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Star Wars Visions Presents The Ninth Jedi Ep. 5-8 Review CCC · Star Wars Alliance

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  Speaker 1: The Force will be with you always.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome back to another episode of Star Wars Alliance.
• 0:24
  Speaker 2: Of course, I'm your host, Clay and with me like always.
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  Speaker 2: And somebody who's not always here all the time is
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  Speaker 2: Katie and Adrian. Guys, how are y'all doing today? How?
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  Speaker 1: How's how's everybody? How's everything been going? I hear Mara
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  Speaker 1: going miles a minute over there.
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  Speaker 3: Hotty training is not fun, it's not And she needed
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  Speaker 3: Benadryl because apparently the girl is a large to mosquito bites.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, it's still somehow going a mile a minute. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: And she's had been a drolder system now for three
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  Speaker 3: hours and never once dropped off.
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  Speaker 2: No. We we have hit the stage where Amberlin is
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  Speaker 2: refusing to take a nap, so we trick her into saying, hey,
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  Speaker 2: let's go for a ride, and like we drive a
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  Speaker 2: little bit on the highway and then she's out, so
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  Speaker 2: and then we have to just like take an extra
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  Speaker 2: long drive to get back home. And so it's actually
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  Speaker 2: just like a twenty minute nap. But at least for
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  Speaker 2: those twenty minutes there's some piece. Yeah, it was so
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  Speaker 2: funny because Amberlin has been going through a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of uh. Some say like twos and three are like
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  Speaker 2: the hardest ages to go through when it comes to toddlers.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember what she was saying to Abby, but Katie,
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  Speaker 2: I've told you this plenty of times. My daughter is
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  Speaker 2: three going on thirty, and she what was it today?
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  Speaker 2: She kind of speaks her own language sometimes.
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  Speaker 3: Don't we all though?
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  Speaker 2: True, true, but like she will say things with such
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  Speaker 2: confidence and so matter of the fact, And then I
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  Speaker 2: simply ask her, wait what because again.
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  Speaker 1: Completely two different levels here, And.
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  Speaker 2: She looks at me with the wrath of a thousand sons, like,
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  Speaker 2: why didn't you hear me the first time?
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  Speaker 3: Dad?
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  Speaker 1: You have now ruined by day.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go upstairs and tell on you. And then
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  Speaker 2: she tells Abby in pure English like something completely different.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, Hey, hold hold on, hold on, no, no, no, no, wait,
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  Speaker 2: that's not what you said downstairs. It's it's it's it's
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  Speaker 2: got me into a little bit of a pickle this week,
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  Speaker 2: and it's it's fun and terrified she's lying.
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  Speaker 1: She learned how to lie. That'll be fun for you.
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  Speaker 2: Oh oh man, I guess like the one other thing
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  Speaker 2: that has been kind of fun. Is recently, my my
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  Speaker 2: parents and my little sister went to kan Koon and
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  Speaker 2: so we had the house to ourselves, but we had
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  Speaker 2: to take care of their dog, who is a escape
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  Speaker 2: artist for anybody who knows that terminology for who have dogs.
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  Speaker 1: He likes to run away.
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  Speaker 2: And we live in a city that has domesticated.
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  Speaker 1: Wild deer just everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they do not like him. So it has
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  Speaker 2: been a very interesting few days trying to make sure
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  Speaker 2: that the deer do not trample over this small little
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  Speaker 2: YORKI So, yeah, that that has been my week. But Adrian,
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  Speaker 2: what about you? How you how you how you been
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  Speaker 2: this this past week?
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  Speaker 1: Uh? God, too bad. It's been very chill. I don't
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  Speaker 1: really have many updates. Very very chill, very chill.
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  Speaker 2: I will see, I will it is.
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  Speaker 1: It is good. I will say.
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  Speaker 2: You genuinely piqued my interest for episodes five through eight
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  Speaker 2: when you sent me that text on Instagram. Uh, because
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you have the time to actually
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  Speaker 2: listen to our episode last week.
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  Speaker 1: I did not. I did not, which is totally fine.
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  Speaker 1: I had said personally that.
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  Speaker 2: If somebody was to look at this series and only
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  Speaker 2: had episodes one through four to judge it. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like it would not be fair because the juice does
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  Speaker 2: not happen until episode five, Like that is when things
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  Speaker 2: really start to hit the fan and like things really
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  Speaker 2: start to ramp up. So I'm really excited to talk
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  Speaker 2: about episodes four through eight, I mean five through eight,
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  Speaker 2: but really quickly before we do that, we do have
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  Speaker 2: a couple well, we have one big news topic and
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  Speaker 2: then Adrian, I do want to get your like just
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  Speaker 2: quick thoughts on episodes one through four after that, So, Katie,
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  Speaker 2: I sent you this screenshot of an announcement.
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  Speaker 1: That was literally I think yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Marvel is producing a Marvel and Star Wars cross over
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  Speaker 2: comic written by Kevin Smith and drawn by David Marquees.
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  Speaker 2: The last thing I ever read from.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Smith was the Kevin Smith or.
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  Speaker 2: The It was the Jay and Silent Bob crossover with Archie.
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  Speaker 2: That was I believe last year it was released. I
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  Speaker 2: think Kevin Smith is a beautiful, beautiful man when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to the fandom of just be nerdy. His writing
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  Speaker 2: can be hit and miss for people, but I think
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  Speaker 2: his heart is always in it, and so that's why
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  Speaker 2: I really enjoy his stories. David Marquez is one of
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  Speaker 2: my favorite artists and I even have some test prints
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  Speaker 2: from him that I was able to purchase off of
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  Speaker 2: his website back in like twenty twenty one from his
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  Speaker 2: Superman Batman run. So I love his art absolutely amazing.
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  Speaker 2: There is going to be a connecting cover for this series,
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  Speaker 2: which I am a huge sucker for. It's one of
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  Speaker 2: the immigy things in comics that I actually collect and
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  Speaker 2: I can actually show that.
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  Speaker 1: Right here. Let's see here disconnecting cover here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, as all the villains on one logan Wolverine.
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  Speaker 1: Front and center.
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  Speaker 2: We have Captain America Luke Skywalker, then we have the
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  Speaker 2: film Fatale with Black Widow and Leah, and then we
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  Speaker 2: have Old Ben with Deadpool and Hawkeye on the last cover.
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  Speaker 3: Ben with Deadpool is a choice.
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  Speaker 1: It is a choice. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not entirely sure, Like I would really love to
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  Speaker 2: hear David David's like reasoning behind it, or if it
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  Speaker 2: was like asked like, hey, I need this character to
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  Speaker 2: be with this character and this character to be with
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  Speaker 2: this character on these covers. But either way, I think
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  Speaker 2: it's very fun, very cool. Katie uh initial thoughts on
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  Speaker 2: this on this announcement.
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  Speaker 3: I've never actually read a Kevin Smith comic. I've just
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  Speaker 3: seen like his original uh Jay and Silent Bob stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So, but I do agree with you that I know
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  Speaker 3: he's got good heart, uh with what he's doing. So
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  Speaker 3: I'll be interested to see. I know, like I've had
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  Speaker 3: issues like I because I've liked some of what Jay
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  Speaker 3: and Silent Bob and like all the films in that niche. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there's some things that are just a little too weird
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  Speaker 3: for me. But like I really enjoyed Googleheim's Arrow for instance,
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  Speaker 3: but then I had not enjoyed anything that he's put
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  Speaker 3: out in a comic, so for Star Wars. So I'll
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  Speaker 3: just be interested to see if like that trend continues.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's funny that you say that, because like famously
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Smith like put Green Arrow back on the map
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to like DC runs, Uh did he?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? So uh, there there is a famous story.
