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'FEATURE, NOT A BUG': Dr Oz Exposes Massive Healthcare Grift · Tony Katz | Popcorn Moment

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  Speaker 2: Then grab your popcorn because there is more. And of course...
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  Speaker 2: We have been watching the fraud that takes place.
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  Speaker 1: We've seen the fraud against our country in Minneapolis, and
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  Speaker 1: then we've seen the hospice fraud going on in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 1: We don't assume that any state is immune. Right here
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  Speaker 1: in Indiana or anywhere else across the country is immune
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  Speaker 1: from the fraud. How are we going about it? What
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  Speaker 1: is it that the federal government can do? Are dollars
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  Speaker 1: getting cut off? Can dollars be returned? And We still
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  Speaker 1: have to ask ourselves, are we getting actual care where
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  Speaker 1: it needs to be?
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  Speaker 2: Not the conversation of care, but actual care.
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  Speaker 3: Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Mehmet Oz joins me right now.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, you know him as the administrator for Medicare
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  Speaker 1: and Medicaid services. And I know you've got some announcements
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  Speaker 1: that are coming.
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  Speaker 3: Up, sir.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time before we get to
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  Speaker 1: the announcements, which involve what's going on in the rural communities.
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  Speaker 1: Let's discuss what's going on in the fraud community. Where
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  Speaker 1: where are we on this in your approach to.
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  Speaker 2: It and cutting it out?
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  Speaker 3: We are doing much better. And for one big reason,
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  Speaker 3: it's sort of the same reason that we could within
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  Speaker 3: several months drop the number of illegal immigrants coming across
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  Speaker 3: the border by 90 percent. It wasn't that we needed
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  Speaker 3: to build a bigger wall or we needed congressional issues addressed.
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  Speaker 3: It was because the president of the United States told
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  Speaker 3: everybody we were going to do it. It's where the
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  Speaker 3: focus is, that's where the energy goes, and it's where
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  Speaker 3: it flows. And so in the fraud area, when the
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  Speaker 3: president announced to the State of the Union that we
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  Speaker 3: needed an all-of-government approach, we wanted Treasury running down forensic
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  Speaker 3: accounting so that if my agency, which is Medicare and Medicaid,
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  Speaker 3: provides clues, they can tell me where the bad guys
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  Speaker 3: are hiding the money overseas or... Todd Blanchard, the Department
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  Speaker 3: of Justice, pursues every lead, not just guns and drugs,
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  Speaker 3: but actually the fraud where it really, really hurts our
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  Speaker 3: country is often in health care because it's white collar fraud.
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  Speaker 3: These criminals have come in from other areas because during COVID,
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  Speaker 3: we taught them that you can get away with robbing
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  Speaker 3: the American people using our treasuries and piggy bank.
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  Speaker 2: And so we are all in now. I got the
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  Speaker 2: big news.
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  Speaker 3: Forty two billion dollars. We have not. over the last
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  Speaker 3: year from leaving our building, those are the kinds of
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  Speaker 3: numbers the American people need to hear. Because to put
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  Speaker 3: it in the context of how much it's going to
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  Speaker 3: cost you, if we can take the fraud out of Medicare,
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  Speaker 3: we can double the life expectancy of the Medicare trust fund.
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  Speaker 3: So all those folks who are working their tails off
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  Speaker 3: just trying to be able to make ends meet and
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  Speaker 3: they're just hoping the taxes they're paying in the Medicare
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  Speaker 3: result in them having a safety net when they're retiring
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  Speaker 3: at 65, I got news for you. We're going to
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  Speaker 3: double the life expectancy when we get this fraud out,
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  Speaker 3: and we are doing just that.
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  Speaker 2: When we take a look at it, I mean, the list, sir,
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  Speaker 2: is crazy long.
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles hospice issues, New York senior daycare issues, the
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  Speaker 1: funding of deferrals. You announced over a billion dollars in
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  Speaker 1: Medicaid funding to Minnesota and California.
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  Speaker 2: Being paused.
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  Speaker 1: Have the pauses led to exposing of the fraud or
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  Speaker 1: have the pauses led to these fraudsters saying.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they're not going to give me the money anymore.
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  Speaker 2: We won't even try again.
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  Speaker 3: You know what? You just asked the brightest question I
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  Speaker 3: could imagine. And I have not been asked that question.
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  Speaker 3: And you're right. That's the main reason we do the moratoriums,
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  Speaker 3: the reason we take these actions. We want to scare
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  Speaker 3: away the criminals. We know they're not going to disappear.
