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MTM - Interview with Dr.Brian Hooker · More Than Medicine

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  SPEAKER_01: More than medicine.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is more than enough for the culture and physician.
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  SPEAKER_01: So listen because the doctor is dead.
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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to More Than Medicine.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm your host, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_02: Robert Jackson, bringing to you biblical insights and stories from the country doctor's rusty, dusty scrapbook.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm privileged once again today to have Dr.
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  SPEAKER_02: Brian Hooker as my guest.
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  SPEAKER_02: He is with Children's Health Defense, and he's all the way in California, and he's calling in today.
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  SPEAKER_02: Dr.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hooker, welcome to More Than Medicine.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, thank you so much, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_03: Jackson.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's uh it's a privilege to be back.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um I I enjoyed our conversation so much.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's always great to talk to uh just uh such a uh such a caring, wonderful individual and a brother as well.
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  SPEAKER_03: So thank you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, thank you so kindly.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you, sir.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now tell tell my listeners a little bit about yourself and about your past and about your family so they'll kind of have a connection to to who you are.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um I am a PhD in biochemical engineering.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um I have been uh in and around the biotechnology industry and biotechnology research for about 36 years.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um and something happened in my family.
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  SPEAKER_03: My son was vaccine injured in 1999.
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  SPEAKER_03: He was born in 1998, and he sustained a very severe injury and then regressed into autism very, very quickly after uh receiving his 15-month vaccines, was diagnosed with autism at 18 months.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, he's now 28 years of age.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I've devoted um probably a significant portion, growing to almost all of my research, to vaccines, vaccine adverse events, vaccine safety.
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  SPEAKER_03: And part of it really was just trying to understand what originally happened to my son.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, I currently am the chief scientific officer for children's health defense, and which allows me, uh, God's been so good, to give me an outlet, a place where I can do my research, I can uh understand better vaccine adverse events, understand the combination between vaccines and the chronic disease epidemic, especially in children in the United States, and also uh spread that knowledge and advocate to make sure that we can give the best health to our children born now, born today, and then also to uh be able to uh help the those that have been injured, those that there's a lot of quote unquote collateral damage uh because of the war on infectious disease and a very, very bloated vaccination schedule.
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  SPEAKER_03: So uh my job just affords me the opportunity to really do things that God has put on my heart to help can and even help my son.
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  SPEAKER_02: I hear you, I hear you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, you know, I was I was talking on one of my podcasts recently about you know, if I if I had to write a book, another book right now, I would entitle it The True Confessions of a Once Blind Family Doctor because before COVID I was truly blind to the effects of m mainly pediatric vaccines.
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  SPEAKER_02: And and COVID tore the the blinders off my eyes.
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  SPEAKER_02: I I realized that the CDC and the FDA were not speaking the truth about the COVID vaccine.
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  SPEAKER_02: I I was seeing the danger and the damage that it was inflicting on my patients right in front of my very own eyes.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the things that they were saying were were patently false.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it made me begin to um question the things that I'd been told throughout my medical career about other vaccines.
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  SPEAKER_02: And and in my research uh I began to read other books written by other doctors about pediatric vaccines, and I began to realize that there were things that I'd been taught my whole medical career about pediatric vaccines that was also patently false.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so t talk to us a little bit, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hooker, talk to us about pediatric vaccines and and specifically I want to know about autism and what what pediatric b the connection between pediatric vaccines and autism and not just in your own personal experience in your own child, but generally in the pediatric population.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I'm so glad you asked me that question.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, there's so many vaccines right now on the infant-child vaccination schedule when children are participating in the CDC vaccination schedule before the rollback of about six different types of vaccines by Secretary Kennedy.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you know, unfortunately, that rollback has been stayed and suspended right now.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I and I think that that's abysmal and am working very, very hard to support the things that Secretary Kennedy is doing.
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  SPEAKER_03: But looking at the first year of life, children are receiving um upwards to 30 different needle sticks in that first year of life, in the most vulnerable developmental period.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, there's a developmental window that reaches from prenatal all the way to three years of age, you know, that are so crucial for neurodevelopment.
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  SPEAKER_03: And at the at birth, children, if they're following the recommended schedule now, they get the hepatitis B vaccine and an RSV monoclonal antibody therapeutic uh that's literally, I believe it's 150 milligrams of monoclonal antibody for a very, very underdeveloped immune system.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and just that, I mean, the uh the preponderance of evidence shows that oxidative stress through heavy metals like aluminum that's in the hepatitis B shot, through live viruses, uh, through immune dysregulation, all of those play a role in causing autism.