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: Immediately after or is it after or during like the
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  Speaker 2: death of Green Arrow way back like early early nineties stuff,
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  Speaker 2: and people loved it. It's kind of what like brought
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  Speaker 2: sales back to Green Arrow. I've read it, I really
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  Speaker 2: enjoyed it. I think that again, like some of his
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: dialogue is a little wonky, a little silly sometimes, but
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  Speaker 2: it's just who Kevin Smith is. Famously a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people don't like how he writes Batman sometimes because I
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  Speaker 2: think canonically he made Batman pee his pants in one comic.
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  Speaker 1: Out of like pure fear or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: And then I actually read if you look at Detective
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  Speaker 2: Comics one thousand, which was an anthology story with many
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  Speaker 2: different writers and artists, one of the very first stories
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  Speaker 2: is a Kevin Smith story, and it's like almost all.
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  Speaker 1: Like nonverbal. It's like a silent comic that Kevin Smith wrote.
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  Speaker 2: And then you like you just see the life of
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  Speaker 2: Bruce Wayne and Batman, and that was quite possibly one
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  Speaker 2: of the best comics I've ever seen Kevin Smith write.
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  Speaker 2: So if you want to see like like visual storytelling
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  Speaker 2: from Kevin Smith, definitely go check Detective Comics one thousand.
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  Speaker 2: That kind of put me back in the ring of
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  Speaker 2: like man, Kevin Smith is amazing writer. Yeah, and then
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  Speaker 2: if you just want silliness, go ahead and go check
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  Speaker 2: out Jay and Silent Bob meet.
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  Speaker 1: That was really really fun.
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  Speaker 3: Clay, we have somebody in the chat?
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  Speaker 1: Uh Yeah, Guy V E. E J eight.
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  Speaker 2: This is Adrian. Adrian is a really good friend of
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  Speaker 2: the stream of the of the podcast, and he has
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  Speaker 2: been here several times. He wanted to join us on
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  Speaker 2: our conversation of UH the Ninth Jedi UH. And so
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  Speaker 2: he is day Adrian, what about you? What is your thoughts?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I love Kevin Smith. I think he's great love.
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  Speaker 4: I even love this stuff that he does, like with
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  Speaker 4: his daughter, like the Horror Week he does with his daughter.
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  Speaker 4: Great Kevin's is awesome. I don't know who's asking for this.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's so funny because this is I didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to ask.
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  Speaker 1: Well. I pulled up I pulled up the Marvel I
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  Speaker 1: pulled up the Marvel interview.
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  Speaker 4: And apparently the Marvel Comics editor in chief has been
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  Speaker 4: waiting for this since me pick them up. So I
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  Speaker 4: guess they've been waiting for this. But I guess he's
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  Speaker 4: the only one because it's been only it's been twelve years.
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  Speaker 4: And I remember once thought, you know what I really want?
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  Speaker 4: I really want a goofy comic with Star Wars, with.
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  Speaker 1: Doom Invader. I just don't know. I just don't want it.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't want it. I don't want it, don't
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  Speaker 1: you say that?
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  Speaker 2: I do think for like some sort of like Disney Anniversary.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure Marvel has done a what if with
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  Speaker 2: Disney characters.
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  Speaker 1: But it's funny that you bring up the who do
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  Speaker 1: you who wants this?
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  Speaker 2: Because the actual gua chat that we have Katie unfortunately
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  Speaker 2: is no longer fortunately and unfortunately not a part of
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  Speaker 2: them because it's on Twitter unfortunately, Like everybody is kind
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: of just staying there for the messages and for the
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  Speaker 2: group chat. We've been talking about a Star Wars Marvel
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  Speaker 2: crossover for like almost two years now.
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  Speaker 4: We've been like, heyn, I just don't what does it
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  Speaker 4: look like like like to keep us in the Skywalker era?
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  Speaker 1: Are we just going back to a new hope again?
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  Speaker 4: Are we just going to have everything again but this
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  Speaker 4: time but this time there's Marvel superheroes in it? Like
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  Speaker 4: I just I'm just there's like the Kylo Ren comic
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  Speaker 4: came out this week. I'm much more excited for the
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  Speaker 4: new Kyla Ren comic than I am for you know.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that that's also like my bias.
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  Speaker 4: Where I think that the comics are like one of
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  Speaker 4: the purest forms of like cannon storytelling in Star Wars currently,
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  Speaker 4: and this muddies it and gets us back to it
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  Speaker 4: just being.
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  Speaker 1: Like Transformers X Star.
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  Speaker 4: Trek and we're just here for like the fun of
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  Speaker 4: the vibes, and it's it's the It's the bad part
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  Speaker 4: of Disney owning all of this is that they're like,
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  Speaker 4: we can just give this to Kevin Smith. Everybody loves
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  Speaker 4: Kevin Smith. We'll just it just seems it just seems
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  Speaker 4: like an easy sell for them. I would have preferred, like,
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  Speaker 4: if you're gonna get Patton Oswell, I think it would
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  Speaker 4: have been great to write you get Patton Oswald. I'm
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  Speaker 4: that I'm in it. I just don't not that. I
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  Speaker 4: don't think Kevin Smith can write great Star Wars. I
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  Speaker 4: know he can write great Marvel, but can he write
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  Speaker 4: great Star Wars the same way like a Charles Soul
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  Speaker 4: or a Cavin Scott or a George Man can write
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  Speaker 4: Star Wars.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, because I haven't seen him do it.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, I feel like it's going to lean more
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  Speaker 4: Marvel than it is Star Wars, and that's kind of
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: what I'm worried about.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the I want to pull in somebody
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  Speaker 3: famous who everybody loves and try and see. And I
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  Speaker 3: get it being a New Hope related because it's for
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: the fiftieth anniversary, But also, wasn't there a Legends Marvel
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  Speaker 3: comic like where they crossed over, because like everything I've
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  Speaker 3: read online says, oh, this is the first of it's kind,
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  Speaker 3: I'm fairly certain there was one in Legends.
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  Speaker 4: And I'll be honest, I don't like the team of
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  Speaker 4: I don't like who they have on these these things together.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that these characters go together.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that like putting cantterin America and Luke
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  Speaker 4: Skywalker is the most white bread thing we could do,
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: put Luke Skywalker in Doom in the same thing, like,
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  Speaker 4: let's challenge these dude, let's let's let's go crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I agree.
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  Speaker 2: I agree because having Chewbacca with Wolverine is very like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: that's too on the nose, Like you could be genuine
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  Speaker 2: with Groot and Rocket.
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  Speaker 4: And then I guess Silock is that Silock that's going
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  Speaker 4: to be there, And the thing, it just doesn't seem
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  Speaker 4: very It seems like you asked chat Chivt to put
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: a bunch of characters together, and like this is what
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: we this is what we're getting like Daredevil and Daredevil,
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  Speaker 4: Deadpool and some Javas and Hawkeye and Obi wan Kenobi.
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  Speaker 4: That does not sound interesting to me, like in the
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  Speaker 4: slightest unfortunately. But there are other combinations that would be cool.
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  Speaker 4: You put Luke, you put Luke with Doctor Doom, I'm
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  Speaker 4: here for it. You put you put Hulk with Chewbacca.
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  Speaker 4: I'm here for it, like I would. I think this,
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  Speaker 4: read it, I'll read it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not excited for it.
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  Speaker 2: This news comes out in a very like like interesting
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  Speaker 2: time because little really on the schedule for our discussions.
