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- 0:03Speaker 1: On January fourteenth, twenty nineteen, a woman named Megan Morgan
- 0:09Speaker 1: was walking her dog, Copper, along a trail east of Delwood,
- 0:12Speaker 1: when he stopped and refused to move. Forty feet into
- 0:16Speaker 1: the frozen underbrush. Half buried under a crust of ice,
- 0:20Speaker 1: sat a fire resistant safe, no drag marks, no tire tracks.
- 0:26Speaker 1: The ground had been frozen solid since January third. The
- 0:30Speaker 1: safe weighed sixty one pounds empty, inside a marriage certificate,
- 0:35Speaker 1: a deed of renunciation, bank statements showing ninety four thousand
- 0:40Speaker 1: dollars in debt, and a woman's driver's license. The woman's
- 0:45Speaker 1: name was Rebecca Meyer, and Rebecca Meyer was at that
- 0:49Speaker 1: exact moment lying in a bed at Dellwood, extended care, sedated, isolated,
- 0:55Speaker 1: and listed under a man named Stephen Stroud as her
- 0:59Speaker 1: soul of emergency contact. What had been done to Rebecca
- 1:03Speaker 1: was not sudden. It did not happen in a single
- 1:06Speaker 1: violent moment. It happened over twenty two months, one carefully
- 1:10Speaker 1: engineered decision at a time, and the man who engineered
- 1:14Speaker 1: it had six days before that safe was found, driven
- 1:18Speaker 1: away from Delwood without looking back. This is the story
- 1:21Speaker 1: of how one person dismantled another person's reality, and how
- 1:25Speaker 1: a sixty one pound box thrown into the dark became
- 1:29Speaker 1: the thing that gave it all back. Rebecca Meyer was
- 1:33Speaker 1: thirty one years old in the spring of twenty seventeen.
- 1:37Speaker 1: She worked as account's coordinator at Vantage Press, a mid
- 1:40Speaker 1: sized publishing services company in Delwood County. She was the
- 1:44Speaker 1: kind of person who kept a color coded calendar, returned
- 1:48Speaker 1: calls the same day, and remembered her coworker's birthdays without
- 1:51Speaker 1: being prompted. She had bought her house on Callaway Street herself,
- 1:56Speaker 1: that matters. The down payment came from a combination of
- 1:59Speaker 1: an heritance and years of careful saving money that belonged
- 2:04Speaker 1: entirely to her, accumulated entirely before she met Stephen Stroud.
- 2:09Speaker 1: It was a small house, but it was hers in
- 2:11Speaker 1: every legal and personal sense of that word. Her best
- 2:15Speaker 1: friend was a woman named Cheryl Novak, and the two
- 2:19Speaker 1: had been close since their early twenties. Cheryl would later
- 2:22Speaker 1: describe Rebecca as someone who made everything look easy, organized, warm,
- 2:27Speaker 1: reliable to the point where you almost forgot she was
- 2:31Speaker 1: also carrying her own weight. Rebecca's mother, Ida, lived in Columbus.
- 2:37Speaker 1: She came to visit a few times a year. By
- 2:39Speaker 1: every account, Rebecca was grounded, independent and quietly content with
- 2:44Speaker 1: the life she had built. There was one place that
- 2:47Speaker 1: anchored her routine above everything else, a corner booth at
- 2:51Speaker 1: a diner called Pattens. Every Thursday, without fail she sat
- 2:56Speaker 1: in the same seat. The waitress, a woman named Diana Oqefort,
- 3:01Speaker 1: had reserved that table for her for three years without
- 3:04Speaker 1: being asked. That is the kind of regular Rebecca was.