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  SPEAKER_03: And when you look at the vaccination schedule, birth, two months, then they receive upwards to seven different vaccines, four months, six months, again, six or seven different vaccines given at the same time.
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  SPEAKER_03: Dr.
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  SPEAKER_03: Jackson, we've run out of limbs.
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  SPEAKER_03: We don't have enough limbs in the body to put an individual vaccine on.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, it it's it's absolutely preposterous.
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  SPEAKER_03: And each one of those events, each one of those, and and in fact, you know, in my experience and talking to parents and doing research, a lot of parents will say, okay, well, we'll just spread them out.
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  SPEAKER_03: One shot can push your child over the edge.
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  SPEAKER_03: One it just one vaccine.
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  SPEAKER_03: I've heard it.
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  SPEAKER_03: My very, very good friend and colleague, uh Polly Tommy, who runs is the director producer for CHD television, uh TV, is her son received the MMR vaccine alone that day.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And he regressed into autism.
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  SPEAKER_03: So there's such an overwhelming amount of oxidative stress in children who are set up there, you know, not every child is going to react that way.
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  SPEAKER_03: Otherwise, we would have 100% autistic children that were following the vaccination schedule.
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  SPEAKER_03: But these children have a genetic susceptibility, they produce less reduced glutathione, uh, they are deficient.
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  SPEAKER_03: My son is is uh one of one of the genes, uh glutathione as transferase.
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  SPEAKER_03: He's he's null in some of the alleles for that.
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  SPEAKER_03: He means that he's missing the gene.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so that sets him up.
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  SPEAKER_03: He cannot detoxify all of that oxidative stress.
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  SPEAKER_03: That oxidative stress can very, very well pass to the brain.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, the blood blade blood brain barrier uh in these developing neonates, you know, postnatal period up to toddlers, uh is more fluid.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then to add insult to injury, uh, many, if not most of the vaccines have detergents like polysorbate 80 that hasten the blood brain barrier to be opened.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, they will cause pores directly in the blood-brain barrier.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so when this happens, it's like an atomic bomb goes off in these little uh developing systems.
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  SPEAKER_03: So you get an issue with gut dysbiosis uh that leaks into the bloodstream that causes neuroinflammation.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, neuroinflammation is has already happened at that particular point in time uh because vaccine components can make it directly into the brain, specifically aluminum.
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  SPEAKER_03: We know uh these are these are not just soluble aluminum, they're alumina nanoparticles.
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  SPEAKER_03: They're alum, uh essentially nanoparticles, they're picked up by macrophages, which are you know, housekeeping, cleaning sort of the first-line defense of the immune system.
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  SPEAKER_03: These macrophages then can migrate directly back to the lymph nodes, and then they can get into the brain.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's been shown, you know, we see this happening in animal models, and we see frank brain damage in these children, a brain uh cell type called astrocytes, that are damaged when you look at autistic cadavers.
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  SPEAKER_03: 65% of autistic cadavers have this uh characteristic uh death of astrocytes in their brains.
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  SPEAKER_03: It is brain damage, it causes uh scarring and it causes what's called uh glial scars.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so we know that uh we've we've made the connection between vaccines and vaccine components and autism.
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  SPEAKER_03: So you you know, you sit back, I've watched the vaccination schedule grow even from when my child was getting vaccinated.
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  SPEAKER_03: I I believe that he might have gotten 12 to 16 needle sticks in his first year of life.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh now we're up to 30.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, it needs to stop.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it needs to stop.
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  SPEAKER_02: When I was in medical school, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hooker, we only gave six or seven injections to children in that age bracket.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we didn't even talk about autism when I was in medical school in 1981.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, 1979 to 81 had time time frame.
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  SPEAKER_02: Autism was not even discussed because one in 10,000 children had autism in the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties.
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  SPEAKER_02: But now children are receiving upwards of seventy-six uh vaccines by the time they're sixteen years of age, and va autism is one in thirty-four.
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  SPEAKER_02: What has changed in those forty-five years?
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's the number of vaccines.
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  SPEAKER_02: And and of course there may be some element of the t of the amount of uh toxins that are in our foods, but I think it's primarily the vaccine schedule.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's the number of vaccines that our children are getting that assaults their immune system and their developing neurologic system that's contributing to autism.
