaker 11: more brief to be served. So until that time comes
21:27
Speaker 11: a really lined position to enter any police.
21:29
Speaker 2: Has he been found crying in his cell? I don't
21:33
Speaker 2: have any instructions in that regard, all right, Thanks Caroline
21:37
Speaker 2: for that update. Nick, the un COP president also known
21:41
Speaker 2: as our energy minister, he's not doing a particularly good job,
21:44
Speaker 2: was certainly not focused on Australia. Chris Bowen one hundred
21:47
Speaker 2: and fifty million dollars we are wasting allowing him to
21:52
Speaker 2: have this junket basically to run around the world and
21:56
Speaker 2: push his green agenda. But there is a big, knew
22:00
Speaker 2: target that he's trying to get everybody else around the
22:03
Speaker 2: world to sign up to, isn't it.
22:06
Speaker 1: I wonder if he's had time to pick up the
22:08
Speaker 1: front page of The Australian today where he was in Germany,
22:10
Speaker 1: I think because he would have seen that story which
22:13
Speaker 1: said that basically, we are running out of electricity in
22:16
Speaker 1: this country because of the demand of AI and data
22:19
Speaker 1: centers and it is threatening the stability of our grid.
22:22
Speaker 1: Now all of us knew that was going to happen.
22:25
Speaker 1: In the end of the day a EMO banked for
22:27
Speaker 1: a three hundred and twenty terra, what hours of electricity
22:30
Speaker 1: would be our total demand by twenty fifty Well what
22:33
Speaker 1: if it was bigger? What if it's twice that? As
22:35
Speaker 1: it now could very possibly be. It means you've got
22:37
Speaker 1: to sink in twice as many windmills, twice as many
22:40
Speaker 1: solar panels, twice as many batteries. This is madness. And look,
22:43
Speaker 1: I agree with with Matt Canavan and and Angus Taylor
22:47
Speaker 1: on this that really, you know, Paris agreement as such
22:50
Speaker 1: means nothing if you're saying you're not going to do
22:53
Speaker 1: zero twenty thirty. But I just think we should distance
22:56
Speaker 1: ourselves from this whole bureaucratic nonsense and just get well
23:00
Speaker 1: away from it, which is what I would be urging
23:03
Speaker 1: I think the Kurdish to.
23:04
Speaker 2: Do, Caroline. I just mentioned at the top of the
23:08
Speaker 2: show fire the liar something said on this program on
23:12
Speaker 2: Monday night and taken to market today by One Nation,
23:15
Speaker 2: and I have to say I commend how quickly they
23:19
Speaker 2: have turned that around. They're close to a million dollars
23:21
Speaker 2: in donations tonight as a result. But it's not looking
23:25
Speaker 2: good for the Prime Minister if he when he retires.
23:27
Speaker 10: Up to Copa Kavana, is it No, Because there's a
23:30
Speaker 10: campaign that's been launched there and I'm told by the
23:34
Speaker 10: organizers it's a fully grass roots, not politically no political
23:38
Speaker 10: party is funding this to put stickers on all the
23:41
Speaker 10: fifty kilometer and our speed limits signs in Copa Cabana
23:46
Speaker 10: with Albanizi's face on them and the words fifty lies
23:52
Speaker 10: and also no integrity on them. So he can't even
23:55
Speaker 10: go up to relax in his four point three million
23:57
Speaker 10: dollar coastal luxury man without being confronted with these stickers everywhere.
24:03
Speaker 10: And the organizers of this campaign tell me that they've
24:06
Speaker 10: been receiving messages on their social media account that they've
24:10
Speaker 10: set up only yesterday asking for these stickers in other towns,
24:14
Speaker 10: so you could see them popping up in suburbs all
24:17
Speaker 10: over the country. He just can't escape it, can he?
