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The Kenny Report | 19 November · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Laura from the Skying You Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me Tonight.
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Speaker 2: I'll check in on airbars Albo's travels and I'll give
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Speaker 2: you an insight into the idiocy and hypocrisy at the
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Speaker 2: UN's Annual Climate Conference. Meanwhile, the Tills our democracy's biggest spenders.
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Speaker 2: They say they're against big money in politics.
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Speaker 1: Say what?
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Speaker 2: A huge focus in the US now on Donald Trump's agenda,
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Speaker 2: even though he won't be back in the White House
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Speaker 2: for another two months.
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Speaker 1: I'll catch up with Kristen Tate.
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Speaker 2: Tim Blair joins me too to talk about nutty protesters,
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Speaker 2: plus Susio O'Brien and Steven Sena Tiempo on the immigration debate.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Let's start today with politics and money.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, campaign donations, campaign spending and democracy.
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Speaker 1: There are changes afoot.
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Speaker 2: But I want to show you why I nearly fell
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Speaker 2: off the couch last night when I saw a teal
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Speaker 2: MP on the ABC say this.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we.
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Speaker 3: Need to get big money out of politics, and we
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Speaker 3: need to make some changes, and electoral reform is a
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Speaker 3: good thing. So transparency, real time disclosure, lowering the disclosure thresholds,
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Speaker 3: all of those things I support forms of caps maybe,
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Speaker 3: but not if they entrench the major parties.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you heard it right, a Teal MP saying we
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Speaker 2: need to get the big money out of politics.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we need to get big money out of politics.
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Speaker 3: So we need to get big money out of politics.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, get the big money out, she said.
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Speaker 2: Now, the reason that that's a stunning call is because
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Speaker 2: the tilS are the very embodiment of big money in politics.
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Speaker 2: They are in Parliament because of big money in politics.
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Speaker 2: They're backed, organized, advised and funded by Climate two hundred,
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Speaker 2: the political slush fund run by the millionaire son of
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Speaker 2: a billionaire, Simon Holmes a Court.
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Speaker 1: As The Australian Financial.
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Speaker 2: Review has reported, the TILL candidates spent almost ten million
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Speaker 2: dollars on their campaigns.
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Speaker 1: At the last election.
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Speaker 2: Wentworth's Allegora spender topped the official list of all candidates
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Speaker 2: across the country, spending more than two point one million
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Speaker 2: dollars to win the former Liberal seat.
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Speaker 1: In second place, also spending.
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Speaker 2: More than two million dollars at the twenty twenty two
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Speaker 2: election was Monique Ryan, who took the seat of Couyong
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Speaker 2: off the Liberal treasurer at the time, Josh Friedenberg. And
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Speaker 2: then in third place nationally was Zoey Daniel herself.
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Speaker 1: The one who now claims to be against big money
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Speaker 1: in politics.
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Speaker 2: She spent more than one point five million dollars on
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Speaker 2: a single seat, one and a half million dollars to
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Speaker 2: win Goldstein from the Liberals. In fact, the Till candidates
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Speaker 2: took out the top seven places as the biggest spending
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Speaker 2: campaigns across the country, with Sydney MP's Kylier Tink and
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Speaker 2: Sophie Scamps each spending well over a million dollars too
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Speaker 2: also to seat to unseat Liberal MPs all up, the
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Speaker 2: Tills spent nine point six million dollars, while Climbate two
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Speaker 2: hundred raised about nine million dollars for the election and
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Speaker 2: donated about six million of it. Two hundred and fifty
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Speaker 2: thousand of that, by the way, came directly from homes
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Speaker 2: of court. You see, this is the Till's business model.
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Speaker 2: Use big money to run Till colored Greens against Liberal
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Speaker 2: MPs to make the parliament more green left, which helps
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Speaker 2: Labor and the Greens to govern. They use the guilt
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Speaker 2: money of millionaires to run a green left agender and
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Speaker 2: then they have the gall to say this, yeah, so we.
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Speaker 3: Need to get big money out of politics. Yes, so
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Speaker 3: we need to get big money out of politics.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, she says, just as long as it doesn't
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Speaker 2: favor the major parties. In other words, as long as
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Speaker 2: the teals can continue to get their donations while they
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Speaker 2: pretend not to be a party and they tell us
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Speaker 2: they're all about integrity and that they're not being influenced
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Speaker 2: by big money. The more things change in politics, the
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Speaker 2: more they stay the same. Okay, let's skip across to
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Speaker 2: Central Asia and check in on the United Nations Climate
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Speaker 2: Conference COP twenty nine in Baku, Azerbaijan and strap yourselves in.
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Speaker 1: This is a confusing ride.
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Speaker 2: Let's start with nuclear energy, which most developed nations are
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Speaker 2: increasingly turning to because they can't see a way of
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Speaker 2: getting to net zero without nuclear At the last COP
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Speaker 2: twenty five of the world's most successful nations signed up
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Speaker 2: to triple the amount of nuclear p in the world
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Speaker 2: by twenty fifty and at this COP six more countries
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Speaker 2: have signed up, including Turkey and oil rich Nigeria, the
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Speaker 2: most populous nation in Africa, and British Energy Minister Ed
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Speaker 2: Millerban signed an agreement with on Nuclear Energy about nuclear
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Speaker 2: energy and civil use of nuclear power with the United States,
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Speaker 2: and he suggested that Australia, the orcus partner of both nations,
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Speaker 2: might join too. This caused a bit of a stir
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Speaker 2: back in canber had labor finally seen the light on
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Speaker 2: nuclear and decided to join the modern world.
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Speaker 4: The UK Labor government has stated the agreement is and
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Speaker 4: I quote expected to also be signed by Australia and
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Speaker 4: it will quote speed up the deployment of cutting edge
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Speaker 4: nuclear technology to help decarbonize industry and boost energy security.
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Speaker 4: Can the acting Prime Minister confirm Australia will sign this
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Speaker 4: civil nuclear reactor agreement?
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Speaker 1: Well, no such luck.
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Speaker 2: The Albanezi labor government was having none of this and
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Speaker 2: was sticking to its nineteen seventies era anti nuclear rhetoric.
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Speaker 5: I can confirm that the Australian government will not be
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Speaker 5: signing that agreement. For Australia, pursuing a path of nuclear
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Speaker 5: energy would represent pursuing the single most expensive electricity on
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Speaker 5: the planet.
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Speaker 2: They've got to hide, haven't they talking about costs when
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Speaker 2: they keep pushing our power prices up, not down with
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Speaker 2: their world first renewables experiment, which is estimated to cost
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Speaker 2: more than six hundred billion dollars.
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Speaker 1: But there we are.
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Speaker 2: That's the nature of the climate and energy debate, even
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Speaker 2: still in twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 1: It's not so much about facts and engineering.
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Speaker 2: It's more about emotions and ideology.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to Baccu.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all the usual types are there in Baku at
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Speaker 2: the moment, and as usual, there are complaints. As I
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Speaker 2: mentioned last week, critics didn't like the fact that Azerbaijan
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Speaker 2: is an oil and gas exporter, or that it considers
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Speaker 2: these natural resources a gift from God. At least the
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Speaker 2: controversy has kept some annoying activists away.
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Speaker 6: Going to Azerbaijan to COP it is extreme hypocrisy of
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Speaker 6: the URONF Triple C to let's yet another authoritarian prectural
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Speaker 6: states and regime.
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Speaker 7: No host the COP.