- 3:08Speaker 1: Diane noticed when Rebecca stopped coming. She would notice again
- 3:13Speaker 1: later when Rebecca came back. In March of two thousand seventeen,
- 3:17Speaker 1: a man named Stephen Stroud arrived at Vantage Press on
- 3:21Speaker 1: a freelance consulting contract. The contract was scheduled to last
- 3:26Speaker 1: eight weeks. He stayed for fourteen weeks. He was forty
- 3:29Speaker 1: four years old, confident in a way that read as competence,
- 3:33Speaker 1: and he had a particular skill that would only become
- 3:36Speaker 1: clear much later. He was exceptionally good at becoming exactly
- 3:40Speaker 1: what a room needed him to be. Rebecca and Stroud
- 3:44Speaker 1: began a relationship sometime during those fourteen weeks. The speed
- 3:48Speaker 1: of what followed was striking in hindsight, though it did
- 3:52Speaker 1: not appear alarming. At the time. By August of two
- 3:55Speaker 1: thousand seventeen, five months after they met, he had proposed.
- 4:00Speaker 1: By November they were married. Idemeyer met Stroud twice before
- 4:04Speaker 1: the wedding. She would later say she found him charming
- 4:07Speaker 1: in a way she could not fully articulate, which is
- 4:10Speaker 1: not the same thing as trusting him. Cheryl Novak tried
- 4:13Speaker 1: to say something before the wedding. She had concerns she
- 4:17Speaker 1: could not precisely name, a feeling that things were moving
- 4:20Speaker 1: too fast, that Rebecca seemed different in ways that were
- 4:24Speaker 1: hard to pin down. Rebecca stopped that conversation before it
- 4:27Speaker 1: could begin. That moment, small and easy to dismiss, would
- 4:32Speaker 1: sit with Cheryl for a long time. What no one
- 4:35Speaker 1: knew in November of two thousand seventeen was that Stephen
- 4:39Speaker 1: Stroud had done something like this before. In Putnam County
- 4:43Speaker 1: in two thousand fifteen, a woman whose name was Susan
- 4:46Speaker 1: Lynde had experienced a pattern that investigators would later describe
- 4:51Speaker 1: as methodologically identical. The man connected to that case matched
- 4:55Speaker 1: Stroud's description. No charges were ever filed the statute of
- 5:00Speaker 1: limitations had run out. Stroud was already a month into
- 5:03Speaker 1: the marriage when he made his first financial pot off.
- 5:07Speaker 1: December of twenty seventeen, Rebecca's direct deposit was quietly redirected
- 5:12Speaker 1: to a joint account at a bank in Granville. Rebecca
- 5:15Speaker 1: did not open that account, She did not choose that bank.
- 5:20Speaker 1: She did not know it had happened. The money moved
- 5:23Speaker 1: in silence for months from December of twenty seventeen onward.
- 5:27Speaker 1: Every paycheck Rebecca earned advantage press landed in a joint
- 5:31Speaker 1: account she had not chosen at a bank she had
- 5:34Speaker 1: never visited. Stroud controlled that account. Rebecca could see the
- 5:38Speaker 1: deposits on her paystubs. What she could not see was
- 5:42Speaker 1: where the money went after it arrived. Between January and
- 5:46Speaker 1: February of twenty eighteen, twenty two thousand dollars disappeared from
- 5:51Speaker 1: her personal savings, not in one transfer, in pieces small
- 5:56Speaker 1: enough and spread across enough days that the pattern only
- 6:00Speaker 1: became visible to a forensic investigator looking backward from a spreadsheet.
- 6:05Speaker 1: At the time, each transaction would have looked like a
- 6:08Speaker 1: routine movement of shared household funds. That was the design.
- 6:13Speaker 1: By February of twenty eighteen, Rebecca had an appointment with
- 6:17Speaker 1: her primary care physician, doctor Holloway, Stroud had called the
- 6:21Speaker 1: office twice before that appointment. He did not call to
- 6:24Speaker 1: ask questions. He called to provide context, to describe a
- 6:29Speaker 1: wife who was struggling with anxiety, who was having trouble
- 6:32Speaker 1: managing daily tasks, who might benefit from medication to take
- 6:36Speaker 1: the edge off. Doctor Holloway was not acting improperly when
- 6:40Speaker 1: he listened. He had no reason to doubt what he
- 6:43Speaker 1: was hearing. At the appointment, Rebecca received a prescription for
- 6:47Speaker 1: an anxiolytic. Here is what the phone records would later show.