24:22
Speaker 2: Nick? Just quickly. I want to get to something. I
24:23
Speaker 2: think it's really important. We've got business obviously reeling from
24:26
Speaker 2: the impact of the budget and all the tax changes,
24:29
Speaker 2: particularly in relation to CGT. I talked last night with
24:33
Speaker 2: Brad Batten about this deal that the unions have done
24:36
Speaker 2: on the suburban rail loop in Melbourne. I mean prostate
24:39
Speaker 2: cancer screening days off, breast cancer screening days off, divorce
24:44
Speaker 2: leave all a wellness room for goodness sake, wages of
24:49
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety thousand, pushing up to four hundred
24:52
Speaker 2: thousand dollars for CFMYU and other workers. But now you've
24:56
Speaker 2: got this is what happens with these union deals. You
24:59
Speaker 2: now got to push from the Australian Services Union. They
25:02
Speaker 2: want a thirty five percent pay rise for some three
25:05
Speaker 2: hundred thousand workers. The majority are private sector workers. So
25:10
Speaker 2: this would be taxpayers money propping up union workers in
25:14
Speaker 2: private businesses. But in the end of it, at the
25:18
Speaker 2: end of the day, where does the money come from?
25:23
Speaker 1: Well, exactly, pet I mean the point is in the
25:25
Speaker 1: private sector like you and I work. You know, if
25:28
Speaker 1: you said to Paul Whittiger at the head of skuy
25:30
Speaker 1: and News, I want a salary of say two hundred
25:32
Speaker 1: thousand and you've only bringing in one hundred thousand advertising,
25:35
Speaker 1: you'd say, no, you can't do that in the private sector,
25:38
Speaker 1: you know. But in the public sector where the government's paying, oh,
25:41
Speaker 1: you can have these ambic claims. But where this one's
25:44
Speaker 1: going to end up. Of course, if it succeeds, is
25:47
Speaker 1: it's going to add to the cost of NDIS provision
25:50
Speaker 1: at the very time when we should be looking to
25:53
Speaker 1: cut it back. In fact, the government says it's cutting
25:55
Speaker 1: it back. I don't think you can take the government
25:57
Speaker 1: at its word if it bows to this kind of demand.
26:05
Speaker 9: Chnique.
26:06
Speaker 2: When inflation's running around the four percent mark, I think
26:09
Speaker 2: it's four point six, How on earth can you justify.
26:13
Speaker 1: That it's the route to economic bankruptcy Peter, And the
26:17
Speaker 1: point is I get it that these people have hard jobs.
26:19
Speaker 1: Many of them are dedicated people. They have difficulty making
26:22
Speaker 1: ends meet. But hello, like the guy who cleans my
26:25
Speaker 1: car in the car wash cafe in Hoxton Park Road,
26:27
Speaker 1: he's in the same position, but he can't grant himself
26:30
Speaker 1: a pay rise because he can only pay as much
26:32
Speaker 1: as people were willing to pay bringing their cars in.
26:35
Speaker 1: This is this has got to stop because this is
26:37
Speaker 1: this is adding to the expensive government and adding to
26:40
Speaker 1: debt and putting away any opportunity we might have to
26:45
Speaker 1: actually pull back the expense, particularly of the NDIS.
26:50
Speaker 2: I'll over there. Thank you to you both. There was
26:52
Speaker 2: a story today too, I didn't get to it in
26:54
Speaker 2: the news Rundown, but this is about counter terrorism agencies
26:58
Speaker 2: in Australia warning that young people, some as young as eleven,
27:02
Speaker 2: are being used by Iran and Russia to commit crimes
27:07
Speaker 2: terror attacks in countries like Australia. We're not immune. Of course,
27:10
Speaker 2: it's happened overseas. There's a terrific podcast series called The
27:14
Speaker 2: Rest Is Classified. I listened to it a lot. You'll
27:17
Speaker 2: find it wherever you find podcasts. But they've exposed what's
27:20
Speaker 2: happening in Britain and Europe about this exact issue, and
27:25
Speaker 2: our people here and now our agencies are warning it's
27:27
Speaker 2: in Australia as well. So have a listened to that
27:30
Speaker 2: all right, after the break, we'll get to London. We'll
27:32
Speaker 2: talk to soph Ellsworth, will get the latest on what's
27:34
Speaker 2: happening in Belfast. Welcome back. Coming up. Another blow for
27:42
Speaker 2: Tony Burke. As foreign born criminals, these are the ones
27:46
Speaker 2: let out of jail who refuse to be deported. Well,
27:49
Speaker 2: a court decision today in the High Court that they
27:51
Speaker 2: could get millions and millions of taxpayer dollars in compensation.