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  Speaker 3: These grifters went from drugs to gambling to crypto. They
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  Speaker 3: just find the latest fad. They have it. there. And
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  Speaker 3: when we do a moratorium like we did on durable
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  Speaker 3: medical equipment, which is the wheelchairs, catheters, those things, we
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  Speaker 3: have twice as many of those outfits in South Florida
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  Speaker 3: than McDonald's. They're run by the Cuban government. When we
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  Speaker 3: put a moratorium, we drained a billion and a half
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  Speaker 3: dollars out of that sector. The criminals decided that's not
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  Speaker 3: a good place for me to be. I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: go somewhere else and grift. You mentioned California. We have
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  Speaker 3: one third of all the hospices taking care of people
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  Speaker 3: as they pass into the other world. One third of
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  Speaker 3: all the hospices in the whole country are in Los Angeles,
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  Speaker 3: not California, LA. How many people are dying there? So
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  Speaker 3: we shut down about half of these settings and no
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  Speaker 3: one's complaining. They know we caught them. They just run
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  Speaker 3: off and try to go. And by the way, they're
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  Speaker 3: opening hospices in Nevada and Arizona and Texas. So that's
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  Speaker 3: why we made a national moratorium now, so they can't
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  Speaker 3: run to the next state and get away with it.
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  Speaker 3: Those are the kinds of broad actions that the Vice
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  Speaker 3: President has had at the White House Anti-Fraud Task Force
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  Speaker 3: and has been able to get us to pass throughout
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  Speaker 3: the entire nation. And these actions work because it sends
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  Speaker 3: a very clear signal, a shot across the bow. If
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  Speaker 3: you want to rob the American people, don't do it
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  Speaker 3: in health care. Go find someone to steal from the IRS.
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  Speaker 3: You know, go after Social Security benefits. But do not
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  Speaker 3: walk into my building because there's a.
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  Speaker 2: New sheriff in town. I think you're going to catch
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  Speaker 2: heat from saying go after the IRS. I'll let Scott
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  Speaker 2: Besson go at you on that. Talking to Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Mehmet Oz, administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid.
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  Speaker 2: Services, you brought up the right point.
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  Speaker 1: And the question that people are asking once you get
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  Speaker 1: over the idea or are able to digest the idea
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  Speaker 1: of all this fraud, which is, are these states, Minnesota, California,
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  Speaker 1: my beloved Indiana, any state, are the states engaged in
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  Speaker 1: complicity with the fraud?
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  Speaker 3: I fear that that is happening, and I'll tell you why.
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  Speaker 3: And just put yourself in the position of a governor
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  Speaker 3: like the governor of California or New York. Is fraud
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  Speaker 3: really a flaw or is it a feature of the system?
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  Speaker 3: Let me explain. We have the most common job now
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  Speaker 3: in both those states is a personal care service attendant
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  Speaker 3: where your kids carry the groceries upstairs for you and
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  Speaker 3: get paid for it. Now, if you're the governor and
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  Speaker 3: those kids are unemployed, you've got to pay them benefits.
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  Speaker 3: If you can get them on the Medicaid payroll for
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  Speaker 3: the federal government, in New York they call it medicating it,
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  Speaker 3: you literally get these people off your problem, off your dime,
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  Speaker 3: onto the federal payroll, and now you're collecting taxes from
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  Speaker 3: the money they're getting paid. And here's where this jobs
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  Speaker 3: program causes an even bigger issue. The unions get involved,
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  Speaker 3: and they are. They're unionizing in California and New York.
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  Speaker 3: So now all of a sudden, federal dollars are going
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  Speaker 3: to union coffers, where they then pass it back to
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  Speaker 3: political action committees, and they fund their candidates, which tend
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  Speaker 3: to be from one party. And that is political patronage.
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  Speaker 3: So if you're a governor... You might think this is
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  Speaker 3: a pretty good idea, which is why I think some
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  Speaker 3: states were so interested.
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  Speaker 2: In clamping down.