- 6:51Speaker 1: Stroud made both calls from his personal cell the time
- 6:54Speaker 1: Stamps placed them on weekday mornings, when Rebecca was at work.
- 6:59Speaker 1: She did not know he had called. The prescription became
- 7:03Speaker 1: part of the architecture. Stroud managed the dosage schedule. He
- 7:08Speaker 1: was helpful that way, attentive organized, the kind of partner
- 7:12Speaker 1: who kept track of things. By spring of twenty eighteen,
- 7:16Speaker 1: Rebecca was sleeping twelve to fourteen hours a day. She
- 7:20Speaker 1: described feeling foggy in ways she could not explain. When
- 7:24Speaker 1: she raised it, the explanation was always the same. She
- 7:28Speaker 1: was more anxious than she realized. The medication was doing
- 7:31Speaker 1: its job, and perhaps she was misremembering things again. That
- 7:36Speaker 1: phrase misremembering again appeared more than once. In September of
- 7:40Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, Stroud called doctor Holloway's office a third time.
- 7:46Speaker 1: This call increased Rebecca's dosage. Rebecca did not make that call.
- 7:51Speaker 1: She was not present for it. She learned of the
- 7:53Speaker 1: new dosage when Stroud placed a different pill bottle on
- 7:56Speaker 1: the counter three days later and told her the doctor
- 8:00Speaker 1: had made an adjustment. Three days after that call, three
- 8:03Speaker 1: days after the dosage doubled, Rebecca Meyer signed a quit
- 8:07Speaker 1: claim deed relinquishing her ownership of the house on Callaway Street.
- 8:11Speaker 1: Francis Gilkey was the notary on duty at the UPS
- 8:15Speaker 1: store on the east side of Delwood that afternoon. She
- 8:18Speaker 1: would later testify that Rebecca was quiet. She sat where
- 8:22Speaker 1: Stroud directed her to sit. She signed where Stroud pointed
- 8:26Speaker 1: Guilkey had no legal basis to refuse. A notary confirms
- 8:31Speaker 1: identity and witness, she is not enpowered to assess comprehension.
- 8:35Speaker 1: She notarized the document. Stroud walked out, holding the deed
- 8:39Speaker 1: to a house he had not paid for, the house
- 8:41Speaker 1: Rebecca had bought with her own inheritance before she ever
- 8:45Speaker 1: met him. By December of twenty eighteen. The full picture
- 8:50Speaker 1: looked like this, no personal savings, no equity in her home,
- 8:55Speaker 1: approximately ninety four thousand dollars in debt, and a woman
- 8:58Speaker 1: sleeping through most of her daylight hours, isolated from the
- 9:02Speaker 1: people who knew her best. Cheryl Novak had tried calling
- 9:07Speaker 1: Rebecca did not answer the way she used to. The
- 9:10Speaker 1: Thursday table at Pattens sat empty. On January eighth, twenty nineteen,
- 9:16Speaker 1: Stephen Stroud drove Rebecca Meyer to Delwood Extended Care. He
- 9:20Speaker 1: presented himself at the front desk as her emergency contact
- 9:24Speaker 1: and her primary decision maker. He cried in front of
- 9:28Speaker 1: the staff. The staff remembered that he seemed devastated, concerned,
- 9:34Speaker 1: a husband at his limit doing the difficult thing because
- 9:37Speaker 1: he loved his wife and could no longer manage alone.