27:56
Speaker 2: But now and more on that fallout from the attempted
27:58
Speaker 2: beheading in Belfast, allegedly by a Sudanese migrant. Here is
28:03
Speaker 2: how the incident and the subsequent fallout has been reported
28:07
Speaker 2: in the UK.
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Speaker 6: Least, we know that he is a Sudanese migrant who
28:12
Speaker 6: traveled to Paris, flew to Dublin and then traveled by
28:16
Speaker 6: bus to February to Belfast in February twenty twenty three,
28:20
Speaker 6: where he was granted leave two remain by the Conservative government. Now,
28:24
Speaker 6: despite these specific details unique to this case, but similar
28:29
Speaker 6: to several others.
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Speaker 8: Who as I've been describing throughout the evening, as we've
28:32
Speaker 8: been seeing across the city there are pockets of violence.
28:37
Speaker 8: The heavens have opened in the last half and our
28:39
Speaker 8: really torrential rain. I think the police will be hoping
28:42
Speaker 8: that that has cleared some of those crowds who had gathered,
28:46
Speaker 8: that this has not been just one central group of
28:48
Speaker 8: a very large crowd. We've seen one or two, three
28:51
Speaker 8: hundred people gathering, many of them wearing balaclavas not to
28:54
Speaker 8: be identified, gathering at different parts of the city. We
28:58
Speaker 8: saw that bus as a say you set a lights
29:01
Speaker 8: earlier this afternoon, that was just around the corner here,
29:06
Speaker 8: all right.
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Speaker 2: It's a real powder cake moment in the United Kingdom.
29:09
Speaker 2: And where you saw that retrick from the first Minister,
29:12
Speaker 2: the Hinfe Minister a little earlier. I'll remind people, of course,
29:15
Speaker 2: at Northern Ireland is a part of the UK, so
29:18
Speaker 2: plenty of focus there on the number of migrants, sorry,
29:21
Speaker 2: coming in to the UK via England, via Britain, coming
29:26
Speaker 2: across then into Northern Ireland, in this case to Belfast,
29:29
Speaker 2: not just under Kirstarmer's Labor Party, but of course, as
29:32
Speaker 2: you heard here, that man arrived under the Conservative government.
29:37
Speaker 2: Johnathan now Our, Sky News contributor, News Corp European correspondent
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Speaker 2: Sophie Ellsworth. Well, Sophie, I said to my audience at
29:46
Speaker 2: the top of the show last night, when I read
29:48
Speaker 2: this was happening online, I flipped on the TV and
29:50
Speaker 2: I watched a broad range of UK reporting and I
29:54
Speaker 2: tell you what, depending on the channel you were watching,
29:57
Speaker 2: you got a very very different take. Now you're on
30:01
Speaker 2: the ground, you've seen the reactions today and obviously there's
30:04
Speaker 2: media and newspaper coverage this morning. Give me your sense
30:08
Speaker 2: of things.
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Speaker 12: Well, Peter, you're exactly right. There is very mixed reporting
30:15
Speaker 12: here depending on which news service you're finding out what
30:19
Speaker 12: has happened, because there's been a lot of criticism of
30:23
Speaker 12: what they call the far right over here, whipping up
30:26
Speaker 12: to vision they're saying as a result of protests after
30:29
Speaker 12: this attempted beheading. But just looking at the papers here today,
30:33
Speaker 12: Peter to give viewers a bit of an idea on
30:36
Speaker 12: the front of the Sun that says evil in his eyes,
30:40
Speaker 12: barbarism on the UK street. And then the Daily Mail
30:44
Speaker 12: has this very powerful front page today Sudanese knife attack
30:49
Speaker 12: suspect got asylum after taking backdoor to the UK. There
30:54
Speaker 12: is a lot of anger on the ground here, Peter
30:57
Speaker 12: about what is happening and how this man was able
31:00
Speaker 12: to easily get into the UK claim asylum. But interestingly,
31:06
Speaker 12: this is one that the Conservatives cannot just shy away
31:09
Speaker 12: from because it happened under their watch and the Shadow
31:14
Speaker 12: Home Secretary Chris Philp was questioned about this yesterday and
31:18
Speaker 12: he tried to shift blame Peter, But a lot of
31:20
Speaker 12: people here on the ground saying this is fault of
31:24
Speaker 12: both the Labor government and the previous Conservative government.