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  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, it and that's very astute.
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  SPEAKER_03: Most practitioners dismiss that and they repeat the mantra.
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  SPEAKER_03: Vaccines are safe and effective.
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  SPEAKER_03: But when you look behind the veneer, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_03: Jackson, these these vaccines have never been tested in combination.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's never been an adequate clinical trial ever for the childhood vaccination schedule versus unvaccinated children.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, even the Institute of Medicine, the national now called the National Academy of Medicine, stated directly in a 2013 report that the vaccination schedule has never been appropriately studied uh for neurological for any type of outcome, that there's a dearth, there's a paucity of studies on the effects of the vaccination schedule versus unvaccinated children.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I had a woman come into my office, oh, I don't know, 10 years before COVID, and she was a doctoral student at North Carolina State University, and she knew that I was uh a doctor who did not uh push my patients into vaccines.
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  SPEAKER_02: I I was given pediatric vaccines, but if somebody declined, I didn't browbeat them into getting vaccines.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she came in as a new patient, she had children, and she was interviewing me like sometimes young mothers do, and she had a long list of questions that she was asking me as as she interviewed me, and and one of the questions she asked me was, she said, Did you know, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_02: Jackson, that there's never been a placebo controlled trial of pediatric vaccines?
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  SPEAKER_02: And I looked at her and and I'd never heard that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I never learned that in medical school, never heard that since medical school.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I looked at her and I said, Ma'am, I I've never heard anything like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she said, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_02: Jackson, you should know this.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then she went on and asked me a bunch of other questions about pediatric vaccines that I had never heard.
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  SPEAKER_02: And and to be honest, I thought she was a little bit wacko.
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  SPEAKER_02: But it turns out thirteen, fourteen years later, that when COVID took the blinders off my eyes, I realized that that lady was way ahead of me.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she had learned things that I should have known, but I didn't know until COVID took the blinders off of my eyes about how non-safe, non-effective the pediatric vaccine schedule was.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, she never came back to see me and she did not bring her children to see me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Even though I didn't push vaccines on my patients, she decided that I was not a safe doctor.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she never brought her children to see me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, it I I do want to make a point about that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um the the practitioners are being lied to.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And the the the root of the problem goes so much further than that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um I do not hold my uh the practitioner that vaccinated my son um to the standard that I would hold the pharmaceutical industry, the FDA, the CDC.
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  SPEAKER_03: I believe that they were lied to.
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  SPEAKER_03: I wish that they would have done their job better and would have understood because my son got three vaccines when he had an ear infection.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I do believe that the nurse practitioner that said that that would be okay was wrong.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, when when he received his 15 month vaccines.
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  SPEAKER_03: But but I think that the root of it is is is so much worse, is so much more insidious.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, I'm not, I don't want to give all practitioners a pass.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, but I but I do, you know, I I applied practitioners like you that you you figure things out, you learn and you change.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you gotta be willing to change.
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  SPEAKER_02: And and you know, most physicians that I talk to about this, they're fearful.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you know, there's a lot of peer pressure amongst physicians, and they're unwilling to make a change once they know the information, uh because of a multitude of reasons, but they're very fearful and and cowardly, in my opinion.
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  SPEAKER_02: That you know, once you know the correct information, you should be willing to learn and should be willing to make a change for the benefit of your patients.
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  SPEAKER_02: But many of my physician friends aren't willing to do that.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're their their herd mentality drives them to continue doing what they've always done.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's it's very difficult and and unfortunately, there's persecution.
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  SPEAKER_03: There there is a significant level of persecution.
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  SPEAKER_03: And the first practitioner that we encountered that would actually have a frank discussion with us about my son's autism and vaccines was when my son was two years old.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and he's a hero in in our lives.
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  SPEAKER_03: His name is Dr.
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  SPEAKER_03: Stephen Smith.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, he's uh hasn't retired yet.
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  SPEAKER_03: I believe that he treats adults, but the persecution that he endured.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah and and before I go into that, I want to say in our in our we saw him when my son was two years old on his second birthday.
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  SPEAKER_03: And one of the first things that he said to us is no vaccines ever again.
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  SPEAKER_02: Ever again.
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  SPEAKER_03: Do not vaccinate this child.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes, his system just cannot handle it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Please do not vaccinate this child.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'll never forget that.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think that he saved my son's life because I don't know what would have happened if we would have continued to vaccinate my son.