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Speaker 1: That's going to be a relief for some of them.
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Speaker 1: I'd reckon or maybe Greta wouldn't be welcome.
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Speaker 2: There anyway, because when you have a look at this
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Speaker 2: official video COP twenty nine looks a little bloky.
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Speaker 1: I need a bit more of that Donald Trump dancing.
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Speaker 2: Still, there was nothing that was going to keep some
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Speaker 2: of the Korea Climate Alamas away, even if that's been
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Speaker 2: upset yet again by a United states election result. Do
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Speaker 2: not be discouraged by any temporary political setbacks.
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Speaker 1: We have to do this, We have no choice. We
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Speaker 1: can do this. We have the technologies, the models, the policies.
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Speaker 8: We know what works.
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Speaker 2: And if you doubt for one moment that if we
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Speaker 2: have the political will necessary, remember political will is itself
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Speaker 2: a renewable resource.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very.
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Speaker 2: Much, Poor old al goole. He just recycles the same
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Speaker 2: old stuff. That's the inconvenient truth and truth benign. There's
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Speaker 2: a lot of nutty stuff at these climate took fists
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Speaker 2: from a guru's woods of wisdom. I'm ascot, I'm here
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Speaker 2: in Baku, Azerbaijan.
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Speaker 1: Well this is my first outing. I have to that
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Speaker 1: he would hop my brain.
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Speaker 2: To an American politician who seems to be making up
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Speaker 2: the meteorology and climatology as she goes.
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Speaker 9: The weather is changing, the floods, the flooding, the heat islands,
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Speaker 9: all the climate issues and changes that are happening in
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Speaker 9: front of all of us. There will be a point
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Speaker 9: where no one can deny it. We're almost there now
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Speaker 9: because summers are gone, and on the East coast, where
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Speaker 9: you have four seasons, we're down to maybe one.
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Speaker 7: Or two.
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Speaker 2: Really no more seasons on the East coast of America
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Speaker 2: one season. The thing is that this talk fast is
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Speaker 2: like a honeypot to activists and virtue signalers from every
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Speaker 2: corner of the globe have a listened to this pair.
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Speaker 1: Therefore, come hour was it together?
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Speaker 10: Oh, it was such a happening exciting There at les
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Speaker 10: Soil signed at mu with Ministry of Ecology of Uzbekistan.
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Speaker 7: And the latest campaigner are running handprints for soil.
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Speaker 11: We unveiled a seven hundred handprint chain which came from
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Speaker 11: quary five different countries.
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Speaker 2: As well a seven hundred handprint chain. Wow, changing the
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Speaker 2: world one handprint at a time. But when it comes
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Speaker 2: to sanctimony on climate, few things beat the vegans, the
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Speaker 2: animal rights crusaders.
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Speaker 1: And the vegan zealots.
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Speaker 2: The UK is taking this stuff so seriously that it
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Speaker 2: put on a special vegan dinner at its embassy in
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Speaker 2: Geneva to mark the COP twenty nine talks Saving the
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Speaker 2: Planet one vegan cocktail party at a time. But in Baku,
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Speaker 2: where the cabbage really hits the road, there was consternation
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Speaker 2: from some activists that the labeling of vegetarian and vegan
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Speaker 2: foods was all wrong.
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Speaker 12: COP twenty nine has taken huge steps in the wrong direction.
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Speaker 12: We notice there's a huge problem with mislabeling food. There's
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Speaker 12: salmon in a dish labeled vegan. There's beef and a
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Speaker 12: dislabeled vegetarian. What is going on?
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Speaker 1: Okay, I want to point something out.
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Speaker 13: It says vegan bagel and that's fetter Chooesn't it.
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Speaker 2: Such a scandal. I want to make the world better,
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Speaker 2: ban the fetter. But this vegan push is deadly serious.
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Speaker 2: At COP twenty nine, some were pushing to get us
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Speaker 2: all off meat and other animal proteins, and that they
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Speaker 2: reckon taxes should be in introduce to help us make
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Speaker 2: that switch.
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Speaker 1: These are our demands.
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Speaker 7: We believe that nine A, U and F Triple C
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Speaker 7: conferences thereafter can only be successful if the closing statement
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Speaker 7: includes transitioning away from animal protein over consumption according to
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Speaker 7: national or global dietary guidelines by implementing greenhouse gas emission
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Speaker 7: pricing mechanisms in agri food systems.
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Speaker 1: These people are just so miserable, aren't they? Authoritarian?
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Speaker 2: Which is why I was glad to find that one
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Speaker 2: blow had turned up to highlight their hypocrisy. Because while
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Speaker 2: these people talk the talk, they don't walk the walk.
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Speaker 14: My profile speakers talked about meat rationing and a meat
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Speaker 14: tax and how the danger that agriculture and farmers were
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Speaker 14: doing to the climate summit. Well, guess what at this
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Speaker 14: UN Climate summit. You can see right there, they're serving
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Speaker 14: chief hotdogs, They're serving burgers. I have the menus here,
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Speaker 14: me is here, and I have not noticed any kind
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Speaker 14: of meat tax additional on the food.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, hot dogs and burgers and no extra tax, no
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Speaker 2: climate tax on the COP twenty nine food menu.
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Speaker 1: But it gets worse.
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Speaker 2: These virtue signalers who travel the world to tell the
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Speaker 2: rest of us not to travel, who live high on
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Speaker 2: the hog while telling the rest of us to live
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Speaker 2: simpler lives, Well, just have a look at what they
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Speaker 2: choose to do when they're presented with the planet destroying
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Speaker 2: option of eating meat or.
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Speaker 1: The climate conscious option of eating vegan.
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Speaker 15: There is a.
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Speaker 16: Line at twenty nine foot pot for the buffet serving meat,
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Speaker 16: another buffet serving meat, and there is the vegan only restaurant.
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Speaker 16: Does it quite look like the same amount of interest
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Speaker 16: by the UN delegation here?
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Speaker 1: Just brilliant, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: Virtue signaling exposed They failed the test of conviction failed
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Speaker 2: the authenticity, but they passed the test of common sense.
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Speaker 1: I suppose let's call it the Burger test.
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Speaker 2: They were exposed by tool Beef Patty's sanctamony source sawfishness
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Speaker 2: and hypocrisy on a virtue signaling bun.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I'd love to be in Bak.
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Speaker 2: Who I've got to get Sky to send me to
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Speaker 2: the next COP meeting. We've got to go and expose
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Speaker 2: these people every day. Let's cross the Canberra and now
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Speaker 2: I'll catch up with Liberal MP Zoey mackenzie.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Zoey. Big day in Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Not too much of a focus on Baku and the
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Speaker 2: COP conference, although Labor under fire for not signing up
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Speaker 2: to this new domestic or civilian nuclear energy agreement with
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Speaker 2: the UK.
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Speaker 17: And US, although it looked a little bit like had
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Speaker 17: signed up and then whoopsie better not sign up. So
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Speaker 17: obviously there was a draft, in fact an issued statement
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Speaker 17: that had Australia named in it as are committed to
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Speaker 17: a future nuclear energy in Australia, and then somehow it
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Speaker 17: got scrubbed overnight and now it doesn't mention.
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Speaker 18: Australia at all.
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Speaker 17: So Labour's got a very clear position, which is nuclear energy,
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Speaker 17: nuclear power. Nuclear actors are great next to the heads
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Speaker 17: of our sailors and sub mariners, but not so great
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Speaker 17: if they're powering Australian industry on the mainland.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just embarrassing for them.