31:29
Speaker 2: A lot of questions so if we're not sure if
31:31
Speaker 2: he was on any watch list, it would appear that
31:34
Speaker 2: that's the case. And this attempted beheading it took me
31:38
Speaker 2: back to that horrific murder in twenty thirteen of the
31:41
Speaker 2: Army Fusalia Lee Rigby that was just outside of London,
31:46
Speaker 2: and wool Itch to Islamic State, terrorists or men identify
31:50
Speaker 2: with Islamic State at that stage they beheaded him on
31:54
Speaker 2: the streets of London as an active terror This feels
31:58
Speaker 2: a lot like that.
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Speaker 12: Well, they have said in the reporting so far that
32:03
Speaker 12: this is not a terror related incident. We know the
32:07
Speaker 12: alleged perpetrator is due to appear in court this morning
32:10
Speaker 12: local time, Peter. But as you can see from those
32:14
Speaker 12: riots last night, there was a lot of burning of
32:18
Speaker 12: There was a burning of a bus. Bins were set alight,
32:21
Speaker 12: homes were attacked. People are very very angry in the
32:25
Speaker 12: UK and this just again amplifies the issue with a
32:29
Speaker 12: legal migration and who the UK are allowing to come
32:33
Speaker 12: into this country seek asylum, get it and then carry
32:37
Speaker 12: on like this.
32:39
Speaker 2: It's widely reported, Sophie that he was yelling out a
32:43
Speaker 2: lakhbah in Arabic and English. Though I take your point.
32:47
Speaker 2: They're saying it's not a terror attack, are they clear
32:51
Speaker 2: on that or investigations.
32:52
Speaker 12: Ongoing investigations are ongoing. Of course, that is what the
32:59
Speaker 12: police are saying, Peter. But something that they do keep
33:02
Speaker 12: saying is, you know, don't whip up to vision Pauls.
33:08
Speaker 12: They're always calling for calm. People are getting a bit
33:11
Speaker 12: sick of the calling for calm messaging here when I
33:14
Speaker 12: listen to Chalkback Radio, they feel like they're not being
33:17
Speaker 12: listened to. Peter here with the issue with a legal migration.
33:21
Speaker 12: And this is why Reform UK are winning in the
33:24
Speaker 12: polls because Nigel Farrage seems to be the one who's
33:27
Speaker 12: resonating most well. Kemmy beadok I is resonating on this issue.
33:32
Speaker 12: It feels like the Labor government has dropped the ball.
33:36
Speaker 12: But the Conservatives were in office for fourteen years, so
33:38
Speaker 12: a lot of people are blaming them too for this issue.
33:43
Speaker 2: All right, just quickly, you've got a must watch BI
33:46
Speaker 2: election though on Thursday, Thursday next week. I know that
33:51
Speaker 2: this occurred obviously in Belfast. Is that going to play
33:54
Speaker 2: into this BI election? Do you think.
33:58
Speaker 3: Could do?
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Speaker 12: Peter? It may well do Kiirs Starmer hasn't been too
34:03
Speaker 12: much in the media on this attack. Of course he's
34:05
Speaker 12: condemned it, but yes, that by election is next week. Yes,
34:10
Speaker 12: I would be tipping the Andy Burnham, the Manchester mayor,
34:13
Speaker 12: will win it and then we will see a challenge
34:16
Speaker 12: for him to take on Keir Starmers. But I think
34:19
Speaker 12: Peter Keir Starmer's days are numbered within a matter of months.
34:23
Speaker 12: I don't think he'll be Prime Minister here anymore.
34:26
Speaker 2: All Right, I'll tell my viewers I'm going to head
34:29
Speaker 2: over to the UK at the end of next week
34:30
Speaker 2: and catch up with you, Sophie for a week of
34:33
Speaker 2: the Credlin Show out of London, and we'll cover this
34:35
Speaker 2: sort of story and plenty of other issues out there
34:38
Speaker 2: in United Kingdom that impact back here in Australia. I'll
34:41
Speaker 2: leave it there, thank you, Sophie. All right, after the break,
34:44
Speaker 2: the shocking housing housing, the shocking number of homes to
34:50
Speaker 2: migrant ratio in Australia. There are three migrants for every home,
34:55
Speaker 2: which exposes just how bad that big Australia policy lie
34:59
Speaker 2: has become. Plus another blow for labor in that case,
35:03
Speaker 2: the High Court case about compensation and those freed criminal
35:07
Speaker 2: detainees welcome back. Still to come words with Kel It's
35:15
Speaker 2: Wednesday first my panel, Let's bring them in. Liberal MP
35:19
Speaker 2: coming out of Queensland, Phil Thompson, it's nice warm up there.