- 9:40Speaker 1: He left her there and drove away. Six days later,
- 9:43Speaker 1: on January fourteenth, Megan Morgan was walking her dog, Copper,
- 9:48Speaker 1: along the path east of Delwood when Copper pulled hard
- 9:52Speaker 1: off the trail and into the brush. Forty feet into
- 9:55Speaker 1: the undergrowth on ground that had been frozen since January third,
- 10:00Speaker 1: Meghan found a safe, not buried, not hidden by debris,
- 10:05Speaker 1: just placed there in frozen earth in the dark tangle
- 10:09Speaker 1: of winter brush off a public walking path. The safe
- 10:13Speaker 1: weighed sixty one pounds empty. There were no drag marks
- 10:17Speaker 1: in the frozen soil, no tire tracks at the trailhead,
- 10:21Speaker 1: no indication of how something that heavy had traveled forty
- 10:24Speaker 1: feet from dense, uneven terrain in the dark, because this
- 10:28Speaker 1: was not a move made in daylight. What that safe
- 10:32Speaker 1: held was the question that pulled everything else open inside
- 10:37Speaker 1: a marriage certificate, a quit claim deed, bank statements, mapping
- 10:41Speaker 1: ninety four thousand dollars in debt, and Rebecca Meyer's driver's license,
- 10:46Speaker 1: everything Stroud needed to dismantle a life, everything he had
- 10:51Speaker 1: failed to destroy. There is a detail in the forensic
- 10:54Speaker 1: case report that lands differently once you know the full timeline.
- 10:58Speaker 1: The safe's combination was Rebecca's birthday. Stroud had tried to
- 11:02Speaker 1: open it. He could not. That is why it ended
- 11:05Speaker 1: up in the brush instead of an incinerator, because the
- 11:08Speaker 1: one thing he could not predict was that she would
- 11:11Speaker 1: have chosen a number he did not know. Eight days
- 11:15Speaker 1: after the safe was found, on January twenty second, law
- 11:19Speaker 1: enforcement arrested Stephen Stroud at a motel in Zanesville, Ohio,
- 11:24Speaker 1: in his possession two prepaid debit cards, a laptop, and
- 11:29Speaker 1: a passport belonging to a woman who was not Rebecca Meyer.
- 11:33Speaker 1: He had already built the next move. Consider what the
- 11:36Speaker 1: evidence actually required a jury to believe if Stroud's version
- 11:40Speaker 1: of events held. Picture the UPS store on a Tuesday
- 11:44Speaker 1: afternoon in September, Francis Gilkey at her station, Rebecca Meyer
- 11:49Speaker 1: across the counter, Stephen Stroud beside her. In Stroud's version,
- 11:53Speaker 1: this is a consensual transaction, a wife choosing to transfer property,
- 11:58Speaker 1: understanding the document in front of her, signing of her
- 12:01Speaker 1: own free will walk. That version against what Guilkey observed.
- 12:06Speaker 1: Rebecca did not ask questions, she did not read the document.
- 12:10Speaker 1: She sat where she was placed and signed where she
- 12:12Speaker 1: was shown. Gilkey had seen people sign things before. This
- 12:17Speaker 1: did not look like a choice. It looked like someone
- 12:20Speaker 1: following instructions in a room where the instructions were given
- 12:24Speaker 1: by someone else. But that version already has a problem
- 12:29Speaker 1: before you even reached the notary's testimony, the ip logs
- 12:33Speaker 1: showed that the online account changes, the ones that redirected
- 12:37Speaker 1: Rebecca's income, shifted her savings restructured. Her debt were made
- 12:42Speaker 1: from Stroud's personal laptop, not from a shared device, his machine,
- 12:48Speaker 1: his session, his time stamps. When those logs were set
- 12:52Speaker 1: against Rebecca's work schedule, the picture clarified further. Nearly every
- 12:57Speaker 1: significant financial change occurred during hours when she was at
- 13:01Speaker 1: Vantage Press and he was, by his own account, working
- 13:05Speaker 1: from home. Then there were the phone records, two calls
- 13:09Speaker 1: to doctor Holloway's office before the February appointment, one call
- 13:13Speaker 1: before the September dosage increase, all from Stroud's cell, all
- 13:18Speaker 1: during business hours, none of them disclosed to Rebecca. The
- 13:23Speaker 1: prosecution's case was not that doctor Holloway had done something wrong.
- 13:27Speaker 1: He had not, and the record is unambiguous on that point.