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Speaker 2: It makes them looks like a bunch of troglodytes, and
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Speaker 2: the UK and the US must be very confused by
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Speaker 2: our nuclear good nuclear bad positioning. Now back home though,
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Speaker 2: there's been a big focus on immigration.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: This is something that your party the opposition has been
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Speaker 2: driving for a long while. Immigration is out of control
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Speaker 2: and the government has proposed this cap on foreign students
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Speaker 2: to bring it under control. Why on earth wouldn't the
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Speaker 2: coalitions support this given you've been arguing to cap these
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Speaker 2: numbers for so many months.
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Speaker 1: So I think what you.
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Speaker 17: Need to do, Chris, is just take it back. We've
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Speaker 17: had net migration of a million people since this government
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Speaker 17: was elected, but only three hundred and fifty thousand new
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Speaker 17: houses built. We have always said this is about pressure
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Speaker 17: on housing stock, pressure on rental stock, and what Peter
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Speaker 17: Dutton said some time ago now was that he would
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Speaker 17: sit down with the universities and work out what was
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Speaker 17: an appropriate level that we could actually take into this country.
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Speaker 17: We are firm believers in international education. It is a
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Speaker 17: thriving Australian export. But it must be done carefully and
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Speaker 17: in moderation, and in lockstep with investment on infrastructure. You
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Speaker 17: have to remember this is the government that's actually cut infrastructure.
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Speaker 17: I lost two hundred and twenty five million dollars for
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Speaker 17: a rail line and seventy five million dollars for a
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Speaker 17: freeway overpass.
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Speaker 1: But hang on a second, let me interrupt me keep, let.
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Speaker 2: Me interrupt Zoe mackenzie. There is too much immigration. It's
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Speaker 2: too high now. That's what Peter Dutton has been saying.
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Speaker 2: Even Labor admits that now you cannot reduce immigration in
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Speaker 2: this country without reducing the number of international students.
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Speaker 1: It's not the only of more needs to be done.
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Speaker 2: But why wouldn't the coalitions support a cap on foreign.
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Speaker 17: Students Because the way they've gone about it is absolute chaos.
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Speaker 17: I have had universities on my doorstep in hysterics, regional
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Speaker 17: and city based university saying the first time they knew
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Speaker 17: what their cap was going to be was the day
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Speaker 17: they turned turned up to give evidence in a Senate
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Speaker 17: inquiry about the impact of these new laws. It has
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Speaker 17: been so cackhanded from a government that also gave you
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Speaker 17: n zyq mind you, and hundreds of detainees roaming around
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Speaker 17: the country had been convicted of murders or sexual assaults.
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Speaker 17: The same people that gave you two and a half
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Speaker 17: thousand tourist visas for people coming from a war zone
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Speaker 17: in the Middle East. It has been one crisis after
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Speaker 17: another in this portfolio for the Albanese government, and frankly,
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Speaker 17: this is just another example of how they can't manage
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Speaker 17: their own lunchbox.
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Speaker 1: You can't run those carefully. They are a shocking government.
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Speaker 2: You can't run the government for them, but you can
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Speaker 2: vote with them to give them a tool that would
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Speaker 2: be used to use when it comes to immigration. Otherwise
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Speaker 2: you have the Education Minister, Jason Clair making a claim
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Speaker 2: like this. Never in my life did I expect to
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Speaker 2: see this opposition leader get into bed with the Greens
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Speaker 2: on immigration, but.
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Speaker 1: That is exactly what is happening.
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Speaker 2: He's right, isn't he, Zoey Mackenzie, You'll be voting with
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Speaker 2: the Greens to block this legislation.
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Speaker 17: I don't think that's by design. Chris. I only found
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Speaker 17: out that the Greens were also opposed to it when
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Speaker 17: I looked up the legislation this afternoon to work out
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Speaker 17: where it was at in the chambers. But nevertheless, Peter
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Speaker 17: has been very clear on what is a responsible migration policy,
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Speaker 17: and that is to reduce net migration to one hundred
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Speaker 17: and forty thousand in years one and year two, one
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Speaker 17: hundred and fifty thousand in year three and one hundred
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Speaker 17: and sixty year four. But we will do that methodologically
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Speaker 17: and in lockstep with infrastructure planning, not this chaos that
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Speaker 17: we have seen across the portfolio for two years.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Zoey mackenzie, I appreciate and Zoey McKenzie,
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Speaker 2: the Liberal member for Flinders in Victoria, joining us live
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Speaker 2: from Canberra. Will hear much more about this debate in
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Speaker 2: the days, weeks and even months to come. Let's get
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Speaker 2: back to what the Prime Minister's been up to. Anthony
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Speaker 2: Alberanezi has been in Peru and Brazil. He's been at
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Speaker 2: the G twenty in Brazil, he got to meet with Shijiping,
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Speaker 2: among others. Let's catch up with Michael Schubridge from Strategic
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Speaker 2: Analysis Australia, joining us again from Canberra.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Michael, the meeting with the Jiji Ping.
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Speaker 2: It seems strange to hear what Albo was telling us
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Speaker 2: was in and was out of those conversations.
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Speaker 11: What's your take on it, Well, Chris, mister Alberanezi gets
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Speaker 11: effusive when he sees Shu Jingping, so he was all
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Speaker 11: over himself thanking him for the hospitality she gave him
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Speaker 11: in Beijing, and then seemed to spend his time talking
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Speaker 11: up growing trade between Australia and China. And this is
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Speaker 11: part of his his crusade at the G twenty where
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Speaker 11: mister Alberanzi sees himself as the new global champion of
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Speaker 11: free trade at just the wrong moment in world history.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very strange to see how almost sick of
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Speaker 2: fantakey is to the Chinese leader here is Anthony Albanesi.
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Speaker 1: After the meeting, we're.
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Speaker 15: Resumed a range of dialogues and the tempo of bilateral
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Speaker 15: visits is increasing. Trade is flowing more freely to the
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Speaker 15: benefit of both countries and to people and businesses on
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Speaker 15: both sides. Our whole regional benefit from the prosperity that
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Speaker 15: can flow from peace, security and stability in our region.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was actually Anthony Albanesi in the preliminaries of
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Speaker 2: the meeting. Let's jump ahead and have a look at
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Speaker 2: what Albo said afterwards when he was asked whether or
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Speaker 2: not he raised the issue of a possible Trump Mark
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Speaker 2: II increasing tariffs.
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Speaker 1: President g.
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Speaker 8: Did you sort of speak by the directly, directly about
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Speaker 8: Donald Trump's tariff tramp plans?
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Speaker 2: And he was, and he was sort of greposition that
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Speaker 2: they're not a good idea that come up?
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Speaker 1: No at all? Was already discussion at all how the Trump.
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Speaker 8: Administration as such, whether because you've said you were about
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Speaker 8: regional or international peace, did that come up?
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Speaker 16: What the Trump.
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Speaker 1: Administration might mean for that? No, Michael, how could this be?
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Speaker 2: How could he have a meeting with she and not
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Speaker 2: talk about the looming Trump administration and certainly.
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Speaker 1: Not talk about what that might do to world trade?