35:22
Speaker 2: It's not warm in Victoria. Phil and head of advocacy
35:25
Speaker 2: at Women's FIGM Australia, Stephanie Bastia, and it comes to
35:28
Speaker 2: us from Adelaide. I suspect you've got my temperature, Steph.
35:31
Speaker 2: Let's go to Belfast the issues there. Of course, I
35:34
Speaker 2: want to play you something from a Finnish member of
35:37
Speaker 2: the European Parliament. This is interesting. It's about peace or
35:43
Speaker 2: whether it can even coexist between Islamic and non Islamic society.
35:49
Speaker 2: Haven't listen.
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Speaker 13: Yes, we have been told that mass migration is just
35:54
Speaker 13: a humanitarian phenomenon, something that we just must adapt to.
35:58
Speaker 13: The reality is much more strategic. Modern hybrid warfare does
36:03
Speaker 13: not always involve tanks or missiles. Sometimes the most effective
36:08
Speaker 13: weapon is the flow of people. When millions are directed
36:13
Speaker 13: towards Europe without control, the consequences are severe.
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Speaker 2: Ill feel that's a speech you gave in the European Parliament.
36:21
Speaker 2: And is I think echoing comments we've seen from JD
36:25
Speaker 2: Vance and Pete Hegsith and they've cop criticism, of course
36:28
Speaker 2: because they're coming out of the Trump administration. But is
36:31
Speaker 2: this the reality check the West needs?
36:36
Speaker 14: Well, as we've seen around the world and definitely in
36:39
Speaker 14: Belfast over the past few hours, of the past twenty
36:43
Speaker 14: four hours, people are very concerned and rightly so upset
36:48
Speaker 14: and angry. A person's tried to Assutanese refugee tried to
36:52
Speaker 14: be head someone in the street, and we saw on
36:56
Speaker 14: our shows what radical Islam can do and is violent,
37:01
Speaker 14: it is radicalized, and it is terrorism. And so I
37:05
Speaker 14: think that this law maker and others around the world,
37:10
Speaker 14: they're seeing it in their countries and they're speaking up
37:12
Speaker 14: and speaking out about it.
37:15
Speaker 2: I'll play this other comment too. This is from a
37:17
Speaker 2: friend of mine, Dan Hannah, and he's a member of
37:19
Speaker 2: the House of Law. To have a listen, I.
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Speaker 9: Mean extraordinary that we have this government that is performatively
37:26
Speaker 9: and histrionically keeping out bloggers and commentators whose opinions it
37:32
Speaker 9: doesn't like, even though they've said nothing illegal, and yet
37:35
Speaker 9: it cannot stop muggers, reapists, terrorists, murderers entering our country.
37:44
Speaker 2: He's not wrong. Staff. You've got police at Heathrow grabbing
37:46
Speaker 2: people off the plane literally because they've posted a couple
37:50
Speaker 2: of things that the police don't like. And you've got
37:52
Speaker 2: this open border culture.
37:54
Speaker 15: Absolutely, and we all remember the tragic case of Lucy
37:57
Speaker 15: Connolly who made some comments inflammatory comments that she deleted
38:02
Speaker 15: but was subsequently jailed for two and a half years.
38:05
Speaker 15: The show of force is definitely something that is just
38:09
Speaker 15: not weighted properly against what's happening here. And you know,
38:15
Speaker 15: he made some other comments about the institutions and how
38:18
Speaker 15: they've been politicized, and it's not dissimilar here in particularly
38:21
Speaker 15: Melbourne where we have carjackings and issues with machetti and
38:25
Speaker 15: in twenty twenty four the magistrates were trained, given training
38:29
Speaker 15: on how to sentence these criminals so that they didn't
38:31
Speaker 15: have their visas revoked. I think if you come to
38:33
Speaker 15: the countries like Australia and the UK and you commit crimes,
38:36
Speaker 15: you should lose your visa instantly, you.