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  Speaker 2: A little spoiler for you guys, we've actually been planning
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  Speaker 2: this for like almost a year now. We were planning
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: our own a discussion of Star Wars what ifs like
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  Speaker 2: that could happen as far as like uh TV shows
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: and or comics stories that they could be putting out
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  Speaker 2: and love and behold crossover here. But the one thing
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  Speaker 2: that I did want to mention also is this is
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  Speaker 2: quite possibly not the only crossover that's going to happen,
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  Speaker 2: because there has been some leaked I guess I didn't
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: know people actually did this, but there's people out there
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: looking at future Lego code. Yeah, and so there has
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  Speaker 2: been a leaked confirmation of the Falcon. There is Iron.
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  Speaker 1: Three, po War two D two, Spider.
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  Speaker 2: Han, Captain Alderon, and Hulk Bacha these types.
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  Speaker 1: Now this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not entirely sure if this is a case of
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  Speaker 2: key Man in the sense of is the show coming
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  Speaker 2: first or is the toy coming first? Because I can
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  Speaker 2: definitely see a Disney Plus Lego special coming out and
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: then the toys promote that, or the toys are the
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  Speaker 2: test subject for an eventual Lego special on Disney Plus.
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  Speaker 2: I like the Lego idea more so than the comic
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  Speaker 2: crossover in my humble opinion.
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  Speaker 1: That's just me though. Yeah, I do a Lego thing,
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  Speaker 1: make it goofy. Yeah. I just hope that they think
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  Speaker 1: it's seriously man like.
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  Speaker 4: I like, like, I'm reading this article and and it
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  Speaker 4: seems like, Oh. I I had Marvel Star Wars Marvel
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  Speaker 4: comics back in the day, and I used to think,
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  Speaker 4: what did he say here?
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  Speaker 1: Again? I look at Smith, it'd dreamed it dream to
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  Speaker 1: interview him. I'm sure, I'm sure he's great. He said.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: Back in the early eighties, I had his re Christian
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: to Marvel Star Wars comics, and it's as fun as
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: it was to follow the Avengers of luke leyan Han.
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  Speaker 4: I'd always wish that Spider Man or Doctor Doom could
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  Speaker 4: cross over into their cinematic saga. What I just this
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  Speaker 4: is not what I'm thinking when I'm reading these stories.
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  Speaker 4: It's just not And and to me that just it's
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: just gonna it seems like the more I'm reading into
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: it just seems like it's gonna be Kid in the
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  Speaker 4: Candy Store.
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  Speaker 1: We're just gonna throw some stuff together.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and we're just gonna Ryan Johnson the hell out
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: of this and then just make the fan film that
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: Kevin Smith wants to make. But I'm sure it will
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  Speaker 4: be great. I'm sure it'll be great, but I'm not
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it's going to be the I don't
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  Speaker 4: think it's like'd be the great edition to like, I
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  Speaker 4: think this with the Lego thing, it does seem like
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  Speaker 4: we're just we're just trying to make some more Legos,
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  Speaker 4: which is.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I, oh my gosh, Like I I did
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  Speaker 2: not realize, or at least I believe that I just
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: recently started to realize the money that Lego puts on
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  Speaker 2: the table, because like, as a kid, it's just like legos,
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  Speaker 2: And then as an adult you're like, oh, one box
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  Speaker 2: is seventy two dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah cool, and wait find out how much it takes to.
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  Speaker 4: Make the lego, like like, oh, we're just getting overcharged
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: for some from Plastic.
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  Speaker 2: I love this and I think this, like genuinely, the crossover,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: the Star Wars comic crossover with Marble, is going to
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  Speaker 2: be the most Scooby Doo d c crossover we're probably
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  Speaker 2: ever gonna get. If you guys don't understand that reference,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: go look up Super Friends and Scooby Doo.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 2: It's just Saturday morning craziness. Like doesn't make sense how
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  Speaker 2: they meet, but here we are, so I.
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  Speaker 4: Think we're like, who are you gonna make fold? Like
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  Speaker 4: who's folding between Vader and Doctor Doom when they're in
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  Speaker 4: the same room together.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, this is why. This is why I like
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  Speaker 2: And here's the thing. These are two properties that Marvel owns, right.
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  Speaker 2: This is completely different than that of the most recent
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: revitalization of DC and Marvel, where they had to make
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: two completely different stories so that way Marvel can fold
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: on one and DC can fold on another, and they
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: both went you know this it's just kind of weird
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: because it's like you have your two biggest properties.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: It's just like.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: This is gonna cause so much strife online already. If
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: it is going to be a point of contention of
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: like hey, this one folds or this one folds, or
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: even worse if none of them fold.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if we're just gonna base this off a
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: new hope because.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: I'm just thinking about it more of like timeline wise,
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: there's just so many more characters on this paper that
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: are Marvel than our Star Wars. There's like for every
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: three or four Marvel characters on this there's a Star
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Wars character.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: So what do we even? What story are we telling?
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: What story are we telling?
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: That's gonna Yeah, we worked so fucking hard, man, We
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: work so hard to make like the literature for Star
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Wars be legitimized in like the Cannon where you know
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: again the legacy of Uh or like the Fall of
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Kylo Ren came out today. We have new Kylo a
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Ren lord today on New Comic Book Day, right, And
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: that's not gonna be what this is gonna It's gonna
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: be like, well, did you see the did you see
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: the death battle between Vader and whatever and this is
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: and and whoever wins is just gonna whoever Kevin Smith
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: thinks wins. And if Kevin Smith chooses Marvel over like
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: the Star Wars property, I'm gonna be upset. I think
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna be mad if Doctor Doom is
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: over here taking over the Empire.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: From Star Wars?
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: Who are we going? Are they going over here? Are
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: we going over here? Who's going where?
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I think that it'll be the Marvel universe somehow gets
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: into the Star Wars universe, And I do think it'll
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: be a Hey, Doom wants to take over, and then
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: they have a actual conversation and they all decide to
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: attack the good guys, So it'll be the good guys.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: We have Scarlett Witch like the og Scarlet Witch' is
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: like op as hell.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Who could just like blink all this out? I don't know.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: I'm just getting tripped up on the power scaling and
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: the the yes.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: The I feel like the two most important days of
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: this crossover will be the first issue and the last
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: issue when it comes to the discourse that's going to
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: be happening online for this I just want it to
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: be fun. But I know it's not gonna make sense,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: so I'm not gonna try to think too much into it.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: And again, like I said, the connecting cover is probably
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: what's gonna sell me on this. It's just like okay, like, hey,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: it's something that I collect. I probably won't be able
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: to pick it up day one unfortunately, but yeah, it
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: is what it is.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: So but I think that is it for our news.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Nothing too big other than the fact that this weekend,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: by the time you're listening to this on Saturday and Sunday,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: D twenty three will be going on and we are
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: rumored to and not when I say we, I mean
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: like just general public attendees of D twenty three are
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: going to be able to see the Starfighter trailer that
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: was at I'm assuming the same trailer that was at
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Star Wars celebration unless they get an was the celebration No,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I guess that announce celebration.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: No, it wasn't a trailer. You're right, you're right, you're right.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: This will be the first trailer they are rumored to
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: be unveiling that at D twenty three, and then it's
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: rumored that we won't get that trailer until December. Whether
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: that be during Dune or during Doomsday. So we'll see
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: what other news comes out of d twenty three. There
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: has been a lot, of course, when it comes to
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: rumors of studios, you know, backtracking on TV, going up
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: more scale of movies and all of that stuff. So
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I don't think we're gonna be getting any news or
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: any new news of any type of TV shows or
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: anything like that, unfortunately.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: So it's just gonna be footage description more than likely.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but if we can, let's go ahead and jump
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: into our discussion of the Ninth Jedi episodes five through eight.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: This is of course, Uh the second week, we decided
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: to break it.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Up because we were like, hey, we want to talk
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: more content. Adrian, I'm gonna go with you first, because,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: like I said, you sent me that message and you
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: were super excited to talk about this, even saying like, hey,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: this one could have been a weekly show with conversation
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: around it. Uh, so what are what are your initial
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: thoughts when you first saw episodes.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Five through eight?