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  Speaker 3: And even with our deferrals of money, you pointed out
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  Speaker 3: now billions of dollars not being paid because we can't
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  Speaker 3: justify that the bills are correct. Even now, we're still
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  Speaker 3: struggling to get some of these states to cooperate. But
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  Speaker 3: I think there's across the board an understanding that governors
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  Speaker 3: have a responsibility. Now, you happen to have a kick-ass
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  Speaker 3: governor in Indiana. I'm actually in Indiana today with the
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  Speaker 3: announcements we'll get to in a second. And I went
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  Speaker 3: to visit Mike Braun a year ago. And he appreciates
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  Speaker 3: that there's a major problem in Indiana with autism care,
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  Speaker 3: which I'm sure you've covered. And this is a problem
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  Speaker 3: because most autism in America is now private equity owned.
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  Speaker 3: And they know how to game the system. It's not illegal.
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  Speaker 3: They're just taking advantage of the system and trying to
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  Speaker 3: do as much as they can with the therapies that
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  Speaker 3: they think they can defend. And they charge a lot
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  Speaker 3: of money for these therapies. And they provide more hours
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  Speaker 3: than probably the kids could possibly use. So it's generated
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  Speaker 3: in Indiana a massive problem. with what's called ABA therapy,
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  Speaker 3: which is the autism therapy. So we're cracking down on that.
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  Speaker 3: And states like Indiana say, oh, my gosh, I didn't
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  Speaker 3: realize it. We're all over it now because they don't
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  Speaker 3: want to spend tax dollars because Indiana has to pay
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  Speaker 3: in as well as the federal government. You'd rather spend
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  Speaker 3: your money on better educational programs. Talking to Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Mehmet Oz.
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  Speaker 1: He is the administrator of the Centers for Medicare and
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  Speaker 1: Medicaid Services.
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  Speaker 2: And just to.
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  Speaker 1: The point of fraud or feature, it's something we've discussed
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  Speaker 1: many times on the show. When you elect bad people,
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  Speaker 1: when you elect people who don't. view the United States
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  Speaker 1: as many of us do, you realize that the socialism
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  Speaker 1: is not a bug.
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  Speaker 2: It is a feature.
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  Speaker 1: And the bad things that come about from it is
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  Speaker 1: indeed a feature. But let's move into this announcement that
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  Speaker 1: you're making. And yes, we have seen fraud with autism
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  Speaker 1: and autism centers here in the state of Indiana.
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  Speaker 2: You've got the notification that money is.
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  Speaker 1: Coming to the state of Indiana and coming to rural areas.
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  Speaker 1: through something called the RHTP, the Rural Health Transformation Program. Now,
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  Speaker 1: you've got Indiana in your sights for today, but this
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  Speaker 1: is something expanding everywhere. Is this about providing actual care,
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  Speaker 1: or is this about providing the ability to find the
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  Speaker 1: care wherever.
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  Speaker 2: It may be? Are you going to the people, or
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  Speaker 2: are you helping the people come to where the care is?
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  Speaker 3: It's both, and it depends on what the state needs.
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  Speaker 3: Alaska has very different needs than Indiana. And so we
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  Speaker 3: want the governors to have the money and to use
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  Speaker 3: it with their teams to figure out the best way
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  Speaker 3: of improving the quality of care. Let's get the bigger issue.
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  Speaker 3: Rural America has a life expectancy that's almost three years
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  Speaker 3: shorter than than urban America. Your zip code should not
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  Speaker 3: dictate your destiny. We all deserve to get access to care.
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  Speaker 3: And so the president and Congress decided to put $ 50
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  Speaker 3: billion into rural healthcare. To give it to governors, that's
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  Speaker 3: $ 50 billion over five years. So every state Like Indiana
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  Speaker 3: competed for the money. Indiana did very well. You're getting
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  Speaker 3: $ 207 million a year for the next five years. $ 120
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  Speaker 3: million of that today ships out with Governor Braun saying
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  Speaker 3: where it's going to go. So we gave the money
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  Speaker 3: after the high-quality grant application for Indiana at the new year.
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  Speaker 3: Now Indiana is able to pass it out. All the
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  Speaker 3: money is going to be out by October. You're spending
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  Speaker 3: money on the 2 million folks in Indiana, out of
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  Speaker 3: the 7 million total, who live in rural parts of
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  Speaker 3: the state. And these are very clever ways of allocating money. Telemedicine,
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  Speaker 3: getting big hospitals to work closely with small clinics, making
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  Speaker 3: sure that if folks need to have access to care,
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  Speaker 3: you can focus on their issues and get them to
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  Speaker 3: the highest quality doctors. Either in person, bring them there,
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  Speaker 3: or you meet them where they are, often in pharmacies,
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  Speaker 3: for example. There's also very thoughtful ways to that we
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  Speaker 3: can help with obstetrics and pediatric care, which are two
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  Speaker 3: areas where we're really concerned in Indiana. So the state
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  Speaker 3: decided how to allocate the money. But again, high level,
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  Speaker 3: we're putting $ 200- plus million a year into Indiana every year
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  Speaker 3: for five years. You don't put that kind of money, 50%
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  Speaker 3: more than we've ever spent in Indiana for Medicaid, by
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  Speaker 3: just hoping it works. You don't just pay bills with
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  Speaker 3: that money. You transform the system.