38:38
Speaker 9: Should be deported and you shouldn't.
38:40
Speaker 15: Have got these court legislators writing our immigration policy and
38:46
Speaker 15: overturning these decisions.
38:48
Speaker 2: And Steph, I'm not saying that we haven't had rape
38:50
Speaker 2: in this country before, and I'm not saying that we
38:52
Speaker 2: haven't had knife crime, but the explosion in these things,
38:58
Speaker 2: particularly the rapes in Britain as we've seen grooming gangs,
39:01
Speaker 2: but even in Australia, particularly Melbourne, you know, machete attacks,
39:04
Speaker 2: knife prime, attempted beheadings and things like that. That's never
39:08
Speaker 2: been a feature of our culture.
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Speaker 15: Well, I think it also reflects on how we are
39:13
Speaker 15: dealing with our immigration programs. We should be seeking to
39:16
Speaker 15: bring in people proportionately in numbers of course that align
39:20
Speaker 15: with our Australian values. We are allowing people.
39:23
Speaker 9: Who come in. They are not being forced to assimilate.
39:26
Speaker 15: We are not tackling the issues that have come from
39:28
Speaker 15: perhaps the cultural backgrounds of violence and distress.
39:32
Speaker 9: We are not dealing with these issues as a whole.
39:34
Speaker 15: And that's why the Australian public and quite obviously in
39:37
Speaker 15: the United Kingdom as well, they're angry. We can see
39:39
Speaker 15: the rioters that are growing. It's not going to be
39:43
Speaker 15: dissimilar here if we don't fix this problem.
39:47
Speaker 2: Well, you're not wrong. You've got the government though, and
39:49
Speaker 2: i'll be fair to the Albanezi government here Phil They
39:52
Speaker 2: tried to deport individuals that were locked up in detention
39:55
Speaker 2: as Australia as sorry as the coalition government before them did.
39:59
Speaker 2: Both failed. There were a series of appeals to the
40:02
Speaker 2: High Court. I'm assuming taxpayer funded legal aid help them
40:06
Speaker 2: get there. And of course they're all let out. They're
40:09
Speaker 2: out in the public domain. You can't even now monitor
40:13
Speaker 2: where they are in the community. These are convicted felons, murders, rapists, pedophiles,
40:20
Speaker 2: and now they've got another appeal through the courts to
40:22
Speaker 2: the High Court and they will be liable now the
40:25
Speaker 2: taxpayer funded compensation. This could run into the many, many millions. Film.
40:33
Speaker 14: This is just unacceptable. I remember sitting in Parliament hearing
40:39
Speaker 14: about all these stories and how we had them in
40:42
Speaker 14: permanent detention. They were let out the minister at the time,
40:45
Speaker 14: I think it was Claire O'Neil and Andrew Giles. Then
40:48
Speaker 14: they couldn't find where they were, couldn't track them, no
40:52
Speaker 14: one knew what was happening. Then some of them committed
40:54
Speaker 14: serious crimes and the government everyone's pointing their fingers. Everyone
40:59
Speaker 14: will well, we work in a place where we can
41:01
Speaker 14: create law. We work in a place called Parlman House,
41:04
Speaker 14: where we can put things together. None of these criminals
41:08
Speaker 14: should be in Australia.
41:09
Speaker 3: There's in a room.
41:10
Speaker 14: I'd be putting them in the room. They would be
41:12
Speaker 14: in detention because we have to be putting Australian safety first.
41:16
Speaker 14: And this High Court decision is an absolute blow to
41:20
Speaker 14: the government. It's an absolute kicking the shin to them.
41:22
Speaker 14: But I didn't really care about beating the government up.
41:26
Speaker 14: I care about trying to keep Australian safe. Now, these criminals,
41:30
Speaker 14: they should not be on our street and we should
41:31
Speaker 14: be able to create laws to lock them up.
41:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Phil, you are fighting for veterans to get
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Speaker 2: a better deal than they got in the budget. I
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Speaker 2: know the Parliament in recent weeks has been talking about
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Speaker 2: the lack of support we're giving people in age care.