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Speaker 11: Well, it is gobsmacking, isn't it? Because remember, he's meant
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Speaker 11: to have these leader to leader meetings so they can
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Speaker 11: have honest and direct conversations with each other. And if
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Speaker 11: that global economic issue doesn't cut the mustard, you've got
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Speaker 11: to wonder what does. But she has inflicted a case
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Speaker 11: of gastric reflux on the leaders of the G twenty
21:57
Speaker 11: was back in twenty seventeen, under Trump's first term that
22:01
Speaker 11: she last pretended he was going to be the savior
22:04
Speaker 11: of the global economy and a free trade He.
22:07
Speaker 1: Didn't do that.
22:08
Speaker 11: Then he did the opposite, and now he is back
22:11
Speaker 11: selling the same old lies to everybody, and mister Alberinizi
22:15
Speaker 11: seems to believe him. He seems to think they're going
22:17
Speaker 11: to be best trade buddies. Confronting Trump's policy.
22:22
Speaker 2: Just briefly, though, how awkward is it for Anthony Albinezi
22:24
Speaker 2: to being praised by China at the moment that China's
22:28
Speaker 2: saying everybody should behave like Australia.
22:31
Speaker 1: It looks like we're the lapdog now.
22:33
Speaker 2: At the same time, we're worried about tensions in Washington
22:36
Speaker 2: because they don't like Kevin rud as the ambassador.
22:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is crazy.
22:42
Speaker 11: I mean, the EU are in an arm wrestler with
22:44
Speaker 11: Beijing because Beijing is trying to kill Europe's car industry.
22:48
Speaker 11: It's already killed its renewable industry, and Washington is obviously
22:53
Speaker 11: on course to do more of what Trump did in
22:56
Speaker 11: his first term. We all know that this is the
22:59
Speaker 11: wrong time for alban easy to be looking like he's
23:03
Speaker 11: Shi Jinping's best friend on trade and economics.
23:07
Speaker 1: Indeed, thanks so much for joining us, Michael.
23:09
Speaker 2: I appreciate Michael Schubridge there telling it how it is
23:12
Speaker 2: from Canberra. We're going to a break on the other
23:14
Speaker 2: side of catch up with Tim Blair. Talk to him
23:16
Speaker 2: about nutty protesters and also more on this energy mess
23:19
Speaker 2: blackout bond.
23:20
Speaker 1: He's in Baku, look out, don't forget.
23:28
Speaker 2: We'll cross to christ Christian Tates in the US later
23:31
Speaker 2: in the program, but let's catch up with Tim Blair
23:33
Speaker 2: now from the Daily Telegraph.
23:34
Speaker 1: He joins us from Western Victoria.
23:37
Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, Tim. Loving your latest column,
23:40
Speaker 2: you've pointed out that the crazy activists have brought in
23:43
Speaker 2: lots of bad ideas from the US to Australia, but
23:47
Speaker 2: you reckon we've sent one back.
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Speaker 19: Yes, despite surprise of you people. But the whole welcome
23:53
Speaker 19: to country thing, which you'd think that there would have
23:55
Speaker 19: been a natural sort of part of that in the
23:56
Speaker 19: US with Native Americans that would have had their equivalent.
23:59
Speaker 19: They're only just now catching up. They're actually they're actually
24:01
Speaker 19: importing our welcome to country to American and Canadian audiences.
24:07
Speaker 19: So this is occurring. But there's a real sort of
24:10
Speaker 19: cute aspect of this is that Native Americans overwhelmingly voted
24:15
Speaker 19: for Donald Trump. So when they're having these ceremonies and
24:18
Speaker 19: when they say, you know, we really love you guys,
24:20
Speaker 19: and you know, we're sorry for cearlier country, they're talking
24:22
Speaker 19: to people who voted for Trump, about sixty percent of
24:25
Speaker 19: Native American voters. So it's a bit of a twist
24:27
Speaker 19: to the story.
24:27
Speaker 2: When it comes to indigenous politics. There's been a lot
24:30
Speaker 2: of swapping back and forth with America and Australia and other.
24:33
Speaker 1: Parts of the world. Whole.
24:33
Speaker 2: The whole First Nations thing, for instance, is an americanism
24:37
Speaker 2: that's been adopted here.
24:38
Speaker 1: But as you say that.
24:39
Speaker 2: Welcomes to country, I reckon have gone back the other way.
24:41
Speaker 2: We've got a good example here from Microsoft, which is
24:45
Speaker 2: headquartered up there in Washington State near Seattle.
24:48
Speaker 20: First, we want to acknowledge that the land or the
24:52
Speaker 20: Microsoft campus is situated was traditionally occupied by the Samamish,
24:57
Speaker 20: the dow Wamish, the snow Kwalmi, the Suquamish, the Muckleshoot,
25:02
Speaker 20: the Snowhlemish, the tu Leila, and other Coast Salish peoples
25:07
Speaker 20: since time immemorial.
25:10
Speaker 2: It's a lot of people there, a lot of different
25:12
Speaker 2: people on one location there, Tim.
25:16
Speaker 19: Yeah, you want to you want to run through the
25:18
Speaker 19: memory test there? Which was the first tribe you mentioned.
25:21
Speaker 19: No one's ever going to remember that.
25:24
Speaker 2: Now, speaking of nutty activists, there's a lot of preparation
25:28
Speaker 2: going on in the port of Newcastle in coming days.
25:30
Speaker 2: We've focused on this protest. The Supreme Court's ruled against it.
25:34
Speaker 2: They're not allowed to get out there again as you
25:36
Speaker 2: see there.
25:37
Speaker 1: In the past on their kayaks, and they like.
25:39
Speaker 2: To try and stop what is the world's busiest coal
25:42
Speaker 2: exporting port. And we've had a look at their agenda
25:46
Speaker 2: and some of the stuff that they plan for everyone
25:49
Speaker 2: to prepare for the for the weekend is hilarious.
25:52
Speaker 1: They have morning yoga and exercise.
25:54
Speaker 2: Of course, you've got to stretch out before you wrestle
25:57
Speaker 2: with the coppers. Non violent direct action training helping to
26:01
Speaker 2: build a strong culture for a safe and effective nonviolent resistance.
26:04
Speaker 2: And they have decolonizing activism, a compassionate space to explore
26:10
Speaker 2: unspoken topics around race and exclusion to grow the climate
26:14
Speaker 2: justice movement, and we.
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Speaker 1: Need ever Tim you're the one who should be going
26:17
Speaker 1: up there.
26:18
Speaker 2: They should have a session, yes with you, so they
26:20
Speaker 2: can learn to develop the responses to the counter arguments.
26:24
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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Speaker 19: I would also introduce, in my capacity as a climate
26:28
Speaker 19: advisor to these activists, two things. I I would introduce
26:31
Speaker 19: a policing of their materials. So as the various protesters
26:35
Speaker 19: are arriving, we would examine, for example, their paddles for
26:39
Speaker 19: evidence of them being constructed using fossil fuels, plastics, fiberglass.
26:44
Speaker 19: All the various things that are put together using that
26:46
Speaker 19: would be excluded. They wouldn't be able to use it evos.
26:49
Speaker 19: The second thing I would do regarding decolonization, once you
26:52
Speaker 19: get in your approved canoe, just keep going away from
26:56
Speaker 19: the country because you know you don't belong here. You
26:59
Speaker 19: say you don't belong here. Let's see you prove it.
27:01
Speaker 2: Get your plastic kayak and paddle out the sea. Go
27:04
Speaker 2: back to where you came from. I suppose is the
27:06
Speaker 2: now there's we haven't.
27:07
Speaker 1: Got a graphic for this, but there's another item. I
27:09
Speaker 1: noticed one night. They've got an open mic night, and.