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: If I three, that were great. I think it really.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: Diverged from like the cause I know that when we
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: first talked about this a couple of weeks ago, we're like, Oh,
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: it's gonna be I don't care. You were worried about it,
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: like being like a new hope thing, and that was
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: kind of been through through a lot of it, and
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: I think five is where we kind of got away
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: from that and we got to see what it's like
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: when these Jedi don't have no emotions, and it's even worse.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: It's like the biggest. It's like the biggest, like f
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: you to people who are like, we're all the grade Jedi, Well,
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: this is what would happen if you had greate Jedi.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I thought they were great. I thought episode
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: five specifically was great.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: What did she say? I've worked on what you say? Uh?
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: In episode five, after she kind of after she like
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: freezed the village from the thing that she started, she's like,
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: you're safe.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I killed them all with like them all, she.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Was killed them all.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: She has no idea. She did not see that her
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: dad wasn't killing people.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: She did not see that, like even her master wasn't
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: even intentionally trying to kill it. She got none of that.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: She got none of that, and then she went full
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: full into it, and I thought it was fantastic. Homeboy
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: pointing the fucking lightsaber at the ships.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, it was so good. It was so good,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: And I think that's where.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: I think that was the initial story that they told,
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: and I think everything else felt like kind of the
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: backstory for it. But this five through eight was like
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: the story that they actually wanted to tell, and I
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: think it worked out.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: For the most part pretty well.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: I thought the ending was kind of like, kind of
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: rushed a little bit, like we make them turn back
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: already and or make them turn to the bar. I'm
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: gonna felt a little bit rushed and little little antiquated.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: But until that point, I mean I was bought in.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: Give everyone a white saber. Oh yeah, you can wield it. Yeah,
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: you should get one. You're not a bad person and
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: you can wield it and you're not gonna go kill
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: anybody with it.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: You should get one. Hit Sabercolor matters again. Cool, I'm
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: with it.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: So, Adrian, you will get this reference more than Katie
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: will because she still has not watched the cinematics for
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: this game, But it was very much Knights of the
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Old Republic for me. Yeah, in that game, Katie, the
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: really fun thing is that you find companions on different planets,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: sometimes and it all depends on if you recruit them
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: and then if you talk to them enough and get
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: them into a like friendlier relationship. Sometimes even those people,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: whether they be scoundrels or just random people, they can
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: like turn into Jedi. They can like actually learn about
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: the force and learn to wield lightsabers and stuff.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: And so I feel like this was very much cod So.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so you think good or bad based on like
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: what your stance was, And yeah, I didn't even really
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: think about that, but yeah, that's pretty much how it was.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: And even the I don't remember her name off the
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: top of my head, but the.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: I just I just know what she looks like, the
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: lady from the planet where this where they initially had
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: the Yeah, she was great. I can't wait for my
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: wife to cosplay that lady. I was like, yes, give
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: her a lightsaber. Dutchess a teen should have been had
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: a lightsaber, Like what do you mean? Yeah, so yeah, yeah,
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: I was. I was with it. I loved I love
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: I loved I loved that because it really challenged and
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: I in my review I wrote about it, I was like,
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: what is like the biggest question they're trying to ask here?
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: And what is a Jedi? What makes a Jedi? And
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: I think this one answers it great. It's not just
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: the amount of med of Chlorians you have. It's not
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: just about even whether or not you can even wield
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: a lightsaber or NOTx We've seen so many times that
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: that doesn't matter in our Cannon of Star Wars that
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: what's on the inside, what's on the inside, and what
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: choices are you making? Yeah, what are you? What are
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: you doing with all of the information? What choice do
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: you make? Do you do you kill this?
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: God and d it was like later in the episode,
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: but like she learns that she don't got to kill people.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: You definitely don't have to. You definitely do not have
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: to do it.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: And we are so like, well, lightsaber battle, chop their
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: legs off, Trup, Like, that's not what the Jedi want
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: to do. It's never what the Jedi want to do.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: We have a whole book for the Dark Disciple of
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: about how conflicted they are of trying to assassinate Count Dooku. Yeah,
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: you know, the guy literally committing genocides across like they're
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: they're having a hard time intentionally trying to kill that man.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: That should tell you all you need to know about
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: how they don't want to be having to do this
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: and don't they don't want to have to be killing
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: all these people and then seeing how this new Jedi
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: order that they're forming now is like just get rid
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: of all that stuff and just take like the best
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: parts with it.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: And we're not even going to do you need to
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: be for sensitive? Do you do? You follow the thing?
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: Like it's like, Uh, the Guardians of Wee, all those
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: you should have probably had lightsabers. We should just give
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: them lightsabers. They a new uh rogue one probably goes
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: a lot different. If if you get Donia in a lightsaber,
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: it's over for for everybody there.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I loved it. I loved it. I love
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: the story with the dad. How that all, how all
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: that stuff played out.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: Wasn't in four or five where we find out about
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: like the silver the silver Saber or something it was
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: in It.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Was in four.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, god man, that scene was so good. It was
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: seen and every time it happened just like, ah, they
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: just went ultra instinct with this and I'm here for it.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: When in the final like not the final battle, but
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: like before the final battle, Uh, when you see her
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: father and no them uh fighting, and then it just
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: cuts to them and they're like, oh, somebody's coming and
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: it's him walking through the door.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Her ocean is just like she cracks. She's like, oh
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: my god.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: And like you said, ultra instinct, they're moving really fast.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: I think literally couldn't be tracked. I was like, oh,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: I want to dress this. This is how I've always
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: wanted to view Star Wars. Yeah, like the potential and
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: like even the story, like recently that I think it's
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: an older story, but recently because of all the interviews
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: that Ian McGregor has been having recently, he reiterated the
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: idea of like how they had to slow down the
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: tracking when during episode one, when him and I forgot
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: the actor's name but mal Or in their final battle,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: they were moving so fast because they had rehearsed it
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: and memorized it so well that they can do it
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: at their top speeds or whatever. It's like, Hey, that
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: put into animation limitless possibilities and we saw that and
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: it's beautiful, man, beautiful.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: What about you?
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: What are your initial thoughts? You know, Para going on
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: a murders free her getting her lightsaber changed to from
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: green to red to silver everything, Like what was your
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: thought process through everything?
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: I actually loved that visual storytelling, especially at the end
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: where she kind of puts it together and it's like,
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: you know what, I do need emotions here and they
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: need to be on the right side, because I think
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: that story that's told in the prequel trilogy and like
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: what Yoda tries to follow up on and then Luke
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: later on, there's like, Okay, we need to cut everything out,
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: like you need to be at peace with everything. There's
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: no emotional feeling. I love this side of it because,
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: as we know, we're all human, we're all people in
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: the Star Wars galaxy. Everybody got their own emotions. That's
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: what makes us human, that's what makes his people like
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: so to be able to feel that make gives you
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: that edge and understanding above. Hey, we're just gonna cut
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: all of it out if if we kill people, like,
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: it's not the end of the world kind of thing. No,
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: that's not that's not what a Jedi needs to be,
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Like you said, Adrian, like the Jedi should be focused
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: on saving life wherever possible, because force is life at
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: the end of So I love that storytelling and that
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: realization that car comes to at the end and like, oh, well,
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: my father's doing this, but you know what that that's
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: not what I want to be at the end of
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: the day, and my father wanted something better for me,
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: so I can step away from that kind of thing.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: I love that. I actually love how much Space Battle.