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Speaker 2: We've got people now down to one shower a week
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Speaker 2: because the government's taken away human beings from the assessment
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Speaker 2: of older Australians. We've got all of these issues and
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Speaker 2: not enough money. And yet we could be ending up
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Speaker 2: paying millions and millions of dollars to foreign criminals that
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Speaker 2: we've been trying to deport but they refuse to go
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Speaker 2: when the countries from which they came refused to take
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Speaker 2: them back.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's not good enough when the government here is
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Speaker 14: not looking after their priority, which should be Australians, which
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Speaker 14: should be older Asturlans, which should be our veterans, which
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Speaker 14: should be everyone. And now they're about to be on
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Speaker 14: the hook to somehow give compensation to rapist murderers and
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Speaker 14: pedophiles who somehow have won in court. This just cannot
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Speaker 14: be accepted. We're seeing what's happening around the world. This
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Speaker 14: government needs to really I'd recall parliament. You know, if
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Speaker 14: I was in charge for a day, got my little
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Speaker 14: magic wond, I'd recall Parliament and I'd pass laws now
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Speaker 14: that lock these people up.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Steff, we've all seen the grabs of the comedian
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Speaker 2: Dave Hughes, who I have to say is left to
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Speaker 2: century certainly admitted voting for albern Easy. But I'll tell
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Speaker 2: you what he is cutting through. I'm watching his reels.
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Speaker 2: You know, hundreds of thousands of people are sharing them.
43:06
Speaker 2: They would have labor worried, you know, campaigning. They think
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Speaker 2: they own the left, they think they own the online
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Speaker 2: media space, but they don't.
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Speaker 15: Absolutely, and he certainly hasn't lost his sense of humor.
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Speaker 15: But I'd say he is performing more citizen journalism at
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Speaker 15: the moment. There's a whole demographic that follow him that
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Speaker 15: perhaps don't trust mainstream media or don't follow mainstream media
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Speaker 15: compared to sports and comedy and other things. And I
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Speaker 15: think that the work he's doing in terms of breaking
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Speaker 15: down the issues, helping them understand it's really important so
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Speaker 15: good on him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think he's demystifying some of the
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Speaker 2: tax changes, and I think once people understand them, they're
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Speaker 2: only getting angrier. I'll leave it there. Thank you to
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Speaker 2: you both, all right, coming up the next quick break
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Speaker 2: on the other side, the wonderful Kel Richards. Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: It's Wednesday. It's Kel. But before I get to Kell,
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Speaker 2: I think I got an update for you on the
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Speaker 2: one Nation donation drive fire the liar. I think we're
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Speaker 2: at nine hundred and ninety eight thousand dollars raised in
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Speaker 2: just a day. I don't know they'll get beyond that, though.
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Speaker 2: It looks like the websites crashed. Such is the interest, right,
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in Kell, the broadcaster extraordinary. We've got some
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Speaker 2: good ones phrases, mainly tonight Kel. The first one is
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Speaker 2: from Darryl Daryl said, I used a phrase today and
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Speaker 2: then I stopped to wonder, as I know both you
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Speaker 2: and I do often, where it came from and how
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Speaker 2: it came about. The phrase he used was throw your hat.
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Speaker 3: In the ring goes back to the days of bare
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Speaker 3: knuckle boxing in Britain. First record at eighteen o five,
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Speaker 3: now at a bare knuckle match which was usually held
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Speaker 3: in the open ear. If a young man wanted to
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Speaker 3: challenge the champion and the ring, there was no point
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Speaker 3: in him calling out because the crowd was roaring. The
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Speaker 3: crowd was making a huge amount of noise, so what
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Speaker 3: he had to do was to literally throw his hat
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Speaker 3: into the ring to challenge the champion. That's where it
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Speaker 3: comes from.
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Speaker 2: Of course, that's the day when gentlemen looked like gentlemen.
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Speaker 2: They did wear a hat that were a cap or
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Speaker 2: you know, a fedora or let's say other pork pie
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Speaker 2: or something. You know, yes, yes, anyway, let's go to
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Speaker 2: one from Beverly. This is Beverly and it has a
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Speaker 2: bit of a budget theme.