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  Speaker 2: Now- I want to see better results.
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  Speaker 1: But this is where we get into the argument where
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  Speaker 1: people will talk about we need the Bernie Sanders of
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  Speaker 1: the world, right? We need free health care. We need
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  Speaker 1: universal health care. Well, there's a big difference between claiming
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  Speaker 1: health care and actual care. So the question on this
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  Speaker 1: is we're now putting this money in this this larger
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  Speaker 1: amount of money. Where does one see the result of
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  Speaker 1: the care? How does it practically get applied?
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  Speaker 2: So I'll give you very concrete examples.
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  Speaker 3: In Indiana, there's now going to be a statewide 24-7
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  Speaker 3: medical operations coordination program if you have an emergency. So
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  Speaker 3: it's going to be a very quick way. In fact,
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  Speaker 3: if you need local resources from now on, you can
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  Speaker 3: use the Indiana program that already exists. You dial 2-1-1,
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  Speaker 3: and they will connect local residents from rural residents to
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  Speaker 3: local resources so they can find out what's actually near
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  Speaker 3: them and available to them. And when we have gaps,
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  Speaker 3: Indiana is telling the bigger institutions to adopt these smaller
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  Speaker 3: clinics to help them get better at taking care of
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  Speaker 3: kids and children, et cetera. And there's about 450 rural
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  Speaker 3: health care facilities in the state. They're all being connected
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  Speaker 3: now to the information system because what ends up happening
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  Speaker 3: is the big hospitals do better because they have high-quality
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  Speaker 3: information technology, newest devices, the best ideas for cancer care,
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  Speaker 3: et cetera. That wisdom should pass freely, seamlessly to the
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  Speaker 3: smaller clinics. You shouldn't have to travel to Indianapolis to
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  Speaker 3: get basic care for a metabolic problem.
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  Speaker 2: You ought to get it close to home.
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  Speaker 3: When you do that, you also help the local institutions
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  Speaker 3: stay viable so you don't have to have hospitals closed
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  Speaker 3: down because they can't make ends meet. By getting all
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  Speaker 3: this together, and think about purchasing. If you buy your
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  Speaker 3: stuff on your own with a small little clinic, you
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  Speaker 3: pay a lot. If you buy your medications as part
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  Speaker 3: of a large consortium with all the hospitals in Indiana,
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  Speaker 3: you get group purchasing pricing. These kinds of things let
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  Speaker 3: the dollar stretch further, and then you can measure outcomes.
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  Speaker 3: Do we change the stat that I just gave you?
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  Speaker 3: Will rural folks in America, Indiana in particular, live the
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  Speaker 3: same duration of joyful life so they can watch their
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  Speaker 3: kids down the aisle as folks in urban America?
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  Speaker 2: That means success.
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  Speaker 3: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Mehmet Oz, I appreciate you taking the time. I'm glad
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  Speaker 1: you're in Indiana. You know, our sandwich here, the official
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  Speaker 1: state sandwich, is the breaded tenderloin, the pork tenderloin. Just
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  Speaker 1: don't tell Secretary Kennedy you're having one.
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  Speaker 2: Just enjoy.
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  Speaker 3: I agree. Actually, Secretary Kennedy ordered one for me. We
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  Speaker 3: had them last time we were there. So should I
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  Speaker 3: get a medium rare or just the way they normally
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  Speaker 3: do it?
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  Speaker 1: I don't I believe it should be fried, sir. Like
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  Speaker 1: like anything that is good in American. And don't worry
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  Speaker 1: about don't worry about the rest. Just just don't tell.
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  Speaker 2: Him you had a kale sandwich and he'll be he'll
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  Speaker 2: smile at you. And that's it. Dr. Oz, I appreciate
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  Speaker 2: you taking the time, sir. Let us talk again.
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  Speaker 1: Paul, we'll get to traffic in a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Tony Katz, 93 WIBC. Good morning.