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: We got so much battle, so much Space Battle of it,
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: and the joy designs so good.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: It's fantastic. And we really did not talk about the
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: voice acting last week. I only got a chance to
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: do the English version. I did not get a chance
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: to do the sub track of it. But I gotta say, uh,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Simoulu did an incredible job as the father in these
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: last four episodes, in particular, just because he makes that
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: much more of a presence. But then, uh, kimmyk Glynn
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: does an incredible job as Kara.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Like delivers that you're safe now. I killed them all
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: deliveries of the entire show. Oh my god, it's so good.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: And I bet she took a look at the script
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: and it was like, is this you want me to
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: say this?
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Are you sure with what type of inflection?
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Exactly exactly? But no incredible voice acting crew all around.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: But I did want to shout out Simu and Camiko
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: in particular, especially for these last four episodes. I loved
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: the Lightsaber choreography that got It felt very different compared
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: to the animated Lightsaber e Fects that we've had previously,
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: and that's because it's anime. So I appreciated that it
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: was different and kind of ran those different things. I
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: will say just on the translation part with the sub,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: when Carus says take out the power unit, I had
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: no idea what she was talking about. When they're trying
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: to crash the cannon onto heat Islam, I was like,
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: what is the power unit like? And they oh, Kazana.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: I think it's Kazana. Kuana goes take out the engines.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, okay, that's what we're talking about. So,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: just like some little things with like the translation, I
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: am excited to go in and the sub, but again
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: ready ground with the toddler, don't have the time to
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: read this ups to get like.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: This hilarious, I put on the audio description in English.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: During the I went back and watched the the fight
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: with the dad just I wanted to see like what
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: is like, what is what are we looking at here?
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: It's such a silent scene. I think it's hilarious they
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: use a British uh there, use a British voice for
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: like the English description for this.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I think it's so it's a.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: Real jarring but I but it also felt like I
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: was like I was watching an audiobook. So if you
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: need like another way to go watch it, I highly
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: recommend the audio description.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Because it's they do a pretty good job. Awesome.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll have to go check that out. One thing
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: that we we haven't mentioned yet, uh, we had Gino
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: turned into General Gravis at the very beginning of the.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Last episode five.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: I thought this was kind of cool. It gives a
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: lovely homage to the character of General Grievous. He was
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: kind of like he was just your typical henchman, like
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: nothing too big, you know. He did have again a
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: part of the final fight with Zema near the end
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: when they were at the very first spot the very
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: first episode of Visions season one, you know, back at
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: that giant Crystal. I liked how they kind of brought
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: that back into playing. I thought that was very very.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: Nice, I would agree, and that's he the temple that
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: he is lying yes planet.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say some of the things that we
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: were predicting Katie did not necessarily come true.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: With Ethan and with Homan.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: We wanted those two characters to have a little bit
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: more of a prominent role. Now that we had the
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: death of Duro and that did not come into fruition.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Jura still managed to stick around.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: He did we get to see We get to see
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: his Force ghosts a total of two times.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: I what did you guys think about that? So visually.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: And storytelling wise, the first time he pops up, it's
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: almost set up as a dream, whereas the last time
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: you see him in the very end of the series,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: he's sitting at the table with the new Council as
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: a Force ghost. How'd you guys feel about that whole thing?
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: I definitely thought the first time was a dream because
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: the color on her prison cage changed so it was red,
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: and then when the forest ghost is there's purple, so
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: it's like, this is definitely dream.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, some visual stuff changing there.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean I thought it was just forest
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: ghosts in general, or at least yeah, it's the force
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: coast are so hard to like, what like we even
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: you know, is it like he's is Louke hallucinating on
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: on Hof or is he really seeing him?
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So situations, who knows. I
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: lean on the.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: Side of the forest ghost that that that that that
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: was there. But I do think that she got the
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: wrong message from the forest ghost in that one. She
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: had the wrong This is when she was in that cage.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: She's not doing what her dad did when he was
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: in the cage, when he could have just left whenever
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: he wanted.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's so freaking straw God. I love
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: watching him fight.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: God, he's such a good fighter, and and and and
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: for the Geno things specifically too, we're like, okay, yeah,
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: he could have He could have killed Geno two episodes ago.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: If he really really really really wanted to, really needed to.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: And even in the fighting, I love that he uses
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: the show too. Blade.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: I love that he uses a short blade and he
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: intentionally makes his blade short. There's just so many like
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: little things and the and how each of them fight
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: that feels so specific that it was It was great,
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: but I would have liked to get more of of
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: my boy home.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: And he's the coolest looking guy. Man, He's a cool.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: We're going to see him fight in the hallway with
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: the with the elf dwarf guy, which is great character designs.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: By the way, I love the way those guys look.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: Those guys are some of the coolest new new designs ever.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: Give me, give me the High Fantasy with my Star Wars.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: That's kind of crossover I want. But I was like,
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: he's just he's just getting like a a nothing holloway
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: scene and that's pretty much it. Like he doesn't really
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: have much to do outside of that, even you know,
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: even uh, you know Kawana is like leading a group
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: of people, right.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: He's doing it so you recognize his voice actor for
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: for for Homan.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Patrick seats yes, yes, jeer in again again.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Why I wanted more and I don't And I don't
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: know why.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: Maybe because oh he's already into he was already in
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: like the first one, and you could guess all you
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: need to know. But I would have liked some backstories,
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: some flashby and get my man something.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: I I really really dig his character design. And you
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: know the idea of like putting so much responsibility on
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Ethan as well, Like I was like, Okay, there's got
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: to be.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: So much, dude, so much go infiltrate that dude murdering
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: people kid have fun.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like and so I thought, Okay, there's there's got
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: to be some sort of like new leadership role he's
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: gonna be taking here and like nothing like he like
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: there's nothing really there, which again I understand the storytelling
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: that they're doing is not Ethan's story. It never was
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Ethan's story, but they kind of like.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: I know more about it, I know more about the
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: new characters, and I know about the two returning characters exactly.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: But yeah, this going back my initial thoughts on on
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: the murder spree, I didn't know what was happening. After
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: the first two kills, I was like, wait, did she
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: just hold on a second? And then then the bontage
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: started to happen.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, no, she's not like knocking them out.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: Like if you keep going, I'm gonna keep killing you
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: or something like that.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: She's oh god.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: And there's so many good quotes in that in that,
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: like that second half of of the season of the season,
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: you know, even in episode six where she's talking with
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: the with the bounty hunter guys, she's like, how many
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: people have you killed in the pursuit of justice and
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: she has to like think back of like damn, I
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: just killed the people in a pursuit of justice, to
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: the point where at the end she's like, this isn't
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: about like justice, this is just about like right and wrong.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: We're gonna go kill this guy. We're gonna astop this guy.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: Do you want to come or not saying about the forest.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: It is ain't about the Jedi being fools or whatever.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: We just know that this guy has gotta go or
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: we got to stop this dude somehow, Are you coming
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: or not?