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Speaker 3: Cooking the Books goes back to eighteen fifty and from
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Speaker 3: the very beginning it meant what it means now. That
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Speaker 3: is basically falsifying accounts to make the numbers look much
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Speaker 3: better than they really are. And it's a metaphorical figurative
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Speaker 3: use from the idea of taking a bunch of raw
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Speaker 3: and unedible inedible vegetables and cooking them into a palatable,
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Speaker 3: tasty dish. You take a bunch of extremely unpalatable numbers
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Speaker 3: and then you just massage them and cook them up
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Speaker 3: to make them look palatable and more attractive. That's the image.
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Speaker 3: So so remind me what year was this, eighteen fifty
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Speaker 3: so quite a long time ago.
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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, let's go to open slather. John wants to
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Speaker 2: know the origin of open slather.
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Speaker 3: Now. The sort of source word that's being used to
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Speaker 3: his slather came from America in eighteen oh nine. And
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Speaker 3: slather basically is an on a matter peak word, a
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Speaker 3: word that echoes what it's saying. It meant to slide
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Speaker 3: or slip or slop, that kind of thing. But the
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Speaker 3: total expression open slather was coined here in Australia in
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Speaker 3: nineteen nineteen. I'm moresys excited. Yes, when I discover in
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Speaker 3: Australian it's not fine, it's ours. So that's really good.
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Speaker 3: And it meant giving someone a free go basically, no limitations,
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Speaker 3: no restrictions. You can go for your life and do
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Speaker 3: whatever it is you want to do. Now, as far
46:43
Speaker 3: as I can work it out, it must have meant
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Speaker 3: that you were free to slip, slop and slide anyhow
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Speaker 3: you wanted to. It must have come from that because
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Speaker 3: it was using that American on a matter peak word.
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Speaker 3: But it's our invention. This is our expression.
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Speaker 2: All with something like oik. You know the noise of
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Speaker 2: pig makes. Would that be an on a mata.
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Speaker 3: Peer exactly, Well, it's certainly an attempt to imitate the
47:09
Speaker 3: sound that the pig makes. Splash is a good example.
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Speaker 3: When we say splash, then we're trying to imitate the
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Speaker 3: sound that the waves are making when they hit the rocks.
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Speaker 3: So anything which is echoic, they say that tries to
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Speaker 3: imitate the sound that it names. That's an onomata peak word.
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Speaker 3: An onomatter peer, I've got to say, is a lovely word.
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Speaker 3: You've got to work that into your conversation more often.
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Speaker 2: I like it too. I like it too. I think
47:32
Speaker 2: we should do a show one night we were talking
47:33
Speaker 2: about antonyms, synonyms, acronyms, all the sort of the old
47:39
Speaker 2: grammatical terms that most of us have forgotten. But it
47:41
Speaker 2: would be a good little reminder. Let's go to another one.
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Speaker 2: Peter wants to know the origin of duffer. I use
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Speaker 2: this all the time. I have no idea.
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Speaker 3: This is really interesting. It started out in the criminal world,
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Speaker 3: and then it migrated from the criminal world to the nursery.
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Speaker 3: So in the late seventeen hundreds, it was London the
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Speaker 3: thieves slang duff goods were stolen or shoddy goods, and
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Speaker 3: a duff up with someone who sold stolen goods or
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Speaker 3: shoddy goods. It of course came to Australia with convicts,
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Speaker 3: which is where all that slang came from. In Australia,
48:13
Speaker 3: we started calling people who stole cattle cattle duffers. You'll
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Speaker 3: remember from American westerns they were cattle mustlers, but here
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Speaker 3: they were cattle duffers. And it went on reading that
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Speaker 3: until the beginning of the twentieth century, and for reasons
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Speaker 3: I don't think we fully understand by the mid twentieth
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Speaker 3: century it was being applied to children. I remember Peter
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Speaker 3: as a small boy being called a silly duffer, probably because.
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Speaker 5: I often was.
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Speaker 2: Same, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. It was a softer term
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Speaker 2: by the time it was used on me or I've
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Speaker 2: used it all right, I'll leave it there. How there's
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Speaker 2: some great ones, but we'll do a bit of a
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Speaker 2: grammatical master class the next time we catch up. There
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Speaker 2: you go, is any great? I love him, love him
48:54
Speaker 2: all right? Quick break, quick break, It's Andrew Bold. I'm
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Speaker 2: off see you tomorrow.