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  SPEAKER_03: And but yet he has been brought before, dragged before the medical board over and over again in the state of Washington to the point where you know he can no longer practice with children.
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  SPEAKER_03: He has to practice with patients that are 18 years and above.
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  SPEAKER_03: But the gift that he gave was to my two-year-old son.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I understand.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, give us some of the stats about vaccines and autism.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure you probably got some squirreled away in your brain.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um the issue uh partially is uh the fact that children will regress after receiving vaccines.
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  SPEAKER_03: And there's so much um uh uh fiction in sort of the autism research world that says that the children are autistic in in utero and they do not uh regress or that the regression is inconsequential, you know.
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  SPEAKER_03: So the big myth right now is that it's the second trimester where children become autistic.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, there was a study that came out of uh an illustrious autism research institution called the MIND Institute.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's at University of California in Davis.
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  SPEAKER_03: And the MIND Institute found that of uh observational studies that they did on children from birth through their autism diagnoses, 83% of them regressed.
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  SPEAKER_03: 83% were on a normal or near normal developmental trajectory.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then at some point in life, usually between 15 months of life to about three years of life, then they experienced a regression.
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  SPEAKER_03: That was based on parental account, that was based on practitioner account, and primarily it was the practitioner accounts that they relied upon, and they had the highest numbers of people observing, you know, from the typical signs, symptoms of autism, observing a normal developmental uh trajectory and then going through regression.
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  SPEAKER_03: So we know that something happened, something happened in these children.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, we also know that about 30 to 50 percent of all autistic children have what's called uh mitochondrial dysfunction.
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  SPEAKER_03: So they have some parameter within those subcellular components, mitochondria, mitochondria are the energy production factories of the cell.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's where the cell gets its ATP.
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  SPEAKER_03: So we know that 30 to 50 to 50 percent of them have some type of underlying uh mitochondrial deficiency, and that the chances of having a autistic episode after a mitochondrial dysfunction are much, much higher because the mitochondria react to aluminum nanoparticles, they react to live viruses, they react to um other components in vaccines and are very, very sensitive to any type of toxins and contamination.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so that really hastens autism and autistic regression.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh mitochondrial dysfunction is seen very, very rarely in neurotypical kids.
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  SPEAKER_03: Very, very rarely.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, less than 1% of neurotypical kids have the characteristic markers of mitochondrial kids.
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  SPEAKER_03: Mitochondrial dysfunction that you see in upwards to 50% of all autistic children.
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  SPEAKER_03: So it's a setup.
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  SPEAKER_03: It really is absolutely a setup.
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  SPEAKER_03: Now, does all autism come from vaccines?
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  SPEAKER_03: No, not really.
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  SPEAKER_03: Other environmental insults, we are awash in a soup of toxins in 1996.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's when the first GMOs were introduced for human consumption and entered into the sort of the human food chain.
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  SPEAKER_03: They're laden with a pesticide, excuse me, a herbicide called Roundup or glyphosate.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I believe that glyphosate can also play a strong role in causing autism.
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  SPEAKER_03: And on top of that, the use of children's and baby Tylenol skyrocketed in the early 1990s because of the scare of baby aspirin and the rice syndrome.
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  SPEAKER_03: And we know that using Tylenol, which would I was told by the practitioner to when my son was fevering, if my son had any type of discomfort after a vaccine, give him Tylenol, give him Tylenol, give him Tylenol.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so that has never been tested appropriately for neurotoxicity, and especially neurotoxicity in infants.
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  SPEAKER_03: All of the studies that declare Tylenol safe are based on liver and kidney function and liver and kidney toxicity.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so we know that Tylenol is a neurotoxin.
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  SPEAKER_03: So there are other components.
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  SPEAKER_03: And to me, I have to say, the one-two punch that that pushed my son over the edge was it in his 15-month vaccines, he was fevering so severely that that was the first time that we treated him with baby Tylenol.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so I hear that over and over again.
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  SPEAKER_03: I do not think that that's a coincidence.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_03: I have studied the research of Dr.
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  SPEAKER_03: William Parker at the University of North Carolina.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_03: He has done amazing work regarding uh the connection between acetaminophen and autism.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so I think that that, you know, that the etiology and the causation of autism, it can just be vaccination.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_03: But really the one two punch that I've seen over and over again is vaccination followed by treatment with baby Tylenol.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: Well, talk to me a little bit about twin studies.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_02: I I've read some about twin studies and autism, and some of that is is fascinating.