- 13:31Speaker 1: The case was that Stroud had used a trusted medical
- 13:35Speaker 1: relationship as an instrument. He had spoken first, framed the
- 13:39Speaker 1: narrative first, and left the physician with a portrait of
- 13:42Speaker 1: a patient that served Stroud's purposes. And here is the
- 13:46Speaker 1: thing that recontextualizes the entire first year of the marriage.
- 13:50Speaker 1: The safe Throughout the nine months of pre trial motions,
- 13:54Speaker 1: Stroud's position was that the financial moves were joint decisions
- 13:59Speaker 1: that Rebecca had been a willing participant, that her current
- 14:02Speaker 1: state was the result of genuine illness rather than manufactured dependency.
- 14:08Speaker 1: That argument required the jury to believe that Rebecca had
- 14:11Speaker 1: agreed to all of it. The account transfers, the deed,
- 14:16Speaker 1: the debt, but Rebecca's birthday was the combination to that safe.
- 14:20Speaker 1: Stroud knew her well enough to build a cage around
- 14:24Speaker 1: her life, one document at a time, He did not
- 14:27Speaker 1: know her well enough to open the box she had
- 14:30Speaker 1: locked herself. He moved it forty feet into frozen brush
- 14:34Speaker 1: rather than destroy it because he could not get inside
- 14:37Speaker 1: it and everything he could not destroy, the marriage certificate,
- 14:41Speaker 1: the deed, the statements, her license was still there when
- 14:45Speaker 1: Copper pulled Megan Morgan off the path on a January morning.
- 14:49Speaker 1: The jury did not have to reach a verdict. On
- 14:52Speaker 1: the third day of testimony in October of twenty nineteen
- 14:55Speaker 1: at the Dellwood County Common please Court, Stephen Stroud confessed
- 15:00Speaker 1: not before, not during the nine months of pre trial motions,
- 15:04Speaker 1: when his attorney argued that Rebecca had been a willing
- 15:08Speaker 1: participant in every financial decision, not at arraignment, when he
- 15:12Speaker 1: stood before the court in Zanesville and denied everything not
- 15:16Speaker 1: through fourteen rounds of preliminary hearings. He held the position
- 15:20Speaker 1: until Kenneth Patterson finished presenting the evidence, and then he
- 15:24Speaker 1: let it go. The trigger was not a single piece
- 15:27Speaker 1: of testimony. It was the convergence Patterson had laid out
- 15:31Speaker 1: the phone records, two calls to doctor Holloway's office before
- 15:35Speaker 1: the February two thousand eighteen appointment, one call before the
- 15:40Speaker 1: September dosage increase, all from Stroud's personal cell, all during
- 15:45Speaker 1: business hours, none disclosed to Rebecca. Then Francis Gilkey took
- 15:50Speaker 1: the stand and described what she had witnessed at the
- 15:52Speaker 1: UPS store on the east side of Dellwood in September
- 15:56Speaker 1: of two thousand eighteen. Rebecca Quiet quiet, signing where she
- 16:01Speaker 1: was told. Then came the IP logs showing that the
- 16:04Speaker 1: changes to the direct deposit and the account structure had
- 16:08Speaker 1: been made from Stroud's personal laptop. Then the full forensic
- 16:11Speaker 1: financial time line twenty two thousand dollars in personal savings
- 16:16Speaker 1: gone between January and February of two thousand eighteen, ninety
- 16:20Speaker 1: four thousand dollars in accumulated debt by December, and a
- 16:24Speaker 1: deed that had transferred ownership of a house Rebecca bought
- 16:27Speaker 1: with her own inheritance before she ever met Stephen Stroud.
- 16:31Speaker 1: The jury never deliberated eight counts, four counts of financial
- 16:36Speaker 1: exploitation of an adult, three counts of identity fraud, and
- 16:40Speaker 1: one count of unlawful restraint. Fourteen years when the sentence
- 16:44Speaker 1: came down at the Delwood County Common Police Court, Susan
- 16:48Speaker 1: Lynde was in the gallery. She had driven from Putnam County.