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Force I met into a life debt. I love that
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: a debt. That's such a great way.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: You don't have to kill him, just make them just
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: do what Homeboy did is like if you can't beat
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: me in a fight, which I love, by the way,
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: very Marchion Rowe coded of like beat me in a fight,
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: and if you can't, you're gonna listen to me.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: And that's basically kind of like what she does a
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: little bit.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: So there's so much that she takes from like everywhere
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: that I hope that if they.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Keep with this story where I need another season.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I need another season of Homeboy,
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: you know, coming back to the light and them babying
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: this man put them into I don't want.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: To see you no more.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: I think it's very possible, to be honest, because of
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: the way they ended it.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: I think it's very possible.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: I feel like the way they ended it was more
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: like inception coded versus like they kept it open for
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: another one just in case. But I feel like it
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: was more of like a draw your own conclusion situation.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: I don't because like this Vision's Presents was specifically marketed as, hey,
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: this is like limited series the sort of thing, so
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: I don't think you should be like, oh, there's going
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: to be another season, like could there be? That is true,
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: but it was marketed this limited series.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Because I do think you kind of like not the
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: this is a very bad term and I don't want
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: to use it, but it's the only thing that popped up,
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: like not muddy the waters, but like, it would be
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: kind of confusing if you're like, hey, Star Wars Visions
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Presents the Ninth Jedi, and then do a completely different
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: one and then go back and be like, hey, Ninth
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Jedi Season two is coming out now, and then it's like, okay,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: but what are we doing other stuff. Are we just
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: going back to this? I think that could be a
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: little confusing. I will say I would not be surprised
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: if publishing is interested in continuing the story. If that
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: is not already a conversation that's already happening. I could
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: see that happening in the future. Talking about the Lifett
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: and that whole fight. I thought that fight was really,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: really fun. That's kind of when we started to see
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Kara like really zone into like her understanding of what
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: all of this is supposed to be about. I like
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: the visual like she essentially guys. She essentially creates a
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: alternative form of the forbidden technique, which is uh trakata.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: She she does a completely different version of that, and
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I correct me if I'm wrong. I because for some
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: reason I had a little bit of deja vu when
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: she was in a stance. And the guy even says like, well,
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: if I if I can't know where to predict your
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: next move, then I guess I'll just have to go
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: like this. I feel like this has been done before,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: as far as like some sort of Jedi not really
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: have like having a fully open stance with their lightsaber
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: and then moving at the last second. I don't know
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: why I have with that, but I do.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: Reminds me like a little of like the face off
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: with Mal and Obi Wan at the end, Like we're
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: like this big build up and it's like a very
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: quick that Samurai inspired kind of like open moment, but
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: also for me it's also it's it's like the coolest
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: way that they've shown, like how many times I got
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: to watch these fucking kids to defend against a training droid? Ah,
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: And then she just like locked into like the antithesis
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: of like what that actually it's the best representation of
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: like what is that exercise that that exercises like for
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: that specifically? And I think that is that is what
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: I got the most out of it. And then you
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: know the start of her trying that turning the lightsaber
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: off and seeing how I can fight and do things
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: without it and really being one with like the force,
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: which is like the bigger thing because what is a lightsaber?
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: Which I really like too, is like what even is
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: a lightsaber? Of just trying to control a khyber crystal
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: which spoiler alert, you can't do it.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: You can't do it.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: They're their living thing, and I wish they would have
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: done more on that of.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Like the lightsaber doing like like a living you know thing. Yeah,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: because they are.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: Because the hitting it with the lightsaber, but not like
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: the blaster, Like that didn't make a whole lot of
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: sense to me in the final moments, because it's like, okay,
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: but like you're not connecting with the kyber crystal, because
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: I would have thought more like when Ethan opens the
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: lightsaber and tries to hit it with the lightsaber beam, Oh,
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: that would have connected the two kyber crystals, versus just
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: hitting it with a lightsaber.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean again and again, I think that's just
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: more like the ending kind of just being like a
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: little breast like, oh, well, we hit it a bunch
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: of times and like it broke, which I guess is
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: like you know, Han hitting the top of the Millennium
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: falcon all of a sudden, like Falkon was working and
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: skeletal crew when they hit it with the thing and
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: then all of a sudden's breaking. I get that, but
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: I just feel like there's such a grand moment of
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: like this is this is a giant kyber crystal, like
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: we've never seen it before, and we could have done
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: what Homeboy did and all of the ice cold it
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: came together and we could have like felt the crystals
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: from the inside, but instead we just like break it,
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: which I felt was very like, like, ah, we spent
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: so much time like respecting the kyber crystal and then
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: what we're doing, We're just hitting it with the bits
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: of our It's like it's like taking your gun and
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: just pistol whipping the kyber pistol. After showing that him
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: touching it and changing the inside of it, which I
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: thought was fucking fantastic. I wish, I wish that that
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: would have been his moment to do, like what God, like,
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: I'm blanking on? Uh guy who puts the defect in
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: the Death Star? Oh my god, dad generous Galen, Yeah,
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: Galen Aersol puts in the thing. I thought that when
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: he was touching it, and this is you know from
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: the first episodes, but like when he was touching it,
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: he was intentionally making it miss because of the way
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: that he shifted the crystals.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: But I guess isn't the case.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: But I would have loved that's how they would have
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: got it to stop in the first place, Like to
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: the crystal people like, hey man, you don't want to
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: do this kyber Crystal resist or like do something, but
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: it just turned to them beating the shit out of it,
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: which I didn't like, especially when we have Kara like
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: choosing the non violent.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Route to win the day.
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like violence against cyber crystal, Okay, violence against Tyrant.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Don't do that. We gotta let him live well.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Like and even Homan, He's like, this is the sacred
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: crystal that Duro himself was.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: Trying to protect it with our lightsabers.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: You know these like lightsabers that are like very rare,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: and then like.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: No one else like can can really make them and
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: all of this stuff and it's super special. Let's take
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: the blunt end of it and then smash it into
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: the thing and somehow that works. I would love to
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: talk to the creators of like why that was a
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: decision to make And that's just be just being nitpicky
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: with like the yeah yeah that last episode just being
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: like so cool, but also just like ugh, if we
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: would have, like I think, like two more episodes, if
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: there's like a ten episode season or something, I feel
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: like that could have been fus I.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Feel like I feel like ten episodes would have been
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: really the sweet spot here because there was Like you said,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: that eighth episode, although really badass, really fun, like the
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: epic fight between Nolim and car was really really fun.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: This like conversation that Nam was like, you know, Katie,
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: you brought it up his hatred towards the fact that
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: she chose the light versus having no emotions whatsoever. Yeah,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: and it breaks him to have anger to his lightsaber
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: turning red last minute and she's like, look, it's just
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: you know, it's affected by the heart of its wheeler
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: and blah blah blah. Like I so good, so so good,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: and then I knew the outcome. But even the second
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: time around, watching it today when they're all celebrating, I'm like, wait,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: wasn't there more? Like there needs to be more? This
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: is just ending what's going on?
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: He's just all of the other ships in the air,
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: Like what's yeah, all those guys. Did you throw all
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: those guys in jail too, or did we just kill
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: them up in space?
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Like what did we do with all of.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: Like the bad people who were asserting their power over people?
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I I really wanted more of this, Like
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: I said, I could see publishing getting their hands on
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: it and finishing the story or just continuing the story.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Either way, this did surprise me. The later half of
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: this series definitely surprised me. It was really really fun,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: visually stunning. I really loved what the studio did. I've
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: been seeing some some random clips of other anime studios
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: and I'm just like, man, I would love to see
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: what they could do with Star Wars, you know.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: So, so like I'm I'm glad that we have this.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: We'll see what's to come. I I am pretty sure
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: we're not gonna get numbers on this.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: At all. Even who is who is that random?