27:12
Speaker 2: If you've gone, they say, if you've got a song
27:15
Speaker 2: or a poem, come and get up in front of
27:17
Speaker 2: the Now that's going to be some high quality millorial.
27:22
Speaker 19: A few years ago I went to an open mic
27:23
Speaker 19: night at comedy night at an inner city Sydney council
27:28
Speaker 19: building and it was great because on the walls they had,
27:32
Speaker 19: you know, the Palestinian flag because they're ride on with that,
27:35
Speaker 19: and then of course the gay Pride flag, and they
27:37
Speaker 19: kept those two a little bit separate because you didn't
27:39
Speaker 19: want any nastiness to happen. That would have been a
27:41
Speaker 19: bit unpleasant on the night.
27:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they can rest assured.
27:45
Speaker 2: There's another development in the state of New South Wales
27:47
Speaker 2: where these these protesters can be rest assured that sixteen
27:51
Speaker 2: million dollars is going to be spent by the New
27:52
Speaker 2: South Wales government.
27:53
Speaker 1: So that's some of those cole royalties.
27:56
Speaker 2: That money is being spent on putting in some EV
27:59
Speaker 2: charges all around the state so that people with evs
28:02
Speaker 2: can then charge their cars with coal fired electricity.
28:06
Speaker 1: It's a virtuous circle.
28:08
Speaker 19: I like how people in the inner West in Sydney
28:11
Speaker 19: are suffering from range anxiety, like seriously, cant out and walk.
28:16
Speaker 19: You don't have that much space. It's not a big
28:19
Speaker 19: concern you, I mean, must of those people don't even
28:20
Speaker 19: have garages. For God's sake, they kind of you call
28:24
Speaker 19: it of urban rats or something so like, if you're
28:26
Speaker 19: complaining about range anxiety there, God forbid. If you never
28:30
Speaker 19: leave that leaves Sydney.
28:32
Speaker 2: God forbid you ever should ever leaeve and move to
28:35
Speaker 2: the Wiver and move in next door.
28:38
Speaker 1: It's it's simply great to talk to you. We'll speak
28:41
Speaker 1: later in the week. We're going to get to a break.
28:43
Speaker 2: On the other side of that, we run across to
28:45
Speaker 2: the US. I'll catch up with Kristen Tape because Donald
28:47
Speaker 2: Trump's confirming he's going to bring in the military to
28:50
Speaker 2: help with his deportation.
28:52
Speaker 1: Of illegal immigrants.
28:57
Speaker 2: Donald Trump has taken to social media plans to declare
29:01
Speaker 2: a state of national emergency and use the military to
29:05
Speaker 2: forcibly deport illegal immigrants. Now, with some viewing this plan
29:09
Speaker 2: with trepidation, I checked in with Kristen tit.
29:13
Speaker 13: This is one of those issues, Chris, that the media
29:15
Speaker 13: is having a meltdown over, but average Americans fully support this.
29:19
Speaker 13: Even most Democrat voters I talk to want this to happen.
29:24
Speaker 13: In fact, a majority of all voters fifty four percent
29:27
Speaker 13: prior to the election, said that they support mass deportations.
29:30
Speaker 13: I'm up in Boston, very far away from the border,
29:33
Speaker 13: and everyone's talking about unchecked immigration here and how it's
29:37
Speaker 13: impacting us up in Boston. So every US city is
29:40
Speaker 13: now a border town at this point, and Americans want
29:44
Speaker 13: the deportations, they support it.
29:47
Speaker 2: Yet there are other politicians and civic leaders who are
29:51
Speaker 2: resisting this. In Boston where we are now, the mayor
29:54
Speaker 2: has said this.
29:55
Speaker 10: What we can do is make sure that we are
29:58
Speaker 10: doing our part to protect our residences in every possible way,
30:01
Speaker 10: that we are not cooperating with those efforts that actually
30:05
Speaker 10: threaten the safety of everyone by causing widespread fear.
30:09
Speaker 2: So she's not cooperating with what Donald Trump plans to do.
30:12
Speaker 2: Who's going to win this battle of wills?
30:16
Speaker 13: Well, you know, I will just say she's out of
30:18
Speaker 13: step with her own voters. Donald Trump flipped many communities
30:22
Speaker 13: here in Massachusetts that went for Biden in twenty twenty.
30:25
Speaker 13: He significantly increased his share of the popular vote here.
30:28
Speaker 13: And it's because of immigration, Chris. Everyone I talked to
30:31
Speaker 13: you says they went out and voted on this issue.
30:34
Speaker 13: If they voted for Trump.
30:35
Speaker 2: Another area where he's got to clear mandate because he
30:38
Speaker 2: intimated this before the election. That is the installation of
30:41
Speaker 2: rfk Jr. Into the health portfolio. Let's have a look
30:45
Speaker 2: at what rfk Jr. Has said about some of these
30:48
Speaker 2: health issues in the past.
30:51
Speaker 10: There's no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective.
30:54
Speaker 15: I do believe that autism does come from vaccines.
30:57
Speaker 1: They're putting in five G.
31:01
Speaker 18: Harvest our data, control our behavior, Kristin.
31:05
Speaker 2: He looks like being the most radical appointment, doesn't he,
31:09
Speaker 2: And it could lead to all sorts of battles around
31:11
Speaker 2: the country when you're talking about vaccines, when you're talking
31:14
Speaker 2: about chlorine and water supplies.
31:16
Speaker 13: I know his vaccine stance is more controversial, but on
31:19
Speaker 13: the core issues of health in terms of eating healthy, exercise,
31:23
Speaker 13: replacing pills, and the addiction to medications in this country,
31:27
Speaker 13: with common sense again just putting good food in the
31:30
Speaker 13: bodies of our children. This is actually a message that's
31:33
Speaker 13: kind of galvanizing. So of course the media is going
31:35
Speaker 13: to glom onto his controversial statements about vaccines, but when
31:40
Speaker 13: you look at the core of what he will be
31:42
Speaker 13: dealing with in this role, it's actually just a lot
31:45
Speaker 13: of common sense.
31:46
Speaker 1: Yeah.
31:47
Speaker 2: Coincidentally, his cousin Caroline Kennedy, who has been serving as
31:51
Speaker 2: the US Ambassador to Australia. She gave a fair well
31:54
Speaker 2: speech effectively yesterday. He is what she had to say.
31:58
Speaker 18: I think Bobby Kennedy on vaccines are dangerous, but I
32:04
Speaker 18: don't think that most Americans share them. You know, I
32:07
Speaker 18: grew up with him, so I've known all this for
32:10
Speaker 18: a long time and others are just getting to know him.
32:16
Speaker 1: Yeah.
32:16
Speaker 2: So well, they can have that debate over Christmas dinner
32:19
Speaker 2: up your way when they will get together up there
32:21
Speaker 2: in Massachusetts over Christmas.
32:23
Speaker 1: The Kennedy Klan.
32:24
Speaker 2: I want to get onto more reactions to what's happened
32:28
Speaker 2: with the election. And there's this classics bit of television
32:32
Speaker 2: from an MSNBC shocking lefty outfit as we all know,
32:36
Speaker 2: and a couple of their Morning presenters actually went to
32:39
Speaker 2: Mara Lago and had a meeting, not an interview, but
32:42
Speaker 2: just a meeting with President Trump or President elector Trump.
32:45
Speaker 1: Here's how they announced it to their audience.