- 16:52Speaker 1: She had gone through an identical pattern in two thousand fifteen,
- 16:56Speaker 1: the same methodical isolation, the same financial des dismantling, the
- 17:01Speaker 1: same manufactured dispendency with a man whose description matched Stroud.
- 17:06Speaker 1: No charges were ever filed in Putnam County. The statute
- 17:10Speaker 1: of limitations had expired. Lynde sat in the gallery and
- 17:14Speaker 1: cried when she heard the verdict. Detective Chris Fogerty of
- 17:17Speaker 1: Putnam County contacted the Delwood County Prosecutor's office three months
- 17:22Speaker 1: after the conviction. The methodology he described from the twenty
- 17:26Speaker 1: fifteen case was, according to that contact, nearly indistinguishable. The
- 17:32Speaker 1: house on Calloway Street was returned to Rebecca by court
- 17:35Speaker 1: order as part of the criminal restitution. She had bought it.
- 17:39Speaker 1: With her inheritance and her savings. Before Stroud ever walked
- 17:42Speaker 1: through the door of Vantage Press. She got it back.
- 17:46Speaker 1: The financial recovery, according to Patterson's own account of the case,
- 17:50Speaker 1: remains incomplete. Rebecca Meyer was discharged from Delwood Extended Care
- 17:56Speaker 1: in February of twenty nineteen, three weeks after Megan Morgan's
- 18:01Speaker 1: dog pulled her off a frozen path toward a box
- 18:04Speaker 1: that should not have been there. She went back to
- 18:07Speaker 1: Vantage Press in the spring. Diane okafor the server at Patten's,
- 18:11Speaker 1: had kept the corner table reserved every Thursday for three
- 18:15Speaker 1: years without being asked. She did not stop when Rebecca
- 18:19Speaker 1: was admitted to the facility. She did not stop when
- 18:22Speaker 1: the case was still open. The table was there when
- 18:24Speaker 1: Rebecca came back. Cheryl Novak, who had tried to say
- 18:28Speaker 1: something before the wedding and had been shut down before
- 18:31Speaker 1: she could finish her sentence, started going with her every Thursday.
- 18:35Speaker 1: There is something in this case that stays with you
- 18:38Speaker 1: long after the verdict. Not the confession. Confessions are in
- 18:42Speaker 1: some sense an ending. What stays is the architecture of it.
- 18:47Speaker 1: Stroud spent almost two years building a version of Rebecca
- 18:52Speaker 1: that could not contradict him. Medically documented as unreliable, financially dependent,
- 18:58Speaker 1: socially isolated, and legally stripped of her own property. He
- 19:02Speaker 1: did it with phone calls and paperwork and a borrowed
- 19:05Speaker 1: medical diagnosis, quietly inside the ordinary machinery of a marriage
- 19:11Speaker 1: and a health care system and a notaries stamp. Francis
- 19:14Speaker 1: Gilkey had no legal reason to stop the signing. Doctor
- 19:18Speaker 1: Holloway had no reason to doubt the framing he was given.
- 19:21Speaker 1: Every institution that touched Rebecca's life in that period was
- 19:25Speaker 1: given a version of her that Stroud had written first.
- 19:28Speaker 1: The safe held because Rebecca had locked it herself. The
- 19:32Speaker 1: combination was her birthday. Stroud knew enough about her to
- 19:35Speaker 1: systematically dismantle her life. He did not know that number.
- 19:39Speaker 1: That detail is not a small thing. It is the
- 19:42Speaker 1: entire story in a single object. Everything he had taken
- 19:46Speaker 1: was documented inside a box he could not open, and
- 19:50Speaker 1: when he carried it forty feet into frozen brush, rather
- 19:53Speaker 1: than burning what he could not access, he left behind
- 19:57Speaker 1: the only complete record of what he had done. The
- 20:00Speaker 1: corner table at Patten's is reserved every Thursday. Rebecca Meyer
- 20:04Speaker 1: is still at it. This show is made by Obo media,