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: Us might put up something?
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Is it Nielsen? What's the what's the one with the TV?
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: The special TVs? I can remember?
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: I can never remember what it is? Is it Nielsen?
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: I Okay, they might put something up, who knows, you know,
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think Star Wars is still posting about
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: it on their Instagram.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: A week later.
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: They post about an hour ago to go watch the show.
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: So I'm hoping that they stick with it for a
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: couple more weeks and sol post about it. Yeah, but
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: it's just gonna take like it's is gonna be another
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: I feel like it's just gonna be because honestly, man,
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: I talked to so many people about Star Wars.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: I have Star Wars tattoos, I carry a lightsaber round.
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: I talked about Star Wars like a lot, and ninety
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: actually legitimately, like ninety percent even more have never even
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: heard of Star Wars visions. Star Wars fan who are
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: who are just like, oh, you love the Star Wars tattoos.
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: You're like, oh, I've seen Star Wars visions. You're like,
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: I don't even know. I don't even know what that is.
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: I do like anime and they're like, yeah, I like anime,
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: you like Star Wars, then go there.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: It is, there it is.
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: So it's just gonna be a word of mouth thing,
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: I think for this one, because it's because again when
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: they were promoting the week of it's another one of
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: those things where Star Wars pays off some influencer to
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: be like, oh my god, that light super Battle was crazy,
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, this is like the best thing, and
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: like this is why legitimate reactions to like what they're doing,
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: and like that's how they're promoting it.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: So it's tough.
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: I know, when it first came out, they did like
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: post like a lot of like this is what everyone's
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: saying about it, and they posted a bunch of like
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: abuse from like the big sites, So I'm hoping that
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: they stick with it.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: I know that we have volume four coming out soon.
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: I just also hope and would love, you know, if
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: we're talking.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: About what are they gonna do? Like, what is Visions
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: going to do after this? Go back to what you
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: did in volume two?
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: Anime works great, but it isn't the only animation medium
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: where you can have these kind of like lightsaber battles.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: I would love to see it in different forms, because
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: while I did think that some of it was great,
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: some of it looked kind of me like the backgrounds
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: were kind of nah, it seems like especially compared to
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: and I don't and I hate and I hate that
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: I'm praising the Darth Maul Show, but like, at least
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: in the Darth Maul Show, when you have like these
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: backgrounds that aren't like the main focus they did in
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: like this like weird like New Wir kind of thing,
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: where this just looks like a very still static. So
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: many of the backgrounds are very very static, and it sucks
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: because so many the characters are so dynamic that I
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: feel like we're losing out on some of like the
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: other world.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: Building stuff that is done better.
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: And I think in some of the other animations that
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: aren't anime, they're you know, from other studios doing different things,
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: like the Uh. You know one that I would love
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: to see again would be like the Chilean one where
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: it was like all watercolor. I thought that one done great.
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: The one the UH was it Screecher's Reach. I think
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: it would be a fantastic series for them to do,
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: Like there's so many of them. I think that would
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: do well. That you don't have to keep this to anime.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: But I'm worried that these white men don't know anything
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: about anything and that they're just gonna keep doing anime
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: over and over and over again. But I hope that
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: they see this and they're like, oh, people love Stars animation,
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: and we don't have to just do the Clone Wars
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: animation over and over and over again. We can do
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: different things or get us back to like what was
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: like the Disney what was like the other the other one,
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: like like the Disney Heroines or Disney Heroes forces a
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: Destiny forces Destiny, Like even if you did something like
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: that again, I would I would be down.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Just just give us more. I hope that they're not
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: just like, oh the ninth three dry was great.
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: We're just gonna keeping the Night Hut over over again,
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: continue to like let the other ones go, and you know,
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: because I think that there are other ones that are
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: fleshing out, fleshed out enough worlds, like where you can
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: tell really a story where we don't need another planet destroying.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: The animated version of Yes they did it was it
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: was for like Disney XD. It was like five minutes.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: I only I only knew this. I only knew Forces
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: of Destiny from the comic series that.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: They Yeah, they based on the show.
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you get to watch like because it's one of
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: those things where you get to watch parents setne and
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: and Lea together on a mission.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Sign me up, yes, you know, so that's pretty cool animation.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: I definitely I think this is more unique than like
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: Screecher's Reach or the Watercolor one. I would love to
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: see the French one expanded on like the Dancer ended
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: up with the Empire and that one. I loved that one.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: H but yeah, I would I would love to see this,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: uh continue. And I actually didn't realize that Volume four
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: was in the works, But it looks like Daniel RpK
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: said it at some point that volume four was in
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: the works.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, there's there's a lot on our list
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: that I think would just do bukoos for for storytelling. Uh,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: you know, and I know that these studios and Disney
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: and everybody wants more of the clicks and the subscriptions
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: and everything else.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: But of course, just like the.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Beauty, the beauty of the art, and of course the story,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: like the the one that really surprised me and Katie
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: from Vision's three was, uh, the story about the person
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: who became blind mm was really good too.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like that, like so.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Visually, like that would just be so cool to continue
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: that story see how that all goes down. But yeah,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: I think that is it for our discussion, unless you
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: guys want to add any last minute thoughts of the ninth.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Jed, I'm done.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: I'm done with the ronan no more. Yes, if you're listening,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: we're done with the ron and especially after what you
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: gave us in Visions volume three, please yeah, it's you're Yeah,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: the rule of cool is gone and stop.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Please.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: I I would have much rather loved a continuation of
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: the book.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, continuation of the book, or just like a straight
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: up prequel, Like give me like a straight straight prequel. Wonder,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: show me show me a prequel with this man, let
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: me see it, because I did, I didn't. And you know,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: last thing I'll say about the thing is because his
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: the dad has so many great lines. It would be
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: irresponsible of me to let the weight of your crimes
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: grow any heavier. What a baller line for some dude
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: who was essentially like a Jedi inquisitor like this dude,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: like this guy was, I just want to see more
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: of him specifically, so we get like prequel stuff of
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: him going like a comic version of him going out
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: and like hunting down these sith.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: I'd be in it. I would read that the days
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: a man of days of the week.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, especially because then you can do like manga
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: where we you know, the fast too fast for movement
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: stuff can still translate very well. Because man, when when
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: they were trying to track that dude, I was like, yep, yeah,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: this's they're krilling. They're they're now krilling, looking at the
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: sayings fighting and I'm here for it. And and musically
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: was okay, but the sound design with the silver blades.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: When the silver Blades are singing and fighting. Oh my god,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: it sounded so good. Yeah, way to reinvent the way
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: the lightsaber.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 6: Sounds like, Oh my god, the way that the when
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 6: you when they ignited their silvers uh, and when both
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 6: Kara and Uh, oh my god, her.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: Father's name Zema ti Uh, when they really started to
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: focus and like it became like solidified rather than like
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: kind of like it looked more lava lamp than anything
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: when they would yeah, exactly. And then when she when
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: she finally like really started to focus and it just
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: became pure white like that. I loved the tone.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: The music, Like all of that was really really beautiful.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: I just I just played one of the clips and
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: it's like, got it sound so good?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: What is that? Samurai aspect?