32:48
Speaker 21: Joe and I went to Mara a Lago to meet
32:51
Speaker 21: personally with President elect Trump. It was the first time
32:56
Speaker 21: we have seen him in seven years.
33:00
Speaker 14: We talked about a lot of issues, including abortion, mass deportation,
33:04
Speaker 14: threats of political retribution against political opponents and media outlets.
33:08
Speaker 1: We talked about that a good bit.
33:11
Speaker 2: Now, Kristen, to most of us, this would seem pretty sensible.
33:14
Speaker 2: You want to talk to the incombing president, you want
33:17
Speaker 2: to hope that maybe in the future you get to
33:19
Speaker 2: interview him. But how to look at some of the
33:21
Speaker 2: reactions some of the colleagues of these two on MSNBC
33:25
Speaker 2: you have said it's cowardice, as disgusting and but frankly unsurprising,
33:30
Speaker 2: said one of them. And another person's gone on to
33:33
Speaker 2: X and said normalizing Trump is a bad idea period
33:38
Speaker 2: normalizing the president elected. These people have lost their minds
33:43
Speaker 2: having that, Kristen, of course they have.
33:46
Speaker 13: But I will say that these Morning Joe hosts were
33:49
Speaker 13: screaming loudly for years insisting to their viewers that Donald
33:53
Speaker 13: Trump was a Nazi fascist. Well guess what if they
33:56
Speaker 13: truly believed he was a Nazi fascist, would they be
33:59
Speaker 13: going to his meeting with him? Of course not.
34:02
Speaker 1: The purity points lied.
34:04
Speaker 13: They lied to their viewers. And that's why, Chris, when
34:07
Speaker 13: I go on Twitter and I see their viewers angry
34:09
Speaker 13: at them, I don't really blame the viewers they relied
34:12
Speaker 13: to four years into believing that Donald Trump was some
34:14
Speaker 13: sort of racist dictator. Guess what, it was a lie.
34:18
Speaker 13: And these Morning Joe hosts Nika and Joe contributed to
34:22
Speaker 13: the rhetoric in this country that led to Donald Trump
34:24
Speaker 13: getting shot. They should be ashamed. They should apologize, But
34:28
Speaker 13: I'm not going to hold my breath for an apology.
34:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right.
34:32
Speaker 2: The hypocrisy is strong, and they should apologize, not just
34:34
Speaker 2: say they've had the meeting, but apologize and admit that
34:37
Speaker 2: they're wrong. To start with, I do again admire. You're
34:41
Speaker 2: going to admire the genius of Donald Trump though, making
34:44
Speaker 2: them go down there his place, come down to Florida,
34:48
Speaker 2: you know, Bell and colt out to me and then
34:51
Speaker 2: maybe I'll talk to you in the future, but perhaps
34:53
Speaker 2: maybe not. Meanwhile, of course, there is a president. The
34:57
Speaker 2: White House is occupied by Joe Biden. Nobody seems very
35:01
Speaker 2: interested in what he's got to say anymore, least of
35:04
Speaker 2: all himself. He doesn't seem to be too interested in that.
35:08
Speaker 2: Have a look at him in Brazil just yesterday.
35:11
Speaker 1: Thank you very very much.
35:28
Speaker 2: And there you guys, Christen wondering off into the jungle.
35:30
Speaker 1: Did they find him?
35:33
Speaker 13: Oh man, I don't know. I watched these clips and
35:36
Speaker 13: it just it blows. This is the biggest scandal in
35:40
Speaker 13: modern political history, Chris, the fact that we have a
35:43
Speaker 13: president of the United States who's a vegetable and the
35:46
Speaker 13: media looks at that and they just yell and they go,
35:48
Speaker 13: oh whatever, Yeah, we know, nobody cares. This is a
35:52
Speaker 13: huge scandal. This is dangerous in the country and our
35:55
Speaker 13: national security, and nobody seems to care.
35:59
Speaker 2: Whoa because just like those Morning Joe hosts you mentioned,
36:03
Speaker 2: they're all complicit.
36:04
Speaker 1: They are all covering for him for so long.
36:07
Speaker 2: They're all making excuses, and for them to get upset
36:10
Speaker 2: about this now they'd have to admit their own errors.
36:12
Speaker 2: You are so spot on. Thanks for joining us, Kristen.
36:15
Speaker 2: We'll catch up next week.
36:17
Speaker 13: Thank you, Chris.
36:19
Speaker 1: Kristen Tate there in the US. She's all over now.
36:22
Speaker 2: On the other side of the break, going to catch
36:23
Speaker 2: up with sus O, Brian and Stephen sene Tiempo talk
36:25
Speaker 2: about the immigration debate heating up again. Also Susie's investigation
36:29
Speaker 2: into the Victorian exam bungle.
36:32
Speaker 1: You won't believe.
36:33
Speaker 2: How badly they stuffed it up in Victoria. Let's sort
36:41
Speaker 2: it all out now with Susio O'Brien from The Herald
36:43
Speaker 2: Son in Melbourne and Radio two Double Sea Breakfast host
36:46
Speaker 2: in Canberra, Stephen Senna Tiempo.
36:49
Speaker 1: Good to see both of you. Let's start off on.
36:52
Speaker 2: This immigration debate now. You can sort this one out
36:55
Speaker 2: for me, Stephen if you like, because the Coalition have
36:58
Speaker 2: been successfully running an argument for a long while that
37:01
Speaker 2: immigration is out of control. In fact, Labour's admitted that
37:04
Speaker 2: they need to curb it. The Coalition and Peter dunn't
37:07
Speaker 2: have been saying you've got to cap the number of
37:09
Speaker 2: international students as part of any reduction in immigration. Yet
37:13
Speaker 2: now they're going to vote against a cap on international students.
37:17
Speaker 2: It's just is this the Coalition just being oppositioners to
37:21
Speaker 2: deny Labor a small victory on this issue.
37:25
Speaker 8: Look, I think it is Chris So I mean I
37:26
Speaker 8: spoke to Angus Taylor about this this morning and he
37:29
Speaker 8: insists that the bill that's been put before.
37:32
Speaker 1: The Parliament.
37:34
Speaker 8: It benefits the big universities in the cities, but it
37:38
Speaker 8: disadvantages smaller regional universities. I'm not buying that. I think
37:41
Speaker 8: this is the help is being obstructionists. The reality is
37:44
Speaker 8: immigration is out of control and if this is going
37:46
Speaker 8: to put a cap on at least some of that problem.
37:48
Speaker 8: And look, and I'm not buying into this thing that
37:50
Speaker 8: international students are the sole cause of the House. It's
37:53
Speaker 8: only one aspect of it, Yeah, exactly, but it is
37:56
Speaker 8: an aspect and that's the point. And you know it's
37:58
Speaker 8: supporting at least a small step towards fixing the problem.
38:02
Speaker 8: I think is the right thing to do for the opposition.
38:04
Speaker 8: But I think they smell blood in the water and
38:06
Speaker 8: they're going for broke.
38:08
Speaker 1: Yes, Susie.
38:09
Speaker 2: The least cynical assessment I can put on this is
38:12
Speaker 2: that Dan teen and Peter Dutton and the others have
38:15
Speaker 2: got a very big immigration and population policy that they
38:19
Speaker 2: want to announce, as you know, as a cohesive piece
38:22
Speaker 2: of policy, and so what they want to put all
38:25
Speaker 2: in one policy announcement rather than agree with this move
38:30
Speaker 2: along the way.