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  SPEAKER_03: The um identical twins do not get autism at the same percentage.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_03: So you can look at a twin family and the concordance of identical twins.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_03: So they they should be genetic, genetically identical, and they are genetically identical.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_03: But the concordance of autism, you know, if one if one twin is autistic, then the other chances of the other twin being autistic are not 100%.
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  SPEAKER_03: They're they're actually 60 to 90 percent.
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  SPEAKER_03: So if it was truly a genetic disorder, if there wasn't some type of trigger or some type of component, then identical twins would both get autism.
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  SPEAKER_03: The other thing that we see in identical twins that do have autism is that typically they present very different from each other.
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  SPEAKER_03: One will be lower functioning, the other will be higher functioning.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um in the case of uh I have identical twin nieces that are autistic uh on my wife's side of the family.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh there is a genetic component.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_03: There, there is, there is no doubt there's a genetic component.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_03: People would look at my family uh and you know, three uh cousins in that whole cluster in that family that have autism and say, oh, it's genetic.
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  SPEAKER_03: No, no, they all present very, very differently.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_03: The identical twins of my nieces present very, very differently from each other.
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  SPEAKER_03: It is not the same etiology.
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  SPEAKER_03: It is it the the variety and the severity of autism is very different.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_02: Well now, does vaccines play a poll a role in twin autism?
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_03: Vaccines do play a role in identical or fraternal twin autism.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, the study that I would love to do, the study that needs to be done is to have identical twins vaccinate one and not vaccinate the other one.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um you know, they're the typically with identical twins, they're getting an identical vaccination schedule.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_03: But every time I see a case study where there's variability between the vaccination schedule, either one twin is autistic and the other one isn't, or they have a different presentation of severity.
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  SPEAKER_02: Very interested.
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  SPEAKER_02: Very, very interested.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, our time is running out, and I know you have another meeting to go to.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have any concluding remarks that you'd like to make about this whole issue of vaccines and autism?
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I believe that following the vaccination schedule is dangerous.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_03: And I I would say that with a proviso that in my research, I've given vaccines every benefit of the doubt that I could possibly give them.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_03: If anything, you know, I've been doing statistics and epidemiology around vaccine injury and specifically autism since 2001.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_03: If anything, we always err on the side of vaccines.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_03: But vaccines are not safe and effective, and they're based on a paradigm that is if they haven't been, if if they have not uh done research in a particular area, then vaccines are safe in that area.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_03: So they're not safe.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_03: Um and and the the the the absence of a study, you know, the fact that they haven't studied appropriately autism, ticks, ADHD, other neurological presentations, um, other autoimmune presentations, then they say, oh, that doesn't exist.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_03: But you know, that is far from the truth.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_03: Vaccination schedule should be the most studied thing on the earth because everybody is participating in it if they follow the government recommendations.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_03: But what I find is that there are holes in the official studies, the studies that come out of the CDC of the vaccination schedule, especially and autism.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_03: They've only studied one vaccine, that's the MMR vaccine, and they've studied one component that is mercury in vaccines that's only in the flu shot left, and then suddenly they've declared that they don't cause autism.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, that is preposterous.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_03: When you look at independent studies, you see absolutely the opposite.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that should give everyone pause when they consider giving their precious, precious little child, their little newborns, vaccines.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_02: And they should really, really think hard about it.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_02: That's my personal conviction.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_02: And of course I've told all of my ch children they should very, very, very carefully consider not giving vaccines to the grandchildren.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_02: Well, listen, this is more than medicine.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_02: You're listening to my guest, Dr.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_02: Brian Hooker with Children's Health Defense.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_02: He is a fountain of information.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_02: And Dr.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_02: Hooker, I hope you'll come back and be with us again at another time.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_02: Would that be possible?
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_03: It would not only be possible, it would be a pleasure and an honor, Dr.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_03: Jackson.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_03: I always love talking to you.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I thank you, sir.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_02: I thank you, sir.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_02: You're an excellent guest, and like I said, a fountain of information.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_02: All right, this is More Than Medicine.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_02: I'm your host, Dr.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_02: Robert Jackson.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, hope you'll come back and be with us again next week.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_02: Remember, Jesus loves you and your doctor loves you, and I pray that the Lord will bless you.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: Real good.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for listening.