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, one thing that we didn't really talk about, And
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: I think it's more so because of the way they
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: rushed the ending and Adrian kind of what you were insinuating.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: We hadn't really talked about not on them too much.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: And I do think that, like his story is interesting
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: because it's purely the misunderstanding of Hey, I'm looking at
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: this from the outside looking in with him witnessing Carra's father,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: you know, doing what he did in malice and all
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: of this stuff. I think it's an interesting concept and
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: there's a lot to learn from it. But the very
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: very sudden like hey kid, yeah, let's do this again
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: sometime and gives them the lights that ber at the
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: very end.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just like, yeah, it felt it felt like
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: to it felt too anime ending.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: The anime. The ending was too anime.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: It's too anime ending for like this guy to like
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: basically get off, not like get off get off, but
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: like get off, not more or less scot free for
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: doing all this really bad stuff, like just because they
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: got to kill this man, but we also don't got
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: to act like he didn't make these choices on his own.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the reasons why he's making those choices.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: For me, it's like, oh, well, you saw this guy
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: kill this other guy, and then now that's all you
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: think about is like that's what you see is power?
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: Like that's it? Who Like, where did you.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: Learn more stuff from you were a kid? How Come
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: no one was whooping your ass like before that? Like
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: there's just so much like other stuff that I would
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: have liked to see for his backstory other than just
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: like I think I'm the strongest, and the strongest should.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Be able to do whatever they want.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and when you look at like a marchion Row
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: or even even a Kimeer, when you're trying to distract
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: away from like what is the bad side of the force,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: like the bad of the things, and then you know,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: we have things like the dread gear, and we have
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: things like you know, Planet X, and like these things.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: It's too much back to well, everyone deserves to be
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: redeemed at the end. You know, we're gonna redeem Vader
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: at the end, no matter all the bad stuff he did.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: And that felt too much like too much of the
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: of the hope in the thing. And I wish that
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: because of all the bad stuff he did, the reasons
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: weren't great for me, Like, Okay, you saw this guy
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: kill this guy, so now you're taking over the galaxy.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: I just don't understand.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: It feels like something like there's like a piece missing
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: there in like his arc, when everyone else has a clear,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: you know, clear arc on like why they were doing
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: what they were doing.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Because even by the end, you.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: Know why why her dad did what was like we
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: don't know why he did what he did, but we're
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: gonna trust that he's making a good decision.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: So then when we finally find.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: Out why you know, n was doing what he's doing,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: it's just like, oh, so he's just an asshole. He's
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: just like a bully with a lightsaber, and that's just
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: and it's just boring compared to other villains that we've gotten,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: especially over the last few years.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: For me, yeah, I would almost take like like you
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: were talking about, like a prequel. I would take that
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: in like Vision's volume four, So I don't want to
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: take a slot from somebody else and you like throw
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: in a prequel there, versus like saying like, oh, let's
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: go full storyline. I think all you need really is
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: one right there?
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, give me I'm good.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm like. I don't think you need
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: much more than that.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: How how does he how does he have massed all
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: of this stuff? Right like wet somehow Palp returned. I
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: guess there's no central government. But like nobody, nobody of
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: those fifty remaining Jedi masters saw this dude doing this
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: stuff with a lightsaber, and no one was like, hey, I.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: Was gonna be like nobody questioned him. Nobody's like, nobody.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: That's not how you're supposed to do stuff.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we teach you the right thing.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: Hold on a second.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: By And then the last line that that dude like
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: that they say in age is like leaders who roll
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: without compassion are doomed to be overthrown. So I'm just
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: glad that they won at the end, and like this
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: guy stopped murdering people, but I stopped doing planet killing
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: weapons be more. Although I got I will say that
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: of all the planet destroying weapons you've seen in action,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: I know this is like from the other episodes.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: Man, that thing looked cool. Yeah, God, that looked cool.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: And I thought I thought they were just doing like
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: I didn't realize that when I was watching it, I
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: didn't realize that they had missed. I thought that dude
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: was doing a glancing shot, and I felt like that
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: was so much more badass to be like this is
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: your warring shot, pow, and.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Like that's that's what we're doing.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: Because it looked visually great, you know, the one, the
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: one with a star killer shooting across the galaxy. I
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: guess like that looks cool, but did not look as
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: cool as them shooting a homegirl's planet with a glancing blow,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: but also like stop using kyber crystals this way, please,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: There's so much more interesting than just being used to
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: be to be weapons. And I was hoping that they
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: would like get to that that, like what is even
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: just a lightsaber, brother than just containing this power that
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: we don't fully fully understand. It just lets us do
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: the things that we want to do. So when she
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: turns it off and doesn't use it to as a weapon,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: I thought that was some of some of the best
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: parts of the show. And I wish that would have
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: been more of like the focus. So lots of love
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: for me and I'm just kind of yapping out, but
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: like lots of love for me. I just wish they
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: would have like just gone for it, like a little more.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: You already have the money, already have the go ahead.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: What's the harmon just going for it? So I think
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: that they just take more risk moving forward.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I still find that I regret even though
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: I feel like Ujima's story as a Jedi inquisitor type
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: of person is cool, I still really regret that they
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: didn't just take the Sabersmith route and go for it
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: as like he's like a specialist, like no force sensitivity
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: kind of thing, like that's all he does. I loved
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: that concept in the first one, and I just wish
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: that had been more of it. I also just am
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: still mad that they put that he was.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: A Jedi in wasn't if he wasn't a fucking demon.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: I think I feel the same way, but that man
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: was a demon. He's like, oh yeah, he immediately jumped
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: above his class. And she's like, wait, my dad was
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: like legit, like he was.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. She really had no idea.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: She had really no idea this man's past, and we
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: really don't even either, and apparently his president know. We like,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: there's so many stuff that like that that happened, and
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: then seeing it in the video of Homeboy drawing the
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: lightsaber first, you know, the famous like who shot first
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: type of thing, like, man, they really like gave us
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: everything to Like, I get you, bro, I would have
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: I would have probably cut that man down too, But
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: this is also why I'm not a Jedi.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: So oh man, Well, if that is it, guys, I
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: want to thank you guys so much for being here
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: and listening to us ramble one last thing before we
• 1:10:31
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• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: that we have exactly well not exactly, but nearly two
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: weeks until zero Company is officially out.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: I am for sure getting it. I am superesita your
• 1:10:49
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• 1:10:50
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• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: Are I'm trying to stay away from the last thing
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: I saw. The last thing I saw was that it
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: is is essentially a x com reskin with all of
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: the best parts of Midnight Suns, which Midnight Suns I
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: heard raving reviews about. It's been on my wish list
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: for ever since it was released. Haven't had the chance
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: to pick it up yet, even when it was at
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: its lowest I think, at like fifteen dollars on a
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: really beautiful sale, I.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: Was unable to grab it at the time.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: But I've heard great things about it, so I'm really
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: really excited. It seems very very seamless as far as
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: like the action and stuff that's happening within the game.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: While you're making your decisions, the battle is going on
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: around you, so it looks very, very very fun. I'm
• 1:11:49
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• 1:11:54
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• 1:11:58
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• 1:12:01
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• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: Clay brought up a topic that we're going to be
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: talking about in the next couple of months is what
• 1:13:21
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• 1:13:43
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• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: all of the Higher Republican adult books and kind of
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: talking generically how the story follows between all eight books. Clay, Yes, yes, just.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: A phase one?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, or the two you forgot about in Phase three,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: don't worry about.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: That is also true. Yes, it's been a while. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: hey did you read the first one? Did you read
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: the last one?
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  Speaker 4: All the.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: No, So, guys, if you guys are following along on Patreon,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: Clay and I are talking about the New Jedi Order.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: We just got done with Jason Solo's book Trader, and
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: so this month we are going to be talking about
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: Destiny's Way, so if you guys are interested, that's available
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: on our five dollars uh Patreon tier for you guys.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: So with that, I want to wish everyone a great
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: day or night, whatever time and day you were listening
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: or watch it, and we will see you'all next time.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: The Force to be with you