38:33
Speaker 22: Yeah, you'd think ideologically they'd be supportive of it. We've
38:36
Speaker 22: got some new research that's come out from the A
38:39
Speaker 22: and U today that shows that this, if they are
38:42
Speaker 22: going to be looking at immigration and cuts to immigration,
38:44
Speaker 22: it could be very very popular In just one year
38:47
Speaker 22: this a and demographic research is found support for immigration
38:53
Speaker 22: has gone from or people opposing immigration has gone from
38:57
Speaker 22: quarter of people, sorry, a third of people to half
38:59
Speaker 22: of people. So that's a massive change in just one year.
39:03
Speaker 22: And the good news is that people are actually still
39:05
Speaker 22: supporting multiculturalism eighty five percent, but they really have concerns
39:11
Speaker 22: about the level of immigration. Labour knows it, the oppicit
39:14
Speaker 22: opposition knows it, and nere's going to be more on
39:17
Speaker 22: this from both parties to come.
39:18
Speaker 2: Yeah well, with the cost of living crisis and with
39:21
Speaker 2: a housing crisis, and with energy pricing crisis, and the
39:24
Speaker 2: government admitting that it's not actually able to keep to
39:27
Speaker 2: its own immigration targets.
39:29
Speaker 1: It is a real issue.
39:30
Speaker 2: That's why people are worried about it, and it is
39:32
Speaker 2: a real issue. But the Coalition stance on this international
39:35
Speaker 2: student cap just leads them exposed to this political attack
39:40
Speaker 2: from the Education Minister Jason Clair.
39:43
Speaker 23: You can't talk tough on immigration and then vote against
39:48
Speaker 23: putting a limit on the number of people that come
39:51
Speaker 23: to this country every year. Peter Dutton might pretend to
39:54
Speaker 23: be a tough guy on immigration, but the truth is
39:57
Speaker 23: he's a fraud.
40:00
Speaker 1: Pretty strong line, but I think that's going to resonate.
40:02
Speaker 1: That hurts Peter Dutton a bit.
40:04
Speaker 8: Stephen.
40:04
Speaker 1: I haven't seen Peter.
40:05
Speaker 2: Dutton really have any political blunders or cop much heat
40:10
Speaker 2: of anything plausible in the last year or two. But
40:14
Speaker 2: I think he's going to have to wear this until
40:17
Speaker 2: people know what his plan is. This This is a
40:21
Speaker 2: sort of a political punch.
40:22
Speaker 1: To his jaw.
40:24
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think what he's done is he's allowed
40:26
Speaker 8: labor and now set the agenda for him where obviously
40:29
Speaker 8: and Angus Taylor alluded to this when I've spoken him
40:31
Speaker 8: this morning, that they have got an immigration policy that
40:33
Speaker 8: they're going to release, but it's almost sped up the
40:35
Speaker 8: timeline now where they have no choice but to come
40:38
Speaker 8: out sooner rather than later and tell us what their
40:40
Speaker 8: plan is because they blocked this plan. And as I say, look,
40:43
Speaker 8: there's a lot wrong with this plan and a lot
40:45
Speaker 8: more needs to be done, but they need to come
40:47
Speaker 8: out and say specifically.
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Speaker 1: What it is.
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Speaker 8: Extra needs to be done, and they need to It
40:51
Speaker 8: needs to be a broader look at immigration, not just
40:54
Speaker 8: international students. Because you know, we talk about the housing
40:56
Speaker 8: cristi as, the cost of living crisis, the energy crisis,
40:59
Speaker 8: all of these things are a culmination of a lack
41:02
Speaker 8: of investment in infrastructure for decades by Australian governments that
41:06
Speaker 8: have left us in a position where we can't take
41:08
Speaker 8: the level of immigration that we've got.
41:10
Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 8: Now, I'm not one of these people that's against a
41:12
Speaker 8: big Australia. I mean, we've got plenty of room and
41:14
Speaker 8: if we actually prepare for immigration, we could take a
41:17
Speaker 8: lot more people in than we do, but at the
41:18
Speaker 8: moment we have to take a lot less than we do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's have a quick look at what Peter Dutton
41:22
Speaker 2: had to say.
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Speaker 4: I want Australian kids to get into housing. I don't
41:28
Speaker 4: want to see people forty and fifty deep for rental accommodation.
41:31
Speaker 4: I don't want to see young families who are putting
41:34
Speaker 4: off having kids because they can't afford a house or
41:36
Speaker 4: because they're renting and they can't afford to save the
41:38
Speaker 4: deposit at the same time.
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Speaker 1: And this government has created a huge mess.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll see what plays out there, and I
41:44
Speaker 2: think we'll hear more from the opposition soon about what
41:46
Speaker 2: their plans are.
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Speaker 1: Susie, I wonder if you can help us out with
41:49
Speaker 1: this issue with Bunnings.
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Speaker 2: This is an issue we've talked about in the past,
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Speaker 2: going back probably more than a year, and that is
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Speaker 2: a facial recognition in the supermarkets and retail places and.
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Speaker 1: Whether or you're warned about it.
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Speaker 2: And the Bunnings have been done over because they've been
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Speaker 2: doing this to customers, sort of profiling some of the customers.
42:06
Speaker 2: They don't want people who are allegedly shoplifting and the like.
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Speaker 2: But they've been done for breaching people's privacy. If you've
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Speaker 2: got to do this, we need to be told about.
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Speaker 22: It, right absolutely. I mean they got a big rap
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Speaker 22: over the knuckles from the regulators in New South Wales
42:23
Speaker 22: because they didn't let people know that they were using
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Speaker 22: facial recognition technology. First question, how good is this technology?
42:30
Speaker 22: I mean a friend of mine had too much botox
42:32
Speaker 22: and her phone didn't recognize her. I mean, how good
42:35
Speaker 22: are they this technology when they're using it to assist
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Speaker 22: who they are.
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Speaker 1: Going to let in their store?
42:40
Speaker 22: True story, by the way, who they're going to let
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Speaker 22: in their stores? And the real crux of this issue
42:45
Speaker 22: is that they're not just saying these are people who
42:47
Speaker 22: we know have stolen from us or been abusive to stuff.
42:51
Speaker 22: It's people they think or they suspect of behaving in
42:54
Speaker 22: this way, and you do wonder if there's going to
42:56
Speaker 22: be some sort of racial or profiling that may be
42:59
Speaker 22: going on where people are making assumptions on.
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Speaker 1: The basis of how people look.
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Speaker 22: Not only do we deserve to know what they're doing,
43:06
Speaker 22: but also I think the technology is not even good
43:09
Speaker 22: enough for them to be able to justify this kind
43:11
Speaker 22: of rollout.
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Speaker 2: Susie, I share your moral outrage and your interest in
43:15
Speaker 2: the substance of the topic, but you can't escape that
43:19
Speaker 2: fantastic did you share with us? I want to know
43:21
Speaker 2: the name of this woman. I want to see before
43:24
Speaker 2: and half the pictures. I want to hear all about it.
43:29
Speaker 22: It was actually just before her fiftieth birthday, and I
43:31
Speaker 22: will not name her, but she did go a little
43:33
Speaker 22: heavy on the boattop. I was like, my pone doesn't
43:37
Speaker 22: recognize me anymore.
43:39
Speaker 1: It's a very good phone. Then, Stephen, we've got to
43:41
Speaker 1: be aware of this now.
43:43
Speaker 2: I was thinking the other day when you read Brave
43:45
Speaker 2: New World or nineteen eighty four, they are so out
43:48
Speaker 2: of date now in technology has made the amount of
43:52
Speaker 2: surveillance and tracking of everything we do far more extreme
43:55
Speaker 2: than even aldous Huxley and George orwell imagined.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: Look, I'm not against the use of the technology in
44:03
Speaker 8: and of itself. It is the warning that's the issue,
44:05
Speaker 8: and telling people that they are subject to this. But
44:07
Speaker 8: when you see some of the video footage from CCTV
44:10
Speaker 8: cameras within these Bunning stores of the behavior of some
44:13
Speaker 8: of the customers, you can understand why they think they
44:16
Speaker 8: need to use this kind of technology not only protect
44:18
Speaker 8: their stuff, to protect other customers as well. And look,
44:21
Speaker 8: I subscribe to the theory if you've got nothing to hide,
44:23
Speaker 8: you've got nothing to lose. But look, I think it's
44:26
Speaker 8: just more a blunder than bad policy, so to speak,
44:29
Speaker 8: if you know what I mean.
44:30
Speaker 2: If only they could put the technology to good use,
44:32
Speaker 2: Like as you walk up to Bunnings, they present you
44:35
Speaker 2: with the sausages with sauce and mustard and no onions,
44:38
Speaker 2: just the way you like it, mister Kenny. Now I
44:40
Speaker 2: want to go to a serious soondle.
44:42
Speaker 1: On the bread not diagonal exactly.
44:45
Speaker 2: Now, there's been this amazing story when it comes to
44:48
Speaker 2: the end of year exams in Victoria.
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Speaker 1: Susie, you've been all over.
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Speaker 2: Let's just have a look at a Channel nine explainer
44:55
Speaker 2: of what went on with the answers being handed out
44:58
Speaker 2: with the exams.
45:00
Speaker 24: They're the education officials in damage control.
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Speaker 5: I apologize to all students impacted.
45:06
Speaker 24: As the class of twenty twenty four is served a
45:09
Speaker 24: harsh lesson in the stressful impact of human error.
45:13
Speaker 10: I will get to the bottom of what has occurred.
45:15
Speaker 24: That is how exam questions and case studies came to
45:18
Speaker 24: be published on the VCAA's website and a simple copy
45:22
Speaker 24: paste put them.
45:23
Speaker 1: In clear view.
45:24
Speaker 24: Last week's students were told not to worry because the
45:27
Speaker 24: real exams had been changed. Now the tune has changed,
45:31
Speaker 24: and that CEO has quit.
45:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, the CEO's gone, SUSI tell us what's going on here?
45:37
Speaker 2: And will people have to reset exams? This is an
45:40
Speaker 2: absolute mess.
45:42
Speaker 22: It is an absolute mess, and it's at the point
45:45
Speaker 22: now where people are I talk to a range of
45:47
Speaker 22: principles today, they're saying they don't have faith in the system.
45:51
Speaker 22: They can't imagine a way that they can.
45:53
Speaker 1: Make this right.
45:54
Speaker 22: What we know now is that questions from actual exams
45:59
Speaker 22: were leaked from fifty six out of one hundred and
46:01
Speaker 22: sixteen subjects were leaked online on the vca website. The
46:06
Speaker 22: authority that runs the exams. So it was a leak,
46:10
Speaker 22: it was a production eraror kids are very smart. They
46:13
Speaker 22: clicked and paste on it blank space. They had a
46:18
Speaker 22: week to access this information. They shared it around. They're
46:22
Speaker 22: very generous. They shared it around with each other. Before
46:25
Speaker 22: these cover sheets, these instruction booklets were pulled by the authority.
46:30
Speaker 22: The mistake was made. Then what they did wrong, in
46:34
Speaker 22: my view and a lot of people's view, is that
46:36
Speaker 22: they tried to cover up. They rewrote some of the exams.
46:39
Speaker 22: This is what the old boss was telling us. We've
46:42
Speaker 22: rewritten the exams. Nothing to see. But in a lot
46:45
Speaker 22: of cases they only changed the name of the person
46:48
Speaker 22: in the case study or the name of the business.
46:50
Speaker 22: Their rewriting was so clumsy that it was a massive
46:54
Speaker 22: advantage to kids who had been lucky enough to access
46:57
Speaker 22: this information. In some subjects, it was to half of
47:01
Speaker 22: the actual exam. So now the exams. We've still got
47:06
Speaker 22: one more day of exams. This has all happened in
47:08
Speaker 22: the middle of the exam period, and in about three
47:11
Speaker 22: weeks time, kids are going to get there, get their results,
47:14
Speaker 22: and they're saying they're going to be tainted one way
47:17
Speaker 22: or another.
47:18
Speaker 1: They will do.
47:19
Speaker 22: They don't have to sit exams, but recit exams. But
47:22
Speaker 22: the marks are all over the shop exactly.
47:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot to follow up there. Just a nightmare.
47:28
Speaker 2: I want to finish up on another nightmare. I've heard
47:30
Speaker 2: there's some film called Snakes in Planes. I've not seen
47:32
Speaker 2: that one, but how about this from Old Junie in
47:34
Speaker 2: the Riverina district of New South Wales.
47:37
Speaker 1: Snake in the Bedroom Not exactly.
47:40
Speaker 23: What you want to find in your baby's room when
47:42
Speaker 23: you come home.
47:43
Speaker 7: It's quite a long snake.
47:44
Speaker 3: We're going to try and get a catcher to come
47:46
Speaker 3: and relocate it, because yeah.
47:50
Speaker 2: I get very suspicious with these stories always. I think
47:53
Speaker 2: the snake handlers sometimes set them up. But you know
47:55
Speaker 2: what brown snakes are like.
47:56
Speaker 1: They'll get in anywhere and around the kids you do
47:59
Speaker 1: not want.
48:00
Speaker 2: I just got to leave you with that, Stephen and Susi,
48:02
Speaker 2: so you can sleep well tonight.
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Speaker 1: Catch you next week.
48:07
Speaker 2: Stephen Sen two Double Sea breakfast radio host in Canberra
48:10
Speaker 2: and Susie O'Brien Riku stuff in The Herald's Son in
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Speaker 2: Them in Melbourne and around the country online. Let's get
48:17
Speaker 2: some of your feedback from what I had to say
48:19
Speaker 2: last night about Lydia Thorpe and she being censored by
48:23
Speaker 2: the censured by the Senate. Of course, remember the question
48:26
Speaker 2: I kept posing, she kept posing, was what kind of
48:29
Speaker 2: a person do we think she is? Once guy News
48:32
Speaker 2: viewer said Lydia Thorpe is an activist, not a politician, worrying,
48:36
Speaker 2: that's being very generous. Another said that Sally said that
48:39
Speaker 2: Marine Feruki is defending Lydia Thorpe's free speech, but she
48:43
Speaker 2: didn't accept Pauline Hanson's.
48:45
Speaker 1: Yes, Pauline Hanson has been badly treated. I'll come back
48:48
Speaker 1: to that another night.
48:49
Speaker 2: Another viewer writes if anyone else acted this way in
48:52
Speaker 2: their job, they would be fired. And ain't that the truth?
48:56
Speaker 2: And finally Ed writes, what kind of a person? Well,
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Speaker 2: that's pretty self evident. Yeah, I think we had a
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Speaker 2: good crack at answering that question last night, didn't we.
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Speaker 1: I'll see tomorrow night. Here's Peter Kredlin